Conversation with ex illuminati Ronald Bernard and Sacha Stone

Roland Bernard. It's delightful to be with you here in Amsterdam.

 

You're welcome. I'm very happy you are taking this trip this heavy trip. Heavy trip.

 

Indeed, we had some extraordinary forces appear to be trying to prevent this meeting. But look what a beautiful day it is. And how wonderful to look you in the eyes?

 

Yes. Yes. It's very nice to meet you too. 

 

You know, Illuminati. This is the great trigger word. Everyone is fascinated by this idea. 

 

Yeah. 

 

And people like you have experienced firsthand the reality of this high Echelon, this Babylonian priesthood that operates from behind the curtain and controls the destiny and the fate of humanity. It's a reality for you. It's not a it's not a joke. Let's talk about Illuminati for a second. Do you believe that the 8,500 Illuminati members have some connection to the sealed indictments in Washington?

 

I don't have a crystal ball. But for sure, for sure. The 8,000 and eight and a half thousand people were really running the show are connected with the people who are in that envelope. But I don't think the 8,000, eight and a half thousand will be in the envelope, I think in the best way, because they're always willing to sacrifice.

 

Let's talk about the relationship of the BIS, the Bank of International Settlements to the Vatican, London and Washington principalities. Historically, people think that it's all about Vatican city, London City and Washington City. But you've been speaking about the BIS, the Bank of International Settlements, and that's what we should be looking at.

 

Yeah. Well, I know, I know a lot of people in this world, especially in alternative news, people who are aware, they're looking at Washington DC, this free state part. And we are talking about Vatican City of London and Washington DC, about three states. The Washington part is the military, the finance, City of London, and the spiritual Vatican. But most of the people they think--they are the main powers, the main tools, but it's not. The base is above them. It's also a free state. But the finance is the regulator, the investor. We're putting also the programs in through well, let's say the game, the whole world is a game.

 

So all the inflationary mechanisms and the interest rate mechanisms. It's all rigged through?

 

It's the channel. The base is the channel who arrange in the multi levels they have. You only see the official part, of course, like they have the board, for example. The board, the official board is I mean, the best is the clubhouse of all the banksters. So in the board are the President of another Central Bank. No, but that's all the outside. We are straight talking actually more in the direction now of shadow banking, the real world because the official world is not the real world. The world where I was living in was a world everything is possible. You can switch identity by day. You can fake any paper you want in this world. We create our own rules. But the rules are always coming from, let's say upstairs. And that's the mechanism the basis the most important one.

 

And who owns the BIS. Can we identify the stakeholders?

 

Officially the owners of the BIS? Are known, of course, like, they're all the stakeholders are all the other central banks. Like it's a sort of collective of owners.

 

The collateral of a country and the wealth of a country is in effect collateralized by the human beings, correct?

 

Yes. Right is based on your birthright.

 

Right. So the human being is born, and is issued a birth bond or a treasury certificate, a number against that birth, with a value to that.

 

Yeah. Yeah. In my lectures, I explained to people as well, I know about this birth certificate. So take a fit. Well, there we go with language. This birth document is more easy for me. In Holland, on the moment, someone is born, yeah. The father or mother is very happy to sign - surrender - the contract? Yeah. Because our country is a company. private corporation, yes. Then, you get a number, a BSN number. In Dutch called birther surface number. It's a slavery number. So for you, as a Dutchman, it's a service number for them. For the powers, it's a slavery number. And if it's about the mentality, it's about, you're, you're you're you're dumb, you're you're nothing you're counted. On the moment the birth certificate is created. Your value is 500,000 euros in Holland. So they're calculated, in your whole productive life, you bring to the state--you bring to the financial system, more or less in taxes and indirect taxes and other ways. You pay back the 500,000 euros, roughly. So you're the value on the moment you're born. I've heard that this certificates, these birth certificates are traded on the stock markets in America. Yes. In Holland, they don't do that. But in other countries, they do. So there you don't know where your certificate is going. I mean, the whole financial system is arranged by law. So the top criminals of this world are, are backed with official laws. If you if you are a parent, and your child is born. Within a few days, you have to go to and register the record record to make the registrations otherwise you have a problem? Because you were breaking the laws.

 

Well, breaking the statutes. Yes. Not the laws. 

 

Yeah, well, for the most citizens, it's that they are breaking the law, because that's the story there. 

 

Yes. That's the story.

 

So the only way to go out of the system is unite, in a sort of cooperative, and withdraw. Yeah, that's it.

