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You
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You
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Say to West Virginia
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Issued e I do font company upper me
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For them to run their contaminated wastewater down through two farms here out into this stream of water
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This is a 151 of these animals that died on this farm up here since this stuff been coming down through this water
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But they won't try to keep everything hushed up I got some kind of big secret of some kind that they're dumping it in here
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They won't tell us what it is
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They don't want to talk to me because I'm just an old um farmer. I'm not supposed to know anything
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But it's not gonna be covered up because I'm gonna bring it out in the open for people to see
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American production has become the most efficient in the world
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And as a result all factories and industrial plants are turning out in every increasing amount of goods
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Things that people want and need
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DuPont research chemists developed a new and unique white substance the result is the greatest advance in cookware DuPont
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Tephon
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Here are two different types of fry pan this nonstick finish for cookware never needs scouring
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All kinds of burned food come off quickly and easily
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Corn muffins don't stick to Teflon
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Fudge cakes don't stick to Teflon even sticky buns don't stick to Teflon
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Almost nothing sticks to it DuPont Teflon saves me lots of dirty work. It's so easy to clean
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The seal means you pump has approved the finish that it's no stick and easy to clean
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So look for the Teflon to quality see look for this seal look for the seal look for this sticker
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Well, it sounds great. But is it really safe to cook in?
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I
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Was working and I had made an arrangement for you guys to get your pictures taken this one this one right here. Mm-hmm
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I always tell her this picture. It just
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Just look at this and it just
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It says we invaded the third buck you were six years old
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You went to Jeb Stuart Middle School in kindergarten 86 and 87. I just I don't know
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It's I feel so bad for that kid
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Yeah, not because of anything you just because the times were hard
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I knew you guys were working as hard as you could and I'm wearing a velvet green shirt, you know
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I just remember it was my first year of school that I actually went to school with kids
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And I stood out, yep
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That was when you were first born
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How long do they wait to take pictures I'm sure they wanted to get that one taken right away because
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There's a chance that I might not make it. That's what they said
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I
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When Bucky was born I went into shock
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He was born with half of a nose
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one nostril a
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Serrated eyelid and a keyhole pupil where the iris and the retina is not connected
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You could tell he was in distress because he couldn't breathe really well. I
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Was scared to death to hold that baby I was scared he's gonna die my arms
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Your dad didn't stay with me that night. I didn't want him to we just each one of us wanted to be just alone with our thoughts
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You know
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And he you know, he didn't want to go with you or stay with me
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When I was pregnant with Bucky I worked for DuPont around Teflon
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They tried to blame me they said it was something that I did and the more they would tell me that the more suspicious I got
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But I didn't know what I'd been exposed to
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And the first day that I went back to work
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Someone in our locker room said a girl that worked there had a baby that had deformities
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We got to talking about it it was just like Bucky
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She worked around Teflon too
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I
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May the good Lord bless and keep you whether near or far away
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Bill traditional one
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Now like that song my dad used to sing to my mom
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She'd get about a half teed off at him
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You that little beer you are my sunshine
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My only sunshine he can make her cry
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I'm from the Parkersburg, West Virginia been here all my life
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I had enough getting married having children and settling down in this area
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I started with DuPont 1962 and was there
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Almost 40 years and Teflon land
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First time I heard that Teflon might be dangerous
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I was told by a supervisor we fear that it might be detrimental to the women who are pregnant
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So we sent all the women home, but it won't hurt the men. That's first time I
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Well, I not questioning I
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Said don't hurt the man he said I'll know can I you don't worry about far as we know
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Can I have another bottle with that?
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V12 it's one of those. Yeah, we have the 50
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You didn't have colostrum do you you didn't have that day? Yeah, we do
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That's the thing that when I was going through the cancer real bad. I started taking colostrum and
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It helped me get through all surgeries and and all you know, I couldn't hardly get out of the chair. I was so weak
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Well when they removed the women from Teflon it was a big shock to me
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They just don't do that I
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Knew right then it was a big cover-up
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I
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And see all that time when I was pregnant I was in direct contact with the chemicals I
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I
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Did tell him I told him right to their face
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I said I know you're responsible for it and you've lied and they they're still lying
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But I knew I couldn't quit because I needed the insurance
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Bucky needed help right then
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The first surgery I had they they had on my eye
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From the time I was a few months old to five years old I probably had about 30 surgeries
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Initially I accepted it and I just thought I was dealt a bad hand
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I mean I cared about what I looked like obviously I looked in the mirror every single day
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So there were things that I cared about my parents, but my parents were pretty
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They wanted me to be cool with who I was
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I'll back off of you a little bit and there's a handsome-looking guy
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Be 13 January the 15th 13 years old I
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Remember walking into seventh grade the first day of school
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And every person just looking at me
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It's like this is awesome. This is this is great, you know
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And then going through the next phase of that surgery where I had a balloon implanted into my forehead
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And they would fill that up with saline distress the skin
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Which they would bring down and you know use for my nose
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There's no pain that I've ever gone through that was greater than that. I mean migraine times a thousand
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To go home and to have a good life
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I mean migraine times a thousand
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To go home and to have that pain and for my dad to walk in and say hey get up put your hat on
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We're going out
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And I'm like I'm not going out dad. I just got bad out of the hospital. You know, I'm not leaving look at look at me
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Dad he's like you look fine. He's like look we're gonna go out. He's like
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You know those shoes you wanted those those air walks you wanted is like let's go. Let's go pick out a pair
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And
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You know just
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Just thinking about how he never gave up, you know, he always pushed me
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He never wanted me to sulk
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He never wanted me to be down on who I was and my mom was the same way they never they never
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Let me just be affected by it
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They were always leading me through it
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You know, it really didn't bug me too much growing up as a kid I
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Was just you know worried about you know making it through the next day of school
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But it was kind of coming to a point when I was 18 19
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I
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Stopped thinking about how I'd been done a bad hand and that was just my lot in life
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Just thinking about I need an answer. You know, I need to know what's going on. I need to know why this happened
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Don't you notice he's height what you notice what his eyes look like
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They're boring that way
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Now I never saw nothing like this in my life and very unusual
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Wilbur tenant was a farmer who sold part of his land to DuPont
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The piece that DuPont had was adjacent to his property that he continued to own
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In their negotiations around this they said that they were going to use his land for non-hazardous
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Waste but very quickly he noticed changes in the water
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This is what I've been talking about. We haven't had any rain now for several days
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This son has been here for a while
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And he noticed that little things little fish began to die and he began to find dead animals
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And he noticed that little things little fish began to die and he began to find dead animals
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I'm taking dead deer and dead cattle off of this ripple right here
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And every veterinarian that i've called parkisburg they will not return my phone calls or they don't want to get involved
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Actually go ahead and come come come do this right here just give me this document
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For now on the record and that time is 9.01 a.m
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Our opponent today is bernard j. Riley
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Our court reporter is michelle gray will now swear in the limits
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If you charge your right hand do you sell me for the testimony about giving this matter we go home sure nothing but the truth
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Yes, I do
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Well, let's look at lp2
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Yeah, this is to tom adams who's tom adams he's an old friend I met in the army
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Okay, so let's go ahead and read
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The shit is about to hit the fan in west virginia. Go ahead. Why don't you read it because you wrote it sure
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The shit is about to hit the fan in west virginia wv
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The lawyer for the farmer finally realizes this is a fact an issue
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He is threatening to go to the press to embarrass us to pressure for a big bucks
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Want me to read the bad read the bad word. Yeah, it says fuck him. That's what it says
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I apologize to anybody that's sensitive about bad words. Well, you wrote it. I was writing to an old army friend
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So every case in a complex case, there's several parts to it. One part is the workup
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That means finding the documents it means trying to take some basic depositions to find out who did what
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Why did they do certain things? How did they do certain things?
