1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,160 in february 1993 heavily armed federal agents raid a religious community outside waco texas 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:23,920 but those inside the branch davidians and their self-proclaimed messiah david koresh 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,720 somebody's going to get hurt won't go quietly they said they're going to fire at you they're 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:35,440 going to fight you're dealing with martyrs they were told to go get our guns out then it just took off 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:44,160 like hell on a tin roof in the bloody battle that follows bullets from both sides kill six 6 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:55,520 sect members and four federal agents what follows is a 51 day standoff the longest siege in american 7 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:05,840 history that ends in disaster i heard someone from upstairs call out he said light the fire 75 8 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:13,920 believers including 25 children die in the flames inquisition death murder killing 9 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:21,200 now 25 years later comes the inside story of the branch davidians and the captivating preacher 10 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,440 who recruited them from around the globe you need to come over and join us 11 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,760 literal food and spiritual food how local journalists and federal agents struggled 12 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:41,280 to unlock the sect's dark secrets he was sexually abusing adolescent girls there was polygamy going 13 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:48,720 home what eyewitnesses saw in the initial raid and the siege's deadly end game my jacket sleeves were 14 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:56,000 melting the skin was just rolling off my hands this is the story of an american tragedy that still 15 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:03,440 haunts everyone it touched we keep waiting for people to come out no way's coming out wow 16 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,200 why aren't they coming out when you hand your will over to someone like that 17 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,320 you create a monster 18 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,840 someone's the son of god 19 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:40,080 she'll be over here because it's 90s these are two of the survivors from the waco siege 20 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:48,560 sheila martin from north carolina and clive doyle from australia both lost family and friends in the 21 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:56,080 fire who is worthy to open this book and to lose the seals there are no man forget their names you 22 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:04,560 forget the times you passed them in the hallway and start with them in the in the meeting sheila 23 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:10,000 persuaded her family to travel halfway across america to join the branch davidians here in texas 24 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,960 while she was set free during the siege she chose to leave her four older children and her 25 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:24,400 husband behind in the compound all died in the fire and what god says god is to bring to pass that's what 26 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:33,760 prophecy is this is douglas martin my husband and his anita 27 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,800 there were four children my husband and um 28 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,080 the family that i had when i came here to texas is not even alive 29 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,520 so god has a reason for it so i have to trust him why 30 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:01,360 clive doyle a single father of two girls has been a loyal branch davidian for 50 years 31 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:09,280 he came to texas from australia in 1966 and is one of only nine people to escape the flames 32 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:15,920 but his 18 year old daughter sheree one of koresh's at least 15 wives died in the fire 33 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:23,920 i waited patiently on the lord he inclined to me when you heard my cry he brought me up out of a 34 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:33,120 horrible pit it's a tragedy that children didn't get to grow up and you know live their lives sort of 35 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:39,280 thing but uh as david used to say everything that's done is for judgment 36 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,600 they're edging closer all the time federal agents swooping low over the compound today 37 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,520 the branch davidians aren't the only ones still tormented by memories of the siege 38 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:05,680 it was a bad time for waco 51 days to release those children he chose those children to die 39 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,840 i mean you look back a quarter century and it's still bad 40 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:22,960 it's a story that begins in 1985 when a group of branch davidians an offshoot of the seventh day 41 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:31,520 adventist church comes here to a 40 acre encampment near the small town of palestine texas they're led 42 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:42,160 by a 25 year old self-proclaimed prophet vernon howell when god sends present truth it's to open up a way 43 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:48,000 of salvation for the righteous those who know that they're not living up to the past truths the sect 44 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,600 believes that the secrets of the second coming are contained in biblical prophecies and that vernon 45 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,520 howell alone can unlock them 46 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:05,600 god creates the way of salvation the plan of salvation and that no man by his own words has been 47 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,480 righteous but the life howell has created for his followers in palestine is primitive it had no 48 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:20,880 electricity it had no running water used to hold water in in a big tub behind a tractor 49 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,040 and we were just overwhelmed but we had we were truly out in the country 50 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:34,800 the spirit that was in him harmonized with the spirit that was within us 51 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:41,840 and it made an impression in some cases indelible impression in the minds of the ones that were 52 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:42,320 hearing it 53 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,520 it's a skill howell learned at an early age a mediocre student howell discovers a phenomenal 54 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:58,560 memory for scripture by his 20s he sees himself as a young prophet claiming to be able to interpret 55 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,080 key passages in the book of revelations which will explain how the world will end and how the 56 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:10,240 faithful will be saved this message brought with it evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt 57 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:17,040 that all the books of the bible do verily meet and in the revelation and the chosen will have howell 58 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:23,200 as their leader the self-proclaimed son of god who is now ready to send his message around the world 59 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:32,240 you need to come over and join us literal food and spiritual food say he started traveling if you 60 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:39,440 won't come to me i'll come to you sort of thing vernon howell embarks on an extraordinary international 61 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,400 recruitment drive 62 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,800 tapes of his sermons are distributed around the world one of those who hears them is derrick lovelock 63 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:56,720 from england you know it made you pay attention it made you sit up in your chair if you didn't pay 64 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,960 attention to that there must be something wrong because um it was fascinating 65 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,520 another who hears howell's sermons is 26 year old liz baronyai from australia 66 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:17,680 it was all exciting stuff and all of a sudden here was this young guy saying you know god had given 67 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:24,720 him a message liz is so entranced that in 1986 she travels 9 000 miles to texas 68 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,800 i could see there were problems in the world it's been a long time since christ said he was going to 69 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:40,080 come back and so maybe this was what the world needed another new recruit is mark bro who meets liz 70 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:46,320 through the sect he's a theology student from hawaii studying to become a seventh day adventist pastor 71 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:54,400 roe abandons his studies to move to texas and follow howell he will become howell's closest friend and 72 00:08:54,400 --> 00:09:02,480 ultimately his fiercest enemy we were able to share a lot of our struggles and our doubts and our feelings 73 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:09,600 together koresh was older than me so he was like an older brother so i actually admired him and wished i 74 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:22,880 could be more like him the pair used their common love of music to draw people to the branch davidian 75 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:31,360 message with missionary zeal koresh was a self-taught guitar player and he was very talented and he 76 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:38,000 believed that that the lord had inspired him to write some songs and that a band was going to be formed 77 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,960 and uh and that was going to be a large part of the ministry 78 00:09:51,680 --> 00:10:00,320 by 1988 the epicenter of that ministry has shifted away from the palestine wilderness to a larger 77 acre 79 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:07,760 site at mount carmel outside waco where howell reunifies the sect and constructs a new home for all the 80 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:15,920 branch davidians it's here in an act of supreme self-confidence howell renames himself david koresh 81 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:24,160 after the biblical king cyrus but liz is beginning to feel koresh's preaching is growing darker 82 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:33,920 i started to have a few questions when i could see david's message changing and i felt uncomfortable with 83 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:41,760 that and despite her deepening romantic relationship with mark she decides to leave the davidian community 84 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:50,720 before koresh's words turn into a violent reality had to be right all the time and you couldn't reason 85 00:10:50,720 --> 00:11:01,760 with him and that's that's very dangerous who is worthy to open this book and to lose the seals thereof 86 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:11,360 no man in 1988 koresh's goal is to turn this compound outside waco texas into a latter-day eden 87 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:20,240 sheila martin who brought her family from north carolina to live here among the 150 followers remembers 88 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:29,680 it well this is um the lake where many times they came over they swam and we used to run around in a 89 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:36,800 big circle every day lake was a big part of being here it was especially very beautiful the men would 90 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:44,800 come over and swim david just wanted people to know that god was here he was hoping that people would 91 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:52,080 come and be a part of this land but those outside the perimeter fence are starting to ask questions 92 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,040 the local newspaper the waco tribune herald is starting to hear rumors that the prophet 93 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:11,440 isn't all he seems we knew about him from probably 1987 1989 somewhere like in that they had a right 94 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:22,240 to believe and worship as they wanted but they were viewed as unusual and it's not just