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And find that I am the baby of the bunch, but that's okay, I still keep in stride, cause

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all I'm here to do is just wiggle your behind, sing it on and on and on and on, your beat

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don't stop until the break of dawn, sing it on and on and on and on and on and on, rock

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rock y'all, go on the floor, I'm gonna freak you here, I'm gonna freak you there, I'm gonna

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move you out of this atmosphere, cause I'm one of a kind and I'll shock your mind, I'm

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for the dig, dig, dig, dig, sing yo, bah-ha, I said one, two, three, four, come on girls,

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get on the floor, I'll come alive yo, give me what you got, cause I'm guaranteed to make

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you rock, I said one, two, three, four, tell me wonder why, what are you waiting for?

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I said a hip, hop, to hit me to the hip, hit me to hip, hip, hop, and you don't stop, rock

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it to the bang, bang, the boogie, say up, jump the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie to

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beat, well skiddle me, but we rock, scooby doo, and guess what, America, we love you, well

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cause we rock and roll, with the summer sun, used to rock to be 101 years old, I don't

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mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but we like hot butter on a breakfast toast, rock it

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up, baby, bubba, baby, bubba, to the boogie to the band, bang, the boogie to the beat, beat,

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it's so unique, come on everybody and dance to the beat.

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The hip, hop, the hibbit, the hibbit of the hip, hip, hop, and you don't stop, rock it

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out, baby, bubba, to the boogie to the boogie to the beat, I say I can't wait to the end

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of the week, when I rap it to the rhythm of a groovy beat, and attempt to raise your body

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heat, I just blow your mind to, well that you can't speak and do a thing, but I rock and

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shuffle your beat, and later change up to a dance called the Freaker, when you finally do come

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with the irithmic beat, bust a little while so you don't get weak, I know a man in hand,

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he has moral rhymes and a serious bank, so come on, hey, I sing that song, until the rhythm

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of the boogie to band, bang, bang, the ball.

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I'm dim, the dim, the ladies pimp, the women fight for my delight, but I'm the grand master

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with the three MCs that shop the house for the young ladies, and when you come inside, into

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the front, you do the freak spank, I do the bump, and when the sucker MCs try to prove a point,

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I do the trick, the trio, or when the serious join, I'm from sun to sun and from day to day,

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I set Diamond Light, a brand new rhyme, I come to say that miracles never cease, I've created

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a devastating masterpiece, I'm gonna rock the mic so you can't resist, everybody!

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I say, I don't like this when I was coming home late one dark afternoon.

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Reporter stopped me for an interview.

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She said, she's heard stories and she's heard fables.

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That ambitions are the might and the turntable.

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This young reporter I did adore.

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So I rocked the vision triumph like I never did before.

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She said, damn, fly guy, I'm in love with you.

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Casting over legend must have been true.

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I said, by the way, baby, what's your name?

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Said, I go by the name Lois Lane.

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And you can beat my boyfriend, you sure they can.

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Just let me quit my boyfriend called Superman.

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I said, he's a fairy.

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I do suppose flying through the air in pantyhose.

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He may be very sexy or even cute, but he looks like a sucker in a blue red suit.

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I said, you need a man who's got finesse and his whole name across his chest.

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He may be able to fly all through the night, but can he rock a party till the early night?

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He can't satisfy you with his little worm, but I can bust you out with my super sperm.

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I go do it.

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I go do it.

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I go do it.

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Do it.

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Do it.

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And I'm here.

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And I'm there.

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I'm Big Bang Hank.

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I'm everywhere.

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I just throw your hands up in the air and party.

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Party like you just don't care.

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Let's do it.

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I don't stop, y'all.

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I take a top, y'all.

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You don't stop.

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I go home, jail, road, jail.

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You do have considerable influence.

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And some people say that there are Americans who don't feel totally comfortable with that

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because they're not sure how much influence you have.

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And after all, you were not elected.

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How much influence do you have?

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For some people, the ultimate goal in life has been becoming the president of the United

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States.

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Would you like to be the president of the United States?

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I really don't believe I would, but I would like to see somebody as the president who could

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do the job.

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And there are very capable people in this country.

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You are probably the most investigated man on planet Earth.

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Yep.

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Every single intelligence agency, at least in five eyes, and I'll bet you it's all around

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the world.

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Every newspaper, every reporter, every journalist have dug through everything.

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And you're pretty clean.

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I would love and I would dedicate my life to this country, but I see it as being a mean

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life.

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And I also see it as somebody with strong views.

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Everything woke turns to shit.

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We are led by very, very stupid people.

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And somebody with the kind of views that are maybe a little bit unpopular, which may be right,

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but may be unpopular.

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I call President Obama and Hillary Clinton the founders of ISIS.

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They're the founders.

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The founders wouldn't necessarily have a chance of getting elected against somebody with no

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great brain, but a big smile.

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It is a series of tweets where he accuses President Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower.

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That is getting all the attention.

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He wants you to believe that his campaign was spied on, and it's one of the worst things that

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we've ever seen from government.

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There are new allegations that she didn't just delete tens of thousands of those emails from

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her personal account.

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She wiped the server clean.

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Remember, it's illegal.

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It's illegal to possess these stolen documents.

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It's different for the media.

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So everything you learn about this, you're learning from us.

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These are women who have made very strong accusations against Bill Clinton.

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For the first time, the chief prosecutor is saying Hillary Clinton engaged in the conspiracy to falsely

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accuse Donald Trump of collusion.

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If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation.

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For five years, he has led the birther movement.

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I'm saying it's a real possibility, much greater than I thought two or three weeks ago.

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Then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics.

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And now is a time when things are shifting.

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We're going to be a new world order out there.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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I am officially running

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not once, not twice, but three times.

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For president of the United States.

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And we are going to make our country great again.

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Greetings, my dear friends.

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Welcome to the Danchenko Trial Wrap-Up.

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I am joined, of course, by my brilliant co-host

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and the person who actually does the real work.

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Kyle is just human.

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How are you, Kyle?

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I'm doing pretty well, man.

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I've had a great Sunday.

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I actually went to an arcade with my oldest son today.

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And we were there for like two to three hours

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just playing video games

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and totally forgetting about the rest of the world.

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And it was awesome.

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I take back the part I said about the real work.

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Today, I did not do real work.

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I mean, today I made sure to not do any real work whatsoever.

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Nice.

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So have you noticed anything on social media

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about all the bull crap?

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No.

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Black fillers?

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Honestly, haven't.

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I don't even look.

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That's fantastic.

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It's great.

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I haven't really had...

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They can't get me down.

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I haven't had any trouble either.

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But at the same time,

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if you look at my social media circles,

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generally speaking,

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we have a pretty darn well-informed community.

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It's kind of like we're playing a little game

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of Last Man Standing.

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There is a strange,

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rather puerile need

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to just throw up your hands and say,

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I withdraw my support,

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and then to do what Thomas Wichter would refer to

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as the grand flouncing exit.

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It's Cartman saying,

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Scooby, guys,

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I'm going home.

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it doesn't matter.

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The vast majority of the people

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who are spectators in this,

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when they say,

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I've given up,

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the actual effect it has on anything

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is literally nothing.

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But there is something to watch for

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demoralization-wise

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when it comes to elections.

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I think that the demoralization

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works in our favor with the elections.

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And that's another thing.

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It can.

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Specifically with the grand exits.

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I know what you're talking about.

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And I have seen some of it.

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And this is a take

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that applies universally.

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This has been my take

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on social media for a long time.

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That social media is a tool

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like any other tool.

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And you can use it

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how you think you ought to use it

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and how it's most useful to you.

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And you should curate

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your social media

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to be what you want it to be.

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So if you want to mute,

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you want to block,

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do that.

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You want to follow,

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you want to unfollow,

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do that.

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I want the ability to do that.

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And I...

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You can do that too.

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And it's all well and good.

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I get out of social media

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and other sites

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what I want to get out of them.

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I use them as tools

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to the effect that I

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find them useful.

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And that's it.

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And I don't...

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Nobody's grand exit

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or anything else

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is going to get me down.

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The black pillars that are around,

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I see it.

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And every once in a while,

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I'm like,

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oh,

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this guy just isn't

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thinking big enough.

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Yeah, I know.

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This person is just

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thinking too narrowly

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or not thinking at all

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or they're just being reactionary.

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I have some empathy

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or some sympathy

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for them

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because they've been programmed

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to be that way

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by decades of media

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teaching people

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to be reactive,

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be emotional,

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and to not actually

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think or consider.

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And so I feel...

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I have some sympathy

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for them,

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but I feel like

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the best way

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I can handle it

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is to just mute

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or ignore

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and keep doing

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what I'm doing.

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Yep.

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I will say this, though.

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I'm disappointed

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in the number of people

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who are truly outraged

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at the fate

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of one Igor Danchenko.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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guys,

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it's time to look

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at this from a...

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It's been a long

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six years

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and running war.

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Did you think

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you were going

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to get any satisfaction

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out of watching

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this Danchenko,

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this Brookings Institute

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alcoholic

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who apparently

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is a really reliable,

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effective informant

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for the FBI

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get the frigging

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butt thrown at him

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for what?

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For hemming

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and hawing

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about a conversation

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with another

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low-level

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Russian character?

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I mean,

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that's what it boiled down to.

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Yeah,

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and for us

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that we've gone

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through this

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and looked at

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these transcripts

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and everything,

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I feel like

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the jury

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did the right thing

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because there's

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reasonable doubt

302
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and that doesn't mean

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that he's not a bad guy.

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That doesn't mean

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that he didn't engage

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in some criminality.

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That doesn't mean

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that he doesn't deserve

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some form of justice.

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But for the case

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that was brought

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and the evidence

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in the case

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and the testimony

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in the case

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and what the charges were,

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reasonable doubt

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is there.

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And so you can't

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convict someone

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when you have

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reasonable doubt.

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That's the way

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our justice system is.

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That's the way

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you would want it

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to be for you

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if you were a defendant

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in a trial.

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You would want,

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if the jury

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had reasonable doubt,

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you would want them

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to vote not guilty

335
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on your behalf.

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And going through

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this evidence

338
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and testimony,

339
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I'm just like,

340
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yeah,

341
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I got some questions here

342
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and I can't be certain.

343
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I can't be so certain

344
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that I'm going to send

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this man to prison

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on these specific charges.

347
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Yeah.

348
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Well,

349
00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:33,460
we don't have to worry

350
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about convincing

351
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those people.

352
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The Black Pillars,

353
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if you do think about it,

354
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the Black Pillars

355
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represent

356
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a subset

357
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of the Red Pill community.

358
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Yeah.

359
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We're not a large community

360
00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:45,160
at this point.

361
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I think we're sitting

362
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at a percentage

363
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inflection point

364
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where we are going

365
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to grow enormously

366
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by leaps and bounds

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all of a sudden.

368
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I mean,

369
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that's how these things work.

370
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It happens really,

371
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really slowly

372
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over a long period of time

373
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and then all at once.

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But as of this time,

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we are a small sliver

376
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of the population

377
00:13:03,460 --> 00:13:04,220
and the Black Pillars

378
00:13:04,220 --> 00:13:05,700
are a small sliver of us.

379
00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:06,960
So they don't really matter.

380
00:13:08,380 --> 00:13:08,400
Well,

381
00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,180
and to anybody watching,

382
00:13:11,420 --> 00:13:11,700
like,

383
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Patrick and I see

384
00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:14,880
a lot of Black Pillars.

385
00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:15,940
Like,

386
00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,480
we get sent

387
00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,940
a lot of comments

388
00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:19,660
that are negative.

389
00:13:20,260 --> 00:13:20,920
A lot.

390
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And so forgive us

391
00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,580
for processing them

392
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here at the beginning

393
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of this show,

394
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but it's something

395
00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,220
that every day

396
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is there.

397
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Yeah,

398
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it is.

399
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And we're just over here

400
00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,620
trying to do some work

401
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and find some content

402
00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:35,920
to present.

403
00:13:37,540 --> 00:13:38,380
Kyle's over here

404
00:13:38,380 --> 00:13:39,320
trying to do some work.

405
00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,160
I'm trying to avoid work.

406
00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,160
I just read

407
00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,200
other people's stuff

408
00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,220
in a flamboyant manner.

409
00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:47,680
Real quick,

410
00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,840
we've got some super chats.

411
00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:50,040
B1car says,

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00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:50,220
hey,

413
00:13:50,260 --> 00:13:50,520
Kyle,

414
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cars are dumb.

415
00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:53,220
And Patrick,

416
00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:54,620
viruses are real.

417
00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:56,340
Burning Bright

418
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put me up to this.

419
00:13:57,860 --> 00:13:59,460
We're going to have to

420
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ban Burning Bright

421
00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:01,020
from the chat,

422
00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:01,440
I think.

423
00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,820
Ultimate troll power.

424
00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:05,180
We also have JC Gunn,

425
00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:06,120
1776,

426
00:14:06,260 --> 00:14:06,680
$17.

427
00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,140
Thanks to you guys

428
00:14:08,140 --> 00:14:09,060
and Badlands Media,

429
00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,440
we are the most informed

430
00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,240
on all the BS

431
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,720
and the truth.

432
00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,400
Thank you very much.

433
00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,180
I really appreciate

434
00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:18,040
the super chats.

435
00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:19,180
They pretty much

436
00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:20,360
make my life worth living.

437
00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:21,020
So,

438
00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,120
keep them coming, guys.

439
00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:24,900
Thank y'all.

440
00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:27,000
One quick note,

441
00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,660
I would like to congratulate

442
00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:30,840
the Houston Astros

443
00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,160
for being 3-0

444
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,740
against the New York Yankees.

445
00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:35,560
And I'm not doing this

446
00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:36,660
in any way to be a dick.

447
00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:37,520
All right.

448
00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,800
I hate the Astros

449
00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,120
more than I hate any best.

450
00:14:40,420 --> 00:14:42,240
I'm aware of who you hate,

451
00:14:42,380 --> 00:14:42,600
Kyle,

452
00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:43,280
as just human.

453
00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:43,440
Oh,

454
00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,580
I hate them so much.

455
00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:45,580
I know you do.

456
00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,440
I'm a Houstonian.

457
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,020
You know that.

458
00:14:47,780 --> 00:14:48,220
Yes.

459
00:14:48,380 --> 00:14:49,500
I am patriotically

460
00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:51,240
obligated to love the Astros.

461
00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:53,900
I haven't actually

462
00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:54,680
watched baseball

463
00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:55,440
since 2005,

464
00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:55,900
though.

465
00:14:57,460 --> 00:14:58,060
Oh, man.

466
00:14:58,300 --> 00:14:58,820
They got swept

467
00:14:58,820 --> 00:14:59,600
by the White Sox

468
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,320
in the World Series

469
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:00,900
and I said,

470
00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,740
I did my grand

471
00:15:02,740 --> 00:15:03,880
flouncing exit

472
00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,760
from baseball.

473
00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,200
I love baseball

474
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:07,940
so much

475
00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:09,120
and I quit watching

476
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,420
after the Astros cheated.

477
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,900
It disgusted me

478
00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:14,580
so much

479
00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:15,340
how they got away

480
00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:15,820
with cheating.

481
00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:17,380
I want you to show us

482
00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:19,380
on the doll

483
00:15:19,380 --> 00:15:20,380
where the Astros

484
00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:21,240
hurt you, Kyle.

485
00:15:21,820 --> 00:15:22,640
They hurt my

486
00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,220
they hurt my

487
00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:24,520
Hugh Darvish t-shirt

488
00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:25,280
that I wore

489
00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,600
every time he pitched

490
00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,180
for like three years

491
00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:30,320
because they cheated

492
00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:30,940
and destroyed

493
00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:31,900
that man mentally.

494
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Ruined his career.

495
00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:35,700
I'm so sorry

496
00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:36,240
this happened.

497
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:36,660
I know.

498
00:15:36,660 --> 00:15:38,560
It hurts.

499
00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:39,820
It hurts.

500
00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:40,560
This show is getting

501
00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,040
off to a very painful start.

502
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:43,900
All right.

503
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:44,580
All right, guys.

504
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:45,400
What do you say

505
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,240
we actually

506
00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,560
start analyzing

507
00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,140
some of the trial

508
00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:50,940
of Igor Danchenko?

509
00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:52,660
The trial

510
00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:55,680
of Igor Danchenko.

511
00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,360
Igor Yurievich Danchenko.

512
00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,540
So we have lots

513
00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:01,040
to get to.

514
00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,440
I'm going to blow

515
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,200
this up a little bit

516
00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,160
and make it legible

517
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:04,760
for everybody.

518
00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,240
And we'll just do

519
00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,120
the same format

520
00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,100
that we've always done,

521
00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:09,340
right?

522
00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,000
Yeah.

523
00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:11,660
And I think

524
00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:13,460
of all the articles

525
00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:13,900
I've written

526
00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:14,600
on this trial,

527
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:16,740
this is the shortest one

528
00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:18,460
minus the preview

529
00:16:18,460 --> 00:16:19,600
substack

530
00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,040
that I did

531
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,600
on my own

532
00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,260
substack.

533
00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:22,660
This is the shortest one.

534
00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,000
So I think

535
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,460
we can get through

536
00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:24,040
this whole thing

537
00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:24,440
today.

538
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,200
Okay.

539
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:25,820
Or tonight.

540
00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,760
And there's a

541
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,500
there's a section

542
00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:29,220
where I included

543
00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:30,420
some of the judges

544
00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:30,840
comments.

545
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:31,380
We can actually

546
00:16:31,380 --> 00:16:32,020
skip that.

547
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:32,920
I just included it

548
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,380
because people

549
00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:34,080
might be interested.

550
00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:34,740
Okay.

551
00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:35,540
And yeah.

552
00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,500
So this is

553
00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:38,420
this is day four

554
00:16:38,420 --> 00:16:40,140
plus plus the verdict.

555
00:16:40,540 --> 00:16:41,260
All right.

556
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:42,960
I'll read this

557
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:43,860
opening part.

558
00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:44,700
The final day

559
00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:45,300
of the trial

560
00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:46,460
was another strong

561
00:16:46,460 --> 00:16:47,740
day for the prosecution.

562
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:48,940
A day where

563
00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:49,700
the Crossfire Hurricane

564
00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:50,840
and Mueller teams

565
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,660
were not flattered

566
00:16:51,660 --> 00:16:52,200
whatsoever.

567
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,160
And the good

568
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,080
investigative work

569
00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,440
of one FBI analyst

570
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,060
and two FBI agents

571
00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:57,900
featured heavily

572
00:16:57,900 --> 00:16:59,020
a special counsel

573
00:16:59,020 --> 00:16:59,720
John Durham,

574
00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:00,640
a special assistant

575
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,340
special counsel

576
00:17:01,340 --> 00:17:02,120
Michael Kielty

577
00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,480
and DOJ trial

578
00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,540
attorney Britton Shaw

579
00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:05,580
concluded their

580
00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:06,460
case in chief.

581
00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:07,860
After lunch,

582
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,200
prosecution would rest

583
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:09,820
and the defense

584
00:17:09,820 --> 00:17:10,680
would decide to not

585
00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,640
even put on a case

586
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,180
of their own.

587
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,960
It would go to the jury

588
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,880
the following Monday

589
00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,660
and we would be left

590
00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:16,140
wondering,

591
00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:17,580
was Danchenko

592
00:17:17,580 --> 00:17:19,200
ever really on trial?

593
00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:21,480
All right.

594
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,260
Friday morning,

595
00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:23,360
day four.

596
00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:24,800
Durham wasn't

597
00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,540
quite finished

598
00:17:25,540 --> 00:17:26,360
with special agent

599
00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:26,700
Helson.

600
00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:27,540
So he calls him

601
00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:28,300
back to the witness

602
00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:29,140
stand for further

603
00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:30,500
further redirect

604
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:31,340
examination.

605
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:32,860
Helson testifies

606
00:17:32,860 --> 00:17:33,720
that in his initial

607
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,400
discussions with

608
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:34,960
Danchenko.

609
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:36,200
The name Dolan

610
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,200
had never come up

611
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,340
and Helson was not

612
00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:39,420
aware of Dolan.

613
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,320
However,

614
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:40,980
special agent

615
00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:41,560
Amy Anderson

616
00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,520
and former FBI

617
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,220
analyst Brittany

618
00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:43,860
Herzog,

619
00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:44,640
who were on the

620
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,260
Mueller investigative

621
00:17:45,260 --> 00:17:46,340
team being run

622
00:17:46,340 --> 00:17:46,840
out of FBI

623
00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,400
headquarters,

624
00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:48,200
had been

625
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,420
working on

626
00:17:49,420 --> 00:17:50,300
some project

627
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:51,460
or some report

628
00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:52,320
that involved

629
00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,220
Peskov and Dolan.

630
00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:54,520
Special agent

631
00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,320
Anderson gave

632
00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,180
Helson specific

633
00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:57,160
questions to pose

634
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:57,800
to Danchenko

635
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,680
in regards to

636
00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:58,980
Dolan.

637
00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,420
On June 15,

638
00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,120
2017,

639
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:02,440
in the last of the

640
00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,020
three interviews

641
00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:03,440
that Helson

642
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,000
recorded,

643
00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:05,060
he posed

644
00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:05,780
these questions

645
00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:07,060
and got

646
00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:07,500
nothing.

647
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,360
And I'll go

648
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:08,780
ahead and read

649
00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:09,300
this short

650
00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:09,840
script because

651
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,320
it's only just

652
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:10,580
a couple

653
00:18:10,580 --> 00:18:11,020
sentences.

654
00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:11,540
Okay.

655
00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:12,160
And in that

656
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,760
connection,

657
00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,120
did Mr.

658
00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:15,060
Danchenko provide

659
00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:15,620
any information

660
00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:16,480
to you concerning

661
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,160
the dossier

662
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:17,940
and Mr.

663
00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:18,340
Dolan?