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That's called the discovery process
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The documents in this case
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They really tell the story about what the company knew
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Isn't it a good thing though that the company kept this because we can go back and look at history now
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It is a good thing that they kept these these documents, isn't it? You're saying it's a good thing
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Mr. Papantonio, you can frame frame that any way you want
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The backstory of this case is is is interesting
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It started with a lawyer named rob bellot
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He's a corporate defense lawyer by trade. And so this corporate defense lawyer gets this case and he starts looking at it
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When we got into the litigation with dupont we got access to a lot of the internal documents
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And we found out that dupont and another company called 3m had been studying this chemical dating back to the 1950s and 1960s
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Dr. Cari being handed what's been marked as exhibit 30. I ask you to take a look at that and tell me if you can identify this doc
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Yes, I can
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In his entire limonium perfluoroalkanoate parentheses fc 143 parentheses c8 compounds
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The heart of the case is this plant in west virginia
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They make teflon. They make teflon that is used for all types of sources
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C8 is one of the elements they need to make teflon
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PFOS PFOA c8
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These are all names for this group of miracle chemicals that came out of primarily 3m
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Initially and out of dupont
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I started at dupont in 1981 most of my career was spent in the new product development end
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Teflon is a very generic term. The active ingredient in it is fluorine. You hear the word f in that right
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PFOA
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PFOS anything with the f in it is something you want to be very wary of
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These chemicals have these wondrous properties
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non-stick
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oil repellent
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water repellent
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How do you recall c8 first coming to your attention first recollection?
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I have of it is when the supplier of the chemical or 3m company provided dupont with some information about rats
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That had been subjected to exposure to the chemical
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3m had some
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test data
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Indicating potential birth defects here in the eyes of rat fetuses following exposure to c8 correct. That's correct
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So you you did see
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There was a substantial risk
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To the women at the dupont plant who were exposed to c8 enough to remove them from further exposure, correct? No
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There was no no
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There was no potential risk to the women
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Based upon the 3m study. There was a potential risk to the fetus
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So
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Flight to parkersburg wv
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Another long meeting to describe to the plant folks where the guy who was suing us over his cattle grazing downstream
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Of our landfill would crucify us before a jury
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Most simply do not believe how big and bad we would look and how sympathetic the farmer would look before a jury
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Even though he is a con man
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You call him mr. Tennant a con man
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This is a letter to my son. I can tell you but are you calling the con man to his face?
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And when you called him a con man, did you know how many of his cattle had died
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The short answer is I did not know how many of his cattle had died within a couple years his entire herd died
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For Tennant it was his livelihood
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So
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Advantages of settling do you see that yes
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It says c8 in the stream. We never told them right see that
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That's what it says
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So
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When did you first become involved with a pfo or c8 was first aware of it prior to 1977
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Knowing that
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Perflurinated materials had been found in in human blood
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At first 3m and du pont were checking to see the contamination levels of their workers
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And so naturally they needed to control they needed to compare those workers blood levels of ca with the population
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So they could see what the difference was
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So they started going to archived blood supplies and checking to see what clean blood
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Versus the blood of their workers might look like
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There was no clean blood
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They tested kids they tested adults they went to asia they went all over the world and everywhere they looked practically
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They found their chemicals in people's blood
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Eventually they did find some clean blood
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It turned out it was the blood that had been taken from army recruits and archived saved at the start of the korean war
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That blood was clean because the teflon chemicals weren't out into the environment at that point
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The main sources of excreta were the
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That blood was clean because the teflon chemicals weren't out into the environment at that point
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The main sources of exposure are still something of a mystery
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The likely culprits though are industrial waste
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And the consumer products that shed this material over time
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And
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Today
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Every baby probably on the planet, but certainly in the developed world where all of these chemicals are widely used
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Every baby is born with at least some level of c8 of p-phosph and p-phoa in their in their blood
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That's the the the essence of exposure lifelong exposure
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And it's involuntary no one said hey, you know i'm i'm good with a little teflon chemical
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In my baby's blood no one said that they said I love these pans
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We think of these chemicals as associated with 3m and du pont but
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They also had sold them to other companies that manufactured consumer products manufacturing products
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It was used in airplanes and cars on and on the applications were endless
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Workers are now using teflon to rust proof the inside of the statue of liberty
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I found that these chemicals could bond paper products to make food wraps grease proof wraps cookie bags
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One of the largest companies had patents for making popcorn bags
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Thousands of facilities including the furniture store down the street that sprayed a non-stick chemical on your couch to keep stains off
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All of those places became environmental contamination sites
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And today a product that you'll find teflon is in clothing and things gore-tex is the brand name
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And then you realize that companies in asia and in europe were starting to make these chemicals as well
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This crisis have been growing for decades. I think with a chemical that potentially
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Uh is bio-persistent you pay particularly close attention to it
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Bio-accumulation bio-persistence. Those are fancy words for it. What do you mean by bio-persistent?
