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We look at the Giza Plateau and we look at the pyramids and we think,

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wow, that's incredible, look at the achievements, but what about under the ground?

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There was a whole network of rooms and cavities underneath the Sphinx.

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The entire area of Giza may have an entire subterranean area underneath it.

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You realize the implications of what you're saying.

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You're saying that NASA figured out that we're actually living in these sort of

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civilizational cycles and they're hiding it.

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And in order to cover it up, they blocked all knowledge of the binary star companion

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so that that whole cycle would not be understood.

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You're of the opinion that this dead star is headed towards the sun now?

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Yes.

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When do you think these underground cities were built?

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That's the ultimate question.

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Nobody knows.

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And it was sealed and buried and concealed by the flood.

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Do you think this is what we call Atlantis?

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I would say that it's what we're looking for for the lost civilizations.

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Matt LaCroix, I could not be more excited to have you, man.

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This has been a long time coming.

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I've seen a couple of your episodes with Julian Dory.

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And it's really serendipitous because I'm in L.A.

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I interviewed Graham Hancock two days ago.

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And I feel like he takes things to a certain point.

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He's done an amazing job along with Randall Carlson and many others as far as, I think,

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really proving out the Younger Dryas impact theory.

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This idea that at the latter end of the last ice age, there was maybe this comet airburst

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from the torrid meteor stream that wiped out some proto-civilization, some civilization that existed prior to ours.

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He speculates as to what that civilization is.

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He talks about the Atlantean myth, which comes from Plato.

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But I think where Graham falls short, and he'll admit he falls short at times,

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is actually proving out that that proto-civilization definitely existed, characterizing them.

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Who were they?

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What did they do?

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What were their mythologies?

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How did they live?

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What technology did they have?

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And I think you're sort of taking things to a whole other level with your work as far as, you know,

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really discovering what this civilization was all about and, you know, what they were building.

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And you're figuring out conflations that were made between this civilization and other civilizations that are much less old.

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And so I couldn't be more excited to have you, man.

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Thanks, Jesse.

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It's great to be here.

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I'm looking forward to this conversation, definitely.

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Yeah, it's going to be a blast.

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So, okay, I want to start in the most basic possible kind of starting point.

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And so how did you get into the idea that there's sort of this big civilizational cover-up?

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There's, you know, the civilization before ours, it got wiped out.

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How did you get into that idea to begin with?

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Well, I've had this natural curiosity for a lot of my life, you know,

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seeing early movies that showed lost civilization type of concepts and advanced things that were long ago,

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long before we're told.

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And I have to give a lot of credit to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

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They definitely spearheaded me a lot of early on in my journey of understanding this

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and kind of doing that wow factor of like, wait a minute.

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So things perhaps are very different than we're taught in school

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and in which archaeology positions themselves on giving an idea of what our history looks like

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in what's called a gradualism kind of way, right?

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Where we were primitive once, long ago, hunter-gatherers.

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And then our current era of going from Iron Age, Bronze Age, you know, up until our current age is just linear growth.

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And that's all we've been taught.

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But really, to me, if you look at all the evidence that's been mounting, right?

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I just got back from Turkey with Dr. Robert Schock,

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who is one of the main players that was brought over by John Anthony West to go investigate the Sphinx enclosure

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to see if it is truly wind erosion, as archaeologists and geologists had postulated,

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or whether or not it's really water erosion.

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Because that really matters because it takes that whole dating of the idea of the Sphinx being created at a much, much earlier time.

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And that's where a lot of this blossomed is those kinds of things.

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Well, let's set this up for the audience real quick.

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So if you were to talk to, like, the, you know, Egypt Ministry of Culture,

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they would tell you, you know, that the Sphinx was built in, you know, modern Egyptian kingdom.

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Yeah.

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And, in fact, what people like Robert Schock and John Anthony West have found

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is that there's water erosion damage on the nose of the limestone of the Sphinx,

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and that this would show that there's some sort of maybe tropical climate that had originally existed in.

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And people like Graham Hancock have followed up on this to say that maybe actually,

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it was a lion to begin with fully.

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And so this lined up with the Leo, which was the constellation.

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That was the vernal equinox shift occurring in 10,500 BC around the time maybe it was actually built.

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And that much later it was sort of retrofitted with this pharaonic headdress.

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And that's actually one of the themes that we're going to be discussing throughout this talk

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is the idea that you have a civilization emerge at a later time period.

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We'll call it – we'll start by saying the dynastic Egyptians, okay?

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Khufu and, right, Ramses and all these others that actually found and emerged out of what was a much earlier civilization that had been there.

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And what they did, and it looks like increasing evidence is showing that, is that they adopted those sites, but not only adopted them.

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They tried to claim them that they were basically the ones who built them and recarved certain things.

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Like what you said, as I believe 100% that if you look at the way that the body of the Sphinx is versus the head, the head's too small.

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Because the head was never supposed to be that size, it was built in proportion with the body.

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And like you said, I believe as well it was a lion and that it was basically what we think of as a guardian.

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The ancients believed that if you created something to be this – certain types of spirit animals, like lions and eagles and different things,

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they embodied this protective aspect.

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And so they would create – and we're going to get into that a lot of stuff with Turkey – is that they created these artifacts and these symbols and murals and statues that shows these protector creatures

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that were basically part of guarding things like ancient libraries and underground areas.

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And that's what I believe the Sphinx is, is essentially it's guarding an entire subterranean area underneath it.

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That we look at the Giza Plateau and we look at the pyramids and we think, wow, that's incredible.

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Look at the achievements.

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But what about under the ground?

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How do you think there's something under the ground there?

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Well, again, I was just in – just with Dr. Robert Schock in Turkey and we were talking extensively over dinner about how he was part in spearheading these sonar,

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these readings basically ground penetrating type of radar sonar under the ground looking at voids underneath the areas and seeing these massive, massive voids with actual objects present.

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What objects are present?

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Well, you can have cavities that water can naturally erode, right?

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Something where it's like, oh, it's like a cave underneath.

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Well, no, because they're – look like they're clearly been cut with tools or whatever they used to cut them.

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And there are – again, like I said, there are objects down there that have like blocks or things like that that are not natural.

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And we've picked that up with sonar.

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Has anybody gone down there and tried to verify?

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Well, this is the story and I'll tell this story is that when – in the 90s when they found these massive voids,

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and it's not just under the Sphinx, it's under the Great Pyramids as well.

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They all connect with these like subterranean underworld type of areas.

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They found that there was a whole network of rooms and cavities underneath the Sphinx as the first area that then led to literally all –

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the entire area of Giza may have an entire subterranean area underneath it.

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Now, we're told by things like Edgar Cayce and others that there was like an ancient library that was supposed to be underneath the Great Sphinx

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that had the records of ancient, ancient times and all these secrets and things like that.

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They called it – it was called the Halls of Amenti that led to this ancient library.

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Now, when they found these voids, we know that there are four entrances, four, underneath the Sphinx.

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There's one under the left paw.

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There's one on the top of the head and you can actually – if you go like online right now and look up like tunnel on top of the head,

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you can see it.

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It's capped off on top.

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There's one on the back side and then there's another one on the – one of the other sides of the Sphinx.

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So there's three to four entrances that are known about.

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So is the Sphinx hollow?

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No, it's made out of actually the bedrock.

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So it was an entire section of bedrock that they took all the sides away and then carved –

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But when you say an entrance coming from the head, what do you enter in?

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It's carved down into this bedrock body.

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The entire Sphinx is not made out of stones put together.

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It's made out of a bedrock foundation body.

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So it's just cut out of the bedrock.

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And so they have tunnels, especially Robert Schock determined that the one under the paw – I think it might actually be the right paw.

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So the Sphinx is like a gate.

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It's like a gateway.

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It's like a guardian that's guarding these entrances that go into like ancient libraries.

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Now –

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Why can't we go down there?

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Well, this is what happened.

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When they determined in the 90s and they had these basically types of ground-penetrating radar, like different types of ways that they were determining it to find the voids, they published them and they kind of went viral.

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And everyone's like, oh my god, what's down there?

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And the Egyptian authorities came through and they boarded up the front of the paws with boards, literal boards, and blocked it off.

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And then what they did is very clever.

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They ended up drilling down to prove to the public that there was no voids, but they purposely went where there wasn't entrances, just drilling down into rock and say, look, there's nothing here.

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And it was very, very misleading and clever so that people are like, oh, shoot.

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So there weren't really voids down there.

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It was just like an opening and that's from rainwater or something.

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And they tricked people.

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Do you think they're simultaneously going down there and excavating them?

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The question is, have they ever been down?

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There's really no answer to that to no.

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But if that was – if you knew about that and you deliberately didn't go down and then you literally boarded up, the whole front of the Sphinx is now boarded up, that would, to me, be something where you're trying to kind of silence that whole story.

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Who took the first sonar readings?

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It was – Robert Jock was part of a team, a whole team that was basically looking down and taking this type of ground penetrating radar to –

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Is he not campaigning and outraged and saying we should be going down there or what?

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There are steps that need to happen.

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There are many, many, many millions of dollars that need to be obtained and then universities that have to be brought into this.

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It's something that I know that he would potentially be interested and we would like other groups and others that are interested to come together to try to bring this back again and reignite this underground exploration of the subterranean areas of Giza.

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And I think it will happen in the future.

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And I get maybe this types of conversations are what's needed to get that started again.

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Do you have a hypothesis as to what might be down there?

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I think there are entire chambers and I think there probably is a library.

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Now, if that library was made out of paper, it wouldn't exist anymore because paper only survives for 500 to 1,000 years, which would mean that it had to be something like tablets with like type of cuneiform or hieroglyphics carved into it.

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Whatever it is would have to be able to survive literally 10,000 years underground, which is not – again, paper would never be able to, so you'd have to have other means.

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So if the Sphinx were actually built around 10,500 B.C., what sort of writing would you expect to find down in these tunnels?

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Well, that's the question is whether or not hieroglyphics like we see in any dynastic Egyptians was even the type of language that they used.

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And that's going to come up again when we talk about cuneiform as a writing style that we see throughout Mesopotamia.

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Now, to be very clear, if you were not to carve some kind of writing into stone or clay, there would simply be no method that we know exists for how to leave a message.

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Now, I'll give one caveat to that.

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There could be some type of technology that they incorporated into stone that could have a way to record information that we don't understand yet.

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I say that because there was a very specific reason that these civilizations would get certain kinds of stone.

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So they would not be like, oh, hey, look, there's some bedrock to our right or left.

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Let's go cut those blocks out of that.

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They didn't do that.

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That didn't seem to matter to them.

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In fact, the distance that they were willing to go to obtain certain stone was even irrelevant to them.

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I'll give you an example.

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All the pink granite we find throughout the Giza Plateau came from 500 miles away to the south in the Aswan Quarry.

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That was your only source of this type of pink granite, which, of course, is extremely high in silica quartz, which is the same substance that we use for watches.

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So is there something there with keep recording messages in that that we don't understand?

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I want to throw that out as a possibility so that I don't say that the only form of writing would be like cuneiform or hieroglyphics in stone.

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Do you think that the Great Pyramids of Giza were also built around that period, much earlier than this?

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Well, and this is an interesting dilemma is that, first of all, we know they're at least 10,500 B.C.

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And that's the first thing to point out because, number one, that's when we have these alignments with different star constellations.

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There's something called the king and queen's chamber that face different constellations, right?

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The queen's chamber faces Sirius.

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It's like a feminine energy.

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And the king's chamber faces Orion.

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The problem is based on what's called the precession of the equinoxes, which is how the Earth wobbles and looks at different ages and constellations, that could not have happened in modern history all the way until you get back to 10,500 B.C.

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The problem is that that was an extremely volatile time for Earth's history.

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That was during this period of the older and then the younger Dryas, which is basically when our Earth went from the Pleistocene epoch to the Holocene epoch, and we went through these catastrophic periods.

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Now, we can get into what caused them because I personally don't believe it was an impact.

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And we can get into some of the implications of how there's correlations between both and have similar evidence for what, you know, that could lead to that.

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But the problem is if you have extremely volatile periods on the Earth, it wouldn't make sense to me to be able to build these massive structures during that.

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Now, John Anthony West, and I know that Robert Shock and him had a lot of conversations around this.

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John Anthony West believed that it was a previous age in which the Sphinx was built.

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And I do as well.

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Well, the thing that never made sense to me about, you know, some of the extrapolations of the kind of Hamlet's Mill thesis, this idea that we would build, you know, architecture specifically around the Great Procession, you know, the vernal equinoxes, you know, that it's 26,000 year cycles.

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Yeah, that's the Great Year.

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That's what's called the Great Year.

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So, like, the idea that, like, you know, in 10,500 BC, that civilization that's building specific megalithic architecture would have the cosmic understanding of, you know, 26,000 years prior.

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Like, you know, they really understand these sort of macro cycles when it comes to, you know, cosmology and astronomy.

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Yeah.

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That seems hard for even me to believe.

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And so that makes me think maybe it is – look, I believe that simultaneous to what I'm saying, to play devil's advocate, you know, I do think ancient civilizations had precocious understanding of the stars.

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And they had, you know, like, you could see – look at Sumerian architecture where, you know, it feels like they understand this heliocentric universe and they have, like, all the, you know, planets in their rough alignment.

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Having said that, you know, 26,000 year cycles, that feels really crazy.

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But what do you think?

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I think we shouldn't underestimate the knowledge that these lost civilizations – and I say that.

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That's when, in quotes, lost civilizations understood and that we were completely reset, just like Graham Hancock says, right, a species with amnesia.

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We don't remember who we are.

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We don't remember what we once were and what we once understood.

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And I think that these monuments that basically are evidence, I think, left behind to be the test – the last of the test of time, built out of the hardest stones in the world, would be the perfect way to be able to have their memory and their knowledge be preserved so that someday in the future, humanity could finally find their way back.

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And I say find their way back because I believe that they had sophistication and knowledge that we simply don't have even now.

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Well, have you ever watched the movie Stargate?

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In fact, when you asked me that question of how I got into this, I would say Stargate was the first movie that truly awakened me and encapsulated me at a young age to – in wide wonder to be like, wait a minute.

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There's something else going on here.

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Well, what's always interested me is you have Aztec kings, you have Nebuchadnezzar, you have King Judea of Sumeria.

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You have all these sort of – story of pharaohs with similar stories where they get these downloads.

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And it's like you have to build this structure that's astronomically aligned in a specific way.

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And Graham Hancock talks about this as well.

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He says it probably had more to do with some sort of afterlife ritual.

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I mean traditionally, even in a lot of esoteric versions of modern religions, your soul ascends through Orion's belt.

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And there's some sort of weird ascension path.

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And so is the specific geometric structure of the pyramid somehow this conserved version of that where, you know, when you die, you go there and you sort of – it's this portal to some other world.

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So it's this concept and it's echoed throughout Hermeticism and others.

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It's known as the law of correspondence, okay?

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And now the specific science behind it is called geodesy.

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Now, geodesy is basically creating structures in very specific positions to not only match things like cardinal points and different ratios of like the Earth, sun, and the moon, but also star constellations.

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And the ancients, I believe, had mastered that knowledge and that concept in which if you build something that mirrors the stars in an exact way ratio-wise on our Earth, and you also incorporate in the corresponding aspects of Earth, sun, and moon, that you create like a synergy.

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And that may be this concept we think about with like a portal.

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It's some kind of a synergy because the Earth – listen, it's a giant – it's like a crystal magnet, okay?

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It's a crystal that's vibrating at a certain resonant frequency that has these geomagnetic poles that use this concept of magnetism.

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And, of course, Nikola Tesla believed that not only was vibration frequency and magnetism like a core of understanding everything in the universe, but he believed that even crystals have like a form of sentient life, that they vibrate in a way that other minerals and other stones don't.

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And they have some kind of an intelligence or something that we don't understand.

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And if that's the case, it means that our Earth is literally alive.

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It's a living thing, and it's like a being, but it's unlike us, and that the sun and the moon are also like that, and that we all have this connection that is deeper than we perhaps understand, and that constellations like Orion played a very pivotal part in understanding, again, like you mentioned.

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If you create that synergy between the heavens, are you creating something between like a portal between souls and different incarnation cycles and things here?

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And, of course, we can get down that road as well.

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But Geodesi, for instance, I want to go back to that really quick.

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A lot of these structures on the Earth, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, as well as things like Eridu in ancient Sumer and other locations that are built on what's called the 30th parallel.

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It's just part of the Earth that is in this quadrant zone that is basically part of like a hemisphere ratio of the Earth and other aspects.

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And when you look at the positioning of these structures all around the world, you realize that they were perfect in their time.

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But the very interesting thing that we can get into when we're talking about the civilization that I'm studying even to a greater degree in eastern Turkey is you find out that there's this type of temple called the Susi Temple, S-U-S-I, that had openings that faced only based on solar aspects of the rising and the setting sun.

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The problem is none of those Susi temples face directly west or east anymore.

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They're all off.

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And if you look around the world, you can see that many of these structures no longer are perfect in their cardinal points or their direction anymore, showing us that during these volatile times, I believe the Earth's axis shifted.

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And that would be ultimately one way you were asking earlier before we started the show, how could you date these?

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Well, one way you could date them is by looking at when they were aligned.

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And if they're not aligned now, it means that something was very different because they didn't make mistakes.

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If I were making a counterargument, I might say you are – we can't carbon date the stuff, which would be the most scientific thing to do, but you can't carbon date stone.

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No.

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And so, you know, we are then just retrofitting this current, you know, observed megalithic architecture, which is impossible to build kind of currently.

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Like, there's – nobody can really argue with that.

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The civil infrastructure and engineering necessary is just like we don't have it currently.

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Incredible, yeah.

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But we're just finding the time when it lined up astronomically and we're saying that's the time that we built it.

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Do we have more evidence that it was – it's definitely older than is conventionally understood?

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We do.

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And there's – I can give a couple examples of that.

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One of them – and again, I just got back from – with Dr. Robert Schock from Turkey.

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And there's a site called Kef Kalesi, very mysterious and enigmatic site with these giant square basalt blocks.

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And basalt is one of the hardest stones in the world.

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It's seven on the most hardness scale out of ten.

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Very, very hard stone.

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And it has these machine cuts and all of these levels of sophistication that are bizarre and mysterious.

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But on the surfaces of many of them and only on the surfaces that face above, we find melting that has taken place, literal melting of the stone.

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And Dr. Robert Schock confirmed on numerous stones that it is indeed vitrification.

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And to obtain that, you would have to have temperatures that exceeded 2,000 degrees to be able to melt this basalt into basically like glass, obsidian, on the surfaces, which is what we're seeing.

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Now, some are going to argue right now at this point.

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I want to play devil's advocate.

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They're going to say, well, fires can do that.

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Well, if you go to that area of the world that I'm talking about around Lake Vaughan, there are no trees.

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There's no wood, right?

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Was there wood back then?

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Well, if they had built – they built out of mud brick on top of these existing structures, okay?

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And they incorporated them in.

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And we're going to get much more deeper into this as we go along.

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But let's say you had timber and things built into the mud brick.

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Still, how would you have enough heat to be able to do that?

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You're talking about extreme, extreme temperature gradients.

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But also the stones are severely degraded, severely weathered and degraded from these events.

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Now, it's either things like a plasma event we could talk about.

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And you mentioned an impact, and I won't completely throw that off the table.

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But there's a third way, a massive, massive volcanic eruption.

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And that very same thing happened with a mountain called Mount Nemrut just to the southwest of Lake Vaughan, which is where all these sites are surrounding, which is not the same Mount Nemrut that has all the statues on the summit.

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There's actually two Mount Nemruts in Turkey, which is a little bit frustrating.

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This is a different Mount Nemrut that doesn't have any ancient stuff within it, but it has a giant, giant crater in which it exploded.

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And you learn that that mountain last exploded during the end of the Pleistocene during the younger and older Dryas.

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And theoretically, a volcanic explosion could layer the Earth in this sort of sheath of black smoth and block cosmic rays and cause all sorts of geological and environmental changes.

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Is that right?

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That on top of, if you're close enough to the explosion itself, you could have unbelievable amounts of heat get expelled from massive eruptions like that.

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I mean, have you ever seen, if you watch documentaries on Mount St. Helens, right, when it erupted, people were five, ten miles away observing it.

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And some of them were like, were died from the heat, completely died, trying to photograph it as that plume of super, super heated air, like thousands of degrees, was thrust down and spread around the environment.

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It was enough to literally kill people and burn them, vaporize them partially.

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So did that get us out of the ice age?

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What we're looking at is a series of two major, major events, and you have a sheet right in front of you.

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Now, the younger Dryas is consistently talked about by Graham and Randall and others, but I would like to point out that I believe equally as important is the older Dryas.

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Now, it's part of the same time period.

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Now, the older Dryas was around 14,500 years ago, whereas the younger Dryas is like 12,000 years ago.

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But they're within the same time period, but I think they played together in a very specific way where the younger Dryas is more like huge impacts on the end of a cycle, and the older Dryas are these huge impacts on the beginning of a cycle.

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And they both played critical, critical roles in ending the last ice age, which was very, very extensive in places like North America and parts of Northern Europe with both the Eurasian and Laurentide ice sheets.

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How long was the ice age just for the audience?

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Well, the ice age was well over 20,000 years.

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Now, contrary to what some might believe, there wasn't ice just covering the entire Northern Hemisphere.

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In fact, one of the anomalies that I want to point out that's very interesting is that the ice was centralized around areas that you would never imagine.

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Like, for instance, Northern Siberia was ice-free, right?

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One of the coldest places on Earth that we have today was completely ice-free.

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The ice was focused around, if you were to say a focal point, it would have been Greenland.

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And now, that has led to a lot of theories and hypotheses regarding that the North Pole, the pole was actually over Greenland and not where it is in the Arctic now, which would mean that we had a different type of hemispheric effect where the ice sheets and where different things were.

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And that may have been part of what shifted the axis of the Earth.

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Do not underestimate the weight of miles of ice.

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I mean, the Laurentide Ice Sheet in North America is estimated to have been somewhere between two and three miles deep, covering all of Canada, down into parts of the northern United States, and, of course, continuing up into Greenland.

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And then you had the Eurasian Ice Sheet.

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But these ice masses are some of the largest that Earth has ever had.

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And when you have that much weight, you can actually cause enough to not only depress, suppress surfaces down into the ground, but you can cause so much weight that it's like it almost causes like a spinning, you know, sphere to cause to almost wobble on itself because it has too much weight on the northern, on the top side.

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Interesting.

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And so this – you had this ice age for 20,000 years.

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What exactly happens in the older Dryas and then what happens in the younger Dryas in your assessment?

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Well, what we – and I've – I'm someone that spent the last 10 years extensively studying climatic events, geologic climatic events, but specifically through two things.

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The Antarctic ice cores, which, by the way, you can go back to 450,000 years to – on those ice cores, which is insane to see that.

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That's the oldest ice cap on Earth bar none.

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And that's why I don't believe the civilizations were into Antarctica because of – we have ice cores showing how old that ice cap is, OK?

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And that is why I think mountains look like pyramids there is because there's been almost – there's been little to no erosion by wind or rain or anything.

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They're almost like these giant mountains made out of certain stones that have been almost stuck in an ice cap and haven't been able to weather.

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Now –

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The Antarctica conspiracy theorists are going to be very disappointed.

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I know.

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They'll be sad about that one.

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Yeah.

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Now – but you know what we need now?

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We need real science being brought into this, and that's what I would like to bring to this conversation.

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Now, Greenland – the Greenland ice cap is only 20,000 years old.

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Hence, the last ice age around 20,000 years.

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During that is – that formed 20,000 years ago, which means that we only have ice records from Greenland cores for 20,000 years.

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But we get a snapshot of it to look back and see what it was like.

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Now, what we find is that 14,500 years ago, carbon spiked astronomically on the planet.

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And this is going to – this is, again, getting into when we look at modern times of people talking about how humans are the only reason why the climate and carbon is increasing.

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That's absolutely not the case.

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If anything, we had carbon spikes 14,500 years ago that completely dwarf the time we're in right now.

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And how that could happen is, I think, based on increased massive amounts of sunlight hitting the earth, melting things like increasing – letting methane off in the atmosphere, increasing plant growth.

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And other things would create a lot of different carbon, creating this carbon dioxide increase.

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And also, what we found is that in the Antarctic ice cores, every single time that these massive spikes of carbon occur, we get temperatures that then follow right after.

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Right after.

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Now, 14,500 years ago, we had a spike in which temperatures went from some of the coldest we've ever seen.

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And you can see it right in front of you on that sheet.

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Some of the coldest we've ever seen to levels that were even warmer than we are now.

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Whoa.

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But in only, like, a couple hundred years.

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So how does that happen?

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A coronal mass ejection is the magnetosphere of the earth, which protects us from the sun.

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Is that weakening?

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Is there a pole shift that causes the magnetosphere of the earth to weaken?

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There are all sorts of theories.

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What do you think?

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I believe that a massive CME event, unlike anything that we've ever seen in modern human history, hit the earth.

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Why do you think that?

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Well, because if you look at the spike, it's immediately, at 14,500 years ago during the Older Dryas, it's immediately followed by a drop so drastic that it ends up being colder than even the ice age.

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So you're talking about temperatures that go from an ice age that rise warmer than even now, but that only remain for, let's say, 100 years or less, and then drop colder instantly.

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Colder than even the ice age was.

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Why would that point to a coronal mass ejection?

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Because if you have a huge amount of heat that hits the earth, and again, that could also potentially argue an impact, but let's say one of the two, okay?

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What could only thing that could cause that to happen is if you have an enormous amount of fresh water from glaciers, hence the ice age, that melts instantly into the oceans, disrupting ocean currents across the world and basically collapsing things like the Gulf Stream.

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The Gulf Stream, for those who don't know, is this unbelievably warm current of water that comes off of the Caribbean and off of Florida, and it dives northeast and then basically rides over the Atlantic.

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And it's the only reason why people can live in Iceland and in Scandinavia.

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That area would be a complete barren ice wasteland if it wasn't for that.

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It's a warm propeller of energy, right, that rides up, and we have ocean currents all over the world.

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And ocean currents play a very pivotal role in moving heat around the planet and also stabilizing things like the climate.

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In fact, I think one of the things that's most not understood about our climate is the role that currents play with the oceans in our weather, in our climate of the earth.

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And that's why if, for instance, we had enough fresh water melt into and shut off the Gulf Stream, it would be enough to destabilize basically the entire planet.

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It's a very fine-tuned system of heat being driven down and moving up through, and it's a whole system.

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But if an asteroid, you know, if we hit a comet from the torrid meteor stream, and that would also cause some, you know, quick heat up versus the coronal mass ejection, why are you waiting it, you know, in favor of coronal mass ejection?

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Well, I've never seen, I've never been able to find any evidence of any impact craters anywhere on the earth that are from that age.

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Now, Graham had brought up the one in Greenland, but we know that one is over a million years old underneath the ice cap, right?

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Because the Greenland ice cap is 20,000 years old, so that would take that one off the table.

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Now, that doesn't mean that a torrid meteor shower couldn't have explosions midair, right, like we see in Tungusta in the early 1900s.

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That's possible too, but the reason I always, I lean towards CME events, coronal mass ejection events, is based around these areas of vitrification.

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And what we believe, I believe, is evidence of plasma discharges all around the world.

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And that's how you would essentially get poles moving from Antarctica, or sorry, from the Arctic over to Greenland, is you would have these events where the entire magnetosphere of the earth basically gets severely weakened.

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And then holes open up, and then you get these vitrification types of events and others.

387
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:29,400
And that, to me, the evidence is much more leaning towards a CME event than an impact, which would be more localized to certain areas of the earth, not on this global scale.

388
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:29,900
Makes sense.

389
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:32,140
Where do you see the plasma all over the world?

390
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:44,060
We see plasma events, again, some of the best evidence is out of Bolivia, out of Turkey, around Kev Kalesi and others, and we see it in Egypt as well.

391
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:46,000
There are these giant statues.

392
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:50,400
They're actually the largest stone statues in the world called the Colossae of Memnon.

393
00:36:50,400 --> 00:37:05,620
And they have burn marks only on the northeast side, which it lends us to the possibilities that these massive heat areas that opened up with the ozone may have come from the northeast.

394
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:08,080
But we still can't date the plasma, right?

395
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:09,220
No, of course we can't.

396
00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:10,180
We can't date that.

397
00:37:10,180 --> 00:37:26,020
But we can potentially start to date other things, like, for instance, maybe we can date soil cores from Lake Vaughan, or maybe we can date cores of some of these stones.

398
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:30,140
Because if you can bore in – you can't date a stone from the outside.

399
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:39,280
But if you can bore into it, you can potentially find things like organic matter deep, deep within very microscopic cracks.

400
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,480
And you have more of an ability to date them.

401
00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:43,960
That's how Gobekli Tepe was dated.

402
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,760
The only reason they were able to date Gobekli Tepe is because the site was believed to be buried.

403
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,920
You can only date organic matter if it's covered up and concealed.

404
00:37:53,380 --> 00:38:01,260
Because if it's out and it's being exposed to the elements, it alters its entire chemistry, and you can't date it the same way.

405
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:13,020
And what we're looking at right now is the potential that places like Kef Kalesi and even Ioannis – and we can get into that as we go along – may have been deliberately buried at a later time.

406
00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:13,900
Interesting.

407
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:20,260
So are you hopeful that we can date parts of these monuments that have been covered up?

408
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,980
Because you can, it seems like, date organic matter that's been buried.

409
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:30,740
Yeah, I think that we're going to be having increasing capabilities revolving around being able to date these.

410
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,500
And then using all the –

411
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:32,220
What are the capabilities?

412
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:32,960
How do you do that?

413
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,580
Well, we have new technologies coming out that enable us to be able to look at these things in a different way.

414
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:46,880
There's always new things happening with understanding the breakdown of carbon organic matter based on radioactivity and other things to find dating.

415
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:57,120
But I also think that maybe some of the techniques that we're just coming into is understanding where certain sediments and different cores can help us with dating.

416
00:38:57,260 --> 00:39:00,420
And I think that those technologies and things – and I'm not an expert in that.

417
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:15,120
I don't want to pretend to be – to be able to understand that those things can potentially be dated, but only if they come from specific environments in which something unique – excuse me, something unique occurred in which they were protected.

418
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,840
Does Robert Schock agree with your coronal mass ejection theory?

419
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,280
That's Robert Schock, actually, that he's the one who really was one of the top pioneers.

420
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:40,780
His book, Forgotten Civilizations, is the basis behind almost the entire book was that – and I can go into it briefly – is that when they were in Easter Island, his wife Katie, they were looking at this – what was thought to be a writing called Rongo Rongo.

421
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:41,580
Okay?

422
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:43,280
It's a type of writing out of Easter Island.

423
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:59,260
And when they were comparing it to things even like the Nazca Lines in Peru and other areas like maybe Mahendradaro and other types of mysterious writings that don't look like writings, one of the theories that they came up with is that they're not actually writings at all.

424
00:39:59,780 --> 00:40:09,040
They're plasma discharge designs in the sky because we know that electricity follows very specific patterns.

425
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Well, wait.

426
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,540
You're saying that the Nazca Lines were like burned into the surface of the earth?

427
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:13,840
No.

428
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,780
They were imitating potential plasma discharge events in the sky.

429
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:18,160
Really?

430
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:28,520
Because maybe they believed that those areas were touched by these events and maybe they thought they were sacred or they were showing them.

431
00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:34,760
These things – plasma discharges in the atmosphere – let me give some background on this for a second.

432
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:50,440
Well, we should – and also just for the audience's sake, Nazca I believe was like 200 BC to 600 AD-ish or something and it's in Peru and you have these – all these amazing – it seems like artwork that only makes sense from an aerial view.