664
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,340
Answer,

665
00:18:19,580 --> 00:18:20,080
no, sir.

666
00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,020
Question,

667
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:21,660
if Mr.

668
00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:22,200
Danchenko had

669
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:22,820
disclosed to

670
00:18:22,820 --> 00:18:23,060
you,

671
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:23,660
yeah,

672
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,280
Dolan gave

673
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:24,900
me information

674
00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:25,240
that went

675
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:25,480
into the

676
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:25,900
dossier,

677
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:26,520
would that

678
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:26,720
have been

679
00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,280
important to

680
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:27,480
you?

681
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:28,520
Yes, sir.

682
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,400
Danchenko did

683
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,160
not reveal his

684
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:31,920
messages or

685
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,640
meetings with

686
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,040
Dolan,

687
00:18:33,380 --> 00:18:33,800
nor did he

688
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,380
reveal that

689
00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:34,900
information

690
00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:35,520
obtained from

691
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:35,940
Dolan had

692
00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:36,440
ended up in

693
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:36,960
the dossier.

694
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:38,320
Durham then

695
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:38,940
shifts to

696
00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:39,580
questions about

697
00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:40,320
the three days

698
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:40,860
of interviews

699
00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:41,720
with Danchenko

700
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,300
in January

701
00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,020
2017,

702
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:43,940
and whether

703
00:18:43,940 --> 00:18:44,680
Oden discussed

704
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,260
with Danchenko

705
00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:46,320
a dossier report

706
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,260
number 105,

707
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:48,420
and a section

708
00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:48,940
titled

709
00:18:48,940 --> 00:18:50,280
Election-Related

710
00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:50,800
Reporting

711
00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,680
About Paul

712
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:52,200
Manafort.

713
00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:53,560
Defense had

714
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,100
gotten into

715
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:54,600
this in their

716
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,520
cross-examination

717
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:55,980
and Durham

718
00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:56,740
wants to show

719
00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:57,280
that Helson

720
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:57,860
was not

721
00:18:57,860 --> 00:18:58,240
completely

722
00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:58,980
accurate with

723
00:18:58,980 --> 00:18:59,540
his answers.

724
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,060
Concerned with

725
00:19:01,060 --> 00:19:01,500
where this

726
00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:01,880
might be

727
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,160
headed,

728
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,440
defense counsels

729
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,340
initiate a

730
00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:05,380
sidebar with

731
00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:05,820
the judge,

732
00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:06,320
and to be

733
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:06,640
honest,

734
00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:07,820
it's all a

735
00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:08,400
bit convoluted

736
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:08,680
to me,

737
00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:09,520
even with the

738
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:09,820
aid of the

739
00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:10,220
transcript.

740
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:11,400
I am not

741
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:11,740
sure the

742
00:19:11,740 --> 00:19:12,440
following questions

743
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:12,840
and answers

744
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,620
struck a chord

745
00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:14,020
with the

746
00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:14,400
jurors,

747
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:14,640
who are

748
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,260
probably more

749
00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:16,000
confused than

750
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,300
me,

751
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:16,920
since they

752
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:17,140
don't have

753
00:19:17,140 --> 00:19:17,580
the benefit

754
00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:18,040
of hearing

755
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:18,640
or reading

756
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,000
what was

757
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:19,540
said during

758
00:19:19,540 --> 00:19:20,140
the sidebar.

759
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,460
Ultimately,

760
00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:22,540
I think the

761
00:19:22,540 --> 00:19:23,200
questions Durham

762
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:23,980
ended up asking

763
00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:24,760
Helson on this

764
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,660
matter fell

765
00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:26,120
flat.

766
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:27,380
However,

767
00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:28,480
the final

768
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,120
sequence of

769
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:29,720
questions and

770
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,380
answers do

771
00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:30,840
strike a

772
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:31,220
series of

773
00:19:31,220 --> 00:19:31,800
tritones,

774
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,620
the notes

775
00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:33,260
spiking and

776
00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:33,620
ultimately

777
00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:34,460
resolving in,

778
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,120
I think,

779
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,040
a brilliant

780
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:36,980
coda to

781
00:19:36,980 --> 00:19:37,520
this witness.

782
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,320
Question.

783
00:19:39,860 --> 00:19:40,240
And with

784
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:40,700
respect to

785
00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:40,900
Mr.

786
00:19:41,020 --> 00:19:41,260
Steele,

787
00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:41,600
did the

788
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,500
FBI use

789
00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:43,500
information that

790
00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:44,240
was provided

791
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:44,800
by Mr.

792
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,540
Steele in

793
00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:46,100
a FISA

794
00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:47,760
affidavit on

795
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,300
a U.S.

796
00:19:48,580 --> 00:19:48,940
citizen?

797
00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:49,680
Answer.

798
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:50,440
Yes.

799
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:51,960
Question.

800
00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:53,200
So, with

801
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:53,700
respect to

802
00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:53,900
Mr.

803
00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:54,640
Steele, you

804
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,100
were asked

805
00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:55,580
questions

806
00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:56,340
yesterday relating

807
00:19:56,340 --> 00:19:57,160
to a particular

808
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,280
event that

809
00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:58,760
occurred on

810
00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,880
September 22nd.

811
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:00,340
Do you

812
00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:01,060
remember you

813
00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:01,760
met with Mr.

814
00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:02,680
Danchenko on

815
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,860
September 22nd?

816
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:04,440
Answer.

817
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,360
Yes, sir.

818
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:05,920
Question.

819
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:06,720
And in

820
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,280
connection with

821
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:07,860
the meeting on

822
00:20:07,860 --> 00:20:08,820
September 22nd,

823
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:09,520
tell the ladies

824
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,060
and gentlemen

825
00:20:10,060 --> 00:20:10,960
of the jury

826
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,860
whether or

827
00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:12,680
not that

828
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,140
was just a

829
00:20:13,140 --> 00:20:13,540
matter of

830
00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:14,400
days after

831
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,460
FBI agents,

832
00:20:15,740 --> 00:20:16,020
to your

833
00:20:16,020 --> 00:20:16,460
knowledge,

834
00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:17,580
had gone

835
00:20:17,580 --> 00:20:18,120
over and

836
00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:18,820
spoken to

837
00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:19,720
Steele in

838
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,100
London?

839
00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:21,460
Answer.

840
00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:23,100
It was a

841
00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:23,500
couple of

842
00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:24,100
days after

843
00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:25,300
that they

844
00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:25,900
had went

845
00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:27,220
over and

846
00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:27,900
spoke with

847
00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:28,240
Mr.

848
00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:28,960
Steele in

849
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,320
London.

850
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,240
Question.

851
00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:31,960
And with

852
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,580
respect to

853
00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:32,960
the meeting

854
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,560
then on

855
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,460
September 22nd

856
00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:35,200
of 2016,

857
00:20:35,340 --> 00:20:35,460
yeah,

858
00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:36,040
2016,

859
00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:37,160
do you

860
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:37,660
recall,

861
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:38,360
sir,

862
00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:39,840
whether or

863
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,440
not there

864
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,360
were conflicts

865
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,120
between what

866
00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,020
Steele told

867
00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:43,800
the FBI

868
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,720
and what

869
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,000
Mr.

870
00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:46,600
Danchenko

871
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:47,420
is telling

872
00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:48,040
you?

873
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,460
Answer.

874
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,560
Yes.

875
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:51,720
Question.

876
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:53,740
And that's

877
00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:54,400
what was being

878
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,360
explored that

879
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:55,780
day.

880
00:20:56,180 --> 00:20:56,580
Correct.

881
00:20:56,980 --> 00:20:57,320
Answer.

882
00:20:57,660 --> 00:20:58,100
Correct.

883
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:58,700
Question.

884
00:20:59,140 --> 00:20:59,560
And on

885
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,260
another occasion,

886
00:21:00,860 --> 00:21:01,240
do you

887
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:01,960
recall whether

888
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,620
or not you

889
00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:03,160
were asked

890
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,000
to pose

891
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,860
any questions

892
00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:05,680
stemming

893
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,100
from an

894
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:06,740
interview that

895
00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:07,040
had been

896
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,480
done with

897
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:07,940
Olga

898
00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:08,660
Galkina?

899
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:09,760
Answer.

900
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,320
Correct.

901
00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:10,820
Yes.

902
00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:11,240
Question.

903
00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:12,340
And with

904
00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:12,960
respect to

905
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,480
the interview

906
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:13,800
that had

907
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:14,220
been done

908
00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:14,980
with Galkina,

909
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:16,380
were you

910
00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:16,780
provided

911
00:21:16,780 --> 00:21:17,500
questions that

912
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:17,760
you were

913
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,280
supposed to

914
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:18,980
pose to

915
00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:19,200
Mr.

916
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:19,840
Danchenko?

917
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,520
Answer.

918
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,100
Yes.

919
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:22,680
Question.

920
00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:25,060
And why

921
00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:25,700
were those

922
00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:26,460
questions being

923
00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:27,260
posed to

924
00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:27,460
Mr.

925
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,060
Danchenko?

926
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,280
Answer.

927
00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:29,840
Because there

928
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,000
were inconsistencies

929
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:31,660
between her

930
00:21:31,660 --> 00:21:32,520
story and

931
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:32,980
his.

932
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:33,960
Question.

933
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,420
And with

934
00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:36,220
respect to

935
00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:36,460
Ms.

936
00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:37,100
Galkina,

937
00:21:37,820 --> 00:21:38,220
do you

938
00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:38,840
know whether

939
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,620
or not she

940
00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:39,960
had been

941
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,680
disclosed by

942
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:40,900
Mr.

943
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,580
Danchenko as

944
00:21:41,580 --> 00:21:41,960
one of his

945
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,420
sources for

946
00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:43,000
information that

947
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,500
was in the

948
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:43,940
dossier?

949
00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:44,400
Answer.

950
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:44,820
Yes.

951
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:45,320
Question.

952
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,260
And so there

953
00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:47,080
were inconsistent

954
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:47,900
statements from

955
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,180
Steele and

956
00:21:49,180 --> 00:21:50,600
Galkina and

957
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,280
Danchenko?

958
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:52,240
Answer.

959
00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:52,900
Correct.

960
00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:54,740
Question.

961
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,840
And that's why

962
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,700
you were posing

963
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:58,620
questions on

964
00:21:58,620 --> 00:21:59,480
those occasions to

965
00:21:59,480 --> 00:21:59,700
Mr.

966
00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:00,320
Danchenko.

967
00:22:00,460 --> 00:22:00,840
Correct?

968
00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:01,740
Answer.

969
00:22:01,940 --> 00:22:02,200
Yes.

970
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,700
Question.

971
00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:03,880
Do you

972
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,660
recall, sir,

973
00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:06,000
whether or not

974
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,780
there was

975
00:22:06,780 --> 00:22:07,320
independent

976
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,000
evidence to

977
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,440
show that

978
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:08,660
Mr.

979
00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:09,720
Danchenko told

980
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,980
Steele that

981
00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:11,420
it was all

982
00:22:11,420 --> 00:22:12,360
rumor and

983
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:13,020
speculation?

984
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:13,740
Answer.

985
00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:15,080
I didn't see

986
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:15,720
any independent

987
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,780
evidence other

988
00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:17,320
than what he

989
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,880
told me.

990
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,540
Question.

991
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,760
So your

992
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,720
testimony yesterday

993
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,220
on cross

994
00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:22,020
examination is

995
00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:22,940
only based on

996
00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:23,320
what the

997
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,620
defendant told

998
00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:25,060
you.

999
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:25,960
Answer.

1000
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,640
Correct.

1001
00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:27,340
Question.

1002
00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:28,920
And that was

1003
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,700
inconsistent with

1004
00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:30,440
what others had

1005
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:30,940
told you?

1006
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:31,620
Answer.

1007
00:22:31,620 --> 00:22:32,020
Yes.

1008
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:32,860
Question.

1009
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,600
Not you.

1010
00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:34,800
Had told the

1011
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,160
FBI.

1012
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:35,600
Answer.

1013
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,000
Yes.

1014
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:36,440
Question.

1015
00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:37,700
Now, I want

1016
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:38,100
to move to

1017
00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:38,700
another area.

1018
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:40,640
You had

1019
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,540
indicated or

1020
00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:42,540
testified yesterday

1021
00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:43,040
to certain

1022
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,800
matters relating

1023
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,240
to Mr.

1024
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:44,820
Danchenko

1025
00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:45,420
telling you

1026
00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:45,900
about a

1027
00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:47,340
trip and

1028
00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:47,820
being involved

1029
00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:48,160
with Mr.

1030
00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:49,200
Dolan in

1031
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,680
October of

1032
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,120
2016.

1033
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:50,860
Do you

1034
00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:51,380
remember the

1035
00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:51,800
questions

1036
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,400
surrounding

1037
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:52,720
that?

1038
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:53,280
Answer.

1039
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:53,740
Yes.

1040
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,240
Question.

1041
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:54,960
And October

1042
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,880
of 2016 is

1043
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,180
when the

1044
00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:56,780
YPO

1045
00:22:56,780 --> 00:22:58,240
conference took

1046
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,640
place in

1047
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:58,960
Moscow.

1048
00:22:59,200 --> 00:22:59,440
Correct?

1049
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,380
Correct.

1050
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:01,720
Did Mr.

1051
00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:02,340
Danchenko

1052
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:02,960
tell you

1053
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,640
about his

1054
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,260
having been

1055
00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:04,860
in Moscow

1056
00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:05,960
in June

1057
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,640
of 2016?

1058
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,320
No.

1059
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:08,900
He did

1060
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:09,240
not tell

1061
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:09,600
me that.

1062
00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:10,620
Did he

1063
00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:11,040
tell you

1064
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:11,640
anything about

1065
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,060
his having

1066
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:12,460
met with

1067
00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:13,000
or seen

1068
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,340
Mr.

1069
00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:13,900
Dolan

1070
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:14,940
in Moscow

1071
00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:15,620
in June

1072
00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:16,420
of 2016?

1073
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,000
No,

1074
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:18,280
sir.

1075
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:20,160
And do

1076
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,720
you remember

1077
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,440
when you

1078
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,320
learned at

1079
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:22,640
a later

1080
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,220
point in

1081
00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:23,940
time he

1082
00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:24,620
had been

1083
00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:25,340
in Moscow

1084
00:23:25,340 --> 00:23:25,820
in June

1085
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:26,380
of 2016?

1086
00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:27,000
Did you

1087
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,360
talk to

1088
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:27,700
him about

1089
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:28,000
that?

1090
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,440
No.

1091
00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:31,380
In

1092
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:31,820
looking at

1093
00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:32,160
now,

1094
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:32,900
605,

1095
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:33,520
do you

1096
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,000
recognize

1097
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,720
that picture

1098
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,440
from yesterday?

1099
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,420
Yes,

1100
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:36,640
sir.

1101
00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:37,220
And do

1102
00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:37,740
you now

1103
00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:38,080
have a

1104
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:38,540
refreshed

1105
00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:39,280
recollection

1106
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:39,820
as to

1107
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:40,920
when it

1108
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,640
was that

1109
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:41,980
Mr.

1110
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,500
Danchenko

1111
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:43,020
was in

1112
00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:43,440
Moscow

1113
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,760
in June

1114
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,520
of 2016?

1115
00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:46,440
Answer.

1116
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,300
June

1117
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:48,180
14th.

1118
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:48,820
Question.

1119
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,420
All right.

1120
00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:50,840
So he's

1121
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:51,920
there at

1122
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,980
least on

1123
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:53,540
the 14th

1124
00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:53,960
of June?

1125
00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:54,680
Correct.

1126
00:23:55,020 --> 00:23:55,540
And now,

1127
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,780
with respect

1128
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:57,080
to the

1129
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,360
person

1130
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:57,620
who's

1131
00:23:57,620 --> 00:23:57,880
in the

1132
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:58,260
photograph

1133
00:23:58,260 --> 00:23:58,660
with

1134
00:23:58,660 --> 00:23:58,980
Mr.

1135
00:23:59,060 --> 00:23:59,620
Danchenko,

1136
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:00,740
do you

1137
00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:01,340
know

1138
00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:01,880
who that

1139
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,400
person

1140
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,000
even

1141
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:03,620
is?

1142
00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:04,900
I do.

1143
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:05,620
And who

1144
00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:06,080
is that?

1145
00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:07,040
Chuck

1146
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,580
Dolan.

1147
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,020
Question.

1148
00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:11,080
With respect

1149
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,420
to this

1150
00:24:11,420 --> 00:24:11,780
document,

1151
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,060
do you

1152
00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:12,340
recall,

1153
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:12,940
does that

1154
00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:13,280
refresh

1155
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:13,520
any

1156
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,240
recollections

1157
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,600
on your

1158
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,160
part as

1159
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:15,820
to when

1160
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:16,320
it is

1161
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:16,880
that Mr.

1162
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,400
Danchenko

1163
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:17,960
left

1164
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,540
Moscow

1165
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:19,520
in June?

1166
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:20,220
Answer.

1167
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:20,820
It would

1168
00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:21,060
have been

1169
00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:21,520
two days

1170
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,020
after that,

1171
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:23,140
June 16th.

1172
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:23,900
Question.

1173
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,120
And with

1174
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:25,780
respect to

1175
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:26,160
where Mr.

1176
00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:26,660
Danchenko

1177
00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:27,380
went when

1178
00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:27,740
he left

1179
00:24:27,740 --> 00:24:28,140
Moscow,

1180
00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:28,920
is there

1181
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,780
anything in

1182
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:30,740
606-T that

1183
00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:31,340
refreshes your

1184
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:32,060
recollection as

1185
00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:32,880
to answer?

1186
00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:33,880
He went

1187
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:34,940
to London.

1188
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:35,900
Question.

1189
00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:36,900
And with

1190
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:37,640
respect to

1191
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,340
that item,

1192
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,100
does it reflect

1193
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:39,720
what, if

1194
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,200
anything,

1195
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:40,900
he did

1196
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:41,780
in London

1197
00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:42,760
on June

1198
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,740
18th of

1199
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:44,320
2016?

1200
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,440
Answer.

1201
00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:46,740
He gave a

1202
00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:47,100
report.

1203
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:47,900
Question.

1204
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,340
He's in

1205
00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:48,660
Moscow,

1206
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,520
leaves on the

1207
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:50,940
16th,

1208
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:51,640
and on the

1209
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,380
18th,

1210
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,700
he reports

1211
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:54,220
that he had

1212
00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:54,980
given a report

1213
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:56,960
correct in

1214
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,300
London?

1215
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:58,460
In London.

1216
00:24:59,380 --> 00:24:59,660
Now,

1217
00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:00,200
sir,

1218
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:02,000
looking at

1219
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,780
606-T,

1220
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,220
would you

1221
00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:03,900
indicate to

1222
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:04,500
the jurors

1223
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:05,360
how it is

1224
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,160
that you

1225
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,800
determined that

1226
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,000
Mr.

1227
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,500
Danchenko

1228
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:08,240
left Moscow

1229
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:08,780
on June

1230
00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:09,480
16th of

1231
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,020
2016?

1232
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:10,800
Answer.

1233
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,960
The initial

1234
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,680
report starts

1235
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,200
out at

1236
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,120
June 16th

1237
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:15,520
when he

1238
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,000
was reaching

1239
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,420
out to

1240
00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:16,880
Galkina,

1241
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,160
and then

1242
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:18,820
on the

1243
00:25:18,820 --> 00:25:19,740
618

1244
00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:20,360
document,

1245
00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:21,680
or June

1246
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,380
18th

1247
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:22,780
line,

1248
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,400
that was

1249
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:24,860
just blown

1250
00:25:24,860 --> 00:25:25,120
up,

1251
00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:25,780
you can

1252
00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:26,380
see he's

1253
00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:26,800
in London

1254
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,320
at that

1255
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:27,640
point.

1256
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,220
Question.

1257
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,860
This is a

1258
00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:30,680
Facebook entry

1259
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,100
on Mr.

1260
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:31,780
Danchenko's

1261
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:32,040
account?

1262
00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:32,400
Answer.

1263
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:32,700
Yes,

1264
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:32,880
sir.

1265
00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:33,520
Question.

1266
00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:34,200
And then

1267
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,380
if you

1268
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:34,620
look at

1269
00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:35,480
the very

1270
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,460
last entry

1271
00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:36,800
on that

1272
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,200
document,

1273
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:38,120
606-T,

1274
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:39,620
would you

1275
00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:40,280
read into

1276
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:40,700
the record

1277
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:41,180
what the

1278
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:41,680
jurors are

1279
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,160
now reading,

1280
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:42,760
who the

1281
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,400
author is,

1282
00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:44,100
when it

1283
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:44,540
was sent,

1284
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,180
and what

1285
00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:45,720
the body

1286
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,160
is?

1287
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:46,840
Answer.

1288
00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:48,260
The author

1289
00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:48,760
is Igor

1290
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,360
Danchenko.

1291
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,620
It was

1292
00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:51,140
sent on

1293
00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:51,760
June 18th,

1294
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,220
2016,

1295
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,620
and the

1296
00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:53,300
body states,

1297
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:53,660
quote,

1298
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,420
I already

1299
00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:54,840
have a

1300
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,180
report.

1301
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:56,280
I drove

1302
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,680
around

1303
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,120
England.

1304
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,080
I am

1305
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:58,440
walking

1306
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,860
around

1307
00:25:58,860 --> 00:25:59,220
London,

1308
00:25:59,220 --> 00:25:59,660
but my

1309
00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:00,060
mood is

1310
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:00,700
so-so,

1311
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:01,300
although

1312
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:02,280
everything

1313
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,020
seems to

1314
00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:03,880
be wonderful,

1315
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,360
end quote.

1316
00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:05,940
Question.

