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Today, I'm announcing the unsealing of a three-count indictment,

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charging Sean Combs with racketeering conspiracy,

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sex trafficking, interstate transportation for prostitution.

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This is the type of indictment you would expect from someone in the mafia.

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They start making this case, in my opinion,

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as a takedown of a successful black man.

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The freak-off sometimes lasted days at a time,

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involved multiple commercial sex workers.

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I've spoken to about a half a dozen of these different men involved,

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and I asked them, was there any indicia of lack of consent?

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And they said, absolutely not.

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And they seize cases and cases of the kinds of personal lubricant and baby oil

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that Combs' staff allegedly used to stock hotel rooms for the freak-offs.

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More than 1,000 bottles altogether.

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How do you explain 1,000 bottles of baby oil?

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He has a big house he buys in bulk.

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You know, I think they have Costco's in every place where he has a home.

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Have you sat in a parking lot of a Costco and see what people walk out of there with?

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Not 1,000 bottles of baby oil.

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When I saw the video with Cassie running for her life, I cried my eyes out.

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I'm going to show that video over and over and over about what happens to women that won't change their stories.

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Combs did not do this all on his own.

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If there are higher-up people, people that are still famous right now that are on these videos,

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Hollywood is going to just implode.

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Does this compel you to put him on the stand?

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I don't know that I could keep him off the stand.

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I think he is very eager to tell his story.

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We have obtained video of Diddy's arrest on Monday night, and I have to say, he was blindsided.

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Sean Diddy Combs was taken into federal custody in New York.

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This, according to TMZ.

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We're told it happened in a midtown Manhattan hotel where Combs had been staying,

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and according to sources talking to TMZ, this actually came a day earlier than originally expected.

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The world-famous Sean Diddy Combs is expected to be arraigned on federal charges this morning

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following a grand jury indictment.

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Today I'm announcing the unsealing of a three-count indictment,

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charging Sean Combs with racketeering conspiracy, sex trafficking, interstate transportation for prostitution.

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Diddy, among other things, he has been accused of sex trafficking,

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engaging in a conspiracy to foster prostitution, racketeering.

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Kidnapping, narcotics offenses, arson, bribery.

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That is the beginning.

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The indictment alleges that on more than one occasion, Combs carried or brandished firearms

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to intimidate and threaten victims and witnesses.

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The indictment alleges some of Combs' employees helped set up freak-offs,

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in which women were forced into sex acts with male prostitutes.

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And they seized cases and cases of the kinds of personal lubricant and baby oil that Combs' staff

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allegedly used to stock hotel rooms for the freak-offs.

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More than 1,000 bottles altogether.

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Prosecutors now say when this notorious video was taken,

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Cassie was actually fleeing a wild freak-off.

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I mean, this has gotten very, very scary.

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Hollywood's in trouble.

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Hip-hop and R&B is in trouble.

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Sean Diddy Combs has pleaded not guilty to several federal charges.

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We are learning in just the last few minutes that a federal judge is now refusing to grant Sean Diddy Combs bail.

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He is going to be behind bars until his trial begins, whenever that is.

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Sean Combs really fought to stay out of this place where his attorney called conditions horrific.

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But the judge sent him back, finding Diddy a danger to women.

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We're appealing the decision to hold him without bail.

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TMZ is also reporting Diddy was placed on suicide watch at the detention center that he's being held at in New York.

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Your reaction to this really stunning indictment.

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I'm very surprised, Harvey, that you say you're stunned.

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What, you need another decade of Sean, a.k.a. Puffy, a.k.a. Diddy, a.k.a. Love, Combs, brutalizing women?

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Stunning?

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I'm only stunned it took so long.

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Diddy has dodged a lot of legal bullets in the past.

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Does this one feel different to you?

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It does.

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This one feels different.

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As you know, Harvey, you don't have the feds raid your homes unless they have something of substance, something significant.

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Federal law enforcement agents have raided properties owned by musician and producer Sean Diddy Combs.

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There's got to be something there in order for them to put themselves in a position with someone who is so powerful, who can retaliate, who has the authority and the means to be able to fight cases.

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To put yourself in that position, there must be something there.

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Let's switch our focus to the government.

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In my opinion, I'm just going to say it the way it is.

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No, no friend historically of the successful black man.

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Okay?

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None.

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And they start making this case, in my opinion, as a takedown of a successful black man.

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I think what is interesting and what was surprising to me was when I read the indictment, when I dissected the indictment, I looked at count two, which is the sex trafficking count, the sex trafficking by force, coercion, and fraud.

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It only names one victim.

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Hey, Cassie, how are you?

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How do you feel about all the allegations with Diddy going on right now?

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And I believe that's Cassie, his longtime girlfriend.

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It only names that one victim, where there's so many women who have come forth with civil claims, looking for money, making allegations against them.

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Now, there's only one named victim in that count, and that's the count that everyone seems to be talking about, that he's involved in sex trafficking and he's using force and coercion.

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It's one named victim in that count, and that's surprising to me, considering the amount of alleged victims there are in this case.

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What up, Sean?

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Do you think the fact that your client is a very big celebrity played a part in the Fed's decision to indict him?

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I think it played the biggest part.

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I think it played a prominent part.

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I think that if he's not a big celebrity, he's just going about his life, you know, without interference from the U.S. government.

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Even though a lot of people now claim that they basically had knowledge of this, and it certainly was whispered about prior to becoming common knowledge, I do think that it's probably one of the most seismic events in the history of hip-hop.

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I have never read 14 pages that contained so much shocking information and allegations.

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One, two, three.

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This is the type of indictment you would expect from someone in the mafia, not somebody who runs a clothing line.

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Matter of fact, you can call me Sean John.

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An alcohol brand.

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Let's be clear.

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Ciroc is for the culture.

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Someone who was at the top of the hip-hop world.

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To hear charges of transportation, of prostitution, sex trafficking, it was pretty astonishing.

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You know, you mentioned the mafia.

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The mafia tends to operate underground.

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Diddy operated way above ground for 16 years, according to the feds.

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And there were maybe whispers about this, but none of this came to light.

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The reality is, Diddy has had run-ins with the law several times, and it seems he always has gotten away with it.

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So, this was really just a build-up.

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He was, of course, going to operate in plain sight because nothing ever happens to him until now.

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I guess I'd say America loves a story of a good rise.

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America loves a story of a huge fall.

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And this is certainly up there, you know, with any that we've seen.

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But, you know, I certainly didn't have any of this stuff on my bingo card covering Puffy for, you know, over a decade.

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There's a lot you can say about the guy, but, you know, this stuff just didn't come up in my reporting.

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And I think it took all of us by surprise.

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Am I surprised by the allegations?

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No.

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These are rumors that have been floating around the industry for decades now.

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You know, some people have seen them firsthand.

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Some people have just heard about them, you know, directly.

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But many of us who've been in the music industry or music industry adjacent have been aware of Puff's behavior for many years.

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Freak-offs sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial sex workers, and often involved a variety of narcotics, such as ketamine, ecstasy, and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims to keep them obedient and compliant.

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They called them freak-offs.

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But, you know, back when I was a kid in the late 70s, they were called threesomes.

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This was, you know, with the woman that was his woman at the time.

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Kathy, eyes over here, please.

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And allegedly a third person.

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I've spoken to about a half a dozen of these different men involved, and I asked them, was there any indicia of lack of consent?

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And they said, absolutely not.