433
00:40:50,440 --> 00:41:05,300
And they're, you know, over wide distances and it seems, you know, like it would involve some sort of precocious astronomical or artistic knowledge to make and it's this big sort of mystery that will play endlessly on Gaia and, you know, History Channel.

434
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:06,880
Yeah, I used to work at Gaia for two and a half years.

435
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:07,340
Did you really?

436
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Yeah, yeah.

437
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:08,140
Interesting.

438
00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:10,860
I worked on shows like Ancient Civilizations.

439
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,540
Check out season four and five if you want to see some of me in that.

440
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:15,560
I will.

441
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:21,840
No, that explains you're kind of like you have the trippiness and then you also have the, you know, hardcore, you know.

442
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:41,060
I think what's really important is marrying stuff that comes from instinct to research and empiricism and that's I think good science and I think it's kind of an alchemical process because it comes from the inside but then it's being extremely rigorous about, you know, I had this intuition but I'm not superimposing that onto reality.

443
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:45,160
Well, and also the aspect of the metaphysical nature of reality, right?

444
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:51,300
I think that's a very, it ends up being not really married together with the science aspect.

445
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,380
They tend to like be very separated, right?

446
00:41:53,460 --> 00:42:07,260
Oh, the science aspect, we're going to look at only the physical third dimensional aspects of science and evidence but really there are like a lot of things that are disconnecting is how metaphysical sides of the universe and our spirit, like spirit, right?

447
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:07,520
Yeah.

448
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,180
And those concepts have to connect and play in.

449
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:25,060
Yeah, and we paint over the past with our modern epistemic brush and we say, you know, these sites were just, you know, they were built in these sort of materialist reductionist ways and they were used for sort of prosaic reasons.

450
00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:43,040
We have no idea how these people from the past actually thought and that the word Gaia actually, you know, I like it in the context of Gaia theory, you know, James Lovelock, you know, late 19th century, that the earth itself is somewhat alive or just at least extremely resilient.

451
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,520
That's what the ancients believed.

452
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:46,600
They called it Tiamat or Gaia.

453
00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:56,820
Gaia was the Greek term but they believed that it was a living type of being that's not like us and they also believed that the sun is just the same thing.

454
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:05,520
They're like entities and then in ancient cultures had names for them like Utu was the name for the sun god, an ancient Sumer.

455
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:08,220
But let me get back to something that we were talking about that I think is important.

456
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:08,440
Yeah.

457
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,160
The plasma events, okay?

458
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:21,860
When you – if the earth was going to get hit by one of these massive CME events, which we've – it's interesting how the aurora borealis is further south than we've seen it in a very, very long time right now.

459
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,980
People are freaking out.

460
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:23,240
Right.

461
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,540
And that's potentially –

462
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:27,800
You know this guy on Twitter, Space Weather News?

463
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,240
Yeah.

464
00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:29,120
You know what I'm talking about?

465
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,320
Yeah.

466
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:38,740
He's freaking out about – you know, and I never know how seriously it would take – I mean, clearly we've seen more solar activity this year than ever and it seems to be ramping up.

467
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:44,640
And you have all these flares and he attributes that to a weakening of the magnetosphere of the earth.

468
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,400
And I agree.

469
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:47,420
And because if you look at the great year –

470
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:49,740
Should we be freaked out, Matt, or is the world about to end?

471
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:55,080
Well, if you look at the great year, which again is about – it's about 25 and a half to 26,000 years, right?

472
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:55,440
Uh-huh.

473
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Half of that is – because it's like – we call it 25,000, but it's like 24,600.

474
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,740
Half of that is 12,000 with change.

475
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:05,120
Uh-huh.

476
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:12,780
These events that occurred during the Younger Dryas with what I believe was the last CME event was 12,500 years ago.

477
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:15,400
So we're literally exactly in that time period.

478
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:15,880
That's what he said.

479
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:24,320
We're seeing these extreme warming and these plasma-like type of weakening of the magnetosphere type of events just like we saw then.

480
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,920
This is not at all scientific.

481
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:31,320
This is purely my own like – you know, it's like asserting free will or something like that.

482
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,460
Something I sort of refuse to go outside the bounds of.

483
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:43,000
So I'll admit this is kind of dogmatic, but like I just don't believe that every 12,500 years there's just a hard reset button.

484
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:45,580
Like we've got to have some sort of agency around this.

485
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:47,140
Well, let me – I can go into that if you want to.

486
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,440
I would love to get into that.

487
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,760
I actually have some evidence you probably haven't heard of yet that might blow your mind on that.

488
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,180
Please.

489
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:51,820
Okay.

490
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:57,020
So again, like I mentioned, there's always indications that these things are going to happen way ahead of time, right?

491
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:58,580
CO2, spikes.

492
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,040
Temperatures, spike.

493
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:00,400
Yeah.

494
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:03,840
You get these geomagnetic events with these aurora borealis, right?

495
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,340
You see them.

496
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:32,100
Now the next level, and if we start seeing this, we need to worry, is plasma discharge designs in the sky, which is what I was just talking about with Dr. Robert Schock's theory on like a rongo-rongo text and even potentially the Nazca lines is that they're actually these geometric formations that occur in the sky based on massive amounts of what are called charged solar particles that come into our upper atmosphere.

497
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:36,420
And they create these very interesting electromagnetic designs, okay?

498
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Now, I want to discuss something that might be new to you.

499
00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:48,800
And if you're interested in seeing an image of what I'm talking about, it's on the bottom of my main page of my website, thestageoftime.com.

500
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:55,380
In 1987, there was an encyclopedia that came out called the New Science Encyclopedia, okay?

501
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:01,560
And this is back before computers were really up and running or we didn't have that capability.

502
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:05,160
So information, you really got through like encyclopedias, right?

503
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,200
That's where things came through.

504
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:18,380
Well, it had this unbelievable image on, I think, page 2488, something like that, where it showed, and it didn't say really much about it.

505
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:25,420
All it said is the following image is a diagram based on Pioneer 10 and 11 probes, okay?

506
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,700
And then it said like, oh, we sent out a plaque on it, blah, blah, blah.

507
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:37,260
Well, what it shows, and I can get into what Pioneer 10 and 11 found because it directly relates to this entire great year, this entire cycle,

508
00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:44,260
and how it might help you understand why this stuff keeps happening at 12,000 to 12,500 years every time.

509
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:44,820
Interesting.

510
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:45,220
Okay?

511
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:45,580
Yeah.

512
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:50,600
Is that what they found, and this may be new to people and it may blow a lot of minds,

513
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:56,820
and I would, again, encourage people to go to my website and see that image, by the way, which is very hard to find online.

514
00:46:56,820 --> 00:47:00,160
It seemed like it was scrubbed across a lot of things.

515
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,860
I ended up digging in and finding a PDF version of it that was like somebody might have emailed it to me or whatever,

516
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:13,140
where I got a high-definition version of it, and then I scanned it, and then I uploaded it, and so I'm like, we need to preserve this, right?

517
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:14,420
Where was it taken exactly?

518
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,100
Well, okay, I'll go back and tell you how this started.

519
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:18,460
Yeah.

520
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:26,780
In the 1970s, there were the first probes ever in history.

521
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:28,220
That were sent out in deep space.

522
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:31,640
It's funny to me how people have only heard of Voyager, right?

523
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,900
They're like, oh, Voyager, Voyager.

524
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:35,020
No, Pioneer.

525
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640
Pioneer came before Voyager, hence the name Pioneer.

526
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:44,800
It was the first deep space probes we ever sent out into interstellar space, okay?

527
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:52,420
You have – if you think about neighborhoods of space, the area between us and the sun is this actually quite small little neighborhood.

528
00:47:53,180 --> 00:48:03,140
Our outer solar system is this whole other vast area beyond the sun that then basically is bordered by what's called the Kuiper Belt, right?

529
00:48:03,140 --> 00:48:07,440
I'm sure Graham talked about that and being impacted by the torrid meter shower, right?

530
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:26,520
Torrid meter shower comes through, and one of the theories is it can bump around some of these Kuiper Belt objects, which are giant, giant asteroids and comets in the outer, outer part of our solar system that basically dwarf our asteroid belt around Mars that is like nothing compared to this, okay?

531
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:41,120
Well, Pioneer 10 gets sent out one direction and Pioneer 11 gets sent out another direction, and they were basically sent out to study gravitational protrusions on the outer planets of Uranus and Neptune.

532
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,480
They wanted to understand, wait, what the heck?

533
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,380
Why are these giant gas planets tilted on their axis?

534
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:59,000
And then as you get closer to the inner solar system – and I'm not an astrophysicist, but I can fill in some blanks here – why they would be tilted on their axis, something gravitationally is affecting them, right?

535
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,000
Is it our sun?

536
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,080
Wait, it can't be our sun.

537
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:02,600
How can they be tilted like that?

538
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,120
And in fact, our entire solar system is tilted slightly on an axis.

539
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:16,020
So what happened is they send out the probes in the early – during the 1970s, both of them, they send them in completely different directions.

540
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:19,420
Remember, space is 3D, so it's not like a linear paper.

541
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:21,320
It's got mass.

542
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,480
It's got everything.

543
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:26,580
So you have to go different directions to try to understand how to create like a model, right?

544
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:36,420
Well, in the early 1980s, Pioneer 10 and 11 made history because they were the first probes to leave our inner solar system, okay?

545
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:44,860
So they get out past the gravitational influences of the sun and they start passing out – passing beyond the Kuiper Belt.

546
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:48,880
And when they do that, boy, did they find something.

547
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,320
Now, you – I'm surprised – I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it.

548
00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:54,040
Actually, very few have.

549
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:54,640
What do they find?

550
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:04,120
Well, the thing is funny about it is that if you go and look up Pioneer 10 and 11, you're not going to find very much information.

551
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:16,860
And I don't want to necessarily just spend a lot of time going down a conspiracy road here, but I will tell you that it seems apparent that the internet was scrubbed of information regarding Pioneer 10 and 11.

552
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:17,800
What evidence do you have?

553
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:28,780
Well, there was an astronomer out of NASA – actually out of – yeah, named Thomas – two astronomers, one named Thomas Van Flandern and the other named Robert Harrington.

554
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:35,420
Robert Harrington was a very, very important astronomer who worked for the Navy.

555
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,340
Sorry, not NASA, for the Navy.

556
00:50:37,460 --> 00:50:39,120
He was a chief astronomer for the Navy.

557
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,720
Well, he's studying the outer solar system.

558
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,360
He gets a call one day from Thomas Van Flandern.

559
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:49,400
Thomas Van Flandern is an astronomer as well who's actually a very interesting man.

560
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,680
I wish he got more attention.

561
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:51,840
Very smart.

562
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:56,220
Used to talk about even things like ancient history being different than we're told and things like that.

563
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:57,740
Very smart guy.

564
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,860
He calls up Robert Harrington.

565
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,500
He's like, hey, Robert, you got to check out this data from Pioneer 10, right?

566
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,920
There's something going on in the outer solar system.

567
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,720
And Robert Harrington's like, okay, I'll look into it.

568
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:19,820
And they look into this new data that's coming back from Pioneer 10, and they – their minds were blown, okay?

569
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:25,920
What Pioneer 10 found, and 11, was not only a planet, okay?

570
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:32,460
Now, I don't want this to be confused with things like Zechariah Sitchin's idea of Nibiru.

571
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:42,040
That was actually a whole other story in itself of something I think was maybe even created to mislead this whole thing, okay?

572
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,400
There's no planet that comes through our inner solar system that would destroy everything, no.

573
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:53,480
But what they did find is a large planet beyond the Kuiper Belt, okay?

574
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,280
Part of what is called the outer solar system.

575
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,240
Not something that has a lot of information.

576
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,100
In fact, the Kuiper Belt wasn't found until the early 1990s.

577
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:14,180
It's relatively new that we even knew that, again, based on a lot of the data coming back from the Pioneer probes, which started to leave that area in the early 80s and through that period.

578
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:23,240
Now, in the 90s, there was an announcement by NASA, and I do believe this was a real announcement, where they did announce this planet.

579
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:28,980
And they called it Planet 9 or Planet 10 based on before Pluto got demoted.

580
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:32,980
And they actually – and anybody listening to this might remember that.

581
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,640
It was actually pretty widespread on the news.

582
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:41,900
They're like, oh, there's this large planet beyond our sun that is very mysterious.

583
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,640
It seems to have a mass based on gravitational influences of four to five times the size of Earth.

584
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,400
Massive.

585
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,160
Huge planet, okay?

586
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,020
Very weird and mysterious.

587
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,440
Wait, where is it positionally?

588
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:55,220
It's beyond Pluto?

589
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:57,140
Yes, way beyond Pluto.

590
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:57,480
Okay.

591
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:03,800
It's in – it's way beyond our inner solar system, and it's not part of the rotation around the sun at all.

592
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:04,600
Wow.

593
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:06,620
It's very, very mysterious, okay?

594
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:09,180
So what sort of gravitational pull is it following?

595
00:53:09,460 --> 00:53:10,940
Well, wait until you find out.

596
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,380
Oh.

597
00:53:11,420 --> 00:53:12,020
This is where it gets wild.

598
00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:13,360
It's the same thing causing the wobble.

599
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:15,340
This is where it gets wild.

600
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:21,980
On this – in the same analysis – and I remember Pioneer data was coming in in increments over time.

601
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,000
As you're going further out, you get more data.

602
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,800
So it's not like you know everything right away.

603
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:27,520
It's like you're figuring things out.

604
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,360
So the first thing they found was this planet, and they initially announced it, okay?

605
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:33,380
And everyone's like, oh, whoa.

606
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:35,000
How could that be possible?

607
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:48,520
Well, the interesting thing was that even the Kuiper Belt, a lot of the objects in the Kuiper Belt were being warped in their – the way that they rotate their mass was being warped by something else.

608
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:55,080
And they – some postulated that this planet was enough to even impact and affect some of these Kuiper Belt objects.

609
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:56,520
But there's more though.

610
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,000
The planet seems to be – seem to be revolving around something, okay?

611
00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:13,840
And again, I very much encourage people to go and see this diagram so they don't think I'm full of crap in what I'm saying right now because, again, this 1987 encyclopedia showed the entire diagram.

612
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:18,380
But the weird thing was it was the only place that it ever existed ever again.

613
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,560
All the data from Pioneer was essentially scrubbed after.

614
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,600
What was it orbiting around?

615
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:29,040
Well, when scientists have studied our – the known universe, okay?

616
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,320
I'll say that because we only have a limited view of what we can see with distant stars.

617
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:42,480
But when they've studied other stars like Sirius and other ones, Canis Major, they find out that 80 percent of all known stars are binary or trinary.

618
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,940
Meaning that having a single star or sun is actually far more rare.

619
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:52,400
You would have an 80 percent chance that wouldn't be the case.

620
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:55,040
Are you saying we are in a binary solar system?

621
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:57,520
There's another star that we're not aware of?

622
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:57,800
Well –

623
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:58,380
Another sun?

624
00:54:58,380 --> 00:55:02,400
But the thing is that when – okay.

625
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:09,040
When Pioneer 10 and 11 got far enough out beyond this planet that they detected and you can't see it.

626
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,320
It's just based on its gravitational influences.

627
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,880
Again, they never – you can't see like, oh, there's a bright planet flying by.

628
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:15,980
It doesn't work that way.

629
00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:20,980
Planets – if they don't – if planets are not illuminated by some kind of an object, they're black.

630
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:21,400
Yeah.

631
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,940
They're just – it's just a space is black and you don't even know except the influence it has.

632
00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:27,160
Wouldn't James Webb pick it up?

633
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:34,120
Well, again, you have – the space is infinitely difficult to pin down a very specific part.

634
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:37,040
And I can get into all the Caltech studies after that support this.

635
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:37,340
Okay.

636
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:37,720
Okay?

637
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,340
So this is not just one area.

638
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:39,700
Okay.

639
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:41,960
Caltech has since jumped on top of this.

640
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:47,900
You can go on Caltech's website and read all about how this planet is – one of the –

641
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:49,000
What's the name of the planet?

642
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,760
One of the – well, they don't have a name.

643
00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:51,920
They call it Planet 10.

644
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:54,920
Originally now Planet 9 based on the demotion of Pluto.

645
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:55,340
Okay.

646
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:55,640
Okay?

647
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:08,120
Caltech, actually, one of the astronomers there was basically said that he believes there's a 99% 99 chance that it exists based on its effects on the Kuiper Belt and other gravitational effects.

648
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,880
And it's four to five times larger than the Earth.

649
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,120
Okay.

650
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,020
So NASA announces that.

651
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:13,300
Yeah.

652
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,460
Then they go completely quiet.

653
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:21,720
They never announce anything else ever again from Pioneer 10.

654
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:36,300
In fact, all data on Pioneer 10 and 11 passed the Kuiper Belt beyond this Robert Harrington's work and Thomas Van Flandern and 1987 Science Intervention Encyclopedia became the only sources.

655
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:38,300
It was very bizarre.

656
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:47,520
If you have something of that much importance that finds things, to not have any information is, again, screaming towards some kind of a scrubbing of information, a hiding.

657
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,880
Why would they cover this up?

658
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,940
Well, because they found something.

659
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:50,640
What did they find?

660
00:56:50,640 --> 00:57:11,020
Well, according to the diagram in 1987 Encyclopedia, the way that Pioneer 10 – and by the way, Pioneer 10 had these spectrometers on board that were literally made to detect objects, which is very interesting because if they're investigating a tilt on Uranus and Neptune, clearly they're looking for something.

661
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:23,460
Well, they detect a signature of – that was undeniable because there's specific wording in that diagram and it says – and I will quote.

662
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:27,420
Remember, Pioneer 10 and 11 went completely different directions in our solar system.

663
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:30,640
They say they found equal pull.

664
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,640
It doesn't matter where they were in our solar system.

665
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:41,760
As they left, they found equal pull of something massive on our entire solar system.

666
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:51,640
Something gravitationally is so powerful that it was basically influencing our entire solar system, including the sun, okay?

667
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:56,660
And what they found, they called it a dead star, okay?

668
00:57:56,740 --> 00:57:58,160
Now, it's not a brown dwarf.

669
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:04,440
It was a dead star that had essentially maybe supernovaed long ago.

670
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:12,440
Whatever happened to it, it no longer had the fusion of a star like our sun, which is why you can't see it.

671
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:18,660
It literally – now, you know there's only two things that can happen to a star when it dies, right?

672
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:25,240
It either explodes or it shrinks down into an unbelievably dense object.

673
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,900
But that object still has very, very powerful gravitational influences.

674
00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:31,600
Black hole.

675
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:34,940
Well, but not everything does that.

676
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:37,520
Not everything just becomes a black hole.

677
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,540
In fact, some scientists believe that those are more like at the center of galaxies and different things like that.

678
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:53,440
Instead, this object was identified as a dead star, not as – but – and they determined that the distance – ready for this?

679
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:05,060
Based on its influence at the time – and this is like 1984 or 1983 that this data came back because the encyclopedia came out in 87.

680
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:14,300
They determined at that time that it was 50 billion miles from the Pioneer probes, 50 billion miles, okay?

681
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:26,080
Now, when that occurred, Thomas Van Flandern and Robert Harrington found out about that.

682
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:34,780
Now, all I will say is that they both died of throat cancer, not – and within a few years of each other.

683
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:36,400
But they both died of throat cancer.

684
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,120
They didn't smoke.

685
00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:46,960
And they – it was a very mysterious thing because they were the only two people that were investigating this outer planet and potentially this binary star companion.

686
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:54,800
And then there was a man named Miles Standish who was the head of – that became a very prominent astronomer in the department.

687
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,060
And he was like – everyone is like, wait a minute.

688
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,420
What about this planet and all this stuff, right?

689
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:05,320
Miles Standish did a bunch of calculations mathematically and was like, you know what?

690
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:06,380
We made a mistake.

691
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,320
Robert – Thomas Van Flandern made a mistake.

692
01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:12,520
Robert Harrington made a mistake.

693
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,840
Turns out all the data was wrong and there's no planet that's out there.

694
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Boom, the thing just disappeared.

695
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:23,640
And it was – and it like went completely silent.

696
01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:24,660
Everyone's like, okay, never mind.

697
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:26,420
What's the motive to cover this up?

698
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:42,680
Because I believe it's the entire reason why the great year exists and why we have resets of civilizations and why we have entire cycles of catastrophes and – which is based, I believe, on what are known as the Yuga cycles out of India.

699
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:43,560
Right.

700
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:49,420
They're called the Kali Yuga cycles based on civilizations rising and falling.

701
01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:50,780
Well, we're in the Kali Yuga, right?

702
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:52,380
But there are various Yuga cycles.

703
01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:52,700
Yeah.

704
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:53,020
Yeah, yeah.

705
01:00:53,020 --> 01:01:03,280
So the Yuga cycles track the cycles of basically civilization rising and falling based on these ages during the great year.

706
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:14,000
So you go from – right, you rise up to a golden age, you get wiped out, you fall back, and then you have to start up again from like an iron and bronze age and then a silver age and then a gold age and then it resets itself.

707
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:21,240
Well, what could possibly exist to keep a consistency of these cycles other than this?

708
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,660
Now, think about this for a minute.

709
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:29,000
If anyone's ever seen it, there's a documentary I highly recommend called The Great Year.

710
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:30,180
Amazing.

711
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,880
You can go actually watch it on YouTube.

712
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:34,460
Amazing, amazing documentary.

713
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:37,800
Has a great narrator who just passed away recently.

714
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:39,840
Very well known.

715
01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:42,000
I can't remember his name off my head.

716
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:48,420
But in that documentary, I believe they got one thing really, really wrong, but they got everything else right.

717
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:54,720
They postulated that The Great Year was based on a dance of our binary companion.

718
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,980
But they thought it was serious.

719
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,560
Now, that makes no sense to me at all because, first of all, serious is so far away.

720
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:07,420
It makes 50 billion miles of this binary look like it's in our backyard.

721
01:02:07,420 --> 01:02:12,760
So that makes zero sense to me that that's related to The Great Year and the dance of our sun.

722
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:14,640
So I want to just point that out.

723
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:24,080
However, what does make sense is that this dead star having this massive dance called perihelion and apihelion.

724
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,060
Perihelion is when something comes the closest and apihelion is when it's leaving.

725
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:39,180
Well, it turns out that in The Great Year documentary, ancient civilizations believed that that entire dance was based on, they called it our black sun.

726
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:44,800
They called it, you ever heard of black holes, black sun, David Bowie, right?

727
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:47,840
Black sun is also kind of this age-old occult symbol.

728
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:54,620
Well, it turns out there's some truth in this, that there was knowledge of a dark star.

729
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:57,780
A partner star to our own sun?

730
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:07,680
Some say the binary model confirms all of our celestial observations without the need for excessive torque or epicycle-type explanations.

731
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:15,520
While the concept of a second sun challenges our present understanding of the solar system, it is hardly a new idea.

732
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:20,960
There's one sun which is part of the planetary system, and there's one sun outside the solar system.

733
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:30,500
And this allows Mithras to both be the sun and also seem to be operating for the sun or on behalf of the sun.

734
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:32,700
The ancients had some knowledge on it.

735
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,780
There's different areas.

736
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,620
Even the – there's a whole bunch of areas.

737
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,620
That would be a whole part of the show.

738
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:57,400
But I just want to say – and not getting that, but just say that basically that there seems to be a dance between this dead binary star with our sun and every time that dance is based on a 25,000 – approximately 25,000-year full cycle.

739
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:23,000
Now, half of that during perihelion is 12,500 years when it comes the closest to our sun in which I theorize that that is the reason why our sun goes through these massive energetic explosions of – if you have an object like our sun that is very, very powerful with like almost like a nuclear fusion type of energy, right?

740
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:47,660
If you have a lot of energy coming towards it and gravitational influences, the only way it's going to be able to maintain itself is to be able to exhaust that energy, which is why I believe that this binary is the reason why these consistent events every 12,000, 12,500 years or so, even 14, they're all in that realm, are occurring on a consistent basis.

741
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,880
But the yugas are different lengths, aren't they?

742
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,440
They're based on the rise and fall of civilizations consciously.

743
01:04:54,140 --> 01:04:57,740
And there's other – that's not the only factor that goes into the yugas.

744
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:59,860
There's galactic center alignments.

745
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,420
There's planetary alignments.

746
01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:03,420
It's not just one thing.

747
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:07,040
And so it's not the weakening of the magnetosphere of the earth necessarily.

748
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:13,740
It's the need for the sun to expel mass to do a gravitational object moving towards it.

749
01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:14,980
Which then weakens.

750
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:16,400
Which in turn then weakens.

751
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:27,060
And I believe that is what caused the entire destruction of Mars because Mars used to clearly have water, clearly had life, right?

752
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:35,060
You can actually see some images, if the rover images are actually even from Mars, that have trilobites in some of the areas on there.

753
01:05:35,060 --> 01:05:41,140
And one of the very well-known and accepted theories is that Mars once had an atmosphere.

754
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:52,040
It took the brunt of a massive CME event that stripped the entire atmosphere and then basically had the water evaporate out into space.

755
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,220
And then it turned into this barren planet.

756
01:05:54,220 --> 01:06:00,040
But not only that, but it may have been based completely on a plasma events.

757
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:09,080
And I want to just mention that is that there is a trench, a gorge on Mars called Vias Marineris, okay?

758
01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:14,040
That is like five times deeper than the Grand Canyon, okay?

759
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:29,620
And it is – the feather design of it may actually be based on a massive type of plasma-like events which can literally impact entire planets if it's bad enough and create scarring.

760
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,680
And even mountains based on – they've shown studies with how electricity impacts things.

761
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:47,360
They create like a feather-like environment or they even create bulges, almost like types of emergencies of land moving up and down by the types of energy that can impact it.

762
01:06:47,540 --> 01:06:59,620
Now, Mars is covered in billions to trillions of just these rocks scattered across the planet, all over the planet like they were thrown out and a lot left in the atmosphere.

763
01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:03,160
But then others literally fell back down onto the planet.

764
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:12,120
And it looks like that planet is a perfect example of how these CME events can destroy an entire planet.

765
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,640
So you realize the implications of what you're saying.

766
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:22,220
You're saying that NASA figured out that we're actually living in these sort of civilizational cycles that we really have no control over.

767
01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:23,960
They're kind of these hard resets.

768
01:07:24,580 --> 01:07:26,540
Maybe we're headed towards one right now.

769
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:27,800
And they're hiding it.

770
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:34,320
And in order to cover it up, they blocked all knowledge of the binary star companion so that that whole cycle would not be understood.

771
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,400
That's insane.

772
01:07:36,820 --> 01:07:37,500
Is it though?

773
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,020
I don't know.

774
01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:39,760
I mean I need to –

775
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,280
If there was an asteroid –

776
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:41,800
Dulge in the details.

777
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:48,680
And I'm not saying this in an apocalyptic way because I would actually – the next part of this is we should talk about how I believe we may be able to prevent that.

778
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:49,420
OK.

779
01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:56,840
But what I mean is if you knew about – if governments knew about a giant asteroid coming towards the Earth or a comet, would they tell everybody?

780
01:07:57,580 --> 01:07:58,220
Maybe not.

781
01:07:58,540 --> 01:07:58,960
Maybe not.

782
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,120
Widespread panic.

783
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:00,540
Sure.

784
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,060
Complete society collapsing.

785
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,460
And you're of the opinion that this dead star is headed towards the sun now.

786
01:08:10,580 --> 01:08:10,940
Yes.

787
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,200
And so do you have – you know, based on your –

788
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:21,260
Cycles of what we see in ice cores throughout Antarctica and Greenland of a consistency.

789
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:24,820
And what's your model of how much time we have left based on that?

790
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:25,980
We're right in it right now.

791
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,680
So like –

792
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:33,860
Very interesting how consciousness seems to rise at the same time that the sun starts to emit more energy.

793
01:08:33,980 --> 01:08:38,340
And this gets into like, again, lost civilizations, what they knew.

794
01:08:38,540 --> 01:08:38,680
Yeah.

795
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:38,940
Right?

796
01:08:38,940 --> 01:08:49,180
I actually believe that part of the function of the Great Pyramid of Giza and other structures was balancing the energy of the Earth.

797
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:49,640
Yeah.

798
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:54,680
And that maybe they had understood that these cycles exist because – OK.

799
01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:55,760
Let me give you an example.

800
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:56,120
Yeah.

801
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,540
In Hermeticism, one of the core – there's these laws that exist.

802
01:09:00,900 --> 01:09:05,460
Hermeticism is ancient Greek knowledge from Hermes, which is basically just Egyptian knowledge as well.

803
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:06,160
It's the same thing.

804
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,500
They believe –

805
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:09,140
Because Hermes was based on –

806
01:09:09,140 --> 01:09:09,380
Both.

807
01:09:09,620 --> 01:09:10,100
Exactly.

808
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:10,760
So –

809
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:11,880
The emerald tablets.

810
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:15,220
They believed that cycles govern everything.

811
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:15,940
OK?

812
01:09:16,780 --> 01:09:19,120
That the law of correspondence governs everything.

813
01:09:19,580 --> 01:09:26,100
That there are these core concepts, right, that are woven into everything.

814
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:27,860
They're just – that that's the way it is.

815
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:28,600
That's how it's designed.

816
01:09:29,260 --> 01:09:29,540
Right?

817
01:09:29,540 --> 01:09:31,600
And we can even get into the nature of that.

818
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,120
I don't have a problem with that.

819
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:41,560
But that there is an actual very intelligent design behind our universe and that the Earth is actually a lot more important than we know.

820
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:51,000
That it's part of – again, we are talking about like a soul incarnation place through Orion and that it's not just necessarily happening everywhere else,

821
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:59,300
but that it's – this is a very important place and that we are not the only ones that are governing that.

822
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:14,700
That there's something higher that's governing the cycles here and balance because that's everything that's shown in these artifacts and things that we're about to talk about from around Lake Vaughn is it literally shows the same thing over and over and over again.

823
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:27,500
It shows this balancing of everything, balance, and basically teaching humanity about the nature of who we really are and being – like bringing us back to the light.

824
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:40,680
Like if we were – if our soul journey was like basically starting at a higher place and then wandering through the darkness and then eventually returning back to the light, again, everything is based on cycles.

825
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,280
And it seems like we are the microcosm.

826
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,940
Our journey here is like a microcosm of the entire macrocosm.

827
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,860
And so we are playing a bigger role than we know.

828
01:10:51,240 --> 01:11:02,220
And at the same token, I believe that also lends itself to not having us be as afraid that we could just poof, be wiped off and never exist again and it doesn't matter.

829
01:11:02,540 --> 01:11:07,700
Well, you just implied that maybe the pyramid was some sort of possible preventative measure.

830
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,500
I mean are you familiar with Christopher Dunn?

831
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:10,680
Yeah, I am. Very much so.

832
01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:12,040
So does that relate to this?

833
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:16,740
Because he has this theory that the pyramid was maybe kind of an energy generation machine.

834
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:17,780
He went on Rogan.

835
01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:18,860
I thought he made a pretty good case.

836
01:11:18,860 --> 01:11:22,920
Oh, I support those connections in many ways.

837
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:30,200
For instance, under the Great Pyramid and under many of these structures, we have subterranean water like aquifers, right, that are basically as a conductor.

838
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:34,120
And they were covered in limestone and they had granite, which has the quartz in it.

839
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:39,500
It seems very much a function of geometry and physics to create something.

840
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:41,900
So but how would that save the Earth?

841
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:42,500
Well, it didn't.

842
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:43,620
This massive death star.

843
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:45,020
Well, it didn't.

844
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:45,260
Yeah.

845
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:46,480
Let me give you an example.

846
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:51,180
If you go to Saqqara, Egypt, right, you can go down to what's called the Serapium.

847
01:11:51,340 --> 01:11:52,500
I'm sure you've heard of that, right?

848
01:11:52,940 --> 01:11:53,480
I should have.

849
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:56,240
OK, so the Serapium is this subterranean area.