the paper the 95 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,800 local sheriff's office is also concerned first time i can remember hearing about 96 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:37,920 branch davidians was the child protective services had been given some information that they needed to 97 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:46,000 look into so we accompanied them out there and that's where i first had any inkling of our being around 98 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:55,360 david koresh the rumors are true by the mid-80s koresh has already married his first of many underage brides 99 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:04,400 a 14 year old girl named rachel jones the daughter of his supporter perry jones at a time when the legal 100 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:13,360 age of consent in texas is 17. the act is unquestioned by his devoted followers she was almost 15 and she 101 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,800 was a very tall girl very mature very um she was not at all like a child 102 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:27,760 just two years later koresh takes advantage of clive doyle's absence in australia to polygamously 103 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,320 marry his 14 year old daughter karen 104 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:36,000 in time he will also marry clive's other daughter sheree 105 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:46,240 you either come to grips with it accept it or you get upset and say i'm out of here 106 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:59,360 yeah i come to accept it imagine how rewarding it is to this guy who's out to control and manipulate 107 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:08,000 to not only be able to have access to the children sexually for whatever pleasure it may have given 108 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:19,200 him but also to know that he got parents to comply with this and allow him to do it and this feeds his 109 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:28,080 narcissism his sense that he really must be the messiah that he's that powerful that they give him their 110 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:35,760 children koresh starts sleeping with numerous underage girls often with the parents consent 111 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,240 raising the alarm for his closest friend mark bro 112 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:52,720 koresh had actually told me that he had been with a 12 year old girl and that was quite shocking 113 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,560 how's god gonna talk to me in the latter days he's gonna be ready and who's gonna bring that book 114 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,880 so there'll be no excuses 115 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:13,200 in 1989 koresh unveils an even more extreme approach to community life for the increasingly skeptical mark 116 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:19,280 it's a turning point koresh proclaimed that he had rights to all the women of the world 117 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,360 yeah that's when i realized okay this guy has has gone completely off off the rails 118 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,680 whispers about koresh's predatory sexual practice are starting to seep out of the compound 119 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:38,320 triggering the waco tribune herald to begin an in-depth investigation into the branch davidians 120 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:49,520 he was sexually abusing adolescent girls beating children there was polygamy going on we believe 121 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:56,800 that local authorities knew about it and had not put a stop to it and people have risen up empires 122 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,120 but inside the compound another troubling feature of life is starting to emerge 123 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:11,760 koresh's message is becoming more violent bloodshed inquisition death murder killing it's prophecy why 124 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:19,440 did the jews nail christ to the cross they didn't know the prophecy they were ignorant he interprets 125 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:25,360 prophecies from the book of revelations to show he will die in a violent battle with unbelievers 126 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,920 and that this will signal the end of the world christ comes forward takes the book and you are to 127 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:40,400 read it you are to become aware you as a person should know what is stated there he tells the 150 128 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:46,160 followers living at the compound that all those who die alongside him in this apocalypse will go to 129 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:54,000 heaven and as the message becomes more aggressive the davidians start to buy weapons and learn to fire them 130 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,960 you know as the as the guns became more prevalent and things like that and 131 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,320 the theology moved more toward war and the time of trouble we had to get tough 132 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:13,200 koresh starts to train the men in violent resistance people started taking target practice 133 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:21,680 one time he got us all to fire some handguns they sort of rated us all as you know from the best to 134 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:28,480 the least and i think i come second former teacher graham craddock is a new recruit from australia 135 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:35,680 david said things about to start happening we were going to get attacked we were to defend ourselves 136 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,040 lieutenant sheriff larry lynch begins to hear evidence of the davidians arms build up 137 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:51,120 there were had been a couple of calls about gunfire out there from some of the local residents 138 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,840 talking about sounded like automatic weapon fire the sheriff's office informs the federal bureau of 139 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:04,160 alcohol tobacco firearms and explosives the atf the indications were that they were selling 140 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:14,560 arms at gun shows and in stockpiling arms and ammunition in 1992 the atf starts a full-scale 141 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:24,000 investigation into alleged weapons violations surveillance was established at a an empty house 142 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:31,440 across the road from the davidian compound the thought was originally if they could establish that koresh 143 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:40,960 left the premises that possibly we could take him off away from the premises but the preparations don't go 144 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:49,760 unnoticed one of our guys is jogging around the fence and there's this bunch of guys like four guys 145 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,480 taking stuff into the house 146 00:18:52,480 --> 00:19:01,360 all they got is these long what looked like rifle cases we're being watched zombies 147 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:10,000 eight months into the atf operation the feds slip one of their own into the compound 148 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,400 undercover agent robert rodriguez has infiltrated the community as a true believer 149 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,240 i'm young as a king with the 150 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,240 money 151 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,440 but life in mount carmel has taken a sinister turn 152 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,640 when liz baron you eye returns to visit her fiancee mark bro after two years in her native australia 153 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:43,200 she's shocked at the change the bible studies went on and they had taken on a lot more violent themes 154 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:52,240 um apocalyptic themes nights they would show violent films like apocalypse now full metal jacket 155 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,440 And I just thought, something's gone wrong, terribly wrong, in the two years that I've been gone. 156 00:19:58,420 --> 00:20:00,780 This isn't the way it was supposed to be. 157 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:07,000 Now, you had guards at the gate, and you needed permission to go into town. 158 00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:11,100 Every part of Davidian life is now controlled by the prophet. 159 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:15,200 By now, Mark Brough has determined to leave. 160 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Koresh would look at the phone bill and then would ask people, 161 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,900 why are you calling this person, or why are you calling this person? 162 00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:29,460 Love and caring for other people is getting less and less in this group now. 163 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,740 We're starting to be more like a Gestapo, watching each other and saying, 164 00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:35,920 oh, this person did the wrong thing. 165 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,200 So Mark Brough and Liz Baranyai defect from the group and get married. 166 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,680 From now on, they become David Koresh's enemies. 167 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Within months, they are aiding investigators looking into Davidian crimes. 168 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:58,860 By February 1993, the ATF has amassed clear evidence that the Davidians have illegal arms. 169 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,400 Their intention is to grab Koresh with little fanfare when he is outside the compound. 170 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:09,840 Unable to do so, they start planning a raid. 171 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:13,320 In agency shorthand, dynamic entry. 172 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,560 They asked me, you know, what would happen if we raided the place. 173 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,920 And I said, you don't want to do that. 174 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:20,100 You're going to have a firefight. 175 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:21,840 These guys are expecting Armageddon. 176 00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:29,140 But Mark's advice is not heeded. 177 00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:35,620 And by February 1993, the ATF is preparing to raid the Mount Carmel compound 178 00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:39,180 on suspicions of weapons violations and child abuse. 179 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,860 There are 124 Davidians inside with their leader, David Koresh, 180 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:49,460 including 34 children and over 200 guns. 181 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:54,740 We knew there were a large number of people in this compound, 182 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:58,200 that there were women and children there, 183 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:05,220 and that there were large volumes of firearms and explosives at this compound. 184 00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:14,200 Under these conditions, the feds have decided that a surprise raid is the best way to grab Koresh. 185 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,740 But they're concerned that the Waco Tribune Herald's ongoing investigation 186 00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:21,540 will tip off the Davidians that a raid is coming. 187 00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:27,500 The newspaper has been ready with the bulk of its material since the end of 1992. 188 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:32,840 But it's still asking probing questions about the ATF's surveillance operation. 189 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,720 They had contacted the Houston Field Division, not once, but several times, 190 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:42,780 attempting to get information on what ATF was doing. 191 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,300 The agency is worried that any publicity will forewarn the Davidians to be on guard. 192 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:55,580 We had requested the Waco paper not to publish anything, 193 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:01,160 not to alert the Davidians that an investigation was in progress. 194 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,560 We met at the newspaper with the commander of the raid. 195 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,600 One of us asked him, 196 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:16,580 give us one good reason why our publication will harm what you're doing. 