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We would never have gone forward a single step had it seemed like anybody in that room was not consenting.

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Was anyone high, too high?

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Was anyone drunk?

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No one was too high.

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No one was too drunk.

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If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a thousand bottles of baby oil?

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I don't know where the number of thousand came.

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The U.S. Attorney said it.

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I can't imagine it's thousands.

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I mean, you know, and I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to do with anything.

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They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy.

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I guess.

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I don't know what you need a thousand.

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One bottle of baby oil goes a long way.

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I don't know what you need a thousand for.

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I mean, he has a big house.

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He buys in bulk.

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You know, I think they have Costco's in every place where he has a home.

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I mean, have you sat in a parking lot of a Costco and see what people walk out of there with?

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Not a thousand bottles of baby oil.

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I don't think it was a thousand.

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I think it was, I think it was, let's just just say it's a lot.

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Okay.

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The U.S. Attorney has said that the freak off parties are going to be the core of this case.

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I've covered a lot of cases in my day.

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I cannot think of a single one that is more salacious than United States versus Sean Combs.

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I cannot think of anything that even comes close.

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I can't either.

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And, you know, again, if we start hearing the details of what went down at these parties,

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I mean, I remember back in the day the allure of a Diddy White party.

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We're going to hear about my party.

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They're going to be shutting them down.

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They're going to probably be arresting me, doing all types of crazy things.

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Everyone wanted to be there.

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It was so secretive.

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And to know that these parties will be on Front Street, we are going to hear what happens,

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not just at these parties, but obviously these after parties.

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I kind of am hoping to hear the details, even as terrible and soared as it may be,

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because it's astonishing that these things could be happening right underneath people's noses,

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very famous people.

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If you don't have what they need, they're going to leave.

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Right.

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Got to keep them there.

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Right.

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You need locks on the doors.

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Okay, this is sounding kind of dangerous now.

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It's a little kinky, but, you know, broccoli, but just check it out.

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You need a lot of heat.

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A lot of heat.

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Heat.

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You mean that physically the place has to be hot?

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You don't have no air conditioning.

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No air conditioning.

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Why is that?

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Heat affects the alcohol, and it also affects, like, you know, everybody gets a little bit

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more comfortable and loose.

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Builds up a nice little sweat.

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Do you ever see any of that in the parties that you threw or he threw?

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Did you ever get any sense of that kind of eventually evolving?

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My spidey senses were always on high alert, and I know that there's no safety.

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After a certain hour, when you've got drinks flowing and people behind your back doing drugs

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in bathrooms, two and three people walking out of a bathroom together, there's no safety

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in that.

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So could there potentially be?

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Absolutely.

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Did I see it?

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No, because I never stayed at a party late enough to see it.

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Did you sense it?

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Did I sense that there could be trouble?

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There could be trouble riding on the subway.

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Yes, I sensed it.

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Yes.

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There's no way out for Diddy on this.

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I'm just telling you, there's no way out.

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All he's going to be able to do now is whine about his jail.

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He might get in a better jail.

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He's going to whine about his tuna fish sandwich and his bunk and his naughty roommate.

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Have fun with that, Diddy.

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Very good, man.

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Here's a man who has made some of the most important businesses owned by a black man.

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Run, owned, created, founded.

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The vision was that of a black man.

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What have we done?

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We have reduced him, not everyone, but a large amount of our society to being a monster.

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That should make us shake in our boots.

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Down here at Pura Vida by my pad, run into the man right here.

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Love.

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What's up?

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The indictment alleges that between at least 2008 and the present, Combs abused, threatened,

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and coerced victims to fulfill his sexual desires, protect his reputation, and conceal his conduct.

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This is the government scrutinizing his businesses.

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His businesses are fine.

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Scrutinizing the taxes.

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He pays his taxes.

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He does everything right.

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What's the last vestige?

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We're going to go into his bedroom.

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We're going to go into his bedroom because maybe we don't like the way he's having sex.

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I really wanted to get somebody who is just all over this genre, and I want to talk to

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you about the whispers, because according to prosecutors, this has been going on for

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16 years at least, and yet nothing surfaced publicly until Cassie.

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So what were the whispers over the years?

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What were people saying?

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There was a lot of talk of party parties or ditty parties as they're kind of known now.

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It was always sort of known that if you went to a party at Puff's house and were you to

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stay past certain hours, that you might be introduced to some sort of, you know, massive

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orgy, or there was just a lot of whispers about what it might have consisted of.

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This is about we.

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This is motherfucking bad boy, bitch.

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We love everybody.

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Certainly, I don't think that it was common knowledge that there was so much non-consensual

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stuff going on or any of the seedier allegations, but it was definitely discussed.

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Years ago, Diddy was on Ellen DeGeneres' talk show, and she even joked about that.

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I could think of you of starting a party at like midnight.

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Like what time will it go till?

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That's a different type of party, though.

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Uh-huh.

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Um, no, it'll go from like 9.30 to like maybe 3 o'clock, 2, 3 o'clock.

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And then, you know, we have the top two floors of the hotel.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then it will carry on there?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Didn't it?

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No, I mean the after party.

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Mm-hmm.

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No, I know about them.

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Um...

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I'll listen to the music.

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Um...

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I've heard that song after party.

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Um...

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No, I mean, I think everybody knew that Diddy was a highly sexual individual and that he

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certainly was a fan of drugs in general.

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Let's go, Diddy!

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How could this go under the radar for 16 years?

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I think that Diddy, over those years, before he was apprehended, I think that it was just

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his ego just kept inflating and he kept getting away with more and more things.

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If you go back to the Shine incident, that was an incident in which he assaulted somebody

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in a nightclub in front of, you know, presumably hundreds of powerful people, influential people.

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Prosecutors then say one of Combs' associates, 19-year-old Jamal Barrow, also known as the rapper

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Shine, opened fire while Combs reportedly pulled out a pistol of his own.

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And he got away with it.

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He was able to make this young artist basically take the fall for him.

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I had nothing to do with a shooting in this club.

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And I feel terrible that people were hurt that night.

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I am Natanya Rubin.

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I'm a mom.

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I'm a business owner.

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I'm a daughter.

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And I am a victim of gun violence.

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Three people inside the club were injured, two of them critically, including a young woman

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with a bullet lodged in her cheek.

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I am the woman who was shot on December 27, 1999, in Club New York by Sean Puffy Combs.

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I have said it from that day, and I will say it till I die.

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I just watched Shine and Puffy start backing back towards the door, like you would see in

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any movie when someone is backing away from a scene but reaching to their side.

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They were reaching to their side, backing away from the scene to get to the front door.

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I turned around to tell my friends, oh my God, oh my God, watch out.

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I think they're going to, you know, this is getting crazy.

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I think they're going to shoot.

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I saw the muzzle flash and the bullet slammed into my face.

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I watched them.

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I watched both of them fire their guns.

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Do you have any sense of which person fired the shot that hit you?

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Absolutely.

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Shine was closest to the bar.

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Puffy was closest to me.

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Remember one thing.

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This man testified to a jury in 2001.

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And he saw 12 New Yorkers look him dead in the eye and say, you're not guilty.

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Why do you think it took 16 years for authorities to really come down hard on Diddy, given what

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you say happened to you, what happened to Cassie, and what allegedly happened to many other people?

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There's an old adage, every dog has his day.

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This victory is not just a victory for Cassie, for Little Rod, for me.

