1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:17,000 I think my mother was targeted, and my mother was not well mentally. 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:27,000 I say she was a psychopath. I think that's what she is. At nine years old, I ended up 3 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 The Drasi Show. 4 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Drasi Show. I'm your boy Drasi. Today I have a v... 5 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Annika, how are you doing? 6 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Good, thank you. 7 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:40,000 So it took me 30 years of healing, really, before I felt ready to speak out, before I 8 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:05,000 So how old were you when it happened, and who put you into that kind of environment? 9 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:29,000 And then through the cult, let's say, through the secret societies and the satanic group... 10 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,000 I say she was a psychopath. I think that's what she is. 11 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:47,000 And there were always other children. They were from Holland, and they used to say th... 12 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:06,000 And after a year of this grooming, that's to say, I think I should say they were groomi... 13 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:09,000 The leader of that group in Belgium was the then Minister of National Defence. His nam... 14 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:28,000 He was the boss, and he was working together with the royal family as well as aristocra... 15 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:11,000 And then I was trafficked sort of around the western world, and all the events that I 16 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:26,000 And then with that platform, I would be better able to reach the most powerful men... 17 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:22,000 That really got me out. And that ended up costing him his life. But it got me out at 18 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,000 You know, he knows the secret society. What would he risk his life to save you? 19 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Small Epstein. But there's, there's one thing I wanted to ask you. And the question I wa... 20 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:05,000 My biological father was had a one night stand with my mother. 21 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:12,000 And she did tell him that he was pregnant he offered an abortion. And then that was the 22 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:49,240 and had sort of a, he was an enabler for sure, he was extremely passive, but he was 23 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,080 more passive with regards to me because I was not his daughter. 24 00:13:54,080 --> 00:14:01,320 So he felt that she came with me, you know, he married when I was three, he married my 25 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,320 mother when I was three. 26 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,040 He was also gone a lot, he was away a lot for work for months at a time. 27 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,800 But when he was there and he had every chance to see, and I described that in my book 28 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:23,879 I tried to also just tell him one time and then his denial, which was extreme anyway, 29 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:30,500 it turns into victim blaming, you know, where he basically says he doesn't believe me. 30 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,040 I was six years old or eight years old, or whatever, whatever when I was six years old 31 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,560 when I tried to talk to my mother, it's not as if I was telling them, I was taken to an 32 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,720 orgy where I was raped and humiliated, I was obviously didn't have that vocabulary, I was 33 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:55,840 just trying to say that bad things that happened or with my stepfather, it was a 34 00:15:01,180 --> 00:15:08,180 a story that was obviously, you know, to justify my absence and been gone for five 35 00:15:08,180 --> 00:15:13,380 So I just tried to tell him it wasn't true and he didn't believe me. 36 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:20,220 So yes, so my mother was very active, but she was very secretive. 37 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,740 She kept a lot of other secrets from him as well. 38 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,200 It takes a lot of work to be that blind. 39 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,840 How did you get to the stage where you were allowed to talk about this? 40 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Because if these people are elites, they are secretive, and at one point they were going 41 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,560 to kill you, why would they allow you to go out there, survive and have so many secrets 42 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,560 come out? 43 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Well, I'm not allowed to speak at all. 44 00:15:55,460 --> 00:16:00,420 And during my five years in the network, it was made very clear to me I was threatened 45 00:16:00,420 --> 00:16:07,100 very graphically, I witnessed murders, I was made to commit murders. 46 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,940 This was all to make sure that I would never speak. 47 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:14,380 I was also told, because these are people in the government, that whomever I would speak 48 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:28,800 make sure that that person was punished or killed, and that I, not just I, they would 49 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,180 find out and I would be punished or killed, but they, whomever I involved, whomever I 50 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:36,840 would try to tell, they would be punished or killed. 51 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840 So so far. 52 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Sorry to cut you. 53 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:39,840 Yeah. 54 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,840 But at age 11, I'm sorry. 55 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Sorry Annika, sorry to cut you. 56 00:16:44,980 --> 00:16:45,980 I'm speaking to you. 57 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:47,420 Or punished, yeah, whatever that means. 58 00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:48,420 Okay. 59 00:16:48,420 --> 00:16:49,420 So I'm speaking to you, right? 