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When you die and they bury you you're gonna have it in your blood
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Ca seem to have a long half life in humans
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Sunlight doesn't break them down microbes don't break them down heat doesn't break them down. Nothing breaks them down
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They called this fluorine chemical the devil's piss. It was so potent
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Once it gets into your system, it remains in your blood
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My gut tells me the bio-persistence issue will kill us
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Because of an overwhelming public attitude that anything that is bio-persistent is harmful
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And so naturally these teflon and scotch guard chemicals permeated the living world
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So
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We didn't know it at the time but the evidence showed that 3m and du pont they knew all about
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Wow
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Wow what a lovely bunch of coconuts, okay
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Stay on the gym floor the boundary of the gym floor
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You ready?
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Yeah
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Ouch what'd you do boy?
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Five five five. Whoa. Hey good job. Good job. Good job. Yeah
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I love kids. Of course. I'm a school teacher, you know
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And that's the thing that drove me more than anything
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You know, I don't consider myself a whistleblower
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more or less a fact finder
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Joe has a courtyard out back. He calls it his man cave and we were out there just talking on a normal day
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I know what it was is october
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I'd gone to the mailbox that afternoon
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And I saw this envelope
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And it was from lubec public water department
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I opened it and there was a letter in with my water bill stating that du pont needed to notify us
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There was a chemical in our water
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They called it c8. I thought what's this about?
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I read it I really didn't give it much thought
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Du pont says according to their standards, it's healthy. Hey, okay du pont says it's safe. It's safe white question this
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Is
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I was testing c8 as soon as I started in the lab more or less
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From the get-go. They always picked on me for new jobs. They always give them to me because they knew I'd do it
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I'd learn it
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Where I was at I was isolated. I mean it was a big room
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With huge cylinders that were full of c8 and they would bubble over
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So you can think of it like a bubble bath out of control
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That's the best way of describing it
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After they made the teflon it had water that was discharged from it
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My job was to pump it out back
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So it would go directly to the river
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As
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C8 was being used at that du pont plant 3m told du pont that under no circumstances
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Should you put it in waterways? It's right there in the document. Don't put this in the waterways
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But at the end of the day they start dumping so much c8 ends in the water
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That they at one point lose track of how much they've actually put out there
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So
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Du pont wanted to figure out how far it had seeped beyond its plant
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So a team of folks went out with some jugs plastic jars and went to general stores and went miles down river
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To collect samples
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They found that in fact the chemical had gone quite far from the plant
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So they went back to the plant and they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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And they found that the chemical had gone far beyond the plant
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So when we got the letter within the next few weeks a friend of ours talked about
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Granddaughter's teeth turning black and they couldn't understand it
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Then looked over and there's my neighbor's dog's tumors all over him. He couldn't explain he said never seemed like
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Every time I see somebody get sick it wasn't just a cold or a flu
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I heard about you know these young guys two of them having testicular cancer in the area
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It got to the point where something just I I did something just didn't feel right
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And for some reason don't ask me why or what but that letter kept hanging in the back of my head
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I couldn't get it out of my head
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I thought well shoot i'll just call department of natural resources i'll ask him what it is
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Didn't know anything about it. Well it's not my field. I thought boy that's a strange attitude
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I got a hold of the clean water people. I went to the wellhead people
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Department of health and god I mean I got shut off on him
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I got a hold of the clean water people. I went to the wellhead people department of health and god
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I mean I got shut off on them
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I told darlene I said honey something's not right here
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So I called du pont talked to head toxicologist for 45 minutes
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I hung the phone up darlene said well what did you find out I said I was just fed the biggest line of bs
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I think I've ever been fed
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We heard that very early in the production of teflon products
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There was a manufacturer up in the midwest who called and said we want you to come over here and look at this
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We're heating up this teflon
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And we heard this pounding noise on the roof
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It sounded like a hailstorm
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Was a flock of birds as they were flying over where the vent was they just dropped out of the sky
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and
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By 1984 the company knew that the material was going into the ohio river
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It's going up into the air and we're telling the community about it
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The particles in the air that came up into our old lab
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We always wondered what it was. It wasn't dust. It was a white kind of material
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It's all over the plant in the air
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I think that's how it happened
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When they cut me for the cancer they took all my rectum part of my colon
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Your whole life your whole life's completely different, you know
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You don't sit on the toilet ever again
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I
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Changed this thing three or four times a day sometimes five. So this is everyday life for me
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They told me two months to live and i'm lucky to be here telling the story
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That's why you called and requested that I go ahead and schedule a deposition so you'd have a chance to testify while you
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were still alive
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And before I die I want to get this out
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When you're down there in the teflon lab, um, did you work with a lot of other people that have been sick or died early?
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One of my good friends carol caplinger
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He had leukemia of the blood
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He died how old was he he's only 50 47 50
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Anybody else
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Uh jim broadwater
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The last time I seen him they they were taking him to cleveland clinic and he died up there. How old was he?
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50
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Pat anchorm she worked b shift
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And she passed away joy weaver. They had him on chemo. I knew him all my teflon don lutz
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Lana frank out daryl cronin secretary. How old was he?
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30s and I lost a good friend. He was
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He loved baseball. He used cliff spiker steve bailey alona carl. She passed away paul rattleball is gone
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Glenn pepper is gone. Smith's gone. Jim ewey. He had uh tumors show up
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Month later he died
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Is there any doubt in your mind that all of these people were exposed to c8 based upon your personal observation
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The best of my ability I say they were all
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Life's precious
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And to see somebody you'd work with every day my friends die that's hard
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My heart
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That was that was that was devastating
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I
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Just a handkerchief for a sweaty fat guy
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It's one thing that uh, I've never had to buy
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Our handkerchiefs because my dad was a pastor. So he took them all the time. So all my handkerchiefs are my dad's
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Actually the the church we go to he started it. Yeah
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Yeah
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He passed away in 2008 so yeah
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You good I just need to get some bottled water cool
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I was probably about 19
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When I think we met the summer before we got married so it was 2002, okay
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So we met then the funny thing is we didn't like each other at all did not absolutely opposite
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I was I became friends, you know with people that knew him and they had us meet and I was like no and he was
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Like no and it was kind of like I kind of pursued after her and it was more like hitting a brick wall
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She didn't really say no
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He finally started leaving me alone was the thing
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And um, I kind of could see more of who he really was
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that he really was just funny and a gentleman and he treated people with respect and
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Like once he finally started leaving me alone. I could see that and then I started liking him
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We were engaged like maybe maybe two months after I started liking him
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I
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That day was beautiful
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His father was still here
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We were very proud of him both of them bucking and maling
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Does everybody have the verse yes, yes, okay verse
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You are good
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All the time
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Whatever happened, you know made him who he was and it didn't I guess didn't really matter to me
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And I guess later when we thought about a future family, you know, you just all that stuff goes through your head
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You know when you're like this is the person i'm gonna marry and
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You know, is this gonna affect our lives?