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It's a victory for everyone who has felt the specter of violence, oppression, wickedness, evil, whatever.

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I am the fucking hardest hustler in the world.

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This is Savage Part 2.

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People were definitely talking about his, not just his emotional abuse, but his physical abuse and his temper and his anger and his treatment of women.

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Fear of retaliation, fear of reputational damage, and fear of being called inauthentic by a culture that unfortunately values sexual violence.

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The personality profile that I would assess to Puffy during the years we were working together was very hardworking, ingenious, creative, demanding, prone to temper tantrums.

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If he didn't have his way, screamed a lot.

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Did y'all know that's the hustle?

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You make enough money to pay everybody so you don't do shit, but be as happy as you can be.

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I want to be happy.

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I pay too many people.

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I have heard that you would refer to Diddy as the problem child.

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Is that right?

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Yes, I called him my problem child.

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I used to always joke that I had the Notorious B.I.G. and I had the Notorious V.I.P., and the Notorious V.I.P. is Puffy.

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I wanted everybody to be casting.

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Y'all hate us.

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It's casting.

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Sean Diddy Combs was a hero to a lot of people.

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He also fed a lot of mouths, and he kept a lot of people clothed and employed.

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So people were afraid to come out and talk about it.

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I mean, I interviewed his former makeup artist, Mila Morales, who said she was horrified at what she heard.

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She heard him beating Cassie behind closed doors and basically got her out of there, packed her bags, and then, you know, took her to see a doctor.

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So I think people were afraid of their, you know, for their careers.

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They were afraid for their livelihoods.

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He was very quick to anger.

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He was quick to have a reaction to things, and he really felt that he was impenetrable.

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He felt that nobody could go after him, that nobody could take him down.

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He had a God complex.

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You know, Puffy really had a God complex.

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And that defined a lot of his interactions with people that he considered lesser than.

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Diddy was able to get away with lots of stuff for a long time for a few reasons.

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One, he was cast in the public image as the alternative to Suge Knight.

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Suge's the big, bad monster.

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Diddy's the nice guy that wants to get along.

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Diddy is also quite charming.

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He will disarm you with his smile, with his conversation.

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And in my interactions with him, he's a very nice guy.

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I have nothing bad to say about him.

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I've never had a bad interaction with Diddy.

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And then there's also the fact that Diddy is quite powerful.

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No more do I have to do, man.

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Look at my hat, man.

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Look at my hat.

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Look how I show up on the Monty Coast beat.

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Am I letting y'all down?

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Let me know.

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Am I not representing y'all the right way?

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You know what I'm saying?

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The fuck?

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New surveillance footage obtained exclusively by CNN appears to corroborate some of the

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allegations of abuse against music mogul Sean Diddy Combs.

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The video captured on multiple cameras shows Combs wearing only a towel,

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assaulting his then-girlfriend, Cassie Ventura, in a hallway at a Los Angeles hotel in March 2016.

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I think the Cassie video was the moment where everybody in hip-hop basically had to stop

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pretending that this was all a witch hunt.

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I think that there was a strong incentive for a lot of people to basically say,

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well, Diddy, he's a sexual guy, he's a freaky guy, he may or may not be bisexual,

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but was he an abuser, was he a monster?

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No way, I don't believe that.

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But then when you see that video, it's kind of hard to imagine this guy actually having a sane,

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rational, normal sex life when you could witness him behaving in such a way to his longtime girlfriend.

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So I think that when that tape hit, it really kind of changed the game.

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But we are able to shun him, and he should be treated like the leper, the social leper and criminal he is.

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We saw him commit assault.

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When I saw the video with Cassie running for her life, I cried my eyes out

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and wondered how she got there and how he got to a place where he could brutalize someone in that way

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and think that he could get away with it.

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Smile, help me get ahead, please.

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Gentlemen, everybody on the side right here.

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When I got the nerve to really watch it and analyze it,

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I was stricken with how easily he delivered the blows.

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As Ventura lies on the ground, Combs then kicks her twice.

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Anybody who has watched that video, and I imagine millions of people have watched that video,

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you can't watch it and think that is a man that has compassion,

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that is a man that treats women well.

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There's no excuse for anything that happened on that video,

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and he's going to have a hard time convincing anyone, especially a jury,

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that he's a stand-up guy and has been for years, and that was just a one-off thing.

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I think that it is game over.

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There may have been a path forward before we saw him in action,

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but now that we've seen him physically assault Cassie,

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I just don't see how any of us can erase that from our minds.

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Mr. Combs himself, you know, went publicly and apologized for the video,

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and it was hard to watch for him, it was hard to watch for me, it's hard to watch for anyone.

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That being said, it is not evidence of sex trafficking.

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There was a certain level of toxicity and drug use in the 10-year relationship

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between Mr. Combs and the woman that he was in love with,

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very much in love with, and who was very much in love with him for a period of 10 years.

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Their difficulties did not stem from their intimate time together.

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Their difficulties stemmed from the fact that she was cheating on him,

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and he was cheating on her.

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And what we see in that video is terrible, it's unforgivable,

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and we don't seek to forgive it.

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But it's not related to the charge.

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There were the folks who would say, what was she doing?

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Anybody who's accused of beating a woman or putting their hands on a woman,

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we don't know what she was doing before that to cause him to do that.

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Well, there's nothing that you can do to cause someone to react that way.

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No one deserves to be beaten like that.

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What's up, Diddy?

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How you doing, man?

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Do you think the defense will try and argue to the judge

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that the Cassie video is so incendiary,

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so inflammatory, so prejudicial,

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that he couldn't get a fair trial if the jury absorbs it,

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so that they would try to keep it out

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because it's simply too prejudicial?

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Is that something that I would argue,

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and is it something that would fly?

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You're a lawyer, huh?

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So that's the great argument, Harvey.

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So yes, that's something that they would argue.

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That's something that they definitely will argue.

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I would argue it because it's not tied into these freak-offs.

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This whole thing is about these sex romps,

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the sex trafficking.

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That's an isolated incident that has nothing to do

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with the sex trafficking, these freak-offs,

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the prostitution, the lack of consent for sex, the coercion.

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That is a fight between a couple,

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an ugly fight between a couple,

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and like you just said,

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that will inflame the passions of a jury.

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Anyone who looks at that is disgusted.

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I'm disgusted looking at that.

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How do you hit a woman?

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I mean, it's just, to me, it's a horrible thing,

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and it will, the prejudicial value

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will clearly outweigh the probative value in this instance.

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Will the judge preclude it?

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It's probably not the way things have been going for him

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because the prosecution's going to argue

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it's a pattern of his behavior,

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including violent behavior that he employed against women.

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The Cassie video was such a big deal,

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but really him throwing his girlfriend on the ground

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in the hotel hallway,

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that kind of pales in comparison to a lot of the things

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that have been alleged in this indictment.

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So, if there's further video footage,

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and presumably there's a lot of this footage,

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it's going to be crazy.

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Harvey, talk about the Cassie video

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being inflammatory to a jury.

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Wait till they see the freak-off videos, okay?

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Cassie Ventura video?

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That's child's play

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compared to what they're going to see

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in freak-off videos.

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R&B singer Cassie has accused hip-hop mogul

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Sean Diddy Combs of rape

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and a decade of physical abuse.

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The two were romantically involved for years,

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but in a lawsuit,

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Cassie says there was a pattern of control,

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drug use, and forced sexual encounters.