197 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,260 And he could not do that. 198 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,080 He seemed angry when he left the meeting. 199 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:26,080 When the newspaper publishes the first of its series, 200 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,980 The Sinful Messiah, on February 27, 1993, 201 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:33,740 there's no mention of the approaching ATF operation. 202 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,960 It does claim that Koresh keeps an arsenal of military assault rifles, 203 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,580 that he boasted of having sex with underage girls, 204 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,740 that he abuses children and has at least 15 wives. 205 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,360 When the paper came out, David said, 206 00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:54,320 get out there, just do things, walk around and play ball, 207 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,740 just let them see that we're just normal people like they are, 208 00:23:56,740 --> 00:23:58,660 that we aren't any different. 209 00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:03,040 A day later, on the morning of Sunday, February 28, 210 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:07,060 the ATF prepares its dynamic entry to the compound. 211 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,300 Lieutenant Larry Lynch stands by to assist. 212 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:14,740 At the staging area, when I arrived, 213 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440 Sunday morning, early 7 o'clock, I guess it was, 214 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,320 the men that were on the raid teams were suiting up, 215 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:24,900 getting ready, getting their final information. 216 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,240 The atmosphere was one of, you know, let's be ready. 217 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,080 The raid's success relies on the element of surprise. 218 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,460 But surprise is the first casualty of Waco. 219 00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:44,240 A cameraman looking for the Mount Carmel compound 220 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,080 asks a mailman for directions. 221 00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:50,880 And the mailman wants to know why they're going there. 222 00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:54,460 Being a good citizen, 223 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:57,900 the guy said, don't go down that way. 224 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,020 Something may happen there. 225 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,320 Turns out that the mailman was a defendant. 226 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,880 The mailman is David Jones, 227 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,120 one of Koresh's senior lieutenants. 228 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,520 So he makes a phone call from there back to Mount Carmel 229 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,240 to say that the press said there's some kind of raid 230 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,620 going to go down today, 231 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,260 and they're there to cover the story. 232 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:25,180 Inside the compound, 233 00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:28,480 ATF undercover agent Rodriguez is with Koresh 234 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,140 when the Davidians learn the news 235 00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:31,480 the feds are on their way, 236 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:34,780 information that might abort the operation. 237 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,220 So David goes back out and says, 238 00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:40,460 well, Robert, I guess they're coming. 239 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:45,240 Robert called the overall operational commander 240 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,120 and said, he knows we're coming. 241 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:53,660 How does he know? 242 00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:55,720 I don't know. 243 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,880 So the decision to go 244 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,240 was made 245 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,860 by that operational commander 246 00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:06,580 standing under the turning blades 247 00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:07,720 of that helicopter. 248 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,440 Momentum. 249 00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:14,940 Momentum was our enemy. 250 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:19,820 Knowing that a raid is imminent, 251 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,060 Koresh issues the call to arms. 252 00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:25,540 We were then told that we were about to get raided. 253 00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:29,260 And we were told to go get our guns out. 254 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,280 The gun I had was an AR-15. 255 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,860 It was an assault rifle. 256 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,780 High-powered assault rifle. 257 00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:44,540 Waco Tribune-Herald photographer Rod Adelot 258 00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:46,400 pulls up just outside the perimeter 259 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,120 looking for the ATF. 260 00:26:50,180 --> 00:26:52,260 The ATF was driving down the road. 261 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,540 So we thought, well, maybe that's them. 262 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,400 So we stopped 263 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,420 and got out of the cars 264 00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:00,200 and watched two cattle trailers pull up. 265 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,100 His photographs are the only record 266 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,840 of the first seconds of the raid. 267 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,120 He has never spoken about them 268 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,180 on camera before. 269 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:10,740 All of a sudden, 270 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,100 it got crazy 271 00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:14,100 with the agents piling out of the bag 272 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,000 and then the shooting started. 273 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,920 We had to get in the ditch 274 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,100 because we were taking fire. 275 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:22,580 Peter Mastin 276 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:24,100 is the commander of the force 277 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,140 in the second trailer. 278 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,660 We pulled up 279 00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:28,260 and stopped at our assigned location 280 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:32,740 and out of the trailer we came. 281 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:37,040 I heard the agents 282 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,100 at the front door 283 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:39,660 yell federal agent 284 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:41,040 with a warrant 285 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,020 and then the gunfire started. 286 00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:52,240 there were a couple of shots fired. 287 00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:54,740 It was like pop, pop. 288 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,000 Then just, 289 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:57,620 it just took off 290 00:27:57,620 --> 00:28:01,000 like a hail on a tin roof. 291 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:01,940 We just got out 292 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:02,740 and started shooting. 293 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,760 So we defended ourselves 294 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,440 and shot back. 295 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,160 In the heat of the moment, 296 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,440 each side claims 297 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,700 the other shoots first. 298 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,420 I watched our guys 299 00:28:13,420 --> 00:28:15,160 take the roof. 300 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,120 Within seconds, 301 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,240 the battle is on. 302 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,460 Then the gunfire started 303 00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:23,400 on our guys on the roof. 304 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:25,900 As planned, 305 00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:27,420 three ATF agents 306 00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:29,280 enter the strategically important 307 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,100 weapons room. 308 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:31,440 Bill Buford 309 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,720 and Keith Constantino 310 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,380 and Glenn Jordan 311 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,620 enter the arms room. 312 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,860 A lot of fire 313 00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:40,780 becomes apparent 314 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:41,900 because they're engaging 315 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:43,460 a guy with an AK-47. 316 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,940 Another of the agents 317 00:28:45,940 --> 00:28:47,520 under Peter Mastin's command, 318 00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:48,580 David Millen, 319 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,020 attempts to follow them. 320 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,220 All of a sudden, 321 00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:52,060 rounds come, 322 00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:53,480 begin to come through the walls. 323 00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:57,480 One looks like it hits him. 324 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,060 He goes down on the roof 325 00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:02,320 and then a shotgun blast 326 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,640 comes up through 327 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,620 from the chapel itself 328 00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:07,260 right in front of his face. 329 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,280 He gets back on the ladder 330 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,680 and slides down the ladder. 331 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:13,780 Sheila Martin is trapped 332 00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:14,740 on the second floor 333 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:16,500 with her 10-year-old son, Jamie. 334 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:17,860 And my little son 335 00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:18,500 that was over 336 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:19,400 in front of the window, 337 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,160 he was screaming. 338 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,300 And by the time I turned 339 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,800 to look to get my little boy, 340 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,500 all these shots 341 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,840 came in. 342 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,120 Both sides hunker down 343 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,840 for a fight. 344 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,240 Hello? 345 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,360 Hello? 346 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,120 Hello? 347 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,480 Yeah, this is Lieutenant Lynch. 