850
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,300
You can go there today as they do tours down there.

851
01:11:58,740 --> 01:12:05,460
And you walk down in these all these steps to go down in there and you have these chambers under the ground that were carved out.

852
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:13,640
And in those chambers are these giant granite boxes, OK, built out of granite that came from Aswan.

853
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:31,540
And the granite is so large that it's bigger than the entrances to even go down in these places, which is completely mysterious on how they carved them, moved them, because these granite boxes weigh up to 100 tons.

854
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:34,360
One ton is 2,000 pounds.

855
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,480
They're very, very mysterious.

856
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:44,740
But anyway, there's a whole multitude of these down there and they have no evidence of any pharaoh or anyone being in them, like finding a mummy or anything, right?

857
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,720
These chambers are mysterious.

858
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:59,960
But what is interesting about them is that many of them were found blown up, like exploded, like a lot of energy had surged through and blown them up.

859
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:11,100
And if that's the case, then one of the things we're discussing is that maybe Egypt played a really pivotal role in trying to balance energy somehow.

860
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,920
Now, that's based on – well, that's based on what are called ley lines.

861
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:23,080
Now, geodesy is also based on that concept, is that the earth is what's called a terrestrial field of energy, OK?

862
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:35,080
So the energy of the earth, based on its magnetism properties, the energy flows out from Antarctica down and comes up and in from the Arctic up in the north.

863
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:36,860
So it's like this, right?

864
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,140
Comes down like that.

865
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:44,780
And that if you were able to understand the properties of geodesy and properties of ley lines,

866
01:13:44,780 --> 01:13:56,700
that you could somehow build in specific places and maybe even balance them, harness them, have a way to build in coherence with the earth and the stars.

867
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:04,820
But if you have a massive coronal mass ejection heading towards the earth, how much balancing can save you?

868
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:13,520
Well, I mean, perhaps they tried or they just were trying to survive understanding that there was a previous event that their ancestors had known about.

869
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:19,400
And that gets into the entire discussion of Darren Cuyu and Kay Mockley.

870
01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:20,220
OK.

871
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,180
Do you know where Darren Cuyu and Kay Mockley are?

872
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:22,480
No.

873
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:22,940
Who are they?

874
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:24,360
Well, their locations.

875
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:24,980
OK.

876
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:25,660
OK.

877
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:31,540
So this again gives the evidence for – that the ancient people knew about these events, OK?

878
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,720
Oh, Darren Cuyu is the underground tunnels in Turkey.

879
01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:35,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

880
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,280
So –

881
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:42,980
Yeah, which – and Hancock even talks about how, you know, possibly a civilization went underneath there to protect themselves.

882
01:14:42,980 --> 01:14:50,040
A lot of people don't talk about Kay Mockley and I want to talk about both because they're very – the connection they have is absolutely fascinating.

883
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,600
In southern Turkey, there's an area of soft volcanic stone.

884
01:14:54,600 --> 01:15:03,980
Now, most of the time volcanic stone is hard, but this area, it was like a type of very soft kind of volcanic porous type of material that was actually really easy to carve.

885
01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:23,380
And it seems as though ancient civilizations, if they were global, which I believe they were, seemed to know that was the only place in the earth based on its elevation, its location, and the stone that they could easily – well, we say easily, but relatively easy compared to other environments – create massive subterranean areas.

886
01:15:23,380 --> 01:15:25,380
And I mean massive.

887
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:35,820
And so in – within the last 40 years, there was a man in this – the city that became the underground city of Darren Cuyu because there's this modern city built right on top of it.

888
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,520
That's what's wild is that they're like living right above it and they didn't even know.

889
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:55,200
So he's basically working on his apartment and he knocks a wall down accidentally and he opens up this doorway opening that he was like trying to figure out what happened because he had chickens that wandered in and disappeared.

890
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,060
It was really funny actually and he didn't understand where they were going or whatever.

891
01:15:59,060 --> 01:16:07,200
And so he went down in and he ends up going and, you know, calling and like, I found something – archaeology, you got to come see this.

892
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:13,060
So they come over and they were stunned to find the largest subterranean underground city.

893
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,440
We call it a city but subterranean area in the world.

894
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:34,800
It had something like 30 levels of these interchanging tunnels but like rooms that had air shafts, had entire ways to block off and seal the outside with these multi-ton stones that were basically fitted so you could roll them in front of the door.

895
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:53,740
And they had areas for animals and animals – places for like education like schools and they had places for bedding and living and food storage and they went to such great lengths that they built these underground cities so big that they could house over 20,000 people.

896
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:54,340
That's crazy.

897
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:54,880
At one time.

898
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:55,520
How big are they?

899
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,000
They're basically kilometers down.

900
01:16:59,240 --> 01:16:59,580
Wow.

901
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:00,440
They're enormous.

902
01:17:00,620 --> 01:17:01,080
Kilometers down.

903
01:17:01,180 --> 01:17:01,700
How far?

904
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:02,440
Like wide.

905
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:05,560
Like wide, kilometer wide, like kilometer down.

906
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,360
I don't have the exact dimensions of it.

907
01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:08,320
They're enormous though.

908
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:08,720
OK?

909
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:15,140
And you can still go there today and there's a tourist attraction where you can obviously go down into Derinkuyu but they only let you see a couple levels.

910
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,160
Now here's the wild thing.

911
01:17:17,180 --> 01:17:19,480
Who figured out that 20,000 number?

912
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:26,740
They went and archaeologists that have access to all the levels have basically determined how many people could live in all of them.

913
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:27,440
They mapped them out.

914
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:32,120
You can actually find online diagrams where they show all of them interconnected.

915
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:34,060
But it gets even more wild than that.

916
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:36,820
Derinkuyu is not the only one.

917
01:17:37,220 --> 01:17:41,840
Turns out there's a whole bunch of underground cities in that region but there's two main ones.

918
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:45,560
The other – the sister city to Derinkuyu is called Kaimakli.

919
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:46,180
OK?

920
01:17:46,420 --> 01:17:49,520
Now Kaimakli was found just a few years later.

921
01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:51,260
But here's the wild thing.

922
01:17:51,620 --> 01:17:53,640
It's five and a half miles away.

923
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:54,560
OK?

924
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:55,880
Why is that wild?

925
01:17:56,460 --> 01:18:00,140
Because underneath Derinkuyu is a main corridor.

926
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,400
There's like a main corridor like if you had buildings attached to each other, right?

927
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:08,460
And there's a tunnel that goes from Derinkuyu all the way to Kaimakli.

928
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:08,940
Whoa.

929
01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:10,560
Five and a half miles underground.

930
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:11,100
Crazy.

931
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:17,120
Which means that those people knew enough about how they couldn't go above ground.

932
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,120
Hey, I want to go see – I want to go see your cousin John in Kaimakli.

933
01:18:21,260 --> 01:18:22,500
I mean Derinkuyu, right?

934
01:18:22,540 --> 01:18:23,860
I haven't visited him in a long time.

935
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:25,420
Why wouldn't they just go up and go around?

936
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,620
Instead, they literally travel underground between them.

937
01:18:28,780 --> 01:18:32,160
And the only reason you would do that is if it wasn't safe to be above ground.

938
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,460
And now why wouldn't it safe to be above ground?

939
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,280
I don't think it's based on flooding.

940
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:43,140
I think it's based on the concept of like a nuclear winter, right?

941
01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:50,320
Where you would basically be so volatile, not only like potentially radioactivity, but

942
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:56,880
even things like a catastrophic climate that was just dipping all over the place and like

943
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,080
it was almost completely in hospital to live out there.

944
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:07,040
And the idea is that they built these to survive these events and that the only reason they

945
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:12,320
did that is because a previous event their ancestors had survived through.

946
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,100
And then they told them and like, you know, hey, we're going to survive the next one.

947
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:20,360
We need to build these underground cities, which that area of Turkey is literally in the

948
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,680
center of the ancient world.

949
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,620
When do you think these underground cities were built?

950
01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:24,880
That's the ultimate question.

951
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:25,800
Nobody knows.

952
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:26,780
And here's the weird thing.

953
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:32,680
None of the material from these giant underground cities that they excavated has ever been found.

954
01:19:32,820 --> 01:19:36,080
It's not like they went up to the front and they found like this huge pile of rock.

955
01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:37,300
Like, hey, look at that.

956
01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:38,360
We can, because they can help.

957
01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:42,820
Why wouldn't some of, you know, their tools and stuff be preserved given that it's underground?

958
01:19:43,220 --> 01:19:44,600
Nothing has ever been found.

959
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,340
Why is that?

960
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,600
Well, because things degrade.

961
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,920
We have to imagine geologic time.

962
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:50,380
Underground though, you'd assume.

963
01:19:50,380 --> 01:19:57,900
You still have mice and rats and things and you have water dripping and you, it's, we need

964
01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:02,380
to try to imagine, it's been 500 years, right?

965
01:20:02,460 --> 01:20:07,160
Since, you know, we went through the industrial revolution and back to medieval times, back

966
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:07,540
to then.

967
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,540
And look at all we've achieved in that.

968
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:10,000
Okay.

969
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,420
That 500 year period.

970
01:20:11,420 --> 01:20:20,500
Now imagine thousands and thousands and thousands of years, you know, potentially 10,000 years.

971
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,980
I believe that those were built well over 10,000 years ago, well over.

972
01:20:25,060 --> 01:20:30,000
I mean, they had to, to me, they had to have been built before the Younger Dryas catastrophes

973
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,100
because there'd be no other, because we haven't had anything like that since.

974
01:20:33,260 --> 01:20:34,180
Well, that would be my guess.

975
01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:38,260
Again, I'm not, I'm a total amateur when it comes to this stuff, but I would guess that

976
01:20:38,260 --> 01:20:43,400
a greater percentage of things would be preserved if the thing, it's an underground city than

977
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:44,120
if it's above ground.

978
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,400
There's just less environmental kind of erosion.

979
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,440
Well, but the problem is they were reused.

980
01:20:49,180 --> 01:20:49,580
Okay.

981
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,220
And this is where scientists are, what I believe have gotten the dating completely wrong.

982
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,620
How do you know that they were reused?

983
01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:59,740
Because when they went down, when they first found them and they went down in, they did find

984
01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:00,100
stuff.

985
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:08,200
They found evidence of Hittites and evidence of ancient cultures that are not like ancient,

986
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,840
ancient, they're like mid-ancient, right?

987
01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:15,000
So, you know, Hittites in different time period of that, we're talking like, you know, maybe

988
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,640
2,500, 3,000 years ago, right?

989
01:21:17,940 --> 01:21:24,460
They found evidence of residency from them where they were maybe hiding from armies or going

990
01:21:24,460 --> 01:21:27,860
under there to, for many reasons, it was a very dangerous time.

991
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:37,000
Much of the world, the Assyrian and Eurartian and Medes culture and the Babylonians and all

992
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,620
of these cultures were battling, fighting.

993
01:21:39,780 --> 01:21:42,280
It was a very volatile time period in history.

994
01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:45,540
And so, yeah, you could have cultures try to hide down there.

995
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,480
It wouldn't be the best idea, but I'm sure some did.

996
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:54,240
And so that may have actually been one of the reasons why it was kind of covered up and not

997
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:59,280
found for a long time was because they were, it was one of those places they were kind

998
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,880
of like hiding out or something, right?

999
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:06,080
But scientists and archaeologists have determined based on finding that, that that's who built

1000
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,260
it, which is kind of silly, right?

1001
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:14,760
If Jesse goes over to an ancient monument and puts his name on it, and then a thousand years

1002
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,980
later, we find that Jesse's name is still like carved into it.

1003
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:18,840
Did Jesse build it?

1004
01:22:18,940 --> 01:22:19,640
Not necessarily.

1005
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:25,040
No, if like, it doesn't, it's kind of a silly, um, but we can't know that it was built

1006
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:25,860
earlier also.

1007
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,180
Well, but the thing is, why would they do that?

1008
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:33,500
Why build a giant underground city and go to that kind of length of work if you're just

1009
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:37,380
doing it to hide from an army somewhere, which they could literally just starve you out and

1010
01:22:37,380 --> 01:22:38,020
like block.

1011
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:38,980
It doesn't make sense.

1012
01:22:39,500 --> 01:22:43,240
No, you could literally, they could, they could like pour oil and then just like set the whole

1013
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,240
inner place on fire.

1014
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,260
All these different means they could have done, um, all various different horrible things they

1015
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:52,480
could have done, but the only thing that makes sense, if you look at the concentration of

1016
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:57,020
these underground cities and how it was a center of the ancient world is that they would

1017
01:22:57,020 --> 01:23:01,400
have had pilgrimages knowing and reading the stars.

1018
01:23:01,540 --> 01:23:06,560
Now that gets back to Gobekli Tepe because look at the pillars of Gobekli Tepe have, they're

1019
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,160
just basically star constellations.

1020
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,520
Isn't it like a sun calendar?

1021
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:10,280
It's a calendar.

1022
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:16,280
It's an astronomical calendar, which I believe its purpose was, my personal opinion is its purpose

1023
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,780
was to track the great year, to track cycles.

1024
01:23:20,060 --> 01:23:25,540
And it was a, it was an astronomical spot that that was its purpose is to track cycles.

1025
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,680
What is the great year?

1026
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:28,780
Just the concept of a year?

1027
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:29,580
No, no, no, no.

1028
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:29,900
Okay.

1029
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,900
So the great year is based on what's called the procession of the equinox.

1030
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:33,160
Okay.

1031
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:39,520
It is because how the earth wobbles because of the gravitational influences of this binary

1032
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:40,020
companion.

1033
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,320
I told you the entire, the entire solar system is influenced.

1034
01:23:43,540 --> 01:23:43,600
Okay.

1035
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,340
What's the, this is fascinating.

1036
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:51,860
So basically this 26,000 year cycle where true north involves a different star right

1037
01:23:51,860 --> 01:23:57,620
now, it's Polaris and other times it involves, but what's the conventional astronomical, you

1038
01:23:57,620 --> 01:24:02,640
know, explanation for why, you know, all these planets, uh, you know, have kind of wobbling

1039
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:07,760
gravitational, uh, orbits and how the entire axis of the solar system is actually on kind

1040
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:08,280
of a wobble.

1041
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:08,840
It's tilted.

1042
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,360
Not a lot of people talk about it.

1043
01:24:10,460 --> 01:24:12,260
Um, you know, literally just dismissed.

1044
01:24:12,260 --> 01:24:15,800
Is there not some conventional, cause like there's certain things like how the moon

1045
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:16,480
was formed.

1046
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:16,700
Yeah.

1047
01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:18,660
Which is really mysterious actually, by the way.

1048
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,360
Oh, well it's such BS when you hear like the conventional explanation.

1049
01:24:21,580 --> 01:24:25,020
Oh, it came together perfectly at a perfect ratio between the sun and the moon and the

1050
01:24:25,020 --> 01:24:25,260
earth.

1051
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:25,740
No, it's like.

1052
01:24:25,740 --> 01:24:30,140
Well, it's like an asteroid like hit the earth and then part of the earth came out of the

1053
01:24:30,140 --> 01:24:31,900
earth into this perfect, you know, thing.

1054
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:32,700
It's impossible.

1055
01:24:32,940 --> 01:24:33,600
Makes no sense.

1056
01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:34,180
It's impossible.

1057
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:36,740
Into this thing that, you know, you never see the dark side of it.

1058
01:24:36,740 --> 01:24:40,900
It's this perfect, you know, and it's one four hundredth the size of the earth and it's

1059
01:24:40,900 --> 01:24:43,460
400 times closer to the earth than the sun.

1060
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,040
And it, it just doesn't.

1061
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:46,280
Yeah.

1062
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:46,640
It does.

1063
01:24:46,940 --> 01:24:50,500
The, the conventional explanation that you can kind of definitively say is wrong.

1064
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:53,920
And then I think where you have to be epistemically humble to me, at least I don't have a great

1065
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:54,120
theory.

1066
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:54,760
Maybe you do.

1067
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,360
It's like, I don't know what formed that thing, but what's the conventional explanation

1068
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:04,580
for, yeah, the wobbling gravitational axis, the slanted gravitational axis of the entire

1069
01:25:04,580 --> 01:25:05,120
solar system?

1070
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:12,080
I think the Milky, some kind of a Milky Way interaction of outer things and inner things

1071
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:12,700
with the sun.

1072
01:25:12,940 --> 01:25:17,460
It's, I never, I've never heard of anything definitive that's come from to explain that.

1073
01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:22,300
If anything, I told you that Miles Standish had said mathematically, like they were like,

1074
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,220
oh, they miscalculated all these things.

1075
01:25:24,220 --> 01:25:25,600
And then people are like, oh, nevermind.

1076
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:26,920
Like it's been really weird.

1077
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,700
Can we track the emergence of the conventional explanation?

1078
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,680
Cause I often think that's like a really important.

1079
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,920
Again, I'm not, I'm not an astrophysicist.

1080
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,620
So like that would be a good question for others to, to bring up with that.

1081
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,300
You said there was somebody at Caltech who's sort of convinced about it.

1082
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:41,820
So Caltech.

1083
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:43,080
Cause I want to interview that person.

1084
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:46,800
I don't, I don't, I actually emailed him and he never got back to me.

1085
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:49,540
And if he's listening to this, I'm still open to that reply.

1086
01:25:49,540 --> 01:25:49,940
Send me his email, man.

1087
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:51,760
Let's figure out how to get in touch with him.

1088
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:57,040
There's a, there's a number of experts at Caltech that's, that use mathematics and based

1089
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:01,060
on data from probes to study the outer solar system.

1090
01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:01,340
Okay.

1091
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:07,460
And they determined that based on the movement of Kuiper belt objects, that there's, they're

1092
01:26:07,460 --> 01:26:13,180
being super skewed and perturbed by something.

1093
01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:13,460
Okay.

1094
01:26:13,460 --> 01:26:17,680
And that the way that Caltech, and again, if anyone wants to look, just look up Caltech

1095
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,200
and planet 10 or planet nine, it used to be called planet 10.

1096
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:22,120
Then they, they demoted to planet nine.

1097
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,280
Look into that.

1098
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:28,340
They have extremely compelling data that backs all of this up that mathematically planet,

1099
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:32,640
planet 10, I'm going to call it 10 because I think Pluto is, we should just keep it,

1100
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:38,040
whatever, whatever it was, but we'll call it planet 10 that it absolutely exists.

1101
01:26:38,180 --> 01:26:38,360
Yeah.

1102
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,860
And again, why would you have a planet that's completely rogue?

1103
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,000
That's not part of another system.

1104
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,760
Well, I'm just even thinking again, my stupid math, right?

1105
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,480
Like the sun only has so much gravitational pull.

1106
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:55,000
Pluto is part of the sun's, you know, gravitational field of influence because it's so small.

1107
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,400
Well, it looks like it was a moon of Jupiter that got thrown out beyond that area.

1108
01:26:59,620 --> 01:27:04,880
But things, you know, like my guess would be that something four to five times the size

1109
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,540
of the earth that's beyond the perimeter of Pluto even.

1110
01:27:08,620 --> 01:27:09,140
Oh, way beyond.

1111
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,340
Might, might have trouble being part of the sun.

1112
01:27:12,340 --> 01:27:13,560
Or would it be part of, exactly.

1113
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,520
It makes no sense.

1114
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:15,860
In fact.

1115
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:19,220
I don't, I don't know, but I need to do the math on it.

1116
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:19,960
Exactly.

1117
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,760
There's no influence that far out at that point.

1118
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,380
We're talking about something that would be like, it doesn't make any sense that it

1119
01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:30,080
would be having a consistent type of elliptical orbit.

1120
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,360
Do we know the conventional explanation there?

1121
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,600
Well, no, they've tried to deny that it exists.

1122
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:38,580
That's, as I've said, Caltech is the only modern institute that's supporting that.

1123
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:40,240
This thing gets announced in the 90s.

1124
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:41,260
I'm sorry to harp on that.

1125
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,140
I think it's so important.

1126
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:42,380
I know.

1127
01:27:42,440 --> 01:27:43,160
It's incredibly interesting.

1128
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:44,740
So it gets announced in the 90s.

1129
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:45,940
NASA's like, this is thing.

1130
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:47,240
You know, it's Planet 10 or whatever.

1131
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,220
And then, okay, Standish comes in.

1132
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,940
And then he's like, actually, forget about it.

1133
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,860
So Planet 10 goes away too?

1134
01:27:53,980 --> 01:27:54,120
Yeah.

1135
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:54,640
Let me show you.

1136
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,240
Planet 10, like people forget about Planet 10?

1137
01:27:56,260 --> 01:27:56,740
Yeah, exactly.

1138
01:27:56,740 --> 01:28:01,480
Because of, I'm telling you, it's because of Miles Standish with this whole idea that

1139
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:03,740
mathematically they made a mistake and that it never existed.

1140
01:28:03,740 --> 01:28:06,560
And Pioneer never shot Planet 10.

1141
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:09,200
It was just, they never got footage of it.

1142
01:28:09,340 --> 01:28:13,580
It was just based on these, it was just based on the wobbling, you know, the gravitational

1143
01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:14,040
influence.

1144
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:18,380
And data is very easy to, here, take a look at this.

1145
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,140
I think it would probably be helpful for you to look at that.

1146
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:22,760
That's the page from it.

1147
01:28:22,820 --> 01:28:24,160
I think it would be cool for you to see it.

1148
01:28:24,260 --> 01:28:24,460
Yeah.

1149
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:25,420
Yeah.

1150
01:28:25,420 --> 01:28:30,280
But Pioneer 10 became the first craft to pass into interstellar space in 1983.

1151
01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:34,120
The diagram shows the path of the two Pioneer probes.

1152
01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:39,840
On the right, the pictorial plaque carried by Pioneer 10 contains information about Earth

1153
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:40,680
and humanity.

1154
01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:45,480
But it says nothing about the diagram, which is so wild.

1155
01:28:45,940 --> 01:28:46,440
You see that?

1156
01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:48,040
So I'm looking at the diagram.

1157
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:48,920
If you read the article.

1158
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,540
10th planet, 4.7 billion miles away.

1159
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:52,620
And then look at the dead star.

1160
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:56,280
Do you see how it says equal gravitational pull on there?

1161
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:56,620
Equal pull.

1162
01:28:56,780 --> 01:28:57,000
Yeah.

1163
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:57,520
Whoa.

1164
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:58,420
Right?

1165
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:59,560
That's really trippy.

1166
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:03,580
And this is an official NASA release?

1167
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:04,340
Or what is this from?

1168
01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:10,300
This is from, again, the Science Invention Encyclopedia was at a very prominent encyclopedia

1169
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:10,760
series.

1170
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,600
Some listening to this probably still have some of their basement.

1171
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:18,580
They used to come out with volumes every year and they would update them and it was like

1172
01:29:18,580 --> 01:29:19,720
a very, very prestigious.

1173
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,160
It's not like an obscure encyclopedia.

1174
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:26,920
It was a very prestigious encyclopedia set and they're becoming very rare now.

1175
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,820
But some people still have them.

1176
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:31,460
And if you do, I would recommend holding on to that.

1177
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:36,860
And if – so in a binary star system, these stars often like move around each other?

1178
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:37,580
Like –

1179
01:29:37,580 --> 01:29:37,900
They dance.

1180
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:38,420
They dance.

1181
01:29:38,420 --> 01:29:39,100
They do a dance.

1182
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:43,320
Now, The Great Year, again, I highly recommend people watch that documentary called The Great

1183
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:43,640
Year.

1184
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,980
It shows that dance beautifully.

1185
01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:50,540
Now, this dead star seemed to have a massive elliptical orbit.

1186
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,620
I mean, we're talking an elliptical orbit so big that we never can observe it ever.

1187
01:29:55,860 --> 01:29:56,960
We can never see it.

1188
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:03,160
Are there any big proponents of this theory now that like have tons of data behind it?

1189
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:07,840
It's very strange that all I've seen is Caltech investigating this planet.

1190
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:08,340
Yeah.

1191
01:30:08,380 --> 01:30:12,220
But there's been, from what I gather, very little on anything else.

1192
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:18,680
And I – that's why I wanted to preserve that image on my website so that something like

1193
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:23,440
that couldn't die because it looked like it was being like completely scrubbed.

1194
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:27,240
And I'm telling you the weirdest thing about it is – you saw that diagram, right?

1195
01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:33,480
It showed – the weird thing is that article, even in the encyclopedia, says nothing.

1196
01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:40,240
Why would you include a diagram that has information that would completely blow up all of science

1197
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,500
itself and not say anything?

1198
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:47,040
To me, the only thing that makes sense, the only one thing, is that somebody wanted to keep

1199
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,520
that in there, but they weren't allowed to say anything.

1200
01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:52,160
How else does that make any sense?

1201
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:53,440
I mean, that would be an entire article itself, right?

1202
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,920
Who are these two astronomers again?

1203
01:30:55,180 --> 01:30:57,640
Thomas Van Flandern and Robert Harrington.

1204
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:58,100
Yeah.

1205
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:03,160
They were the ones who spearheaded looking into this planet and I believe even the binary star.

1206
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:04,320
And they both died of throat cancer.

1207
01:31:04,340 --> 01:31:05,580
And they both died of throat cancer.

1208
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,160
What years did they die of throat cancer?

1209
01:31:07,180 --> 01:31:08,680
I don't remember off my head.

1210
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:09,860
They died in the 90s though.

1211
01:31:09,980 --> 01:31:10,260
Okay.

1212
01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:13,240
Right after this discovery pretty much.

1213
01:31:13,300 --> 01:31:13,460
Right.

1214
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:13,900
Right, basically.

1215
01:31:14,260 --> 01:31:17,780
And then Miles Stanger is like, hey, by the way, everything is mathematical and miscalculations

1216
01:31:17,780 --> 01:31:18,480
and it's all wrong.

1217
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:19,520
And everyone's like, okay, never mind.

1218
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:20,700
Oh, man.

1219
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:21,460
That's so crazy.

1220
01:31:21,460 --> 01:31:21,960
Isn't that wild?

1221
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:22,400
Yeah.

1222
01:31:22,620 --> 01:31:27,440
And so it's, when I, in my last book, The Stage of Time, I end up, I mentioned in there

1223
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:32,480
that they're sort of like unsung heroes that are forgotten and that I think deserve to be

1224
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:32,820
remembered.

1225
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,980
Were they trying to get this out as they're being kind of marginalized?

1226
01:31:37,260 --> 01:31:37,500
I believe so.

1227
01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:38,340
And Miles Standish.

1228
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:43,160
I believe they were writing a whole series of scientific papers in collaboration with

1229
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:43,600
each other.

1230
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,520
Anybody in touch with their families or something?

1231
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,400
You know, I'm not sure if anyone's listening to this that knows.

1232
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,840
I know that they had stumbled onto something very, very major.

1233
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:57,340
And it's just, I'm not saying that necessarily, I don't want to come across as like they were

1234
01:31:57,340 --> 01:32:00,480
murdered necessarily, but it was very mysterious how they both died.

1235
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:01,880
Fascinating.

1236
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:06,240
And then, and then after Miles Standish disproves the whole thing mathematically, nobody ever

1237
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:07,060
investigates it.

1238
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:07,880
It just dies out.

1239
01:32:08,300 --> 01:32:09,660
What's his background, Standish?

1240
01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:15,560
He became a prominent astronomical figure within the NASA community.

1241
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,680
Before we go on, I should say that personally, I haven't seen an abundance of evidence for

1242
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,320
this binary star system theory that Matt's proposing.

1243
01:32:23,740 --> 01:32:28,460
But there are ancient civilizations that echo this belief, and even some pretty credible

1244
01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:30,700
modern astronomers who believe it's possible.

1245
01:32:30,940 --> 01:32:37,160
Roughly half of the stars you find in the universe are alone, and the other half are in

1246
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,760
groups, and often the groups consist of two.

1247
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:44,460
One of the stars might have evolved enough so that it has died and has become a white dwarf,

1248
01:32:44,860 --> 01:32:48,380
and then lost a lot of its heat and became faint as well.

1249
01:32:48,740 --> 01:32:54,240
But if it's sufficiently far away and sufficiently faint, then it would just sit there and maybe

1250
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,780
orbit the sun within a few thousand years.

1251
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:57,680
Who knows?

1252
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,420
I cannot have any positive opinion about this, but I would not rule it out.

1253
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,660
Perhaps we've already seen our sun's binary companion, but clinging to old theories kept

1254
01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:08,900
us from realizing it.

1255
01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:13,560
If the Earth were the perfect sphere, there would be no precession, because there would

1256
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,780
be no way to apply that torque on the Earth.

1257
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:20,620
But since the Earth spins, it makes itself oblate by that spinning, so it has bulges on

1258
01:33:20,620 --> 01:33:21,000
the equator.

1259
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:25,920
So this leads to a net force which would want to put the Earth upright.

1260
01:33:26,580 --> 01:33:31,720
That's what the Earth doesn't allow it to do, but the Earth cannot completely escape that

1261
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:32,880
pull from the moon.

1262
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:39,260
And instead of being positioned upright, it will shift the orientation of the axis.

1263
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,200
In other words, it will cause this precession.

1264
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:47,280
All of that's to say, I would maybe hold this theory as somewhat low probability, but incredibly

1265
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:48,700
impactful if true.

1266
01:33:48,820 --> 01:33:54,260
And I would urge every audience member to please research this, the possible scrubbing of the

1267
01:33:54,260 --> 01:33:59,940
Pioneer mission from NASA and the important stories of Thomas Van Flandern and Robert Harrington.

1268
01:33:59,940 --> 01:34:01,940
Okay, I want to get into some of the similarities.

1269
01:34:01,940 --> 01:34:06,520
I know, we got off on like a crazy tangent, and I know that's not what you spend all your

1270
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:06,860
time on.

1271
01:34:06,940 --> 01:34:13,160
So you've uncovered some amazing ancient architecture in Eastern Turkey, and this architecture

1272
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seems to comport with all sorts of sites all over the world.

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So it is kind of proving out this Graham Hancock hypothesis around this proto-civilization

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that may have existed, because you say that a lot of the techniques are in terms of how

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they build, the structures—

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And the motifs and symbols.

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The motifs and symbols themselves line up perfectly.

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So what evidence do we have of this?

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So you have that in front of you, and you want to pull that up, and you can look at it

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while I'm talking to you.

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So to start with, my expertise primarily had been focused a lot of my life over the last

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20 years with really becoming—try to be as much of an expert as I can on ancient

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cuneiform languages.

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Now, cuneiform is not a language, it's a writing style.

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It's a type of wedged writing style that was adopted or emerged out of the Mesopotamian

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region.

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So if we think of languages, like Sumerian is the first language that we know ever existed

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on Earth, right?

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It's a type of cuneiform language.

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And that survived because they etched in these symbols into clay and stone, which can last

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enormous amounts of time, thousands of years, in comparison to paper, which only lasts

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500 to 1,000 years.

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It's a much more efficient way to record information.

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Now, when I was studying the ancient Sumerian civilization, who, by the way, invented nearly

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everything.

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They invented astronomy, animal husbandry, agriculture, mathematics.

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They were the ones who first came up with trigonometry and understanding the solar system.

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Oh, yeah.

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It came out of Babylon, but Babylon got it from Sumer.

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That's where, if you saw that recent-

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What's your line between, because I know people talk about just the Fertile Crescent

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being the cradle of civilization, but what's your line between Sumer and Babylon?

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Babylon had what was called an old kingdom and a new kingdom.

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So it looks like there was an older, even an older part of Babylon as well.

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I want to point out that most ancient places in the world, if they weren't buried under

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some pile of debris or something like that, they were rebuilt upon, because it seems like

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the predecessors that came always knew there was something sacred and special about them.

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And that was something we see all over the world, which is why so much confusion exists

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in the archaeological world for who originally built them.

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And that came out of that region.

