Dark Journalist & Catherine Austin Fitts: Mr. Global Wants You!

Daniel Liszt  

Hello everyone, this is dark journalists with a very special episode for you with former Dylan Reid partner and Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Catherine Austin Fitz. Now in the last episode, Catherine showed us how major political and financial institutions were creating a new slavery today shall go even further finding out that we are at war with a powerful group attempting to create an inhuman civilization and how Mr. Global wants you, Catherine, I have to ask you the question we started with, which is 2025. What does America look like? In 2025?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

You know, something, the possibilities are so many, it's impossible to say. Because what we're watching is a war. We're watching a spiritual war, a consciousness war, a legal war, a physical war. I mean, we are in a war. And what's interesting is, if you look at the group that's trying to basically load an operating system into our bodies and our minds, they're making it up as they go, they don't have this lockdown. And they're doing something that is not only very experimental, but it's very hard to do. So, if you look at the unpredictable ways this could spin, it's quite extraordinary. And I never underestimate the ability of the human race, with our intention with our intelligence, to to shift the direction of where this goes. So in our scenario, you know, every year we do scenario plans, because I'm a great believer, I don't believe in predicting or prophesizing the future, I believe in having scenarios and planning for, you know, I wish to survive in all scenarios. Yeah, right. So, um, we have two variables. One is culture. One is finance, the financial one is they print versus we print, because succeeding is going to require us to decentralize the money creation and the wealth creation. So we need equity markets, for neighborhoods, we need currencies for neighborhoods, we can't just let up, you know, the Iron Bank rule the planet in terms of money creation. So that's number one. But then the other is a human culture or an inhuman culture. Now, some people call it transhumanism, I just call it in human. And a human culture is a culture where we are individually sovereign, divine individuals with inalienable rights by divine authority. an inhuman culture is one where we're a natural resource to be exploited, like an oil deposit, or, you know, a herd of livestock. That's our choice. Those are our choices. So, um, you know, and as you know, I truly believe that death is not the worst thing that can happen. I would much rather die than end up living in an inhuman culture. So,

 

Daniel Liszt  

absolutely, um, given the nature, oh, that's an excellent point about just the freedom to be a human being once that's gone, really, you think, what is the point of living?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, I don't think you can, our rights come to us they are in alienable. In other words, our our freedom comes to us by divine authority, no government can take it away from us, a government can kill me, but they can't take away a divine right? Only I can let that you know, I have the power to not be separated from God, no one can separate me But me,

 

Daniel Liszt  

right.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

And so it's our choice. So a government can kill my body. I can't stop the government from killing my body. But,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

uh,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

you know, I have the power to stay within the umbrella of minAllah inalienable rights. And that's this is going to come down to how many people understand that and act accordingly.

 

Daniel Liszt  

And we have a whole lot in common with those who declared independence in 1776. And we've got digital AI, King George.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, here's the thing, how are we going to take the brilliance and the genius of the Scottish Enlightenment? You know, that became the constitution and, and, and became the experiment of the United States and reinvent its, you know, reinvent a vision of how we live under the Constitution. I think the constitution You know, it's a magnificent document and the impulse that created the Constitution is a magnificent document. I used to belong to a group that would give people a copy of the Constitution and say, I want you to go, you know, sit down with your neighbors and talk about what the constitution means to your neighborhood and how you enforce the constitution as a cultural matter in your neighborhood. A great, great thing to do great idea. Um, I don't know, I, I, I think each one of us has to decide that we're part of an incredible covenant, and we have the power to preserve that covenant. Whether it's the cultural covenant of Western civilization, or the, you know, the the legal and political covenant of the Constitution, which to me, first and foremost, is the spiritual covenant that we have with each other. So, I refuse to give up on the covenant period. And because I think the whatever the central bankers are trying to do, I think that going direct reset will fail.

 

Unknown Speaker  

Yes,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Sue, contradictory to life. And I don't underestimate you say, What does America look like? In 2025? You know, there are people who say there's going to be 100 million people left in North America, in 2025,

 

Daniel Liszt  

like the Deagle prediction,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

right? I don't underestimate the ability of the going direct reset, and these injections to kill hundreds of millions of people. So, you know, there's no doubt we are living in highly uncertain times, and highly dangerous times. And my advice to everybody is, you know, we come here for a purpose, What's your purpose? So now's the time to put onto the, you know, into the psychic storm, a vision of the kind of human civilization we want to be a part of. So, you know, don't don't fight directly with the central bankers, but be prepared to lead us into human civilization when they fail.

 

Daniel Liszt  

It's an excellent point, when they implode, they're gonna leave the ruins of their disastrous attempt.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Look around you. That's what we're watching. What What is it looking around you that you don't see in the picture of a sama? bin Laden?

