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>> And maybe given those facts which I did
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given those facts that have come to light,
perhaps this is a way of safeguarding the

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the elite from accidentally falling afoul of
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later and you'll probably laugh about this.
>> Hey guys, welcome back to edge of wonde...

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our incredible mystery man free Mason insider
Joaquin. It's just been an amazing interview.

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So the York right is Christian, the Shrine is
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It's one of the more popular rights. They
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right library I was talking about earlier.
Their mystical tradition and work and

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Christian or Islamic symbols. So it's like,
you know, they use the snake touching its

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you often see on like. >> Theosophy. >>
Theosophy, you know, that's there, you kno...

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in some temples the G itself is a snake. >>
Really? >> That's merely wrapped like this.

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in Egypt and they all use this snake, right?
And the ancient Greeks too with their staf...

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Hermes, right? So they use that snake and
sometimes a snake is literally the G is

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with the head kind of going back under the
tail. They have all kinds of symbolism

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it's all there. You know, it's all present.
For instance, above the altar in many lodges,

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at least the one that I was in, is a
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circle around the altar like this, you know.
So again, this is a ton of stuff in masonr...

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there's been a lot of people who have said,
"Oh, you know, masonry is completely

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Christianity." In some ways, it is, you know,
strictly speaking, Blue Lodge masonry in my

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understanding is compatible with orthodox
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ceremonies in Canada and speaking in Low
Dutch. I mean, it's a strange organization...

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old organization. I'm happy to have met the
people I've met through it. You know, I

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you know, renounce it totally or say that
it's, you know, something that utterly is,

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social club, it really can't be beat. I mean,
the people you meet, you know, if you want...

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letter of recommendation, boy, you can get
one. And some of the brothers have told me...

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one for any job that I've got it from them.
What would happen to you if they found out

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secrets. So there are things that you know
that you haven't revealed in this interview?

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Yes. And those are the things you're sworn to
not talk about? Yeah. Are they creepy? I'm

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you to tell us what they are. They are
basically just the sign symbols and words

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as masons and infiltrate masonry. So they're
actually nothing that a person needs to

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himself with unless they plan on sneaking
into a masonic lodge and pretending to be ...

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Those are those are the so-called secrets of
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question. So what I've understood from our
research is that the reason why those thin...

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important that you just discussed like the
the secrets is that they're constantly

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to see if you can keep more and more secrets
as you are increasing your degrees within ...

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accounts of the original Illuminati and the
French remasonry actually came about as we...

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is the revealing of the mysteries and then
they're testing to see what you can kind of

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you know hold in and then they reveal at a
certain point all of these all of these

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like for you and your bloodline that you
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show and reveal as well and different things
that you might go through at those levels.

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like each level has their own set of secret
hand signs. They do and you don't know the...

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an inner apprentice what you learn is a
fellow craft which is then again different

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learn as a master mason. It is if you want or
it was historically used as a outer court ...

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senators and the philosophers would look for
people who showed aptitude and invite them to

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know the higher things right. This has been
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different ways in society. So this is just
the remnant of that. Whether the inner wor...

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those old things. And you know I'll give you
another example how seriously they take this

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and I'll give you a little fun little hint is
that because this is a public in a movie. So

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about this. For instance we had a brother who
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casually among non-master masons perhaps new
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some members of the lodge found out about it
and I wasn't present and don't know the

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Like saying basically if you continued you
were going to lose your life or you could ...

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Yeah because they're oaths the oaths are
basically like if you do reveal the secret...

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I've never seen it. I understand but I'm I'm
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saying those things that actually there would
be some follow through. We assume that. We

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probably assume that. What about like all the
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disinformation none of those are actual you
know they're actual in the sense of like i...

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the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill
but those aren't the actual signs. Well I ...

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you know because I've been been and I've been
researching this stuff and you're watching

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of these like it's like the directors of
these music videos are very in tune with

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to pass certain things out in society some of
which could of course be a little bit of

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of a decoy but at the same time why do that.
Why have these music videos with these bla...

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white tiles and the very specific things that
you're talking about are even in these

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lodges if they don't want this to be in
people's consciousness and out there. They...

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communication symbols of blue lodge masonry
but they are definitely occult symbols of ...

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Now some of them are very rough you could say
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an occult symbol and whether the person has
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Or really knows their meaning as anybody's
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For a person spiritually sometimes where you
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the kinds of things you like and are apt to
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the auspire practice some occult thing but I
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now because it's it has been put out there
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you know may be tied to masonry or not that
have you know kind of intentionally push

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their eye and you know those are pretty close
to the symbols that are used in masonry

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being absolutely on the nose you might say
there's a secret meeting place yes let's g...