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And I remember it more bothering him
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And him saying
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How he would never I don't want to cry
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He would never want to have a kid
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Have to go through all that he went through as a kid
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You know, I didn't want it to hinder him
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Wanting to start a family even though it was a concern for us in reality
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Before we started trying we wanted to see how high his c8 levels were and what was in his bloodstream
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They had a special geneticist come in and you know, it was
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Kind of like my biggest fear
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You know being manifest right in front of my eyes
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His levels were so much higher higher than even what his mom has in her bloodstream
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He said that there was at least a 50 chance that it could be passed on to the babies
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You know that they could end up with exactly what he went through
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Okay, but it says big announcement go ahead and read that next to the last uh paragraph big announcement 3m two days ago
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It is going to stop making scotch card because it is too persistent in the environment and gets into our blood
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They then told us they are going to stop making a related product that is an essential ingredient in the teflon polymer
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Also is very persistent and also gets into blood but so far no signs. It has hurt anyone
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If it does we are really in the soup because essentially everyone is exposed one way or the other
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The first time we came across this issue was may of 2000
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and it was just a short little story that 3m had decided to
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replace
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the chemistry
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That was underneath scotch guard with something else and that this was going to cost them
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Hundreds of millions of dollars in that year
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3m was presenting to the u.s. EPA some information that had just come in some rat studies
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With pfos and the widespread presence of the chemical being found in the blood as well
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And epa was expressing concerns about that data
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And
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So 3m and the epa hammered out an agreement where they would voluntarily take pfoA and pfos off the market
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At the time the best producer of the perfluorochemicals was 3m
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DuPont looked at that business and I was there at the time and they said yahoo the king is dead
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And in fact within a few months
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DuPont made a decision not only to continue using pfoA but to actually begin manufacturing
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PfoA at its facility in North Carolina, correct?
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I don't recall the exactly timing or phasing but you're correct within some period of time we concluded to
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manufacture the product
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And to continue using the product
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So
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Rob Belot the attorney who was working on the tenning case at that time came across this
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Announcement of 3m's decision and that in fact is when he made the connection
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To the company that was responsible for the production of the product
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And the company that was responsible for the production of the product
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And the company that was responsible for the production of the product
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And the company that was responsible for the production of the product
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And the company that was responsible for the production of the product
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Rob Belot would fight DuPont to disclose documents that had anything relevant to this chemistry
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As these documents came to his possession he would send the most relevant ones directly to EPA
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DuPont tried to get a gag order from a judge to stop him because they knew that he had the goods
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He knew what was going on with their chemical and could nail them down here
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It says that Belot has given 130 of our worst documents that he got in discovery to EPA
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You see that 130? Yes. Now. What are the worst documents if you were to look at the DuPont documents?
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How would you consider them worst documents? I'm not entirely sure I have recollections. I assume they're the toxicology documents
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All the way back to the 60s they are aware, clearly aware of the risk of the product
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All the way back to the 60s they are aware, clearly aware of the risk of the product
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Their own documents show that this is a toxin
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They continued to find toxicity effects through the late 1960s
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By 1988 they started doing cancer studies
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In that particular study increased rate of Leydig cell tumors were found, correct?
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In that particular study increased rate of Leydig cell tumors were found, correct?
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Their studies were showing rats dying, dogs dying, monkeys dying
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Their studies were showing rats dying, dogs dying, monkeys dying
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They were seeing testicular tumors, liver disease, pancreatic disease
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They were seeing testicular tumors, liver disease, pancreatic disease
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Unfortunately monkeys even at the lowest dose were dying after being exposed to PFOA
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Unfortunately monkeys even at the lowest dose were dying after being exposed to PFOA
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And they know that these primate studies have a direct relationship to what we'll find in the human population
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Dupont itself had classified PFOA as a confirmed animal carcinogen, possible human carcinogen
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All of this information was clear evidence that should have been disclosed under federal law
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All of this information was clear evidence that should have been disclosed under federal law
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All of this information was clear evidence that should have been disclosed under federal law
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But those documents didn't show up at EPA at all
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When they began to show up as a result of this court case
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That's when everything changed
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When do you cross the threshold from convenient to dangerous?
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That's what the Environmental Protection Agency is trying to determine with a very popular chemical in almost every household
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They just started digging
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Finally I talked to the National Environmental Protection Agency
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And when I read the gentleman the letter he said I'm going to send you some information
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And when I do he said I want you to read it very carefully because after you read it you'll probably want to contact a lawyer
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I said whoa okay next day I got it in the mail I opened it
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And I read the information and what it was it was on the tenant case
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This is what our teeth looks like
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The key part of that was is when they said the cattle their teeth had turned black and I thought wait a minute
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The key part of that was is when they said the cattle their teeth had turned black and I thought wait a minute
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They talked about the kids teeth turning black
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I started putting two and two together and I looked up in the corner and I saw Rob Belott's name up there
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I started putting two and two together and I looked up in the corner and I saw Rob Belott's name up there
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So I said I'm going to call this guy
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It says learn in the deposition that Earl Tennant uses Lubeck drinking water
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It says learn in the deposition that Earl Tennant uses Lubeck drinking water
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And we know that Belott has requested information from a Lubeck water company
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You see that? I see that yes
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So this letter it had a legal purpose
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So this letter it had a legal purpose
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According to West Virginia law two years after this letter went out the statute of limitations would run out
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And then you go on to say the real danger is what steps Belott might take to expand the number of plaintiffs
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And introduce new environmental allegations into this lawsuit
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And if he does what will the court allow him to do?
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The public had two years to respond if there was no response the case was legally dead
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Time to wake up tomorrow but then more rain will come to your forecast tomorrow
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87 your high temperature and we'll keep that pattern up throughout the rest of the week
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Rob calls me from Cincinnati Airport he said
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My law firm wants to take this case on
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He said do you want to take it on as a class action or do you want to take it on as a civil?
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I said I've just got a gut feeling something's not right here
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I said where do we get the most help for the most people?