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Absolutely.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Looks like,

 

Daniel Liszt  

yes, Catherine, we've touched on the subject of adult fairytales before the whole porn that gets flooded into alternative media, or in the mainstream media. And we see people kind of tuning out to the consequences of this big pharma takeover, just as they tuned out to accept things like the Patriot

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Act, you know, I'm sympathetic, I understand the you know, there's nothing better to put your money in, the charities roll around, and then all the money comes out. That's great, you know, so we all love to win a lot. We all love to win the lottery solution, but it's not gonna work this time. So, and for many, many, many years, my whole lifetime, you were better off being in the middle of the road.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes. And I want you to mention this, because I'm going to use someone that we both know from reading her work for many years. peggy noonan, who I think her work was very interesting. She's always been on the ball, but the middle of the road that she's looking for now is gone. And so her her, her articles now almost seem disjointed, because there is no middle of the road that she's looking for. And this gets to that point that you've illustrated. I remember thinking when I was reading her articles, this is that middle of the road problem. It fits mentioned, which is all that looking for that middle of the road, and it's gone.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, it's interesting. Since I've been in the Netherlands, I use the Wall Street Journal digitally instead of having it delivered. So I haven't been renier columns, and I should go in and do that. But she, I think peggy noonan is an absolute genius. Yes. And she was able, despite the fraying of the middle of the road to come up with these brilliant editorials that could speak to all sides and draw them in.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

you know, could find opportunity. I mean, the woman is truly gifted and an amazing writer. I agree. And if she can't find a middle road, it's because there is not

 

Daniel Liszt  

exactly

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

she could find. I mean that woman could find a you know, a middle of the road, on the you know, on the tip of a pen She was amazing. Yes, that's too bad.

 

Daniel Liszt  

It's Well, it's interesting to me because when you get into like the deep event of January 6, for example, you have people just toeing the party line, and just saying, you know, not going deeper into how those things. You know how there were provocateurs involved, how the standout of the security was involved how john Sullivan was there, you know, his dad.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

It was such a pathetic operation. We had correspondent there in Washington that day, it was so pathetic, she was calling me, it was so pathetic, that they cannot even get the shriek. You know, the shreeka meter can't get any traction on this. I mean, the whole thing is failing completely. They can't, you know, then they tried to say that, you know, revolutionaries, were going to show up around the state cat, you know, nobody showed up. Yes. Yeah, everybody's had to their tricks. You know, this, this, Americans have been played so many times with this, that they're just like,

 

Daniel Liszt  

Well, you know, it's amazing, because I, I know, a lot of photographers, and I know a lot of stock photography, people just I in my life, I've developed that for magazines and things like that. I know, some of their top people. The fact that Getty Images had images of that event for sale the same day shows you that somebody knew that they were going to be in this and that's a pretty good play for Getty. But this is very interesting to me. So when I look at somebody like Peggy, I think, okay, you know, what they can do is they can dissect this whole thing, but no, you know, she has to run away from it. She can't do it. He'll master the middle of the road. She can't Oh,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

I'll tell you what I would expect if I went to read a peggy noonan column right now. There is a fabulous one of the best books on the Kennedy assassination is Mary's mosaic by Peter Janney. Yeah. And he describes how after the assassination, the whole Washington elite just went into fear and kind of, you know, went on extended vacations or, you know,

 

Unknown Speaker  

moved off. It's

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

what I call it, you know, hurdling to agree. unclear. Have you ever heard my story about the victor the cleaner smile?

 

Daniel Liszt  

Oh, no, tell me,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

okay, so. So, in the La Femme Nikita movies, not the TV series. When you go out on an operation, it goes bad, you have to call and, and the cleaner will show up to kind of clean everything up. And unfortunately, a lot of times when the cleaner shows up, they kill the operatives. So it's very dangerous when the cleaner comes in. And so if you're an operative, you got to be really careful what else you're toast to. So Nikita and one of her colleagues are out on an operation. It goes bad, they call and Harvey Keitel shows up, he's so great. You know, he's the perfect cleaner. He shows up Victor the cleaner. And the the operative with Nikita loses her cool and starts getting emotional. And Victor just kills her. And he turns to Nikita and she has she she comes up with this huge smile. And she says How can I help?

 

Unknown Speaker  

That's like,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

turbo chipper. So during the bailouts, I'm on the treadmill and I'm watching all the all the TVs are turned off this the volume is silent. And, and, and everybody has a look on their face. And they're, you know, so positive. You know, everything's fine. It's fine. It's fine. And I thought, I've seen that smile before. And I realized, Oh, it's the victor the cleaner smile. And that's what happens when you watch. Even the people on the shreeka meter trying to cover all of this. They have that picture of the cleaner smile. Wow, they're scared. They're really, really scared. And if peggy noonan can't find the middle of the road, it's because she's scared.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, like you I respect her work a lot. But this was fascinating to me, that she couldn't dissect that situation from a journalistic point of view. It had to be, you know, showing the official line.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right, we've reached the point where any discussion of reality mostly consists of topics that aren't allowed at a cocktail party.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yeah, which is,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

you know, which is why I get back to the question of, if we have $30 trillion of debt, and the country is controlled by the creditors who owns the debt.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right, right?

