1
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000
Good morning and welcome to New Heaven New
Earth.

2
00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,000
Last year, we did a program with Itzhak
Bentoff, a Boston-based researcher

3
00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000
into the relationship between consciousness
and the cosmos,

4
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000
and based upon a book which he wrote called
"Stalking the Wild Pendulum."

5
00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000
This book has since become somewhat of a
bestseller among people

6
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000
who are interested in the relationship
between consciousness and the cosmos,

7
00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,000
and we wanted to, once again, get an
opportunity this morning to speak with Mr.

8
00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000
all the other kind things you can say.

9
00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000
The interesting thing about him is that he
has, over the years,

10
00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000
conducted research into consciousness.

11
00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000
The subtitle of his book is "The Mechanics of
Consciousness,"

12
00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000
and what we want to try to talk about today
is one aspect of it,

13
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000
and that is the evolution of consciousness.

14
00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,000
than the theory of evolution that Darwin came
up with in the mid-19th century,

15
00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000
and ever since then, all of our thought has
been along the ideas

16
00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000
that somehow we have evolved as human beings
to being who we are today.

17
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:48,000
The question I want to ask you is, where do
you see us now in that evolutionary

18
00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:00,000
then we know that we have evolved from the
apes towards humans,

19
00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:07,000
and now we've finally come to a point where
we're humanoid in shape,

20
00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000
we're vertical spines, we're reasonably
intelligent,

21
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,000
we can push buttons on TV, drive cars, et
cetera, et cetera.

22
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000
but don't worry, it's not very scientific.

23
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:29,000
Let me draw what is called a bell curve,
which looks somehow like this.

24
00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000
It's being used in describing random events,

25
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000
and the way this works is the following,

26
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,000
that if we assume now, let's take a following
situation,

27
00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,000
take a little town that has maybe a thousand
people in it,

28
00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000
and therefore we go out with the yards that
can start measuring these people.

29
00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:03,000
Well, we find that a very small, very few
number of people will be, say, three feet

30
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,000
and very, very few of them will be maybe
seven or eight feet tall.

31
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,000
that is the average or mean height of these
people would be about five feet,

32
00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,000
and six or eight inches, something like this.

33
00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:28,000
Okay, so what we find here is that this bell
curve gives us a good picture

34
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000
of where most of the population is, that is
what typifies the population.

35
00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:45,000
The bulk of the population today is this
intelligent, moralizing, intelligent biped...

36
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:54,000
and with a vertical spine, and who pushes the
buttons on TV and drives a car, etc., etc.

37
00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:01,000
Now, there is some back throw, that is there
are some people here in this area,

38
00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000
they beat their chest when they see their
neighbors and a few other things,

39
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:15,000
and then we have other people who are here in
this corner, very few of them,

40
00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:24,000
who are very highly developed, because we say
that evolution is now pushing mankind in t...

41
00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,000
away from the gorilla types, towards the very
highly evolved feet.

42
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,000
This curve is going to shift, it's going to
shift like this,

43
00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000
that is the bulk of the population will be
very, very highly evolved,

44
00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000
we have gone away all together from the
gorilla types, no more gorillas,

45
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:56,000
and what we have here now is the average man
is now the retarded person, in evolutionar...

46
00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:07,000
and the cutting edge of evolution here, these
are very, very highly evolved people,

47
00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,000
we can't even imagine what kind of person
that will be,

48
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000
we may not have a physical body at all.

49
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000
What is the habitat, so to speak, of this
group here?

50
00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,000
Well, you just go out and you find them, they
are all over the place.

51
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000
I suggest that you would find them in
universities,

52
00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000
you'd find the people who are very bright,

53
00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,000
people who are in the leading edge of
professions, that is an intellectual thing.

54
00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,000
Well, I suggest that you find them in mental
hospitals, in nut houses.

55
00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:59,000
in a reality which is very changed, and few
of them are adapted to live in this reality,

56
00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000
so naturally they can't function very well.

57
00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,000
So the only safe place, the only good place
for them would be the mental hospital,

58
00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000
Now if they can integrate it, then we have
people like Newton, like Darwin,

59
00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,000
like Faraday, these are the so-called genius.