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saying it and of course a person in the know
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numbers and symbols there are the possibility
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again I've never been trained in the occult
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the symbols do on the surface seem to be
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the head is like oh the hand and it was like
the devil horn thing that he was doing yea...

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people use a cross right they put the cross
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also depicted on the cross and Catholicism is
it the same meaning you know maybe kind of

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use a t shape people just making a t with
their body with no cross but they're makin...

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their body like Da Vinci's vitruvian man you
know so again some of these symbols are ju...

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fundamental maybe to the universe maybe they
have some other purpose maybe you can perv...

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of a swastika right so you can pervert
certain symbols they may have some inheren...

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are those the original symbols are those
really what you think they are are you eve...

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Are those really what you think they are? Are
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Esoteric symbols, esoteric symbols, you know,
they've been around forever.

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I think a lot of the meaning, the actual
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many times as to be like a really worn out
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Jay-Z keeps coming to mind because he's very
into Alistair Crowley obviously with the

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and everything else. Do you think that
they're actually trying to do something wi...

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For sure you can try to use these things. I
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tiny bit of and immediately put it down
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He was definitely trying to do it because
it's described by his biographer, whoever

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wrote the book, that he had been trying to
summon this thing for like many many hours

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chained himself up in order to do so. So he
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board or taking these symbols or doing
something and you want to make a bunch of

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maybe you'll get that money and maybe what
gave it to you is not going to be right, b...

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matter if you use this symbol or that? You
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because actually I mean it's like Buddhism,
they have hand signs too, like you know

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like you know the whole point. Right. There's
that famous painting of Jesus holding up t...

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and people are saying like oh well and then
his bath met you know kind of mocking that

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you know. So I think you hit a really
important point that it's the intention

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to symbols used in communist revolutionary
marches. They're similar to symbols used in

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even you know Black Lives Matter protests in
terms of the layout of the figures and the

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They're similar to certain Christian drawings
or paintings or certain things in the

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element of parody. I think there is this
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trying to pervert them for some other
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but they celebrate it by burning, you know,
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Odin worship, right? People have been
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they're just confused. People just be using
stuff like find it on the street, oh I'm

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that, that's cool, you know, pick it up and
put a tattoo, who knows what it means, you

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but I have a couple of other questions. Sure.
Is the Queen a reptilian?

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That wasn't my question. So, King Solomon.
Yes, very important in Masonry. Yeah, very

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important in Masonry. They seem to think that
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Basically, if you've read the Bible cover to
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some of the other books, especially King
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Archangel Angel Michael and he was able to
control demons. A lot of symbolism,

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within his account of what happened during
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and Masonic lodges that are connected to King
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there's this whole connection to the Holy
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to all kinds of different stuff. And I was
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Okay, so some of the books say, and again,
the books are not in total agreement. Some...

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books are in the Messiah Library. Some are
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guarded things. So, the layperson thinks the
Templars guarded a bunch of money. Gold,

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Masons or the Templars guarded was the actual
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Jesus. So, the inner path was guarded. That
was the real Holy Grail, which gives inter...

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is the actual cultivation method by which to
achieve it. So, that was the real secret.

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was just a ruse, right? In some of the books,
it was just a ruse to throw people off of ...

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of finding actual cultivation, right? So,
some people say, including Dan Brown

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that they guard the descendants, if you want
to follow this thread, which is an orthodox,

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texts and different things. You've heard the
phrase "blue blood," right? Blue blood. We

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have blue lodge, basically. So, what does
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old money or these old wealthy families,
so-called blue blood. Blue blood,

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Unknown. That's the word they use for it. So,
blue blood means you have some blood relation

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to Jesus. The other thing that the Templars
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he wrote that book, which talks about the
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time. It means you have God-given power to
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to whether or not you could rule, obviously,
right? And those people, some of them, did

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in history. It was popular to claim all kinds
of stuff. So, another thing that the Templ...

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said to have guarded is the tree lineage of
who is actually the descendant of Jesus

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and Mary Magdalene or not. They guarded the
true descendants. Now, in my mind, it's

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so that the actual kings were pushed aside
and other rulers put into their place, whi...

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a similar to what's asserted with the whole
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third, like a bloodline. Well, and we've seen
that. The 13 bloodlines are supposed to be

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those same descendants. That's what they're
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descent and right to rule based on connection
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Now, if they're to replace that or change
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world, you know, would be very different,
right? If one falls that theory and believ...

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be monarchy and things like this. One can
imagine that fighting over this or trying ...