348 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:35,880 May I help you? 349 00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:37,880 At 948, 350 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,080 Lieutenant Larry Lynch 351 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,860 picks up the first emergency call 352 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:41,680 about the raid. 353 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,520 There's 75 men around our building 354 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,500 and they're shooting at us 355 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:46,320 in Mount Carmel. 356 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,280 Mount Carmel? 357 00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:47,620 Yeah. 358 00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:49,860 It's Sheila Martin's husband, 359 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,260 Wayne, 360 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:51,720 who becomes one of the main 361 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,920 Davidian contacts. 362 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,320 Tell them there are children 363 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,200 and women in here 364 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,160 and to call it off! 365 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,580 And it was Wayne Martin 366 00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:58,180 calling in, 367 00:29:58,340 --> 00:29:59,040 hollering about. 368 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:00,920 Tell them to get back. 369 00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:02,100 There's women and children. 370 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,100 There's shots being fired. 371 00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:04,420 Hello? 372 00:30:06,420 --> 00:30:07,580 I hear a gunfire. 373 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,500 Oh, shit. 374 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:09,420 Hello? 375 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,480 The bell's back up! 376 00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:12,280 We're going to have 377 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,380 to swing them off! 378 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,700 Just remain time. 379 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,340 We're going to get it 380 00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:16,120 worked out, okay? 381 00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:18,240 That's when we started 382 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,120 trying to raise 383 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,860 ATF's radio van, 384 00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:22,940 which was supposed 385 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:24,040 to be my contact. 386 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,020 Tell him to get him 387 00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:25,600 to call you 388 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,720 and tell him I'm down here 389 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,800 and that I've got 390 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,360 an open line 391 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,080 into the compound. 392 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,060 The gun battle rages 393 00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:35,400 for two and a half hours. 394 00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:36,620 Inside, 395 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,880 David Koresh himself 396 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,960 is shot in the wrist 397 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,660 and the hip. 398 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,100 But even in the heat 399 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:41,580 of battle, 400 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,080 he's in total control. 401 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:44,800 We had crawled 402 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,220 to the wall 403 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,360 and knocked on the wall 404 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,180 and asked, 405 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,840 what should we do now? 406 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,100 Somebody had crawled 407 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:52,980 down on the floor 408 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:53,860 and had said that 409 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:54,640 David said for us 410 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,500 to not be afraid. 411 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,280 God will take care 412 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,920 of everything. 413 00:30:58,460 --> 00:30:59,360 Six Davidians 414 00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:59,860 are killed 415 00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:00,520 and several 416 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,500 are badly injured. 417 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,560 Perry Jones, 418 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,660 they shot him 419 00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:04,060 in the stomach 420 00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:04,840 three times 421 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,140 and in the arm 422 00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:07,280 and he bled to death. 423 00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:08,860 And Winston Blake, 424 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,720 my roommate, 425 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:11,100 he would see 426 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,040 the single gunshot 427 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,760 wound to his head 428 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,620 and his brain 429 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:14,220 was exposed. 430 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:15,480 But the Davidians 431 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,480 won't surrender. 432 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,800 After nearly three hours 433 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,340 of shooting, 434 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,720 the warring factions 435 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,860 agree to a nervous 436 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:22,520 ceasefire. 437 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,280 the deal 438 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,040 was to stop 439 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,300 the battle 440 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:26,240 as quickly 441 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,920 as possible 442 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,960 and to tend 443 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,520 to anyone 444 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,520 that was injured 445 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,900 during the battle. 446 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,520 You heard everywhere, 447 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,300 ceasefire, 448 00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:36,920 ceasefire. 449 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,200 Photographer Rod 450 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,780 ate a lot 451 00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:41,720 and a TV news 452 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,180 cameraman 453 00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:43,020 finally feel 454 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:43,580 safe enough 455 00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:44,140 to abandon 456 00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:44,780 their ditch 457 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:46,200 only to find 458 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:46,640 themselves 459 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,240 the targets 460 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,780 of anger 461 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:48,740 from the feds. 462 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:49,640 Get that camera 463 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,300 out of here! 464 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,300 Get out of here! 465 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,440 Get out of here! 466 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:54,060 I was trying 467 00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:54,900 to keep my distance. 468 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,520 I wasn't sure 469 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:55,920 what they were 470 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,720 going to do with us. 471 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:57,480 They had a lot 472 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:57,820 of injured. 473 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,840 It wasn't a good scene. 474 00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:03,700 There was 475 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,580 helicopters flying in 476 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:06,540 taking the injuries out. 477 00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:09,200 There was 478 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,920 some ambulance 479 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,960 but we didn't linger. 480 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,220 The agents 481 00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:12,720 who attacked 482 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,480 the arms room 483 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,000 are among 484 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,680 16 ATF personnel 485 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,980 wounded in the raid. 486 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,520 four agents 487 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,060 die. 488 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,600 The raid 489 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,540 has failed. 490 00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:23,800 The ATF 491 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,480 all got up 492 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,320 and started 493 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,160 to walk away. 494 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,740 That was the first 495 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:29,360 time I actually 496 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,980 saw them. 497 00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:31,640 I thought, 498 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:32,580 oh my God. 499 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:33,880 Like, 500 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,160 dozens and dozens 501 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:35,560 of them. 502 00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:38,300 The feeling 503 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:38,940 I had 504 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:39,880 was, 505 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,380 oh boy, 506 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,300 they're going 507 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:42,460 to want 508 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:43,280 revenge. 509 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,720 but the operation 510 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,900 is now facing 511 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,060 a new reality. 512 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:00,840 As the ATF 513 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,580 teams remove 514 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:02,340 their casualties, 515 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,420 the FBI 516 00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:04,540 takes over command 517 00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:05,500 of what's now 518 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:06,620 deemed a siege. 519 00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:08,800 Their chief negotiator, 520 00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:09,660 Byron Sage, 521 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,680 makes his first 522 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,980 contact with Koresh. 