60
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,000
The thing that I'm not certain that we have
talked about is, what is it that is evolving?

61
00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000
Let's put it this way.

62
00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000
by skeletal bones and muscles and tissue,
etc., etc.

63
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:49,000
Now, the nervous system is that thing that
gives us the picture of our realities,

64
00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,000
that is, our realities, that reality which
you see all around you,

65
00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000
the flowers and the chairs and the
microphones and the teacups,

66
00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000
is given to us by our senses.

67
00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,000
We hear only a limited scale of vibrations,
like for instance,

68
00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000
we hear any more from 52 to 20,000 maximum.

69
00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000
In other words, all our senses are limited.

70
00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:26,000
So, with these limited senses, we naturally
are seeing through a very narrow kind of tube

71
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:39,000
Now, as you're evolving, what happens is that
that slit opens up more and more and more.

72
00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:46,000
So, you see more and more of that reality,
and we assume that we see different

73
00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:54,000
They're not very different realities, but
rather a very extended, broad view of one

74
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,000
That is what people saw just a bear maybe
4,000 years ago.

75
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000
Nowadays, we see hundreds and thousands of
colors.

76
00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000
That is, our visual system has evolved.

77
00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,000
Our fellow mammals, like cows and horses, see
only black and white.

78
00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000
So, this is one example of the evolution of
the nervous system.

79
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000
The senses are an extension of our nervous
system.

80
00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:31,000
Before you were talking about the people who
were the mutants, either being in the ment...

81
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:40,000
These are people who have expanded
perception, and hence they can see a reali...

82
00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000
What is the nature of that reality which
they're able to see?

83
00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,000
We can take an example, say, well, let's take
a simple example.

84
00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:06,000
The family sitting at dinner table, and say
there's a kid maybe 15 years old, 16 years

85
00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,000
"Hey Ma, look at this, our dead grandmother
is standing in the corner."

86
00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,000
And she says, "Well, kiddo, there's something
wrong with you, you need help."

87
00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000
You're crazy.

88
00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:29,000
So, she takes him up to the friendly
neighborhood psychiatrist, and the same th...

89
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000
Psychiatrists will ask him, "Well, kiddo,
what do you see?"

90
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,000
"Well, you see, well, don't you see Dr. over
there in the corner, don't you see this

91
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:53,000
Well, and then a psychiatrist says, "Oh,
young fella, you're in troubles," and then...

92
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,000
and pretty soon, in a matter of two weeks,
kid is back in shape very normal.

93
00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000
No longer sees anything.

94
00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000
No longer sees anything, yeah.

95
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000
So the process has been reversed.

96
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,000
And what you would say is that there's a good
chance that that kid is seen.

97
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,000
Very good chance that the kid has a
spontaneous opening of his senses.

98
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000
So that the evolution has been rushed up or
hurried up?

99
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000
Yeah.

100
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:46,000
But it happens very often, spontaneously,
without someone trying to do anything abou...

101
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:53,000
And then naturally, in the olden days, these
kinds of things used to be called miracles.

102
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000
Well, let's take this.

103
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000
That's interesting, isn't it?

104
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:08,000
Because you think of what you call the
spontaneous opening of expanded awareness.

105
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000
Correct.

106
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000
I mean, that's sort of a lot of words to say
something.

107
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,000
But in an earlier time, it was called a
miraculous occurrence.

108
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000
Yeah.

109
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000
An ever-lated consciousness.

110
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000
Right.

111
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000
You know, a time of great revelation.

112
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000
Of sure.

113
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000
God speaking to you.

114
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000
He's going or walking or riding to Damascus
in the olden days.

115
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:40,000
And suddenly, this big ball of white light
descends, and as Jesus standing in the bal...

116
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,000
And he's very impressed, and he's even
blinded, and he falls down.

117
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000
And one thing and another.

118
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000
But anyway, he makes it somehow to Damascus.

119
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:07,000
He got the church built, and the
Judeo-Christian ethic came out of this, an...

120
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000
So we've got something.

121
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:18,000
Now, suppose the same thing would happen, and
this fellow, so St. Paul, say, is driving

122
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000
Route 128 doesn't go to Damascus.