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Now, I was particularly interested in the Sumerians, because the Sumerians had all these

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mysterious designs, which, by the way, their ziggurats look exactly like that step pyramid

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design, okay?

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It's basically the same design.

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I thought ziggurats had seven levels.

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Well, they're not-

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The step pyramids can have more than three levels.

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Some of them can have seven.

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It's based on that step design, though, okay?

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Now, we see those seven levels in things like Medan, Saleh, and Saudi Arabia, which I showed

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you images from that as well.

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But the original teaching seems to have come out of this concept of these three levels,

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and I can talk about that concept of three as we go forward.

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However, so when I was studying the ancient Sumerian stories, one of the things I focused

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on is what was our ancient history?

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These are the oldest writings ever written.

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They have these incredible stories in these cuneiform tablets, okay?

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Things like the Autrahasis, the Enuma Elish, I'm sure you've heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh,

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and all these stories, many, many more, right?

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Eridu, Genesis, Myth of Medapa, Legend of Atana, but they all have these nuggets of truth within

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them.

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Now, a lot of archaeologists would tell you that those were just based on myths.

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And you even find out that a lot of the Christian stories, like the Deluge and the Noah story,

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where it has nothing to do with original Christianity.

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It was adopted from these ancient Sumerian stories.

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And you can see the comparisons, right?

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If you read the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Autrahasis, and then you compare the flood story, it's like

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literally almost identical to Genesis.

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It's clearly it came from that, okay?

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Now, if you want to get to the core of something, you need to go back to the earliest form of it,

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if you want to understand that story.

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Now, I became pretty obsessed with understanding who are the best translators in the world,

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what the forgeries were, the false stuff, which exists too.

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Real quick, what gives you confidence that the Epic of Gilgamesh was actually the inspiration for

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the story of Noah and the Ark and the flood?

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Well, because the Epic of Gilgamesh contains the original flood story, but it's from Gilgamesh,

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who is from a later time period.

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He's from this second iteration that emerged out of that region, not the original Sumerians,

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but he's from a civilization that emerged out of the Ur.

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They call them like the Ur civilization or Ur II.

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It's an area that he was basically a king or a tyrant, the king of the city of Ur, okay?

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Ur and Uruk in that area.

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Now, he writes from an earlier time period because in the Epic of Gilgamesh, he's trying

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to find the secrets of immortality by going to find a very specific character.

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And this is what I traced and tracked across all of these texts, but not coming from the

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lens of like hearsay.

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I found the best translators in the world who had translated them, such as George Smith

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in 1875, and then Stephanie Daly and others who have come along, like Samuel Kramer, who

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are the best Assyriologists in the world.

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A Assyriologist is a term that is a blanket term that includes Sumerian, though.

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They just call themselves Assyriologists.

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George Smith was like the first person to translate erotic.

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He was the first.

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He was the one who cracked the Sumerian code.

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Now, to give people some understanding, we had this time period of not knowing at all

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what these texts said, okay?

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So Sumerian is what's called a language isolate.

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It doesn't share an alphabet or similarities, many similarities, very, very small similarities

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with any language on the earth.

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It's basically like an alien language.

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And a man named Austin Henry Laird came along in 1848, and he stumbled across this ancient

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library called the Royal Ashurbanipal Library, okay?

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The Royal Ashurbanipal Library is very unusual in the case that it doesn't get a lot of interest.

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You know, a lot of people talk about the Library of Alexandria, but really, I feel like the Library

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of Ashurbanipal should get a lot more interest, along with even the great libraries of Ebla,

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which is another ancient city in Syria.

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But these were libraries that had massive amounts of cuneiform tablets that weren't just

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from that civilization, but they were from many, many civilizations.

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Ashurbanipal was a very, very powerful king, but he was also a priest.

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And he existed during what we think of as the Assyrian time period, okay?

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So he was an Assyrian king, but there were earlier time periods before him.

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There was an Akkadian time period.

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Then there was a Sumerian time period.

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So if we were going to look at it in like a timeline, there was the emergence of a Sumerian

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civilization, then an Akkadian, then an Assyrian and a Babylonian, right?

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So we have this time period that is around 4,000 to 6,000 years old.

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And in that time period, Ashurbanipal comes into power and he's like, these stories are

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incredible.

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They're connected to my ancestors, Sennacherib and my father, Tigris, and all these other

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guys.

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And I want to understand like the most important stories of mankind, right?

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He recognizes that they are, bar none, the most important stories.

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And I agree with him.

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And so what he did is he amassed these armies, thousands of people, and he goes out to every

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part of Mesopotamia, to every ancient city, gathers all the tablets, all together.

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He brings them back, creates the greatest library ever known to man, called the Royal Ashurbanipal

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Library.

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So in 1848, 1849, Austin Henry Laird is excavating the ancient city of Nineveh in what today is

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Mosul, Iraq.

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And they're digging down, digging down, and they find like those huge Lamassu statues and

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everything.

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01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:42,200
And they find, which by the way are 40 tons each, they find this Royal Library with thousands

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01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:47,660
and thousands of cuneiform tablets, specifically 40,000 to be exact.

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01:42:48,060 --> 01:42:48,260
Okay?

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01:42:48,260 --> 01:42:52,380
Now, they're not all like the same level of importance.

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Some are like talking about laws and governing and, you know, like shekels and how much a

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01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:00,420
bushel of wheat would cost.

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Because agriculture was their basis of currency.

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By the way, that's where currency came from.

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The first currency on earth came from the Sumerians and it was called a shekel.

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It was based on a bushel of wheat because they were an agricultural civilization who would

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actually were the founders who created civilization itself.

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01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:21,520
So, Austin Henry Laird finds this library, okay?

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01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,960
Finds thousands of tablets, including the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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And he finds like Sumerian King List and he finds Otrehasis, all these things.

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But they had no idea how to read it because the Sumerian language had died out over a thousand

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01:43:37,940 --> 01:43:39,140
years before.

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01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:47,620
Imagine a thousand years going by where nobody remembers how to read something, okay?

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01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,800
And so, they have no idea what it says.

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Here comes George Smith.

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01:43:52,180 --> 01:43:53,920
George Smith gets a hold of these.

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01:43:54,260 --> 01:43:55,840
He brings it back to the British Museum.

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01:43:56,300 --> 01:44:03,380
He spends the next 10 years, 10 years studying them, trying to understand how to read this

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01:44:03,380 --> 01:44:03,640
language.

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01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:05,220
George Smith is a hero.

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He's one of the greatest unsung heroes of history that the world does not know.

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George Smith ends up doing something brilliant.

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He realizes that he's never going to crack the Sumerian code on its own.

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So, what he does is he backtracks.

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He goes to the only known language that has even somewhat similarities in its way.

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And that's Assyrian and Akkadian cuneiform.

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So, he goes back to those stories and he basically takes and understands some of the similarities

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with things like the Akkur, which means mountain house and other things.

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01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:41,280
And he backtracks and he figures out how to – he cracks the Sumerian code essentially.

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01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:46,580
And it's described that when he – the first tablet he ever – the first set of tablets

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01:44:46,580 --> 01:44:51,240
he ever cracked was actually the Epic of Gilgamesh, which brings us full circle back to where

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01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:51,680
we started.

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01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:57,900
Anyway, he figures that out and he starts reading and you get these fantastic stories,

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01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:04,540
right, of massive floods and ancient kings who ruled for enormous amounts of time and

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01:45:04,540 --> 01:45:09,960
disasters that wiped out a previous age and then there's another emergence of civilization

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01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,100
that comes after.

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01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:12,020
All these stories.

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01:45:12,020 --> 01:45:15,800
Now, when archaeologists – and that, by the way, was like 1875.

1444
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:21,920
When archaeologists get a hold of this, they are like, there's no way that these things

1445
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:22,380
were real.

1446
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:27,440
Not only did they believe that the stories were just allegories because there's allegorical

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01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:29,000
nature of them, right?

1448
01:45:29,060 --> 01:45:31,840
Gilgamesh is talking about fighting the bull of – right?

1449
01:45:31,940 --> 01:45:34,200
The bull of Taurus and everything.

1450
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:39,360
Those are metaphysical journeys that have astrological connections.

1451
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:39,640
Okay.

1452
01:45:39,780 --> 01:45:40,260
Agreed.

1453
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:40,920
Of course.

1454
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:46,440
But then it mentions that Gilgamesh is a king of the city of Uruk.

1455
01:45:47,180 --> 01:45:48,000
You're like, wait a minute.

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01:45:48,440 --> 01:45:49,100
Uruk was found.

1457
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,320
It's a real city and other things.

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01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:56,840
And you – the part that I come in is in studying these and finding the best versions

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01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:04,840
possible and then saying, well, what aspects of truth and aspects of literalism are in here

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01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,860
and can they help us piece together our ancient past?

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01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:13,500
And that's where this whole story of connecting to Eastern Turkey came from because as I'm

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01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:18,760
studying all the tablets and then cross-referencing saying like, look, Atana, the legend of Atana,

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01:46:18,940 --> 01:46:24,840
he's – it describes that he emerges after the great deluge and builds the first city

1464
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:25,520
called Kish.

1465
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,500
That's after this great time period of when the original five cities were built.

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01:46:30,500 --> 01:46:31,700
When's the legend of Atana?

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01:46:31,700 --> 01:46:37,200
The legend of Atana is like, say, 4,000 years ago, 3,500 years ago, right?

1468
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:42,000
And then what specifically – but why are you high conviction that the Noah thing is connected?

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01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:42,240
Okay.

1470
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:43,320
So let me get to that.

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01:46:43,420 --> 01:46:43,560
Yeah.

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01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:49,160
So in that, there's these moments where they have distinctions of events occurring and things

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01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:49,980
happening, okay?

1474
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,120
Gilgamesh was not part of the Sumerian time period.

1475
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,980
Again, he's from the Urak-Ura time period.

1476
01:46:56,340 --> 01:47:03,600
But he knew about his ancestors and he knew about that to such a degree that the entire

1477
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,640
premise of the Epic of Gilgamesh is him going to seek immortality because his friend Enkidu

1478
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:13,160
dies and he ends up being worried about his own mortality, okay?

1479
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:21,860
So what he does is he specifically goes to find a man, a man named Utandapishtim, okay?

1480
01:47:21,860 --> 01:47:27,480
Now, that character, it was also called Zayasudra in ancient Sumer.

1481
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:32,160
You find out that he's the original hero of what's called the Atrahasis.

1482
01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:35,480
He's where the whole Noah story came from.

1483
01:47:35,860 --> 01:47:37,940
You can cross-reference those stories.

1484
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:39,140
They're nearly identical.

1485
01:47:39,140 --> 01:47:40,640
And it's not just one.

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01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,440
It's you have the legend of Itzubar.

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01:47:43,820 --> 01:47:46,720
You have the myth of Adapa.

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01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,580
You have Eridu Genesis.

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01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:50,740
You have Sumerian King list.

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01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:56,980
You have Atrahasis and Epic of Gilgamesh that all mention the same flood, the same characters

1491
01:47:56,980 --> 01:47:59,220
in the same cities, okay?

1492
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:00,840
That's amazing.

1493
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,420
Oh, and that's where I funneled into this and I became...

1494
01:48:04,420 --> 01:48:06,840
The Epic of Gilgamesh is the first that mentioned it.

1495
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:08,840
The first one was translated, not the oldest tablet.

1496
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:09,540
Not the oldest tablet.

1497
01:48:09,540 --> 01:48:10,560
Yeah, it was the first translated.

1498
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:18,480
But the reason why it's so important is that for a great deal of time, for the last 120,

1499
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:25,120
130 years, archaeologists have been under this impression that the cities mentioned, the very

1500
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:28,060
early cities mentioned were a myth, okay?

1501
01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:29,000
Weren't real.

1502
01:48:29,140 --> 01:48:30,380
Something like Troy, right?

1503
01:48:30,440 --> 01:48:31,960
Troy was considered a myth.

1504
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:32,240
Yeah.

1505
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:36,560
That the Greeks never fought Troy and that it was just an allegorical story, kind of like

1506
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:37,520
the whole Plato thing.

1507
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:42,580
And yet, in the 1870s, they find Troy.

1508
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:43,400
1871, Heinrich von Schleiman, yeah.

1509
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:49,600
I love these stories because it's like, yeah, we just, we take everything as allegory and

1510
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:50,860
myth and, you know, whatever.

1511
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:55,960
But it's just painting over our modern kind of ideas with, you know, the past with that

1512
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:57,660
sort of, you know, myopic brush.

1513
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,100
Exactly.

1514
01:48:58,380 --> 01:49:01,180
And you don't need to be, an expert sort of defends that.

1515
01:49:01,180 --> 01:49:06,260
And then, like, the kind of amateur can stumble into the actual truth, actually, which is a

1516
01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:06,780
beautiful thing.

1517
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,280
And that's, I became obsessed with these tablets.

1518
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:14,740
Every single one I could read, every version, because it was different versions of them.

1519
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:18,940
For instance, the Babylonians wrote a version of the Enumel Elish that the original Sumerians

1520
01:49:18,940 --> 01:49:19,820
and Akkadians had written.

1521
01:49:19,980 --> 01:49:24,080
And there was slight deviations in the story based on the greatness of Marduk, who was the

1522
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,980
patron god of Babylon, versus Enki, who was the patron god of Eridu.

1523
01:49:28,100 --> 01:49:32,740
It's, but you can weave those out by saying, oh, I know this is the earlier version, so

1524
01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:35,740
I can understand how this got a little bit altered, right?

1525
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,040
So that's what I do.

1526
01:49:37,420 --> 01:49:39,300
I've been doing that for 20 years.

1527
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:47,100
So in my investigations, I found that the original city of Eridu was described as the

1528
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:50,360
first city ever created on Earth, literally the first city created.

1529
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,900
Well, late 1800s, they find Eridu, okay?

1530
01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:00,240
Very mysteriously, there's a ziggurat that's an entire mountain of Eridu that has this city

1531
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:00,900
below it, right?

1532
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,160
They usually had a temple with a city below it.

1533
01:50:03,260 --> 01:50:04,740
What modern day country is Eridu in?

1534
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:05,500
It's in Iraq.

1535
01:50:05,620 --> 01:50:05,820
Okay.

1536
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,240
So it's in the whole war-torn region that I can't get to.

1537
01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:11,180
And I have a whole campaign on my website.

1538
01:50:11,180 --> 01:50:11,600
What part of Iraq?

1539
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:21,280
It's near the confluence of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers in southern Iraq, west of Baghdad.

1540
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:27,640
So in the late 1800s, they find Eridu, and they only excavate the main part of the city.

1541
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:29,460
They find tablets and everything.

1542
01:50:29,540 --> 01:50:30,560
They bring them to the British Museum.

1543
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:33,480
They never excavate the Eridu ziggurat.

1544
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:38,620
And then, and I ended up, just to give a little sidebar, I ended up going on this campaign

1545
01:50:38,620 --> 01:50:43,100
that's on my website called the Campaign to Say It Eridu, because I ended up finding

1546
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:48,820
all these photographs over the last 10 years of locals going in and just pillaging, pillaging

1547
01:50:48,820 --> 01:50:49,280
the site.

1548
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,840
And literally, there's tablets sticking out of the ground.

1549
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,300
And they're just like selling them in the black market.

1550
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:59,440
And the whole site has no fences, nothing protecting it.

1551
01:50:59,460 --> 01:51:01,120
And it's like it was abandoned.

1552
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:03,080
Is that still the case now?

1553
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:03,680
Yeah, it is.

1554
01:51:03,740 --> 01:51:05,060
It's completely, oh, God.

1555
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:06,000
It's very, very sad.

1556
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,780
And they end up going in during World War II in 1940s.

1557
01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:13,240
And your belief is that's the first city in recorded history?

1558
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:13,440
Ever.

1559
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:15,080
Which was considered a myth before that.

1560
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:17,620
Well, not ever, because you think there was maybe a civilization prior.

1561
01:51:17,780 --> 01:51:21,480
Well, no, this is the thing, is that I'm believing that Sumer was not when we're told.

1562
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:22,220
Okay.

1563
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:27,360
Is that what we think of as the time period of Sumer is actually a far later time period

1564
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:28,800
of the Assyrians and Akkadians.

1565
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:29,360
Okay.

1566
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,520
Not the same time period at all.

1567
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:33,240
So how old do you think Sumer actually was?

1568
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:38,120
I think the ancient Sumerians are well over 12,000 years ago, which is why they essentially

1569
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:39,220
invented everything.

1570
01:51:39,740 --> 01:51:41,120
So when, do you think?

1571
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:42,660
Or is it just impossible to say?

1572
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:51,460
Based on geodesy and aligning temples in ancient Sumer, like in Urak and Erudu and different

1573
01:51:51,460 --> 01:51:53,220
things, I've had people email me.

1574
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:58,000
And there's been studies done online using geodesy, alignments with cardinal points and

1575
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:05,140
different things where it no longer has any connection to like the true north at all.

1576
01:52:05,140 --> 01:52:11,000
And that where it's aligned, true north was, like I said, in Greenland, which was, you

1577
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:15,820
know, well over 12,000 years ago, which then gives this potential age as being, you know,

1578
01:52:15,820 --> 01:52:18,760
maybe 20,000 years old or more.

1579
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:20,080
Yes.

1580
01:52:20,580 --> 01:52:21,620
And that's why I...

1581
01:52:21,620 --> 01:52:22,740
Do we have anything beyond...

1582
01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:28,480
Because I know the critics are going to say, you need more than astronomical alignment.

1583
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:29,120
Oh, of course.

1584
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:29,860
But climatic data...

1585
01:52:29,860 --> 01:52:31,640
Do we have anything beyond that?

1586
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:31,840
Yeah.

1587
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:38,060
Well, we have these sets of teachings and motifs that seem to emerge and then spread around

1588
01:52:38,060 --> 01:52:38,540
the world.

1589
01:52:38,660 --> 01:52:38,840
Uh-huh.

1590
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:40,400
Like core knowledge.

1591
01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:44,040
It's very important about us and the solar system and different things.

1592
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,060
And that's one of the things we can use.

1593
01:52:46,220 --> 01:52:49,260
But again, there's more evidence we'll get into in a minute.

1594
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:49,880
Let's just...

1595
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:51,300
We'll put a pause on that for a second.

1596
01:52:51,420 --> 01:52:51,560
Okay?

1597
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:58,500
Now, they find Eridu and it's like all of a sudden, it's not a myth anymore and that's

1598
01:52:58,500 --> 01:53:03,160
pretty mysterious and not super cool in the whole understanding of ancient history.

1599
01:53:03,500 --> 01:53:07,760
And it was a very, very sad story with Eridu and it's how it was abandoned and the ziggurat

1600
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:09,400
was like very...

1601
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:10,860
Like literally never excavated.

1602
01:53:11,300 --> 01:53:17,160
Now, and I got a chance to go to the Penn Museum this past year and see a lot of those

1603
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,700
artifacts from Eridu in their original form.

1604
01:53:19,700 --> 01:53:24,780
And I'm writing a book right now on this whole Turkey connection with Sumer and in the middle

1605
01:53:24,780 --> 01:53:28,720
of it called The Missing Key of History, The Lost Era Civilization.

1606
01:53:28,860 --> 01:53:32,180
I have the whole connection back between that.

1607
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:36,520
So they ended up not excavating the ziggurat at all.

1608
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:42,000
And it was a very sad story, as I had mentioned, where they sort of move forward and they come

1609
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:47,520
back previously during World War II and they're shown like walking around Eridu.

1610
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:54,680
And we have, if you just go on Wikipedia and you look up Eridu, you can see, excuse me,

1611
01:53:56,300 --> 01:53:57,220
hold on a second.

1612
01:53:57,540 --> 01:53:58,140
Yeah, no worries.

1613
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:05,920
If you go on Wikipedia and you just look up Eridu, you can see basically the photographs

1614
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,960
of it and how they're walking around, there's bricks sticking up out of the ground and everything.

1615
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:15,500
But the reason I mentioned that is that previously that city had been considered a myth, okay?

1616
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,520
It was like, oh, that's not real.

1617
01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:18,380
And then they find it.

1618
01:54:18,620 --> 01:54:20,500
Well, how do we know that that's Eridu?

1619
01:54:21,020 --> 01:54:25,540
Oh, they established, they found tablets that actually said the name Eridu on it in many,

1620
01:54:25,660 --> 01:54:25,920
many places.

1621
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:27,540
So that's not disputed.

1622
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,760
They know they found Eridu.

1623
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:33,160
Now, this is where the next part of this comes from.

1624
01:54:33,900 --> 01:54:39,860
I had been studying this particular aspect of the tablets that is one of the core values

1625
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:43,600
of all of them, which is this original Noah flood story, right?

1626
01:54:43,700 --> 01:54:47,940
Gilgamesh going to seek the flood hero, as he calls it in there, okay?

1627
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:54,820
And his name in Epical Gilgamesh is Untepishtim, but his original Sumerian name is Zayasudra.

1628
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:58,800
Now, they had different names in different eras, but it's the same person.

1629
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:05,120
Now, you learn that Zayasudra was, and there's Sumerian king list that has the whole breakdown

1630
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:06,480
and you can go through all of this.

1631
01:55:06,660 --> 01:55:08,180
Like, that's established.

1632
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:15,440
If you want to look, you can find it, is that turns out he was a son of the last king that

1633
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,140
ruled these first five cities existed.

1634
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:19,320
Eridu was the first.

1635
01:55:20,300 --> 01:55:22,420
Sharupak was the last city, okay?

1636
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:27,460
And you find out in the Sumerian king list that it was ruled by a man named Ubaratutu.

1637
01:55:27,460 --> 01:55:31,900
Now, Ubaratutu's son was the Noah figure.

1638
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,540
It was, his name was Zayasudra, Untepishtim.

1639
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,020
Now, for ease of all this, let's just call him Noah, okay?

1640
01:55:38,140 --> 01:55:41,600
Because that way people can understand what I'm saying easier from now on.

1641
01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:43,060
Those are his original names.

1642
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:50,780
Now, you learn that in those stories that Ubaratutu had stepped down at the end of his reign

1643
01:55:50,780 --> 01:55:55,980
and this figure had come in and ruled over Sharupak very briefly.

1644
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:00,240
He was both a king and a priest, okay?

1645
01:56:00,380 --> 01:56:06,280
Not like the Russell Crowe version where they show where he's like some primitive Stone Age

1646
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:07,000
man or something.

1647
01:56:07,340 --> 01:56:13,280
He was actually a very high priest and a sage and very, very wise and knowledgeable, which

1648
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:19,720
is why the actual tablet that he supposedly wrote called the Atrahasis literally means

1649
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:21,380
very wise, okay?

1650
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,420
So he was a great sage, very, very knowledgeable.

1651
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:32,080
Now, it's described in this that in the stories, again, like the allegorical stories, the myths

1652
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,360
that they say, that number one, Sharupak wasn't real.

1653
01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:38,120
And number two, that this figure was never real.

1654
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,580
Both were not supposed to be real at all, okay?

1655
01:56:41,300 --> 01:56:44,460
Except that in 1931, Sharupak was found.

1656
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:53,760
Now, before I go into that story, I will start by saying that this figure, in the stories,

1657
01:56:53,860 --> 01:57:01,140
in all the tablets, it discusses how this Noah figure, this sage, Zayasudra, he ends

1658
01:57:01,140 --> 01:57:05,460
up learning that there's this great deluge coming that's going to wipe everything out.

1659
01:57:05,460 --> 01:57:11,680
He was warned through this various means that, and you can get into the tablets, how they

1660
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:18,180
were supposedly, there was a pact, where they weren't supposed to warn humanity, they, where

1661
01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:20,040
Zayasudra was warned.

1662
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:27,280
And in the story, he is just told to build this massive cedar craft, boat.

1663
01:57:27,780 --> 01:57:32,700
It's very, very explicit details on how long the planks should be and how it should be sealed

1664
01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:33,720
with what's called bitumen.

1665
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:36,900
Now, bitumen is something we use in construction even today.

1666
01:57:37,180 --> 01:57:44,220
It's a type of epoxy-like type of adhesive that's very, very, very strong.

1667
01:57:44,740 --> 01:57:48,600
And he was told to build something and seal it off, they say, like the abzu.

1668
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:49,780
The abzu is like the underworld.

1669
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:51,580
So completely seal it off.

1670
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:54,080
Bring just your animals and your family.

1671
01:57:54,920 --> 01:58:00,440
Okay, so and then the horse Christianity turns it into like two animals of every kind and all

1672
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:05,780
this stuff and it completely derails from what the original story that's echoed throughout

1673
01:58:05,780 --> 01:58:11,940
Mesopotamia is the core of this, is that he was told to basically, your family and you

1674
01:58:11,940 --> 01:58:15,660
are going to help be part of the seeds of humanity in the future.

1675
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:19,660
Because there's going to be an event that comes through that's going to basically wipe

1676
01:58:19,660 --> 01:58:20,260
everybody out.

1677
01:58:20,340 --> 01:58:20,480
Okay?

1678
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:26,800
So that story is that he builds it, he doesn't tell anybody, everybody he knows dies.

1679
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:33,820
His family gets on, they just have like their goats and their whatever and they survive a

1680
01:58:33,820 --> 01:58:38,200
certain amount of time and they ended up landing in the Mount Ararat region.

1681
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:38,800
Okay?

1682
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:41,360
Of Armenia, Turkey area.

1683
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:49,200
That is where the tablets sort of end because a lot of them were broken and damaged.

1684
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:54,640
And when George Smith translated the Epic of Gilgamesh to others, there was areas where

1685
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,860
they have like, line is missing, line is missing, line is missing.

1686
01:58:57,940 --> 01:58:58,820
That's what it literally says.

1687
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:00,820
Where they had no idea what it says.

1688
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:06,320
The only thing we know is that there were these, they described them as Anunna gods, the

1689
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:12,600
ancient gods of that time that descended down to the Mount Ararat or wherever he is and

1690
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:18,260
basically get into this argument over how humanity was supposed to be destroyed and how Enki had

1691
01:59:18,260 --> 01:59:24,740
warned the Noah figure and that eventually they come to an agreement that this is what

1692
01:59:24,740 --> 01:59:31,600
it says, is that because this figure had survived and his sons had survived and that they would

1693
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:35,680
repopulate a lot of the world, that he would be given immortality.

1694
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:40,880
That's essentially what the stories end with is that the Noah figure gets immortality.

1695
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:44,880
Now, let's go forward thousands of years.

1696
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:49,360
Now you have the Aqaba Gilgamesh, which has the flood story rewritten in it.

1697
01:59:49,740 --> 01:59:55,740
But in that, you learn that Gilgamesh is very interested in understanding how to obtain

1698
01:59:55,740 --> 01:59:56,380
immortality.

1699
01:59:56,600 --> 02:00:00,980
The reason is, is that there's an obscure tablet called the Death of Bilogames.

1700
02:00:00,980 --> 02:00:04,520
And it is a tablet, and Bilgamesh is another name for Gilgamesh.

1701
02:00:04,900 --> 02:00:12,640
And you find out in that, that these Anunna gods had given the Noah figure, Zayasudra, he

1702
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,520
was the last man ever to get immortality.

1703
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:21,880
They said that no human will ever get immortality again and we essentially will have to die like

1704
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:22,820
mortal beings, okay?

1705
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:24,920
That's how you know that.

1706
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:28,320
That's how you know that that's the last figure in history that gets immortality, okay?

1707
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:32,900
So again, going forward, there's these elements of truth in there.

1708
02:00:32,980 --> 02:00:35,100
It's like wild to try to be like, wait a minute.

1709
02:00:35,220 --> 02:00:36,620
So did these things actually happen?

1710
02:00:37,180 --> 02:00:38,160
Is that an allegory?

1711
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:44,780
Well, there's a clue that's in the Epic of Gilgamesh that's on like tablet 10 that almost

1712
02:00:44,780 --> 02:00:50,560
nobody gets to because they have to wade through all the astronomical things and him fighting

1713
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:54,380
the monster and like his journey with Enkidu.

1714
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:57,020
And they're like, oh, that's none of that makes sense or is real.

1715
02:00:57,020 --> 02:00:59,480
And you're like, well, no, it's, it's probably not.

1716
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:04,780
It's an allegory except until you get to a certain part in that buried in that tablet

1717
02:01:04,780 --> 02:01:14,040
is a moment where you get to Gilgamesh going to, he says he wants to seek out the flood

1718
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:18,360
hero, Untepishtim, to learn the secrets of immortality.

1719
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:20,000
Then you start being like, wait a minute.

1720
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,460
So there's some real aspects to this, right?

1721
02:01:22,460 --> 02:01:28,760
And so what happens is, do you, you know, the Greek, uh, ferry, ferry boat, man, ferry

1722
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:29,760
man of the underworld, right?

1723
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,900
Sharon, have you seen that where he's got the staff and he's got the hood and he's like,

1724
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,300
you're going to put two gold coins on to ferry in the underworld?

1725
02:01:36,460 --> 02:01:37,260
The river sticks.

1726
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:40,460
That came from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

1727
02:01:40,900 --> 02:01:43,660
That was the oldest recorded record of that.

1728
02:01:43,740 --> 02:01:44,880
I think the Greeks came later.

1729
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:50,860
This was a, this was an earlier time period where that first iteration of that, that

1730
02:01:50,860 --> 02:01:52,080
concept came from.

1731
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:55,860
And in that Gilgamesh seeks out and finds the ferry man.

1732
02:01:56,140 --> 02:02:00,220
Again, again, this is a weird concept to think like, is this a metaphysical journey?

1733
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:01,920
How is this even possible?

1734
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:06,920
Like to be in the underworld and do this, that part is mysterious, of course.

1735
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:09,720
And I think we still don't understand certain aspects of reality.

1736
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:15,260
Well, yeah, I mean, that would be like the Persephone's quest, you know, kind of proverbial

1737
02:02:15,260 --> 02:02:16,640
mystery ritual or something.

1738
02:02:17,020 --> 02:02:20,840
Well, and then there's this, there's this part though that comes up that's key to this

1739
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:21,320
whole thing.

1740
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:22,560
It's key.

1741
02:02:22,860 --> 02:02:30,460
And in that Gilgamesh gets, goes to Sharon and gets on the boat and he pays him and he

1742
02:02:30,460 --> 02:02:36,840
ferries him into the underworld because it turns out no being can be immortal and live in a material,

1743
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:41,200
in a, in a mortal world, in a material world, all organic matter breaks down.

1744
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:46,340
And so the only way that Untepishtim, the, the, the Noah figure, the only way he could

1745
02:02:46,340 --> 02:02:49,180
ever be immortal is to live in the underworld.

1746
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:50,080
Okay.

1747
02:02:50,140 --> 02:02:51,900
So that's essentially where that comes from.

1748
02:02:51,900 --> 02:02:56,060
And the idea of Ishtar's descent in the underworld and all those ancient Sumerian stories.

1749
02:02:56,680 --> 02:03:02,940
Now, so Gilgamesh travels in the underworld to go and find, um, Zayasudra.

1750
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:06,000
He finds him on this like island it describes.

1751
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:06,700
Okay.

1752
02:03:07,740 --> 02:03:11,080
He goes there and he seeks them out and there he is.

1753
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:16,900
And he has, anybody can go and read this, uh, especially in the latest book I just published

1754
02:03:16,900 --> 02:03:18,900
called The Epic of Humanity.

1755
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:23,360
I have the whole translation of this in there if they want to, because sometimes these tablets

1756
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:25,740
can be hard to find the right versions.

1757
02:03:26,020 --> 02:03:30,100
So one of the things we did with The Epic of Humanity is we included all the most important

1758
02:03:30,100 --> 02:03:32,440
passages from the best translators in there.

1759
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:36,840
You can read, um, and you can find that on Amazon and on the stage of time.com.

1760
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:44,580
Anyway, he finds the Noah figure and he asks him, how did you obtain immortality?

