1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,680 To describe this story as horrifying would be an understatement, and if that sounds like 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,040 a warning, then that's exactly what it's meant to be. 3 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:14,640 It deals with the sexual abuse of children by satanic cults, and not only that, human 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,720 sacrifices as well. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,200 We started investigating the secret satanic cults when a British member of parliament 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,520 linked them with the ritual murder of children. 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,480 In this day and age, it sounded too far-fetched, as did suggestions, that the same 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,360 thing might be happening in Australia. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,560 But then we met Theresa. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,400 She's only 15, and for 12 of those years, she's been the victim of relentless 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,600 depravity. 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,880 Theresa's story is both shocking and compelling. 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,920 Yet, it's a story she's anxious to tell. 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,200 But again, we should warn you that parts of this report may be distressing. 15 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Friends of family and strangers and our families to write me. 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,120 Maybe a book for babies I had. 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:11,600 It would be hard to imagine more misery and suffering than what Theresa says she's had to endure. 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Then our skits would be made to do things with the adults and animals. 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,600 And then a sacrifice would happen. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,840 The sacrifice, where these animal sacrifices. 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Animals and people. 22 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,560 On what scale do you think this was happening? 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,440 Inormous, far beyond what we've ever heard of here before. 24 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,000 Theresa's mother, Bridget. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,680 You're talking about mass murder. 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,880 Yes. 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,440 On a scale that this country's never heard of before. 28 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:56,400 For the first time, Theresa is learning what it's like to live with love instead of fear. 29 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,600 In this quiet English village, with the help of a mother, 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,840 she's slowly repairing her broken life. 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:11,680 Theresa is now 15, but at the age of two, she was left in the care of this woman. 32 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,800 The grandma, she called NAN, and that she says is when a torment started. 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,120 Who was the leader? 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Who was the boss of the gang of the cult? 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,360 At home it was on NAN. 36 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,360 Your NAN made you have six with animals. 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Yeah. 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,360 I don't think it's a joke. 39 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Please. 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,600 The story of Theresa is a story almost too horrible to account. 41 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:54,480 A case of child abuse that goes well beyond the kind of things we normally associate with the abuse of children. 42 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,120 In 27 years of reporting, it has to be one of the most painful stories I've ever had to tell. 43 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,040 How many men or how many people would have sex with you? 44 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,320 Well at one time. 45 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Yes. 46 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,480 But everyone who's there, which must have been about 20, 47 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:21,840 you know, from 10 to 20 people, if it was a big ceremony, it used to be 30. 48 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,400 What would your grandma be doing? 49 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,480 And these men were forcing themselves on you? 50 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Usually laughing. 51 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Or smiling. 52 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,760 Or having sex with another man. 53 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,240 Or other men. 54 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,400 A chronicle of the bortuary and the pravity. 55 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,640 So horrific, it's hard to believe. 56 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,120 You have to ask yourself, could Theresa be just making it up? 57 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,400 No. 58 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,240 And I was thrown what's not. 59 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,600 No, no, what I saw. 60 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Children don't make up elaborate lies that this would have to be if it was a lie, 61 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,360 which I know it is not. 62 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,080 It isn't. 63 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,320 This couldn't be a terrible dream and not me that you're reliving. 64 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:20,800 No. 65 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,120 It's no dream. 66 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,560 It's a nightmare, but it's not one you can wake up from. 67 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:30,960 It's there all the time. 68 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:35,440 This really happened. 69 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,400 You're quite sure of that. 70 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,240 Yeah. 71 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,680 The police don't think Theresa made up a story. 72 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,640 Some of the cult members are to stand trial. 73 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,360 Five men have been charged with rape. 74 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,680 As for men, the grandmother, she's 61 and lives in this council flat in South London. 75 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,680 She's charged on seven counts of aiding in a betting rape 76 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,360 and two counts of performing abortions on Theresa. 77 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,640 If you're finding this hard to believe, so did I at first, 78 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,680 but then there are the medical reports. 79 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Evidence of sustained sexual abuse and this, 80 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,160 a statement prepared for 60 minutes but Theresa's psychiatrist. 81 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:27,200 It says, in my opinion, Theresa's account is not the product of a psychotic illness, 82 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,400 nor the figment of a fertile imagination. 83 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,440 I believe her to be telling the truth. 