1317
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:06,700
Now,

1318
00:26:06,860 --> 00:26:07,560
with respect

1319
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,240
to London,

1320
00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:09,240
would you

1321
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:09,500
tell the

1322
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:09,900
ladies and

1323
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:10,320
gentlemen of

1324
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:10,660
the jury,

1325
00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:11,160
to your

1326
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,580
knowledge,

1327
00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:12,460
where was

1328
00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:13,180
Orbis

1329
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:14,200
located?

1330
00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:14,640
That's

1331
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,300
Steele's

1332
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:15,640
company.

1333
00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:16,520
Answer.

1334
00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:17,140
In London.

1335
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:17,920
Question.

1336
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,580
And where

1337
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:19,260
was Christopher

1338
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:19,800
Steele

1339
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,380
located?

1340
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:21,220
Answer.

1341
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,720
In Orbis,

1342
00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:22,280
in London.

1343
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,040
Question.

1344
00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:24,980
Looking at

1345
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:26,540
117A for

1346
00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:27,220
identification

1347
00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:27,900
in its

1348
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:28,340
entirety,

1349
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:28,760
does that

1350
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,360
refresh any

1351
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:30,200
recollections

1352
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,140
as to

1353
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:32,120
when the

1354
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:32,680
very first

1355
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,180
Steele

1356
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:33,680
dossier

1357
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,420
report was

1358
00:26:34,420 --> 00:26:34,740
dated?

1359
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:35,300
Answer.

1360
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,140
June 20th,

1361
00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:37,920
2016.

1362
00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:38,660
Question.

1363
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:39,700
So that

1364
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:39,960
would have

1365
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,460
been two

1366
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:41,400
days after

1367
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:41,940
the entry

1368
00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:42,980
on 606T

1369
00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:43,400
that Mr.

1370
00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:43,860
Danchenko

1371
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:44,220
had said

1372
00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:44,820
he had

1373
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:45,380
just given

1374
00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:46,080
his report?

1375
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:46,900
Answer.

1376
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,640
Yes,

1377
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:47,840
sir.

1378
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,480
Question.

1379
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:49,980
At any

1380
00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:50,500
point in

1381
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:50,760
time,

1382
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:51,200
to the

1383
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,840
best of

1384
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,060
your

1385
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:52,660
recollection,

1386
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,200
did Mr.

1387
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:53,840
Danchenko

1388
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,100
ever tell

1389
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:55,480
you that

1390
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:55,780
he'd been

1391
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:56,240
in Moscow

1392
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:56,880
with Mr.

1393
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,220
Dolan,

1394
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:57,640
he left

1395
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,060
Moscow,

1396
00:26:58,420 --> 00:26:58,780
went to

1397
00:26:58,780 --> 00:26:59,060
London,

1398
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:59,660
made a

1399
00:26:59,660 --> 00:26:59,980
report,

1400
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:00,400
and then

1401
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:00,820
the report

1402
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:01,380
showed up

1403
00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:02,020
two days

1404
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:02,320
later?

1405
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:03,100
Answer.

1406
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:03,680
No,

1407
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,000
sir.

1408
00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:04,660
Question.

1409
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:05,260
Would

1410
00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:05,680
that have

1411
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,020
been of

1412
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:06,760
value to

1413
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,020
you?

1414
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:07,760
Answer.

1415
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,700
Yes.

1416
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:09,680
Question.

1417
00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:10,780
And would

1418
00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:11,100
it have

1419
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:11,780
been pretty

1420
00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:12,640
significant to

1421
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,040
you with

1422
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,180
respect to

1423
00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:14,820
trying to

1424
00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:15,420
identify

1425
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:15,980
sources,

1426
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:16,640
a source of

1427
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,080
information,

1428
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,520
and the

1429
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:17,800
like?

1430
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Answer.

1431
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:18,740
Yes.

1432
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:19,200
Question.

1433
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,300
But that

1434
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:20,700
was not

1435
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:21,580
disclosed to

1436
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:21,840
you?

1437
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:22,360
Answer.

1438
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,020
Correct.

1439
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:23,900
Question.

1440
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,420
Based on

1441
00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:25,560
your,

1442
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,120
by June

1443
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:27,580
15th of

1444
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:28,060
2017,

1445
00:27:28,060 --> 00:27:28,660
you've been

1446
00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:29,120
dealing with

1447
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:29,360
Mr.

1448
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:30,000
Danchenko for

1449
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,640
not days or

1450
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:30,880
weeks,

1451
00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:31,320
but for

1452
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:31,980
months.

1453
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:32,940
Correct?

1454
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:33,600
Answer.

1455
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:33,920
Yeah.

1456
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,840
About three

1457
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,140
or four

1458
00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:35,540
months.

1459
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,180
Question.

1460
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:36,540
In your

1461
00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:36,940
mind,

1462
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:38,280
was there

1463
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:38,800
any

1464
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,420
possibility

1465
00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:40,120
that Mr.

1466
00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:40,700
Danchenko

1467
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:41,200
didn't

1468
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,180
understand

1469
00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:43,640
this kind

1470
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,260
of information

1471
00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:45,040
concerning

1472
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,600
sourcing

1473
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,040
should be

1474
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,560
disclosed

1475
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,120
to you?

1476
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,300
Answer.

1477
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:49,160
No.

1478
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,140
Question.

1479
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:50,440
But it

1480
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:50,780
wasn't.

1481
00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:51,140
Answer.

1482
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,620
Correct.

1483
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:52,540
Question.

1484
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,220
So remind

1485
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:55,000
the jurors,

1486
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,880
if you would,

1487
00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:58,100
in the initial

1488
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:59,140
contacts that

1489
00:27:59,140 --> 00:27:59,820
you had with

1490
00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:00,140
Mr.

1491
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,760
Danchenko,

1492
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,400
how many

1493
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,020
times did

1494
00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:02,540
he say

1495
00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:03,320
he had

1496
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:03,940
had contact

1497
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:04,280
with

1498
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:04,660
Millian?

1499
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,380
Answer.

1500
00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:06,240
One time.

1501
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:06,920
Question.

1502
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:07,700
And was

1503
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:08,440
that consistent?

1504
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:09,160
Answer.

1505
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:09,880
Up until

1506
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,540
this moment.

1507
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:11,240
Question.

1508
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:11,900
Now,

1509
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:13,900
was there

1510
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:14,660
a contradiction

1511
00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:15,480
on October

1512
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,060
24th,

1513
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,620
2017,

1514
00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:17,560
regarding

1515
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,060
what the

1516
00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:18,780
defendant said

1517
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:19,440
to the FBI

1518
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:19,960
regarding

1519
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,520
contacts

1520
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,080
with Millian?

1521
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,700
Answer.

1522
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:23,260
The number

1523
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:24,140
of contacts.

1524
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:24,780
Question.

1525
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:25,800
And what

1526
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,160
was the

1527
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,720
contradiction?

1528
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:27,540
Answer.

1529
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:27,860
It was the

1530
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:28,180
number of

1531
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:28,540
times.

1532
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:28,920
Two

1533
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,740
versus one

1534
00:28:29,740 --> 00:28:30,600
or a

1535
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:30,880
couple

1536
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,460
versus

1537
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:31,860
one.

1538
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:32,560
Question.

1539
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:33,720
So the

1540
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,100
record is

1541
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:34,420
clear,

1542
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,500
and the

1543
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:36,040
jurors

1544
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,600
understand.

1545
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:39,680
What were

1546
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,680
his exact

1547
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,320
words

1548
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,560
relating to

1549
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:42,900
the number

1550
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:43,580
of times?

1551
00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:44,740
Answer.

1552
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:46,060
How many

1553
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:46,620
times did

1554
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:47,020
you meet

1555
00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:47,920
face-to-face

1556
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,760
with Sergei

1557
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,220
Millian?

1558
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:50,420
Danchenko

1559
00:28:50,420 --> 00:28:50,840
stated,

1560
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:51,980
I did not

1561
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:52,420
meet with

1562
00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:52,900
him ever

1563
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:53,520
in person.

1564
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:54,460
I believe

1565
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:54,880
I spoke

1566
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,140
to him

1567
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:55,380
on the

1568
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:55,720
phone a

1569
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:55,920
couple

1570
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,600
of times.

1571
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:57,600
At

1572
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:57,880
least

1573
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,280
someone

1574
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:58,720
who I

1575
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,060
thought

1576
00:28:59,060 --> 00:28:59,600
was him.

1577
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,420
Question.

1578
00:29:01,660 --> 00:29:01,940
Okay.

1579
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,460
And that

1580
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:03,720
was the

1581
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,160
first time

1582
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,480
you heard

1583
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:04,780
about a

1584
00:29:04,780 --> 00:29:04,960
couple

1585
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,100
of

1586
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:05,420
calls?

1587
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Answer.

1588
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,160
Yes.

1589
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:06,900
Question.

1590
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:07,240
And that

1591
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,740
came from

1592
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:07,940
the

1593
00:29:07,940 --> 00:29:08,400
defendant.

1594
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:08,900
Answer.

1595
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:09,380
That

1596
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:09,820
did.

1597
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:10,960
Mr.

1598
00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:11,260
Durham

1599
00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:11,660
says,

1600
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:12,140
thank you,

1601
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,360
sir.

1602
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,320
I have

1603
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:13,720
no

1604
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,780
further

1605
00:29:14,780 --> 00:29:15,960
questions.

1606
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,140
All right.

1607
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:18,540
Before I

1608
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:18,860
read my

1609
00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:19,280
commentary

1610
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,600
right there

1611
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:19,780
in the

1612
00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:20,060
stack,

1613
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,700
I think

1614
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:21,920
that was

1615
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,320
a brilliant

1616
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:22,700
way to

1617
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,060
end with

1618
00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:24,380
Helson

1619
00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:24,780
there,

1620
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,440
Danchenko's

1621
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,680
handling

1622
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,080
agent,

1623
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,080
because he

1624
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:27,760
made Helson

1625
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,400
go through

1626
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,060
so many

1627
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:30,020
key points

1628
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:30,420
that he

1629
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:30,940
was aware

1630
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:31,540
of as

1631
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:32,180
Danchenko's

1632
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:32,420
handling

1633
00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:32,860
agent,

1634
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:33,860
and not

1635
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:34,440
even points

1636
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:34,960
that spoke

1637
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,460
to this

1638
00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:35,840
trial

1639
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,440
necessarily.

1640
00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:37,260
When he

1641
00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:37,700
put together

1642
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:38,340
a timeline

1643
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:38,900
with him

1644
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:39,640
of Danchenko's

1645
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,100
travels,

1646
00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:40,960
from being

1647
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,500
in Moscow

1648
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:42,080
and then two

1649
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:42,520
days later

1650
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,120
in London,

1651
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,160
saying in a

1652
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,460
Facebook

1653
00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:45,060
message to

1654
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:45,520
Galkina

1655
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:45,880
that he

1656
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,220
made a

1657
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:46,600
report

1658
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,120
already,

1659
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:47,880
and then

1660
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,260
two days

1661
00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:48,700
later that

1662
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:49,380
report shows

1663
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:49,800
up in the

1664
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,580
Steele dossier.

1665
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:51,540
Durham is

1666
00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:52,880
connecting this

1667
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,660
joint venture

1668
00:29:53,660 --> 00:29:54,760
conspiracy for

1669
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,020
us in the

1670
00:29:56,020 --> 00:29:57,040
Danchenko trial

1671
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,780
without actually

1672
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:58,520
saying that

1673
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,100
that's what it

1674
00:29:59,100 --> 00:29:59,580
is or that

1675
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:00,040
that is what

1676
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,560
he's doing.

1677
00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:01,960
He got into

1678
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,520
all of those

1679
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,300
things with

1680
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:04,980
Helson because

1681
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:06,240
he can later

1682
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,160
use Helson's

1683
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,120
answers from

1684
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,180
this case in

1685
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:09,980
a future case,

1686
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:10,820
and he can

1687
00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:11,720
put Helson

1688
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,320
back on the

1689
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:12,820
stand and he

1690
00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:13,240
can say,

1691
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:13,880
I want to

1692
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,300
ask you

1693
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:14,920
about this

1694
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,340
trip.

1695
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:16,100
Now,

1696
00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:16,480
remember,

1697
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,060
in the

1698
00:30:17,060 --> 00:30:17,580
Danchenko

1699
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:18,220
trial on

1700
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:18,680
this day,

1701
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:19,360
you said,

1702
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,220
is that still

1703
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:21,680
your answer

1704
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,040
today,

1705
00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:22,340
Mr.

1706
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:22,620
Helson?

1707
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:23,420
He can do

1708
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:23,920
things like

1709
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,620
that using

1710
00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:25,500
this testimony

1711
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,060
from this

1712
00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:27,400
trial.

1713
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,000
It's brilliant,

1714
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,700
and he did

1715
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:29,040
that.

1716
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,600
He didn't

1717
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,080
have to go

1718
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,520
through all

1719
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,000
that he went

1720
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,480
through there.

1721
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:33,000
He could have

1722
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,940
just stuck on

1723
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:34,760
some of the

1724
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,600
answers specifically

1725
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,500
related to the

1726
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:37,260
charges in this

1727
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:38,340
trial, but he

1728
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:39,300
went beyond that

1729
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:39,900
in order to

1730
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:40,940
tell the story

1731
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:42,260
of this joint

1732
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:43,060
venture conspiracy,

1733
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:43,560
in order to

1734
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,220
give us a

1735
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:45,160
glimpse into

1736
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:45,840
it, in

1737
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,360
my opinion.

1738
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,980
So, next

1739
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:49,940
up is Brittany

1740
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:50,540
Herzog.

1741
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,320
Assistant

1742
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,020
Special Counsel

1743
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:52,900
Kielty will

1744
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:53,400
be handling

1745
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,680
this witness.

1746
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:55,700
The usual

1747
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:56,220
biographical

1748
00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:56,920
information has

1749
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,320
gone through

1750
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:57,560
and we

1751
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,020
learned that

1752
00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:58,180
Ms.

1753
00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:58,740
Herzog

1754
00:30:58,740 --> 00:30:59,160
currently

1755
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,600
leads a

1756
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,300
global ethics

1757
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:00,820
team at

1758
00:31:00,820 --> 00:31:01,460
NASDAQ.

1759
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,640
Prior to

1760
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,040
working for

1761
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,080
NASDAQ, she

1762
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,520
was at the

1763
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,320
FBI as an

1764
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:05,780
intelligence

1765
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:06,800
analyst assigned

1766
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,140
to the

1767
00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:07,920
Directorate of

1768
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Intelligence

1769
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,820
out of

1770
00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:09,280
headquarters

1771
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,420
from 2008

1772
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:11,160
to 2019.

1773
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,620
Her primary

1774
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:13,320
focus was

1775
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Russian

1776
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,600
counterintelligence.

1777
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:15,900
In summer

1778
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:17,100
of 2017, she

1779
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:17,740
was assigned to

1780
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:18,040
the Mueller

1781
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,740
Special Counsel

1782
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:19,460
Investigation.

1783
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,600
She was brought

1784
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,260
in by her

1785
00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:22,540
supervisor, Brian

1786
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:22,880
Otten.

1787
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:24,420
After joining

1788
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:24,720
the Mueller

1789
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,520
SCO, she

1790
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:25,840
was brought

1791
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,400
up to speed

1792
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,820
and given

1793
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:27,420
the task

1794
00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:27,820
of looking

1795
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:28,800
into the

1796
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,480
Steele dossier.

1797
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:30,980
Real quick,

1798
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:31,860
Dow 76,

1799
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:32,360
$17.

1800
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Here's to

1801
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:33,880
the fun

1802
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,560
banter along

1803
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:35,940
with the

1804
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:36,640
hard work.

1805
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Kyle, Burning

1806
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Bright says he's

1807
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,200
jealous of your

1808
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,560
talent in the

1809
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:41,920
chat.

1810
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,220
In non-public

1811
00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:47,760
chats, he

1812
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,240
says nice

1813
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,760
things to me,

1814
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,120
but when

1815
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,620
there's public

1816
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:50,140
chats, he

1817
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:50,600
makes sure

1818
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,340
to rib me

1819
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:52,620
there.

1820
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,640
It's all

1821
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,140
kayfabe.

1822
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,100
It's all

1823
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:55,680
kayfabe, and

1824
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,080
that's just

1825
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,400
fine.

1826
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,220
Answer from

1827
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:59,200
Brittany Herzog.

1828
00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:00,580
As an

1829
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:01,060
intelligence

1830
00:32:01,060 --> 00:32:01,760
analyst, we

1831
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,360
were trying to

1832
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,120
identify the

1833
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,780
sourcing for

1834
00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:04,420
the claims in

1835
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:05,000
the dossier,

1836
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:05,920
and specifically

1837
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,020
the national

1838
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:08,140
security threat

1839
00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:09,320
with regards to

1840
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:09,780
the Russian

1841
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:10,500
influence

1842
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:10,980
piece.

1843
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:11,820
Question.

1844
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,280
So is it

1845
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:13,840
fair to say

1846
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,880
sourcing the

1847
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,780
dossier was

1848
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:16,240
one of your

1849
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,640
objectives?

1850
00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:17,800
Answer, yes.

1851
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,480
Question.

1852
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:19,400
And in

1853
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,160
particular, I

1854
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:20,500
mean, it's

1855
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,200
fair to say

1856
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,020
there was a

1857
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:22,300
lot of

1858
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:23,020
dossier reports,

1859
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:23,260
correct?

1860
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:23,660
A fair

1861
00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:24,000
number?

1862
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:24,760
Answer, yes.

1863
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:25,140
Question.

1864
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,200
And a lot of

1865
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,940
names appeared

1866
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:27,280
in those

1867
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,200
dossier reports?

1868
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:28,980
Correct.

1869
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,700
Did you

1870
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:30,900
learn that

1871
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:31,360
there were a

1872
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:31,740
number of

1873
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:32,400
different sources

1874
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:32,780
that the

1875
00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:33,500
defendant relied

1876
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:33,780
on?

1877
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:34,640
Yes.

1878
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:35,600
Did you

1879
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:35,880
have a

1880
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,740
particular focus

1881
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:37,480
on any of

1882
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,080
those sources?

1883
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Answer.

1884
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,120
There were

1885
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,660
a number of

1886
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:41,420
subsources that

1887
00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:41,980
were identified

1888
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:42,740
for investigative

1889
00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:43,740
next steps.

1890
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Question.

1891
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:44,980
Okay.

1892
00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:46,600
And did you

1893
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,080
have a

1894
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,740
particular

1895
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:48,960
individual that

1896
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,580
you focused

1897
00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:50,000
on?

1898
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:51,460
Answer, yes.

1899
00:32:52,260 --> 00:32:52,800
There was an

1900
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,700
individual named

1901
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:55,220
Olga Galkina,

1902
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:56,780
who was, when I

1903
00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:57,780
was assigned to

1904
00:32:57,780 --> 00:32:58,280
the special

1905
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:58,920
counsel's office,

1906
00:32:59,020 --> 00:32:59,820
was my primary

1907
00:32:59,820 --> 00:33:00,920
focus initially.

1908
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:01,740
Question.

1909
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:02,940
What's your

1910
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:03,720
understanding of

1911
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,200
who Ms.

1912
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:05,420
Galkina was?

1913
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:06,240
Answer.

1914
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Ms.

1915
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:08,000
Galkina was

1916
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,560
an associate

1917
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,020
of Mr.

1918
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:09,600
Danchenko,

1919
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,140
who lived in

1920
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:11,160
Cyprus at

1921
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,560
the time.

1922
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,520
She was a

1923
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,200
Russian national,

1924
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:13,800
and she had

1925
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,320
worked for, I

1926
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,040
believe it was

1927
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,700
servers.com,

1928
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,480
service.com,

1929
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:19,280
which was

1930
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:19,960
referenced, I

1931
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:20,500
believe, in

1932
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:21,080
the dossier.

1933
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:21,720
Question.

1934
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:22,160
Okay.

1935
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,520
What, if

1936
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,820
any, steps did

1937
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:25,400
you take to

1938
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,520
investigate Ms.

1939
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:27,060
Galkina?

1940
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:27,880
Answer.

1941
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,940
I reviewed a

1942
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:29,300
number of

1943
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:29,980
documents in

1944
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:31,260
FBI holdings and

1945
00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:31,760
databases.

1946
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:32,420
Question.

1947
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,480
All right.

1948
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,780
You testify that

1949
00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:34,980
Ms.

1950
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:35,660
Galkina was

1951
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:36,420
located in

1952
00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:36,920
Cyprus.

1953
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:37,420
Is that

1954
00:33:37,420 --> 00:33:37,820
correct?

1955
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Answer.

1956
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:38,700
Correct.

1957
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:39,780
Question.

1958
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:40,380
And you

1959
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:41,100
testified that

1960
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:41,740
your understanding

1961
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:42,240
was that Ms.

1962
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:43,120
Galkina was a

1963
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,740
source for the

1964
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:44,180
dossier.

1965
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:45,100
Correct.

1966
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:45,540
Question.

1967
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:46,060
Ms.

1968
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,560
Herzog, are

1969
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,140
you familiar

1970
00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:48,600
with an

1971
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,320
individual by

1972
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:49,840
the name of

1973
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,760
Charles or

1974
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,140
Chuck Dolan?

1975
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:53,480
I am.

1976
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:53,960
And what's

1977
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,480
your understanding

1978
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:54,940
of who Mr.

1979
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:55,840
Dolan is?

1980
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,500
Answer.

1981
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,180
Mr.

1982
00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:57,860
Dolan, to

1983
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:58,480
my understanding,

1984
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,220
having reviewed

1985
00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:00,500
FBI databases,

1986
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,260
had connectivity

1987
00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:04,660
to both Mr.

1988
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,420
Danchenko and

1989
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:05,620
Ms.

1990
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Galkina?

1991
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:07,260
Question.

1992
00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:08,600
So your

1993
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,340
testimony is that

1994
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:10,000
you learned about

1995
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,300
Mr.