523 00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:13,620 When I first 524 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:14,360 started talking 525 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:14,840 to David, 526 00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:15,380 I introduced 527 00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:16,080 myself, 528 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,120 and I said, 529 00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:17,940 but what do you 530 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:18,960 want me to call you? 531 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:20,100 Koresh, 532 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:20,760 Koresh, 533 00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:21,240 how do you 534 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:21,800 pronounce that 535 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,420 last name? 536 00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:24,960 And very calmly, 537 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,680 he just said, 538 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,460 Agent Sage, 539 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:31,160 have you ever 540 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,940 heard a person 541 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:32,420 die? 542 00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:34,720 And I said, 543 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:35,320 yes, 544 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:35,880 I have. 545 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,340 And David said, 546 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,500 it's like that 547 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,200 last breath. 548 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,000 It's, 549 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,320 it's Koresh. 550 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:47,580 I looked over 551 00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:48,420 at Larry like, 552 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:48,860 man, 553 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,460 we are in 554 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:50,200 for a ride. 555 00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:53,440 There are now 556 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,940 118 Davidians. 557 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,280 inside Mount Carmel. 558 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:57,660 The community 559 00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:58,940 has stockpiled food 560 00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:59,800 and has its own 561 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,640 water supply. 562 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,500 Sheila Martin 563 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,300 digs in 564 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,080 with her seven 565 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,540 children. 566 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,000 We were willing 567 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,560 and ready 568 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,300 to stay 569 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:09,440 for there 570 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,820 as long 571 00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:10,420 as we had to. 572 00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:11,420 David had not 573 00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:12,320 told us to leave. 574 00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:13,740 We still had 575 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:14,180 the guns. 576 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:15,540 We weren't 577 00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:16,920 afraid anymore, 578 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:17,500 I don't think. 579 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,640 The FBI's 580 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,660 negotiating team 581 00:34:20,660 --> 00:34:21,580 begins a process 582 00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:22,120 of talking 583 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,280 to key Davidians 584 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,160 that will last 585 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,260 throughout the siege. 586 00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:26,920 They work out 587 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,420 the release 588 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:27,980 of four 589 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:28,640 of the youngest 590 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,160 children. 591 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,240 The federal agent 592 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:32,980 is placing 593 00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:33,880 the infant 594 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,580 in the front seat 595 00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:35,240 of his automobile. 596 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,300 It's unclear 597 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:37,000 at this point 598 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,700 where these children 599 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:38,640 are going to be taken. 600 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,020 Then, 601 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,940 Koresh makes 602 00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:42,140 a surprising offer. 603 00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:44,500 David finally 604 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,500 suggests 605 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,320 on, I believe, 606 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:48,020 it was the second 607 00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:48,480 day 608 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680 that if we would 609 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,420 facilitate 610 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:52,300 playing 611 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,260 a 58-minute 612 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:55,200 sermon 613 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,900 that he had 614 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:56,420 recorded, 615 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:57,640 that, 616 00:34:57,860 --> 00:34:59,240 in his words, 617 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:00,380 that he 618 00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:01,260 and all of his 619 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:01,760 followers 620 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,300 would come out. 621 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,440 My name is 622 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,340 Dave Koresh. 623 00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:08,680 I'm speaking to you 624 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,700 from Mount Carmel Center. 625 00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:11,600 On the siege's 626 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,280 third day, 627 00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:13,720 the FBI arranges 628 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:14,380 for the sermon 629 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:15,040 to be played 630 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,800 on a Christian radio station. 631 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,280 What we're trying 632 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,340 to present today 633 00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:20,400 may, 634 00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:21,260 in some ways, 635 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,400 shed a better light 636 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,940 in regards 637 00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:25,920 to my situation 638 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,720 and my predicament 639 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:28,740 here at Mount Carmel. 640 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,540 But Koresh 641 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:32,420 doesn't surrender. 642 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,180 He prays, 643 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,480 waiting for God 644 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,580 to give the word. 645 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,420 And the negotiator's 646 00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:39,580 frustration mounts. 647 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,740 This is why he said, 648 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,980 be aware of 649 00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:44,400 who you're dealing with. 650 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,680 When does he plan 651 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,060 to come out? 652 00:35:46,460 --> 00:35:47,040 He said, 653 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,100 his God says 654 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:49,420 that he is to wait. 655 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:51,540 He said, 656 00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:52,060 wait? 657 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,960 You just told 658 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,860 the whole world 659 00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:56,200 that as soon 660 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,100 as it's completed, 661 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,640 you and all your followers 662 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,500 would come out. 663 00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:00,980 How do you negotiate 664 00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:01,860 with somebody 665 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,400 that claims 666 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,940 that he's getting 667 00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:05,860 his authorization 668 00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:07,240 from God Almighty? 669 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:09,780 To his followers, 670 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,160 Koresh's prophecies 671 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,120 of a last battle 672 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,100 between the godly 673 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,140 and the unbelievers 674 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:15,680 seem to be playing out. 675 00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:19,320 All of a sudden, 676 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,900 David's prophecies 677 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:21,980 are coming to bear. 678 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:22,440 You know, 679 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,320 he talked about 680 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,060 the authorities 681 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:26,000 coming to get him. 682 00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:27,420 That was happening. 683 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,300 They were surrounded 684 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:30,000 the place. 685 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:30,940 That was happening. 686 00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:33,440 With Koresh's control 687 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,420 over his followers 688 00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:35,320 stronger than ever, 689 00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:37,120 the FBI asks 690 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,380 forensic psychiatrist 691 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:39,560 Dr. Park Dietz 692 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,260 to profile 693 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:41,060 the cult leader. 694 00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:43,320 One of the questions 695 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,540 I was asked was, 696 00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:45,120 what's wrong 697 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,780 with this guy? 698 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:48,840 There was concern 699 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,620 about whether 700 00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:50,440 David Koresh 701 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,760 was a mentally ill person 702 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,520 or just a manipulative, 703 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,440 cunning psychopath. 704 00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,200 And one of my roles 705 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,940 was to tell them 706 00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:58,820 he might be both. 707 00:36:59,140 --> 00:36:59,740 So how's God 708 00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:00,420 going to talk to me 709 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:01,060 in the latter days? 710 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:01,780 He's going to be ready. 