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I find it unbelievable

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that Diddy did not settle that lawsuit

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before it got filed.

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And especially knowing

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that there was surveillance video

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of the incident in 2016,

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that if he would have settled with her,

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we may not be talking about this today.

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Cassie is the one

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that opened Pandora's box.

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And had she just gotten the money,

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gone away,

473
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:25,520
Diddy might be a free man today.

474
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,940
I have to imagine

475
00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:28,800
when Diddy woke up

476
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,960
in his jail cell that first day,

477
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:31,500
he thought,

478
00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:33,440
why didn't I just take the deal?

479
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,140
Because exactly that.

480
00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:36,240
If he had just settled,

481
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,040
we probably would have never known

482
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,260
any of this went down.

483
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:42,280
So, for us, it's a blessing

484
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,060
because if he is found guilty

485
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:44,960
of all of the things

486
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,320
that are alleged in this indictment,

487
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,100
we don't want a person like that

488
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:49,740
walking around in society.

489
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,940
The main emotion I always get

490
00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:57,580
when I see a man putting hands on a woman

491
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:58,720
in this way

492
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,120
is just disgust and disappointment.

493
00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:01,460
Like, you know, yeah,

494
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Diddy need his ass beat.

495
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:03,340
Like, I wish Cassie

496
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:04,900
would have had a gun on her

497
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:05,580
and would have shot him

498
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:06,340
right there on the spot.

499
00:31:06,340 --> 00:31:12,580
Honestly, I don't understand

500
00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:13,660
how this case was handled

501
00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:15,020
on behalf of P. Diddy,

502
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:16,140
on behalf of Combs.

503
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,900
There's no reason

504
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,520
to have those settlement negotiations,

505
00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:21,620
which they were engaged in

506
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:22,520
for quite some time,

507
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:24,620
not agree to a settlement,

508
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,660
let her file the case,

509
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:28,560
have a front page

510
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,260
of every newspaper

511
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:31,040
have explosive allegations

512
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,880
against your client,

513
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,000
and then settle it one day later.

514
00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:35,960
That was absolutely

515
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,240
the worst of all worlds

516
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,640
because what you have

517
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,840
is now an allegation

518
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,500
that destroys reputation

519
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:43,080
of this guy.

520
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,300
It's actually what started

521
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:45,340
this federal investigation.

522
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,140
Had Diddy settled with Cassie

523
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:51,400
before she filed a lawsuit,

524
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:53,660
you and I might not

525
00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:54,800
be speaking today.

526
00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:56,560
I agree with you 100%.

527
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,780
There's no criminal case

528
00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:58,700
if that happens.

529
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,860
The lawyers let her file

530
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:04,240
a lawsuit settle 24 hours later

531
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,080
and open Pandora's box.

532
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,720
That's pretty incredible.

533
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,780
And unfortunate.

534
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,000
Had it been settled quietly,

535
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:12,320
they would have never

536
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,220
known about it

537
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:14,240
to have the opportunity

538
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,420
to do what they did.

539
00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:17,540
He must be kicking himself

540
00:32:17,540 --> 00:32:18,340
for that.

541
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:19,900
You know, he is so focused

542
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,900
on trying to right this wrong

543
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:23,700
that it's actually giving him

544
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:24,740
a form of strength

545
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:26,100
and a form of confidence

546
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,740
that I think is going to get him

547
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:29,380
through this difficult time period.

548
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:30,200
There's an adage

549
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,440
that we have in my office,

550
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,080
don't tell me what I did wrong,

551
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,240
tell me what I do next.

552
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:35,600
And that's where he is.

553
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,660
Sean, Cassie, this way!

554
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:38,620
Sean, Cassie!

555
00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:40,960
Cassie Ventura's bombshell lawsuit

556
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,640
in November

557
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,140
that opened the door,

558
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,280
really the floodgates,

559
00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:46,820
for all these similar allegations

560
00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:47,800
to come forward.

561
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Well, this latest lawsuit

562
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,640
was filed by adult film star

563
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,720
Adria English.

564
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,420
She alleges that she was forced

565
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:54,180
to drink alcohol

566
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:55,220
and consume drugs

567
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:56,280
and then was, quote,

568
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,320
passed off to be sexually assaulted.

569
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,340
In a 79-page lawsuit

570
00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:01,720
filed by a music producer

571
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,940
who claims to have worked with

572
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:04,380
and lived with Sean Combs

573
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:05,300
for a period of time,

574
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,960
alleges there were underage girls

575
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,920
hitting cameras

576
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,140
and sexual harassment

577
00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:10,100
at his home.

578
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:14,100
How you doing?

579
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:16,100
Good.

580
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:18,760
In a new lawsuit,

581
00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:19,680
Don Richard,

582
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:20,540
who is a member

583
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,000
of the Combs-formed group,

584
00:33:22,180 --> 00:33:22,980
Danity Kane,

585
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,320
accuses him of terrorizing

586
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,620
and sexually abusing her

587
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:27,460
for years.

588
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Indicted music mogul

589
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,160
Sean Diddy Combs

590
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,320
is facing new

591
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,020
sex assault allegations.

592
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,840
A woman named Talia Graves

593
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,340
just filed a lawsuit

594
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:39,580
accusing him of drugging

595
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:40,900
and then raping her.

596
00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:41,580
This is more than

597
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:42,460
two decades ago.

598
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,760
It opened a Pandora's box

599
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,620
because what else it did

600
00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:45,060
was this.

601
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:47,300
If you make a claim against me

602
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:48,380
within 24 hours,

603
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:49,280
I will settle with you.

604
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,640
So, of course,

605
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,600
now the floodgates open.

606
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,980
I, legally,

607
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,220
I don't understand.

608
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:55,960
That was maybe

609
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,740
the worst strategy

610
00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:57,840
I've ever seen in my life.

611
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,360
Shocking new accusations.

612
00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:01,760
His alleged victim

613
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,900
humiliated and traumatized.

614
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,280
Diddy's legal troubles

615
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,180
just got bigger.

616
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,300
Sean Diddy Combs

617
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:09,140
faces another new lawsuit,

618
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,620
the second this week.

619
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:11,740
A fourth woman

620
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:13,340
is now suing music mogul

621
00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:14,200
Sean Combs

622
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,060
claiming he sexually assaulted her

623
00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:17,240
when she was just a teenager.

624
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,240
Another woman

625
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,180
has come forward

626
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:20,540
accusing hip-hop mogul

627
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:21,660
Sean Diddy Combs

628
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,080
of sexual assault.

629
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,520
This is the eighth lawsuit

630
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,260
against Combs

631
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:25,980
since November.

632
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Cassie Ventura

633
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,060
really opened the floodgates

634
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:31,560
and women now feel empowered

635
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,500
and a whole lot of people

636
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:33,120
are coming out

637
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,220
and they're telling their stories

638
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:35,860
about Diddy.

639
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:37,040
I have to imagine

640
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,980
we are going to see

641
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:39,580
a long line of people

642
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:41,220
who want him to be found guilty

643
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:42,520
in the criminal trial

644
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,180
because it makes,

645
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:43,700
obviously,

646
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:44,920
the civil cases

647
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,700
that much more easy.

648
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:48,740
once he is found guilty

649
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:50,160
or if he is found guilty

650
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,300
of these criminal charges,

651
00:34:52,660 --> 00:34:54,700
I have to imagine

652
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:56,540
his assets just get seized,

653
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:58,100
they start getting auctioned off.