123
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000
Well, it does go to Damascus.

124
00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000
It goes to Dettop.

125
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:40,000
So, okay, so then this fellow is driving, and
suddenly this big ball of light descends i...

126
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:47,000
And so, sure enough, there's a cop behind
him, and he says, "Ooh, you know," and get...

127
00:12:51,000 --> 00:13:00,000
And this fellow is so impressed, and he keeps
babbling something about Jesus and all tha...

128
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000
So he arrests him and takes him in the
station.

129
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:11,000
Then what happens is that he comes to the
station, and then they tell him, "Well, he

130
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000
So they call an ambulance and send him off to
the mental hospital.

131
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000
That's it.

132
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000
And this is what we did to the miracle.

133
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000
We took the miracle, and we grounded that
really to gray powder.

134
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000
So no one miracles.

135
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,200
Everybody's complaining that during the Bible
times, on every page of the Bible you have...

136
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,200
That's what we're doing to the miracles.
We're just flattening it out.

137
00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,200
What is it that is evolving? You talked about
the nervous system evolving, right?

138
00:13:54,200 --> 00:14:02,200
But is there something else that is evolving
that is able to be sensitive to this highe...

139
00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,200
It's a kind of non-physical thing, highly
theoretical.

140
00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,200
And so when you go to church, you take this
soul out of the closet and polish it up a

141
00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,200
and then you go to church and you are the one
with your soul.

142
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,200
Then you come back and put back in the closet
till next week.

143
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,200
I mean, we don't have souls, but it's just
the other way around. The soul has us.

144
00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:50,200
So that is that thing that evolves, the
permanent, eternal thing is the soul and t...

145
00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:07,200
So the driver is the soul who uses the body
for a while and then he runs it into the

146
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:13,200
And so it's the soul which is experiencing
evolution and not our personality, not our

147
00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:19,200
That is the soul is the repository of
information that we gather during life.

148
00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:31,200
Physical bodies are here, another physical
body, another physical body, and this is J...

149
00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,200
Now clearly, this is the physical level.

150
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,200
Now on this physical level, we are all
separate. You sit there and I sit here and...

151
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:47,200
Now let's draw another level. This level is
slightly higher and let's call this the le...

152
00:15:52,200 --> 00:16:00,200
Let's draw this person as extending to
practically infinity this way.

153
00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:08,200
Now look what happens. At the physical level,
we are separate. We are separate and there...

154
00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:25,200
That is the souls are in a way in touch with
each other. Okay, they overlap these two

155
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:35,200
Now let's go now to a higher level and let's
call this, say, the level of the higher se...

156
00:16:49,200 --> 00:17:01,200
There is more overlap between them. On the
very highest level, which is the highest

157
00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:19,200
In other words, we have become omnipresent.
This is the state of highly spiritual,

158
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,200
Okay.

159
00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,200
Okay, and so that we exist on all of those
simultaneous ones.

160
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,200
On all of those simultaneous ones, but we are
not aware of them.

161
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,200
Correct.

162
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:40,200
And so whether we like it or not, we are all
evolving towards Godhood. But you know, it

163
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,200
Is that the purpose of evolution?

164
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,200
Naturally.

165
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:52,200
Because at that point, you start
understanding how the system works and one...

166
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,200
What does it want to teach you?

167
00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:09,200
Well, if you are omnipresent and you are all
knowing, that is the state which the syste...

168
00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:15,200
Because the system is an intelligence or
information-gathering system.

169
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,200
And it's also freely distributing that
information.

170
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:42,200
And it has a nervous system which we at this
particular point in time understand as bei...

171
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:48,200
And that's sort of what we call material,
ordinary reality that enables us to drive

172
00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:10,200
And the thing which is going to be pushed is
our soul and that at some point we will ha...

173
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,200
What if we like it or not?

174
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:27,200
Yeah. Well, you use the meditative techniques
which push the nervous system a lot faster

175
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,200
Those techniques are available but you don't
need to do anything that's going to happen

176
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,200
It's going to happen.

177
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,200
What a view. It's a very big, bright view.