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He said class action I said let's do her
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I said no absolutely not because because of the involvement with my ex-husband and because the involvement of our children
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My ex-husband worked at DuPont so anything that might cause them any kind of pain or anything I just didn't want them to be involved
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But I could see it in Joe's eyes
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And he said I really think you need to do it I said if you want me to I will I'll do it for you
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But we've got to be very protective and very careful
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Everybody in this area in one way or another is connected to DuPont
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You go dealing with somebody's livelihood which is their job which is their insurance and their protection
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And you go messing with that you're gonna have problems
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You can't walk into a restaurant or any gathering here in Parkersburg
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And not run into somebody that either worked at DuPont, has a relative that worked at DuPont, has a good friend that worked at DuPont
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The net profit for all this if you want to turn it to money is better schools, better educational system
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DuPont helped fortify the city of Parkersburg
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DuPont is very good at locking up the town
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When there is something that's not going their way they'll help the schools, they'll talk to the churches, they're very big on the PR
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They have an unbelievable reputation for safety, good jobs, great benefits, good citizens
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I mean everybody thought they could do no wrong
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DuPont was my idol, I used to cut grass for DuPoners when I was young
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But I don't blame them, it's the people who run the company, the people who make the decisions
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I should have opened my eyes, but I love DuPont so much that I felt they wouldn't put me in harm's way
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We want to believe corporate America
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It's too horrible to believe that every day we get up we're at the mercy of a corporation who might lie to us, who might poison us, who might create a product that's going to kill us for profit
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There is consensus reached that the issue which will decide future action is one of corporate image and corporate liability
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Liability was further defined as the incremental liability from this point on if we do nothing as we are already liable for the past 32 years of operation
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See that?
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In 1984, they already admit we have been liable for 32 years
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They had made a money decision
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On the next page, looking ahead, legal and medical will most likely take a position to make a decision
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They have no incentive to take any other position
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See that?
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Yes
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The product group will take a position that the business cannot afford it
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We know that there was a discussion about do we need to come up with something in our Teflon production that's not going to be a product
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And they conclude if we launch something new, it's going to cost us a lot of money
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We have to stick with C8
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C8 is the devil we know
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I think they recognized that Teflon was a very significant part of the business
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It all boils down to economics
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Let's just ignore the situation and continue using PFOA
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Because nobody is going to force us to stop it
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It's called externalizing cost
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We want to make all the profits at DuPont
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And we want to pass all the risk, all the illness, all the suffering, all the cost of cleanup onto the taxpayers
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We're having spaghetti, I'm sorry
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Well, I am too
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It's leftover, so you know it'll be good
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Everybody goes through life thinking water's safe
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You go in and get it out of your sink and think, ah
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To think that an advanced country like we live in, you wouldn't think of it being polluted or dangerous
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It's a sad situation
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It's terrible that you have to be concerned about the water you drink
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The Ohio River comes down through Parkersburg and goes toward us
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Supplying the people in Evans with their water
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Evans is approximately 40 miles from the Parkersburg DuPont plant
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It's a very dangerous place
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It's a very dangerous place
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It's a very dangerous place
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It's a very dangerous place
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It's approximately 40 miles from the Parkersburg DuPont plant
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Parkersburg was certainly contaminated with chemicals, C8, correct?
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Um, I don't know if I would characterize it that way
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50,000 pounds annually put into the river is not a contamination
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At one point, DuPont came out and said,
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If your drinking water is showing more than one part per billion of C8, then you better not drink the water
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Let me give you an idea what that is
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It's one drop of C8 in an Olympic-sized pool
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Well, there's a hell of a lot more than that in people's water in the Ohio River Valley
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Probably around 98 or 99, my thyroid gland was causing the problem
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And high cholesterol?
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I had high cholesterol
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But, um, and I was having problems with my valves
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And they came up with a real bad case of ulcerative colitis
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You have an ulcer in your colon, and it will start to bleed every so often
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And when it does, you better be in your bathroom
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If you don't, you're going to have an embarrassing situation
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He couldn't get it under control
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His doctor told me, he said, it's amazing that he has not gotten cancer from it
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He said, it's inevitable it's going to happen from this, but...
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It's not going to happen now because I don't have a colon
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He took my colon, said, I don't have a colon catcher
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You know, I was always thinking that one day I could retire and enjoy life and we could travel
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But not anymore
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I don't talk about this situation very often
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I don't tell other people about it, but, uh...
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It's changed my whole life
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The
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He had no intention of hurting the DuPont Corporation when he agreed to be part of a suit challenging the health effects of C8
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It was a class action suit
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On behalf of, it turned out, six different water districts
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And tens of thousands of people
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Everybody said, well, we know it was a bunch of crap
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You know, DuPont wouldn't poison anybody
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The shop talk was that Joe was out to get filthy rich
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We've had some resistance, I mean, far as being shunned
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Wife got a phone call one day and the guy gets on there and starts cussing her out
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This is awful, you're doing this, there's not a thing wrong with that water
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What are you, brow-beating poor DuPont like this?
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And we've heard it from people in that area
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Teflon, that famous brand name known for nonstick surfaces, may pose health risk
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The EPA has...
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As the story began to break, DuPont scientists were working to produce public pronouncements saying, look, we've taken a look at it
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It's nothing to be concerned about
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Based on our assessment of the science, we do not believe this posed any cancer risk
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Chemicals that have an effect in animals don't necessarily have a similar effect in humans
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First of all, DuPont put together this team of legal experts and scientists to defend their chemical
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And it was led by someone named Mike McCabe
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Sometime during 2000, you became the US EPA Deputy Administrator, correct?
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I received a commission from the President to be the Deputy Administrator
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Before that, I was Acting Administrator
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And in 2003, you began working through McCabe and Associates for DuPont, correct?
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Correct
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Mike McCabe had been the number two guy at EPA
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And he got other former EPA folks with him, and they really pushed back
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There was a revolving door that was taking place between DuPont and the EPA
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DuPont had basically gained control of governmental decisions
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The ask, you see the ask and then ask is in quotes
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In our opinion, the only voice that can cut through the negative stories is the voice of EPA
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The governmental agencies that should have been responsible, the EPA, those people were captured by DuPont
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It's called corporate capture
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They're sharing documents, they're showing each other things before they happen
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DuPont folks are requesting quotes from the EPA to put in their own press releases
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Subject, urgent, see that?
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Coverage has been broad in print and network media
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Significant disruptions in our markets and our consumers are very concerned
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We need EPA to quickly, like first thing tomorrow, say the following
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Consumer products sold under the Teflon brand are safe
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Further to date there are no human health effects known to be caused by PFOA
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DuPont did in fact ask EPA to make those statements, correct?
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That's correct
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So all of a sudden the EPA says, oh yeah, we'll do whatever you want us to do
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Which is complete scam, utter scam
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And it was very successful
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As for all those pots and pans in the homes of Americans, both DuPont and the federal government say
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There's no need right now, Elizabeth, to throw them out
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No need to throw them out, but it seems like plenty of need for concern
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The new mobile year two?