654
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,960
And I think the fact

655
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960
that he has a lot of money

656
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,420
kind of fuels that fire

657
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,980
because this is not like

658
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:06,640
suing somebody

659
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,680
who's judgment-proof.

660
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,960
There's a lot of money

661
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,580
to go around.

662
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,560
There is a lot of money

663
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,280
to go around

664
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,020
and I think

665
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:13,660
even if he escapes

666
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:15,120
these criminal charges,

667
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,920
he is going to have

668
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,380
years and years

669
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:19,280
ahead of him

670
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,240
with these civil lawsuits.

671
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,000
The woman bringing

672
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,240
this latest lawsuit

673
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,680
says she was only 17

674
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,740
when she was a victim

675
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:27,720
of sex trafficking

676
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:28,640
and gang rape

677
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,740
by Combs and his associates.

678
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:32,560
She alleges in 1991,

679
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:34,040
Sean Diddy Combs

680
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:34,640
drugged her

681
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,420
then sexually assaulted her.

682
00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:37,340
In the suit,

683
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:37,800
she says,

684
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,680
he videotaped

685
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,780
and distributed it.

686
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:40,660
Lampro claims

687
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:41,760
the rapper forced her

688
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,880
to take ecstasy

689
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,720
and demanded

690
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:44,420
she have sexual intercourse.

691
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,060
with Kim Porter.

692
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:47,880
She says Combs

693
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,180
then began kissing her

694
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:50,220
without her consent

695
00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:51,400
and forced her

696
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,840
to perform oral sex

697
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,260
on him.

698
00:35:55,340 --> 00:35:56,740
I have had women

699
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:59,120
that a rape,

700
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,380
even if it was

701
00:36:00,380 --> 00:36:01,260
when they were a child,

702
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,440
ruins their life.

703
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:05,460
They can't have

704
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:06,200
a relationship.

705
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:09,100
They can't make love

706
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:09,780
with their husband.

707
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:11,660
They can't have a family.

708
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,820
They have flashbacks.

709
00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:15,420
They are afraid.

710
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:16,820
They have night terrors

711
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:19,200
and it never goes away.

712
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:20,780
And if you do manage

713
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:22,240
to marry

714
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,220
or have children

715
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:24,240
or have a family

716
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,120
in some way,

717
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:26,860
it affects the way

718
00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:28,280
you raise your children,

719
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,780
how you see the world.

720
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:32,960
It's never over, Harvey.

721
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,860
it's never over.

722
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:41,120
No, no, no, no, no,

723
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,980
not yet, not yet,

724
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:42,420
not yet.

725
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,880
You're messing up.

726
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:44,740
That's your problem.

727
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:45,640
That's your problem.

728
00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:46,780
I got a nice,

729
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,840
go get a drink

730
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,400
downstairs.

731
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,060
Combs allegedly planned

732
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,060
and controlled

733
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:51,960
the sex performances,

734
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,620
which he called

735
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:54,340
freak-offs.

736
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:56,180
And he often

737
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:57,560
electronically recorded them.

738
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,220
Hollywood has often

739
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,920
quick to speak up

740
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,960
and speak loudly

741
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,680
when somebody

742
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,720
does something bad.

743
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,320
But they've been silent

744
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,500
on Diddy.

745
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:11,140
I'm wondering

746
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:11,720
if there are a lot

747
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:12,540
of nervous people

748
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:13,680
in this town,

749
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:15,400
especially now knowing

750
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,060
that there are videos.

751
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,100
There should be

752
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:19,120
a lot of nervous people

753
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,900
in this town.

754
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,600
If there are higher up people,

755
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:22,540
people that are still

756
00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:23,760
famous right now

757
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,180
that are on these videos,

758
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:27,880
it's going to blow.

759
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:28,840
I mean, Hollywood

760
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,000
is going to just

761
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,020
implode, I think.

762
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:32,420
Diddy Party Stories,

763
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,160
they're our favorite

764
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,200
genre of anecdote.

765
00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:34,680
Oh, really?

766
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,200
If you have one, yeah.

767
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:36,960
Wow, okay, I've got a lot.

768
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:37,680
I can't tell.

769
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,640
So, um...

770
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,760
I can't tell that one either.

771
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:44,040
Fair to say

772
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,600
that some of these videos

773
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,660
might include people

774
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:49,880
other than Cassie

775
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,660
and Diddy

776
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:53,080
and that there might be

777
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,540
other celebrities

778
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:55,860
on these videos.

779
00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:56,920
I don't know

780
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,740
of other celebrities,

781
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,600
I'll tell you that.

782
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:00,340
In terms of the other people,

783
00:38:00,460 --> 00:38:01,780
I don't want to comment

784
00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:02,800
on that until I've seen them.

785
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:03,680
That's probably a bridge

786
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,580
too far for me

787
00:38:04,580 --> 00:38:05,440
because I haven't seen

788
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,160
the evidence yet,

789
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:06,760
but, you know,

790
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,320
we'll see what's on them.

791
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:09,460
What about

792
00:38:09,460 --> 00:38:11,860
his desire

793
00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:13,860
to bring celebrities

794
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:14,720
into the fold

795
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,300
based on what you know

796
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:16,860
about him?

797
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Was that something

798
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,000
that was always

799
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,020
his endgame?

800
00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:22,680
Because what I'm wondering

801
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,480
is,

802
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,540
what's on these videotapes?

803
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:26,720
I think the prosecutors

804
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:27,760
have them.

805
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,020
The question is,

806
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,420
did he court celebrities

807
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:31,360
to come to these?

808
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,900
He was a celebrity magnet.

809
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,180
My phone rang consistently

810
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:36,760
with celebrities asking,

811
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,940
can I come to the party?

812
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,580
When is the next party?

813
00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:41,920
Put my name down,

814
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:42,700
take my number.

815
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:45,160
The parties were fantastic on him.

816
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:55,800
And then they went sideways.

817
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,960
I suppose.

818
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:00,740
I never stayed long enough

819
00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:01,440
to find out.

820
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:10,800
So who was with you

821
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,500
this weekend?

822
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:13,500
A bunch of my friends.

823
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:15,260
Diddy,

824
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:16,260
Quincy,

825
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,220
Justin Bieber,

826
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:20,400
French Montana.

827
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,880
I got on a plane

828
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,900
at 5.30 a.m.

829
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:26,060
At this party,

830
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:27,660
I think half the people

831
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:28,500
there were butt naked.

832
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:29,820
Diddy threw

833
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:31,940
lots of parties

834
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:33,340
that were filled

835
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:34,140
with celebrities,

836
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,020
big celebrities.

837
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,020
And as you say,

838
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,100
there were whispers

839
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,240
about what happens

840
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,660
late into the night

841
00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:57,400
at various parties,

842
00:39:57,740 --> 00:39:58,640
not to mention

843
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,940
specific parties

844
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:00,860
like freak-offs.

845
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,180
How likely is it,

846
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:02,660
do you think,

847
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,440
that there are

848
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,260
celebrities there?

849
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,260
I would assume

850
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:07,420
that the vast majority

851
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:08,580
of the people involved

852
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:10,000
in these freak-offs

853
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,480
would be celebrities,

854
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,360
at least on the male

855
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,100
side of things.