1761
02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:45,800
I wish to know.

1762
02:03:46,660 --> 02:03:47,880
And I'm paraphrasing here.

1763
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:54,820
And the Noah figure says, oh, Gilgamesh, uh, I will tell you an ancient story.

1764
02:03:55,180 --> 02:04:01,500
He says, there was once a city called Shurupak, far older than your time.

1765
02:04:01,500 --> 02:04:06,880
So old that when Gilgamesh is alive, which I do believe is the time period that we're

1766
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,200
told he's alive, right?

1767
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:17,820
3,500 years ago, whatever it is, 4,000 years ago, somewhere in that region that he, he knew

1768
02:04:17,820 --> 02:04:22,880
about something extremely ancient and that's what he was going there for.

1769
02:04:23,140 --> 02:04:28,200
So he says, oh, Gilgamesh, let me tell you about a city, the ancient city of Shurupak that

1770
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:32,360
remember that's supposed to be the last city created when the first five that was destroyed

1771
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:34,420
where the Noah figure came from.

1772
02:04:34,580 --> 02:04:38,740
So it makes complete sense that he would have all the knowledge of Shurupak because he was

1773
02:04:38,740 --> 02:04:42,500
the last king and sage of that city before it was all destroyed.

1774
02:04:42,540 --> 02:04:43,020
Make sense?

1775
02:04:43,940 --> 02:04:49,280
So he says, let me tell you a story of this ancient city of Shurupak long before you.

1776
02:04:49,700 --> 02:04:52,500
It's so old that the gods were once in it.

1777
02:04:53,340 --> 02:04:55,600
That's what those are quotes that he says were once in it.

1778
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:57,420
And you're like, that's weird, right?

1779
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,740
So go forward.

1780
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:03,200
He, by the way, he doesn't see good mortality.

1781
02:05:05,020 --> 02:05:10,300
Untapishnam tells him if you can dive down and get this rare plant or if you can try to

1782
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:14,820
stay awake for seven days, he gives him these tasks to try to do and Gilgamesh fails all

1783
02:05:14,820 --> 02:05:16,960
of them and then ends up going back empty handed to a rock.

1784
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:18,780
So it ends up kind of sad, right?

1785
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,500
But that doesn't really matter because you find out something really strange.

1786
02:05:22,500 --> 02:05:30,500
Like, so Shurupak was a real place and this figure was a real person that was there and

1787
02:05:30,500 --> 02:05:32,540
these events, some of them are real.

1788
02:05:33,060 --> 02:05:37,800
That's where I started getting more interested and I started studying and it turns out they

1789
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:40,580
found the city of Shurupak in 1931.

1790
02:05:41,580 --> 02:05:48,120
In that area of Iraq, just they had this hunch, they believe, based on data and information

1791
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:49,200
where they thought it was.

1792
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:57,640
It was below this modern, well, modern day village called Telfara, okay?

1793
02:05:58,540 --> 02:05:59,220
Telfara.

1794
02:05:59,540 --> 02:06:06,420
And so they dig down below Telfara and they end up hitting these different layers of civilization.

1795
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:09,300
Not just one, but three.

1796
02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:14,320
And they called them Strata 1, 2, and 3.

1797
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:20,420
Now Strata 1 was the deepest, 2 being the middle, and then 3 being the more recent, okay?

1798
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:23,000
So they start down, they first hit Strata 3.

1799
02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:25,300
They called it Strata because it's different layers.

1800
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:33,460
Strata 3 was the much more recent time period of that region where they had tablets still,

1801
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:35,460
but the pottery was actually kind of primitive.

1802
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:39,200
It was an interesting culture that had come after Gilgamesh, right?

1803
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:43,340
So there's like another culture after Gilgamesh that ends up living in that region.

1804
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:50,300
As they get down further and they dig down to like six to eight feet, right?

1805
02:06:50,440 --> 02:06:56,880
They hit what they call the Uruk or Ur civilization, and they find tablets related to Gilgamesh.

1806
02:06:57,080 --> 02:07:00,740
And they find, well, this is when Gilgamesh lived, and they acknowledge that.

1807
02:07:01,020 --> 02:07:02,180
They call it Strata 2.

1808
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:05,080
So here's Gilgamesh's time, right?

1809
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:06,860
They're writing all the tablets.

1810
02:07:06,980 --> 02:07:08,940
They're writing about the floods and all these different events.

1811
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:11,140
So that's 3,500 to 4,000 years ago.

1812
02:07:11,140 --> 02:07:11,420
Exactly.

1813
02:07:11,900 --> 02:07:16,340
Now, if you were a civilization writing about a previous event, it would make sense that

1814
02:07:16,340 --> 02:07:19,540
the people that had the event occur to them would not be the ones writing about it, right?

1815
02:07:19,540 --> 02:07:20,180
Because they'd be gone.

1816
02:07:20,260 --> 02:07:20,620
Yeah, of course.

1817
02:07:20,660 --> 02:07:25,280
So it would be like stories and things that would be woven down, and then you would write

1818
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:26,420
their stories, right?

1819
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:27,860
How old is tier three?

1820
02:07:28,140 --> 02:07:30,540
Well, so they – well, this is what's wild.

1821
02:07:30,540 --> 02:07:38,800
After they hit Strata 3, because archaeology isn't supposed to exist before that, 80%

1822
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:40,400
of the entire team left.

1823
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:42,560
They all left.

1824
02:07:42,780 --> 02:07:43,020
What?

1825
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:45,840
They're like, you guys are wasting your time, basically.

1826
02:07:45,980 --> 02:07:46,440
I'm paraphrasing.

1827
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:50,060
And you can go on – and this is a big part of the new book I'm writing.

1828
02:07:50,580 --> 02:07:52,740
The new book is going to be called The Missing Key of History.

1829
02:07:52,900 --> 02:07:54,180
It details all of this.

1830
02:07:54,180 --> 02:07:59,420
But this – and so if you go on Penn Museum Archive, you just look up the city of Shurupak.

1831
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:01,840
You can read this whole thing I'm telling you right now, okay?

1832
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:06,740
It's very beautiful, beautifully laid out, a great document that has all the information

1833
02:08:06,740 --> 02:08:08,000
and diagrams and stuff, okay?

1834
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:16,680
So in that, they hit this Strata 2 civilization, which is when the known Akkadians and Assyrians

1835
02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:18,140
and all these guys are supposed to live.

1836
02:08:18,140 --> 02:08:24,500
And they start digging down further and they find no more human remains, no human activity

1837
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:28,740
at all for three feet, four feet, which is a long way to go.

1838
02:08:28,900 --> 02:08:30,320
And everyone is like, you know what?

1839
02:08:30,340 --> 02:08:34,640
This is a waste of time and like 70% of them or something like all leave.

1840
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:39,880
Except some of the archaeologists in some of the better workmen stayed.

1841
02:08:40,300 --> 02:08:42,920
They're like, why do you think they stayed?

1842
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:46,600
They're like, we haven't found Shurupak yet, okay?

1843
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:49,240
We haven't found Shurupak yet.

1844
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:57,680
So they continue digging and they find this layer underneath Strata 2, as I said, that

1845
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:00,460
is three to four feet thick, okay?

1846
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:03,400
Like pretty sizable layer.

1847
02:09:04,060 --> 02:09:10,960
No signs of human activity, no fragments of any kind other than just alluvial material.

1848
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:14,600
Alluvial means river or flood deposited, right?

1849
02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:18,920
Just like the stories of the great flood, okay?

1850
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:24,700
Like Autrahasis and the stories of Shurupak being wiped out by a great flood and being buried

1851
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:25,480
and sealed, okay?

1852
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,020
While they stick around, it's the British and the Germans digging, okay?

1853
02:09:29,380 --> 02:09:33,300
And they dig further and further because they just had a hunch.

1854
02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:43,320
And at 16 feet down, 16 feet from the top, now two civilizations above them, they all of

1855
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:44,080
a sudden hit something.

1856
02:09:44,540 --> 02:09:49,700
They hit areas of scattered tablets and scattered fragments of stuff.

1857
02:09:49,700 --> 02:09:57,460
And they find tablets right above it and below that show, because they actually found a tablet

1858
02:09:57,460 --> 02:10:01,080
above in Strata 2 that said Shurupak was here, but they didn't find Shurupak.

1859
02:10:01,180 --> 02:10:03,280
So they're like, it's got to be down there somewhere.

1860
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:06,300
So they end up finding this base layer.

1861
02:10:06,300 --> 02:10:09,360
And it's total anarchy from what they can see.

1862
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:13,260
Most of the belongings have been removed, have been like taken.

1863
02:10:13,940 --> 02:10:18,380
Something, it looked like they had, the people had like left is what they came to the conclusion

1864
02:10:18,380 --> 02:10:18,700
of.

1865
02:10:18,940 --> 02:10:21,600
And they find some beautiful, beautiful pottery.

1866
02:10:21,740 --> 02:10:24,340
They actually found this really weird diorite hand.

1867
02:10:24,780 --> 02:10:27,720
Diorite's one of the hardest stones on earth that has six fingers.

1868
02:10:28,300 --> 02:10:29,580
And there's an image of that.

1869
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:33,320
I'm going to include in the book and it's in on the Penn excavation report.

1870
02:10:33,320 --> 02:10:36,520
So weird, it's a hand, but with six fingers.

1871
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:38,900
Very bizarre, whatever that means.

1872
02:10:39,340 --> 02:10:41,200
But anyway, diorite's an extremely hard stone.

1873
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,440
So no primitive civilization can carve things like that.

1874
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,560
Very well carved diorite hand.

1875
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:49,420
And they find all this beautiful, beautiful pottery.

1876
02:10:49,780 --> 02:10:51,820
And they find these tablets and different things.

1877
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:53,940
And they're like, oh my God, we found Shurupak.

1878
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:57,600
Okay, 16 feet to 22 feet down.

1879
02:10:58,040 --> 02:10:59,440
Massive amount of area.

1880
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:06,000
And they have, of course, right on top of it is this four-foot alluvial flood layer sitting

1881
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:06,760
on top of it.

1882
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,200
Now, in that article, I highly recommend people read it.

1883
02:11:10,460 --> 02:11:14,940
There's this whole conclusions part at the bottom where they end up discussing how there

1884
02:11:14,940 --> 02:11:21,500
are very, very interesting similarities from the ancient Untapishtim Zayasudra story that

1885
02:11:21,500 --> 02:11:22,760
match what they found.

1886
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:28,120
However, at the very end, they say, this is simply, I'm paraphrasing, this is simply a

1887
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:30,620
play off of thoughts and off of words.

1888
02:11:30,820 --> 02:11:35,920
We don't really think that this could actually have existed like they said, but it is interesting

1889
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:36,340
nonetheless.

1890
02:11:36,760 --> 02:11:38,020
They do any sort of dating?

1891
02:11:38,860 --> 02:11:43,340
Well, the dating is very, yeah, it's very difficult to date things like that.

1892
02:11:43,380 --> 02:11:43,620
Okay.

1893
02:11:43,740 --> 02:11:45,780
But you have this flood layer above tier three.

1894
02:11:45,780 --> 02:11:48,540
So they see the similarities and this is where I get on board.

1895
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:56,120
I find that article, studied the hell out of it, realized, okay, this might be like real

1896
02:11:56,120 --> 02:12:01,600
evidence to prove that these things really happened and that this is actual archaeologists

1897
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:05,840
saying and pointing towards something mysterious.

1898
02:12:06,380 --> 02:12:08,760
And that's where it led to all of this.

1899
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:09,440
Okay.

1900
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:12,220
Because now I'm like, okay, so Shrupak was real.

1901
02:12:12,740 --> 02:12:13,500
Erida was real.

1902
02:12:14,100 --> 02:12:15,000
Zayasudra was real.

1903
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:17,860
Oh my God, did they really land in the Ararat Mountains?

1904
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:18,800
Okay.

1905
02:12:19,340 --> 02:12:19,640
Right.

1906
02:12:20,040 --> 02:12:21,720
So it all starts to unfold.

1907
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:24,060
So I start studying that region.

1908
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,100
It's Eastern Turkey.

1909
02:12:26,200 --> 02:12:27,120
Today, it's Eastern Turkey.

1910
02:12:27,220 --> 02:12:27,920
It used to be Armenia.

1911
02:12:28,940 --> 02:12:32,400
So I'm looking around, looking around, and I stumble across.

1912
02:12:32,620 --> 02:12:39,160
Why do those civilizations, so Shrupak's real, Erdo's real, all of that stuff's in Iraq

1913
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:40,120
and the Fertile Crescent.

1914
02:12:40,780 --> 02:12:42,900
What does that have to do with, you know, anything?

1915
02:12:42,900 --> 02:12:46,020
Because the stories state that they landed in the Ararat Mountains.

1916
02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,820
So you're saying, let's try to figure out whether that's true, too.

1917
02:12:48,820 --> 02:12:49,220
Exactly.

1918
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:49,620
Yeah.

1919
02:12:49,940 --> 02:12:55,660
Now, I initially wasn't necessarily being like, okay, I'm going to find evidence of that.

1920
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:57,880
In fact, it sort of fell in my lap.

1921
02:12:57,880 --> 02:13:03,840
I was just looking around that area, and I stumbled across these very mysterious sites

1922
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:05,340
that were brand new.

1923
02:13:05,620 --> 02:13:08,580
The world has, like, really never even heard of.

1924
02:13:08,900 --> 02:13:14,760
Some of these sites are found in 2017, 2001.

1925
02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:18,760
We're talking about, you think, we think Gobekli Tepe is new.

1926
02:13:18,820 --> 02:13:21,980
That was found in the 1800s and then fully excavated in the 1940s.

1927
02:13:21,980 --> 02:13:25,000
Because we're talking about something way newer than that stuff.

1928
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,700
And when we're saying, so Gilgamesh is the king of Erdo.

1929
02:13:28,340 --> 02:13:29,340
Oh, Urak.

1930
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:30,140
In Ura.

1931
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:31,160
Oh, okay.

1932
02:13:31,460 --> 02:13:35,900
So Erdo is related to a previous king, not related to Gilgamesh.

1933
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:36,980
It's a totally different time.

1934
02:13:37,120 --> 02:13:37,140
That's right, Urak.

1935
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:37,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1936
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:37,820
Yeah.

1937
02:13:37,900 --> 02:13:38,020
Okay.

1938
02:13:38,020 --> 02:13:44,220
So Gilgamesh is the king of Urak, and the epic of Gilgamesh says that he is landing

1939
02:13:44,220 --> 02:13:45,340
in modern-day Turkey?

1940
02:13:45,340 --> 02:13:45,480
No, no.

1941
02:13:45,700 --> 02:13:51,940
He seeks out the flood hero to learn about the secrets of immortality from that figure.

1942
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:52,580
Yes.

1943
02:13:52,660 --> 02:13:58,500
From the ancient Sumerian figure of Zayasudra, Untepishtim, who became the Noah figure in Christianity.

1944
02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:02,040
But then what's the connection then between that and Turkey and modern-day Turkey?

1945
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:09,020
Because in the stories that Zayasudra and his family, they land in the Ararat Mountains

1946
02:14:09,020 --> 02:14:10,160
after the flood.

1947
02:14:10,220 --> 02:14:11,680
After the flood, they land there.

1948
02:14:11,740 --> 02:14:12,020
Yes.

1949
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:12,380
Got it.

1950
02:14:12,420 --> 02:14:17,680
And I believe that flood was not Younger Dryas, but actually a completely different event way

1951
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:18,320
before it.

1952
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:23,520
Because we had this whole time period of an emergence of something that happened.

1953
02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:28,220
Now, Christianity, early Christianity and Hebrew traditions already state this.

1954
02:14:28,220 --> 02:14:33,020
It already state that the sons of Noah repopulated and traveled around the world.

1955
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:35,160
That's Japheth, Shem, and Ham.

1956
02:14:35,820 --> 02:14:36,960
They already state that.

1957
02:14:37,020 --> 02:14:41,480
There's like biblical, all kinds of ancient knowledge around this, except they don't believe

1958
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:43,340
that it was before 6,000 years ago.

1959
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:45,500
What's your best guess as to the date?

1960
02:14:46,020 --> 02:14:47,880
Could be up to 40,000 years ago.

1961
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:54,300
Based on looking at ice core sampling and previous climatic events of when floods could have occurred

1962
02:14:54,300 --> 02:14:55,940
in these things on the earth.

1963
02:14:55,940 --> 02:15:00,420
Again, studying Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and then studying alignments with Greenland

1964
02:15:00,420 --> 02:15:03,820
when north was in that position and different things like that.

1965
02:15:04,820 --> 02:15:04,940
Wow.

1966
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,820
So would the implication then be that Cherupak is...

1967
02:15:07,820 --> 02:15:08,120
Yes.

1968
02:15:08,380 --> 02:15:08,940
That old?

1969
02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:10,840
Like the oldest cities on earth.

1970
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:11,400
Wow.

1971
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:15,000
And it was sealed and buried and concealed by the flood.

1972
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:18,000
And then other civilizations ended up building right on top of it.

1973
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:21,760
But there was so much flood debris and material that they never even reached it.

1974
02:15:22,780 --> 02:15:24,280
It was like sealed off.

1975
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:27,320
We've got to get these dating techniques better.

1976
02:15:27,420 --> 02:15:29,400
It's so frustrating when you find all this stuff.

1977
02:15:29,500 --> 02:15:30,400
And then it is above a flood.

1978
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:31,640
It's below a flood layer.

1979
02:15:32,040 --> 02:15:35,760
So like that should be, you know, some decent evidence that, you know, this stuff is older

1980
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:36,140
than...

1981
02:15:36,140 --> 02:15:41,440
Well, archaeologists say that it was a local river event of flooding because the Euphrates

1982
02:15:41,440 --> 02:15:43,300
is prone to some flooding events.

1983
02:15:43,300 --> 02:15:51,240
However, in pictures of Eridu, I was able to identify ocean shells that are still on the

1984
02:15:51,240 --> 02:15:57,780
Ziggurat summit that would have been more inclined to have like a Persian Gulf flood from the ocean

1985
02:15:57,780 --> 02:16:01,380
and maybe even the Black Sea that engulfed that entire region.

1986
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:02,400
That's wild.

1987
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:03,560
Well, yeah.

1988
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:04,820
I mean...

1989
02:16:04,820 --> 02:16:05,820
They're not river shells.

1990
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:06,720
They're ocean shells.

1991
02:16:06,980 --> 02:16:07,320
Uh-huh.

1992
02:16:08,440 --> 02:16:09,240
And what's the...

1993
02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:09,760
I mean, that's...

1994
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,060
Well, there's freshwater snails.

1995
02:16:11,460 --> 02:16:12,800
There's freshwater things like that.

1996
02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:15,300
But these are ocean shells that are sticking out of the ground.

1997
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:20,600
That would be some evidence to potentially prove that or at least suggest or point towards

1998
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:25,380
that this was a flood that was related to the Persian Gulf and not just like the Euphrates

1999
02:16:25,380 --> 02:16:28,460
River flooding during seasonal rises.

2000
02:16:28,460 --> 02:16:36,220
But do you really believe that at that time technology could have even possibly existed to get into

2001
02:16:36,220 --> 02:16:39,700
a boat and then land, you know, pretty far away?

2002
02:16:39,880 --> 02:16:44,740
Well, it's described that very, very extensively that the details of how to build it and how

2003
02:16:44,740 --> 02:16:46,580
to survive were told.

2004
02:16:46,860 --> 02:16:47,180
Uh-huh.

2005
02:16:47,820 --> 02:16:49,980
Like so that humanity could survive.

2006
02:16:50,340 --> 02:16:51,260
It's...

2007
02:16:51,260 --> 02:16:55,440
Again, if you want to read the tablets, you read the Epic of Humanity, they're all in there

2008
02:16:55,440 --> 02:17:00,180
and it's very detailed with like the amount of bitumen and the type of wood because cedar

2009
02:17:00,180 --> 02:17:01,660
is the toughest wood on earth.

2010
02:17:01,780 --> 02:17:07,260
It's a very specific type of wood and how to build it and how to seal it off and that

2011
02:17:07,260 --> 02:17:14,220
they did survive this event and that they landed up there and that's why there's so many ancient

2012
02:17:14,220 --> 02:17:15,960
traditions that say that that happened.

2013
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:23,380
Now, this leads to everything else that is right at the core of all this that you have

2014
02:17:23,380 --> 02:17:29,480
in front of you and that we were talking about before when I was studying these brand new

2015
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:30,700
sites around Lake Vaughn.

2016
02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:34,300
Now, Lake Vaughn is not that far from the Ararat Mountains.

2017
02:17:34,740 --> 02:17:40,940
It's relatively in the same area except that the reason I think they picked Lake Vaughn is

2018
02:17:40,940 --> 02:17:44,680
that it is, for instance, by the way, it's the fourth deepest lake on earth.

2019
02:17:44,820 --> 02:17:48,800
It's 1,500 feet deep and it has volcanoes all around it.

2020
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:54,620
When you have that, you create a very, very fertile soil for growing and creating agriculture,

2021
02:17:54,720 --> 02:17:59,660
the perfect place to create a new civilization, new civilization.

2022
02:18:00,180 --> 02:18:07,660
And that is what I believe potentially happened in that region was that those, that group who

2023
02:18:07,660 --> 02:18:13,340
are very, very wise sages were literally being helped by the gods as they describe it, created

2024
02:18:13,340 --> 02:18:21,840
something there that potentially has traveled and became maritime and maybe the answer to

2025
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:31,100
Peru and Bolivia and even like Egypt and basically this lost key to the lost civilizations of earth.

2026
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:35,820
And I can go all into the details of why I would make that very, very bold statement.

2027
02:18:36,260 --> 02:18:37,760
Okay, go for it.

2028
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:46,620
So when I was studying these sites, again, very new, like Ionis and Kef Kalesi and Shavu's

2029
02:18:46,620 --> 02:18:53,100
Tepe and Korozut and Asvernatepe, all these different sites, you find all these similarities between

2030
02:18:53,100 --> 02:18:53,360
them.

2031
02:18:53,540 --> 02:18:59,160
The first thing that's very strange is they have extremely sophisticated stonework.

2032
02:18:59,640 --> 02:19:05,560
Like, I mean, megaliths, multi-ton blocks that are carved out of very, very hard stone.

2033
02:19:05,560 --> 02:19:08,340
And they only used three types of stone.

2034
02:19:08,460 --> 02:19:10,300
They never used anything even local.

2035
02:19:10,620 --> 02:19:15,000
For instance, a lot of that region is actually limestone that has volcanics around it.

2036
02:19:15,100 --> 02:19:19,800
But the areas they built these temples on was usually limestone, but they didn't use the

2037
02:19:19,800 --> 02:19:21,260
limestone blocks at all.

2038
02:19:21,880 --> 02:19:28,080
In fact, some of the basalt that they used in this construction is considered to possibly

2039
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,820
come from 350 miles away.

2040
02:19:30,820 --> 02:19:36,820
Because of the quality of it, there's nothing in the region that has quarries that supports

2041
02:19:36,820 --> 02:19:37,120
that.

2042
02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:41,560
And some of it even came from volcanoes like Mount Soufan, like at Kef.

2043
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:46,080
But again, we're talking about a civilization that mimics like what we're seeing in Egypt,

2044
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:51,580
with this idea of a lost civilization before the dynastic Egyptians that had gone to great

2045
02:19:51,580 --> 02:19:55,860
lengths to create massive things with stones that they didn't care where they came from,

2046
02:19:55,860 --> 02:19:59,760
but there was energetic reasons that were very important to them, where they would go

2047
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:04,180
and obtain them to build these things, and then they seemingly were wiped out, and then

2048
02:20:04,180 --> 02:20:05,380
another culture came later.

2049
02:20:05,720 --> 02:20:10,900
Now, that dynastic equivalent of Egyptians would be what I believe are called the Eurartians.

2050
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,560
The Eurartians in this region, 2100 BC, right?

2051
02:20:15,700 --> 02:20:17,020
About 3,000 years ago.

2052
02:20:17,020 --> 02:20:22,480
So, they share a lot of similarities with the Assyrian civilization of the north.

2053
02:20:22,580 --> 02:20:26,780
Remember I said there was a re-emergence of civilization in Mesopotamia during the time

2054
02:20:26,780 --> 02:20:27,880
of Gilgamesh, right?

2055
02:20:28,260 --> 02:20:32,520
You had the Akkadians and Assyrians that re-emerged out of the ashes of the Sumerians.

2056
02:20:33,020 --> 02:20:37,940
They then know about the stories and things, but they're like a kind of a warlike culture

2057
02:20:37,940 --> 02:20:38,320
a bit.

2058
02:20:38,660 --> 02:20:41,680
Ashurban and Paul is collecting all these tablets and creating these libraries.

2059
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:49,100
But what you have is, I believe, a branch of the Assyrians that moved into what I'm calling

2060
02:20:49,100 --> 02:20:51,780
this old holy land, right?

2061
02:20:51,860 --> 02:20:56,200
That went up in that region and created a completely separate civilization, right?

2062
02:20:57,080 --> 02:21:02,680
Hundreds of years go by, they build this civilization, and then the Assyrians and the Babylonians

2063
02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:05,600
invade and destroy them and wipe them out, right?

2064
02:21:05,860 --> 02:21:07,480
Poof, they disappear from history.

2065
02:21:07,480 --> 02:21:13,280
But they leave behind all of these mud brick castles and all of these crude stones and

2066
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:19,660
all of this stuff that's built almost entirely on, or in many cases, on these older foundations,

2067
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:21,040
just like in Egypt.

2068
02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:21,820
Make sense?

2069
02:21:22,580 --> 02:21:29,740
So, when I stumble across this and I see sites like Ionis and Kef Kalesi with these machine-like

2070
02:21:29,740 --> 02:21:32,880
cut stones, but not just the precision of their work.

2071
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:38,060
The fact that they were sun temples aligning to either the rising or the setting sun, but

2072
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:44,760
also having motifs and specific symbols that then we find all around the world.

2073
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:52,800
And what those motifs represent and those symbols, I believe, became the core of ancient secret

2074
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:59,060
societies and things like the Knights Templar and things like the triptych doorway knowledge

2075
02:21:59,060 --> 02:22:04,080
we see all around the world, this idea that they're like the Trinity, right?

2076
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:07,140
The Holy Trinity in Christianity, the Father, Son, the Holy Ghost.

2077
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:08,640
But what does it really mean?

2078
02:22:08,840 --> 02:22:12,800
I think it represents the three sides of us, right?

2079
02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:15,580
We have the mind, the body, and then the spirit.

2080
02:22:15,900 --> 02:22:21,500
And if those three things are balanced, we essentially ascend into this higher form, right?

2081
02:22:21,500 --> 02:22:27,520
I think Jesus and Buddha and all these individuals in history have just basically been sages trying

2082
02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:29,180
to teach us that very same thing.

2083
02:22:29,440 --> 02:22:31,280
And where did that knowledge come from?

2084
02:22:31,520 --> 02:22:38,980
I believe it was lowered at these sites because all of the symbols all come back to here.

2085
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:42,920
All the building styles seem to be traced back to here.

2086
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:48,760
All the ancient traditions say that these three suns traveled around the world and then provided

2087
02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:49,320
the knowledge.

2088
02:22:49,320 --> 02:22:52,080
It all seems to come back to one place.

2089
02:22:52,400 --> 02:22:57,460
And what you have in front of you is a giant basalt, what's called a bas-relief.

2090
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:05,160
And it is this massive three foot by three foot by four foot stone column block that has

2091
02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:10,560
all these sacred teachings that literally became what I think is the basis of Hermeticism itself.

2092
02:23:10,940 --> 02:23:13,140
You have the concepts of the law of correspondence.

2093
02:23:13,560 --> 02:23:17,220
You have the concepts of feminine and masculine.

2094
02:23:17,220 --> 02:23:22,300
You have the tree of life that we find throughout Assyrian civilizations and others.

2095
02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:29,120
You have even the passing of the pine cone, which we see all around the world in civilizations.

2096
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,580
And remember with the handbag and the pine cone?

2097
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:31,820
Yeah.

2098
02:23:31,980 --> 02:23:37,500
You see the first, what I believe is the first iteration on that anywhere in the world.

2099
02:23:37,500 --> 02:23:38,280
Wow.

2100
02:23:38,420 --> 02:23:44,160
And not only that, but the original sun cross that became the Knights Templar cross.

2101
02:23:44,840 --> 02:23:52,140
All from the same locations in this part of Turkey that just happened to correspond to where

2102
02:23:52,140 --> 02:23:55,060
these divine sages were supposed to have landed.

2103
02:23:55,060 --> 02:24:02,020
So you think they had sort of ancient Hermetic wisdom that then has only been conserved via

2104
02:24:02,020 --> 02:24:03,540
secret societies since?

2105
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:04,580
Yeah.

2106
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:06,500
And so what do you think these symbols mean?

2107
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:10,420
So like, you know, we talked about the, you know, Trinity.

2108
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:11,860
What about the cross?

2109
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:18,500
Well, the sun cross represents what I believe is this balance of all harmonic things, everything.

2110
02:24:18,500 --> 02:24:23,900
And I think it goes back to this idea of source or God, the balance of all things, right?

2111
02:24:23,900 --> 02:24:28,780
And that's why the cross became such an integral part of Christianity, but not that cross.

2112
02:24:29,260 --> 02:24:35,020
What's interesting is that Christianity's cross is not shared by that cross except for the

2113
02:24:35,020 --> 02:24:41,780
Vatican and like the Pope and the Vatican have that very same cross.

2114
02:24:41,780 --> 02:24:49,720
Not only that, the Pope has it on its, on its cloak and in front of the Vatican is a giant

2115
02:24:49,720 --> 02:24:50,300
pine cone.

2116
02:24:50,580 --> 02:24:50,780
Yeah.

2117
02:24:51,220 --> 02:24:51,860
I've seen it.

2118
02:24:52,060 --> 02:24:54,660
Very same symbols that come from this region.

2119
02:24:55,020 --> 02:24:55,220
Yeah.

2120
02:24:55,420 --> 02:25:02,840
And that's why I believe, for instance, these sites were visited by Xerxes, Alexander the

2121
02:25:02,840 --> 02:25:06,820
Great, and many, many other great people throughout history.

2122
02:25:07,020 --> 02:25:09,260
Xerxes is Persian, Alexander the Great's Roman.

2123
02:25:09,560 --> 02:25:11,540
It's like they're all going back to somewhere.

2124
02:25:11,540 --> 02:25:15,040
You think they're trying to find something special at this site?

2125
02:25:15,160 --> 02:25:15,380
Exactly.

2126
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:16,820
What do you think they're looking for?

2127
02:25:16,920 --> 02:25:20,680
I think they're looking for the holy knowledge of, you ready for this?

2128
02:25:20,780 --> 02:25:22,560
Take that other one out, the big one underneath there.

2129
02:25:22,700 --> 02:25:22,920
Yeah.

2130
02:25:23,220 --> 02:25:24,680
Look at what he's holding in his hand.

2131
02:25:27,100 --> 02:25:29,000
Looks like maybe an acacia leaf?

2132
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:30,100
No, not that.

2133
02:25:30,180 --> 02:25:30,700
The other thing.

2134
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:31,540
Oh.

2135
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:34,740
Like a little-

2136
02:25:34,740 --> 02:25:36,060
Like a cup or a chalice.

2137
02:25:36,100 --> 02:25:37,580
Yeah, like maybe a holy grail or something.

2138
02:25:37,820 --> 02:25:38,220
Exactly.

2139
02:25:38,420 --> 02:25:38,720
Really?

2140
02:25:39,140 --> 02:25:39,540
Exactly.

2141
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:40,840
Interesting.

2142
02:25:40,840 --> 02:25:45,580
And if you look up what that means, it means we know what some of these things mean, right?