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Yep
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Year three
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We might
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Do you want to hear baby's heartbeat first?
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Yes, that would be awesome
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Say good luck
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He's moving
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He moved a lot
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He's moving
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He's moving
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He's moving
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He's moving
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He's moving
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He's moving
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He moved a lot
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So if you can get a face shot, that would be awesome
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Down
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You have to use your imagination
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Hand, eye, forehead
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I want to see two nostrils
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We can try, let's see
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I don't know how this will come out on him, but we can try
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Let me give it a shot
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I will say this is something we really had to pray about
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To know are we going to take the next step and have children
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Yeah
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There's definitely been some struggles with it
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Basically the bottom line was there's a 50% chance that everything is going to be fine
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Yeah
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I don't think I'm going to be able to because his hands are right there
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This is, he has his hand kind of over his face like this
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So that's why you can't see his nose, this is his eyelid
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He doesn't want to cooperate
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Nope, he does not want to cooperate
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I'm going to take a dip
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I pray that our child doesn't have any type of deformities
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And that he's 100% healthy
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But we're ready for it
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I live my whole life for this, so you know, who better
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I'm going to take a dip
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Be okay
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So that's like one side of his face
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Okay
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How is this right here?
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You got it upside down
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Yeah
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But she tried, tried to get a profile
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She was like, come on
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She was like wiggling on my stomach trying to get him to take his hands down from his face
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And he wouldn't do it
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He kept like going back up like this
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He was scared
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Can't imagine him holding the baby and the baby being his
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And Melinda's
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They've been married for 12 years
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I know that they held back for so long
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I just wish his father was here to see it
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It's going to be okay, really
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Yeah, I know, I just
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I miss my dad
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I know it
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I'd love just to talk to him about this
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In 2005, we got the call from DuPont
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They say that, you know, that they want to mediate
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Of course, we went through negotiations and everything for the settlement, settlement amount
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Now the implementation phase of the settlement in that case begins
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Generally with the settlement, people just want to be done with it
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And that's what we're doing
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We're just going to have to get the settlement done
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Generally with the settlement, people just want to be done with it
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They want to get their cash, they want to walk
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Because it's usually a long time coming
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But what happened in the case of C8 was really radically different
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Rather than just take that money provided by DuPont under the settlement
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And divide it up among the class members and walk away
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What we decided to do was set up something we called the C8 Science Panel
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The community wanted to see the C8 Science Panel
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And they wanted to see the C8 Science Panel
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And they wanted to see the C8 Science Panel
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And they wanted to see the C8 Science Panel
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The C8 Science Panel
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The community wanted to know
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Does drinking PFOA actually have links to human disease?
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.400
The settlement is far from the end of the C8 case
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It merely sets in the motion of blood test process
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Which six different water districts are eligible to take
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That was a sacrifice on the part of the people who had won the money
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But it was one that could have turned out paying off for everybody in the world
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You have to remember that DuPont has spread C8 all over the planet at this point
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The Science Panel was important to determine exactly how bad this stuff is
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I said if this stuff is harming people and they know full well what's going on
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We owe it to these people to get this thing right
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According to the settlement, any of those people in these six water districts
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Could sue if this Science Panel could prove whether the exposures had caused any harm
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DuPont remains confident the test results will prove C8 is safe
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But a lot depends on how many take the test
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It's my belief that when DuPont settled this case
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They had predetermined that no epidemiological study
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Could be done large enough to ever get a link
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And with no link, the jury comes back, you're innocent
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And you could never be tried again
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The problem is when you ask people to volunteer for a study
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Not many people are going to show up
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And so who's going to do this?
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We want to get this thing up and running because the momentum was there
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The case of it settled
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So we put a lot of information out in ads and pamphlets
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You name it, every type of media we could get our hand
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We flooded the market
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Healthy drinking water is vital to all of us
01:09:05.400 --> 01:09:09.400
That's why scientists need to know if the chemical C8 causes any health problems
01:09:09.400 --> 01:09:12.400
By completing a health questionnaire and adding your blood test
01:09:12.400 --> 01:09:16.400
You can help and you may be paid up to $400
01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:19.400
To get started, call 1-800-600
01:09:19.400 --> 01:09:25.400
We ended up also using that money to pay class members to come in
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And have their blood tested for PFOA
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And to provide access to their medical information
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This daughter of a DuPont worker is ready to cash her $400 check
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That's not too shabby coming in around November for Christmas for a lot of families
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If the research ends up showing that C8 is a major medical problem
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Up to 8,000 West Virginia and Ohio residents could be tested over the next year
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And thousands of people are undergoing tests that may ultimately help determine whether all of us are at risk
01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:25.460
The
01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:35.400
The results came back around 2012
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Virtually the entire affected population estimated at 70,000 people participated
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It's the largest human health study in the history of the world in terms of its breadth and scope
01:10:56.400 --> 01:11:00.400
The eyes of the world have been on this science panel
01:11:00.400 --> 01:11:05.400
The chemical industry has been keenly interested in what was going to come out of this
01:11:05.400 --> 01:11:12.400
They designed the most world-class studies that have ever been done on a pollutant
01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:19.400
They spent seven years, seven years studying this community
01:11:19.400 --> 01:11:22.400
What other chemical do you have this kind of information about?
01:11:22.400 --> 01:11:25.400
The science is unequivocal now
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And in 2012, they said that there was a link between drinking this in the water and six different diseases
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Kidney cancer, testicular cancer, ulcerative colitis, thyroid disease, preeclampsia, and high cholesterol
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We found out through a newspaper article
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I was reading it and said, Earl, that C8 can cause, you know, a start in a name
01:11:56.400 --> 01:12:00.400
And I said, you have three of those
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Mine was cholesterol and high cholesterol contributes to heart disease
01:12:06.400 --> 01:12:13.400
Well, I've got nine stints and I've had a heart attack
01:12:13.400 --> 01:12:18.400
After the blood test, I was notified that I had thyroid disease
01:12:24.400 --> 01:12:28.400
Was I a guinea pig? What do you think?
01:12:28.400 --> 01:12:31.400
That's what it looks like
01:12:31.400 --> 01:12:38.400
Was Carol Kaplan a guinea pig? Was Spike a guinea pig? Was Joy Weaver a guinea pig?
01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:42.400
Were they thinking we're dumb enough that we don't know what's going on?