856
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:13,380
You know,

857
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,160
it's easy for me

858
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,720
to imagine,

859
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:15,900
and from when we've heard

860
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:16,780
that a lot of these parties

861
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:17,640
might be like a handful

862
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,200
of guys,

863
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:19,640
and then dozens

864
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,420
or even hundreds

865
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:21,460
of women

866
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,560
who are basically

867
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,820
involved in it.

868
00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:24,400
Oh, yeah,

869
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:24,620
now,

870
00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:25,500
touch the star,

871
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,280
touch the star.

872
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:27,700
The real sad part

873
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:28,180
about it

874
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,940
is the silence

875
00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:32,960
of the people

876
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,440
in Hollywood.

877
00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:34,900
Are they scared?

878
00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:36,140
Are they nervous

879
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:36,760
for themselves?

880
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,080
Are they worried

881
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:38,660
about something

882
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:39,700
like this coming out

883
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:40,300
about them?

884
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,380
People are concerned

885
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:42,180
about the slightest

886
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:43,160
infraction these days.

887
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:43,860
I have to be honest

888
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:44,120
with you,

889
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,320
people are afraid

890
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,400
of being canceled.

891
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,300
You said,

892
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:48,360
we are not done,

893
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:49,600
and that Combs

894
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,700
did not do this alone.

895
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:51,920
Do you foresee

896
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,600
that there could be

897
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,580
other charges

898
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:54,660
related to this case?

899
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,540
I'm not taking

900
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:56,380
anything off the table.

901
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:57,360
People are thinking,

902
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,300
oh, crap,

903
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,800
I was at that party.

904
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:00,480
What happened?

905
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,220
What did I do?

906
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,160
What did others do?

907
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,940
And I think that video

908
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:06,540
that the Homeland Security

909
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:07,380
folks sees

910
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:08,260
freaked them out.

911
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:09,220
Yeah,

912
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:09,960
it freaked a lot

913
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,560
of people out

914
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,260
for sure.

915
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,840
It's the after parties.

916
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:14,160
It's the side rooms.

917
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:15,720
It's whether there's

918
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,200
video of those

919
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,560
smaller gatherings

920
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,140
of people who stay

921
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:21,180
when the party's over

922
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:22,160
or who are getting

923
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,240
together when everybody

924
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,000
else is in the larger

925
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,960
room that people

926
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,660
are afraid of.

927
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:26,380
I think that video

928
00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:27,460
is going to blow

929
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:29,040
a lot of stuff

930
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,900
open wide if it

931
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:30,480
comes to light.

932
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,200
If some celebrity

933
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,740
is captured on video

934
00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:36,900
at one of these

935
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:37,560
freak-offs,

936
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,640
could that celebrity's

937
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,120
lawyer somehow go

938
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,140
to prosecutors,

939
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:46,080
the judge,

940
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:47,180
and say,

941
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:50,280
please blur my client,

942
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,800
cut them out.

943
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,140
There's no reason

944
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:53,760
to make them

945
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,720
collateral damage.

946
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:55,860
It's possible

947
00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:56,880
that somebody

948
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,640
of some renown,

949
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,460
some fame,

950
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,800
a recognizable face

951
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,920
could be involved

952
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,620
in some of these

953
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:02,540
freak-off tapes.

954
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:04,220
If they are,

955
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:06,180
that person clearly

956
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:07,780
can ask prosecutors

957
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:09,840
to take some kind

958
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,240
of action to blur

959
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:12,100
out their face

960
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,000
or to make sure

961
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,140
that they're not

962
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:16,460
recognizable if they

963
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:17,200
haven't done anything

964
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:17,660
illegal.

965
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:18,820
However,

966
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,360
at some point,

967
00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:21,120
there's a balancing

968
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,280
test between a

969
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,140
celebrity's right

970
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:25,420
to privacy and to

971
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:26,100
the protection of

972
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:27,380
their career and to

973
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:28,260
the public's right

974
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:29,880
to know and to

975
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,960
the jury's right to

976
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,840
see and deliberate

977
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,280
on a just decision.

978
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:36,480
And every time the

979
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,400
prosecution is going

980
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,460
to choose the

981
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:39,140
public's right to

982
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:40,440
know and the jury's

983
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,400
right to do justice

984
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,620
over a celebrity's

985
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:43,160
right to remain

986
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:43,540
private.

987
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,740
If I was a Hollywood

988
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:46,000
celebrity and I was

989
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,560
at one of those

990
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,680
parties, I'd make

991
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,460
sure to talk to a

992
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:49,460
lawyer because I

993
00:42:49,460 --> 00:42:50,400
could easily be

994
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,260
dragged into this.

995
00:42:51,260 --> 00:43:01,960
does he have any

996
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,040
goodwill attached when

997
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,080
it comes to this jury

998
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,780
that he'll have?

999
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,080
In my opinion,

1000
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:09,820
Sean Combs enters the

1001
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:11,600
courtroom with a very

1002
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,900
complicated history.

1003
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:30,420
I think the defense is

1004
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:31,180
going to have a

1005
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:33,640
difficult time portraying

1006
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,480
him as a choir boy or

1007
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,320
as someone who is

1008
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,500
beloved by the public.

1009
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:40,060
Sean Combs is someone

1010
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:42,320
who has been consistently

1011
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,260
in the crosshairs of

1012
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:45,720
law enforcement since

1013
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,160
the 90s when he first

1014
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,200
came into prominence.

1015
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,560
So he's a complicated

1016
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,880
figure entering that

1017
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,320
courtroom.

1018
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:53,240
What if, Nancy, did

1019
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:54,520
his lawyers say in

1020
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,140
trial, look, the

1021
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:57,640
prosecution is

1022
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,620
infantilizing women by

1023
00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:01,500
saying that they were

1024
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,480
at these freak offs under

1025
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,520
duress or pressure, that

1026
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,840
people go to orgies, people

1027
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,100
do drugs, to assume that

1028
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:12,740
they didn't have the

1029
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:14,340
right not to go or to

1030
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:15,540
leave when they want it

1031
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:17,240
is a huge leap.

1032
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,080
To that, as a prosecutor,

1033
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,680
you would say what?

1034
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,580
So when evidence comes

1035
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:26,320
out of Sean Combs beating,

1036
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,640
threatening, chasing

1037
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,520
victims...

1038
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:40,140
Then I believe a jury will

1039
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:42,280
see that they were not

1040
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,040
infantilized as you are

1041
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:44,540
describing.

1042
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,400
Yes, they were coerced.

1043
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,900
Yes, they were forced.

1044
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:49,340
Yes, they were asked to

1045
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:50,280
change their stories.

1046
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:52,440
They're going to show that

1047
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,260
video over and over and

1048
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:56,320
over about what happens to

1049
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,720
women that won't change

1050
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:58,460
their stories.

1051
00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:00,760
If the defense can find

1052
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,480
witnesses that participated

1053
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,600
in these freak offs, who

1054
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,540
are willing to get on the

1055
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:08,800
stand and said, I did so

1056
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,080
freely, I was not coerced,

1057
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,300
I wanted to do these

1058
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,340
things, and they have

1059
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:15,280
enough witnesses that are

1060
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,120
compelling, that will be

1061
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,020
their best defense.

1062
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,760
It's not illegal to be a

1063
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,120
freak.

1064
00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:23,280
It is illegal to drug

1065
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,620
people, coerce people into

1066
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:26,620
doing those things.

1067
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:27,920
We hear that these

1068
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,220
investigators have been

1069
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:31,060
contacting individuals that

1070
00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:32,540
they have seen on this

1071
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:32,980
footage.