 

Daniel Liszt  

We have seen, I'm so glad you brought this up. Because the thing about the cleaner and all that the Kennedy assassination, right after that, that's when the media develops this real schizophrenia on a large scale. Because they have to stop doing their job. But then people around them are doing the job. And people like garrison and stuff, and they work those stories into the system. And then they're like, Oh, we have to destroy whoever's doing that.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So so you know. So the suppression mean, the 47 to 49x set up the conditions for this oppression. It takes a big step up when Kennedy gets killed, but then you have a wave of assassinations, because you have Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and Bobby Kennedy, you know, and those four is what really shifted everybody. So it's almost like almost everybody in my generation said, Okay, I'm going to become a hyper materialist. Because it's too scary and dangerous to, you know, sort of care about the real world. Yeah. So So, you know, when we go along at a certain level, nobody wants to push the red button, so to speak. But then we hit the 90s. And until the mid 90s, staniel, the average American citizen was better off for not asking questions.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Okay, fine.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Yeah, they got paid. You know, they got their check, and they got a story of why they're good. And all the terrible things going on had nothing to do with them, because they weren't, you know, I'm good. And here's my check. So they played the game. What happened in the mid 90s? Is the financial coup started. And that's when, basically a process was set into motion to steal their political rights, their human rights and their assets.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

And what is now happening is, it's dawning on them, that that is being done.

 

Daniel Liszt  

It's a 25 year process, really, and I hate to make you tell the story again. But there's that incredible story that you have when you sit down and talk to the president of CalPERS. And he tells you, they've given up on the country.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So if you read our online book, Jilin read in the aristocracy of stock profits, it's a Dylan read and co.com. Or if you come into soleri, there's a link to the delivery book, you can pick it up on a search. When I finished the litigation, I realized I need to explain to people what happened. You know, why was there this unbelievably violent Food Fight for 11 years between Katherine and all the money on the planet? You know, what was that about? And I wrote it. And one of the reasons I wrote it was I wanted to give people a case study to help them understand that when the decision was made to pull the plug on the country, the leadership knew the leadership knew exactly what they were doing. They made a conscious, intentional decision. And it was a plan. And there are two pieces in my mind that really proved that one is the Dillon read book. And the other is Sir James Goldsmith interview with Charlie Rose in 1994, explaining why we shouldn't create the WTO and move forward with the Uruguay Round of gatt and globalization. But one of the things I described in Dylan Reid, I came out of the Bush administration convinced that basically, the bush syndicate was going to take this technology, and do what we're now watching. You know, I had no idea the ability to download an operating system in the body, but I knew the control, you know, that this technology could be used to control in an extreme way. And I was worried that that's what they were going to do. And so I came out of the Bush administration and said, We need another plan. We need a plan whereby people can optimize the economy bottom up in a way that will create far more wealth, and prove to Mr. Global that the human race can take responsibility on a bottom up basis. And so I said, this technology can help us do that. So I started to prototype how you could finance communities in a way that bottom up would create fantastic, more wealth and, you know, sort of what's underway right now. And it's absolutely you know, in theory, it's absolutely possible. Anyway, I took my plan. I was working, we had a company had a subsidiary that had a board of the top pension leaders in the country. And we were working with the Department of Labor to look at Through big investment policies, the most important is how are we going to provide for the boomers retirement? So I took this our prototyping of, of basically community equity pools, and community and column community data bags. And this vision of how we could have a bottom up revolution of sort of value and wealth creation. And I took it to the pension fund leaders and made the presentation It was 1990. The spring of 1997 was it safeguard scientifics and Pennsylvania were one of them was located. And, and the President of CalPERS, wonderful man looked at me and he said, You don't understand it's too late. They've given up on the country. And I said, What What do you mean, they've given up on the country and he said, they've decided to move all the money in the country out in the fall, and I thought he meant they're planning on shifting capital into the emerging markets, I thought he meant we're going to shift capital that can be legally shift, I didn't realize he meant no, steal everything. You're gonna pump, we're gonna pump the economy, raise the dollar, you know, so we'll pump the country with government debt, will suck money out with $1 high will flow these other places, and by and cheap. Because if you look at, you know, if you look at all the places that were raped or collapsed at that point, you know, they were having a shopping spree, they were running around the world buying things cheap. You know, watch, we have some great interviews of Anna Williamson at the soleri report on the rape of Russia, it's a perfect example. Yes, you know, or the, the, what they did in Argentina, you know, South America, Eastern Europe, I have all these, you know, I've sort of studied how they played that game all around the world. And to a certain extent, what we're watching is that game coming back to g7. Anyway, so

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

in 1995, there was an enormous effort by the sort of financially responsible members, the establishment to get a budget deal, and it failed. They were deeply frustrated. And literally, Daniel, it was the next month that you saw Oxycontin approved, you saw the predatory lending, rolled out and pushed all these different policies, because if you cannot get a financially responsible solution to the boomer retirement problem, your only other choice is to bring the average life expectancy down. It's a mathematical formula. You know, you have an actuarial table, you have a number of people, you have life expectancy, and then you have the money you have to put up. And if you cannot get the general population, and the body politic and the Congress to support a financially solvent solution, then the math is you have to lower the number of people you have to lower life expectancy. It's math, it's pure math. And I think what happened was when they couldn't get the budget deal, you know, I used to watch some of them, you know, work to get a financially responsible solution, and they would tear their hair out. I mean, I remember watching conversations between senators where Jim d'amato was a piece of work I'll never forget one conversation where d'amato just basically said, you know, that's in 20 years, I couldn't give a damn, you know, I, where's my pork today? So, so if you, you know,

 

Daniel Liszt  

something, he'd say,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Oh, no, no, you I've never told you my tomato story sometime. I should, we should have a little tomato. Now, let me let me tie this to something interesting going anyway, so so. So, you know, Bill, Chris was very clear. They've decided to get, you know, to take all the money. That fall was October 1997, which is the beginning of the 1998 fiscal year. And that's when the 21 trillion. Now over 50 trillion started to go missing. And when it happened, I was in shock, because I thought bill meant we're going to move all the money that can be moved legally. And what I realized was Holy cow, he meant everything. We're going to set this place strong.