60 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:54,100 And I've seen several interviews of those who have been punished, have they been killed? 61 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:58,900 Well, it always depends on what they can do and what they can get away with it. 62 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:02,100 This was 1974 that I was rescued. 63 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,299 And then they left me alone. 64 00:17:04,299 --> 00:17:09,380 In fact, I think they might have thought that I was dead because the gangster who wanted 65 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,279 I had a near death experience. 66 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,840 And when I came to, there was no one left in the room but the gangster. 67 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:28,680 So I don't even know if he ever told anyone that I was still alive or not. 68 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,559 But either way, I was free, completely free. 69 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,200 And of course, I didn't speak out. 70 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,720 And when I started to speak to a therapist, I was so afraid. 71 00:17:45,059 --> 00:17:46,700 so much anyway already. 72 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:53,180 So there was always even, even when I was in the network, there were, at times when I 73 00:17:53,180 --> 00:17:58,500 was going to school, for example, I didn't know anything, or it was actually the 74 00:17:58,500 --> 00:17:59,500 in the last year. 75 00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:05,300 He asked me questions from before and it started to remember things because he aske... 76 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:11,320 When they started to come back, I didn't believe it. 77 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,360 When I was in my 20s, I had flashbacks, but I didn't believe. 78 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:15,680 I had no context for this. 79 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,279 I thought this is crazy. 80 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:18,279 I'm crazy. 81 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:22,920 I don't know what's happening to me. 82 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,279 It took a long while before I could put it in a context. 83 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:34,519 And in 1996, the Dutou case happened in Belgium, which was sort of an internationa... 84 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:45,059 kidnapping children and they ended up finding four bodies of children and rescuing two 85 00:18:45,059 --> 00:18:48,320 girls from dungeons in Belgium. 86 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,099 So everybody suddenly knew about the network and everyone was on board. 87 00:18:53,099 --> 00:18:57,940 And then eight years later, that's how long it took for this case to go to trial. 88 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,059 Thirty people died who were ready to testify about the network. 89 00:19:09,059 --> 00:19:17,059 And it was a massive, massive operation to shut everything down that was successful in 90 00:19:17,059 --> 00:19:18,059 Belgium. 91 00:19:18,059 --> 00:19:25,660 But meanwhile, I had my context and I started to just remember more and more. 92 00:19:27,579 --> 00:19:31,500 First of all, I felt safe because I wasn't even on the same continent as where most of 93 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:37,660 this stuff had happened, even though I had also been brought to the United States. 94 00:19:37,660 --> 00:19:42,340 And then, you know, I didn't think to speak publicly at all. 95 00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:43,340 I didn't want to. 96 00:19:43,340 --> 00:19:47,820 In fact, during the Dutou case, they were asking people to come forward, which I didn't 97 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:50,099 really quite know that because I wasn't living in Belgium. 98 00:19:55,579 --> 00:19:58,300 I didn't feel ready. 99 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:01,800 And it took another 15 years or so. 100 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,820 I mean, I came to a place in my healing. 101 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:12,740 Now I've been healing over 20 years already, where it's just like, well, I'm not answering 102 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:15,820 certain questions because I'm avoiding talking about this. 103 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:18,019 Now that I don't like. 104 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:27,500 So I started to just speak about it in the context of the work I was doing, which was 105 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:32,740 I was working in prisons, I was bringing yoga into prisons, and I was leading a nonprofit 106 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:37,539 organization doing that in New York, New York City and state. 107 00:20:37,539 --> 00:20:44,700 So the reason why I was doing that was obviously related to my own childhood and 108 00:20:51,220 --> 00:20:56,220 And they're also, while they're incarcerated, being treated like the lowest of the low as 109 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:57,539 I was treated in the network. 110 00:20:57,539 --> 00:21:01,380 So I relate it very strongly to their situation. 111 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:11,940 And I just started to talk about it and not answer rather than, and that's how it 112 00:21:16,019 --> 00:21:23,039 And in the beginning, maybe more sensational, but I was just saying yes to, I never said 113 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:31,779 yes to everything, you know, it's certainly a growth journey, how to speak out and what 114 00:21:31,779 --> 00:21:32,779 to say. 115 00:21:32,779 --> 00:21:39,360 But, but then as soon as I did start to speak out, I got network interference again. 116 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:43,300 Yes. 117 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:44,300 So who raised you? 118 00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:47,579 Because you're a woman now, you're a highly intelligent woman, I'm having a conversation 119 00:21:47,579 --> 00:21:48,579 with you. 120 00:21:48,579 --> 00:21:52,099 Your mom obviously was not an intelligent person and she couldn't be trusted. 121 00:21:52,099 --> 00:21:55,019 Who raised you into the woman that you are now? 122 00:21:55,019 --> 00:22:02,300 Well I had to go back to my parents and the only difference was that my mother couldn't 123 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:07,940 take me to the network anymore, which she tried. 124 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,519 She also tried to then kill me herself. 