1996
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,140
Dolan through the

1997
00:34:11,140 --> 00:34:12,140
various FBI

1998
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:12,800
databases?

1999
00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:13,640
Answer.

2000
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,120
I believe

2001
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,800
information was

2002
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,800
provided to me

2003
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,140
as background

2004
00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:19,320
when I

2005
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,220
onboarded with

2006
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:21,200
the SCO and I

2007
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,180
became aware of

2008
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:23,020
more information

2009
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:23,900
as I researched.

2010
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:24,620
Question.

2011
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:25,060
Okay.

2012
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:26,820
And was there,

2013
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:28,080
did there come a

2014
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,780
time when you

2015
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:29,600
learned that Mr.

2016
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,440
Dolan had a

2017
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,640
relationship with

2018
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Mr.

2019
00:34:32,140 --> 00:34:32,740
Danchenko?

2020
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:33,320
Answer.

2021
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:33,880
Yes.

2022
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:34,840
Question.

2023
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,060
And did there

2024
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:36,840
come a time when

2025
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,520
you learned that

2026
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:37,780
Mr.

2027
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:38,880
Dolan had a

2028
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,220
relationship with

2029
00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:40,480
Ms.

2030
00:34:40,660 --> 00:34:41,220
Galkina?

2031
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,420
Answer.

2032
00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:43,080
Yes.

2033
00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:44,600
I identified

2034
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,000
through open

2035
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,700
source record

2036
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:47,260
checks that

2037
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:47,600
Mr.

2038
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:48,400
Dolan was a

2039
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:48,960
former public

2040
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,980
relations executive

2041
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:50,760
at K-Global

2042
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,320
and Ketchum,

2043
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,100
as well as he

2044
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:53,980
had held former

2045
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:54,820
leadership positions

2046
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:55,200
with the

2047
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Democratic

2048
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Governors

2049
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,760
Association,

2050
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:57,760
as well as

2051
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,300
former President

2052
00:34:58,300 --> 00:34:58,740
Clinton's

2053
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:59,120
Virginia

2054
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,120
election campaign.

2055
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:00,960
Question.

2056
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,480
And in

2057
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,020
connection with

2058
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:03,560
his work with

2059
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Ketchum,

2060
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:04,980
what, if

2061
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:05,600
anything,

2062
00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:06,200
did you

2063
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:06,760
learn?

2064
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:07,460
Answer.

2065
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:08,660
I learned

2066
00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:09,660
that he had

2067
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:10,180
ties to

2068
00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:10,700
Russia and

2069
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:11,080
had worked

2070
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,560
on Russian

2071
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,520
public relations

2072
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:12,940
matters.

2073
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:13,780
Question.

2074
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:15,260
Did there

2075
00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:15,840
come a time

2076
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,220
when you

2077
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:16,800
learned whether

2078
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,100
Mr.

2079
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,800
Dolan worked

2080
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,520
with anybody

2081
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,240
in particular

2082
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:19,640
in the

2083
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:19,880
Russian

2084
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,380
government?

2085
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:21,740
Yes.

2086
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:22,980
Who was

2087
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:23,340
that?

2088
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:25,580
I identified

2089
00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:26,740
that he

2090
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:27,220
had worked

2091
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:27,900
with Dmitry

2092
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:28,400
Peskov

2093
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,080
in the

2094
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,320
Russian

2095
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:29,740
government?

2096
00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:31,080
Question.

2097
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:31,880
Who's

2098
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,240
Dmitry

2099
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:32,640
Peskov?

2100
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:33,740
Answer.

2101
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:34,400
Dmitry

2102
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:34,780
Peskov

2103
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:35,120
is the

2104
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,360
Russian

2105
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:35,760
Presidential

2106
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,560
Administration

2107
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,060
Press

2108
00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:37,720
Secretary.

2109
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:38,860
Question.

2110
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,600
You testified

2111
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,100
that Mr.

2112
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:41,580
Dolan had

2113
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:42,120
a relationship

2114
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,580
with Ms.

2115
00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:43,140
Galkina.

2116
00:35:43,540 --> 00:35:43,800
Correct?

2117
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:44,600
Answer.

2118
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:45,100
Correct.

2119
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:45,900
Did you

2120
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:46,200
do any

2121
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:46,940
travel record

2122
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:47,520
checks on

2123
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:47,820
Mr.

2124
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:48,220
Dolan?

2125
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:49,320
Answer.

2126
00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:49,800
I did.

2127
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:50,280
And what

2128
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,560
did you

2129
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:50,920
learn?

2130
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:51,340
Answer.

2131
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:51,940
I learned

2132
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:52,420
that Mr.

2133
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:53,640
Dolan had

2134
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,160
traveled to

2135
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,020
Cyprus and

2136
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:55,560
had also

2137
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,180
traveled to

2138
00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:56,520
Russia.

2139
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,340
Question.

2140
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:58,020
And with

2141
00:35:58,020 --> 00:35:59,040
did you

2142
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,280
review FBI

2143
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,160
databases with

2144
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,720
respect to

2145
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:01,940
Mr.

2146
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,400
Dolan?

2147
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:02,960
Answer.

2148
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:03,440
I did.

2149
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:03,900
Question.

2150
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:04,360
And what

2151
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:04,880
if anything

2152
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,200
did you

2153
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,700
learn about

2154
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:07,500
his relationship

2155
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:08,400
with Ms.

2156
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:08,860
Galkina?

2157
00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:10,260
I learned

2158
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:11,040
that he had

2159
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,620
had a business

2160
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:12,420
relationship with

2161
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:12,580
Ms.

2162
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:12,980
Galkina,

2163
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,760
had visited

2164
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,220
her in

2165
00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:14,560
Cyprus,

2166
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:15,120
and had

2167
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,040
spent time

2168
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,440
with her.

2169
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,040
Question.

2170
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:17,800
Do you

2171
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,920
recall how

2172
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,940
many times

2173
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:20,520
he visited

2174
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,020
her in

2175
00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:21,400
Cyprus

2176
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,200
approximately?

2177
00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:24,120
Answer.

2178
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,780
I don't

2179
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:25,240
recall the

2180
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:25,820
exact number.

2181
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:27,040
I believe

2182
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,520
it was

2183
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,280
more than

2184
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:28,620
once,

2185
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,220
more than

2186
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:29,500
once,

2187
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:29,800
yes.

2188
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Question.

2189
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:31,940
Was that

2190
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:32,280
an important

2191
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:32,840
fact for

2192
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,020
you?

2193
00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:33,460
Answer.

2194
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:33,780
Yes.

2195
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,080
And why

2196
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:34,340
was that

2197
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:34,740
an important

2198
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:35,260
fact?

2199
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:35,880
Answer.

2200
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,140
Ms.

2201
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,780
Galkina was

2202
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:38,420
a subsource

2203
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:38,720
for the

2204
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:39,380
Steele dossier,

2205
00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:39,860
and as

2206
00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:40,120
such,

2207
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,320
his connectivity

2208
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,200
with her

2209
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,680
was of

2210
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,240
importance.

2211
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Question.

2212
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,960
You testified

2213
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,940
that travel

2214
00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:48,000
record checks,

2215
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:49,520
through travel

2216
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,060
record checks,

2217
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:50,540
you learned that

2218
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:50,780
Mr.

2219
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:51,400
Dolan had

2220
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:51,760
been in

2221
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,060
Moscow.

2222
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:52,800
Correct.

2223
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Do you

2224
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,520
recall when

2225
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,240
that was?

2226
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:55,900
Answer.

2227
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:56,740
I believe

2228
00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:57,080
he had been

2229
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,560
in Moscow

2230
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,480
multiple times,

2231
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:58,920
and I believe

2232
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,240
that it was

2233
00:36:59,240 --> 00:36:59,700
approximately

2234
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:00,160
June,

2235
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:00,520
the summer

2236
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,120
of 2016,

2237
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:01,660
as well as

2238
00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:02,080
October

2239
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,200
2016.

2240
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:04,440
Question.

2241
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:05,740
And did

2242
00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:06,140
there come

2243
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:06,580
a time

2244
00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:06,960
when you

2245
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,460
learned that

2246
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:07,720
Mr.

2247
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:08,260
Danchenko

2248
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:08,680
and Mr.

2249
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,240
Dolan were

2250
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:09,740
in Moscow

2251
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:10,320
together?

2252
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Yes.

2253
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:12,780
How did

2254
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:13,120
you learn

2255
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:13,380
that?

2256
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:14,740
I learned

2257
00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:15,000
it through

2258
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,620
research and

2259
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:16,640
FBI databases.

2260
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:17,300
Question.

2261
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:17,820
All right.

2262
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:19,480
And was

2263
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:19,800
that an

2264
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,520
important fact

2265
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:20,900
to you?

2266
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:22,320
It was.

2267
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:23,880
Tell the

2268
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:24,540
jury why

2269
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:24,940
that would

2270
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:25,180
be an

2271
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:25,480
important

2272
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:25,960
fact.

2273
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:27,360
It was

2274
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:27,720
an important

2275
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,240
fact because

2276
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:28,500
Mr.

2277
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,020
Danchenko

2278
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:30,880
was identified

2279
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,640
as being a

2280
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,240
source for

2281
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:32,620
the Steele

2282
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:33,140
dossier,

2283
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,380
and connectivity

2284
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:35,780
between Mr.

2285
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:36,540
Dolan and

2286
00:37:36,540 --> 00:37:37,160
Danchenko

2287
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:37,760
was important,

2288
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,160
especially

2289
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,960
considering Mr.

2290
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:39,420
Dolan's

2291
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:40,180
connectivity

2292
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:41,740
to Dmitry

2293
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:42,320
Peskov.

2294
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:43,360
Question.

2295
00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:44,800
So it's

2296
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,280
fair to say

2297
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:45,680
that Mr.

2298
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Dolan was

2299
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:46,900
of interest

2300
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:47,560
to you

2301
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,000
as an

2302
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,440
FBI

2303
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,220
analyst?

2304
00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:50,180
Answer.

2305
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:51,540
Correct.

2306
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:52,980
Ms.

2307
00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:53,640
Herzog

2308
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,100
was doing

2309
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:55,080
real work

2310
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,080
to investigate

2311
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:56,740
the sourcing

2312
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:57,000
of the

2313
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,460
dossier.

2314
00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:58,860
It's notable

2315
00:37:58,860 --> 00:37:59,420
to me how

2316
00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:00,100
much information

2317
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:00,880
she sourced

2318
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,500
from FBI

2319
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:02,500
databases and

2320
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:02,980
holding,

2321
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:03,680
as she put

2322
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:03,880
it.

2323
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:04,840
I wonder

2324
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,260
how much

2325
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:05,620
of it was

2326
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:06,260
already there,

2327
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,020
how much

2328
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:07,380
came from

2329
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,020
Danchenko,

2330
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,060
and if anyone

2331
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:09,740
else had been

2332
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:10,440
digging on

2333
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,200
Dolan and

2334
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Galkina before

2335
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:12,320
her.

2336
00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:14,180
Answer.

2337
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:15,780
My

2338
00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:16,360
co-worker,

2339
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,060
Supervisory

2340
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:17,740
Special Agent

2341
00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:18,760
Amy Anderson.

2342
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:19,520
Question.

2343
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,120
And what

2344
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,720
was Amy

2345
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:22,600
Anderson's

2346
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,000
role in

2347
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,600
the FBI?

2348
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:24,900
Answer.

2349
00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:25,280
Amy

2350
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,820
Anderson's

2351
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:25,980
role,

2352
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:26,360
she's an

2353
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:26,620
agent.

2354
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:27,660
Do you,

2355
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:28,720
FBI or

2356
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:29,260
SCO?

2357
00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:29,760
Question.

2358
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,260
What type

2359
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:30,920
of FBI

2360
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,840
agent was

2361
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Agent

2362
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Anderson?

2363
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,040
She was a

2364
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,800
counterintelligence

2365
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,440
analyst as

2366
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:37,520
well.

2367
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:37,980
Sorry,

2368
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:38,540
agent.

2369
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:39,020
Question.

2370
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:39,640
Got you.

2371
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,580
Without getting

2372
00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:41,320
into any of

2373
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,000
the conversations

2374
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,560
that you had

2375
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:42,900
with Ms.

2376
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:43,280
Anderson,

2377
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,100
did you speak

2378
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:45,980
with her about

2379
00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:46,920
Charles Dolan?

2380
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Answer.

2381
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:48,700
Yes.

2382
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:49,520
Question.

2383
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,340
Was it your

2384
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:52,060
understanding that

2385
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:52,880
she was also

2386
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,660
interested in

2387
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:54,680
Charles Dolan?

2388
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:55,440
Answer.

2389
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:55,860
Yes.

2390
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:57,360
Question.

2391
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:57,960
Do you have a

2392
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,560
recollection of

2393
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,200
whether you had

2394
00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:59,920
an interest in

2395
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:00,860
interviewing Mr.

2396
00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:01,340
Dolan?

2397
00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:01,940
Answer.

2398
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Yes.

2399
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,840
I would be

2400
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,540
very interested

2401
00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:05,960
in learning

2402
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,060
when Herzog

2403
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:07,860
and Anderson

2404
00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:09,040
became interested

2405
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,500
in Dolan.

2406
00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:10,620
We know that

2407
00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:11,060
information

2408
00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:11,820
Danchenko gave

2409
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:12,180
on Dolan

2410
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:12,820
led to an

2411
00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:13,640
FBI investigative

2412
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,480
referral in

2413
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,060
January of

2414
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:15,580
2018.

2415
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:16,900
Question.

2416
00:39:17,540 --> 00:39:18,220
Why would you

2417
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:18,480
want to

2418
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,100
interview Mr.

2419
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:19,540
Dolan?

2420
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,100
Answer.

2421
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:21,380
I was concerned

2422
00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:22,220
about a

2423
00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:23,100
national security

2424
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:23,460
threat,

2425
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,520
especially as

2426
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,060
it related to

2427
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:25,260
Mr.

2428
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,780
Dolan's

2429
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:26,360
connectivity

2430
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,140
to the

2431
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:27,640
sources and

2432
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,340
subsources of

2433
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:28,900
the dossier,

2434
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,760
as well as

2435
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,780
his connectivity

2436
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:31,660
to any

2437
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:32,000
Russian

2438
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,380
government

2439
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:32,920
officials?

2440
00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:34,480
Whoa.

2441
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:36,000
This analyst

2442
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:36,980
has pegged

2443
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:37,700
Dolan as

2444
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:38,460
a national

2445
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:39,580
security threat.

2446
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:40,600
A few people

2447
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,160
have forgotten

2448
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,100
to remind you,

2449
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,540
Dolan is a

2450
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:44,760
longtime Clinton

2451
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,120
crony and

2452
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,420
Democrat Party

2453
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:48,500
stalwart,

2454
00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:49,760
and this FBI

2455
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,540
analyst has

2456
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:51,380
identified him

2457
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:52,220
as a national

2458
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:53,400
security threat.

2459
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:56,180
Boy.

2460
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:59,000
Do you

2461
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,340
have an

2462
00:39:59,340 --> 00:39:59,780
understanding,

2463
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:00,160
if any,

2464
00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:00,540
of whether

2465
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:00,900
there were

2466
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:01,220
other

2467
00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:02,020
individuals on

2468
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:02,680
special counsel

2469
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Mueller's

2470
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,500
team who

2471
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:04,040
wanted to

2472
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,740
interview Mr.

2473
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:05,240
Dolan?

2474
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:06,640
Answer.

2475
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:07,200
I have an

2476
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:07,800
understanding of

2477
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,620
various positions

2478
00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:09,140
of other

2479
00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:09,760
members of the

2480
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,020
team.

2481
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,380
Question.

2482
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:10,800
Okay.

2483
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,740
And what

2484
00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:12,080
were some

2485
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:12,400
of those

2486
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:12,880
positions?

2487
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,280
Answer.

2488
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:14,780
Some of the

2489
00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:15,440
positions were

2490
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,100
to not

2491
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,420
investigate Mr.

2492
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:19,860
Dolan.

2493
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:20,900
Question.

2494
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,160
And what

2495
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,400
were some

2496
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:21,760
of the other

2497
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,140
positions?

2498
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:22,880
Answer.

2499
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,760
Some of the

2500
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,360
other positions,

2501
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:24,980
I believe I'm

2502
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:25,540
not entirely

2503
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:26,620
sure where

2504
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:27,260
certain people

2505
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:28,260
stood, but

2506
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:29,900
defense stands

2507
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:30,180
up.

2508
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:30,680
Your honor,

2509
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,120
I'm just

2510
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,360
going to

2511
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:31,920
object because

2512
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,280
it sounds

2513
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:32,720
like she's

2514
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:33,340
speculating.

2515
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:35,540
The court

2516
00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:36,380
asks for a

2517
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:36,920
response.

2518
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:37,660
Mr.

2519
00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:38,160
Mr.

2520
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:38,640
Kielty.

2521
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Question.

2522
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:39,880
Ms.

2523
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,400
Herzog,

2524
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:42,860
did you

2525
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:43,520
want to

2526
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:43,940
interview

2527
00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:44,700
Charles

2528
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:45,180
Dolan?

2529
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:46,000
Answer.

2530
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:46,820
I did.

2531
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:47,560
Question.

2532
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:48,660
Did you

2533
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:49,080
want to

2534
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,960
take additional

2535
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,600
investigative

2536
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,980
steps against

2537
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:52,620
Mr.

2538
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:53,180
Dolan?

2539
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,340
I did.

2540
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:55,800
Do you

2541
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,100
have an

2542
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:56,560
understanding

2543
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,060
of whether

2544
00:40:57,060 --> 00:40:57,880
Special Agent

2545
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:58,700
Anderson

2546
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:00,220
shared those

2547
00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:00,940
concerns?

2548
00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:01,740
Answer.

2549
00:41:02,140 --> 00:41:03,160
She did.

2550
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:03,940
Question.

2551
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,560
Do you

2552
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:05,860
have an

2553
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:06,340
understanding

2554
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:06,840
of whether

2555
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,400
the FBI

2556
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,660
withdrawn?

2557
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,300
Here we

2558
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:12,560
go.

2559
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:13,700
Now things

2560
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:14,120
are getting

2561
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,660
spicy.

2562
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:16,240
Do you

2563
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:16,620
have an

2564
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:17,240
understanding

2565
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,120
of whether

2566
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,980
supervisory

2567
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:21,680
intelligence

2568
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,240
analyst

2569
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,120
Oughton

2570
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,580
shared

2571
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:25,000
those

2572
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,620
concerns?

2573
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:27,180
Answer.

2574
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:27,860
I believe

2575
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:28,340
he shared

2576
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:29,080
those concerns?

2577
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:29,660
Question.

2578
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:31,300
Are you

2579
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:31,900
aware of

2580
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:32,480
whether the

2581
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,300
FBI or

2582
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:33,740
special

2583
00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:34,200
counsel's

2584
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,480
team in

2585
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,260
fact ever

2586
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:35,800
did

2587
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,180
interview

2588
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:38,400
Mr.

2589
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,160
Dolan?

2590
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:40,340
Answer.

2591
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:41,800
To the

2592
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,300
best of my

2593
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:42,620
knowledge,

2594
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:43,520
nobody at

2595
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:43,820
special

2596
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:44,260
counsel's

2597
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:44,980
team interviewed

2598
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:45,380
Mr.

2599
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:45,860
Dolan.

2600
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:47,820
Question.

2601
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:48,620
Do you

2602
00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:49,020
think that

2603
00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:49,320
was a

2604
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:49,880
mistake?

2605
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:50,940
Objection.

2606
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:52,620
Sustained.

2607
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,080
Question.

2608
00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:57,900
Now, in

2609
00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:58,740
connection with

2610
00:41:58,740 --> 00:41:59,540
you testified

2611
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:00,180
that you

2612
00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:00,780
as part of

2613
00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:01,340
your duties

2614
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:02,140
on the

2615
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:02,360
special

2616
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:02,660
counsel,

2617
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,260
you reviewed

2618
00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:04,180
various FBI

2619
00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:04,760
databases.

2620
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:05,160
Is that

2621
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:05,560
correct?

2622
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:06,120
Answer.

2623
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,700
Correct.

2624
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,360
Question.

2625
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,240
And you

2626
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:08,600
reviewed

2627
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,600
various databases

2628
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,160
related to

2629
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:10,300
Ms.

2630
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:10,880
Galkina.

2631
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,500
Is that

2632
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:11,940
correct?

2633
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:12,480
Answer.

2634
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:13,140
Correct.

2635
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,280
Question.

2636
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:15,460
In connection

2637
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:16,100
with that

2638
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:16,840
review of

2639
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,100
those

2640
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:17,680
databases

2641
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,180
did you

2642
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:18,520
prepare

2643
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:18,840
any

2644
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,160
type

2645
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:19,320
of

2646
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:19,720
report?

2647
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,700
I

2648
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:21,140
did.

2649
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:21,940
What

2650
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:22,340
type of

2651
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:22,660
report

2652
00:42:22,660 --> 00:42:23,180
was that?

2653
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,200
I

2654
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:25,820
prepared a

2655
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:26,380
report that

2656
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:27,380
outlined her

2657
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:28,360
connectivity

2658
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,340
with Russian

2659
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:29,680
government

2660
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,180
officials,

2661
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:30,980
other Russians

2662
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:31,560
of interest,

2663
00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:32,820
as well as

2664
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:33,180
Mr.

2665
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,060
Danchenko as

2666
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:34,680
it related to

2667
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,180
the Steele

2668
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:35,840
dossier.

2669
00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:36,820
Question.

2670
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:37,280
Okay.

2671
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,460
Did Mr.

2672
00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:39,380
Dolan appear

2673
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:39,760
in that

2674
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,140
report?

2675
00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:40,840
Answer.

2676
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:41,900
He did.