 

Daniel Liszt  

And this is it's interesting, because 1995 is not understood for its impact in the sense but you've put it on the map is this really when something changed dramatically here because NAFTA gatt and then this 1995 statement from the CalPERS. President to you,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

right, but but I would say the big moment, there are a couple big moments for 47 to 49 Act, which we've covered extensively, we're very big moments because you create the secret infrastructure that's out of control. Right? You know, so so you create the hidden system of finance that Joseph Farrell has described. So well, you create the block budget, you create this mechanism that then goes out of control. You know, one of my favorite stories we ever talked about that Eisenhower story is probably the one about the the, the the was, was it the third army?

 

Daniel Liszt  

Oh, yeah, yeah, no, tell the story. This is fascinating.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So, um, so it said that, you know, one of the terrible strategic mistakes that was made, was literally with the 49 Act, and then with a series of decisions, making the CIA the most powerful bank on the planet, you know, talking about a bag that can operate above the law, you know, and kill with impunity globally, and, and they don't have to pay taxes and everything secret. So you're talking about a pretty powerful function anyway. So So Eisenhower had, I think, by executive authority, put the CIA in charge of security for area 51, which included financing, which is, you know, how we know that the guys that mean, and we're stopping off at area 51? The money, right, anyway, so, so the CIA doesn't report back to Eisenhower, they just don't want them. So Eisenhower is getting more and more frustrated, because he can't figure out what's going on the CIA is at briefing on the playing games. So he calls them up and tells them if you're not in my office tomorrow, briefing me on what's going on in area 51. I'm going to fly to Colorado, get the Third Army and invade area. 51.

 

Daniel Liszt  

That's it. Right. Incredible. It's an amazing story. And what's interesting is it has so much resonance because he understood militarily, that the CIA has to answer the military, in fact, an answer to the President.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right. And, and, you know, he had the he had the political clout, and the knowledge and the relationships to pull that off. Now he, you know, from everything we can tell, he briefed Kennedy, but Kennedy did not have, you know, those kinds of relationships in the military and the public persona that could you know, in the squeeze protect them. Because, you know, there's no way I think Eisenhower they could have ever sort of tricked Eisenhower into the kill zone in Dallas.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Oh, no question. No question. It's unbelievable. And it's still an incredible story because I think Douglas caty who came on the show in 2015 and told me you know, because he was very best friends with the Howard Hawks and then it was haunting I don't know Kennedy was killed over the UFO file and that's a crime

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

there are a couple theories one is he was killed over the you know, wanting the Treasury to issue currency Yeah, so the central bankers one was the sex slave thing because Dulles if you if you read David Talbots book, Devil's chessboard, which I think is one of the best if not the best book on the nation. Um, you know, Dulles was the project manager Yeah, no, there's no doubt in my mind. Anyway, Kennedy It is said that Kennedy stripped Dulles and the CIA of sex slave privileges because he said you know, if you want sex you should get your own the taxpayer shouldn't pay for Don't laugh I think that would have just driven Dulles. Great, you know, cuz don't hate it. Kennedy. Yeah. So what was this? So what was the central bank? One was the sex slave thing. One was Israel wanted a nuclear arsenal. And Kennedy was trying to,

 

Daniel Liszt  

yes,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Israel having its nuclear arsenal, and then the other is the UFO file and sharing it with Russia. Yes. Now, what I have to tell you is and and the two best books to understand this are David Talbots, the devil's chessboard and Peter Janie's Mary's mosaic.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Kennedy Kennedy, what Kennedy did was Kennedy was doing a full model change. Right. So if you look at how the central banking warfare model was working, he was looking to move to an entirely different and that meant everyone in the central banking warfare model wanted to kill him. You know, it was like a whole It was like a full spectrum dominance kill. Yes, because he was changing. It's like a ballroom where everybody's doing the tango anymore. And tells the orchestra to play a waltz and everybody starts bumping into each other, you know, because they don't know how to do a waltz.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Wow, it's a fantastic description.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right. And that's, that's why if you if you look at, you know, Tom did a magnificent job of sort of taking you around all the different issues where he had caused a fence and janee to they they do a remarkable job of integrating sort of the whole economic and political ecosystem. I just think if you look at how many people you had to have set at that level, to basically pull off that assassination. That's why it's so hard for people to understand the assassination. Because if you look at all the people, you needed to pull it off in the way that they pulled it off. And the cover up, I mean, the cover up. What I saw in the establishment was that the their ability to cover it up had really important. You know, the people who run America, they, they were really emboldened by their ability to get away with it.