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King James and tried to overthrow a bunch of
other stuff. And, you know, in history,

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one of the funny things that I always get
with people who kind of don't believe that

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any modern conspiracies at foot is I always
think like, for hundreds of years, thousan...

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preposterously be trying to overthrow the
American government? You know, it just see...

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you had these years and years of people
plotting and then all of a sudden, oh,

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it's democracy. So I guess we don't have to
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It's a kind of a slip of mind, you know, to
think that there would be no one trying to

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I have not been active in masonry in the time
of Trump, so I don't, I don't know

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what some of my large brothers feel about. I
know a lot of the ones that I personally

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heavily, heavily Republican in personal life,
for whatever reason, they wanted to save

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that concerned about politics, you know, in
fact donating to both parties was extremel...

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They just donate all around. They donate to
whoever, whoever needs it, kind of. They'l...

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here, there, because they just want a seat at
the table. I think so many people, they're

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Democrat, Republican in a lot, we're all
brothers. I see, I see. Get it? Democrat,

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in a lot, we're all brothers. Get it? Go
ahead. Okay, so King Solomon and his ring ...

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Rings, I don't know much about. King Solomon,
definitely a very important figurehead kind

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of figure in Masonry. A lot of things that he
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based on in terms of layout. So for instance,
he, he built his temple using stones, whic...

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where his temple was built. So all the pieces
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fitted them together on the, on the site. So
this could be a metaphor for all kinds of

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Masons, to say the least, are big on
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they prepare people their whole life for the
role that they will step into. And Masonry,

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although I haven't seen this direct
connection, but I can certainly see how th...

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where you're preparing something in advance,
well in advance, before bringing it to the

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really long-term thinking. You're not on
about day-to-day politics. You're just not...

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What you want is a foundation. Even the word
foundation, like charity, may come from

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We never thought of that before. Oh my gosh.
That's nuts. So you see where I'm going.

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It's a, I'll tell you this, it's a different
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It's not the trivial thinking of most people,
certainly not under the effect of the

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so on, scandal and whatever. Use the other
person then, you know.

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like we're still gonna we're still gonna
mason mason gonna mason you know never min...

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get it done some of these people I think they
kind of botched it up in a way they kind o...

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oh my gosh I mean that just makes me think
about how many words and our language that...

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day that have this masonic influence we did
this whole thing on occult studies with the

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English words like s for example like how s
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even think about when they make a decision
with money they talk about as being in

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a masonic plan so there's definitely a logic
here there's a rhythm to how they give the...

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and interestingly it's not really questioned
again the use word hierarchy that's what t...

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it is masonry if anything is a fixed
hierarchy it's fixed in stone get it and w...

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masonry that the foundation of a building is
often laid in the northeast corner new yor...

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chang chun northeast to the cornerstone of
the united states is new york city is what

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couple hours you can keep dropping I know
maybe for another time way I'm like oh my

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just everything you're saying I'm just like
oh my gosh it's like it's and it's like th...

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questions we ask the more just information
starts coming out so it's very interesting...

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let us know what you're reading yeah you know
for next time you can kind of come in with

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extra information you know what I'm saying
absolutely there's a crazy story a friend ...

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actually he said that his sister she kind of
has like weird abilities she just walked i...

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started reading it he was telling me she has
these like weird abilities she can just do

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certain things out of nowhere someone
approached her and said to her you shouldn...

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watching you she just closed the book and
thought okay maybe I shouldn't be here aft...

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that there was what she saw was all these
crazy occult books but she said the person

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her was very pale and she said this person
was not human so I don't I mean that's why

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we're kind of saying that kind of reminded me
of the story so that's a freaking story it...

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freaking story this is a very close friend of
mine and I had no idea he even had these

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he's like yeah I got a lot of stories I'm
like oh my gosh this is crazy you know I

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have some kind of ability and they may
encounter something like this I guess it's

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seal their caves with super normal abilities
maybe libraries have rooms that are sealed

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super normal abilities I don't know some
people talking about walking into another

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Yeah I would just say to people like you know
just when you go about your day to day you

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just use compassion you know whereas Martin
the king might say brother leave love right

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this is really probably what originally this
stuff was was supposed to be about

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don't be too quick to judge people you know I
think a big mistake that people make now

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when watching news or anything is that that
the other side is totally evil or or

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know when when many people are just just
confused you know they may be just as

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very small number compared to the ones that
are kind of in the middle that are neither

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evil nor totally good and those people still
have a chance yeah it's been awesome to ha...

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and um I guess uh we'll have Joaquin back on
sometime definitely yeah all right I'm