84 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,280 We also took Theresa's story to this man, therapist, Ray Wire. 85 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,520 He reads a transcript of our interview and listens to her voice. 86 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,160 Few people of any in Britain have counseled as many victims of satanic abuse 87 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,360 or sightness themselves as Ray Wire has. 88 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,200 If there isn't expert on satanic cults, it would have to be him. 89 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Do you believe Theresa's story? 90 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,800 I believe Theresa's story. 91 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,880 It's exactly the same story as I've heard from men who says they've done it. 92 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,640 You've dealt with other cases like hers? 93 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:13,280 Yes. 94 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:17,680 Twenty-one cases like hers, he says, in the past two years alone. 95 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,080 Things like they were putting boxes with spiders and worms, 96 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,560 where they were trapped in fear, where there was a high use of excrement in urine, 97 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,120 where there was talk of human sacrifice. 98 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Both take just one of those rituals, putting children in boxes with spiders and worms. 99 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,560 Now, listen to what Theresa told her mother. 100 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:45,600 And they had a coffin like box that children were putting with spiders and snakes 101 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,480 and the lid shut and left in there, I would have come out deranged. 102 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,320 I could not have coped with that mentally at all. 103 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:58,400 You have evidence to back up stories like Theresa's. 104 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,920 That this is really happening. 105 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:04,000 Well, we have that age of child six, five and four, 106 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,520 giving information that ties up with Theresa. 107 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,760 How do those children know? 108 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,760 How do those children able to describe rituals, to talk about ceremonies, 109 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,240 to talk about sacrificing animals? 110 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,560 How do those children know? 111 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,160 Like me as imagining it? 112 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,040 You can't imagine those things at three and four years old and you also 113 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,080 don't have the evidence of anal sex abuse and all sex abuse and all that other abuse 114 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,200 that clearly those children have experienced and endured. 115 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,240 During these ceremonies, was Satan the devil ever referred to? 116 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,920 He was called Lucifer. 117 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,600 What did they say about the devil? 118 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,200 About Lucifer? 119 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Killing the people, I didn't happy. 120 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,240 Sacrifices to please the devil. 121 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,480 According to Theresa, the worst rituals took place at a house, 122 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,080 somewhere in the country. 123 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,920 It was big, you know, expensive from the front in the like a castle. 124 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,200 And a long drive and big double wooden doors. 125 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Do you think they were rich people then? 126 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,600 Very rich. 127 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Now, where was this big house somewhere in the country? 128 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,920 Theresa says she can't take the police there because the 129 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,600 Satanists made sure she'd never know how to find it. 130 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Theresa was always dropped or on a couple of occasions she says she was knocked out. 131 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,240 So, she never fully knew the route. 132 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,920 There was a trampour that was bought in months and he was killed. 133 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:09,360 I used cut for me to throw down to his stomach and I... 134 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,920 I am a bit so bad. 135 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,640 They killed a man at a ceremony. 136 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:17,840 Yeah. 137 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,040 In front of you? 138 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Yeah, in front of all of us. 139 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,840 Did the tramp... 140 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,520 Did this man fight back? 141 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,520 I think he was drunk or something. 142 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,040 He seemed really dope. 143 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,000 He was laughing a lot when he was bought in. 144 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,560 He started screaming when they began to cut. 145 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,320 But after one, you know, you died. 146 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:53,520 I'd seen a few killings before then. 147 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,360 I wasn't used to it. 148 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,240 That was the worst one. 149 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,400 I really don't know what I'm from. 150 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,920 I suppose I fought for it. God, it's not me. 151 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Let me get this right now. 152 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,880 Are you saying that you saw more than one person killed in that house? 153 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:15,440 Yeah. 154 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,600 I've seen lives of babies killed there. 155 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,080 Just newborn babies. 156 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,720 Or a bulltid one which ran me small. 157 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,400 You know, four year old? 158 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:38,960 Anyhow, you truly? 159 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Did they ever say they might kill you? 160 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,920 Are they threatened to kill my little girl who's... 161 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,480 ...when my left was still at the house? 162 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:49,760 A friend. 163 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:51,600 Huh? 164 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:52,960 What little girl? 165 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,040 My little girl, Alex. 166 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,440 She's about four now. 167 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,440 You mean you had a child? 