1072
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,340
One person, in addition to

1073
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:36,600
the accusers who have filed

1074
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,140
these civil suits, is a male

1075
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:38,800
sex worker.

1076
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:44,500
It's pretty stunning that

1077
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,800
Diddy's lawyer could subpoena

1078
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,940
some of the people who were at

1079
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:51,880
these parties knowing they

1080
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,800
were there because there's

1081
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,720
video of them, and all of a

1082
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,720
sudden they're forced to take

1083
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:57,460
the stand and talk about

1084
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:57,820
this.

1085
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:59,920
I have to imagine anyone

1086
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,860
who has participated is

1087
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:04,440
absolutely terrified right now

1088
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,040
because imagine if you started

1089
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,380
participating in these parties

1090
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:09,520
years ago, and now you've gone

1091
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,460
on to become a trad wife, or

1092
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:12,760
maybe you're just a stay-at-home

1093
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,820
mom, and that is not your life

1094
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:17,080
anymore, but you might be

1095
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,280
subpoenaed, and you might have

1096
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,320
to testify to things that are on

1097
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:20,880
these videos.

1098
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,900
It's absolutely horrifying, but

1099
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,940
I will say it will be a really

1100
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:26,740
compelling trial.

1101
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:28,640
Just wanted to give you all a

1102
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,840
taste of what it's like being in

1103
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,420
a mix, you know, mixing a

1104
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:31,720
record.

1105
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,540
What you got to say?

1106
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,480
I just want to say thank you to

1107
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,780
everybody, and I hope everybody

1108
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:38,540
likes the record.

1109
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,340
It's definitely an honor to be on

1110
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:43,480
what Puff is calling a bad boy

1111
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:43,900
classic.

1112
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,260
If I'm in the defense, I would

1113
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:48,280
also, also point out that there

1114
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,520
was also a financial motive here

1115
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,420
for these women, right?

1116
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,540
It's not just consent.

1117
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,140
How many years ago was that

1118
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:00,720
confrontation?

1119
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,960
Many, many years ago.

1120
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,240
She didn't go to the law

1121
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:05,460
police at any time.

1122
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:08,160
She didn't go to a lawyer at any

1123
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,340
time until recently.

1124
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:10,980
And then, instead of going to

1125
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:11,860
law enforcement, look, if you're

1126
00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:13,560
a victim of a crime, the first

1127
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,840
place you should go to is the

1128
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,080
police.

1129
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,900
She didn't do that.

1130
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:19,820
She went to a lawyer and tried to

1131
00:47:19,820 --> 00:47:21,060
get money, okay?

1132
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:22,340
And I'm just telling you what the

1133
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:23,140
defense would argue here.

1134
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,900
And she got money.

1135
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,060
All of a sudden, all these other

1136
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:29,180
victims came forward.

1137
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:31,080
Everyone who's claiming to be a

1138
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,460
victim was first looking for money.

1139
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,340
And that's a motive.

1140
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,240
That's proper fodder for cross-

1141
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:39,600
examination.

1142
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,380
They are going to ascribe motives to the

1143
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:47,940
women that they would sleep with Combs or

1144
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:50,400
his cohorts in exchange for a career

1145
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,020
boost that was all the quid quo pro.

1146
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:55,160
I don't think women on the jury are going to

1147
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,060
go along with that.

1148
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:58,520
But when you combine that with threats of

1149
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,060
violence and actual violence, Harvey,

1150
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,760
please, hiding women away in remote areas so

1151
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,740
their bruises could heal, they're going to

1152
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:09,320
hear that.

1153
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,600
The jury's going to hear that.

1154
00:48:10,860 --> 00:48:14,460
We should want, as a society, to question the

1155
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:15,600
validity of an allegation.

1156
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:17,480
Doesn't mean smearing somebody.

1157
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,700
It simply means, how come you never said this

1158
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:20,560
to anyone for 20 years?

1159
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,380
What's up, bro?

1160
00:48:21,860 --> 00:48:22,720
Good, man.

1161
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:24,420
Happy Wednesday to you, bro.

1162
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,720
Thank you, man.

1163
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,100
I have interviewed a lot of people for this

1164
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:33,100
documentary, and a lot of them have said game

1165
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:35,480
over after they saw the Cassie video.

1166
00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:39,920
Does this compel you to put him on the stand

1167
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,080
and explain it?

1168
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,940
I don't know that I could keep him off the

1169
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:45,200
stand.

1170
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:49,860
I think he is very eager to tell his story,

1171
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:52,220
and I think he will tell every part of his

1172
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:54,860
story, including what you see on the video.

1173
00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:57,560
So I expect it's going to be explained by the

1174
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,080
both of us.

1175
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:01,300
The thing that's missing from this story is the

1176
00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:03,680
overall context of the entire situation.

1177
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:06,760
And when that context is appreciated, what people

1178
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,360
are going to see, clearly, this was a long-term,

1179
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,100
loving, intense relationship that had mutual

1180
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,040
infidelities.

1181
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,800
And that is the reason why you see some of what

1182
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,400
you see, you know, on the video.

1183
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,200
It's kind of breathtaking that what you're telling

1184
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,460
me is that Diddy is going to take the stand, and he will

1185
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:32,800
be cross-examined about this video, about the violence in

1186
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,680
the video, about the freak-offs, about allegedly blowing up

1187
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,020
a car, all of those things.

1188
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:42,380
And that feels kind of dicey.

1189
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:44,800
He has his story.

1190
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:49,200
And he has a story that I think only he can tell in the way he can

1191
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,660
tell it in real time.

1192
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:52,280
And it's a human story.

1193
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,340
It's a story of love.

1194
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,060
It's a story of hurt.

1195
00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:58,540
It's a story of heartbreak.

1196
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:03,000
I mean, when he describes that relationship, the word he uses more

1197
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,440
than any other word is heartbreak.

1198
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,620
He was heartbroken.

1199
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,920
She was heartbroken.

1200
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:22,540
What kind of a jury does Sean Combs want?

1201
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:25,600
Men, women, white, black?

1202
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:28,420
Is it more complicated than that?

1203
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:37,800
The best jury for Sean Combs is a very diverse jury and perhaps a

1204
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,420
jury that is primarily male.

1205
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:46,520
He 100% wants black people on the jury, people that understand where

1206
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,320
he comes from and the hard work and dedication that he had to show

1207
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,780
to rise to the level of prominence where he currently is.

1208
00:50:54,780 --> 00:51:02,580
He wants people that respond to celebrity, success, fame, power.

1209
00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:11,480
I find, as a former sex crimes prosecutor and someone who's tried these cases,

1210
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:17,160
sometimes women are the harshest critic of women and the most, you know,

1211
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:21,620
severe judge of the credibility of other women making accusations.

1212
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:30,220
Honestly, older black women from Brooklyn, you know, where I'm from, where he's from,

1213
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:32,080
they're street smart.

1214
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,480
You want street smart jurors is what you want here.

1215
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:35,800
What kind of jury do you want?

1216
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:43,480
I want people who've gone out and had a life with romance and love and loss and

1217
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:49,820
cheating and heartbreak on, on their own, because that is the person who's going to see this for

1218
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:50,660
what it is.

1219
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,160
And this is all about those things.

1220
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,600
You mentioned earlier about a racial component here.

1221
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,180
Do you want black people on this jury?

1222
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,640
I've never been one to, to, to do that when picking a jury.