2677
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:43,000
Question.

2678
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:44,400
Did he

2679
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,200
feature fairly

2680
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,200
prominently in

2681
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:46,700
the report?

2682
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,500
Answer.

2683
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,040
He did

2684
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:48,500
not.

2685
00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:49,760
Did he

2686
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,240
appear in

2687
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:50,620
various

2688
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:51,740
sections of

2689
00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:52,240
your report?

2690
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:53,520
He appeared

2691
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,560
in at least

2692
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,240
one section.

2693
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:56,420
I don't

2694
00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:57,020
recall if he

2695
00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:57,520
appeared more

2696
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:57,980
than once.

2697
00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:58,540
He may

2698
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:58,880
have.

2699
00:42:59,140 --> 00:42:59,420
Question.

2700
00:42:59,820 --> 00:43:00,180
And do

2701
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:00,700
you recall

2702
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:01,260
what that

2703
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:01,960
section was,

2704
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:02,660
what that

2705
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:03,680
related to?

2706
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:04,740
Answer.

2707
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:06,540
I believe

2708
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:07,420
that section

2709
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:08,060
related to,

2710
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:08,780
well, I

2711
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:09,720
believe that

2712
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:10,000
he was

2713
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,560
referenced in

2714
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,260
relation to

2715
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:11,760
his visits

2716
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,180
with Ms.

2717
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,040
Galkina in

2718
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,720
Cyprus, as

2719
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:14,200
well as the

2720
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:14,680
visits to

2721
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,000
Moscow.

2722
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,220
Okay.

2723
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,540
You testified

2724
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:18,960
that was an

2725
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:19,800
important fact

2726
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,160
for you,

2727
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:20,600
correct?

2728
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,440
Correct.

2729
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:24,500
The FBI has

2730
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:25,020
an electronic

2731
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:25,980
filing system

2732
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:26,900
called Sentinel,

2733
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,020
and you will

2734
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:28,700
sometimes see

2735
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:29,480
filings referred

2736
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,160
to as

2737
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,620
electronic

2738
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:31,320
communications

2739
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:31,980
questions or

2740
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:32,800
ECs.

2741
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:34,240
Herzog took

2742
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:34,920
the information

2743
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,400
she had

2744
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,320
gathered and

2745
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,860
composed a

2746
00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:37,640
case file on

2747
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Olga Galkina.

2748
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,740
The information

2749
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:40,380
she had on

2750
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:40,820
Dolan was

2751
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:41,600
included in

2752
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,120
this file.

2753
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,600
Such was her

2754
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,360
concern with

2755
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,180
these individuals.

2756
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:46,900
She serialized

2757
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:47,960
or filed it

2758
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,000
in three different

2759
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,440
places.

2760
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:50,180
Question.

2761
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:51,420
Is there a

2762
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,380
reason why you

2763
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:53,740
serialized it in

2764
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:54,880
three separate

2765
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,920
case files?

2766
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:56,700
Answer.

2767
00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:57,840
I wanted

2768
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,840
others to see

2769
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,480
it who had the

2770
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,420
authority to take

2771
00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:00,920
action.

2772
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Question.

2773
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,080
Okay.

2774
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Why don't you

2775
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,520
explain to the

2776
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,580
jury what that

2777
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:06,260
means?

2778
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:07,400
Answer.

2779
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,380
We had been

2780
00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:10,160
instructed at the

2781
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,800
special counsel's

2782
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,520
office not to

2783
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,100
take further

2784
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:12,800
action on the

2785
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,520
matter involving

2786
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,420
Mr. Dolan and

2787
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:15,260
Mr. Danchenko's

2788
00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:16,200
relationship, and I

2789
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:16,820
believed it needed

2790
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:17,800
to be actioned.

2791
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:18,800
Question.

2792
00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:20,660
So by filing it

2793
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:21,600
in three different

2794
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,380
case files, who

2795
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:24,020
were you hoping

2796
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:24,680
would see it?

2797
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Answer.

2798
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:27,120
I serialized it

2799
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,400
to one case file

2800
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,000
that I believed

2801
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,880
would be reviewed

2802
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,020
by Washington

2803
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:31,880
field office,

2804
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:33,320
FBI headquarters,

2805
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:34,760
and the

2806
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,840
inspector general.

2807
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:39,140
The Washington

2808
00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:39,980
field office,

2809
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:40,780
headquarters,

2810
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:42,040
and the IG.

2811
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,160
Even after the

2812
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,020
special counsel's

2813
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:45,960
office instructed

2814
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,940
them, quote,

2815
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,020
not to take

2816
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:49,140
further action on

2817
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:49,540
the matter

2818
00:44:49,540 --> 00:44:50,400
involving Mr.

2819
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:51,120
Dolan and Mr.

2820
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:51,620
Danchenko's

2821
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:52,260
relationship,

2822
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:54,020
Brittany Herzog

2823
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:55,420
was undeterred

2824
00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:56,580
and sent up a

2825
00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:57,660
flare in three

2826
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:58,240
places.

2827
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,700
Filing with the

2828
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:00,680
IG was

2829
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,860
particularly clever.

2830
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:03,720
Answer.

2831
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,180
To my knowledge,

2832
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:05,780
the inspector

2833
00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:06,660
general reviews

2834
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:07,300
Department of

2835
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:08,060
Justice agencies

2836
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:09,100
to ensure that

2837
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:09,960
actions are being

2838
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,940
taken appropriately.

2839
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Question.

2840
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:12,620
Okay.

2841
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,800
So you wanted

2842
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,480
the inspector

2843
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,800
general to see

2844
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,480
your report on

2845
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,160
Ms. Galkina,

2846
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:18,620
correct?

2847
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:19,840
Correct.

2848
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,400
And that's

2849
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,040
because Mr.

2850
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:23,220
Dolan's name

2851
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:24,000
was in it,

2852
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:24,700
correct?

2853
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:25,000
Correct.

2854
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Yes.

2855
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:28,940
And you thought

2856
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:30,000
Mr. Dolan was

2857
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,560
an important

2858
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,580
individual?

2859
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,340
Answer.

2860
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,080
I believe that.

2861
00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:33,520
Yes.

2862
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Question.

2863
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:36,340
And did you

2864
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:36,900
believe that

2865
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:37,980
further investigative

2866
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:39,360
steps should have

2867
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,040
been taken on

2868
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,880
Mr. Dolan?

2869
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Answer.

2870
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,280
Yes.

2871
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Question.

2872
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,400
If you had

2873
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,860
known that

2874
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:46,600
Mr. Dolan

2875
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,360
was a source

2876
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,240
for the dossier,

2877
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,800
would that have

2878
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,720
been an important

2879
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:51,560
fact for you?

2880
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:51,940
Answer.

2881
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Yes.

2882
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Question.

2883
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:53,780
Why is that?

2884
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:54,620
Answer.

2885
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:56,680
As an analyst,

2886
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,040
we are trained

2887
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,740
to understand

2888
00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:00,440
sourcing and

2889
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,120
where it comes

2890
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,360
from,

2891
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,200
specifically any

2892
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:02,820
biases or

2893
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:03,500
motivations for

2894
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:04,140
that information

2895
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:04,660
so that we

2896
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:05,280
can understand

2897
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,740
how to weigh

2898
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:07,860
that information.

2899
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,360
Mr.

2900
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:09,780
Kielty.

2901
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:10,200
Okay.

2902
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:10,800
No further

2903
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,520
questions.

2904
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,020
Boom.

2905
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,060
Unlike the

2906
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:15,180
previous witnesses,

2907
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:16,480
Herzog is,

2908
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:17,580
for obvious reasons,

2909
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:18,840
friendly to the

2910
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,400
prosecution,

2911
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:20,420
and Kielty

2912
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:21,080
treated her

2913
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,580
accordingly.

2914
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:22,560
Direct

2915
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,160
examination

2916
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:23,820
didn't last

2917
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:24,140
long,

2918
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:24,660
but was

2919
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:25,180
significant.

2920
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:26,120
And not

2921
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:26,740
specifically to

2922
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:27,320
this case.

2923
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:28,180
She wasn't

2924
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:28,780
up there to

2925
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:29,120
convict

2926
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Danchenko,

2927
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:30,720
but rather the

2928
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:31,120
FBI,

2929
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:31,900
Dolan,

2930
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:32,460
Galkina,

2931
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:34,080
and Danchenko.

2932
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,200
Her testimony

2933
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,140
didn't really add

2934
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:37,080
anything to Danchenko's

2935
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,180
1001 charge,

2936
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:39,780
but it did add to

2937
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:40,900
a larger case

2938
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:41,940
against agents

2939
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:42,720
in the Crossfire

2940
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,300
Hurricane,

2941
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:44,520
Mueller SEO,

2942
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:45,940
Washington Field

2943
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:46,300
Office,

2944
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:46,920
and FBI

2945
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,500
headquarters,

2946
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:48,760
and against the

2947
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,000
quote,

2948
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,860
joint venture

2949
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:50,520
conspiracy.

2950
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:52,260
This may be

2951
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:53,480
Durham foreshadowing.

2952
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:54,380
Literally,

2953
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:55,820
he keeps telling

2954
00:46:55,820 --> 00:46:56,800
the story of the

2955
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,380
crime of the

2956
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:58,100
century in these

2957
00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:58,740
indictments and

2958
00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:59,140
filings.

2959
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Good storytelling

2960
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,000
requires some

2961
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:02,700
foreshadowing.

2962
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:04,540
Mr.

2963
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Honorato conducts a

2964
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,320
very short cross

2965
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,220
examination of

2966
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:07,400
Ms.

2967
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:07,860
Herzog.

2968
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Question.

2969
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:09,760
You've met with

2970
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,160
the special

2971
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,920
counsel team a

2972
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,560
number of times,

2973
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,120
is that right?

2974
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:13,800
Correct.

2975
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:14,720
Question.

2976
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:15,480
Somewhere between,

2977
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:15,820
let's say,

2978
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:16,400
two and five

2979
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:16,740
times?

2980
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:18,420
I would say

2981
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:19,020
that's correct.

2982
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Question.

2983
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:21,120
Okay.

2984
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,660
Now, when you

2985
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:24,080
met with the

2986
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,600
special counsel,

2987
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:25,300
you were represented

2988
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,420
sometimes not by

2989
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:28,300
one, but by two

2990
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:28,720
lawyers.

2991
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Is that right?

2992
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:30,140
Answer.

2993
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:30,740
Correct.

2994
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:31,160
Question.

2995
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:32,420
And those lawyers

2996
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:33,760
are what we call

2997
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,480
pro bono lawyers,

2998
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:36,140
meaning that they're

2999
00:47:36,140 --> 00:47:36,880
working for you

3000
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,480
for free.

3001
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:39,060
Answer.

3002
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Correct.

3003
00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:40,100
Question.

3004
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:41,380
And you felt like

3005
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:42,180
you needed to have

3006
00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:43,020
lawyers with you in

3007
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:43,680
your meetings with

3008
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,520
special counsel.

3009
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Is that right?

3010
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:46,360
Answer.

3011
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,040
I wanted somebody

3012
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:47,660
to represent my

3013
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:47,980
interests.

3014
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:48,420
Yes.

3015
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:49,360
Question.

3016
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:50,200
Right.

3017
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:51,520
And one of them

3018
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,700
is in court here

3019
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:53,340
today.

3020
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,220
Is that right?

3021
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Answer.

3022
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,160
Correct.

3023
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:56,960
Question.

3024
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,240
Now, you've never

3025
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,340
met Mr. Danchenko.

3026
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:00,120
Am I correct about

3027
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,400
that?

3028
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:00,780
Answer.

3029
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:01,380
Correct.

3030
00:48:01,580 --> 00:48:01,840
Question.

3031
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:02,300
All right.

3032
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:03,940
I just want to ask

3033
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:05,140
you really one

3034
00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:06,260
simple factual

3035
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:07,200
question about your

3036
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,100
work as an analyst.

3037
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:09,360
Do you think that

3038
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,120
it's important

3039
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
that Corey Lewandowski

3040
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,520
hates Paul Manafort

3041
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,900
to Russian

3042
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:16,600
interference?

3043
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:17,980
Answer.

3044
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:19,380
I don't believe

3045
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:20,100
that that specific

3046
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:20,840
information is

3047
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,800
necessarily critical.

3048
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,980
I think that as it

3049
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:23,980
ties back to any

3050
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:25,440
potential Russian

3051
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,320
government actions

3052
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,000
against the United

3053
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,020
States, it could

3054
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:28,860
play a part in that

3055
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:29,480
question.

3056
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:29,800
Sure.

3057
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,500
But if you read in

3058
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,020
the New York Times

3059
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:34,260
that or you saw on

3060
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:36,340
CNN that Corey

3061
00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:37,660
Lewandowski hates

3062
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:38,580
Paul Manafort,

3063
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,320
that's really not

3064
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,820
something that you

3065
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:41,540
would consider a

3066
00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:42,520
national security

3067
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,360
threat, right?

3068
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:44,060
Answer.

3069
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:44,940
Correct.

3070
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,400
No further

3071
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,100
questions.

3072
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,320
He couldn't get

3073
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,040
much out of her.

3074
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:51,860
There's nothing to

3075
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:52,640
really impugn.

3076
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:53,760
And then Kilty is

3077
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,440
up for redirect.

3078
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:56,320
By Mr. Kilty.

3079
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,020
Question.

3080
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:58,280
Mr. Honorato just

3081
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,920
asked you about

3082
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,640
whether you would

3083
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,140
think it was

3084
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:01,900
important whether

3085
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:03,400
Corey Lewandowski

3086
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,360
provided information

3087
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,420
that Corey Lewandowski

3088
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:06,600
hated Paul Manafort.

3089
00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:06,960
Correct?

3090
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:07,800
Correct.

3091
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:09,580
Would it be relevant

3092
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:10,740
to you if you had

3093
00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:12,440
known that a Trump

3094
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,680
insider had provided

3095
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,420
that information

3096
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:15,080
that was eventually

3097
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,080
put in a Russian

3098
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,940
linked dossier

3099
00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:18,060
against Mr. Trump?

3100
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:18,820
Sorry, could you

3101
00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:19,420
repeat the question?

3102
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:19,840
Sure.

3103
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:22,900
Would it be relevant

3104
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,220
to you if that

3105
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:26,060
information actually

3106
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,060
had come from

3107
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:29,900
somebody the dossier

3108
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,200
claimed to be a

3109
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
Trump insider and

3110
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,520
the dossier was a

3111
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,480
Russian related,

3112
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:36,480
related to Russia

3113
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,480
and Donald Trump's

3114
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,640
connections to Russia?

3115
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:39,320
Correct?

3116
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,480
Correct.

3117
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:40,940
Answer.

3118
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:41,540
Correct.

3119
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:42,580
Question.

3120
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,160
So would it have

3121
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,360
been relevant to

3122
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,500
know in that

3123
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:48,480
dossier that that

3124
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,560
information came from

3125
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,720
a Trump insider?

3126
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:51,440
Answer.

3127
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Yes.

3128
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:54,820
And that's it for

3129
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:55,540
Ms. Herzog.

3130
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:56,780
And just again,

3131
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:57,980
major shout out to

3132
00:49:57,980 --> 00:49:59,300
her because she put

3133
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:00,480
that filing in three

3134
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,220
different places.

3135
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,800
And even if the

3136
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Washington field office

3137
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,620
and FBI headquarters

3138
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:06,480
didn't take a look

3139
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,960
at it, I would

3140
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,180
reckon that the IG

3141
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:09,700
did.

3142
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,180
And he's the one

3143
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:11,760
who can take a

3144
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,720
yardstick to all of

3145
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:13,200
their hands.

3146
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:15,640
So shout out to

3147
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:15,760
her.

3148
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,360
She's awesome.

3149
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,100
Too bad she's no

3150
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:17,920
longer with the FBI.

3151
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:19,280
Her being awesome is

3152
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,240
probably why she isn't

3153
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,400
with the FBI anymore.

3154
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:22,280
All right.

3155
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Next up is FBI

3156
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,820
Special Agent Amy

3157
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:25,380
Anderson.

3158
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:27,440
Defense objects to

3159
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,540
her testifying on the

3160
00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:29,100
grounds that it will

3161
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:30,700
be nearly identical to

3162
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:31,500
what Herzog just

3163
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:32,560
testified to and

3164
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,500
therefore cumulative.

3165
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,280
Judge Tringa

3166
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,280
indicates he'd like to

3167
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:36,760
hear from the

3168
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,560
witness, but

3169
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,420
advises Durham to

3170
00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:39,080
keep the questions

3171
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:39,800
and answers to

3172
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,700
quote, what we

3173
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:41,420
haven't already

3174
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:41,800
heard.

3175
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:43,360
Ms. Anderson has

3176
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,440
not yet arrived at

3177
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,280
the court, so at

3178
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,100
this point they take

3179
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:46,980
their morning break.

3180
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,480
FBI Supervisory

3181
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,360
Special Agent Amy

3182
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,740
Anderson is now on

3183
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:52,160
the stand.

3184
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:53,760
DOJ trial attorney

3185
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,780
Britton Shaw will be

3186
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:55,380
handling direct

3187
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:56,000
examination.

3188
00:50:56,180 --> 00:50:56,680
So that's each

3189
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,660
member of Durham's

3190
00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:59,280
trial team is taking

3191
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,280
a turn with the

3192
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:00,960
witnesses today.

3193
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:01,620
They're all going

3194
00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:03,560
out, you know, the

3195
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,100
case in chief.

3196
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,300
They're all going to

3197
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:06,600
play a part today.

3198
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,380
Ms. Anderson began

3199
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:10,560
working the FBI in

3200
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,000
2010.

3201
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:12,760
She started in San

3202
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,700
Diego, then

3203
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:14,400
transferred to New

3204
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:14,640
York.

3205
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:16,300
In 2016, she was

3206
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:16,760
promoted to

3207
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,780
Supervisory Special

3208
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:18,960
Agent and assigned to

3209
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,060
FBI headquarters in

3210
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:21,220
D.C., where she

3211
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:21,700
worked in the

3212
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:22,420
counterintelligence

3213
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:23,560
division, counter

3214
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,960
espionage section.

3215
00:51:25,340 --> 00:51:27,180
In April of 2017, she

3216
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:28,000
was placed on the

3217
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:28,840
Crossfire Hurricane

3218
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,420
slash Mueller

3219
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:30,140
Special Counsel.

3220
00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:31,680
She moved off that

3221
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,580
assignment and back

3222
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:33,600
to FBI headquarters

3223
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,940
in January 2018.

3224
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,020
She wasn't on it

3225
00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:36,380
very long.

3226
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:37,760
She has done

3227
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,460
counterintelligence

3228
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:39,300
work her entire

3229
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:40,640
career, specifically

3230
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,140
Russian

3231
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:41,960
counterintelligence

3232
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,280
work.

3233
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:44,780
In January 2022, Ms.

3234
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,260
Anderson was

3235
00:51:45,260 --> 00:51:46,300
promoted to ALAT,

3236
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,220
Assistant Legal

3237
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:48,540
Attaché, at the

3238
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:48,820
U.S.

3239
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,880
Embassy in Ottawa.

3240
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,160
Her first

3241
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,160
assignment as part of

3242
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Crossfire Hurricane

3243
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,160
team was to, quote,

3244
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,240
validate the Steele

3245
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:55,740
dossier.

3246
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:56,840
There was a lot of

3247
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,620
reporting out there

3248
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:58,360
that we needed to

3249
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,440
determine if it was

3250
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,280
true or not.

3251
00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:01,960
Ms. Shaw runs

3252
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,560
through the various

3253
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,600
players we are all

3254
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,720
familiar with by now

3255
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:05,940
and then gets to the

3256
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:06,900
important questions.

3257
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Question.

3258
00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:08,500
All right.

3259
00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:10,260
Are you familiar with

3260
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:12,060
the name Olga Galkina?

3261
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:13,540
Answer.

3262
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:14,040
I am.

3263
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:14,800
And how did you become

3264
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,620
aware of Ms. Galkina?

3265
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Through database checks

3266
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,540
that Ms. Herzog was

3267
00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:20,560
conducting within the

3268
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,340
scope of what we were

3269
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:22,260
looking at with regard

3270
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:23,060
to the dossier.

3271
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:24,900
We began looking into

3272
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,440
Ms. Galkina to see if

3273
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,340
she may have information

3274
00:52:27,340 --> 00:52:28,340
related to the Steele

3275
00:52:28,340 --> 00:52:28,800
reporting.

3276
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,420
Question.

3277
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:29,920
All right.

3278
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Do you know what, if

3279
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,120
any, relationship Ms.

3280
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,140
Galkina had to Mr.

3281
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:35,820
Danchenko?

3282
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:36,600
Answer.

3283
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,100
Yes.

3284
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:38,200
They, I believe, were

3285
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:38,720
friends.

3286
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:40,380
They knew each other.

3287
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:41,180
Question.

3288
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:42,860
So in terms of Ms.

3289
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,420
Galkina, what sort of

3290
00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:45,380
steps did you and your

3291
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:46,440
team take with respect

3292
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,700
to investigating her

3293
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:48,140
role?

3294
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:48,920
Answer.

3295
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:50,880
We conducted database

3296
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,220
checks and we

3297
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:53,240
eventually went to

3298
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,540
Cyprus to interview her

3299
00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:55,200
in person.

3300
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:56,120
Question.

3301
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,580
Okay.

3302
00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:58,800
In the course of looking

3303
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,900
into Ms. Galkina, did

3304
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:01,700
you identify any

3305
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:02,500
individual that was

3306
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:03,580
connected to both Ms.

3307
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:04,540
Galkina and the

3308
00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:05,880
defendant, Igor Danchenko?

3309
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:06,600
Answer.

3310
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,260
Yes, we did.

3311
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:08,260
And who was that?

3312
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:11,320
His name was Charles

3313
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:11,760
Dolan.