2143
02:25:45,580 --> 02:25:52,020
If you look up what a cup means in religion, it means the passing of a spiritual or religious

2144
02:25:52,020 --> 02:25:53,540
doctrine, okay?

2145
02:25:54,320 --> 02:26:01,500
He's now holding a pine cone for knowledge that is coming off of the central tree of life

2146
02:26:01,500 --> 02:26:05,680
in the center that has three different ones with balancing of the center.

2147
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:12,360
Now, if you look at the top, do you see the three-step pyramids with the two eagles on either end?

2148
02:26:12,500 --> 02:26:12,820
Yes.

2149
02:26:13,020 --> 02:26:19,820
Now, look at what the flowering of the center that comes right off of where basically his head is pointing towards.

2150
02:26:19,860 --> 02:26:20,220
You see that?

2151
02:26:20,360 --> 02:26:20,620
Mm-hmm.

2152
02:26:20,620 --> 02:26:28,420
Now, that consists of seven rays, which I believe correspond to the seven colors of the visible

2153
02:26:28,420 --> 02:26:29,040
light spectrum.

2154
02:26:29,700 --> 02:26:30,140
Interesting.

2155
02:26:30,400 --> 02:26:36,740
And we also have seven chakras inside us that is talked about during Kundalini in ancient-

2156
02:26:36,740 --> 02:26:37,980
Well, seven comes up a lot.

2157
02:26:38,060 --> 02:26:39,120
You have the seven hekelos.

2158
02:26:39,180 --> 02:26:39,980
Seven sages.

2159
02:26:40,300 --> 02:26:42,240
Seven arit in the Egyptian.

2160
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:47,020
You know, these are palaces that you go through, sort of Kabbalistic protocols where, yeah.

2161
02:26:47,400 --> 02:26:47,680
Okay.

2162
02:26:47,860 --> 02:26:53,380
So, I think what we're talking about right now are literally some of the most holy sites

2163
02:26:53,380 --> 02:26:57,840
on Earth with knowledge that's then passed around the world.

2164
02:26:58,060 --> 02:27:01,680
And archaeologists have severely gotten this wrong.

2165
02:27:01,720 --> 02:27:02,300
It's fascinating.

2166
02:27:02,440 --> 02:27:06,240
I mean, when you talk to, like, Brian Morescu, who wrote, you know, The Immortality Key, he

2167
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:09,560
talks about the Eleusinian mystery rituals much later, obviously, in Greece.

2168
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:15,020
But when you go deeper with him, he'll say, no, this stuff has actually been going on well

2169
02:27:15,020 --> 02:27:16,700
before the Eleusinian mystery rituals.

2170
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:21,580
You've had Minoan and Mycenaean proto-examples of these sort of mystery rituals.

2171
02:27:21,860 --> 02:27:29,540
And so, conserved knowledge via, you know, specific rituals and symbology, you know, kind

2172
02:27:29,540 --> 02:27:32,940
of makes sense that it would go back, you know, well before.

2173
02:27:32,940 --> 02:27:39,680
And maybe these things are, you know, can't be taught via transferring of documents and,

2174
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:43,500
you know, just, you know, pure, you know, just teaching semantic knowledge.

2175
02:27:43,700 --> 02:27:47,140
Maybe it's something that needs to be activated within a given individual.

2176
02:27:47,860 --> 02:27:52,260
Now, if you look at the other image to your right there, you can see the griffin that became

2177
02:27:52,260 --> 02:27:54,760
one of the core symbols of Greece, ancient Greece.

2178
02:27:54,760 --> 02:28:00,520
And I think, I believe, based on the trajectory of where these different groups went, that

2179
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:07,420
were part of the same area, the suns, is that even ancient, ancient Greece, just like Plato

2180
02:28:07,420 --> 02:28:13,460
and Plutarch discuss, has an earlier history than just, they're called the ancient Athenians

2181
02:28:13,460 --> 02:28:14,500
or proto-Athenians.

2182
02:28:15,060 --> 02:28:17,600
In those, they describes it actually fighting against Atlantis.

2183
02:28:17,700 --> 02:28:18,140
Yes, yeah.

2184
02:28:18,140 --> 02:28:25,840
And so what we could be looking at is the implications of the emergence of a global golden age that

2185
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:29,040
may even connect to the ancient Athenians in Atlantis.

2186
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:31,500
It's really, it's fascinating.

2187
02:28:31,660 --> 02:28:33,720
So what would the griffin, why would the griffin point?

2188
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:34,280
It's a guardian.

2189
02:28:34,820 --> 02:28:36,480
It's an ancient guardian in Greece.

2190
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:39,860
And it is guarding what I believe is the symbol of time.

2191
02:28:40,440 --> 02:28:41,000
Oh, yeah.

2192
02:28:41,080 --> 02:28:41,840
The hourglass.

2193
02:28:41,940 --> 02:28:42,160
Yeah.

2194
02:28:42,940 --> 02:28:46,880
And I believe that they're talking about guarding time for eternity.

2195
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:52,380
Basically, what they're guarding is, I believe, is this concept of balance and harmony in

2196
02:28:52,380 --> 02:28:53,120
all things.

2197
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:54,120
That's so interesting.

2198
02:28:54,320 --> 02:28:58,180
Well, you know, the Templars supposedly had the secrets of time travel.

2199
02:28:58,760 --> 02:29:02,920
You know, if you read the Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum, you know, there's a part where they

2200
02:29:02,920 --> 02:29:06,420
had these sort of rituals that they would do, and it's sort of related to Kundalini.

2201
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:11,680
And then, you know, at the very end of this crazy long description of the history of the

2202
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:16,400
Templars, Umberto Eco says, you know, maybe they even had the secrets of time travel.

2203
02:29:16,400 --> 02:29:20,240
Well, it's mind-boggling to consider, like, the connections, because let me give you an

2204
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:20,620
example.

2205
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:21,060
Yeah.

2206
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:27,140
In South America, in Bolivia, we have Viracocha holding the two condors on either side, which

2207
02:29:27,140 --> 02:29:31,260
I think is the same concept you see in front of you of the pillars of holding balance.

2208
02:29:31,620 --> 02:29:38,740
And that that god, Haldi, you see in front of you is the same thing as Viracocha.

2209
02:29:38,740 --> 02:29:44,700
And that the, that the, what we're seeing around Lake Titicaca with the emergence of

2210
02:29:44,700 --> 02:29:51,520
the pre-Tiwanaku civilizations in Pumupunku and around Peru is like a mirror, a mirror

2211
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:53,320
civilization that was created.

2212
02:29:53,700 --> 02:29:54,980
They were very much the same.

2213
02:29:55,240 --> 02:29:59,180
Lake Titicaca is one of the deepest lakes, just like Lake Vaughn, surrounded by volcanoes.

2214
02:29:59,180 --> 02:30:05,760
And they both built out of the same andesite basalt work that we see mimicking each other,

2215
02:30:05,820 --> 02:30:06,680
the same symbols.

2216
02:30:06,820 --> 02:30:08,040
So you have the same materials.

2217
02:30:08,180 --> 02:30:08,780
Same symbols.

2218
02:30:08,900 --> 02:30:10,420
The Chicana symbol, the cross.

2219
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:10,800
Yeah.

2220
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:15,320
The Viracocha, we see the same type of building style.

2221
02:30:15,860 --> 02:30:17,400
I show pictures from Kev Kolesi.

2222
02:30:17,400 --> 02:30:17,640
Where is that?

2223
02:30:17,740 --> 02:30:18,240
That's in Peru?

2224
02:30:18,440 --> 02:30:18,640
Yeah.

2225
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:24,900
How many sites do we have like this that we can correspond as far as symbology, materials,

2226
02:30:25,460 --> 02:30:25,920
structures?

2227
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:27,680
I'm tracing them all around the world.

2228
02:30:27,820 --> 02:30:28,140
How many?

2229
02:30:28,140 --> 02:30:29,300
Potentially even to Egypt.

2230
02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:29,860
How many?

2231
02:30:30,660 --> 02:30:32,000
At least half a dozen.

2232
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:34,500
I've, for instance, that step pyramid design.

2233
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:34,780
Yeah.

2234
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:37,660
I've also seen an Angor Thom in Cambodia.

2235
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:38,060
Uh-huh.

2236
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:39,760
And in other places.

2237
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:42,000
Do we have any sense of how old Angor Thom is?

2238
02:30:42,060 --> 02:30:42,720
That's another thing.

2239
02:30:42,900 --> 02:30:46,580
It's another mysterious site where we had other cultures that adopted it later on and

2240
02:30:46,580 --> 02:30:48,180
then it kind of just disappeared into history.

2241
02:30:48,380 --> 02:30:50,900
But the point is that we may be looking.

2242
02:30:51,080 --> 02:30:52,220
Is that older than Angor Watt though?

2243
02:30:52,420 --> 02:30:53,560
They're part of the same complex.

2244
02:30:53,720 --> 02:30:59,100
Angor Watt, I was just looking it up and it was like, it was like, you know, past a thousand

2245
02:30:59,100 --> 02:30:59,380
AD.

2246
02:30:59,580 --> 02:31:01,020
And I was like, that doesn't make sense to me.

2247
02:31:01,060 --> 02:31:01,680
It's got to be older.

2248
02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:03,520
They don't, they have no way to date things like that.

2249
02:31:03,720 --> 02:31:08,960
Just because someone comes along and writes something into something else, it doesn't date

2250
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:09,060
it.

2251
02:31:09,060 --> 02:31:09,880
Now, give me an example.

2252
02:31:10,540 --> 02:31:16,020
Now, archaeologists believe that all of these ruins, all of these artifacts, all these symbols

2253
02:31:16,020 --> 02:31:21,420
came from the Eurartians because the Eurartians wrote cuneiform into some of the temples.

2254
02:31:21,660 --> 02:31:21,760
Yeah.

2255
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:23,100
Just little spots here and there.

2256
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:26,300
Like, hey, King Manoah or Russo II built this.

2257
02:31:26,300 --> 02:31:31,520
And that's what their basis for it being the Eurartians, except the Eurartians had none

2258
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:38,160
of the same incorporation of these motifs into their, their artwork was quite primitive.

2259
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:38,600
Yeah.

2260
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:43,240
They built on top of all the base stonework with mud brick.

2261
02:31:43,380 --> 02:31:43,700
Uh-huh.

2262
02:31:43,700 --> 02:31:45,460
And then they crewed stonework.

2263
02:31:45,960 --> 02:31:50,220
None of the teachings were part of any of their culture at all.

2264
02:31:50,220 --> 02:32:00,920
And furthermore, they didn't seem to have any kind of respect for any of these ancient teachings.

2265
02:32:00,920 --> 02:32:03,840
They actually turned some of these gods into war gods.

2266
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:08,020
And it makes sense if you're during a time of war that you're going to use them in very

2267
02:32:08,020 --> 02:32:09,440
different ways than they were before.

2268
02:32:09,800 --> 02:32:16,640
Now, my theory behind that is that this civilization left no writings.

2269
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:20,300
Like, for instance, in the Great Pyramid of Giza, there are no writings anywhere.

2270
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:20,800
Okay?

2271
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:25,820
A lot of these ancient sites, like, give an example too, like, if you go to Puma Punku,

2272
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:27,220
there's no writings anywhere.

2273
02:32:27,380 --> 02:32:31,580
That's interesting because you would, if it were really from, you know, what we consider

2274
02:32:31,580 --> 02:32:36,000
one of the ancient Egyptian kingdoms, you would expect more hieroglyphics.

2275
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:39,380
Except that the hieroglyphics were maybe all come from the dynastic Egyptians.

2276
02:32:39,460 --> 02:32:40,200
That's what I'm saying.

2277
02:32:40,460 --> 02:32:40,760
Yeah.

2278
02:32:40,920 --> 02:32:42,600
So maybe this civilization.

2279
02:32:42,860 --> 02:32:43,120
Yeah.

2280
02:32:43,420 --> 02:32:44,180
That's just another point.

2281
02:32:44,180 --> 02:32:45,620
You know what their language was?

2282
02:32:45,900 --> 02:32:46,520
What was their language?

2283
02:32:46,980 --> 02:32:47,340
Symbolism.

2284
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:47,960
That, yeah.

2285
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:48,520
Wow.

2286
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:53,360
And that their literal way of passing knowledge, why would you do that?

2287
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:54,920
Let me tell you why you would do that.

2288
02:32:55,660 --> 02:33:03,860
Manly P. Hall discusses in his amazing work that the ancient's language was symbolism because

2289
02:33:03,860 --> 02:33:10,380
that way it couldn't be interpreted, misinterpreted by those who were not adepts and sages.

2290
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:12,480
You need the ears to hear or the eyes to see.

2291
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:14,260
Well, you're just not going to understand what you're looking at.

2292
02:33:14,340 --> 02:33:14,500
Yeah.

2293
02:33:14,500 --> 02:33:18,460
If you're not a sage that has any kind of knowledge of it, it literally won't make any

2294
02:33:18,460 --> 02:33:19,060
sense to you.

2295
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:22,160
This is true of all secret society, you know, pre-masonry or, you know, anything.

2296
02:33:22,420 --> 02:33:25,340
And so I believe that their language may have been symbolism.

2297
02:33:25,560 --> 02:33:31,520
And these motifs represent divine knowledge that is at the very heart of two things.

2298
02:33:31,960 --> 02:33:37,660
One, an understanding that we're part of this balance and harmony of the earth and that

2299
02:33:37,660 --> 02:33:38,620
everything is connected.

2300
02:33:38,920 --> 02:33:39,400
Okay?

2301
02:33:39,400 --> 02:33:40,300
That's one.

2302
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:42,520
And that those things are actually maintained.

2303
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:50,580
And then the two is the knowledge of the divine side of ourselves and how to reach these higher

2304
02:33:50,580 --> 02:33:54,860
states of consciousness like all the great sages have always been trying to tell us all along.

2305
02:33:55,100 --> 02:33:59,020
And that those two are the core concepts of teaching.

2306
02:33:59,020 --> 02:34:03,820
Some of these are even like universal laws with woven into these.

2307
02:34:04,140 --> 02:34:10,100
And I believe that's why so many of these civilizations built out of the same stone, had the same symbols

2308
02:34:10,100 --> 02:34:13,800
all over the earth, and just mysteriously disappeared.

2309
02:34:13,880 --> 02:34:18,160
Because I believe that that civilization then traveled around the world.

2310
02:34:18,220 --> 02:34:19,320
And I have evidence for that.

2311
02:34:19,660 --> 02:34:20,580
I found sites.

2312
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:22,540
There's a site called Alten Tepe.

2313
02:34:22,540 --> 02:34:24,460
Are you ready for this?

2314
02:34:25,600 --> 02:34:28,200
425 miles away from the other sites.

2315
02:34:29,220 --> 02:34:33,300
Enormous distance that has the same symbols, same temple design.

2316
02:34:33,660 --> 02:34:34,680
All of it's the same.

2317
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:38,560
And it shows this migratory route that they were making.

2318
02:34:38,760 --> 02:34:41,960
And it heads right towards the Mediterranean, the Black Sea.

2319
02:34:42,780 --> 02:34:45,900
I believe that that civilization became maritime.

2320
02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:53,240
And then influenced the pre-Greeks, influenced the Egyptians, influenced the ancient Peru and

2321
02:34:53,240 --> 02:34:57,060
Bolivia, and maybe even other places like Cambodia and India.

2322
02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:59,020
Do you think this is what we call Atlantis?

2323
02:34:59,240 --> 02:35:03,960
I would say that it's what we're looking for for the lost civilizations.

2324
02:35:03,960 --> 02:35:12,340
Why can't you, you know, the more conservative thing would be to say, this is just one of

2325
02:35:12,340 --> 02:35:17,780
these, like, proto-examples of the mystery rituals, and we don't know, you know, and they

2326
02:35:17,780 --> 02:35:23,200
were, the mystery rituals themselves are conserved all over the world, and that's pretty fascinating,

2327
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:25,820
but we don't know exactly what civilization it came from.

2328
02:35:25,860 --> 02:35:29,920
The problem is, though, that any civilizations that are credited with this time period are

2329
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:32,020
considered Iron or Bronze Age, okay?

2330
02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:32,300
Okay.

2331
02:35:32,300 --> 02:35:37,420
Iron or Bronze Age means that you only have tools made out of iron and bronze and your

2332
02:35:37,420 --> 02:35:38,820
capabilities, right?

2333
02:35:38,940 --> 02:35:41,340
Iron Age is the one that they created that you're Arteans.

2334
02:35:41,580 --> 02:35:43,320
Now, Iron Age tools...

2335
02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:46,340
Bronze Age is, like, 1000 BC-ish?

2336
02:35:46,340 --> 02:35:47,520
That came after Iron Age.

2337
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:54,440
Now, if you have Iron Age tools, how can you ever manipulate, first of all, move stones

2338
02:35:54,440 --> 02:35:55,600
hundreds of miles?

2339
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:56,640
Okay, let's just start there.

2340
02:35:56,840 --> 02:36:02,280
If you were an Iron Age civilization, first of all, how could you move gigantic blocks?

2341
02:36:02,300 --> 02:36:03,620
Why would you even do that?

2342
02:36:03,940 --> 02:36:07,500
When you have local stone right in front of you that's, like, limestone or something

2343
02:36:07,500 --> 02:36:13,280
softer, why on earth would you ever go to those lengths to go and get those stones?

2344
02:36:13,640 --> 02:36:16,660
First, if you're a primitive culture, how would you even do it, first of all?

2345
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:19,780
So I agree with you that the conventional narrative is off.

2346
02:36:19,980 --> 02:36:20,640
It has to be.

2347
02:36:20,660 --> 02:36:21,580
It makes no sense, does it?

2348
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:22,140
It makes no sense.

2349
02:36:22,140 --> 02:36:27,680
And then, drawing conclusions from this, so it's like, okay, so we have, like, six or

2350
02:36:27,680 --> 02:36:27,960
so sites all over the world.

2351
02:36:27,960 --> 02:36:29,140
Turn that over for a minute.

2352
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:30,260
Turn that, I'll flip it around.

2353
02:36:30,400 --> 02:36:30,540
Yeah.

2354
02:36:30,780 --> 02:36:32,040
Now, flip the other way around.

2355
02:36:32,120 --> 02:36:32,380
Yep, yep.

2356
02:36:32,380 --> 02:36:34,280
Now, you see the base stone?

2357
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:38,040
That's the, like, the darker, like, the stone you can see on the bottom?

2358
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:38,740
I do, yeah.

2359
02:36:38,740 --> 02:36:41,180
That's the foundation of Ionis, okay, you're looking at.

2360
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:41,400
Yeah.

2361
02:36:41,480 --> 02:36:44,660
Now, that is built out of andesite, one of the hardest stones on earth.

2362
02:36:44,820 --> 02:36:48,880
Same type of stone we see all the way across the world in Tiwanaku Pumupunku.

2363
02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:49,620
Okay?

2364
02:36:49,940 --> 02:36:50,180
Wow.

2365
02:36:50,220 --> 02:36:51,720
Now, look on top.

2366
02:36:51,940 --> 02:36:55,780
That entire mass you see on top is not dirt.

2367
02:36:56,320 --> 02:36:57,200
It's mud brick.

2368
02:36:57,620 --> 02:36:59,800
You can actually see the brick sticking out some.

2369
02:36:59,880 --> 02:37:00,180
Wow, that's wild.

2370
02:37:00,180 --> 02:37:04,980
Now, if the Erartians were able to build out of stone, then why would they all of a sudden

2371
02:37:04,980 --> 02:37:06,780
only use mud brick on top of it?

2372
02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:09,920
No, it's almost like you see this regression of humanity.

2373
02:37:10,300 --> 02:37:10,340
Exactly.

2374
02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:12,100
Like, embodied in the sediment layer.

2375
02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:12,440
Exactly.

2376
02:37:12,440 --> 02:37:16,540
Like, actually really advanced stuff going on at the lowest levels of the sediment layer.

2377
02:37:16,620 --> 02:37:18,040
That's exactly the point.

2378
02:37:18,040 --> 02:37:18,940
There's a lot of stuff above it.

2379
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:19,120
Okay.

2380
02:37:19,320 --> 02:37:20,360
Now, that's the first thing.

2381
02:37:20,620 --> 02:37:21,200
Now, why?

2382
02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:27,540
First of all, how were they able to move these multi-ton stones from enormous distances, one?

2383
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:33,520
Two, how could they cut them anywhere near what are like laser cut cuts, right?

2384
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:33,700
Right.

2385
02:37:33,780 --> 02:37:35,080
They look machine cut.

2386
02:37:35,220 --> 02:37:35,400
Yeah.

2387
02:37:35,400 --> 02:37:42,460
I have examples from Kef, excuse me, from Kef Kalesi that have cuts that are so sharp

2388
02:37:42,460 --> 02:37:45,040
and you can still cut your finger on them.

2389
02:37:45,580 --> 02:37:52,240
And you can see the same thing in Puma Punku that are so unbelievably perfect that today

2390
02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:54,460
we wouldn't be able to do it by hand.

2391
02:37:54,540 --> 02:37:57,320
We would use a machine to cut those, right?

2392
02:37:57,580 --> 02:37:59,140
We have no idea how they cut them.

2393
02:37:59,140 --> 02:38:03,920
Secondly, some of these symbols, turn that around for a second and flip it around.

2394
02:38:04,360 --> 02:38:09,360
Some of the symbols of the crosses actually go between blocks seamlessly.

2395
02:38:09,700 --> 02:38:10,540
How would you do that?

2396
02:38:11,380 --> 02:38:17,200
How would you cut these symbols in utter precision beyond comprehension and never make a mistake

2397
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,760
and put those in there like that?

2398
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:25,640
Now, that altar in front of you is made out of golden callusite alabaster, right?

2399
02:38:26,100 --> 02:38:28,540
And they don't even know where it came from, okay?

2400
02:38:28,980 --> 02:38:34,580
They seem to be going to great lengths to create these unbelievable temples aligned with

2401
02:38:34,580 --> 02:38:37,700
sun movements for very specific energetic reasons.

2402
02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:39,840
And I think it goes way deeper than that.

2403
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:45,920
You look at the designs of Ionis, the way that there's this pillar design, a basalt with

2404
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:51,460
an andesite central Susi temple, that they all have these connections in this square around

2405
02:38:51,460 --> 02:38:56,320
and that they have these extended periods of stone that extend off of each corner.

2406
02:38:56,520 --> 02:39:03,900
It's like there's some kind of an energetic metaphysical response that we have no comprehension

2407
02:39:03,900 --> 02:39:04,660
about at all.

2408
02:39:04,920 --> 02:39:08,880
Like, for instance, I don't think this is anything about just tracking movements of the sun.

2409
02:39:08,880 --> 02:39:15,280
I think the actual sun and the energy may have created something within this that human

2410
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:17,280
beings have no concept of yet.

2411
02:39:17,440 --> 02:39:19,860
Well, have you heard of certain people lying in-

2412
02:39:19,860 --> 02:39:21,520
Like sacred geometry is what I'm trying to say.

2413
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:22,620
Yeah, no, I get it.

2414
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:27,600
Or, yeah, theories of, you know, resonance or fractal geometries of higher-

2415
02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:27,940
Right, right, right.

2416
02:39:28,200 --> 02:39:34,720
So, yeah, have you heard of rumors of sort of elite people, you know, spending time in

2417
02:39:34,720 --> 02:39:39,740
granite chambers in some of these pyramids, like modern day, like this happening now?

2418
02:39:39,780 --> 02:39:40,620
Because I've heard of this.

2419
02:39:40,680 --> 02:39:46,220
I've heard of, you know, this idea of, you know, certain people going into granite chambers

2420
02:39:46,220 --> 02:39:48,820
and then having sort of out-of-body experiences.

2421
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:49,200
Of course.

2422
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:50,360
Experiencing astral projections.

2423
02:39:50,540 --> 02:39:50,820
Of course.

2424
02:39:51,160 --> 02:39:53,960
And, you know, coming back, feeling sort of, you know, like-

2425
02:39:53,960 --> 02:39:55,340
I think that was one of the purposes behind them.

2426
02:39:55,420 --> 02:39:55,620
Yeah.

2427
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:56,900
And why do you think that?

2428
02:39:56,900 --> 02:40:02,640
I think that these were temples that were related to, like, ascension temples, if I want

2429
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:03,620
to call them that, okay?

2430
02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:03,960
Yeah.

2431
02:40:03,960 --> 02:40:10,840
Ascension temples that were designed around not only human conscious harmonics, okay, frequency

2432
02:40:10,840 --> 02:40:16,900
and vibration, but also this fusion between, again, like the earth, moon, the sun, and also

2433
02:40:16,900 --> 02:40:17,700
constellations.

2434
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:23,440
And all of those had that concept of the law of correspondence that created a synergy.

2435
02:40:23,820 --> 02:40:31,240
And that may perhaps humanity forgetting that when we create these beautiful spaces of energy,

2436
02:40:31,460 --> 02:40:31,640
right?

2437
02:40:31,640 --> 02:40:36,600
Temples of certain kinds of stone aligned in a certain kinds of way, often with gardens

2438
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:41,780
or flowing water or different things that it's like a magic is unlocked, if I can describe

2439
02:40:41,780 --> 02:40:42,300
it that way.

2440
02:40:42,380 --> 02:40:42,560
Yeah.

2441
02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:47,400
It's like some kind of a magic is unlocked and we become a conduit to be able to reach higher

2442
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:47,900
states.

2443
02:40:47,900 --> 02:40:52,460
And I believe that was one of their functions for why they were created the way they were

2444
02:40:52,460 --> 02:40:55,140
and that we have literally forgotten all of it.

2445
02:40:55,140 --> 02:41:02,160
It's really fascinating that you have pink quartz in Egypt, you have granite in Egypt, you have

2446
02:41:02,160 --> 02:41:02,800
what do you call this?

2447
02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:03,400
Golden...

2448
02:41:03,400 --> 02:41:05,260
It's golden calisite alabaster.

2449
02:41:05,700 --> 02:41:10,420
In all these cases, materials that don't exist locally in the immediate surrounding environment,

2450
02:41:10,780 --> 02:41:12,560
they're sort of going out, getting them.

2451
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:18,080
And then they're using seemingly techniques when it comes to building these geometric structures,

2452
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:22,600
creating these stone carvings that we can barely do today or we would need heavy machinery.

2453
02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:23,820
We don't even know why they did that.

2454
02:41:24,020 --> 02:41:27,600
And let me give you a reason why this has been missed.

2455
02:41:27,900 --> 02:41:29,840
This is a big point I want to get across.

2456
02:41:29,960 --> 02:41:30,180
Yeah.

2457
02:41:30,760 --> 02:41:30,940
Yeah.

2458
02:41:30,940 --> 02:41:32,720
Why is archaeology so off?

2459
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:38,240
When archaeologists came into this region, there was a man named Charles Burney, who was

2460
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:41,860
like the, you could call him the grandfather of Eurartian history.

2461
02:41:42,060 --> 02:41:44,800
He kind of put a lot of the Eurartian history together.

2462
02:41:45,020 --> 02:41:48,800
And then a lot of the archaeologists that came later wrote in papers that a lot of their

2463
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:49,960
understanding came from him.

2464
02:41:49,980 --> 02:41:51,180
And then it kind of trickled around.

2465
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:52,000
It trickled down.

2466
02:41:52,060 --> 02:41:53,080
It's called the ivory tower.

2467
02:41:53,080 --> 02:42:00,340
It's this idea that well-established, prestigious people come before, and then others are not

2468
02:42:00,340 --> 02:42:06,780
willing to go outside of that narrative because it's like this established doctrine, right?

2469
02:42:06,840 --> 02:42:10,220
That gets firmly established, and then it almost gets built off each other.

2470
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:13,760
Now, go back to that sheet underneath, the one, the big one.

2471
02:42:13,900 --> 02:42:18,320
Now, you see what's in his hand, and you see how in the center there's a cypress tree of

2472
02:42:18,320 --> 02:42:18,560
life.

2473
02:42:18,620 --> 02:42:19,020
You see that?

2474
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:19,400
Yeah.

2475
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:24,760
They believe, based on the Eurartians being warlike, that what Haldi is passing into Sheba

2476
02:42:24,760 --> 02:42:26,240
there, it's Sheba and Haldi.

2477
02:42:26,320 --> 02:42:29,040
One is a storm god, and one is a god of preservation.

2478
02:42:29,480 --> 02:42:38,100
We see that in what's called the Trimerdi in ancient India with Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma.

2479
02:42:38,300 --> 02:42:39,240
I'm sure you've heard of that, right?

2480
02:42:39,340 --> 02:42:39,500
Yeah.

2481
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:43,960
It's this idea of a creator, a preserver, and a destroyer, okay?

2482
02:42:43,960 --> 02:42:49,580
That's very much the same concepts we see here, except for because the Eurartians were

2483
02:42:49,580 --> 02:42:55,140
warlike, they believe, archaeologists believe firmly that what they're passing in their hand

2484
02:42:55,140 --> 02:43:03,800
is a spearhead, a spearhead, and that all those T windows up above are false windows in

2485
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:04,360
a castle.

2486
02:43:04,360 --> 02:43:11,380
So much so that these sites are actually called Kaleses, meaning fortresses, because the Eurartians

2487
02:43:11,380 --> 02:43:13,260
built fortresses on top of them.

2488
02:43:13,720 --> 02:43:18,820
They're literally looking through everything from the lens of a war culture.

2489
02:43:19,100 --> 02:43:19,560
Right.

2490
02:43:19,700 --> 02:43:20,160
Everything.

2491
02:43:20,500 --> 02:43:20,640
Right.

2492
02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:27,960
And so none of them come back to being like an ancient, mystical, sage teaching.

2493
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:30,560
They're like a war symbol.

2494
02:43:30,980 --> 02:43:36,220
And because of that, all of these, I believe, are basically misinterpreted.

2495
02:43:36,280 --> 02:43:37,340
Now, you see that T pillar?

2496
02:43:37,560 --> 02:43:39,320
So if these aren't spearheads, what are they?

2497
02:43:39,980 --> 02:43:42,560
They're the seeds, passing the seeds of knowledge.

2498
02:43:42,660 --> 02:43:42,940
Ah.

2499
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:44,720
Basically, like we see all around the world.

2500
02:43:45,260 --> 02:43:46,080
Now, I want to show you—

2501
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:47,480
So what are examples of this?

2502
02:43:47,540 --> 02:43:47,980
That's so interesting.

2503
02:43:47,980 --> 02:43:49,340
Let me give you an example.

2504
02:43:49,340 --> 02:43:50,620
I'm going to pass this over to you.

2505
02:43:50,680 --> 02:43:51,100
That's fascinating.

2506
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:52,180
And I want you to see something.

2507
02:43:52,180 --> 02:43:55,780
So they just assume it's a spirit because the Eurartians were a war-like culture.

2508
02:43:55,840 --> 02:43:56,200
Exactly.

2509
02:43:56,420 --> 02:44:01,040
Now, let me pass something to you that I think will help you understand this in a greater

2510
02:44:01,040 --> 02:44:01,380
way.

2511
02:44:01,440 --> 02:44:02,360
That's so fascinating.

2512
02:44:02,620 --> 02:44:03,440
Take a look at this.

2513
02:44:03,560 --> 02:44:03,820
Yeah.

2514
02:44:03,980 --> 02:44:04,160
Okay?

2515
02:44:04,580 --> 02:44:05,980
Now, that is at Shavu's Tepe.

2516
02:44:06,120 --> 02:44:07,080
It's made out of basalt.

2517
02:44:07,220 --> 02:44:08,200
That's Robert Schock, right?

2518
02:44:08,220 --> 02:44:09,420
That's Robert Schock right there.

2519
02:44:09,820 --> 02:44:11,340
We were all there just recently.

2520
02:44:11,420 --> 02:44:15,500
Now, look at the T pillars on the ball relief right in front of you.