1223
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,200
I want people who are sensitive to the issues that I think are important.

1224
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,340
Would you be open to a plea bargain?

1225
00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:18,920
Well, it's not up to me.

1226
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,520
It's up, it's up to Mr. Combs.

1227
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,980
And I, I don't, I don't see it happening.

1228
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Why?

1229
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,520
Because he believes he's innocent.

1230
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,400
He believes he's innocent.

1231
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:33,680
And, and, and, and what's more, he believes that he needs to stand up, not just for himself,

1232
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:39,780
for his family, and for everybody who's been targeted by the, the federal government.

1233
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,820
He feels an obligation to those people to say, you know what?

1234
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,660
Maybe I can break the model.

1235
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,300
Maybe I can show the world that a black man can win, you know, in federal court.

1236
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:56,580
And I think he probably is the only person I know of who might be able to actually accomplish that.

1237
00:52:57,660 --> 00:52:58,260
Now, Diddy!

1238
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,320
That's really Diddy, bro.

1239
00:53:01,180 --> 00:53:02,860
Diddy was denied bail.

1240
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,400
This trial could be a year out.

1241
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:13,060
So this man went from, you know, a person of incredible wealth and means.

1242
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:14,940
Sean, to the right, up top.

1243
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,660
Over the shoulder, Willie!

1244
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:24,860
To somebody who is now in a very small jail cell, mostly in isolation.

1245
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,020
That must be beyond jarring.

1246
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:35,820
It has to be, you know, pretty eye-opening to wake up in a cell when you were living on Star Island,

1247
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,500
one of the most exclusive places in the world to live.

1248
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,220
But, again, I think it goes back to that Cassie video in the hotel.

1249
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:52,900
Anyone who has seen that video thinks to themself, I'm glad Diddy is sitting there eating his bologna sandwich on his very hard cot.

1250
00:53:53,420 --> 00:53:54,980
What's his state of mind right now?

1251
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,360
His state of mind is actually remarkably positive.

1252
00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:01,220
I spend several hours with him every day.

1253
00:54:01,340 --> 00:54:03,880
I'm going to leave you and go see him now.

1254
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,800
And his resolve is strong.

1255
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:08,380
He's engaged.

1256
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,920
He's focused on his defense.

1257
00:54:10,220 --> 00:54:11,580
And we see him every day.

1258
00:54:11,860 --> 00:54:17,500
And he has come to terms with the fact that this is where he is for now.

1259
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:20,620
We are trying to get this matter to trial as soon as possible.

1260
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:33,500
Whether he skates on federal charges or not, is it game over for him in terms of his career because of the Cassie video?

1261
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,840
There's no returning from this.

1262
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:43,760
I mean, how can you look at that video and then, you know, have anybody take you seriously or want to sit across a table at the boardroom?

1263
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
Even just that video is enough.

1264
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Nothing else may materialize.

1265
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:52,280
He may be found not guilty for anything moving forward past the video.

1266
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,240
But I think his reputation is over.

1267
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,920
I think his career is over.

1268
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,980
And America loves a good comeback story.

1269
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,440
I think this may be the exception to that rule.

1270
00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:05,560
You know, he just listened to every record.

1271
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:13,040
He gave me his input on what could make the records that he did comment on all the way classy and just reached their full potential.

1272
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:21,520
Nobody's ever going to be able to take it away from Puff that he had a hand and was incredibly important in the career of so many important artists.

1273
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,660
As I lay down, I'm almost like I'll cop it, stop it.

1274
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,480
If you think they're going to make a profit.

1275
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:29,120
When you got a lot of cars, don't even drive no more.

1276
00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:31,460
When you expect it to win, they ain't surprise no more.

1277
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:39,680
Yeah, what you know about going out head west?

1278
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,940
Grand XTV talking to head west.

1279
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:59,360
The artistic contribution of so many of these artists that he brought to the forefront was so gigantic that it's kind of hard to imagine anyone being able to take that away from him.

1280
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:03,120
But at the same time, I mean, we've kind of seen it with Russell Simmons.

1281
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,620
We've certainly seen it with R. Kelly.

1282
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:11,480
R. Kelly is spending more time in prison after being sentenced federally for child pornography and enticement of minors for sex.

1283
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:22,980
As time goes by and people become uncomfortable with celebrating your contributions, it's just going to be more and more difficult for people to have a conversation about Diddy without bringing up all of this negative shit as well.

1284
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:23,860
It's an asterisk.

1285
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:26,380
It doesn't negate what you've been able to achieve.

1286
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,220
Far be it for me to ever act like it.

1287
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:30,160
I mean, I dance to quite a lot of those songs.

1288
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,240
I'm not going to be a hypocrite.

1289
00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:32,520
Nothing about me is a hypocrite.

1290
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:40,880
He is an icon.

1291
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,320
He has been an icon all these years, and he is an icon with an asterisk now.

1292
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,320
You can be a phenomenal musician and a monster.

1293
00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:53,440
I don't care about his legacy.

1294
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:56,300
I don't give a flying fig about his legacy.

1295
00:56:56,300 --> 00:57:04,100
His legacy is as a sex abuser with probably hundreds, if not more, victims.

1296
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:05,620
That's his legacy.

1297
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:08,860
Don't ask me anymore about his Hollywood legacy.

1298
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:09,580
I don't care.

1299
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:22,460
We're talking about a guy that did a hell of a lot for the black culture, for the culture in general.

1300
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:24,380
We're not going to label any color on it.

1301
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:26,520
We're going to say for the culture, right?

1302
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,660
Black excellence.

1303
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:33,580
Tequila made by a black man.

1304
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:36,960
Give everybody jobs, schools.

1305
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:43,780
It was a dream of mine to come back to my neighborhood and open up a school in Harlem.

1306
00:57:43,780 --> 00:57:47,480
He really meant something to black people.

1307
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:56,040
He was an inspirational figure where people wanted to aspire to be like him, to have that degree

1308
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:03,280
of success, to be able to buy a giant compound in a state in the Hamptons and throw white parties

1309
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,880
every year and invite every single A-list celebrity and have your own jet.

1310
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,120
All black, everything.

1311
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,080
All black crew.

1312
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:14,180
Greatest pilots in the world.

1313
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:19,200
I mean, look, it's the uber-American dream to be able to do something like that.

1314
00:58:19,340 --> 00:58:22,000
So he was a giant, huge role model for a lot of people.

1315
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,420
And now he's fallen from that perch.

1316
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:26,740
You build him up, you tear him down.

1317
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:33,740
But I think, sadly, he gave folks the, you know, ammunition to be able to tear him down.

1318
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,000
Hello.

1319
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:37,600
Good morning.

1320
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:39,640
Hello.

1321
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:42,220
Good evening.

1322
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:49,540
Is Diddy concerned about his legacy, given everything that's come out already, even if

1323
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:50,360
he's found not guilty?

1324
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,540
That's a very good question.

1325
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:56,020
And honestly, I haven't asked him that.

1326
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,000
I'm going to venture an answer.

1327
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,800
I think he views his legacy as being a fighter.

1328
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I think he views his legacy as someone who's worked very, very hard to get everything that

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he earned.

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And if he can work hard and earn a not guilty verdict in the eyes of 12 New Yorkers, I think

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that would be consistent with his legacy.

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He's not a secret, but I think he views it if the Patriots are wrong with it.

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Yeah.

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We'll be right back.

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We'll be right back.