 

Daniel Liszt  

It's incredible. And the chances I think they took in removing RFK. So shortly after that, it became obvious to many people that they were living under a banana republic with that one.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, it was the two Kennedys, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yeah,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

it was the it was bad. Um, you know, I wanted to tell you something, and this is this really struck me. I've always been a fan of a documentary maker named Adam Curtis. He wrote this, he did the century of self.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

And the BBC just announced a new six part series by him. And I was I thought, Oh, great. You know, I love about it, Curtis, I'll watch it. And it starts off, and it describes two things. One is the Kennedy assassination and then MK Ultra. And it basically introduces Jim kerrison as a conspiracy nut, who was a complete idiot.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Now, if you look at how much has come out on the Kennedy assassination, if there's anything you know, Jim garrison was far from a nut. Yeah. He, he got very close to nailing it. Yeah, absolutely. So and, and was a very courageous and brave, intelligent, confident human being. And I looked at it and it was such a cheap President, I gave up, I stopped, I said, Okay, I'm serious. But for Adam Curtis to do that, you think what is going on in this world?

 

Daniel Liszt  

What happened to him? Um, it's interesting, there was a guy and leading columnists in the UK writing for the independent. And his big thing was, the JFK movie should be banned. Because it started all this. And that Oliver Stone was to blame. And it was in a very interesting more of that genie back in the bottle. And I have told you that I've had a very strange experience in the last month, which is I've been seeing Osama bin Laden's pictures everywhere in the media. And I'm like, why am I saying

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

though? Obviously, I don't I don't watch any of that stuff. And I don't call it media anymore. I just call it shriek meter. Why should we call it media? It's not media.

 

Daniel Liszt  

It's true. It's true. I don't think I think it's corporate promotion. promotion. Right.

 

Daniel Liszt  

And I have a couple of questions to ask you about this. Okay, so they've been pushing this terrorism bill, the domestic terrorism bill, and talking about who needs to be lined up. And at one point, they have an MSNBC, you know, her show she has these guests on and she says, Well, you know, what we could do and it's right there and Biden administration should take note of this, which is, we did kill an American citizen who was a domestic terrorist. And that was aulaqi. And we didn't need all of this, you know, congressional or, you know, we didn't need a judicial process for that. We just did it because it was in the best interest of the country. So this is the level of which, you know, they're talking about droning, anyone who they don't like, basically,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

just be easy if you have an operating system in your body.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Excellent points. Just write, press press.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

This is the shift to robotic and entro enforcement.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Excellent. Well tell me more.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, if you've got everybody in the system, and you've got AI and software, right, then you don't need humans to police. You can do everything. with robotics and AI, and if a domestic terrorist Lord gives you the ability to push the smite button there you go.

 

Daniel Liszt  

If you Why are we seeing all the 911 people around talking about this? And, you know, we see a lot of 911 people being pulled into these conversations

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

very remember, it's very important. Remember, the University of Alaska report came out on March 25. So COVID-19 happened just in time. Right?

 

Daniel Liszt  

True. Right. Yes. Excellent point. We're seeing a lot of people from the W era getting recycled. And they weren't

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

getting recycled.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Well, we just tom ridge was somebody that you sent over to me part of this Apollo program. And he was the first director of Homeland Security, I find that significant, especially since there's a New York Times article about terrorism, saying that, you know, they had a plan to do all these things like mass and social distancing under the Bush administration, because they thought there was going to be a biological terrorist scare. They had the word social distancing in the legislation

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

that I just recorded a great thing we'll publish next week called Beyond divide and conquer with unis. Ricardo, Stanton. Oh, yeah, and junius is a genius anyway, but one of the things, so we've done several soleri reports on divide and conquer, and they keep coming up with more divide and conquer. So like on the, you know, they went from man to woman to LGBT, but then this whole transgender thing is made it a level of complexity, you know, they just keep creating more. And finally, I said to junius, I said, you know, the mass and social distancing, they've run out of more ways to divide us. So they said, okay, we just divide you up physically, nobody can be more than six feet. Right? You can be you know, so this is, this is the ultimate divide and conquer will just, you know, we'll just say, okay, you can't, you can't see each other because you got to face diaper on and you can't, you can't be next to each other because you got to social does mean it's all just divide and conquer. It's just

 

Daniel Liszt  

fascinating, because you had Thomas Meyer on recently, I have to ask you the Armand question. That was the name of your report there. And we know our amount is related to steiners cosmology, basically, about the devil. But one of the interesting things that comes out of that is Steiner, when he boils it down, talks about Armand is this divisive force, and he says at one point, you know, there's the war, the war of all against all. But finally, the object is to turn the right side of the human body against the left side of the human body.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So now that if you if you read what this Mr. mRNA technology does, that's what it's going to do. It's going to have the body attacking itself. And at you know, I, I believe this, as you know, is a spiritual war. And I think the presence of the Colts You know, I think we're up against very serious demonic forces and I think AI and software absolutely make it easier for those forces to act within the material world. And, and they are very powerful and they are present and the people many of the people leading this, you know, play with them.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

You know, and and I think it's extremely difficult for the general population to fathom how bad this is. And the and the presence of the occult and practices they can't they just can't fathom.