3314
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,000
Question.

3315
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,220
And how did you learn

3316
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:17,060
of the connection between

3317
00:53:17,060 --> 00:53:17,380
Mr.

3318
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:18,180
Dolan to Ms.

3319
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,260
Galkina and the

3320
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:19,680
defendant?

3321
00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:20,340
Answer.

3322
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:21,620
I believe it was also

3323
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:23,100
database checks and Ms.

3324
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:24,760
Galkina did tell us that

3325
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,400
she knew him.

3326
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:26,260
Both of them.

3327
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:27,040
Question.

3328
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,820
And learning of Mr.

3329
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,020
Dolan's connection to the

3330
00:53:30,020 --> 00:53:31,260
two individuals, what did

3331
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:32,360
you do with respect to

3332
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:32,620
Mr.

3333
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:33,100
Dolan?

3334
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,060
Did you look into him?

3335
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:35,040
Answer.

3336
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,900
I wanted to look into him.

3337
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:39,160
Question.

3338
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:41,460
Did you at this point in

3339
00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:42,100
the investigation?

3340
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:44,020
So prior to going to

3341
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:45,160
Cyprus, as you mentioned,

3342
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:45,800
to see Ms.

3343
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,920
Galkina, did you do any

3344
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,940
open source research

3345
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:48,680
concerning Mr.

3346
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Dolan?

3347
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:49,600
Answer.

3348
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,280
I did.

3349
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:50,940
Question.

3350
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:51,960
And what, if anything,

3351
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:52,660
did you learn?

3352
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:54,380
Answer.

3353
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:56,700
We learned that Mr.

3354
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,860
Dolan had previously

3355
00:53:57,860 --> 00:53:58,960
been employed with a PR

3356
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,640
firm, Ketchum.

3357
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:01,960
That did work for the

3358
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,700
Russian government, in

3359
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,020
particular managing a PR

3360
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:05,160
campaign for the Kremlin.

3361
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,020
Question.

3362
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:07,700
And did you learn whether

3363
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:08,320
or not Mr.

3364
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,420
Dolan had any connections

3365
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:10,500
to Dmitry Peskov?

3366
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:11,140
Answer.

3367
00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:11,780
I did.

3368
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,340
And who is Dmitry

3369
00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:14,080
Peskov?

3370
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Dmitry Peskov is

3371
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,080
President Putin's

3372
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,080
press secretary.

3373
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:19,080
Question.

3374
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,960
As a counterintelligence

3375
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,180
agent, would it be

3376
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:25,300
significant to you to

3377
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:26,460
know about that

3378
00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:27,440
connection and an

3379
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,720
individual involved in

3380
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:29,340
the investigation?

3381
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Answer.

3382
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,720
Yes.

3383
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,360
And why is that?

3384
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:33,120
Answer.

3385
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,220
In the course of

3386
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:36,260
validating the Steele

3387
00:54:36,260 --> 00:54:37,380
dossier, one of the

3388
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:38,320
goals would be to

3389
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,440
determine who had

3390
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,180
access to the

3391
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:41,040
information from the

3392
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,420
reports, to determine

3393
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:43,480
who those sources were,

3394
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:44,980
and anyone who had a

3395
00:54:44,980 --> 00:54:45,940
connection to the Kremlin

3396
00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:47,580
directly, would have

3397
00:54:47,580 --> 00:54:48,720
been extremely important

3398
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:49,300
to know.

3399
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,180
Question.

3400
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,060
In terms of the

3401
00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:53,200
research that you did

3402
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:53,700
into Mr.

3403
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,780
Dolan before traveling

3404
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:55,720
to Cyprus, did you

3405
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:56,780
determine where he was

3406
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:57,340
located?

3407
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:58,040
Answer.

3408
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:58,800
We did.

3409
00:54:59,300 --> 00:54:59,560
Question.

3410
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,620
And without, obviously,

3411
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:02,100
giving an address or

3412
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,940
anything like that, do

3413
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:04,940
you know where he is

3414
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:05,340
located?

3415
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:06,400
Answer.

3416
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:07,260
He's in the D.C.

3417
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:07,640
area.

3418
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,140
Question.

3419
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:09,400
Was he in the

3420
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,240
Commonwealth of

3421
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:10,700
Virginia?

3422
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:11,440
Answer.

3423
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,640
Possibly.

3424
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,520
Not the first time that

3425
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,560
one of the lawyers from

3426
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,100
the Durham SCO has

3427
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:19,420
brought up a location

3428
00:55:19,420 --> 00:55:20,620
of a person involved in

3429
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:21,380
this joint venture

3430
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:21,960
conspiracy.

3431
00:55:22,540 --> 00:55:23,660
I think it is for a

3432
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:23,920
reason.

3433
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,400
It could just be as

3434
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,360
relates to this case and

3435
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,920
nothing more.

3436
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:28,420
We know that Dolan and

3437
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:29,600
Denchenko met in person

3438
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,000
in a park near Falls

3439
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,040
Church, Virginia, on

3440
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,240
January 1st, 2017.

3441
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:34,740
We also know that they

3442
00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:35,780
had breakfast and or

3443
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:37,040
lunch together a number

3444
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:37,600
of times.

3445
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:39,340
A case against Dolan

3446
00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:40,260
would be brought in the

3447
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:41,160
Eastern District of

3448
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:41,840
Virginia, I would

3449
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,100
think.

3450
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:43,900
Anyway, back to the

3451
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:44,240
transcript.

3452
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:45,080
Question.

3453
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:45,640
All right.

3454
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,760
So before we get in,

3455
00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:47,720
excuse me, before we go

3456
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:48,520
to your interview with

3457
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,020
Ms. Galkina, in terms of

3458
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:50,900
the special counsel team,

3459
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,560
did you have the

3460
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:52,680
understanding whether

3461
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,380
anyone else shared your

3462
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:55,820
interest in Mr. Dolan?

3463
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:56,440
Answer.

3464
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,240
Yes.

3465
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:58,280
Question.

3466
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:59,740
And who else was that?

3467
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:00,380
Answer.

3468
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,820
Brian Otten.

3469
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:03,740
Brittany Herzog.

3470
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:05,140
Question.

3471
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:05,720
All right.

3472
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,680
You've told us that

3473
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,420
prior to going to

3474
00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:09,760
Cyprus, you had done

3475
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,620
this research into

3476
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:11,300
Mr. Dolan.

3477
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:12,640
You knew of the

3478
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,560
connection between the

3479
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,420
defendant and Ms.

3480
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:15,500
Galkina and Mr.

3481
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:15,960
Dolan.

3482
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,220
At that time, did you

3483
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:18,160
direct, not direct,

3484
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:20,480
sorry, request that

3485
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,460
Agent Helson inquire of

3486
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:24,020
the defendant about Mr.

3487
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:24,580
Dolan?

3488
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:25,180
Answer.

3489
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:25,820
I did.

3490
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:26,820
Question.

3491
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,340
What, if any,

3492
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:29,580
information did you

3493
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:30,000
learn?

3494
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:31,100
Answer.

3495
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:33,220
I don't recall learning

3496
00:56:33,220 --> 00:56:34,060
anything about Mr.

3497
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,100
Dolan from Mr.

3498
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:35,800
Danchenko.

3499
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:38,680
That contradicts filings

3500
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,820
by the defense and

3501
00:56:39,820 --> 00:56:40,720
some testimony from

3502
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:41,460
Helson, I think.

3503
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,820
Either Anderson was

3504
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:44,100
never informed of what

3505
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:45,120
was learned about Dolan

3506
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,080
from Danchenko or she

3507
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,160
left the investigation and

3508
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,160
went back to headquarters

3509
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,340
before Danchenko was

3510
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:51,420
forthcoming with it.

3511
00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:53,040
Super chat.

3512
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:55,140
Bethary.

3513
00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:56,660
Great job, guys.

3514
00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:57,640
I appreciate you and

3515
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,740
everyone at Badlands

3516
00:56:58,740 --> 00:56:58,980
Media.

3517
00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:00,020
Fifty dollars.

3518
00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:01,080
Thank you so much,

3519
00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:01,520
Bethary.

3520
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:02,480
You rule.

3521
00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:02,860
Thank you.

3522
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:03,920
Question.

3523
00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:05,020
Let's talk about

3524
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:05,480
Cyprus.

3525
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,480
At some point, you

3526
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,220
said you went to

3527
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:09,120
Cyprus to interview

3528
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:09,360
Ms.

3529
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:09,780
Galkina.

3530
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:11,000
About when was

3531
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,420
that?

3532
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:12,020
Answer.

3533
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:13,320
It was approximately

3534
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,460
August of 2017.

3535
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:15,200
Question.

3536
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:16,420
Did you go by

3537
00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:17,180
yourself or with

3538
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:17,500
others?

3539
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:18,380
Answer.

3540
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:18,720
No.

3541
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:20,720
I went with SIA,

3542
00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:22,420
Brian Otten, as

3543
00:57:22,420 --> 00:57:23,260
well as one other

3544
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:23,960
agent from the

3545
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:24,680
Washington field

3546
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,460
office because he

3547
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:26,160
spoke Russian.

3548
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Question.

3549
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:27,560
All right.

3550
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:29,300
Again, the purpose

3551
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:30,360
of that trip, if you

3552
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,660
could, tell the jury

3553
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:33,160
what your goals were for

3554
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,020
interviewing Ms.

3555
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Galkina.

3556
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,200
Answer.

3557
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:36,300
Our goal, again, was

3558
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:36,900
to determine the

3559
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:37,600
sources of each

3560
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,400
Steele report.

3561
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:39,920
We believe that Ms.

3562
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,020
Galkina was a source

3563
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:41,520
of the Steele

3564
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:41,860
reporting.

3565
00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:43,240
Therefore, we wanted

3566
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,020
to interview her

3567
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:45,060
directly to determine

3568
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:46,100
which reporting came

3569
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:47,480
from her and then

3570
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:48,600
motives and any

3571
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,440
information we could

3572
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,240
glean from her

3573
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,160
directly regarding

3574
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:51,880
that reporting.

3575
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:52,640
Question.

3576
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:53,940
How many days did

3577
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:54,420
you spend in

3578
00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:55,280
Cyprus, if you can

3579
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:55,640
recall?

3580
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:56,340
Answer.

3581
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,340
I believe it was

3582
00:57:57,340 --> 00:57:58,260
three or four.

3583
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:58,960
Question.

3584
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,180
And did you

3585
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:01,120
interview with her

3586
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,020
all days?

3587
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Answer.

3588
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,380
Yes, we did

3589
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:04,000
three days.

3590
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:04,700
Question.

3591
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:06,840
And would you

3592
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,700
characterize Ms.

3593
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:08,800
Galkina as

3594
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:09,780
forthcoming with

3595
00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:10,440
her information

3596
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,200
about her role

3597
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,020
with the dossier

3598
00:58:12,020 --> 00:58:13,120
and any information

3599
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:13,620
in it?

3600
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,300
Answer.

3601
00:58:14,420 --> 00:58:14,800
She seemed

3602
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,020
mostly forthcoming.

3603
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,320
Question.

3604
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:18,700
You said

3605
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:19,960
mostly forthcoming.

3606
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:21,000
Was there a

3607
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:21,960
particular area

3608
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:22,540
that she was

3609
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:23,400
not forthcoming

3610
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:23,740
about?

3611
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:24,440
Answer.

3612
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:25,740
Yes.

3613
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,500
She was

3614
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:28,720
hesitant in

3615
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,180
telling us

3616
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:29,780
about Mr.

3617
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:30,320
Dolan.

3618
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:31,220
Question.

3619
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:31,880
All right.

3620
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,240
Let's start

3621
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:33,520
with the

3622
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:33,920
beginning of

3623
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,360
these interviews.

3624
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:34,920
When you

3625
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,860
began interviewing

3626
00:58:35,860 --> 00:58:36,120
Ms.

3627
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Galkina,

3628
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:37,020
did you

3629
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:37,460
specifically

3630
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:38,000
ask her

3631
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,480
about Mr.

3632
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:39,020
Dolan or

3633
00:58:39,020 --> 00:58:39,260
not?

3634
00:58:39,380 --> 00:58:39,640
Answer.

3635
00:58:39,740 --> 00:58:40,280
We did.

3636
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,020
Question.

3637
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:41,900
And if you

3638
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:42,200
could,

3639
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,360
how did she

3640
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,100
react when

3641
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:44,660
you asked

3642
00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:45,140
her about

3643
00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:45,460
Mr.

3644
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:46,140
Dolan the

3645
00:58:46,140 --> 00:58:47,240
first time?

3646
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,040
Answer.

3647
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:49,900
She did

3648
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:50,400
not want to

3649
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:50,940
speak about

3650
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:51,140
him.

3651
00:58:52,460 --> 00:58:52,900
Question.

3652
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:53,640
All right.

3653
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:55,300
And did you

3654
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:55,860
continue to

3655
00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:56,580
ask her about

3656
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:56,860
Mr.

3657
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,140
Dolan every

3658
00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:59,180
day of the

3659
00:58:59,180 --> 00:58:59,560
interview?

3660
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:00,240
Answer.

3661
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,120
We did.

3662
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:02,940
Question.

3663
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:04,660
And did there

3664
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:05,460
come a time

3665
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:06,100
when you

3666
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:07,140
directly asked

3667
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:07,420
Ms.

3668
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,340
Galkina whether

3669
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:08,700
Mr.

3670
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,460
Dolan had a

3671
00:59:09,460 --> 00:59:10,060
connection with

3672
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:10,680
the information

3673
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,560
in the dossier?

3674
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:12,440
Answer.

3675
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:12,860
Yes.

3676
00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:13,540
The last

3677
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:13,880
day.

3678
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:14,780
Question.

3679
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:15,320
All right.

3680
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:16,840
And can you

3681
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,700
describe for the

3682
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:18,520
jury how Ms.

3683
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,620
Galkina reacted

3684
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:20,300
when you asked

3685
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:20,900
her directly

3686
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:21,580
about that?

3687
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,140
Answer.

3688
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:23,200
She was

3689
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,000
slightly hesitant

3690
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,500
and I was,

3691
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:25,420
we were in a car

3692
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:26,480
and I had my

3693
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,300
sunglasses on

3694
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:27,880
and she asked

3695
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:28,460
me to remove

3696
00:59:28,460 --> 00:59:29,220
my sunglasses

3697
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:30,580
so she could

3698
00:59:30,580 --> 00:59:31,280
look me directly

3699
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,020
in the eye

3700
00:59:32,020 --> 00:59:33,180
before she

3701
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:34,420
confirmed that

3702
00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:35,000
it was Mr.

3703
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:35,600
Dolan.

3704
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:39,480
Defense

3705
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:39,920
objects.

3706
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:40,320
May we

3707
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,200
approach the

3708
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,140
court that

3709
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:42,960
says yes.

3710
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:44,860
Defense

3711
00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:45,540
objects to

3712
00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:46,140
this on

3713
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:46,560
hearsay

3714
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,000
grounds.

3715
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:48,040
After a

3716
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:48,760
short sidebar,

3717
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,140
the judge

3718
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:49,620
agrees.

3719
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:50,280
Ms.

3720
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:50,600
Anderson

3721
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,120
saying that

3722
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:51,420
she was

3723
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:52,260
told about

3724
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:52,780
Dolan by

3725
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:53,860
Galkina is

3726
00:59:53,860 --> 00:59:54,300
hearsay.

3727
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,200
But I

3728
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:55,520
think we

3729
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,020
all know

3730
00:59:56,020 --> 00:59:56,380
this is

3731
00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:57,340
true nonetheless

3732
00:59:57,340 --> 00:59:58,180
what was

3733
00:59:58,180 --> 00:59:58,800
stated here

3734
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,240
by her.

3735
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,160
Dolan,

3736
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:00,600
a Clinton

3737
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,020
crony,

3738
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:01,740
was a

3739
01:00:01,740 --> 01:00:02,280
source for

3740
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:02,380
the

3741
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:02,580
Steele

3742
01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:03,060
dossier.

3743
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,120
Here are

3744
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:04,260
some

3745
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:04,680
interesting

3746
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,440
lines from

3747
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:05,640
the

3748
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,080
sidebar.

3749
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:07,240
$17

3750
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:08,100
super chat

3751
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:08,620
from DS

3752
01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:08,920
Power.

3753
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:09,620
We will

3754
01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:10,120
miss this

3755
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,560
team after

3756
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,160
this episode.

3757
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:12,700
Thanks for

3758
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,200
showing us.

3759
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:13,920
There is so

3760
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:14,760
much more to

3761
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:15,080
Durham's

3762
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:15,640
strategy for

3763
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,220
RICO cases.

3764
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,040
Watch them

3765
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,560
on Reading

3766
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,120
Epic Threads

3767
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:18,460
and Just

3768
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:18,780
Human

3769
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:19,580
through the

3770
01:00:19,580 --> 01:00:19,840
week.

3771
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:20,440
Thanks for

3772
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:20,840
the plug,

3773
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,180
bro.

3774
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:21,860
I think we're

3775
01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:22,380
also probably

3776
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:22,940
going to find

3777
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:23,660
some sort of

3778
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:24,160
excuse

3779
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,280
to work

3780
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,960
together again.

3781
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:26,340
I don't

3782
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:26,480
know.

3783
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,980
Just a

3784
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:28,340
hunch.

3785
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:28,780
Okay,

3786
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:29,120
let's

3787
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:29,700
continue.

3788
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:30,080
All right,

3789
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:30,380
so this is

3790
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:30,920
the sidebar,

3791
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:31,200
guys.

3792
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:31,960
The judge

3793
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:32,260
says,

3794
01:00:32,660 --> 01:00:33,120
perhaps you

3795
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:33,640
can refresh

3796
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:33,900
me.

3797
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,040
Ms.

3798
01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:36,360
Shaw

3799
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:36,720
says,

3800
01:00:36,820 --> 01:00:37,080
sure.

3801
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:38,360
The judge

3802
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:38,820
asks,

3803
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:39,800
what was

3804
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,480
asked of

3805
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,000
Galkina?

3806
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:41,900
Ms.

3807
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,220
Shaw.

3808
01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:43,040
So she

3809
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:43,620
was asked

3810
01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:44,140
on the

3811
01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:44,760
last day.

3812
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:46,320
Ms.

3813
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Shaw

3814
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:46,960
says,

3815
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:47,300
Ms.

3816
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:47,460
Shaw

3817
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:47,920
is the

3818
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,800
prosecutor.

3819
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:49,840
On the

3820
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,340
last day,

3821
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:51,240
she is

3822
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:51,800
confronted

3823
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,280
with Mr.

3824
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,040
Dolan as

3825
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:54,480
a source

3826
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:54,800
for the

3827
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,260
information

3828
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:55,560
in the

3829
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,060
dossier.

3830
01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:56,620
The judge

3831
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:56,860
says,

3832
01:00:56,980 --> 01:00:57,220
okay.

3833
01:00:58,660 --> 01:00:58,900
Ms.

3834
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,120
Shaw

3835
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,460
says,

3836
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:00,580
what I

3837
01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:01,240
was planning

3838
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,080
to elicit,

3839
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,320
she was

3840
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:03,700
going to

3841
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:04,060
bring out.

3842
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:04,440
She was

3843
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:05,040
verbally

3844
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,020
commanded

3845
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:07,980
by Ms.

3846
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:08,640
Galkina

3847
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,220
to remove

3848
01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:11,160
her sunglasses.

3849
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,340
Then the

3850
01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:13,040
state of mind

3851
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:13,420
of Ms.

3852
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:13,980
Galkina.

3853
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:14,760
I'm not

3854
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,060
going to,

3855
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:15,720
whatever she

3856
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:16,080
said.

3857
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:17,600
Honorato

3858
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:18,080
says,

3859
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:18,620
so it's

3860
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:19,060
hearsay.

3861
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,180
The judge

3862
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:20,380
says,

3863
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:20,920
isn't

3864
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:21,060
this

3865
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:21,300
all

3866
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:21,600
out

3867
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:21,880
there?

3868
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:23,240
Defense

3869
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:23,540
says,

3870
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:23,880
no,

3871
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:24,220
no,

3872
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:25,180
because

3873
01:01:25,180 --> 01:01:25,620
Dolan

3874
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:26,080
said he

3875
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:26,680
wasn't a

3876
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:27,020
source of

3877
01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:27,620
the dossier,

3878
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:27,940
right?

3879
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:29,320
The judge

3880
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:29,560
says,

3881
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:29,920
right.

3882
01:01:30,580 --> 01:01:31,000
Defense

3883
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:31,360
says,

3884
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:32,440
now Galkina

3885
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,460
is giving

3886
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:34,300
information to

3887
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:34,520
Mr.

3888
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:35,180
Danchenko,

3889
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:36,260
but not

3890
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:37,080
telling him

3891
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:37,720
that it

3892
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,220
came from

3893
01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:38,540
Mr.

3894
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,140
Dolan.

3895
01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:40,060
How does

3896
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:40,500
this tie

3897
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:40,680
into,

3898
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:41,140
there's no

3899
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:42,300
proof that

3900
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:42,560
Mr.

3901
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:43,120
Danchenko

3902
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:43,640
was aware

3903
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:44,100
of that.

3904
01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:45,500
The judge

3905
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:45,760
says,

3906
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:46,340
right.

3907
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:48,440
All right,

3908
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:48,740
now the

3909
01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:49,260
judge ends

3910
01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:49,880
up striking

3911
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:50,600
the last

3912
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,460
part of

3913
01:01:51,460 --> 01:01:51,680
Ms.

3914
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:52,220
Anderson's

3915
01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:53,180
answer to

3916
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:53,760
the previous

3917
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,440
question due

3918
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,100
to hearsay.

3919
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:56,340
And Ms.