125 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:23,880 So after that, she molested me and that was her last, like, big move. 126 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,559 Sorry, your own mother molested you? 127 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,880 Yes, my mother had no boundaries. 128 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,039 So what was your stepdad doing about this and your stepdad stopper? 129 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:33,800 Was he that passive? 130 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,800 He was that passive. 131 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,800 He wasn't there. 132 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:41,180 previously. 133 00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:42,180 Sorry. 134 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:43,180 Sorry. 135 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:46,420 It's not like he was going to do anything about it. 136 00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:50,300 But what she did with that, that was sort of her last move. 137 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:54,780 The reason she was so furious was not just that she couldn't take me anymore, it was 138 00:22:54,780 --> 00:23:00,619 that I was aware of everything and I was going against her. 139 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:15,640 So she couldn't allow me to say anything that was not her narrative, which was that she 140 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,559 was a perfect mother. 141 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:25,920 So after she molested me, the shame that I felt from being molested by my mother, I felt 142 00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:39,940 her, you know, she had the power again and I was her, whatever she needed me to be. 143 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:42,140 And then I left home very early. 144 00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:45,539 I was pretty much out of the house at 15. 145 00:23:45,539 --> 00:23:51,380 I left school at 15 and at 16, I was living in someone else's place at 17. 146 00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:53,300 I lived by myself. 147 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,920 should live my life. 148 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:13,240 And those were very specific and detailed and were relating to prostitution, drugs, 149 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,960 where I should live. 150 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,640 And I followed everything very, very carefully. 151 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,759 So from 16, I've been independent. 152 00:24:25,460 --> 00:24:26,460 Did you ever marry? 153 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:27,700 Did you ever have children? 154 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:30,180 What was intimacy like for you? 155 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:32,660 Did you ever feel comfortable around sex? 156 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:36,860 Like, this must have traumatized the point where you weren't too sure who's real and 157 00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:38,340 who's not real, right? 158 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:45,380 Yeah, I definitely have never healed that part of my, yeah, no. 159 00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:50,700 So when I was younger, I was completely dissociated during sex and it was like I w... 160 00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,280 So I started practicing yoga, but I was 30 already. 161 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,720 But that brought me back into my body. 162 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:09,960 My life was very much determined by those directions I was given by the gangster. 163 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,920 Not engaging in prostitution, you know, at 16 years old, I was in the Red District in 164 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,920 Antwerp. 165 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,880 I would have become a prostitute, but except I didn't because of those directions. 166 00:25:28,579 --> 00:25:29,579 addicted to drugs. 167 00:25:29,579 --> 00:25:32,059 I mean, it's very big. 168 00:25:32,059 --> 00:25:37,059 The directions were you can take drugs when they're given to you, but you can never do 169 00:25:37,059 --> 00:25:40,340 anything to get them and you can never buy them. 170 00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:42,860 So there it doesn't leave much, does it? 171 00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:47,019 So I haven't really been able to. 172 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,680 And then he also said that I should move from Belgium and I should leave Belgium. 173 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,980 That I should move to and he said London, Paris, New York. 174 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:09,079 So I lived in all three places and I'm still in New York. 175 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,360 Did you ever marry? 176 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,140 but I should marry someone my age from a wealthy family. 177 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:30,700 And he added prefer, preferably a family of New York bankers. 178 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:34,460 And that was my husband and New York banker. 179 00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:35,460 Yeah. 180 00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:38,000 Did your husband know about your past? 181 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,000 What happened to you? 182 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,280 I mean, it was all very big. 183 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:51,320 I had not really found the real story there. 184 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,680 It was still flashbacks and so forth. 185 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:59,320 I knew about sexual abuse. 186 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:07,240 I mean, I had recovered quite a few memories, but the flashbacks of the network, I never 187 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,019 So I couldn't really go anywhere with it. 188 00:27:15,019 --> 00:27:18,680 So it wasn't also that conscious in my mind like I have survived this. 189 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,039 I didn't even have a name for it either. 190 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,480 So, but when I was married. 