 

Daniel Liszt  

entrusting you I'm,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

I'm gonna live.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yeah, right. That's why

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

you probably remember that we met over, you know, I tried to introduce you to they live when we first met. Yes. Which I think is a very important movie. And you know, the moral of the story and they live is you got to turn off the entrainment.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes. And you need a set of those classes. Yeah. Which is what you get at the Solari report or something I want to ask you about the Incredible Shrinking presidency. Now we know Biden got in under strange circumstances, a disturbing development is a push by the democrat party to move the nuclear football codes under the control of a committee.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

If you're talking about turning the nuclear codes over, right, with secret committee, yeah. Then we're talking about a governance system, which is much more fluid and fragile than any of us want to admit. Because if you move those nuclear codes, then there's no longer United States of America.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Absolutely.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Now, if you move fast be fit between faz b 56. And the nuclear codes you're talking about. Is there a country? Is there a sovereign? There's, we have a government that doesn't have information sovereignty, and it doesn't have financial sovereignty. And if you look at what's happening in the Treasury market, that may reflect the fact that smart money already understands that. So in terms of what could happen this year, and next, I, you know, the The possibilities are many, and I almost don't want to engage in them, because I don't want to encourage them to happen.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yes, The very thought form itself. Yeah, I know what you mean,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

right. But we all need to be prepared for this is why I say, Stop paying attention to the presidential election, start paying attention to what's going on with local and state politics. Because one of the most important issues for you is, are you going to be in a safe jurisdiction? Are you going to be in a well managed jurisdiction, and one of the reasons I moved to Tennessee was I wanted to be in a well managed jurisdiction. You know, and I wanted to be in one where there was not a lot of debt, where the pension funds are fully funded, where there are a lot of community banks, where there's a lot of good farmland and water. You know, look at the business people who are in South Dakota and look at how they compare to the people. 49% of the small businesses in San Francisco are reported to have been destroyed last year. Unbelievable. South Dakota never shut down. So if you're a small business person in South Dakota, you know, your businesses and bankrupt because you were in the right jurisdiction.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Absolutely. And a lot of states, we see them lifting mandates. And opening up we know the Florida has Texas has made a huge move in this department, Arizona and other places, Idaho. They're maybe the canary in the coal mine here.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So you know, I hate to make you uncomfortable. How are things where you are? I mean, because you're right in the heart of darkness there.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yeah. So I have a theory about Massachusetts, though, I think that the these groups have laid up so many of their assets here that they won't decimate it entirely, because so many of them are here and have to get back and forth. But they they've gotten real draconian, here, they have started to lift things and they're like, here, restaurants 50% capacity. But the craziest thing, of course, is Baker who's supposed to be a republican laying on all this stuff?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, it's frightening because if you look at all the universities and in Boston you have so many scientists, you have so many doctors, you have so many people with extraordinary IQs. Yes, right. And education.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Yeah.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

And yet, you know, they're they're basically embracing a cult.

 

Daniel Liszt  

They are right, they are and they've been really heavily heavily. You know, MSNBC, all that stuff. There's always everywhere you go, they have CNN or MSNBC playing. You know, that's just who they are around here. And it's unfortunate. It's interesting. You mentioned farmland, Massachusetts isn't known for it, but if you go Western man,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

very beautiful farmland. Yes. Yeah.

 

Daniel Liszt  

So maybe there's a chance. Hey, listen, I live about five minutes from where our good old Harvard professor was grabbed for giving secrets to China. You know, Charles Lieber there. And so never a dull moment,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

the true story of Charles lever in what he was doing, and Wu Han is on my genie in the bottle list of

 

Daniel Liszt  

Ah,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

there's a story there. And it's very important.

 

Daniel Liszt  

This gets us really into it. That is we understood.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Sitting in the other room, I have a new pile of books I just said that said, I'm going to figure this out and I ordered every book I could on brain machine interface. Excellent. Because when I went to leevers website, I realized oh, this guy's expertise is spring machine interface. This is very bad. Because Wu Han did look like an experiment that went wrong.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Yeah. You know,

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

but then when they got the guy who they put in charge of Operation wolfspeed was the former head of research at GlaxoSmithKline, who was a brain machine interface expert. I said, Oh, no, you know, I'm seeing this word too many times. And then when you read O'Hagan and realize, you know, basically what they're putting into your body is a medical device.

 

Unknown Speaker  

Wow.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

You're talking about turning individual cells into computer power. You know, oh, Bill Gates thinks he can turn the population into a Bitcoin mining. We okay.

 

Daniel Liszt  

But Catherine, they will pull down your material just for saying that this is where we're at with the censorship is so heavy, it's Chinese style censorship. Now also?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, but here's the thing, anybody can go to my website and see what I'm saying.

 

Daniel Liszt  

True. So you can't, you can't use it as an excuse. If you're someone in the public saying, oh, everything was so censored, I couldn't get the information.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Okay, so I rest my case.