711 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:02,660 And who's going 712 00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:03,520 to bring that book? 713 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:04,760 So there'll be 714 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,660 no excuses. 715 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,900 They were required 716 00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:08,900 to sit up 717 00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:10,440 for sermons 718 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,820 that lasted for hours. 719 00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:12,720 He put also 720 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,160 a new song in my heart. 721 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,420 Many shall see it 722 00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:16,160 and fear 723 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,300 and trust 724 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:18,160 in the name of the Lord. 725 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:19,260 If you started 726 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:19,900 to doze off, 727 00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:20,260 he'd be able 728 00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:20,940 to be punching you. 729 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,680 And a child 730 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,260 would act up. 731 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:22,900 He'd go over there 732 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:23,900 and correct that child. 733 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:24,820 Nobody could go 734 00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:25,440 to the bathroom. 735 00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:26,580 This is what 736 00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:27,520 they were talking about, 737 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:28,220 his control. 738 00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:29,680 All I care about 739 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,580 when I judge men 740 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:31,280 is one thing. 741 00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:33,120 Do you want to know 742 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,260 the seven seams? 743 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:37,860 From the day 744 00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:38,900 after the raid, 745 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:40,120 the world's media 746 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,180 begins to descend 747 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:41,880 on Waco, 748 00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:43,920 establishing a satellite city 749 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,720 two miles 750 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,600 from the compound. 751 00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:48,220 Koresh is now 752 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:48,820 a globally 753 00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:50,080 recognized face 754 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,980 and tries to exploit it 755 00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:52,860 with a calculated 756 00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:53,820 PR offensive. 757 00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:56,940 He now releases 758 00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:58,400 17 more children, 759 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,200 including Sheila Martin's 760 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,000 three youngest. 761 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,100 Eight days in, 762 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:04,140 he starts to film 763 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:05,260 the remaining believers 764 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:06,780 to show the outside world 765 00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:07,980 how happy they are. 766 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,320 David said 767 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,960 he needed 768 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,160 the people 769 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,800 to see 770 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,420 who was inside, 771 00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:15,460 what kind of people 772 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:16,200 were inside 773 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,900 this building. 774 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:18,740 I want to leave 775 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:19,900 when God says go, 776 00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:20,880 but no, 777 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,680 I don't want to go out 778 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,280 there on my own 779 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:22,900 without David. 780 00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:24,200 I'm here because 781 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,560 I wanted to be here. 782 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,620 There were people 783 00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:28,460 who were just 784 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:29,120 explaining 785 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,960 that they were there 786 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,580 for themselves, 787 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,500 not because David 788 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:32,660 was making them stay. 789 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,780 More than two weeks 790 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:37,820 into the standoff, 791 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:39,040 the siege enters 792 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,340 uncharted territory. 793 00:38:40,340 --> 00:38:43,140 The FBI negotiators 794 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:44,560 led by Byron Sage 795 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,200 are holding 796 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,500 face-to-face meetings 797 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:47,700 in no man's land 798 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:48,860 with the Davidians. 799 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,100 But there's a rift 800 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:53,020 growing between 801 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:54,400 the negotiating team 802 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,400 and the armed 803 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,460 tactical teams 804 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:57,340 who prefer 805 00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:58,760 a more forceful approach. 806 00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:00,860 We started getting 807 00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:02,120 some rumblings, 808 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,260 we in the, 809 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:04,340 in the negotiation 810 00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:05,920 element, 811 00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:08,140 that there was 812 00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:10,800 some frustration 813 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,540 being expressed 814 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:14,600 by the tactical 815 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,620 side of the shop. 816 00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:18,040 The tactical troops 817 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,780 went out. 818 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:21,300 So we're in the chapel 819 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:22,020 and all of a sudden 820 00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:23,200 the building starts 821 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,360 shaking like an earthquake 822 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,020 and I look out 823 00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:29,220 and way across the field 824 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:30,300 about a half a mile away 825 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,860 a big convoy 826 00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:33,720 of big trucks 827 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,080 with trailers on the back 828 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,820 with tanks up 829 00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:36,440 on the trailer. 830 00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:38,620 And I'm thinking, 831 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:40,440 man, alive. 832 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,120 And Koresh's own resistance 833 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,640 is hardening as well. 834 00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:48,220 I'm the kind of guy 835 00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:49,540 that I'll stand 836 00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:50,480 in front of a tank, 837 00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:51,840 you can run over me, 838 00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:53,560 but I'll be biting 839 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,380 one of the tracks. 840 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,420 No one's going to hurt 841 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:56,360 me or my family. 842 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,680 That's American policy here. 843 00:39:59,780 --> 00:40:01,640 The FBI's hardliners 844 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,100 are now raising the stakes. 845 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,640 First, they cut the power 846 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,780 and telephone lines 847 00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:07,580 to the compound. 848 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:10,280 Then, three weeks in, 849 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,800 the feds begin blaring 850 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,040 a deafening soundtrack 851 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,600 and drench the compound 852 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,460 in floodlights. 853 00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:18,500 Put searchlight on us 854 00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,760 and play the sound of rabbits 855 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,720 being slaughtered, 856 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,940 Tibetan monks chanting 857 00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:26,060 and stuff like that, 858 00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:27,020 and searchlights on us 859 00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:29,800 through the night. 860 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,420 They're warfare tactics 861 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:33,160 on civilians. 862 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,620 On day 22 of the siege, 863 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,280 Koresh decides to release 864 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:38,980 Sheila Martin 865 00:40:38,980 --> 00:40:40,180 and six other women, 866 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,120 who will act as spokespeople 867 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,180 on the outside. 868 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,420 They're immediately arrested. 869 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,500 Though she wavers, 870 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:48,960 Sheila leaves her husband 871 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,380 and four older children 872 00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:52,680 inside with the remaining Davidians. 873 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,480 David wanted people 874 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,660 to get ready to leave, 875 00:40:57,740 --> 00:40:59,380 to go into jail, 876 00:40:59,380 --> 00:41:01,980 to stand up for faith. 877 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:03,040 At some point, 878 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,200 I wanted to stay 879 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,240 because I thought 880 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:06,380 all those people 881 00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:06,920 would be coming 882 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,760 and I wanted to have 883 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,840 the experience with them. 884 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,880 Day by day, 885 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,900 the siege drags on. 886 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:19,240 By day 49, 887 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,660 newly installed 888 00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,140 Attorney General Janet Reno, 889 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:23,640 acting on the belief 890 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:24,840 that the Davidian children 891 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,080 are at grave risk, 892 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:27,760 gives the green light 893 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,720 for a final tear gas assault 894 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,160 to break the siege. 