3920
01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:56,660
Shaw would

3921
01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:57,060
continue with

3922
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:57,260
direct

3923
01:01:57,260 --> 01:01:57,920
examination,

3924
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:58,660
but the

3925
01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:59,120
reason I

3926
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,260
grabbed that

3927
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:01,060
from the

3928
01:02:01,060 --> 01:02:02,480
sidebar is

3929
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,340
that Mr.

3930
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:03,860
Honorato is

3931
01:02:03,860 --> 01:02:04,320
right,

3932
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:04,640
one,

3933
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:04,980
he's right

3934
01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:05,240
that this

3935
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:05,720
is hearsay,

3936
01:02:05,780 --> 01:02:06,000
but he's

3937
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:06,640
also right

3938
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:07,140
that Dolan

3939
01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:07,960
testified that

3940
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:08,740
he himself

3941
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:09,280
was not a

3942
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:09,620
source.

3943
01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:10,440
But then

3944
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:10,840
you have

3945
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:11,420
Galkina

3946
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:12,940
confirming to

3947
01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:13,420
an FBI

3948
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:14,660
agent that

3949
01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:15,340
he was.

3950
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:16,300
So this

3951
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:16,560
is going

3952
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:16,900
to come

3953
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:17,460
up again,

3954
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,460
this conversation

3955
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:19,480
that is taking

3956
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:20,120
place in a

3957
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:20,660
car in

3958
01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:21,460
Cyprus with

3959
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:22,320
the sunglasses

3960
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,180
and Galkina

3961
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:23,560
is in the

3962
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:24,100
front seat

3963
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:24,380
and the

3964
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:24,860
agents in

3965
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:25,280
the back

3966
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:25,540
and she

3967
01:02:25,540 --> 01:02:26,260
turns around

3968
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:26,920
and has

3969
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,320
her pull

3970
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:27,900
her sunglasses

3971
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:28,880
down and

3972
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:29,320
look her in

3973
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:29,820
the eye and

3974
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:30,320
confirming,

3975
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:30,980
this is going

3976
01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:31,560
to come up

3977
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:31,940
again.

3978
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:32,800
This is

3979
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,940
more foreshadowing,

3980
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:35,420
this is more

3981
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:36,560
like a trailer

3982
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,440
for the future

3983
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,400
Rico case that's

3984
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:38,940
going to involve

3985
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:39,320
Dolan.

3986
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,260
Who the hell

3987
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:40,940
is on trial

3988
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:41,200
here?

3989
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:42,240
Yes.

3990
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:44,280
One of the

3991
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:44,660
things I'm

3992
01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:44,940
noticing,

3993
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:45,320
of course,

3994
01:02:45,340 --> 01:02:46,140
is that part

3995
01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:46,680
of the line

3996
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:47,100
of questioning

3997
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,080
is, so you

3998
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:48,540
guys were

3999
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:49,060
basically

4000
01:02:49,060 --> 01:02:49,980
champing at

4001
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:51,160
the bit to

4002
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:51,920
grab this

4003
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:52,900
Dolan clown,

4004
01:02:53,380 --> 01:02:53,900
at least to

4005
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:54,640
investigate him,

4006
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,040
and something

4007
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,260
stopped you.

4008
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:58,040
Yeah.

4009
01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:59,900
Crossfire hurricane

4010
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:01,440
and the

4011
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,120
Mueller special

4012
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:02,720
counsel was

4013
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,200
like, nope,

4014
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:03,800
we can't get

4015
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:04,380
into that.

4016
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:05,140
But at the

4017
01:03:05,140 --> 01:03:06,000
same time,

4018
01:03:06,380 --> 01:03:07,280
there's what I

4019
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:07,560
have been

4020
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:08,460
calling a

4021
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:08,820
parallel

4022
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:09,940
investigation that

4023
01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:10,520
I've suspected

4024
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:11,040
has been going

4025
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,280
on, and it

4026
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,160
definitely was

4027
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:13,840
because there

4028
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:14,280
was an

4029
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:14,620
element of

4030
01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:15,060
the FBI

4031
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:15,640
that did

4032
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,140
end up

4033
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:16,620
investigating

4034
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:17,140
Dolan,

4035
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,200
and now

4036
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:18,660
that is

4037
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:19,760
with the

4038
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:20,000
Durham

4039
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:20,620
SCO.

4040
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,680
So while

4041
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:23,740
we can look

4042
01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:24,080
at the

4043
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:24,560
Mueller and

4044
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:24,980
the Crossfire

4045
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:25,520
hurricane team

4046
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:25,920
and say they

4047
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:26,280
didn't do

4048
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,520
what they

4049
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:26,780
should have

4050
01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:27,140
done,

4051
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:27,780
that's

4052
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:28,100
correct,

4053
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:28,620
but some

4054
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:29,340
other team

4055
01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:29,960
did do

4056
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:30,300
what they

4057
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:30,600
should have

4058
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:30,880
done.

4059
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,440
The more I've

4060
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:33,820
gotten into

4061
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:34,560
this, I am

4062
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,020
more convinced

4063
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:35,500
than ever

4064
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:36,220
that there

4065
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:37,420
have been

4066
01:03:37,420 --> 01:03:37,900
parallel

4067
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:38,680
investigations

4068
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:39,420
going on

4069
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:40,580
this entire

4070
01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:41,240
time.

4071
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:42,220
This entire

4072
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:42,800
time, there's

4073
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,400
a sting

4074
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,000
happening at

4075
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,380
the same

4076
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:45,820
time that

4077
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:46,260
there's this

4078
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:47,120
hoax, Russia

4079
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,960
Spygate fraud

4080
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:49,700
thing going

4081
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:49,980
on.

4082
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:50,560
Longest

4083
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:51,300
freaking sting

4084
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:51,800
ever.

4085
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,160
Question, so

4086
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:54,960
without telling

4087
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,500
us what

4088
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:56,420
Ms. Galkina

4089
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:57,820
said, what

4090
01:03:57,820 --> 01:03:59,440
if anything

4091
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,520
did you do

4092
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:01,920
after confronting

4093
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,760
Ms. Galkina

4094
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,280
with that

4095
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,060
information?

4096
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,060
Answer, after

4097
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:06,720
we concluded

4098
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,580
the meeting, I

4099
01:04:07,580 --> 01:04:08,240
went back and

4100
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:08,660
spoke with

4101
01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:09,720
Brian Auten

4102
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:10,780
about what

4103
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:11,480
had happened.

4104
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,080
Question, and

4105
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,040
what, if any,

4106
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:15,320
materials or

4107
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:16,340
reports did

4108
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:16,940
you prepare

4109
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:17,920
upon returning

4110
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:18,700
from Cyprus?

4111
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:19,600
Answer, oh, we

4112
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:20,380
prepared a report

4113
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:21,460
of the interviews

4114
01:04:21,460 --> 01:04:22,000
that occurred.

4115
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:22,620
Question, and

4116
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:23,320
did you compile

4117
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,120
anything addressing

4118
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:24,760
the information

4119
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:25,520
that you had

4120
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,160
compiled, you

4121
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:26,800
and Ms. Herzog

4122
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:27,360
had compiled

4123
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,520
on Mr. Dolan?

4124
01:04:28,820 --> 01:04:29,840
Answer, yes, I

4125
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,100
did.

4126
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:31,100
Question, and

4127
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:32,040
what was the

4128
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:32,600
purpose of that

4129
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,440
compilation or

4130
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,440
memo, generally

4131
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:34,940
speaking?

4132
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:36,520
Answer, generally

4133
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,880
speaking, I

4134
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,900
compiled the

4135
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:40,100
reports into

4136
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:40,740
what we could

4137
01:04:40,740 --> 01:04:41,460
call an

4138
01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:41,940
opening

4139
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:42,740
communication

4140
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:43,620
to open

4141
01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:44,700
an investigation.

4142
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,600
Question, and

4143
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,320
in terms of

4144
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:47,880
opening an

4145
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,240
investigation, does

4146
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:49,920
that allow you

4147
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:50,420
to take

4148
01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:51,100
investigative

4149
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:51,860
steps?

4150
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:53,140
Answer, it

4151
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:53,820
does.

4152
01:04:54,260 --> 01:04:54,980
Question, so

4153
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:56,500
prior to the

4154
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:58,140
opening for, oh,

4155
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:59,320
would one

4156
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,380
investigative step

4157
01:05:00,380 --> 01:05:01,660
be sending out

4158
01:05:01,660 --> 01:05:03,160
subpoenas, for

4159
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:03,580
example?

4160
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:04,680
Answer, that would

4161
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:05,400
be an investigative

4162
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:05,860
step?

4163
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,360
Question, and

4164
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:08,340
this is generally

4165
01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:08,940
speaking?

4166
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,680
Answer, nods

4167
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:11,460
head up and

4168
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:11,900
down.

4169
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,420
Question, and

4170
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:13,980
would an

4171
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:14,940
investigative step

4172
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:15,980
be doing an

4173
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:16,740
email search

4174
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:17,100
warrant?

4175
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,680
Answer, yes,

4176
01:05:19,660 --> 01:05:20,300
nods head up

4177
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:20,820
and down.

4178
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,640
Question, and

4179
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,000
would an

4180
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:24,820
investigative step

4181
01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:25,780
be interviewing a

4182
01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:26,020
witness?

4183
01:05:26,580 --> 01:05:26,900
Yes.

4184
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:28,200
Question, all

4185
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:28,740
right, so with

4186
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:29,380
respect to Mr.

4187
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:29,980
Dolan and this

4188
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:30,720
memo that you've

4189
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,380
written, what, if

4190
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:32,660
anything, did you

4191
01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:34,060
do with the

4192
01:05:34,060 --> 01:05:34,300
memo?

4193
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,560
Answer, I

4194
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,360
submitted it to

4195
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,200
my supervisors.

4196
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:38,380
Question, and

4197
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:39,000
when you say

4198
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,200
your supervisors,

4199
01:05:41,540 --> 01:05:42,280
who were your

4200
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,060
supervisors that

4201
01:05:43,060 --> 01:05:43,560
you submitted

4202
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,060
this to?

4203
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:45,520
Answer, it

4204
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:45,740
would have

4205
01:05:45,740 --> 01:05:46,880
been SSA Joe

4206
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,920
Nelson as an

4207
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:48,420
immediate

4208
01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:48,920
approver.

4209
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:49,840
Question, and

4210
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:50,240
what, if

4211
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,080
anything, happened

4212
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,340
after you

4213
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:54,120
submitted this

4214
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:54,400
memo?

4215
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:56,880
Answer, it

4216
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,600
sat for

4217
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,160
approximately

4218
01:05:59,160 --> 01:05:59,720
three or

4219
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:00,400
four weeks.

4220
01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:01,860
Question, and

4221
01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:02,460
what, if

4222
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:03,440
anything, did

4223
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,820
you do after

4224
01:06:04,820 --> 01:06:05,480
three or four

4225
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:05,900
weeks?

4226
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:07,920
Answer, I

4227
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,600
was told to

4228
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,940
close, well, it

4229
01:06:09,940 --> 01:06:10,380
was never

4230
01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:11,380
opened, so I

4231
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:12,680
was told it

4232
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:13,640
was not going

4233
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:14,380
to be opened.

4234
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:16,160
Question, and

4235
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,040
who told you

4236
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:17,460
that?

4237
01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:19,900
Joe Nelson.

4238
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:22,020
I wonder if

4239
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:22,980
Joe Nelson has

4240
01:06:22,980 --> 01:06:23,660
interviewed with

4241
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:25,100
the OIG and

4242
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:25,720
or Durham

4243
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:26,180
SEO.

4244
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,200
Question, were

4245
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,060
you given any

4246
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:30,220
specific reason

4247
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:30,980
why it was

4248
01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:31,740
not to be

4249
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:32,120
opened?

4250
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:33,580
Defense

4251
01:06:33,580 --> 01:06:34,180
objects.

4252
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:35,440
Court

4253
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,200
sustains.

4254
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:38,940
Why is the

4255
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:39,440
court sustained

4256
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:39,860
that objection?

4257
01:06:39,980 --> 01:06:40,300
Why is that

4258
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:40,720
not an okay

4259
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:41,180
question to

4260
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:41,520
ask?

4261
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:44,540
Because it

4262
01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:46,000
would, she

4263
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:46,440
would have to

4264
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,020
say what was,

4265
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:47,540
well, it

4266
01:06:47,540 --> 01:06:48,000
would be

4267
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:48,820
hearsay, I

4268
01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:49,300
think, because

4269
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:49,700
she would have

4270
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:50,420
to speak what

4271
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:51,000
someone else

4272
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:51,560
told her.

4273
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:52,480
Yeah, but

4274
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:52,760
she would,

4275
01:06:52,820 --> 01:06:53,000
no.

4276
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,240
Well, she

4277
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:54,480
would have

4278
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,220
direct knowledge

4279
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:56,700
of it.

4280
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:57,680
Yeah, it's

4281
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,280
direct knowledge.

4282
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,660
What happened

4283
01:06:59,660 --> 01:07:00,300
in your

4284
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:00,740
life?

4285
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,440
Not, I

4286
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:02,880
heard that

4287
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,320
she said

4288
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,800
to him, but

4289
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:05,080
I actually

4290
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:05,580
don't know why

4291
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:05,820
it was

4292
01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:06,340
sustained, and

4293
01:07:06,340 --> 01:07:06,860
it didn't, they

4294
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:07,300
didn't argue

4295
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:07,560
it.

4296
01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:08,460
They didn't, they

4297
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:08,920
didn't go into

4298
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:09,240
an argument.

4299
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,080
That's, that's,

4300
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,240
that's the whole

4301
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,260
page right there,

4302
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:12,900
or the two

4303
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:13,400
pages together.

4304
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,100
I didn't clip

4305
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:14,380
out.

4306
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:15,200
They didn't go

4307
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:15,780
into the reasons

4308
01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:16,200
for it.

4309
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:16,900
She just kept

4310
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:17,260
going.

4311
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:18,520
All right, Ms.

4312
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:18,820
Shaw.

4313
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:19,920
Okay, Ms.

4314
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:20,320
Shaw is the

4315
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,000
defense, is the

4316
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,120
sorry, prosecutor.

4317
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:22,700
Question.

4318
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:23,180
Prosecutor.

4319
01:07:23,580 --> 01:07:24,320
So based on

4320
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,280
your experience and

4321
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:25,660
what you've

4322
01:07:25,660 --> 01:07:26,320
learned so far

4323
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:26,520
in the

4324
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,940
investigation, did

4325
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,160
believe that

4326
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:29,560
further

4327
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:30,100
investigative

4328
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:30,800
steps were

4329
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:31,640
warranted with

4330
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:32,340
respect to

4331
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:33,320
Charles Dolan?

4332
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:33,820
Answer.

4333
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:34,960
I did.

4334
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:35,800
Question.

4335
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:37,180
And we just

4336
01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:37,920
reviewed a

4337
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,140
bunch of

4338
01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:39,580
general

4339
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:40,160
investigative

4340
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,220
steps, subpoenas,

4341
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,220
email warrants,

4342
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:42,800
and then

4343
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:43,320
interviewing.

4344
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:44,360
Would all

4345
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:44,700
of those

4346
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:45,120
things be

4347
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,580
steps that

4348
01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:46,000
you would

4349
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:46,480
have taken

4350
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:46,900
if you

4351
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:47,300
had been

4352
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:48,480
allowed to

4353
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,120
pursue this

4354
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:49,580
avenue?

4355
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:50,860
Answer.

4356
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:52,460
They all

4357
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:52,800
would have

4358
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:53,320
been steps

4359
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,120
that we

4360
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:54,520
would have

4361
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:54,860
considered

4362
01:07:54,860 --> 01:07:55,520
taking once

4363
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:55,720
the

4364
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:56,160
investigation

4365
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,240
was open.

4366
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:58,020
Question.

4367
01:07:58,980 --> 01:07:59,400
And would

4368
01:07:59,400 --> 01:07:59,860
those have

4369
01:07:59,860 --> 01:08:00,400
been important

4370
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,000
steps to

4371
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:01,400
you as

4372
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:02,540
counterintelligence

4373
01:08:02,540 --> 01:08:02,980
as a

4374
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:03,780
counterintelligence

4375
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:04,060
agent?

4376
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:04,680
Answer.

4377
01:08:04,980 --> 01:08:05,480
Yes.

4378
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:06,280
Question.

4379
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:07,980
If you

4380
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:08,720
had learned

4381
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,260
in June

4382
01:08:09,260 --> 01:08:10,260
2017 that

4383
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:10,580
Mr.

4384
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,600
Dolan had

4385
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:12,080
given the

4386
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:12,500
defendant

4387
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:13,560
information that

4388
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,540
ultimately ended

4389
01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:15,120
up in the

4390
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,980
dossier, would

4391
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:16,400
that have been

4392
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:16,980
important to

4393
01:08:16,980 --> 01:08:17,220
you?

4394
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:17,740
Mr.

4395
01:08:17,820 --> 01:08:18,260
Honorato,

4396
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:18,980
the defense

4397
01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:19,660
judge, your

4398
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:20,380
honor, objection.

4399
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,680
It misstates

4400
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:22,320
the evidence.

4401
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,420
The court.

4402
01:08:24,220 --> 01:08:24,740
Rephrase the

4403
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:25,160
question.

4404
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:25,920
Question.

4405
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,000
If you

4406
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:28,640
had learned

4407
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:29,800
in June

4408
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,360
of 2017

4409
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:30,920
that Mr.

4410
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:31,820
Dolan had

4411
01:08:31,820 --> 01:08:32,380
a connection

4412
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:32,860
to the

4413
01:08:32,860 --> 01:08:33,600
defendant and

4414
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,640
information Mr.

4415
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:35,480
Dolan provided

4416
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:36,220
to the

4417
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:36,620
defendant

4418
01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:37,500
appeared in

4419
01:08:37,500 --> 01:08:38,180
the dossier,

4420
01:08:38,620 --> 01:08:39,060
would that

4421
01:08:39,060 --> 01:08:39,400
have been

4422
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:40,140
important for

4423
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:40,580
you to

4424
01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:40,880
know?

4425
01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:41,320
Answer.

4426
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:42,800
Yes.

4427
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:43,240
Question.

4428
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:44,260
Would that

4429
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:45,080
have affected

4430
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,060
your investigation?

4431
01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:46,940
Answer.

4432
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:47,760
Yes.

4433
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:48,440
Question.

4434
01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:49,700
And if you

4435
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:50,440
had known

4436
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:51,380
that Mr.

4437
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:51,960
Dolan had

4438
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:52,580
provided the

4439
01:08:52,580 --> 01:08:52,920
defendant

4440
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:53,800
information that

4441
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,640
he made

4442
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,360
up, would

4443
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:56,680
that have

4444
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,200
been important

4445
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:57,700
for you to

4446
01:08:57,700 --> 01:08:57,960
know?

4447
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:58,480
Answer.

4448
01:08:58,660 --> 01:08:58,960
Yes.

4449
01:08:59,120 --> 01:08:59,380
Question.

4450
01:08:59,560 --> 01:08:59,940
Why?

4451
01:09:00,580 --> 01:09:00,920
Answer.

4452
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,760
The job at

4453
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,460
that time was

4454
01:09:05,460 --> 01:09:06,200
to determine if

4455
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:06,660
the statements

4456
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:07,260
made in the

4457
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:07,900
dossier were

4458
01:09:07,900 --> 01:09:09,000
valid or not.

4459
01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:10,940
So knowing that

4460
01:09:10,940 --> 01:09:11,260
there were

4461
01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:11,840
misstatements,

4462
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:12,480
if that was

4463
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:13,700
accurate, then

4464
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:14,000
that would

4465
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:14,560
have been very

4466
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,600
important to

4467
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,700
know and

4468
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:17,200
part of my

4469
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:17,700
job.

4470
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:18,600
Question.

4471
01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:20,020
And in

4472
01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:20,340
June of

4473
01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:21,340
2017, if

4474
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:21,720
you had

4475
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:22,660
known that

4476
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:22,920
Mr.

4477
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:23,520
Dolan was

4478
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,180
connected to

4479
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:24,780
the defendant

4480
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:26,220
knowing that

4481
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:26,600
he was a

4482
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,180
connection to

4483
01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:28,680
Peskov, would

4484
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:29,020
that have

4485
01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:29,560
been important

4486
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:30,240
for you to

4487
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:30,580
know?

4488
01:09:30,940 --> 01:09:31,240
Answer.

4489
01:09:31,540 --> 01:09:31,840
Yes.

4490
01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:32,220
Question.

4491
01:09:32,380 --> 01:09:32,680
Why?

4492
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:33,540
Answer.

4493
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:36,180
Anyone that

4494
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:36,800
had a direct

4495
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,400
connection to

4496
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:38,100
Peskov was

4497
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:39,380
interesting and

4498
01:09:39,380 --> 01:09:39,780
would have

4499
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:40,300
been important

4500
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:41,000
for us to

4501
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:41,400
know.

4502
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:42,400
Question.

4503
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:44,000
And in

4504
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:44,260
June of

4505
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:45,160
2017, if

4506
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:45,420
you had

4507
01:09:45,420 --> 01:09:46,600
known that

4508
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:46,920
Mr.

4509
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,200
Dolan knew

4510
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:48,700
what the

4511
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:49,280
defendant was

4512
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:49,880
looking for,

4513
01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:50,760
rumor or

4514
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:51,520
innuendo,

4515
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,240
working on

4516
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:53,660
a project

4517
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:54,200
against

4518
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,200
Trump, would

4519
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,180
that have

4520
01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:56,680
been important

4521
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:57,180
for you to

4522
01:09:57,180 --> 01:09:57,500
know?

4523
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:58,140
Answer.

4524
01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:58,560
Yes.

4525
01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:59,120
And why is

4526
01:09:59,120 --> 01:09:59,480
that?

4527
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:00,440
Answer.