 

Daniel Liszt  

I'll never forget that one of the main things that got YouTube on the map was a water surfing cat. And it was like 50 million views. You know, that's what got us into the whole viral game in the first place.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

now, I say that, and I love animal videos. I know I do. I love animal videos. I'm always sending out animal videos. I love animal videos.

 

Unknown Speaker  

Absolutely.

 

Unknown Speaker  

Yeah, that's great. Um,

 

Daniel Liszt  

I have two questions for you. And it wraps into your reports. And okay, kind of close everything out with this. And thank you, I want to talk

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

before we end, I want to talk about the report that I'm going to pass today, I'm going free to see it. Okay, great.

 

Daniel Liszt  

That's exactly what you want to do. Maybe let's roll into it. I've been hearing and this is not out there in the media, but I have my own private sources. And I have heard in the grapevine about these cases, of these municipalities getting hacked into utilities and things of this nature, and then people demanding a great ransom in order to give the databases back and to get out of their system and all that stuff. And in some cases, those ransoms getting paid in, in some cases, you know, I'm trying to track it. And, you know, it has the traditional trademark of like, Oh, it was a Russian Hacker or something of this nature.

 

Daniel Liszt  

And

 

Daniel Liszt  

when we think about blackouts, and when we think about the types of experiments, let's say that Mr. Global is doing on all of these things, is a national blackout, something that could be in his deck of cards, and what kind of thing you know, like, when I look at this, and I see those types of things, there was a Florida hacker, this is a story that came out, and he hacked into change the sailing in the water supply. And they had all these, you know, kind of official stories about about this dangerous person, they were tracking him down these types of things, are we gonna see more of that? What kind of game are they play in there?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So I think we're gonna see a lot more of those things. Because what we've had, so take the United States, United States has had an infrastructure of people whose job it was to run things well. And they had ethics and they had competency. And so for example, when I came into government, we had an extraordinary number of people who've been left over from the Kennedy administration, who were very competent, very capable, very intelligent, really cared, you know, they wanted to do a good job. As those people have retired and the corruption has grown, you don't have that infrastructure of competency. And so I think for a variety of reasons, you're seeing a deterioration in the in the infrastructure competency. You know, and it's complex, we can we could do a whole show on what is causing this deterioration. But then when you add to it more and more people who can make money from from organized crime, and a culture that says organized crime is cool, organized crime is hip, and other people around the world to organized crime. That's how they get ahead. Organized Crime is the way you get ahead. Once you create that kind of culture and ethic, then the number of you know whether they're attached to the intelligence agencies or Lone Ranger, you know, that's going to explode and so on. I think you're gonna see more and more of this. And the question is, when is the enforcement line going to take responsibility for the cyber theater the way they take responsibility for the physical theater? So why is a citizen? You know, do I have a sheriff who says, you know, I'll stop anybody from coming in and killing you in your house, but they can come in online and do anything they want? I'll say it's not my jurisdiction.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right. So why have we created an entire digital infrastructure and parallel worlds? That that where there is no law? And why have we decided to run the whole country? And the whole planet on these systems where there's no law?

 

Daniel Liszt  

That is a really huge question.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Yeah. And it's a question that is tied very deeply to the Treaty of Westphalia. Right, and chose a feral and I have talked a lot about the Treaty of Westphalia. And it's something that we decided 20 years ago, to tear up without telling anybody, we just said, let's do it. And the treat was failure basically created a principle that said, physical force is the domain of a sovereign government within a place. Right. And we have suddenly moved to a world where we have decided that certain players have immunity from the law. And now we have a group of private players who can deliver physical force anywhere, whatever they want, to hell with the sovereign state to help with enforcement, including violence through the cyber mechanism. Yes. And so there needs to be a fundamental understanding and rethinking of, are we going to have a plan for who can bring for us within a jurisdiction? Or are we just moving to a completely out of controlled chaotic world? Now from what I see, in the United States, we're moving to a completely out of control chaotic world?

 

Daniel Liszt  

It is, that's exactly what it seems like.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right. And and part of the problem is, the people running it think they can add on drones and robotic police. And that's going to be a solution.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Oh, boy. More More

 

Daniel Liszt  

repression? Yeah.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, here's, here's, this is why we have to get back to fundamentals, which is, Mr. Global, if you look at what the central bankers are up to, they are coming from a place of fear. Now, that's not good. And the question is, what's scaring them? Now, what I've watched my entire life, is the central bankers believe that the general population is stupid and can't be trusted to take responsibility. And once their check, and the story of I'm good, they don't want to turn the red button green, they just give me my check. Give me my money. And I don't want to know, okay, right. And so that we have this cycle of disrespect between the financial establishment and the people. And the the more they get away with murder, and the more they steal, the more financial fraud that goes on, the more emboldened they are and what we've seen is in all the different institutional lines, the people who rise to the top or the people who are you know, the psychos have risen to the top in most lines. Okay. Yeah. Now, that's not who they put out for us to look at and talk to you. I'm not saying Obama is a psycho, but, you know, so they have, you know, they put out some pretty, you know, sort of smooth and welcoming people, but, yes, right.