895 00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:33,180 But David Koresh 896 00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:35,100 is not looking for a way out. 897 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:36,940 David took the point of view 898 00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:38,580 that this was a religious stand. 899 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:40,780 He always taught that, 900 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:42,080 you know, 901 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,380 that we weren't perfect people 902 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:47,860 and although God's going to save us, 903 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,760 he's not going to leave us 904 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,180 altogether unpunished. 905 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:58,640 Events are moving towards a crisis. 906 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,440 By April 19, 1993, 907 00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:02,960 the dramatic siege 908 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,640 reaches its 51st day, 909 00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:07,380 making it the longest standoff 910 00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:08,460 in American history. 911 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:12,880 The FBI has run out of patience. 912 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,520 Believing the remaining 25 children 913 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,720 inside the compound 914 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:17,660 may be in danger, 915 00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:19,880 they decide it's time to act. 916 00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:21,860 First and foremost, 917 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:23,600 this siege is over. 918 00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:25,180 You're under arrest. 919 00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:28,700 The FBI has rigged these tanks 920 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:29,520 with a canister 921 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,840 that will spray tear gas 922 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,720 into the compound, 923 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,480 a tactic meant to force 924 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,500 the Davidians outside. 925 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,720 instead, 926 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,660 it hardens their resolve 927 00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:39,580 and seals their fate. 928 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,700 Clive Doyle 929 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:45,020 and his younger daughter Cherie, 930 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:46,940 one of Koresh's numerous wives, 931 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,220 are both inside 932 00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:50,060 when the gas overtakes them. 933 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,860 The reaction on the inside 934 00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:55,440 was that people were scrambling, 935 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,800 looking for gas masks. 936 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,880 We had some, 937 00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:59,900 but not enough for everybody. 938 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,320 The gas, 939 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,500 if it got on you, 940 00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:05,240 it just burned like battery acid. 941 00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:08,740 But after three hours of tear gas, 942 00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:10,020 no one surrenders, 943 00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:11,880 and the tension builds. 944 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,340 It's time for this to be over. 945 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,160 The decision is yours. 946 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,200 The FBI doesn't realize 947 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,900 their actions may be playing 948 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:22,120 right into the Davidians' 949 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,400 apocalyptic vision. 950 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,460 They had mattresses 951 00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:29,700 and everything stacked up 952 00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:30,620 against the windows 953 00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:32,340 and hay bales, 954 00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:32,740 which, 955 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,120 first time we'd seen hay bales, 956 00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:37,420 that should have kind of 957 00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:38,880 raised a flag. 958 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,200 But former Davidian Mark Brough, 959 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,000 watching the siege on TV 960 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,320 from his home in Australia, 961 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,340 tried to warn the feds. 962 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,780 So you're dealing with martyrs. 963 00:43:50,260 --> 00:43:51,260 This is the prophecy 964 00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:53,260 they're living through right now. 965 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,900 And if you go there, 966 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,260 the whole place is going to go up. 967 00:43:57,340 --> 00:43:59,180 We are prepared to 968 00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:02,000 distribute a significant 969 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,960 increase in the amount of tear gas 970 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,540 into your building right now. 971 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:11,260 By midday, 972 00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:13,260 events reach a crisis. 973 00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:15,620 The evidence suggests 974 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:16,720 that the Davidians, 975 00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:18,540 perhaps under Koresh's orders, 976 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:20,240 decide it's time 977 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:21,460 to fulfill the prophecy 978 00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:23,060 with a final act 979 00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:23,960 of martyrdom. 980 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,600 I looked over 981 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,400 the other side 982 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,060 of the chapel 983 00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:32,620 we were at 984 00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:35,440 and I saw someone 985 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,100 pouring fuel, 986 00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:37,540 it looked like, 987 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,140 on the floor. 988 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,600 Before I left, 989 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,100 I heard someone 990 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,980 from upstairs 991 00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:48,100 call out, 992 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:48,420 he said, 993 00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:49,320 light the fire. 994 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,420 Heat analysis 995 00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:54,440 will later show 996 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,520 the fire starting 997 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,540 simultaneously 998 00:44:56,540 --> 00:44:58,260 in three different parts 999 00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:58,820 of the building. 1000 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,640 While some inside 1001 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,880 may be ready to die 1002 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,340 and others desperate 1003 00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:03,960 to live, 1004 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,980 time is running out 1005 00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:07,040 for the Davidians. 1006 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,220 all of a sudden 1007 00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:10,020 this smoke comes 1008 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:10,760 down the outside 1009 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,380 of the building 1010 00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:12,140 from the front 1011 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:13,420 toward the back 1012 00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:14,760 and as it got 1013 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,280 to the hole 1014 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:15,840 we were looking 1015 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,300 out of it, 1016 00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:17,500 it kind of got sucked 1017 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:18,960 in and everything 1018 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,740 turned black. 1019 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,360 In the high wind, 1020 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,420 the ramshackle 1021 00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:24,260 wooden compound 1022 00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:25,400 burns like paper. 1023 00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:27,460 The feds broadcast 1024 00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:29,180 appeals for the Davidians 1025 00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:29,880 to surrender. 1026 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,220 I can remember 1027 00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:31,580 saying, 1028 00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:32,000 David, 1029 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:34,480 don't end it this way. 1030 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:35,840 You know, 1031 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:37,720 you profess to be 1032 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:38,680 a savior, 1033 00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:39,840 save those people, 1034 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,060 lead them out. 1035 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,140 I felt this heat 1036 00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:46,220 up above the ceiling. 1037 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,660 It got so intense 1038 00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:51,720 that it kind of 1039 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:52,520 forced me down 1040 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,080 on the ground. 