 

Yeah. Remove your attention from this game. And the story, because it's just a game. It's just a story. Right? Very good. I also wanted to ask if you were ever blackmailed into Illuminati circles, or were you seduced into it through wealth and power and so on?

 

Yeah. should use Yes. In many ways. I mean, it's quite simple. During the time, you're working with them, they make scans of you. So they are searching always for your weakest point.

 

Is that background checks and so on?

 

Everything, everything, everything, everything they can get. But they never were blackmailing me. I knew they have to chase. I mean, I was also working a lot with secret services. I mean, that that's actually office. If you're working in the darker worlds have this this financial. This is the reason why I came out last year with my testimony about my life in five parts by TV MTV, to prevent that's the dossiers who are still existing somewhere or coming out later on. My path, because I I'm walking on a path. Yes. A destiny. Yes. mission? Yes. And if this Mission Continues for the benefit of life and humanity, yes. I'm sure they will play out this card. And if I didn't tell anything about my dark past, yes, they will play out the cards and the trust is gone.

 

Ronald, were you educated into any of the occultic symbology. And I'm talking now about the numbers, the famous 666 777-776-1776-911. All of these numbers have tremendous significance, correct?

 

Yeah, we get confronted with symbols, and numbers. But the most of the knowledge I got was later on in my new life. In my second life,

 

Your research didn't came to understand the symbology?

 

It was a study of theological way, like studying the Koran, the Bible, the Torah, and also all this kind of things. And I started to discover that the whole creation in the fourth dimension, the fourth dimension, we have Earth, this life is based on numbers. So I start to discover the real cause behind creation that everything is you can all bring everything back to the numbers. And then I start to discover that's also the dark side I was working with, is also working with all this numbers. This holy numbers. Yes. This double number. Yes. But it's not knowledge I was carrying. In my top top level working with finance. Yes, we have different ways, different codes, but not the codes. Because you're talking about shorter polling numbers. Yes. Yes. Secret numbers with power.

 

Right. Good or bad, but they have that power. Yeah.

 

Right. Yeah. So I know, of course, this famous six six six, number,

 

The 332.

 

Yes. That's, for example, for the skull and bones. Right. But the 666 is also misleading number.

 

Very much so. So let's talk about shadow banking. Yeah. Okay. Because there is, we're clear that there is a Masonic elite that is contained within compartmentalised within global banking. And that elite has its own set of rules. Absolutely. And is able to conduct massive transactions completely off the radar screen using Flash screen technology and advanced technologies that we know nothing about. 

 

Well, that's that's a big part of what you're talking about is now also modern time, right? Yes. In my time, we still work with a lot of cash

 

And ledgers. 

 

Yeah, and telex. telex. In that time, the fax telefax was just coming right? At the first mobiles were really like with Dick batteries. It was not the modern time like you have now. So actually, we were more cowboys. And then in one of my interviews, I was explaining about in visiting Germany about trucks loaded with with money. Yes. Iraqi dollars American dollars. But they were transported illegal now because of the embargo. Yes, time Yeah. Gaming of the 90s the embargo so they were illegally buying and selling of oil in dollars. Yes. And in the banking system, you have in that time to deal with a lot of cash. Later they flow in, in pellets. Official in the mainstream, you can find 30 billiards huge, huge amounts by planes to finance. The Iraqi Second World War was in 2000.

 

This was to finance the insurgencies, finance, the saboteurs and the provocateurs.

 

You're talking about the real financial world? I mean, I call it the real financial world who make it able to do whatever you want in this world, because most of the people on earth, you can buy them. You can blackmail them or buy them. It's one of them. There are only a few who will resist. Because we live all in the slavery system. So for them, it's nothing. Yeah, 1 million not enough. 10 million. And that's still a joke. In the real world.  So But you mentioned a group Masonics. That's a worldwide organization. But again, they are not the top. They are running a program. And they're like the base, like all the others, they are listening to the boss, the eight, eight and a half 1000 the real power, okay? And about the real powers. It's not only early,

 

Right, stop. So the real powers behind the eight and a half 1000 is we begin to deal with metaphysics here. interdimensional intelligences, lower astral intelligences, Extra Terrestrial intelligences,

 