 

Daniel Liszt  

So they're very Smith.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right. But we have we have a cycle of disrespect, and we have empowered, organized crime. So at the beginning of 2020, have you seen Yellowstone? Yes. Okay. So the 2020, I said the number one issue for 2020. This is one of my best calls ever. I said the number one question for 2020. Is what are we going to do about the back brothers? Yes. And that is the question before us. Because the back brothers are running things. And one of the reasons they're running thing is Mr. Global, is afraid and is managing risks. We don't understand what they are. And we don't know how to solve Mr. Global's problem and come to some kind of positive solution. Because everything is secret.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Right, exactly. It's

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

not Secret because Mr. Global's keeping it secret. If I go to a cocktail party and I try and talk about what's really going on them, you know, I won't get invited back.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Exactly.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Right. So so the secrecy on this planet has reached a level. I don't know, it's it's reached? Oh, would you

 

Daniel Liszt  

value the value of an open conversation is soaring?

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Yeah. And that's, you know, one of the reasons you and I are sitting here is, we want to have an honest, open conversation. Right. Right. And, and we're willing to say, I don't know. Because, you know, one of the things you come down to, you know, every quarter Joseph and I do the top stories on this layer report. So we're gonna record on April 3, right over Easter, cuz we're ready for resurrection. But, anyway, so we go through the top 20 stories, and then we do the unanswered questions. And of course, the top 20 stories or 20. The unanswered questions are like up to 1000.

 

Daniel Liszt  

I know cern is in there somewhere.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, you have all these entities. You know, Gabby, I don't know. Did you realize Gabby has the same immunity that CERN in the BSF?

 

Daniel Liszt  

Oh, that is fascinating.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Oh, I have to tell you another funny story. Yes, I was. You know, I don't know if it was a dark journalist. It could have been in when I did the top stories. But one of the things I said was, you know, now that the VA S is getting so much more attention, they've got to change. They're building it looks like the Iron Bank, Game of Thrones, it really looks like the Iron Bank. And I said they're just going to have to change their buildings. So I was in basil a couple months ago, and I'm driving along with a friend to loosen basil. And I laughed we were driving by the big building and I said you know it's so funny because I keep saying is the big should build a new building because you know, they look like the end bank and it's really not the right look. And they turned to me and they said oh, didn't you know they're building a new building?

 

Daniel Liszt  

Ah, wow. Incredible.

 

Daniel Liszt  

First of all, great intuition but also proves your point.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

I can't wait to see the new building.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Catherine put up a new report on Solari calm tell us about

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

so you've received now the state of our currencies the injection for the next one we just put up the PDF today. Yes, visions freedom. visions a friend after after a

 

Daniel Liszt  

call center together. I'm sorry.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Oh, sorry. I have a new camera. Camera. So it looks like visions of freedom is a I asked we have a wonderful column called Food for the Soul. It's one of my favorite things about Sicily report. And it's written by Nina hein. She calls herself yours, your culture scout? And she

 

Daniel Liszt  

knows videos with her.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Yeah, yeah. But she, she's a museum lover and an art lover. And she's traveled all over the world. And she knows I mean, what she knows about our she's like an encyclopedia talking with her is like talking to encyclopedia. And she loves art anyway. So I said to Nina, I want you you know, we've we've done state of our currencies and the object for for that's very heavy. It's a lot of really heavy. And I said, We need a vision. I was very inspired by the comments in August. And I said, We need a vision of what artists tell us about freedom, because we need to recommit to freedom. So I want you to write a series of pieces about freedom. I also want you to do a series of pieces about comments and art. And then you know, I love the Gideon story. So, you know what have artists said about Gideon and getting into armies? So she did she went to town. And I have to tell you, it's the most beautiful wrap up we've ever done. It's so we talked about I can't you'll be able to rip pages out frame it and decorate your whole apartment.

 

Unknown Speaker  

And answer answered.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

Well, she goes around and negotiates gets the permissions for these things. Ah, it's beautiful. Anyway, so we'll put the PDF up today. And then of course you get you'll get the mailing and then the next one that comes out is the going direct reset, which is already up all of these are up in the web presentations. Yes, but the hardcopy the going direct would I want to get to the printer sometime in the next two three weeks and then get it out to you.

 

Daniel Liszt  

Okay.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

JOHN Titus

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

drilling down on the on what the central bankers are doing and you cannot understand any of this. Unless you understand what the central bankers are doing. That's the going direct. We are watching the going direct reset, it's all rolling out. And and it you know, you can watch the video you can read the presentation on the web, it's printed out. It's fantastic.

 

Catherine Austin Fitts  

So,

 

Daniel Liszt  

it's this is the information that people need to deal with the things that they're saying. That's what gives them such a leg up on it. state of our currencies, injection fraud, and the new one visions of freedom. This is kind of the Troika right now. Right, Catherine amazing information. Let's do one more hour here. And we'll get that for dark journalists subscribers directly in your inbox. Remember, you can go to dark journalists calm. Katherine's work is all available at Solari calm her Solari reports are there. And I can't tell you just how important Her work is right now as we face these major Crossroads for humanity. We'll be back next Friday with the X series at APM CSN