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First, it's the workers you betray by not telling them
01:12:49.400 --> 01:12:54.400
And then you betray the community in which these plants operate
01:12:54.400 --> 01:12:59.400
And then you betray the community next door, who's also being exposed
01:12:59.400 --> 01:13:02.400
We're upstream
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We never anticipated that we would be included in any of this
01:13:07.400 --> 01:13:13.400
Thousands of people in Vienna, West Virginia are being told, do not drink the water
01:13:13.400 --> 01:13:16.400
Clean water distribution sites, they're open until 9 o'clock tonight
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They will reopen bright and early tomorrow morning at 8
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Have a good day, everyone
01:13:21.400 --> 01:13:23.400
It works
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They will reopen bright and early tomorrow morning at 8
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Have a good day, everyone
01:13:28.400 --> 01:13:30.400
It worries me
01:13:30.400 --> 01:13:32.400
You know, we've got a lot of cancer in this area
01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:34.400
And then you wonder why
01:13:34.400 --> 01:13:38.400
This is not just in West Virginia and Ohio
01:13:38.400 --> 01:13:41.400
It's being found in drinking water all over the country
01:13:41.400 --> 01:13:45.400
PFOAs have been turning up in drinking water in New York State, Vermont
01:13:45.400 --> 01:13:49.400
There are some new concerns today over the drinking water in Newcastle, Delaware
01:13:49.400 --> 01:13:52.400
The drinking water in portions of the Tennessee Valley
01:13:52.400 --> 01:13:56.400
This is something that affects everyone all over the country
01:13:56.400 --> 01:13:59.400
You should be more worried about people's lives
01:14:02.400 --> 01:14:04.400
In every continent on the planet
01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:06.400
PFOA
01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:09.400
The company Dupont produced Teflon for anti-bacterial
01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:13.400
First people, first planet, and then the profit
01:14:15.400 --> 01:14:21.400
You have to realize the argument that Dupont said is, so what, it's in your blood
01:14:21.400 --> 01:14:23.400
No!
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Welcome up
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And my position would be
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You have no right to pull at my blood
01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:56.400
I was overwhelmingly disgusted by the findings
01:14:57.400 --> 01:14:59.400
The science panel came back and said
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We haven't really got a complete link to your deformities
01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:07.400
When you look at the deformities that these animals had
01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:09.400
That I had the same deformities
01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:12.400
That's not a coincidence
01:15:16.400 --> 01:15:20.400
You could argue that Bucky Bailey's birth defects were not related
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That the birth defects of the other child in that group of eight children weren't related
01:15:25.400 --> 01:15:29.400
And I think Dupont did argue that, that it can't be proven
01:15:29.400 --> 01:15:33.400
But the odds of that being the case are very low
01:15:33.400 --> 01:15:36.400
You study eight women who worked with C8
01:15:36.400 --> 01:15:39.400
Two of them had children with birth defects
01:15:41.400 --> 01:15:43.400
That would not be significant
01:15:43.400 --> 01:15:46.400
In the realm of scientific fact
01:15:46.400 --> 01:15:50.400
This is not considered a statistically significant sample
01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:54.400
They said they didn't have enough information
01:15:54.400 --> 01:15:57.400
How much information do you have to have if you got two babies?
01:15:58.400 --> 01:16:00.400
How much do you need?
01:16:01.400 --> 01:16:04.400
How can there not be a link?
01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:11.400
It's hard for me to stay idle and say, okay, I accept this
01:16:11.400 --> 01:16:14.400
I don't want to accept it
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May it please the court
01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:27.400
Ladies and gentlemen, this case breaks down pretty easily
01:16:27.400 --> 01:16:29.400
It's not as complicated as you might think
01:16:29.400 --> 01:16:32.400
First of all, one of the issues that we're going to be talking about
01:16:39.400 --> 01:16:42.400
Four years now, it's been argued the chemical is poisonous
01:16:42.400 --> 01:16:45.400
But for the first time today, a jury agreed
01:16:45.400 --> 01:16:48.400
Putting blame on Dupont
01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:51.400
A plaintiff in the first case in a long line of personal injury
01:16:51.400 --> 01:16:54.400
And wrongful death suits against the Dupont company
01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:57.400
Has been awarded $1.6 million
01:16:57.400 --> 01:17:01.400
It was definitely a fasten your seatbelts kind of moment
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Dupont had realized that juries saw things in a different way than they did
01:17:06.400 --> 01:17:10.400
This case is the first case against Dupont that went to court
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And it's going to cost them possibly their reputation
01:17:14.400 --> 01:17:17.400
I think everybody saw the writing on the wall
01:17:17.400 --> 01:17:20.400
That if we could win the first case
01:17:20.400 --> 01:17:23.400
We could win on virtually all of the cases
01:17:23.400 --> 01:17:27.400
The federal jury recently awarded $5.1 million in these second Duponts
01:17:27.400 --> 01:17:31.400
The jury found that Dupont acted with malice
01:17:31.400 --> 01:17:34.400
There's no money in the world they can offer me
01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:37.400
That's going to justify
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This was a criminal offense
01:17:39.400 --> 01:17:43.400
And it's going to cost them possibly their reputation
01:17:43.400 --> 01:17:46.400
This was a criminal offense
01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:49.400
The CEOs of Dupont, they're walking around
01:17:49.400 --> 01:17:52.400
With their freedom, untouched
01:17:54.400 --> 01:17:58.400
It's like if I go out here and sprinkle arsenic around
01:17:58.400 --> 01:18:01.400
And it gets in people's water
01:18:01.400 --> 01:18:04.400
And they slowly get poisoned and they die
01:18:04.400 --> 01:18:07.400
They'd arrest me and charge me for murder
01:18:07.400 --> 01:18:10.400
They ought to go to jail
01:18:13.400 --> 01:18:16.400
The Dupont case
01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:19.400
The court ruled that Dupont was guilty of a crime
01:18:19.400 --> 01:18:22.400
The court ruled that Dupont was guilty of a crime
01:18:22.400 --> 01:18:25.400
$16 million? Really?
01:18:25.400 --> 01:18:28.400
$16 million? Really?