2521
02:44:15,500 --> 02:44:15,820
Uh-huh.

2522
02:44:15,820 --> 02:44:17,040
No, right here on the paper.

2523
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:17,760
Oh, okay.

2524
02:44:17,940 --> 02:44:19,260
Now, look at the T's.

2525
02:44:19,800 --> 02:44:20,200
Right here.

2526
02:44:21,420 --> 02:44:21,860
Oh, I see.

2527
02:44:23,600 --> 02:44:24,100
Do you see that?

2528
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:24,580
Yeah, I do.

2529
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:25,760
It's the exact same thing.

2530
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:27,560
Whoa.

2531
02:44:27,900 --> 02:44:28,820
So where is this?

2532
02:44:28,940 --> 02:44:31,840
That's at a site right in the same region called Shavu's Tepe.

2533
02:44:32,520 --> 02:44:38,680
That is this mysterious T pillar, which then mimics things like Menorca, Spain and Gobekli

2534
02:44:38,680 --> 02:44:39,020
Tepe.

2535
02:44:39,340 --> 02:44:43,140
And we see the same T concept in Pumapunku as well.

2536
02:44:43,260 --> 02:44:44,800
This is crazy, man.

2537
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:45,880
So it's everywhere.

2538
02:44:45,880 --> 02:44:51,420
It's like this ancient teaching that was being passed around, and now they believe that those

2539
02:44:51,420 --> 02:44:54,940
are false doorways, except they have no hole in the back.

2540
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:55,580
They're solid.

2541
02:44:56,440 --> 02:45:00,240
That weighs, right in front of you, that weighs seven to ten tons.

2542
02:45:00,240 --> 02:45:04,280
And there's no basalt local to that area.

2543
02:45:04,280 --> 02:45:09,540
It also, it makes sense archaeologists would be way off on this because you have like this

2544
02:45:09,540 --> 02:45:13,980
national pride thing, and you just want to like say that it was like this modern, you

2545
02:45:13,980 --> 02:45:17,120
know, like, or whatever, whatever modern thing.

2546
02:45:17,320 --> 02:45:22,060
You would never want to predate it to some antecedent global civilization.

2547
02:45:22,060 --> 02:45:22,760
Oh, exactly.

2548
02:45:23,060 --> 02:45:23,820
That's where I come from.

2549
02:45:23,820 --> 02:45:25,960
That like, you know, is the proto layer to everything.

2550
02:45:26,120 --> 02:45:27,220
Like, that would suck, right?

2551
02:45:27,280 --> 02:45:31,100
If you're, especially if you're like the minister of culture for like a specific region, you would

2552
02:45:31,100 --> 02:45:32,040
never want to do that.

2553
02:45:32,140 --> 02:45:35,860
So it makes sense, like incentive-wise, why you would like ignore all of this, or you

2554
02:45:35,860 --> 02:45:40,800
would say, you know, this is a tip of a spear when it's in fact the seeds of knowledge.

2555
02:45:40,980 --> 02:45:42,940
Like, that's really interesting.

2556
02:45:42,940 --> 02:45:46,740
Now, let me show you one more image really quick to compare to that.

2557
02:45:46,840 --> 02:45:48,160
I think you're going to really like this.

2558
02:45:48,580 --> 02:45:51,680
Take a look at this one right here.

2559
02:45:52,100 --> 02:45:57,020
So this is from, that's from the back of the sun gate in Tiwanaku, Bolivia.

2560
02:45:57,220 --> 02:45:59,800
And it's the same concept of the three doorways.

2561
02:45:59,920 --> 02:46:00,680
You see that?

2562
02:46:00,880 --> 02:46:04,800
Now look at closely at the left and right side of those doorways.

2563
02:46:04,880 --> 02:46:06,040
Do you see the T-pillar design?

2564
02:46:08,520 --> 02:46:14,900
It's got the same top with the three levels within it, just the same as the T-pillar.

2565
02:46:15,320 --> 02:46:16,600
Now watch this.

2566
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:17,500
I want to show you one more.

2567
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:17,880
Okay.

2568
02:46:18,280 --> 02:46:19,620
And where is that?

2569
02:46:19,620 --> 02:46:21,000
That's in Tiwanaku, Bolivia.

2570
02:46:21,260 --> 02:46:21,580
Bolivia.

2571
02:46:22,680 --> 02:46:24,560
Jesus, that's so interesting.

2572
02:46:24,940 --> 02:46:26,280
This is Pumapunku.

2573
02:46:26,780 --> 02:46:27,800
There's your key.

2574
02:46:27,980 --> 02:46:30,560
Do all of these have astronomical alignments too?

2575
02:46:30,780 --> 02:46:30,860
All of them.

2576
02:46:30,860 --> 02:46:31,540
All of them.

2577
02:46:31,780 --> 02:46:32,800
Now, do you see the T again?

2578
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:33,620
This is crazy, man.

2579
02:46:33,640 --> 02:46:34,460
Do you see the T again?

2580
02:46:34,520 --> 02:46:35,140
I do, yeah.

2581
02:46:35,140 --> 02:46:37,240
That's Pumapunku in Bolivia.

2582
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:39,420
And so, and, wow.

2583
02:46:39,740 --> 02:46:41,240
Thousands and thousands of miles away.

2584
02:46:41,240 --> 02:46:41,440
Okay.

2585
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:46,080
So now I think the astronomical, now I'm higher conviction that the astronomical alignments matter.

2586
02:46:46,180 --> 02:46:46,440
Yeah.

2587
02:46:46,600 --> 02:46:49,160
Because like if they all lined up at a specific time.

2588
02:46:49,160 --> 02:46:50,980
So when, okay.

2589
02:46:51,140 --> 02:46:55,180
And then can we get a little more precise about the timing given the astronomical alignments?

2590
02:46:55,180 --> 02:46:56,500
Or these could be broad ranges?

2591
02:46:56,660 --> 02:46:58,400
There's different times when they can align.

2592
02:46:58,540 --> 02:47:05,720
The one thing I can say is I'm very compelled with the research that's done with Geodesi looking at where the North Pole was.

2593
02:47:05,720 --> 02:47:05,960
Yeah.

2594
02:47:06,080 --> 02:47:07,620
In relation to true north.

2595
02:47:07,700 --> 02:47:07,900
Yeah.

2596
02:47:07,980 --> 02:47:13,960
And also where, for instance, I was mentioning these Susi temples, they faced either west or east, but not anymore.

2597
02:47:14,040 --> 02:47:14,520
They're offset.

2598
02:47:14,700 --> 02:47:17,620
So, for instance, let's say this is east, right?

2599
02:47:17,740 --> 02:47:17,880
Yeah.

2600
02:47:17,880 --> 02:47:19,100
This is west, right?

2601
02:47:19,880 --> 02:47:21,660
Instead of being east, they're like that.

2602
02:47:21,800 --> 02:47:23,940
And instead of being west, they're like that.

2603
02:47:24,320 --> 02:47:30,020
And so it's like, well, when did the earth, when was the tilt different so that they faced east?

2604
02:47:30,020 --> 02:47:40,760
And same thing as when did the temples face true north, not, you know, when was the North Pole, you know, true north not where it is now?

2605
02:47:40,880 --> 02:47:41,120
Right.

2606
02:47:41,400 --> 02:47:44,640
So those are ways that we can start to understand these in a different way.

2607
02:47:44,660 --> 02:47:49,260
And I'll make sure we put all those images online so people can see what we're looking at during this.

2608
02:47:49,440 --> 02:47:53,000
And so the Big Dipper is like seven stars, right?

2609
02:47:53,100 --> 02:47:53,720
Is that right?

2610
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:54,660
Two, three.

2611
02:47:54,800 --> 02:47:55,760
I'd have to add them up again.

2612
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:56,220
I think it's seven.

2613
02:47:56,360 --> 02:47:58,000
And I think Polaris is considered.

2614
02:47:58,880 --> 02:48:00,380
Well, it's one of the stars of the Big Dipper, yeah.

2615
02:48:00,380 --> 02:48:01,260
It's the end of the ladle.

2616
02:48:01,440 --> 02:48:01,680
Yeah.

2617
02:48:01,740 --> 02:48:08,600
And it's considered, I think, in, you know, like I think Ezekiel's chariots go towards that, like, you know, the North Star Polaris.

2618
02:48:08,600 --> 02:48:15,960
And so I do think in a lot of these hermetic traditions, right, like you go towards, you know, the North Star, basically.

2619
02:48:15,960 --> 02:48:19,500
Well, I think by doing that, again, it's that consciousness of geodesy.

2620
02:48:19,720 --> 02:48:26,560
If you align yourselves to cardinal points of the earth, both solar and magnetic, you create something.

2621
02:48:26,560 --> 02:48:28,800
Do you, like, something special?

2622
02:48:29,000 --> 02:48:32,880
Does any of this relate to the modern UFO phenomena?

2623
02:48:33,220 --> 02:48:34,400
I know it's a really weird question.

2624
02:48:34,400 --> 02:48:34,780
I don't think so.

2625
02:48:34,980 --> 02:48:41,440
I think I would just, I'll throw out that I think a lot of UFOs are based on, like, secret government technology.

2626
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:41,780
Yep.

2627
02:48:41,780 --> 02:48:47,100
And then what percentage are, do you think any of them are not, or do you think all of them are based on secret government tech?

2628
02:48:47,600 --> 02:48:53,840
I will tell you that I think the concept of ancient aliens has been a bit skewed.

2629
02:48:53,940 --> 02:49:03,780
From what I look at with these gods like Haldi, it seems more like some kind of celestial intelligence that is far more powerful than that concept.

2630
02:49:03,780 --> 02:49:09,000
It's related more towards a greater concept than someone coming here in a ship.

2631
02:49:09,540 --> 02:49:16,400
In fact, the nearest star system to us would take, like, 100 light years to get to.

2632
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:19,540
It's really, I mean, light years.

2633
02:49:19,560 --> 02:49:22,060
If we could travel at the speed of light, it seems to me.

2634
02:49:22,180 --> 02:49:24,780
I think it would take 80,000 years with chemical combustion.

2635
02:49:25,440 --> 02:49:29,960
It seems to me that, yeah, I probably didn't get that number quite right.

2636
02:49:29,960 --> 02:49:38,240
But it seems to me that we were maybe misinterpreting our way of looking at the influences of these.

2637
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:40,000
And I'm not saying it's just man.

2638
02:49:40,120 --> 02:49:41,080
I don't think that.

2639
02:49:41,240 --> 02:49:43,720
I think that there's something greater and higher.

2640
02:49:44,040 --> 02:49:48,380
And I think they're what has been confused with being angels and demons throughout history.

2641
02:49:49,660 --> 02:49:52,840
Do you think the angels and demons are still with us at all?

2642
02:49:52,900 --> 02:49:54,080
I don't think they ever leave.

2643
02:49:54,500 --> 02:49:57,940
I think there's some kind of being bound to this reality.

2644
02:49:57,940 --> 02:50:03,260
And that's why they seem to show that they're the guardians of balance here.

2645
02:50:04,220 --> 02:50:08,040
So you think they're guardians coexisting with humanity right now?

2646
02:50:08,140 --> 02:50:13,020
Yeah, and that we somehow have a connection to them in a way where we are almost like children of that.

2647
02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:17,660
And that we're growing up to learn our true potential and that they're like the teachers.

2648
02:50:17,900 --> 02:50:18,700
Where are the guardians?

2649
02:50:19,180 --> 02:50:23,800
I believe that we're now supposed to find our way back on our own.

2650
02:50:24,260 --> 02:50:24,700
Interesting.

2651
02:50:24,700 --> 02:50:26,900
And that we are given the keys there.

2652
02:50:26,900 --> 02:50:27,400
Do you think these are?

2653
02:50:27,720 --> 02:50:27,960
Yeah.

2654
02:50:28,540 --> 02:50:33,120
That's why I think all that happened is that we were given the keys there and that we lost them.

2655
02:50:33,280 --> 02:50:35,240
And now it's our turn to find our way back.

2656
02:50:35,300 --> 02:50:37,540
Do you think the guardians are physical beings or non-physical beings?

2657
02:50:37,540 --> 02:50:39,540
I think they can be physical if they want to.

2658
02:50:39,620 --> 02:50:39,800
Okay.

2659
02:50:39,840 --> 02:50:43,080
But they seem like they're very, very powerful celestial beings.

2660
02:50:43,300 --> 02:50:45,380
In Hermeticism, they call them the second mind.

2661
02:50:45,560 --> 02:50:45,760
Yep.

2662
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:49,660
I do think about like where humanity could head.

2663
02:50:49,840 --> 02:50:52,100
And you have like two paths, right?

2664
02:50:52,140 --> 02:50:53,920
Say we have to inflict down or up.

2665
02:50:54,360 --> 02:50:57,960
And down is like we are extremely resource constrained.

2666
02:50:57,960 --> 02:50:59,860
We go through some Malthusian cycle.

2667
02:50:59,860 --> 02:51:01,600
We live in this totalitarian world.

2668
02:51:01,720 --> 02:51:02,680
We're all microchipped.

2669
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:03,060
Yeah.

2670
02:51:03,160 --> 02:51:06,120
We have to, you know, we barely have access to clean water.

2671
02:51:06,120 --> 02:51:12,620
And then the other feature is like a ton of resource abundance via, you know, technology or whatever.

2672
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:29,800
So I think in both cases, you'd end up in some sort of simulation because you're going to have like, you know, the increase of, you know, IT, you know, like high fidelity simulations, all of VR or whatever, Neuralink, you know, higher bandwidth relationship with computation.

2673
02:51:30,420 --> 02:51:32,300
You know, that's probably just going to increase.

2674
02:51:33,180 --> 02:51:34,180
But that's our path.

2675
02:51:34,180 --> 02:51:35,760
That doesn't mean that that was their path.

2676
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:41,080
Well, where I think it gets interesting is even if we inflect downwards.

2677
02:51:41,280 --> 02:51:44,820
So if you inflect downwards, like Ready Player One, like you want to opt into the simulation.

2678
02:51:45,220 --> 02:51:48,700
If you inflect upwards, it's probably through tech that's a dual use.

2679
02:51:48,820 --> 02:51:53,900
So it's like controlled, you know, nuclear fusion creates clean energy for all.

2680
02:51:54,200 --> 02:51:57,240
Uncontrolled nuclear fusion creates the hydrogen bomb, right?

2681
02:51:57,480 --> 02:52:02,820
And so like basically like a kid in his bedroom could like blow up the world at some point in the future probably.

2682
02:52:02,820 --> 02:52:08,260
And so you'd need if you're a guardian of that civilization, you would need people to be perfectly altruistic.

2683
02:52:08,260 --> 02:52:18,140
And so maybe you'd give them some sort of simulation test, you know, a la like contemplation of virtue to like get outside of their simulation or cave if you're using the Plato analogy.

2684
02:52:18,140 --> 02:52:28,200
And so I think there's probably a version of the future in either scenario where we end up in a simulation and then it's like, why aren't we already in that future?

2685
02:52:28,380 --> 02:52:32,980
Why aren't we, you know, maybe these are like biological meat suits and we're in a cave right now.

2686
02:52:32,980 --> 02:52:41,680
And there's, you know, these guys, the guardians are like literally like outside us, goading us with little symbology here and there and, you know, helping us throughout our lives.

2687
02:52:42,040 --> 02:52:45,480
But, you know, we have to sort of seek the knowledge ourselves.

2688
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:48,960
Well, there's this idea that if we can be tricked, then we're not ready.

2689
02:52:50,060 --> 02:52:50,460
Okay.

2690
02:52:50,580 --> 02:52:54,260
And so I want to get to that idea of these building styles.

2691
02:52:54,560 --> 02:52:55,880
Why they do all that stuff?

2692
02:52:56,060 --> 02:52:57,860
Why build all that like these things like this?

2693
02:52:57,920 --> 02:52:59,140
Why out of those types of stones?

2694
02:52:59,440 --> 02:53:00,240
Why do that?

2695
02:53:00,240 --> 02:53:04,180
I think it was a completely – the other path that humanity can take.

2696
02:53:04,660 --> 02:53:10,560
What I have studied is that there's only two real paths that a civilization can take.

2697
02:53:10,680 --> 02:53:11,060
What are they?

2698
02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:16,180
There's one that is a very organic natural path and someone might see that as being primitive.

2699
02:53:16,180 --> 02:53:30,220
But I think that's what this other civilization took, building out of giant stones, understanding the potential of the human energy field and the human mind to unlock abilities that we no longer remember any longer.

2700
02:53:31,000 --> 02:53:32,740
Telekinesis, potentially levitation.

2701
02:53:33,060 --> 02:53:33,280
Right.

2702
02:53:33,300 --> 02:53:39,000
Things that we don't understand where they seem to be in harmonic resonance with the Earth and the universe.

2703
02:53:39,260 --> 02:53:39,420
Yeah.

2704
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:42,860
And I think that path is the complete opposite from what we took.

2705
02:53:43,020 --> 02:53:43,260
I agree.

2706
02:53:43,260 --> 02:54:00,660
And then there's the other path, which is like a cheating system, which is where you piggyback off of fossil fuels and then have like this massive jumpstart by getting ahead in your civilization by kind of polluting the world and getting further and further away from spirit and source though.

2707
02:54:00,820 --> 02:54:00,960
Yeah.

2708
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:03,120
It's like you get there kind of quick.

2709
02:54:03,220 --> 02:54:04,640
Look what happens in the last 500 years.

2710
02:54:04,840 --> 02:54:07,640
I think there's this addiction to, you know, the Kardashev scale.

2711
02:54:08,160 --> 02:54:12,400
So there's this idea of, you know, I think it was like 70s, like Soviet astronomers or something.

2712
02:54:12,540 --> 02:54:22,620
There's this idea of like levels of energy, you know, ability to manipulate levels of energy allow us to kind of travel at, you know, at different levels, interstellar.

2713
02:54:22,620 --> 02:54:30,680
And so, you know, there's a single planet civilization, multi-planet civilization, you know, multi-galactic civilization, and you get to higher levels.

2714
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:36,960
And I think we're sort of addicted to this idea of like getting to, you know, increased, increased levels of kind of energy density.

2715
02:54:36,980 --> 02:54:37,620
It's a 3D concept though.

2716
02:54:37,940 --> 02:54:38,940
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2717
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:44,680
I think there's something actually very magical about human biology and the Earth itself.

2718
02:54:45,180 --> 02:54:51,260
And there's sort of – there's a technology involved in like the construction of us and life and biological life.

2719
02:54:51,260 --> 02:54:54,260
That is – I'm sort of a biological exceptionalist.

2720
02:54:54,920 --> 02:54:59,420
Like I think there's something very uniquely special about biology that we don't understand.

2721
02:54:59,640 --> 02:55:00,060
100%.

2722
02:55:00,060 --> 02:55:03,000
And, you know, there are all these examples.

2723
02:55:03,240 --> 02:55:06,640
So like the emerging – you know, we're trying to build quantum computers right now.

2724
02:55:07,160 --> 02:55:10,840
And, you know, the bottleneck is keeping the chips in these extremely cool environments.

2725
02:55:11,040 --> 02:55:12,120
It's really energy intensive.

2726
02:55:12,420 --> 02:55:14,200
You know, it's a material science problem as well.

2727
02:55:15,020 --> 02:55:20,660
And, you know, increasingly you have this field of quantum biology where we're actually finding out all sorts of quantum processes

2728
02:55:20,660 --> 02:55:27,020
in the human body and other animal organisms, whether it's robins kind of navigating home via the magnetosphere of Earth.

2729
02:55:27,020 --> 02:55:27,440
Yes, yes.

2730
02:55:27,540 --> 02:55:34,140
The CRY4 protein or, you know, enzyme creation via quantum tunneling or photosynthesis.

2731
02:55:34,680 --> 02:55:36,180
You know, all of this stuff is kind of emerging.

2732
02:55:36,180 --> 02:55:46,440
And then I think there's an interesting, you know, quantum mechanics interpretation, which gets so overused, to be honest, on channels like Gaia and in the self-help community.

2733
02:55:46,820 --> 02:55:58,420
But that actually was pretty well studied in the form of parapsychology where, you know, this idea that, you know, wave function collapse is this completely random process that has nothing to do with the mind.

2734
02:55:58,420 --> 02:56:08,840
And all of the people who created this stuff, Schrodinger himself probably would have, you know, what did, entertain the idea that the mind was part of wave function collapse.

2735
02:56:09,060 --> 02:56:09,120
Yeah.

2736
02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:09,480
Yeah.

2737
02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:13,800
And the Copenhagen School is completely consistent with that interpretation.

2738
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:14,120
Yes.

2739
02:56:14,560 --> 02:56:16,520
And so, yeah, totally.

2740
02:56:16,700 --> 02:56:21,960
So I think there is something very unique and special about consciousness that materialist production is science.

2741
02:56:21,960 --> 02:56:22,340
100%.

2742
02:56:22,340 --> 02:56:22,920
Yeah.

2743
02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:24,720
That's the big piece I think that's missing.

2744
02:56:24,780 --> 02:56:24,980
Yeah.

2745
02:56:24,980 --> 02:56:27,760
Is that we are far more powerful than we realize.

2746
02:56:27,960 --> 02:56:28,360
Oh, way more.

2747
02:56:28,420 --> 02:56:37,720
And that we, our consciousness is not localized and that we have this idea that we want to physically travel somewhere, but perhaps we're looking at it in the wrong way.

2748
02:56:37,980 --> 02:56:38,540
100%.

2749
02:56:38,540 --> 02:56:42,000
In two ways, both in the form of chemical combustion rockets.

2750
02:56:42,200 --> 02:56:42,340
Yes.

2751
02:56:42,560 --> 02:56:52,660
And then also in the form of this Silicon Valley cult of transhumanism where we need a higher bandwidth relationship with classical computers when, you know, I think our brain is actually sort of a quantum computer.

2752
02:56:52,660 --> 02:56:52,720
It is.

2753
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:57,900
And it has some sort of tesseract, holograph component in a higher dimensional space.

2754
02:56:57,900 --> 02:57:00,380
I believe that we're like antennas.

2755
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:00,920
Yeah.

2756
02:57:00,920 --> 02:57:07,400
And if we can tap into this certain frequency, we tap into this all-knowing.

2757
02:57:07,400 --> 02:57:15,680
This type of like Akashic record, almost like source energy, and that we are a very, very special and very divine being.

2758
02:57:15,780 --> 02:57:16,580
We just don't remember.

2759
02:57:16,580 --> 02:57:17,940
Yeah, I agree with that.

2760
02:57:18,020 --> 02:57:35,220
Well, I think the, and that's what mystery rituals do is they, so like the idea that the body and the brain is actually a collapsing function, it's a narrowing valve of filtering of something that involves greater omniscience beneath it is, is this age old idea.

2761
02:57:35,220 --> 02:57:43,520
And it's completely unfalsifiable to say that consciousness is locally produced and not actually transmitted in some, you know.

2762
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:44,720
I can't wait until that goes away.

2763
02:57:45,020 --> 02:57:46,740
I'm so frustrated by that.

2764
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:47,180
I think it will.

2765
02:57:47,180 --> 02:57:49,420
I think it will because there's, there's more evidence.

2766
02:57:49,820 --> 02:57:51,620
Think about it even, even phenomenologically.

2767
02:57:51,620 --> 02:57:53,060
Brain does not create consciousness.

2768
02:57:53,160 --> 02:57:57,940
When you are daydreaming, where is that, the content of your thoughts, where is that being produced?

2769
02:57:58,180 --> 02:58:02,900
William James, you know, and Aldous Huxley, all these people were big fans of this transmission theory of consciousness.

2770
02:58:03,420 --> 02:58:09,580
And you have this binding problem of consciousness where you have no idea how the disparate parts of our brain, you know, you have.

2771
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:10,200
It's very mysterious.

2772
02:58:10,540 --> 02:58:11,580
Yeah, meld together.

2773
02:58:11,780 --> 02:58:11,920
Yeah.

2774
02:58:11,960 --> 02:58:13,500
You would have a binding problem of a radio.

2775
02:58:13,500 --> 02:58:22,980
You need to know that it has an antenna that is transmitting a signal to know that why it's playing, you know, Vivaldi's Four Seasons or Tupac or whatever.

2776
02:58:23,540 --> 02:58:26,080
And so it's like this really important question.

2777
02:58:26,440 --> 02:58:33,080
And yeah, I mean, I can get into even crazier theories around, you know, an extended version of electrodynamics that that might involve.

2778
02:58:33,240 --> 02:58:35,240
I don't, we haven't figured it out scientifically.

2779
02:58:35,240 --> 02:58:47,860
But mystery rituals point to this because if you look at the Eleusinian Mysteries or any of these other rituals, they involve the temporary killing of the physical body through a near-death experience.

2780
02:58:48,660 --> 02:58:53,240
And then you remember your, it's called noesis is the Greek.

2781
02:58:53,360 --> 02:58:55,240
You remember your primordial soul self.

2782
02:58:55,980 --> 02:58:56,160
Yeah.

2783
02:58:56,280 --> 02:59:02,300
And then you come back with this knowledge of your own immortality and this sort of renewed confidence in your life.

2784
02:59:02,440 --> 02:59:03,880
Yeah, because energy can't be destroyed.

2785
02:59:03,880 --> 02:59:04,960
It can only change state.

2786
02:59:05,240 --> 02:59:13,760
Which means that if we're, if our spirit is connected to a reincarnation system of our soul, then it means that we never truly die.

2787
02:59:13,900 --> 02:59:14,120
Right.

2788
02:59:14,300 --> 02:59:18,200
And that the fear of death is actually just to keep us trapped here.

2789
02:59:18,380 --> 02:59:18,600
Yeah.

2790
02:59:18,820 --> 02:59:19,500
And what was that?

2791
02:59:19,520 --> 02:59:24,840
There was that Greek cathedral that said, if you die before you die, you won't die when you die or whatever.

2792
02:59:24,840 --> 02:59:31,980
And that really is the kind of underlying principle behind all of these rituals.

2793
02:59:32,560 --> 02:59:32,620
Yeah.

2794
02:59:32,620 --> 02:59:39,140
And, you know, whether it's in the Amazon, putting your hand in a glove full of 20,000 bullet ants, you're kind of switching the thing off.

2795
02:59:39,180 --> 02:59:44,040
And that's an act of faith because you, you, you then realize that the world is much more expansive.

2796
02:59:44,040 --> 02:59:44,480
Yes.

2797
02:59:44,500 --> 02:59:53,120
And if you look at like the Neoplatonists, like, like Plotinus, for example, would say that, you know, simulation is used all the time in today's world.

2798
02:59:53,120 --> 03:00:00,960
But it's used in this sort of nihilistic postmodern, you know, bottelard, you know, simulacra, you know, it's just a video game.

2799
03:00:00,960 --> 03:00:01,220
Right.

2800
03:00:01,220 --> 03:00:09,460
But there's this Platonic sense that like, and Plotinus would say like, we are, we are as a souls porting ourselves into a low level reality.

2801
03:00:09,680 --> 03:00:10,000
Yes.

2802
03:00:10,120 --> 03:00:12,040
And that's probably, I don't know.

2803
03:00:12,100 --> 03:00:15,360
Well, that's the journey that I told you.

2804
03:00:15,360 --> 03:00:24,100
It's that starting from a higher place and then ending up having to go through the wandering of the darkness of a lower state and then finding our way back.

2805
03:00:24,340 --> 03:00:24,480
Yeah.

2806
03:00:24,480 --> 03:00:25,400
I think that's the game.

2807
03:00:25,500 --> 03:00:25,780
Yeah.

2808
03:00:25,780 --> 03:00:41,840
And along the way, we learn incredible lessons about how to exist from, I think, what starts as a metaphysical existence into this physical reality and then having to learn real consequences and lessons about growth, the growth of our soul,

2809
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:53,020
the growth of what kind of a being we want to be and how our collective consciousness can rise up and be raised by that growth.

2810
03:00:53,180 --> 03:00:58,420
So why do you feel like you're driven to uncover kind of the secrets of ancient civilization?

2811
03:00:58,420 --> 03:01:18,680
I have believed based on certain experiences I've had that I probably had a life in one of these ancient civilizations with some of these things because they feel, a lot of it feels very driven and very important to me in this life to uncover these and connect them.

2812
03:01:18,680 --> 03:01:32,680
And I feel like it's more of sometimes it almost feels a little bit like remembering, but not in the sense where I'm trying to claim that I'm, you know, tapping into something.

2813
03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:37,300
For instance, I'm not trying to say like, oh, I remember all this stuff and I haven't done the research.

2814
03:01:37,300 --> 03:01:43,040
It's more like as I'm going along and connecting all these dots, you sort of have like a knowing.

2815
03:01:43,540 --> 03:01:45,700
You're like, oh, shoot, like, of course, right?

2816
03:01:46,040 --> 03:01:51,600
And then also what happens is then you like go deeper and then you get to another layer.

2817
03:01:51,940 --> 03:01:52,740
It's like an onion.

2818
03:01:53,040 --> 03:01:57,160
And then it's like, oh, hey, by the way, you were right before, but that's not the same.

2819
03:01:58,420 --> 03:02:00,280
There's like a more expansive way to look at it.

2820
03:02:00,280 --> 03:02:01,500
And it's like, oh, I get it.

2821
03:02:01,540 --> 03:02:02,900
Like, I didn't see that before.

2822
03:02:02,900 --> 03:02:04,100
And then it keeps going.

2823
03:02:04,100 --> 03:02:08,500
And there's these like steps and levels to understanding this nature of reality.

2824
03:02:08,740 --> 03:02:13,920
Well, I think, you know, and there's a Plato dialogue, you know, Meno, where he says all knowledge is recollection.

2825
03:02:14,260 --> 03:02:14,460
Yeah.

2826
03:02:14,540 --> 03:02:25,900
And I think the idea that we are just running some like local optimizer to like learn random things to just lead a good life or whatever.

2827
03:02:26,040 --> 03:02:27,020
It's total BS.

2828
03:02:27,020 --> 03:02:32,200
When you learn something that sticks with you, like how does memory work?

2829
03:02:32,200 --> 03:02:37,300
It's the reinforcement or articulation of probably latent knowledge inside of you.

2830
03:02:37,540 --> 03:02:38,960
And you see it and there's some resonance.

2831
03:02:39,240 --> 03:02:40,900
And you're like, this is really interesting.

2832
03:02:41,220 --> 03:02:43,380
I have to focus on this and I don't know why.

2833
03:02:43,860 --> 03:02:45,760
And then that leads to other things.

2834
03:02:46,060 --> 03:02:52,020
And if people were honest about their own epistemics, that would be how everybody would describe how they navigate life.

2835
03:02:52,060 --> 03:02:53,700
And they wouldn't be able to navigate life otherwise.

2836
03:02:53,800 --> 03:02:55,160
I'm telling you, that's the future.

2837
03:02:55,160 --> 03:03:03,500
Here's the thing I see, that it's actually unlocked a lot of this, is that your intuition is your guidance.

2838
03:03:03,820 --> 03:03:04,820
Get out of your brain.

2839
03:03:05,180 --> 03:03:10,460
Use that for things like silly, you know, figuring math stuff out and bills and things like that.

2840
03:03:10,680 --> 03:03:14,920
But when you want to make really important decisions or paths in life, get out of this.

2841
03:03:15,180 --> 03:03:16,240
Get into this.

2842
03:03:16,660 --> 03:03:17,100
Trust.

2843
03:03:17,460 --> 03:03:18,380
Trust yourself.

2844
03:03:18,940 --> 03:03:20,840
Trust that you're more powerful than you've been told.

2845
03:03:21,160 --> 03:03:22,540
And trust that you're being guided.

2846
03:03:22,540 --> 03:03:24,980
And I'm telling you, the doors just unlock.