I discovered one thing about ourselves, we are multi-dimensional, ourselves. We are multi-dimensional, and also able to experience a lot of frequencies, all the frequencies. And what you can read in, in many old history, well say holy books and history about native tribes here. And also, they're all talk about this dualistic system. They all talk about light manifestation, and a dark manifestation. And the financial system on this planet where I work for is the main key, the main tool to do all the programs they want, because they have a program and the Masonics, they have a spiritual mission. And the end goal of this whole thing is that they are following maybe as one of the few groups on this earth, literally, the Bible, especially also the Revelations. about what's coming next. And you can see this in the recent history, like the rebirth of Israel, it was Palestinian. Palestine, in 1948. Was, yes, the birth of the State of Israel, it was all written in the prophecies. Yes. And they're running to show. When I was studying theology, and I was studying the Bible, I was really devastated, like, wow, the miracles of God are happening here. Our Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth is wow, doing all this. No, it's not. So my old work, in the old days, connecting with new awareness in my new life, making matches all over the place about what's going on. And then later, people who were breaking the oath, Masonics, are making me more and more aware about this agenda. And the end game they're working on is to create the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

 

Rebuild the Temple of Solomon. The Holy Land basically returning to this sabbatarian cult,

 

Yes. And the Masonics who were also working through political movements, like the Nazis. They started the crystal night in 1933 or 34. The program behind it was to get the Jews out of Europe, Germany especially the rich, the wealthy ones Yeah, in the program to Palestine there, but nobody wants to know what I wanted to go. Nobody wants to go to this desert. And this is why you get all this terror in the second

 

And this 6 million figure that comes out of nowhere, apparently.

 

Yeah. Because I cannot prove if they this documents of the Red Cross are real.

 

We've investigated them as well.

 

And if they are real quarter million, we're talking about a few 100,000 that say it's still too much, of course, but they were dying because of slavery, labor and diseases. But the whole program is the Nazis were working officially till 1942. With the political signage.

 

Yes.

 

If the political Zionists were 100% pure Jews of the 12 tribes, the original ones, then I can't understand anything anymore about destroying your own people. Makes no sense. It's Masonic now it's the Masonic black, white, black, white, black, Masonic thing. And again, again, also hear the BIS was one of the main keys and financing everything on earth

 

In 1930-31, early 30s, right?

 

That was the beginning. That was the beginning. But before the war and during the war, American industry was sitting there on the same table like we now making deals with the Nazis.

 

US Standard Oil and IBM and

 

All this company's info. And in the battlefields there we have the energy, right? There was a sacrifice. They were sacrificing children.

 

Yes. A lot. Let's talk about this. Because essentially, banking is the mechanics of control over humanity.

 

It's the main one. Yes, really, the main one.

 

But the objective of banking is to control and create scenarios where blood sacrifice takes place. Because war, disease and poverty equates to blood sacrifice, collectively. 

 

This is all because of the bastards out of this fourth dimension, right? This is about what I call the Luciferians. And they call them also Jensen, the fallen angels, they have so many names, but they on the moment, we have a fight--an argument who is going out of control, we create a negative emotion. And they live on it. Yeah, they suck on this all the time, because they are now also around this. They're everywhere. Yes. And especially in finance, because I did it a lot. Unfortunately, I did it a lot. I was serving them like hell. Because I was in the middle of financing also, I mean, it was not my money, but I arranged everything for them--to create wars, to create actually all the sacrifice.

 

You transcended you transmuted that experience, Ronald, you are pioneering precisely because you did transmute that experience into somehow beautiful chemistry.

 

The problem is, it's still there. It's daily, it's daily there. And people I don't know, people are not aware. People have to wake up.

 

Let's talk about the soul contract. Let's talk about the soul compact and covenant that we engage.

 

You know, with this third sample. Search for it, all the world leaders are already calling for it. For many years, the New World Order their New World Order, that's the program. It's combined with the financial system to have us completely slaved with out of cash, all digital, to put us in a digital cave completely deciding if they like you or not,

 

Ah but they never thought about cryptocurrencies and blockchain, did they? They did you believe that? They engineering all of that. You don't believe that, as a natural human organic response to central banking and Fiat is crypto and smart contracts is our way of you can find this devil off your back

 

Even in internet you can find a white paper from the NSA from 1995. They were already describing everything you have now, in present, like cryptocurrencies is the first and the second generation of cryptocurrencies. They have a lot of backdoors they are not free. I'm very happy and aware that step by step. People start to choose their friends. Right, but about the cryptocurrencies. It was all created by secret services. Now, in the third and the fourth generations, people are taking and using it to use it very positive. Very good. So there are positive things going but I'm more my reaction was more in the direction of the, in general, the masses, the billions of people, who are still, have no clue it just follow whatever. And they have no clue about anything, because they are children. They have the inner child, and they have children of their own. And we have to take care of this. With all the people who are able to do this.

 

Roland, I still want to talk about the soul contract, because at the level that the the so called Illuminati and these Babylonian agents are engaged in a soul contract one way or the other with this higher intelligence. 