1041 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:55,560 My prayer 1042 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,440 while I was rolling 1043 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,260 around on the floor 1044 00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:57,500 was, 1045 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:57,820 God, 1046 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,240 if you're going 1047 00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:58,900 to do a miracle, 1048 00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,660 you better do it 1049 00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:00,120 fast. 1050 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:02,920 Clive Doyle 1051 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,940 and Derek Lovelock 1052 00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:04,520 are stranded 1053 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,200 in the chapel 1054 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,340 when one of the tanks 1055 00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:07,480 breaks through the wall, 1056 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,580 creating a way 1057 00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:09,260 out for them. 1058 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,600 And look at the 1059 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,920 people screaming 1060 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,800 and the flames 1061 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,460 are reaching them. 1062 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,880 And so we run out now. 1063 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:20,720 They had guns training 1064 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:21,260 and they told us 1065 00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:21,760 to put our hands 1066 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,160 in the air 1067 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,100 and walk towards them. 1068 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,340 My jacket's 1069 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:27,200 sleeves were melting. 1070 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:28,520 The skin was just 1071 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,860 rolling off my hands. 1072 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,300 I jumped out 1073 00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:32,140 and I'm standing there. 1074 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:32,740 I look back 1075 00:46:32,740 --> 00:46:33,220 at the hole 1076 00:46:33,220 --> 00:46:33,740 and it's just 1077 00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:34,740 a mass of flames. 1078 00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:37,340 And I thought 1079 00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:37,860 to myself, 1080 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,160 I'm the only one 1081 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,560 that's made it out. 1082 00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:42,380 There's nobody 1083 00:46:42,380 --> 00:46:43,140 coming out of there 1084 00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:43,840 now by the look 1085 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,200 a lot. 1086 00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:46,680 Clive's own daughter, 1087 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,240 Cherie, 1088 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,340 one of Koresh's 1089 00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:49,300 multiple wives, 1090 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,640 is still inside. 1091 00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:53,400 Sheila Martin 1092 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,720 watches the inferno 1093 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:55,860 from the detention center 1094 00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:56,960 where she's being held, 1095 00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:59,240 hoping her four 1096 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:00,180 remaining children 1097 00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:00,900 and husband, 1098 00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:01,340 Wayne, 1099 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,080 have made it out alive. 1100 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,060 We heard 1101 00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:05,080 there were 1102 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,260 20 survivors. 1103 00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:08,260 My heart's praying 1104 00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:09,700 that those four children, 1105 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,420 four of them 1106 00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:11,420 would be my children. 1107 00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:15,840 And then we started 1108 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,440 hearing there was 1109 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:16,960 only nine. 1110 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,640 And then they sat, 1111 00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:20,520 they came over 1112 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,540 and had a piece 1113 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:24,500 of paper in their hand. 1114 00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:29,100 All those Sheila 1115 00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,040 left behind 1116 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,720 die in the fire. 1117 00:47:33,220 --> 00:47:34,120 When I thought 1118 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,760 of them turning 1119 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,400 their backs 1120 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,380 and bending over, 1121 00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,060 I felt I could feel 1122 00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:38,780 the flames 1123 00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:39,620 on my own back. 1124 00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:41,740 Was that real? 1125 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:44,260 Did they get 1126 00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:45,340 to think about me? 1127 00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,500 Did they call my name? 1128 00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:49,060 Things like that. 1129 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,140 And then you get 1130 00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:53,900 to a certain point 1131 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:54,220 that you just 1132 00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:55,220 can't think anymore 1133 00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:56,300 because you want 1134 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:57,280 to remember 1135 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:57,920 that God is 1136 00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,880 a loving God 1137 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,420 and he keeps us 1138 00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:01,360 and he will continue 1139 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,220 to keep us 1140 00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:03,320 and we don't have 1141 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:03,940 to be afraid. 1142 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,560 For many 1143 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,420 in law enforcement, 1144 00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:06,860 too, 1145 00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:07,620 it's a moment 1146 00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:08,240 of horror 1147 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:09,560 and disbelief. 1148 00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:11,300 When the fire started, 1149 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,000 we keep waiting 1150 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,060 for people to come out. 1151 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,380 The way's coming out. 1152 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:16,920 Wow. 1153 00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:18,560 Why aren't they 1154 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,080 coming out? 1155 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,480 And just 1156 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,300 this 1157 00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:24,660 feeling 1158 00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:25,920 comes over you. 1159 00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:27,480 How can you do that? 1160 00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:28,220 How can you do that 1161 00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:28,860 to your children? 1162 00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:31,880 You always go back 1163 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,280 and 1164 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,720 second-guess yourself 1165 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,060 and 1166 00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:39,580 I stopped doing that. 1167 00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:40,820 It wasn't good for me. 1168 00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:45,680 In under an hour, 1169 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,800 the Davidians 1170 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,860 five-story building 1171 00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:48,600 is reduced 1172 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,660 to 18 inches 1173 00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:50,940 of rubble and ash. 1174 00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:53,100 Seventy-five people 1175 00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:54,400 die in the inferno, 1176 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,180 including 25 children. 1177 00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:58,800 Coroners discover 1178 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,540 that 16 of the bodies, 1179 00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:02,060 including David Koresh, 1180 00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:04,140 have gunshot wounds 1181 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:04,760 to the head. 1182 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,380 I think 1183 00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:08,700 those people 1184 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,180 truly believed 1185 00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:11,580 that they were 1186 00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:12,740 being delivered up 1187 00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:13,960 into heaven 1188 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,900 behind this 1189 00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:17,020 holy fire, 1190 00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:17,660 if you will. 1191 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:19,600 I still don't 1192 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,360 totally comprehend it, 1193 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,540 but a little bit, 1194 00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:24,480 a little bit of me 1195 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:24,940 needs, 1196 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,460 almost admires 1197 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:29,700 that dedication 1198 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:30,800 to their faith. 1199 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,100 25 years 1200 00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:34,960 after the fire, 1201 00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:36,360 Liz Baranyai 1202 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,460 believes Koresh's 1203 00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:37,980 followers 1204 00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:39,440 bear some responsibility 1205 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,520 for their fate. 1206 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:41,400 When you 1207 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,620 hand your will 1208 00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:43,520 over to someone 1209 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,180 like that, 1210 00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:46,880 you create 1211 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,400 a monster. 1212 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,280 But other Davidians 1213 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,460 still look forward 1214 00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:53,240 to the time 1215 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:53,900 when they'll be 1216 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:54,520 reunited 1217 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,640 with their leader 1218 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,620 and prophet. 1219 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,900 I trust God 1220 00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:58,780 for why he allowed 1221 00:49:58,780 --> 00:49:59,440 it to happen. 1222 00:50:00,220 --> 00:50:00,780 One day, 1223 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,160 we'll be one 1224 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:02,700 with God. 1225 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:03,860 There will be 1226 00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:05,020 a kingdom 1227 00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:06,220 and God's 1228 00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:07,420 people will be there. 1229 00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:11,060 God bless you. 1230 00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:41,040 Transcription by CastingWords 1231 00:50:41,060 --> 00:51:11,040 CastingWords