01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:31.400
This is a company at the time that was selling
01:18:31.400 --> 01:18:34.400
$25 billion worth of products every year
01:18:34.400 --> 01:18:37.400
This is a company at the time that was selling
01:18:37.400 --> 01:18:40.400
$25 billion worth of products every year
01:18:40.400 --> 01:18:43.400
They're contaminating humanity, contaminating the living world
01:18:43.400 --> 01:18:46.400
They're contaminating humanity, contaminating the living world
01:18:46.400 --> 01:18:49.400
But I'm pretty sure it's not $16 million
01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:55.400
Dupont's big give was to participate
01:18:55.400 --> 01:18:58.400
In a gradual phase out of C8
01:18:58.400 --> 01:19:01.400
In a gradual phase out of C8
01:19:04.400 --> 01:19:07.400
By 2015, nobody could make C8
01:19:07.400 --> 01:19:10.400
They say that we're not going to stop making Teflon
01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:13.400
So should we find something besides C8 to make it with?
01:19:13.400 --> 01:19:16.400
Gen X is what they're calling it
01:19:16.400 --> 01:19:19.400
Gen X is what they're calling it
01:19:19.400 --> 01:19:22.400
When there's no safety standard
01:19:22.400 --> 01:19:25.400
When there's no required set of tests
01:19:25.400 --> 01:19:28.400
To bring a chemical to market
01:19:28.400 --> 01:19:31.400
You never know if getting rid of one chemical
01:19:31.400 --> 01:19:34.400
Is going to result in bringing in a substitute
01:19:34.400 --> 01:19:37.400
Once they started making Gen X
01:19:37.400 --> 01:19:40.400
Once they started making Gen X
01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:43.400
Dupont initiated a rat study
01:19:43.400 --> 01:19:46.400
Dupont initiated a rat study
01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:49.400
And the results showed the same kind of tumors
01:19:49.400 --> 01:19:52.400
And the results showed the same kind of tumors
01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:55.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:19:55.400 --> 01:19:58.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:19:58.400 --> 01:20:01.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:01.400 --> 01:20:04.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:04.400 --> 01:20:07.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:07.400 --> 01:20:10.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:10.400 --> 01:20:13.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:13.400 --> 01:20:16.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:19.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:19.400 --> 01:20:22.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:22.400 --> 01:20:25.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:25.400 --> 01:20:28.400
That we saw with PFOA
01:20:28.400 --> 01:20:31.400
Sitting in the pre-op and just thinking,
01:20:31.400 --> 01:20:34.400
Sitting in the pre-op and just thinking,
01:20:34.400 --> 01:20:37.400
You know, what's my reaction going to be when I see him?
01:20:37.400 --> 01:20:40.400
You know, what's my reaction going to be when I see him?
01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:43.400
The first time I saw him,
01:20:43.400 --> 01:20:46.400
They were cleaning him up.
01:20:46.400 --> 01:20:49.400
They called me over,
01:20:49.400 --> 01:20:52.400
And I'm thinking to myself, please, Lord,
01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:55.400
I know this is going to be okay, I know this is going to be okay,
01:20:55.400 --> 01:20:58.400
I know this is going to be okay, I know this is going to be okay,
01:20:58.400 --> 01:21:01.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:01.400 --> 01:21:04.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:04.400 --> 01:21:07.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:07.400 --> 01:21:10.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:10.400 --> 01:21:13.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:13.400 --> 01:21:16.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:16.400 --> 01:21:19.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:19.400 --> 01:21:22.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:25.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:25.400 --> 01:21:28.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:31.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:31.400 --> 01:21:34.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:34.400 --> 01:21:37.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:37.400 --> 01:21:40.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:40.400 --> 01:21:43.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:43.400 --> 01:21:46.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:46.400 --> 01:21:49.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:49.400 --> 01:21:52.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:52.400 --> 01:21:55.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:55.400 --> 01:21:58.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:21:58.400 --> 01:22:01.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:22:01.400 --> 01:22:04.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:22:04.400 --> 01:22:07.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:22:07.400 --> 01:22:10.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:22:10.400 --> 01:22:13.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:22:13.400 --> 01:22:16.400
I know this is going to be okay,
01:22:17.400 --> 01:22:20.400
This isn't the end.
01:22:20.400 --> 01:22:23.400
We're going to fight till everyone is safe.
01:22:30.400 --> 01:22:35.400
I don't know what CA does with lifelong exposure,
01:22:35.400 --> 01:22:38.400
but changes have to be made.
01:22:38.400 --> 01:22:42.400
We don't have the science yet to explain long-term exposure,
01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:47.400
but we're just beginning to understand all kinds of new risks.
01:22:47.400 --> 01:22:50.400
At very low levels,
01:22:50.400 --> 01:22:53.400
this Teflon chemistry can affect the immune system.
01:22:53.400 --> 01:22:56.400
They can have impacts on the nervous system,
01:22:56.400 --> 01:22:59.400
they can have impacts on how we metabolize
01:22:59.400 --> 01:23:02.400
various food nutrients, on and on and on.
01:23:02.400 --> 01:23:05.400
We're going to have to do a lot of research
01:23:05.400 --> 01:23:08.400
on how to metabolize nutrients, on and on and on.
01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:11.400
If a person is exposed to CA on day one,
01:23:11.400 --> 01:23:14.400
they may not manifest disease for years.
01:23:14.400 --> 01:23:17.400
Children, for example,
01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:20.400
we're starting to see them become ill
01:23:20.400 --> 01:23:23.400
with latent kinds of disease.
01:23:23.400 --> 01:23:26.400
We don't know how it will affect people for years to come
01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:29.400
because we're just figuring out what it is.
01:23:29.400 --> 01:23:32.400
Scientists are just catching up on what they're seeing.
01:23:32.400 --> 01:23:35.400
And as they're doing this,
01:23:35.400 --> 01:23:38.400
they've already faced the replacement.
01:23:38.400 --> 01:23:41.400
So that's already out there.
01:23:41.400 --> 01:23:44.400
You can see from this story,
01:23:44.400 --> 01:23:47.400
from this vantage point,
01:23:47.400 --> 01:23:50.400
that it almost goes on forever.
01:23:50.400 --> 01:23:53.400
Drinking water in North Carolina
01:23:53.400 --> 01:23:56.400
is being tested for a toxic substance called Gen X.
01:23:56.400 --> 01:23:59.400
It turned up recently that it's a toxic substance
01:23:59.400 --> 01:24:02.400
called Gen X.
01:24:02.400 --> 01:24:05.400
It turned up recently in the Cape Fear River.
01:24:05.400 --> 01:24:08.400
Gen X is the replacement chemical being used
01:24:08.400 --> 01:24:11.400
for Teflon production after DuPont was found
01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:14.400
to be using a previous toxic chemical.
01:24:14.400 --> 01:24:17.400
DuPont did stop using C8,
01:24:17.400 --> 01:24:20.400
but they've just replaced one poison with another.
01:24:29.400 --> 01:24:32.400
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