2847
03:03:25,240 --> 03:03:28,480
And all of a sudden, these divine synchronicities happen, right?

2848
03:03:28,660 --> 03:03:32,560
You're like, you trust, like you give it a little bit of trust and then something happens.

2849
03:03:32,560 --> 03:03:33,640
And then you're like, whoa.

2850
03:03:33,720 --> 03:03:34,820
And then it leads to something else.

2851
03:03:34,960 --> 03:03:36,560
And you're like, how did that even just happen?

2852
03:03:36,760 --> 03:03:38,040
And then it blows your mind.

2853
03:03:38,040 --> 03:03:40,680
And then you start being like, well, this is like a trippy thing.

2854
03:03:40,900 --> 03:03:47,260
And then the more you go down it, the more you realize that we're definitely part of this like guided divine story.

2855
03:03:47,500 --> 03:03:49,080
And you can play a part in that.

2856
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:52,460
You can either, right, you can either, like Shakespeare said, right, all of the world is a stage.

2857
03:03:53,080 --> 03:03:54,560
Which part do you want to play?

2858
03:03:54,800 --> 03:03:58,880
Do you want to play the hero, the antagonist?

2859
03:03:59,220 --> 03:04:02,600
Do you want to play just someone kind of neutral, like an NPC in the background?

2860
03:04:03,140 --> 03:04:08,060
But at any point, based on free will, you can decide to kind of wake up and start that journey.

2861
03:04:08,060 --> 03:04:14,640
Using your intuition, where do you think that next big breakthrough is going to come from?

2862
03:04:14,960 --> 03:04:30,060
And I'll ask it differently because I think a lot of times people in your position, Robert Schock's position, Graham Hancock's position, you end up in this sort of liminal space where like half of the people that like resonate with your stuff.

2863
03:04:30,060 --> 03:04:34,500
You know, all these people who like hear you out, really agree with you.

2864
03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:36,040
And they're like, this makes so much sense.

2865
03:04:36,740 --> 03:04:37,420
This is right.

2866
03:04:37,480 --> 03:04:39,280
We've been lied to about ancient civilization.

2867
03:04:40,160 --> 03:04:47,480
Do you think there's a point in our lifetime or at any point in the near future where this flips into, oh, this is the consensus?

2868
03:04:47,480 --> 03:04:58,340
Like all of these, you know, Fertile Crescent is the cradle of civilization and all of these kind of like hyper-nationalized stories are just kind of BS.

2869
03:04:58,640 --> 03:05:03,480
And a lot of this ancient architecture all over the world comports with universal symbology.

2870
03:05:04,020 --> 03:05:08,660
I think that the reason it hasn't come out yet is that humanity wasn't ready.

2871
03:05:09,080 --> 03:05:10,200
It's like a mystery school.

2872
03:05:10,680 --> 03:05:12,780
It's like the adepts are ready when they're ready.

2873
03:05:13,000 --> 03:05:15,920
And we as a collective have not been ready yet.

2874
03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:19,460
We've been governed by lower consciousness and different aspects of energy.

2875
03:05:19,860 --> 03:05:24,320
And that's why these things have been able to be held back because we allowed it.

2876
03:05:24,780 --> 03:05:26,540
But there is a tipping point.

2877
03:05:26,620 --> 03:05:30,760
Like Graham says, I believe our entire history has been built on a foundation of sand.

2878
03:05:31,320 --> 03:05:33,540
And that tide is coming in right now.

2879
03:05:33,660 --> 03:05:41,520
Well, I think, I mean, just thinking again using my left brain logical like how most people think out there.

2880
03:05:41,520 --> 03:05:51,340
I think the way to tip the scales here would be to come up with some new age dating method beyond carbon dating.

2881
03:05:51,680 --> 03:05:57,100
If we could somehow do that for any of these structures and then if we could find more of them.

2882
03:05:57,120 --> 03:05:58,600
You mentioned like maybe a half dozen.

2883
03:05:58,720 --> 03:06:06,220
If we could find more of them and we could date them all, I think we get to this point of this critical threshold of it's beyond a reasonable doubt.

2884
03:06:06,220 --> 03:06:07,580
Well, let me add something to that.

2885
03:06:07,720 --> 03:06:09,400
I guess this is, this would probably be helpful for you.

2886
03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:12,700
I am part of a very significant documentary that I'm leading.

2887
03:06:12,900 --> 03:06:13,220
Awesome.

2888
03:06:13,540 --> 03:06:22,080
With some very interesting individuals around the world, including some of the ones we've already mentioned, that we are trying to do that very thing right now.

2889
03:06:22,380 --> 03:06:22,700
Epic.

2890
03:06:22,700 --> 03:06:24,340
And we're right in the middle of that.

2891
03:06:24,500 --> 03:06:36,860
Those trips I mentioned to you, we're scouting trips that are out in advance of something much greater that we are building for a documentary that we hope helps to shift that entire narrative.

2892
03:06:37,560 --> 03:06:38,480
Super exciting.

2893
03:06:38,760 --> 03:06:41,840
Well, if I can join for any leg of that trip, count me in, man.

2894
03:06:41,860 --> 03:06:42,300
I'm serious.

2895
03:06:42,540 --> 03:06:48,640
I'll fly wherever and just be a fly on the wall and, you know, be awesome to witness history.

2896
03:06:49,040 --> 03:06:49,900
It's very exciting.

2897
03:06:49,900 --> 03:07:00,160
The documentary goes from these sites in Turkey that includes Peru and Bolivia and Menorca, Spain, and we'll potentially expand on other things.

2898
03:07:00,580 --> 03:07:11,380
But let's just say that some of these secrets are, we have some very compelling data and some very interesting things that I can't, I can't share everything yet.

2899
03:07:11,500 --> 03:07:14,140
But stay tuned because things are about to get exciting.

2900
03:07:14,540 --> 03:07:17,460
Anything you can hint at and anything mind-blowing that we missed?

2901
03:07:17,460 --> 03:07:22,880
There's some very interesting, there is some potential dating stuff that I can't talk about yet.

2902
03:07:23,020 --> 03:07:23,460
Really?

2903
03:07:23,740 --> 03:07:24,080
Yes.

2904
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:28,800
That's going to, smoking gun that things are older than we think.

2905
03:07:28,840 --> 03:07:29,060
Yeah.

2906
03:07:29,200 --> 03:07:30,100
So stay tuned.

2907
03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:33,300
I've had to have a vow of secrecy on that one.

2908
03:07:33,340 --> 03:07:34,780
That's really exciting.

2909
03:07:35,080 --> 03:07:35,320
Yeah.

2910
03:07:35,720 --> 03:07:36,160
Wow.

2911
03:07:37,100 --> 03:07:41,580
Well, if we could get that, man, help me, I mean, let me help you break it.

2912
03:07:41,740 --> 03:07:43,940
Come back and we'll talk about it.

2913
03:07:43,940 --> 03:07:45,980
Well, it's an ongoing project.

2914
03:07:46,300 --> 03:07:59,580
We are, we want to make sure we do our due diligence to explore all these places before actually filming so we can make sure that we tell the story and present the evidence in the best way possible.

2915
03:07:59,720 --> 03:08:00,200
Very cool.

2916
03:08:00,320 --> 03:08:02,380
And is it, it's you, Robert Schock, anybody?

2917
03:08:02,380 --> 03:08:09,700
We have a whole team and again, some, I want to, I don't want to say that just because everyone's involved in it, that they have to have a certain perspective.

2918
03:08:09,900 --> 03:08:20,120
I want to just throw that out there that all the people involved in this are experts in their field and they are just bringing their expertise and we are investigating these mysteries.

2919
03:08:20,120 --> 03:08:24,180
But it doesn't mean anyone has to necessarily be on board to anything.

2920
03:08:24,540 --> 03:08:28,580
But yes, we have experts like Robert Schock.

2921
03:08:28,780 --> 03:08:32,040
We have Robert Edward Grant.

2922
03:08:32,300 --> 03:08:33,500
We have archaeologists.

2923
03:08:33,800 --> 03:08:34,840
He's a symbologist or?

2924
03:08:35,060 --> 03:08:35,700
Polymath.

2925
03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:38,020
We have archaeologist Hans Orheim.

2926
03:08:38,220 --> 03:08:43,980
We have sacred geometry expert Arturo, Arturo Ponce de Leon.

2927
03:08:44,480 --> 03:08:45,700
And we have Lydia.

2928
03:08:45,820 --> 03:08:46,280
Ponce de Leon?

2929
03:08:46,440 --> 03:08:46,640
Yeah.

2930
03:08:46,900 --> 03:08:48,520
He must have changed that name.

2931
03:08:48,520 --> 03:08:52,220
And then we have Lydia, Lydia de Leon.

2932
03:08:52,540 --> 03:08:55,960
So we have some, we have some really, really interesting.

2933
03:08:56,040 --> 03:08:58,020
We also have Paul Wallace, who's a biblical expert.

2934
03:08:58,160 --> 03:08:59,180
I don't know if you've heard of Paul Wallace.

2935
03:08:59,480 --> 03:08:59,720
I know.

2936
03:09:00,020 --> 03:09:05,620
And some others that we're putting together to investigate some of these mysteries right now.

2937
03:09:06,040 --> 03:09:06,480
Fantastic.

2938
03:09:06,760 --> 03:09:10,060
Well, I'm super excited to see what you guys dig up.

2939
03:09:10,120 --> 03:09:11,340
I think it's a really interesting time.

2940
03:09:11,440 --> 03:09:17,420
It's a convergence of the world kind of waking up to a lot of this stuff, this collective amnesia, possibly.

2941
03:09:17,420 --> 03:09:23,420
As well as just a new tech that we're, you know, ideally we can sort of date these things.

2942
03:09:23,900 --> 03:09:26,860
And if you want to support that, thestageoftime.com.

2943
03:09:26,920 --> 03:09:29,080
You can go to documentary on the tab, the tab there.

2944
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:31,500
And we have all that information there for what we're doing.

2945
03:09:31,640 --> 03:09:31,980
Awesome.

2946
03:09:32,540 --> 03:09:35,400
Have you ever read a book called Forbidden Archaeology by any chance?

2947
03:09:35,400 --> 03:09:35,740
I have.

2948
03:09:35,840 --> 03:09:36,560
If you're familiar with it.

2949
03:09:36,560 --> 03:09:52,640
So they talk about a lot of these, you know, like the antique theorem mechanism, you know, that was found on this island in Greece, you know, where it's basically you can predict planetary alignments and positioning via this like early computer or something.

2950
03:09:52,640 --> 03:10:04,180
Do you think that a lot of this theory that you're kind of stumbling into explains a lot of that, you know, astronomically and technologically precocious?

2951
03:10:04,180 --> 03:10:06,040
Because they had mastered those things.

2952
03:10:06,420 --> 03:10:17,200
And the reason why we don't find much of it is because if you have enormous amounts of time that go by with catastrophes, there's very little that can survive a civilization.

2953
03:10:17,360 --> 03:10:20,320
And I would bring up what would survive our civilization.

2954
03:10:20,580 --> 03:10:20,680
Yeah.

2955
03:10:20,680 --> 03:10:32,020
I mean, if you think about it, wood would just rot, metal would corrode, glass would just break off and disappear and round out into what looks like, you know, quartz almost and then shatter into smaller pieces.

2956
03:10:32,240 --> 03:10:32,420
Yeah.

2957
03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:34,780
Things like what do we actually have that would survive?

2958
03:10:35,220 --> 03:10:38,480
Digital records would all be gone, paper gone in 500 to 1,000 years.

2959
03:10:38,720 --> 03:10:48,800
All we would have is getting back to what they did is the stonework from churches and chapels and things that would literally be all that would survive us.

2960
03:10:48,800 --> 03:10:49,120
Yep.

2961
03:10:49,420 --> 03:10:51,300
Maybe humans are storage mechanisms.

2962
03:10:51,700 --> 03:10:52,060
Exactly.

2963
03:10:52,280 --> 03:11:03,060
So I think that's the thing that really needs to be iterated here is that we look at so little that's left, but really like there's quite a bit considering how much time has gone by.

2964
03:11:04,540 --> 03:11:06,460
So many thousands of years.

2965
03:11:07,000 --> 03:11:13,260
And yet structures like we just pointed out, like Ionis, just remain that they remain the test of time.

2966
03:11:13,260 --> 03:11:19,720
And their teachings survive until we're ready to finally understand what they really mean.

2967
03:11:20,980 --> 03:11:21,580
Fascinating, man.

2968
03:11:21,660 --> 03:11:23,240
Well, Matt, I really appreciate your time.

2969
03:11:23,300 --> 03:11:23,920
This was awesome.

2970
03:11:24,360 --> 03:11:25,080
You too, Jesse.

2971
03:11:25,080 --> 03:11:26,120
I enjoyed that conversation.

2972
03:11:26,220 --> 03:11:26,860
It was great.

2973
03:11:27,040 --> 03:11:27,220
Yeah.

2974
03:11:27,300 --> 03:11:34,780
Well, I feel like we're just on the precipice of I'd love to help in any way push this forward because I think it's like really important stuff.

2975
03:11:34,780 --> 03:11:36,920
And I want to get to the bottom of it.

2976
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:49,520
If we could somehow figure out that all of this was older, there were more than what we have now, and that you have still, you have consistent symbology across all these sites, you know, that's just this massive, exciting.

2977
03:11:49,640 --> 03:11:51,060
That's what we're working to do right now.

2978
03:11:51,060 --> 03:12:06,480
And I feel like we're at that precipice right now where that old foundation is collapsing, the sand foundation, and we're at the edge where it's going to be a tipping point where all of a sudden, once we bring out some of this good evidence and some of these new things emerging, that it's going to just shift like dominoes.

2979
03:12:06,580 --> 03:12:06,720
Yeah.

2980
03:12:07,120 --> 03:12:15,520
Well, look, like I think instrumentation is really crucial for ontological understanding of truth.

2981
03:12:15,520 --> 03:12:21,000
So it's like Galileo needed a telescope to tell us that we didn't live in a heliocentric universe.

2982
03:12:21,420 --> 03:12:30,200
And there's so many examples, the discovery of like bacteria in the late 19th century, you know, whatever, electrons, you know, via, you know, microscopy or whatever.

2983
03:12:31,340 --> 03:12:40,320
That perceptual hacking or whatever is like how we understand the true world that we're probably swimming in and living in outside of our-

2984
03:12:40,320 --> 03:12:40,780
It's called awareness.

2985
03:12:41,060 --> 03:12:41,560
Yeah, it's awareness.

2986
03:12:41,560 --> 03:12:43,000
You increase your awareness of everything.

2987
03:12:43,000 --> 03:13:00,660
So the idea that like we won't have a profoundly different understanding of the origins of humanity near term even, given that archaeology is in its modern form only, you know, sub 200 years old, is actually, I think, involves a lot of hubris and is probably just completely wrong.

2988
03:13:00,660 --> 03:13:15,160
You know, there's a great book called The Half-Life of Facts by a guy named Samuel Arbisman and he talks about facts and consensus being like almost acting like radioactive isotope decay where like half of the facts slough off and we overturn them constantly.

2989
03:13:15,160 --> 03:13:26,400
I see this as having a- I just want to say this and we can end out is that I see it as being this enormous shift that all of a sudden just pivots.

2990
03:13:26,660 --> 03:13:26,840
Yeah.

2991
03:13:26,840 --> 03:13:40,440
I have archaeologists that email me all the time, young guys in school, young girls in school, like wanting to, like learning about archaeology or they're new to archaeology, they're just starting out and they're like, I want to make a difference but I don't want to follow the old narrative.

2992
03:13:40,680 --> 03:13:41,100
So cool.

2993
03:13:41,100 --> 03:13:48,420
Once it shifts, once we see that shift and all of those listening to this, imagine what we can accomplish if we're all on the same team.

2994
03:13:49,160 --> 03:13:49,600
Totally.

2995
03:13:49,600 --> 03:13:57,580
Open-minded, objective science like it was supposed to be all along, just the facts, look into what's there, have no bias.

2996
03:13:58,120 --> 03:14:00,940
And that's a broad spectrum across everything.

2997
03:14:01,320 --> 03:14:07,420
What could humanity do if we were under the lens of like trying to better ourselves and understand who we really are?

2998
03:14:07,620 --> 03:14:09,540
What could we unlock and achieve together?

2999
03:14:09,740 --> 03:14:18,640
I think it's Acilla and Charybdis and on the one hand you have new-agey magical thinking but on the other hand you have equally dogmatic skepticism.

3000
03:14:18,640 --> 03:14:29,360
And if right now we have too much skepticism and it's this citadel, this priestly citadel of expert class or whatever that's trying to keep everybody else out.

3001
03:14:29,800 --> 03:14:37,720
And I think it's the beauty of the internet because the internet is more of a true marketplace of ideas than sort of legacy media.

3002
03:14:37,920 --> 03:14:46,300
And you can see Graham Hancock debate Flint Dibble and then you can fact-check Flint Dibble and realize that he got all this shipwreck data completely wrong and he lied about it.

3003
03:14:46,300 --> 03:15:00,360
And like it's this beautiful collective kind of Socratic process of like accessing truth that's kind of, you know, despite backdoors into social media platforms a la Twitter files or whatever, it's kind of hard to shut down.

3004
03:15:00,580 --> 03:15:01,140
Like it's this-

3005
03:15:01,140 --> 03:15:02,660
It's growing and it can't be stopped.

3006
03:15:02,680 --> 03:15:04,560
It's this octopus that's just growing, yeah.

3007
03:15:04,740 --> 03:15:07,720
You can't take it back out of the- once the box is open, right?

3008
03:15:07,800 --> 03:15:09,820
It's like this is all opening up right now.

3009
03:15:09,860 --> 03:15:10,660
You can't put it back.

3010
03:15:10,660 --> 03:15:11,420
You can't put it back.

3011
03:15:11,420 --> 03:15:15,220
It's only going to grow to a greater understanding and eventually it's just going to tip the scales.

3012
03:15:15,400 --> 03:15:27,540
And then- and I encourage all archaeologists and scientists, whatever, whoever you are, free thinkers of the world to understand that, you know, this is about to shift and just imagine what we can all accomplish together on that kind of mindset.

3013
03:15:28,180 --> 03:15:29,300
I would love that, man.

3014
03:15:29,360 --> 03:15:30,400
Well, let's do it.

3015
03:15:30,400 --> 03:15:48,160
And, okay, final question, any of these sort of ancient, you know, symbolic structures, whether it's the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, like some of these, you know, things that we've quested for for thousands of years, do you have high conviction that any of these exist?

3016
03:15:48,440 --> 03:15:52,580
And if so, what's the thing that your highest conviction in and where do you think it's located?

3017
03:15:52,580 --> 03:16:06,080
One of the things that may happen with this shift is during transparency, we may end up realizing that there are things that have been hidden deliberately, things that have been hidden in certain parts of the world.

3018
03:16:06,780 --> 03:16:13,320
I'll just say this, certain ancient temples that have been dismantled and things that have been removed.

3019
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:17,040
And I have found very, very compelling evidence that that has happened.

3020
03:16:17,300 --> 03:16:18,920
Temple of which temple?

3021
03:16:19,260 --> 03:16:21,540
Some of the ones that we are just referring to.

3022
03:16:21,540 --> 03:16:21,980
Interesting.

3023
03:16:21,980 --> 03:16:23,020
In that region.

3024
03:16:23,440 --> 03:16:27,720
And that there are, and other things that have been deliberately hidden.

3025
03:16:27,900 --> 03:16:34,720
For instance, the 40,000 Canadian form tablets at the Ashurbanapal Library, around 150 have been translated out of 40,000.

3026
03:16:35,500 --> 03:16:35,880
Wow.

3027
03:16:36,060 --> 03:16:46,600
We have to start asking about bringing together a global awareness of what has happened to all these things, where they have gone, and what maybe we can gleam from them.

3028
03:16:46,600 --> 03:17:02,460
And so I would just say that this shift over to a new paradigm of thinking and open-minded objective science to understand who we really are and what has happened to us in the past will also unlock some other secrets regarding things that have been hidden from us for a very long time.

3029
03:17:02,460 --> 03:17:12,700
And I think the bifurcation of mythology and, quote-unquote, history is ridiculous because a lot of the past comprised mythology and religion.

3030
03:17:12,700 --> 03:17:19,300
And so you have, you know, Heinrich von Schleiman in 1871 being motivated by Thucydides and Homer.

3031
03:17:19,380 --> 03:17:20,700
Everybody was saying that was just mythology.

3032
03:17:20,900 --> 03:17:21,880
And then he finds Troy.

3033
03:17:22,600 --> 03:17:22,840
Exactly.

3034
03:17:22,840 --> 03:17:24,080
And then now we see...

3035
03:17:24,080 --> 03:17:24,580
Eridus-Sherupac?

3036
03:17:24,680 --> 03:17:25,840
Like, we just went over this, right?

3037
03:17:25,840 --> 03:17:26,440
Eridus-Sherupac.

3038
03:17:26,440 --> 03:17:27,560
We're finding that out now.

3039
03:17:27,960 --> 03:17:39,200
You know, Plato saying, you know, at Timaeus and Crataeus, you know, at this Mythos Festival saying that 9,000 years ago we fought against Atlantis.

3040
03:17:39,420 --> 03:17:40,460
The Athenians did.

3041
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:42,800
And so increasingly...

3042
03:17:42,800 --> 03:17:46,640
And then maybe that's Meltwater Pulse 1B or maybe that's some other thing or whatever.

3043
03:17:46,660 --> 03:17:47,860
We can have another conversation about that.

3044
03:17:47,900 --> 03:17:49,300
I can bring some stuff to that next time.

3045
03:17:49,340 --> 03:17:50,040
We can talk about it.

3046
03:17:50,120 --> 03:17:50,600
Oh, really?

3047
03:17:50,740 --> 03:17:51,060
Oh, yeah.

3048
03:17:51,480 --> 03:17:52,140
Oh, interesting.

3049
03:17:52,300 --> 03:17:52,760
The Plato?

3050
03:17:52,760 --> 03:17:56,840
Yeah, I think Plato has been overly...

3051
03:17:56,840 --> 03:18:00,620
And I believe what he's saying, but I mean, I think there's even better evidence for Atlantis besides that.

3052
03:18:00,660 --> 03:18:01,260
Well, tell me.

3053
03:18:01,360 --> 03:18:01,940
No, you got to.

3054
03:18:01,940 --> 03:18:03,860
This is totally relevant to our conversation today.

3055
03:18:03,980 --> 03:18:04,460
You got to tell.

3056
03:18:04,680 --> 03:18:05,420
Okay, I'll just...

3057
03:18:05,420 --> 03:18:06,860
I'll say this and then we can end out.

3058
03:18:06,900 --> 03:18:07,340
Yeah, cool.

3059
03:18:07,440 --> 03:18:10,340
But, for instance, Plato, of course, is...

3060
03:18:10,340 --> 03:18:14,920
Socrates, his mentor, was murdered and poisoned during that time period because he spoke out.

3061
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:17,500
Not necessarily about lost civilizations, but he just spoke out, right?

3062
03:18:17,500 --> 03:18:18,200
He drank a poison.

3063
03:18:18,320 --> 03:18:18,560
He killed...

3064
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:20,620
He was forced to drink hemlock.

3065
03:18:20,620 --> 03:18:21,720
It was his choice to die.

3066
03:18:21,720 --> 03:18:23,680
His choice of death because he had to.

3067
03:18:24,040 --> 03:18:25,640
It was like, you can do this, this, or this.

3068
03:18:25,860 --> 03:18:32,800
The problem was Plato was very concerned about speaking openly about things because of, again, his mentor was killed.

3069
03:18:33,000 --> 03:18:34,040
He was devastated.

3070
03:18:34,220 --> 03:18:35,500
Others couldn't speak out.

3071
03:18:35,740 --> 03:18:40,060
So I think that's why he took all those things and put them into allegory, okay?

3072
03:18:40,520 --> 03:18:47,140
However, the thing that I think people miss is that there's another poet and philosopher called Plutarch.

3073
03:18:47,340 --> 03:18:50,900
There's also Diodorus, but Plutarch never gets talked about.

3074
03:18:50,900 --> 03:18:51,900
Plutarch...

3075
03:18:51,900 --> 03:18:53,300
I have his book, Plutarch's Lives.

3076
03:18:53,380 --> 03:19:02,400
Well, in Plutarch, he describes how there was a very specific elder priest at the temple of Sais in Egypt named Sanchez, and he describes him in great detail.

3077
03:19:02,400 --> 03:19:20,760
And I realized that if we look at that on paper, having an individual called out that has a name that has a standing as a certain elder priest of an actual temple that they found, and there's pictures of, brings the whole thing out of allegory into a realism sense.

3078
03:19:20,760 --> 03:19:34,120
Plutarch describes Sanchez in great detail as being the elder priest of the temple of Sais, and therefore, I think, justifying that the story was not allegorical and was actually real.

3079
03:19:34,120 --> 03:19:37,280
But, and so, oh, interesting.

3080
03:19:37,380 --> 03:19:39,720
So he talks about him as, like, a historical figure.

3081
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:40,220
Yeah, exactly.

3082
03:19:40,580 --> 03:19:42,400
And was he the one that relayed that Solon?

3083
03:19:42,400 --> 03:19:45,960
He was the one that Solon learned the entire story from Atlantis from.

3084
03:19:46,100 --> 03:19:46,400
Oh, whoa.

3085
03:19:46,400 --> 03:19:54,440
So what I mean is, you think about something like, oh, that sounds fun, like meeting up with hypothetical priests down in Egypt, okay?

3086
03:19:54,700 --> 03:20:10,280
But how about Plutarch's version where he actually describes a specific individual in history that is the elder priest of the temple of Sais named Sanchez, who is the one who had all the knowledge because he was the elder priest and all the other ones were supporting of him.

3087
03:20:10,300 --> 03:20:11,560
Oh, why does nobody bring that up?

3088
03:20:11,640 --> 03:20:11,980
That's wild.

3089
03:20:11,980 --> 03:20:12,860
That's what I think, too.

3090
03:20:13,180 --> 03:20:15,540
And we know that Sanchez went to Egypt?

3091
03:20:15,540 --> 03:20:24,960
No, Sanchez was the elder priest of the temple of Sais that Solon went down to meet, and that's who told him the entire story of Atlantis and ancient Athenians.

3092
03:20:24,960 --> 03:20:27,360
Okay, so Solon never went directly to Egypt.

3093
03:20:27,980 --> 03:20:28,420
Santius.

3094
03:20:28,660 --> 03:20:29,440
No, no, no, no, no.

3095
03:20:29,640 --> 03:20:31,740
Solon learned the story from Sanchez.

3096
03:20:32,360 --> 03:20:36,940
He was the elder priest of the temple of Sais of these other priests.

3097
03:20:37,140 --> 03:20:40,220
So when Plato talks about it in, like, a hypothetical—

3098
03:20:40,220 --> 03:20:43,280
And did Santius go to Egypt, though, or, like, was this—

3099
03:20:43,280 --> 03:20:46,100
Sanchez is the elder priest of the temple of Sais.

3100
03:20:46,240 --> 03:20:46,720
So I get that.

3101
03:20:46,720 --> 03:20:48,100
The temple of Sais is Egypt.

3102
03:20:48,140 --> 03:20:48,980
Oh, that's in Egypt.

3103
03:20:49,160 --> 03:20:49,800
Okay, got it.

3104
03:20:49,820 --> 03:20:50,340
You see what I'm saying?

3105
03:20:50,420 --> 03:20:50,820
Got it.

3106
03:20:50,940 --> 03:20:55,200
So it's no longer a hypothetical place that Solon goes to to find out a story.

3107
03:20:55,260 --> 03:20:55,560
Wild.

3108
03:20:55,560 --> 03:21:11,860
It's a very specific place that was, number one, verified, and number two, now we have an historical figure who was the elder priest that knew all the knowledge and talked about how that literally was the purpose of the temple of Sais, was to be a record-keeping location for, like, ancient history.

3109
03:21:11,860 --> 03:21:12,620
We know that.

3110
03:21:12,680 --> 03:21:17,480
And it was destroyed at some point within the next 500 years to 1,000 years.

3111
03:21:17,580 --> 03:21:19,720
It didn't exist, and, like, we never saw it again.

3112
03:21:19,820 --> 03:21:20,880
Have we dug it up at all?

3113
03:21:21,040 --> 03:21:21,340
No, no.

3114
03:21:21,360 --> 03:21:23,340
It was, like, wiped out and just disappeared in history.

3115
03:21:23,520 --> 03:21:23,960
The Temple of Sais.

3116
03:21:23,960 --> 03:21:27,860
We have paintings made from it from descriptions of those who saw it.

3117
03:21:27,960 --> 03:21:31,860
How do we know that it was this historical record-keeping place?

3118
03:21:31,860 --> 03:21:43,180
Because Plutarch goes into details of talking about Sanchez as being the elder priest of that entire temple who was basically giving descriptions of it in a way that Plato doesn't even do.

3119
03:21:43,400 --> 03:21:44,100
That's wild.

3120
03:21:44,280 --> 03:21:44,460
Yeah.

3121
03:21:44,560 --> 03:21:47,280
It's, like, another layer to it if people want to go down as Plutarch.

3122
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:48,440
Fascinating.

3123
03:21:49,140 --> 03:21:49,780
Well, there you go.

3124
03:21:49,800 --> 03:21:51,800
Kind of hidden between the lines a little bit if you're paying attention.

3125
03:21:52,220 --> 03:21:52,820
I love it.

3126
03:21:53,380 --> 03:21:54,300
Mystery continues.

3127
03:21:54,500 --> 03:21:56,520
Well, Matt, really appreciate it, man.

3128
03:21:56,580 --> 03:21:56,820
This was a blast.

3129
03:21:56,820 --> 03:21:57,380
You too, Jesse.

3130
03:21:57,440 --> 03:21:58,240
That was a great conversation.

3131
03:21:58,360 --> 03:21:59,500
Yeah, learned so much.

3132
03:21:59,700 --> 03:21:59,940
Yeah.

3133
03:21:59,940 --> 03:22:00,920
To be continued.

3134
03:22:01,120 --> 03:22:02,120
To be continued, my friend.

3135
03:22:02,300 --> 03:22:03,040
Awesome, man.

3136
03:22:03,320 --> 03:22:03,640
Cool.

3137
03:22:03,880 --> 03:22:04,580
Well, thanks so much.

3138
03:22:04,640 --> 03:22:08,420
And if you want to see my work, my YouTube channel is Matthew LaCroix.

3139
03:22:08,960 --> 03:22:13,240
My Instagram is The Stage of Time, and my website is thestageoftime.com.

3140
03:22:13,300 --> 03:22:14,180
Go check it out.

3141
03:22:14,620 --> 03:22:18,020
Subscribe, like, and, yeah, watch all your awesome videos.

3142
03:22:18,360 --> 03:22:24,720
And, yeah, I hope, you know, a lot of people come out and support you because I think you're doing really important work.

3143
03:22:24,720 --> 03:22:35,240
And sometimes work like this, you know, is not – it lies external to our, you know, capitalist system or whatever, but it's, like, extremely important.

3144
03:22:35,360 --> 03:22:35,840
Yeah, I agree.

3145
03:22:36,180 --> 03:22:44,500
And, you know, Carnegie Gospel of Wealth sense, it should be, like, where the excess proceeds, you know, flow directly to immediately.

3146
03:22:44,700 --> 03:22:50,800
Like, it should be the first place we fund is our understanding of ourselves, and that should inform our culture and everything.

3147
03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:51,680
We'll get there, Jesse.

3148
03:22:51,740 --> 03:22:52,320
I appreciate it.

3149
03:22:52,320 --> 03:22:52,940
It was a great conversation.

3150
03:22:52,940 --> 03:22:53,620
Thanks, my friend.

3151
03:22:53,620 --> 03:22:54,520
Awesome, man.