168 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:01,680 Yeah. 169 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,840 How old were you when you had that child? 170 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:08,800 11. 171 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,200 Motherhood at the age of 11. 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,320 I never talked to her. 173 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,000 But from what to reset hold her mother, 174 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,240 it wasn't the only pregnancy. 175 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,000 We think that's seven or eight times. 176 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,400 It's hard to say. 177 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,760 It was constantly happening from the time she was capable of being pregnant. 178 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,120 What happened to the pregnancy to the babies? 179 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,120 I were a bulltid one and a nine or one of the doctors at the house. 180 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,920 There were doctors there at that house? 181 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Yeah, there was two, I think. 182 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,120 Yeah, and there. 183 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,080 And then there's... 184 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,560 What would happen to the fetus as the unborn babies? 185 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,960 I used to be taken away most of the time and on time, 186 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,120 babies taken out me and then killed in front of me. 187 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Because it was still alive. 188 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,360 And then what would happen? 189 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,600 Well, after they killed it, I really did. 190 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Well, we all so made to be in. 191 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,760 You were made to eat your own fetus. 192 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Yeah. 193 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,400 Who made you do this? 194 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,360 My name? 195 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:52,160 You think the one person in the world you could leave a little girl with would be grandma. 196 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,920 Love and protector from harm. 197 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,240 Yet, when Teresa was left to live with her grandmother, 198 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,520 they might as well have handed her to the devil himself. 199 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,160 Grandmother's, I mean, the vision it conjures up for you. 200 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Sweet old lady, grey hair, rosy cheeks, holding her arms out to love her grandchildren. 201 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,880 And it was exactly the reverse. 202 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,880 But why was Teresa living with Nan in the first place? 203 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,320 And not with her mother? 204 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,360 When my first marriage broke up, 205 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,360 I took the children with me and could cope. 206 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,280 So I gave them to their father who in turn moved to his mother's. 207 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,200 To Nan's place? 208 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Yeah. 209 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,920 And when he left the Nan's place, 210 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,240 he left the children there. 211 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,760 How do you feel now to water grandma and the other people who did all those things to your daughter? 212 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,240 They discussed me. 213 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,960 They are the worst form of life, 214 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,400 this earth, as I had the misfortune to create. 215 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:00,240 The vile. 216 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,080 Did you ever try to run away? 217 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,320 You must have been frightened. 218 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,200 A couple of times, I did put my uncle in, he caught me and brought me back. 219 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:12,720 Going to the police? 220 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,200 Did that occur to you? 221 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:16,560 No. 222 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,800 I thought it was normal, you know, even though I didn't like it. 223 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:31,760 You know, I mean, you don't like to eat greens, but you know, 224 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,600 some of you know, you thought, 225 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,440 I thought it was just over the incul to be kind or something like that. 226 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,920 She said to me, it was something that everybody did. 227 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,080 She thought, you know, like you don't like going to school or the dentist. 228 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,640 He don't like going to the black masses. 229 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,360 It was never any different, I didn't have nothing to compare it to. 230 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,120 All part of life to research thought, even a miscarriage one day at school. 231 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,480 Yeah, I asked the teacher, if I could go to the toilet and she allowed me out. 232 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,680 I went into the toilet and 233 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,640 I'd say I was in the toilet and 234 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,040 I'd say I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd go to the toilet and I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I 235 00:15:40,640 --> 00:16:10,640 go to the toilet and I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say 236 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:40,640 I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd say I'd 237 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:48,640 and it used to go like, you know, fith in there and then there was nothing left. 238 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:54,640 Well, I didn't seem to be, but when they cleared it out, it used to be a sludge at the bottom. 239 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:02,640 To a recent story, her account doesn't really surprise you. It doesn't surprise me in the light of a satanic abuse now. 240 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,640 Do you get frustrated with people who just won't accept that these things do happen? 241 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,640 Yes, because I've worked with murderers in prisons for years. 242 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,640 Not that long ago, a boy was found in a forest in southern England without a head. 243 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:22,640 We have no doubts that men can do that, and yet when we start talking about men within satinism, 244 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:29,640 who actually believe in evil and it's the right to express evil, we suddenly have a doubt. 245 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:34,640 As I was leaving to Reese's Place, she had to meet this note. 246 00:17:34,640 --> 00:18:04,640 She said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, 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