 

They want to have us permanently enslaved.

 

We understand that. How do these devils revoke that contract if they want to how did they remove themselves from the contract? Is it possible for them to remove themselves? Times are changing, the world is changing, many of these figures in this Echelon are going to be seeing that they are on the wrong side of history. Yes. And they are going to want to transition. Is there any chance for them to do so? Yes. How?

 

By the Free Will the free will and making contact with the people who are already in the light manifestation? Okay? Because the group is growing? Yeah, you are one of them. You are connected with many other people. I'm connected with many other people. But the game is over.

 

You mentioned you mentioned that when you were involved with this Illuminati Echelon, you mentioned that you had no empathy that you were calculating and called, and you had the capacity to make decisions here and boom, no heart connection.

 

Yes. Already. We even laugh about what terrible things what was right.

 

What was the transition that happened to you, when on what day? what occurred to you, to bring you out of this.

 

It was the day I die. you witnessed something? I have seen myself. And I didn't believe it was the day I started to be aware that I'm much more than just a slave serving an evil system. Bravo.

 

There must have been an event Ronald that happened, what happened on that day? what triggered this

 

When you are out of your body, don't want to come back actually. Because you start to  experience in a completely different life a different world. It looks like--I have seen parts of the new world, the world we are talking about. In the other dimensions. They can look like this. But the grass of the green is different. If you look at grass, it's just an example. You can look through the grass and still match it. It's It's It's real. It's real grass. But you can look through it. I tried to describe it. But it's so bright, the colors are so bright. You can even feel colors. Everything is so intense. It's a completely different world.

 

What brought about that, that metaphysical spiritual experience of this death? This transition? What was it that triggered that?

 

My heart stops beating literally. Yes. I was completely out.

 

You were at home. Where did this happen?

 

No, it was on my work. And they called medical service. Yeah. Urgent ambulance, ambulance.

 

And they resuscitated you?

 

The only moments I remember. Besides seeing how they were doing all the work in my body, yes. The real wake up coming back in consciousness was a crying mother. She was the first one I saw back here.

 

So in a sense, you traveled back in the realm of the archetypes and you saw many things. But this was the one that yes, that made the impression on us. The crying mother. Yeah. And this is connected, connected directly to the sacrifice of innocence.

 

Exactly. Right. This is beautiful. Yeah. But later, because I needed to recover in my body, especially my body. Even the bones of my back, they have to well, they have to repair a lot of things in me. But during this recovery time, I was also in a private clinic in Luxembourg. And the girlfriend well, short of girlfriends I have from that moment who supported me. She showed me in the force in the dark when I was able to walk a bit fearfully of fireflies.

 

Fireflies is an insect, no?

 

Yeah. And I didn't know anything about nature. So so that was for me a magic miracle. It was really a miracle my first contact with nature--because before that I was only destroying nature. So about the first touch. I shared already, but after that there were so many other miracles happening in my life, also with other human beings, because man in this clinical part, my image about myself, I was so rotten. I have so such a negative image about myself in the clinic. I tried to destroy myself as well. Okay. It was not happening. I was swallowing a lot of pills to sleep and go away. But they took me they took all the pills out of my body. And then there was a little boy who was also damaged in this clinic. And he comes to me with a little Bible for children. And I can't remember the words he was saying, but it was touching my heart completely. The words he was saying out of this Bible for children. And that was also a deep, deep touching inside of me. And after that, actually, my whole life start to be with presence.

 

So you understand the power of darkness, and false light and you understand the power of forgiveness, the power of compassion, absolution.

 

The last 20, the last 22 years, I started to discover the positive life, the light manifestations, the unconditional love, and this was growing so much, that I have a direct contact with the source of life, what I call the creator of Heaven and Earth.

 

Yes,

 

I have not a monologue, I have a dialogue. I understand. It's great.

 

What brings us together in this world is a desire, a burning desire to end all of this shadow in our lifetime. Correct? End this blood sacrifice, end this blood cult, end this usury, this control this manipulation.

 

And to prevent that the souls.

 

Are remaining in the cycle.

 

Yes, and will not be captured, final, like an alternative, because they're heading in this program, Freemasonry program. They want us like batteries.

 

Ultimate harvest?

 

Yes, yes. And we are based on the free will, we can choose completely different because we are free. We are 100% free. So we have to restore our position also on Earth, on who we are as human beings. Yes. Because we are very, very powerful. 

 

Redemption, salvation. absolution. These are the words Yeah. And this is the science of love that we are practicing with our work. It is the only way. It is the only way. Ronald Bernard. Thank you. 

 

Thank you.