191 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:26,840 have a name for it either. So but when I was married and because of the situation that 192 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,120 through that marriage I ended up being able to go to therapy a lot and also go to yoga... 193 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:38,920 focus on healing. So that's what I did. And then I found a therapist finally he was op... 194 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:53,160 and it's also the marriage didn't survive because of it you know. You're the first 195 00:27:53,160 --> 00:28:02,600 met that has been a victim of a satanic ritual. You know I've heard about these 196 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800 because you were quite young they could have just been a bunch of pedophiles that wante... 197 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,440 How did you know it involved I don't know dark forces or satan? 198 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Well the first years I didn't know and because I think in Belgium they were a bun... 199 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,640 and not just pedophiles they were also having sex with other people that's why they were 200 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:50,360 or whatever you know. But when I was nine I was subjected to a satanic ritual and that... 201 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:07,560 but vaulted you know a vaulted basement of a very large church. There was an ancient altar 202 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:17,400 on which a child was sacrificed and that was done. I was only there because I was being 203 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,000 but it was also 204 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:40,600 it's like you could cut the energy 205 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:48,200 and the pain of the little boy his screams 206 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,360 those people it got them excited and angry at the same time 207 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,280 and so they were more violent 208 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:10,440 and I was being raped so this man he got off on that they got off on the 209 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:18,519 sort of again it's a cover for sadism and I met I came across a lot of sadists 210 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:29,800 killed children but they weren't doing it in that context of the ritual with the hoods 211 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:37,160 literally pointed hoods or other hoods but they were black robes they were wearing 212 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:45,880 and this man he was naked underneath that robe so he could rape me 213 00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:03,400 only in the physical but they believe that killing doesn't mean anything because 214 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,840 the soul the consciousness isn't going to die so that that soul is just going to be reborn 215 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,680 now I believe that also but 216 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,840 like I think when you're a psychopath like nothing eventually nothing means anything 217 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:32,519 and so you have a lot of people doing it and they get the power the money the prizes th... 218 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:42,280 and so it seems like it pays off it pays off in the world to do to engage in those thin... 219 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:54,280 do you feel that I mean are you a religious person do you believe in God 220 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:01,160 I do do you feel that God will believe was your hand that committed the murders or do 221 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:08,600 God will understand that your hand was forced of course God understands I mean I felt God 222 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,039 and then of course in the near-death experience it was a very beautiful experie... 223 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:35,640 and was about that too because the I was made to kill in the mind control training 224 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,200 and then it's done in a way so that you know that there's 225 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,720 no way out you cannot not do it if you don't do it it's worse for the victim 226 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:58,200 so you feel like you do it out of mercy you have to do it or else it's going to be worse 227 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,840 for the victim so then you'd says it just only leaves you to do it so then you want ... 228 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:17,640 that you're really good at it but before leaving the network so when I when this de... 229 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:23,800 the deal was that I had to go through what they call an exit ritual that is to say th... 230 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:42,440 on earth I wanted to do but I also knew that if I would say no that it would be worse f... 231 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:07,080 and then going through it and then I died myself and in the near-death experience 232 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:16,119 you know I needed that experience of bliss and being shown I was greeted on the other 233 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:24,039 and this is what I'm supposed to learn in this life know that no my hand was forced 234 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:32,039 I would never have done it of my own but also for my personal journey it's it was also very 235 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:39,159 important that I learn to understand the worst criminals on earth which is those wh... 236 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:58,920 though my hand was forced having gone through the experience allows me to really underst... 237 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:17,720 nevertheless find understanding I think if we seek understanding even for the 238 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:37,880 whoa but um Anika I'm gonna cut the interview but before we do is there anything you wan... 239 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:47,400 no I'm grateful to speak and I'm grateful people are listening and I'm grateful for ... 240 00:35:53,640 --> 00:36:02,920 it's been a pleasure thank you very much Anika have a lovely day you too bye bye 241 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:09,320 guys thank you very much for watching the drasi show that was Anika please make sure 242 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,680 her book the link will be in the description and please make sure you like comment shar...