4528
01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:01,100
Because again,

4529
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:03,360
we were

4530
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:03,940
trying to

4531
01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:04,780
determine the

4532
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:05,920
validity of

4533
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:06,660
the dossier,

4534
01:10:06,820 --> 01:10:07,260
and if

4535
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:08,140
anyone had

4536
01:10:08,140 --> 01:10:08,880
any kind of

4537
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:09,200
different

4538
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:09,860
motives or

4539
01:10:09,860 --> 01:10:10,900
knew that

4540
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:11,640
something wasn't

4541
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,020
true, then

4542
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:13,400
we would have

4543
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:13,720
needed to

4544
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:14,180
know that.

4545
01:10:14,860 --> 01:10:15,280
Question.

4546
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:16,480
And in

4547
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,260
your experience

4548
01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:18,220
as a Russian

4549
01:10:18,220 --> 01:10:19,360
counterintelligence

4550
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,780
agent, would

4551
01:10:20,780 --> 01:10:21,700
knowing that

4552
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:22,320
someone who

4553
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:22,760
was looking

4554
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,440
for rumors

4555
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:24,440
or allegations

4556
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:24,880
on an

4557
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:25,220
American

4558
01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:25,680
presidential

4559
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,300
candidate be

4560
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:26,720
of interest

4561
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:27,300
to some

4562
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:28,020
Russian actors

4563
01:10:28,020 --> 01:10:28,920
such as

4564
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:29,640
Mr.

4565
01:10:29,740 --> 01:10:30,140
Peskov?

4566
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:31,200
Answer.

4567
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:31,880
Yes.

4568
01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:32,800
Question.

4569
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,400
Now, at

4570
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:35,980
this time,

4571
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:37,140
in June of

4572
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:39,180
2017, did

4573
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:39,740
you have

4574
01:10:39,740 --> 01:10:41,940
any U.S.-based

4575
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:43,960
subsources for

4576
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:44,720
the dossier

4577
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:45,520
identified?

4578
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:46,120
Answer.

4579
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:46,940
Mr.

4580
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:47,500
Danchenko?

4581
01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:48,740
Question.

4582
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:49,220
But beyond

4583
01:10:49,220 --> 01:10:49,660
the defendant?

4584
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,220
Answer.

4585
01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:50,660
No.

4586
01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:52,240
And if you

4587
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:52,720
can recall

4588
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,000
generally, where

4589
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,000
were the other

4590
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,260
subsources located?

4591
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:57,260
Answer.

4592
01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:58,640
They were

4593
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:59,060
overseas.

4594
01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:00,440
We were

4595
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:01,040
aware of

4596
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:01,220
Ms.

4597
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:01,900
Galkina, who

4598
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:02,240
was in

4599
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:02,680
Cyprus.

4600
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:04,100
Question.

4601
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:05,040
So.

4602
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:07,160
Would Mr.

4603
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:07,900
Dolan have

4604
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:08,280
been the

4605
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:08,580
first

4606
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:09,280
subsource

4607
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,560
who was

4608
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,320
located in

4609
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:11,840
the United

4610
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:12,420
States?

4611
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:13,440
Answer.

4612
01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:14,980
Yes.

4613
01:11:15,740 --> 01:11:16,720
And that

4614
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,320
would have

4615
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,400
been huge.

4616
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:19,120
Ms.

4617
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:19,580
Anderson,

4618
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:20,580
like Ms.

4619
01:11:20,580 --> 01:11:21,240
Hertzog,

4620
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:22,420
figured out a

4621
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:23,380
massive connection

4622
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:23,920
in the criminal

4623
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,940
conspiracy early

4624
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:26,460
on and tried to

4625
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:26,820
get their

4626
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:27,800
supervisors on

4627
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:28,200
board with

4628
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:28,840
investigating

4629
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:29,780
Galkina and

4630
01:11:29,780 --> 01:11:30,100
Dolan.

4631
01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:31,440
Their supervisors

4632
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:32,720
were non-responsive,

4633
01:11:32,980 --> 01:11:33,520
it seems.

4634
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:34,800
Rumble

4635
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:35,100
rant,

4636
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,960
117 dollars.

4637
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:39,820
E-S-A-D-M-F.

4638
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:40,900
Badlands Media

4639
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:41,740
is my go-to

4640
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:42,100
channel.

4641
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:42,620
It should be

4642
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:43,780
yours too.

4643
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:44,600
Thank you

4644
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:45,140
very much,

4645
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,300
ESAD-M-F.

4646
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:47,660
Thank you

4647
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:48,300
so much.

4648
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:48,800
Yeah,

4649
01:11:48,940 --> 01:11:49,820
117 bucks.

4650
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:50,420
Kick-ass.

4651
01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:51,300
Smash that

4652
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:51,680
rumble

4653
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,420
rant button,

4654
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:53,500
my dear

4655
01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:53,800
friends.

4656
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:54,020
All right,

4657
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:54,400
question.

4658
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:56,460
Do you

4659
01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:56,920
know if the

4660
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:57,380
FBI, I'm

4661
01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:57,940
sorry, when

4662
01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:58,240
I say

4663
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,020
FBI, do

4664
01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:00,340
you know

4665
01:12:00,340 --> 01:12:01,220
whether anyone

4666
01:12:01,220 --> 01:12:01,720
on the

4667
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:02,480
special counsel

4668
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:03,020
Mueller's

4669
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:03,920
investigation or

4670
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:04,960
Crossfire Hurricane

4671
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,840
ever interviewed

4672
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:07,800
Mr. Dolan?

4673
01:12:08,420 --> 01:12:09,140
Answer, I am

4674
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:09,620
not aware of

4675
01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:09,860
that.

4676
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:11,560
Question, do

4677
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,180
you know if

4678
01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:12,940
anyone on

4679
01:12:12,940 --> 01:12:13,840
Crossfire Hurricane

4680
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,080
or special

4681
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:15,820
counsel Mueller's

4682
01:12:15,820 --> 01:12:16,440
team ever

4683
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:17,300
issued a

4684
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:18,240
subpoena for

4685
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:19,200
documents regarding

4686
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:19,960
Mr. Dolan?

4687
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,120
Answer, not to

4688
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:21,700
my knowledge.

4689
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:23,120
Question, did

4690
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:23,560
they ever

4691
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,360
subpoena any

4692
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:25,380
phone records

4693
01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:25,840
for Mr.

4694
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:26,220
Dolan?

4695
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:28,500
Yes, not to

4696
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:29,060
my knowledge.

4697
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:30,180
Are you aware

4698
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:31,060
of beyond what

4699
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:32,540
you did by

4700
01:12:32,540 --> 01:12:33,120
traveling to

4701
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,660
Cyprus and

4702
01:12:33,660 --> 01:12:34,060
then writing

4703
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:34,660
the memo of

4704
01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:35,320
anything the

4705
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:35,940
special counsel's

4706
01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:36,480
office did with

4707
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:36,940
respect to

4708
01:12:36,940 --> 01:12:37,580
Mr. Dolan?

4709
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:38,920
Answer, no.

4710
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,980
Question, and

4711
01:12:40,980 --> 01:12:41,560
with respect to

4712
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:42,180
the memo that

4713
01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:43,080
you indicated you

4714
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,020
drafted concerning

4715
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:44,960
investigative steps

4716
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:45,640
for Mr. Dolan,

4717
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:46,260
what, if

4718
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:47,360
anything, happened

4719
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:48,380
to that memo?

4720
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:49,240
Do you

4721
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:49,740
know?

4722
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:51,680
Answer, it

4723
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:52,580
was deleted.

4724
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,400
Question, and

4725
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:56,840
do you know

4726
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:57,380
who deleted

4727
01:12:57,380 --> 01:12:57,660
it?

4728
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:58,980
Answer, I

4729
01:12:58,980 --> 01:12:59,320
did.

4730
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:00,960
I mean, I

4731
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,320
did.

4732
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,580
Question, and

4733
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:04,800
why did

4734
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:05,740
you delete

4735
01:13:05,740 --> 01:13:06,020
it?

4736
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,380
Answer, if

4737
01:13:08,380 --> 01:13:08,800
we weren't

4738
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,180
going to

4739
01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:09,600
open the

4740
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,060
case, it

4741
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:11,900
couldn't sit

4742
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:12,360
in our

4743
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:12,920
sentinel

4744
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:13,720
system and

4745
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:14,420
therefore would

4746
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:15,260
just need to

4747
01:13:15,260 --> 01:13:15,980
be deleted.

4748
01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:19,060
Question, and

4749
01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:19,500
sitting here

4750
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:20,060
today, do you

4751
01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:20,580
have any, do

4752
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:21,840
you know why

4753
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,720
you were not

4754
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,220
permitted to

4755
01:13:24,220 --> 01:13:24,700
move forward

4756
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:25,060
with this

4757
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:25,720
investigation?

4758
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:26,800
Mr.

4759
01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:27,240
Honorato,

4760
01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:27,980
objection.

4761
01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:31,380
Ms.

4762
01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:32,740
Shaw, question,

4763
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:34,360
do you

4764
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,300
have personal

4765
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:37,640
knowledge of

4766
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,840
why you

4767
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,320
were not

4768
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:39,900
permitted to

4769
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:40,560
move forward

4770
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,380
with interviewing

4771
01:13:41,380 --> 01:13:41,820
Mr.

4772
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:42,380
Dolan?

4773
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:43,380
Answer, I

4774
01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:44,280
do not.

4775
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:45,820
No further

4776
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:46,380
questions.

4777
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,400
This trial is

4778
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,280
less about

4779
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:51,260
Igor Danchenko

4780
01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:52,580
and more

4781
01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:53,500
about the

4782
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:54,720
FBI and

4783
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,420
Chuck Dolan.

4784
01:13:56,660 --> 01:13:56,900
And now

4785
01:13:56,900 --> 01:13:57,200
on her

4786
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:57,740
delete, this

4787
01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:58,160
quick comment

4788
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:58,400
on her

4789
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,080
deleting it,

4790
01:14:00,180 --> 01:14:01,140
she said she

4791
01:14:01,140 --> 01:14:01,760
deleted it from

4792
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:02,280
the sentinel

4793
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:02,760
system.

4794
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:03,580
That's the

4795
01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:04,500
FBI's internal

4796
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,260
communication

4797
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:05,800
system where

4798
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:06,200
they put their

4799
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:06,800
filings and

4800
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:07,240
memos and

4801
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:07,520
stuff.

4802
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:08,640
She didn't

4803
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,080
say she

4804
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:09,600
deleted it

4805
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,220
from everywhere.

4806
01:14:10,460 --> 01:14:10,780
She didn't

4807
01:14:10,780 --> 01:14:11,160
say she

4808
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:11,520
doesn't have

4809
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:12,220
a copy of

4810
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:12,360
it.

4811
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:12,780
She doesn't

4812
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:13,720
say if

4813
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:14,200
she submitted

4814
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:14,720
anywhere and

4815
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:15,040
she wasn't

4816
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:15,460
asked about

4817
01:14:15,460 --> 01:14:16,220
those things.

4818
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:16,940
She just

4819
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:17,320
said she

4820
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:17,920
deleted that

4821
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,780
memo from

4822
01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:20,000
the sentinel

4823
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:20,440
system.

4824
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:21,320
And I do

4825
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,240
wonder if it

4826
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:22,940
might have

4827
01:14:22,940 --> 01:14:23,360
ended up

4828
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,020
somewhere else

4829
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:24,640
similar to

4830
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:25,540
what Ms.

4831
01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:26,220
Herzog did.

4832
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:30,620
All right.

4833
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:30,920
Mr.

4834
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:31,560
Honorato is

4835
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:32,160
now up for

4836
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,040
cross-examination

4837
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:33,780
of Ms.

4838
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:34,160
Anderson.

4839
01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:35,660
Question.

4840
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:37,700
This is

4841
01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:38,120
the defense

4842
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:38,400
now.

4843
01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:40,280
I think

4844
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:40,520
Ms.

4845
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,040
Shaw asked

4846
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:41,240
you a

4847
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:41,540
number of

4848
01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:41,800
questions.

4849
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:42,120
I'm just

4850
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:42,420
going to

4851
01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:44,020
show that

4852
01:14:44,020 --> 01:14:44,180
your

4853
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:44,660
recollection

4854
01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:45,180
could be

4855
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:45,820
off, not

4856
01:14:45,820 --> 01:14:46,180
to say

4857
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:46,540
that you're

4858
01:14:46,540 --> 01:14:47,140
intentionally

4859
01:14:47,140 --> 01:14:47,740
lying,

4860
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:48,200
okay?

4861
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:49,080
But Ms.

4862
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Shaw asked

4863
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,400
you that

4864
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:51,820
it would be

4865
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:52,560
important for

4866
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:53,140
you to know

4867
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:53,840
the relationship

4868
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,480
between Ms.

4869
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:55,260
Galkina and

4870
01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:55,500
Mr.

4871
01:14:55,580 --> 01:14:56,220
Danchenko and

4872
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:56,440
Mr.

4873
01:14:56,540 --> 01:14:57,440
Dolan in

4874
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:57,780
June of

4875
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:58,320
2017,

4876
01:14:58,540 --> 01:14:58,780
right?

4877
01:14:58,980 --> 01:14:59,660
Answer, yes.

4878
01:14:59,860 --> 01:15:00,100
Question.

4879
01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:00,480
Okay.

4880
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:02,660
I want you to

4881
01:15:02,660 --> 01:15:02,920
look at

4882
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:03,620
defense exhibit

4883
01:15:03,620 --> 01:15:04,540
number 103.

4884
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:06,080
All right.

4885
01:15:06,140 --> 01:15:06,940
I just wanted to

4886
01:15:06,940 --> 01:15:07,460
point out this

4887
01:15:07,460 --> 01:15:08,940
103 because I've

4888
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:09,260
gotten some

4889
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:10,000
questions about

4890
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:10,580
it because the

4891
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:11,420
jury during

4892
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:12,560
deliberations asked

4893
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,500
for exhibit

4894
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:14,940
103 and it

4895
01:15:14,940 --> 01:15:15,440
wasn't in

4896
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:16,320
evidence, so

4897
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,540
therefore they

4898
01:15:17,540 --> 01:15:17,860
couldn't be

4899
01:15:17,860 --> 01:15:18,420
given 103.

4900
01:15:18,820 --> 01:15:19,460
There's two

4901
01:15:19,460 --> 01:15:20,140
different 103

4902
01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:20,660
exhibits.

4903
01:15:20,660 --> 01:15:21,420
There's the

4904
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:21,720
government

4905
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:22,540
exhibit 103

4906
01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:23,140
and there's

4907
01:15:23,140 --> 01:15:24,020
the defense's

4908
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:25,200
exhibit 103.

4909
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,320
Government

4910
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,220
exhibit 103

4911
01:15:27,220 --> 01:15:29,120
is Helson's

4912
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:29,940
own notes from

4913
01:15:29,940 --> 01:15:30,420
his interview

4914
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:31,260
with Danchenko

4915
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:32,000
in November

4916
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,540
2017.

4917
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:33,780
That's not

4918
01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:34,300
in evidence,

4919
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:35,700
but defense

4920
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:36,580
exhibit 103

4921
01:15:36,580 --> 01:15:37,080
is.

4922
01:15:37,260 --> 01:15:38,360
So just FYI

4923
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:39,460
that some of

4924
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:39,840
y'all sent me

4925
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,460
that question,

4926
01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:41,240
that's what's

4927
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:41,780
going on there.

4928
01:15:42,340 --> 01:15:42,740
Question.

4929
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:43,740
Have you had

4930
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:44,120
a chance to

4931
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:44,620
look at that

4932
01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:45,240
answer?

4933
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:46,240
Generally.

4934
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:47,100
Okay.

4935
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:48,140
Do you

4936
01:15:48,140 --> 01:15:49,400
recall asking

4937
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:49,720
Mr.

4938
01:15:49,820 --> 01:15:51,360
Helson to

4939
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:51,620
have a

4940
01:15:51,620 --> 01:15:52,040
conversation

4941
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:52,540
with Mr.

4942
01:15:52,620 --> 01:15:53,140
Danchenko

4943
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:53,880
to get

4944
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:54,820
information for

4945
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:55,080
you?

4946
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:56,760
Answer.

4947
01:15:57,460 --> 01:15:58,240
We did

4948
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:58,960
speak multiple

4949
01:15:58,960 --> 01:15:59,480
times with

4950
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:00,080
Agent Helson

4951
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:00,960
regarding asking

4952
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:01,580
questions of

4953
01:16:01,580 --> 01:16:01,780
Mr.

4954
01:16:01,860 --> 01:16:02,280
Danchenko.

4955
01:16:02,380 --> 01:16:02,720
Yes.

4956
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:03,880
Question.

4957
01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:04,200
Right.

4958
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:05,620
And you would

4959
01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:06,400
agree that this

4960
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:06,980
is an interview

4961
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:08,340
memorandum prepared

4962
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:09,060
from an interview

4963
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:09,560
with Mr.

4964
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:10,160
Danchenko,

4965
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:10,680
correct?

4966
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:11,700
The judge

4967
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:12,140
says,

4968
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:12,640
counsel,

4969
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:14,080
this is not

4970
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:14,760
in evidence,

4971
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:15,500
I don't believe.

4972
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:16,640
Defense lawyer

4973
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:16,880
says,

4974
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:17,440
it is not.

4975
01:16:17,620 --> 01:16:17,840
I'm going to

4976
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,260
try to move

4977
01:16:18,260 --> 01:16:18,540
it in,

4978
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:18,980
your honor,

4979
01:16:19,540 --> 01:16:19,860
the court.

4980
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:20,740
All right.

4981
01:16:21,260 --> 01:16:21,620
Question.

4982
01:16:22,780 --> 01:16:23,060
Would you

4983
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:23,600
agree that

4984
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:24,080
based on

4985
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:24,680
questions you

4986
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:25,220
had asked

4987
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:25,680
of Agent

4988
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:26,060
Helson,

4989
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:27,220
he spoke

4990
01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:27,600
to Mr.

4991
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:28,120
Danchenko

4992
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:28,600
about Mr.

4993
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:29,220
Danchenko's

4994
01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:29,860
knowledge of

4995
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:30,120
Mr.

4996
01:16:30,220 --> 01:16:30,620
Dolan

4997
01:16:30,620 --> 01:16:32,060
in June

4998
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:32,740
of 2017,

4999
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:33,280
right?

5000
01:16:33,580 --> 01:16:33,840
Answer.

5001
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:34,640
It would

5002
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:34,920
have been

5003
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:35,880
myself or

5004
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:36,440
potentially

5005
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:37,020
Brian

5006
01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:37,580
Auton.

5007
01:16:38,340 --> 01:16:38,860
Question.

5008
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:40,640
Does that

5009
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:41,280
document refresh

5010
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:41,640
your memory?

5011
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:42,400
Did you prepare

5012
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,000
those questions

5013
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:43,620
for Agent

5014
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:44,000
Helson?

5015
01:16:44,420 --> 01:16:44,640
Answer.

5016
01:16:44,740 --> 01:16:45,120
I can't

5017
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:45,760
recall if I

5018
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,460
prepared these.

5019
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,120
Question.

5020
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:47,460
Okay.

5021
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:47,840
Okay.

5022
01:16:48,220 --> 01:16:48,800
But turning

5023
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:49,460
back now to

5024
01:16:49,460 --> 01:16:50,000
103,

5025
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:51,340
it appears

5026
01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:52,400
that there

5027
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:52,660
was a

5028
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:53,180
conversation

5029
01:16:53,180 --> 01:16:53,540
between

5030
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:53,940
Agent

5031
01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:54,540
Helson,

5032
01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:55,400
right?

5033
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:56,120
Answer.

5034
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:56,700
Yes.

5035
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:57,300
Question.

5036
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:57,840
Okay.

5037
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,780
And so you

5038
01:16:59,780 --> 01:17:00,400
know that

5039
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:00,640
Mr.

5040
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:01,180
Danchenko

5041
01:17:01,180 --> 01:17:01,960
did tell

5042
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:02,220
him,

5043
01:17:02,940 --> 01:17:03,500
despite what

5044
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:03,700
Ms.

5045
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:04,260
Shaw asked

5046
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:04,460
you,

5047
01:17:04,940 --> 01:17:05,380
that in

5048
01:17:05,380 --> 01:17:05,660
June of

5049
01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:06,160
2017,

5050
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:06,500
Mr.

5051
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:07,040
Danchenko

5052
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:07,820
described the

5053
01:17:07,820 --> 01:17:08,320
relationship

5054
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:08,880
between Ms.

5055
01:17:08,940 --> 01:17:09,580
Galkina and

5056
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:09,860
Mr.

5057
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:10,280
Dolan,

5058
01:17:10,380 --> 01:17:10,620
right?

5059
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:11,320
Answer.

5060
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,060
I would

5061
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:12,320
have to

5062
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:12,840
read this.

5063
01:17:13,060 --> 01:17:13,580
Read it.

5064
01:17:13,660 --> 01:17:13,960
Read it.

5065
01:17:14,180 --> 01:17:14,560
See if it

5066
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,060
refreshes your

5067
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:15,380
memory.

5068
01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:16,300
Question.

5069
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:18,040
This is going

5070
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:18,800
to cover every

5071
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:19,180
question,

5072
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:19,700
and I think

5073
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:20,040
there are

5074
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:20,800
probably five

5075
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:21,320
or six of

5076
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:21,480
them,

5077
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:22,180
by Ms.

5078
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:22,440
Shaw,

5079
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:22,960
about the

5080
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:23,580
basis of

5081
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:24,160
information

5082
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:24,960
that would

5083
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:25,320
have helped

5084
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:25,720
you in

5085
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:26,780
June had

5086
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:27,260
you known

5087
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:27,920
the information.

5088
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:28,300
Okay?

5089
01:17:28,660 --> 01:17:28,800
Answer.

5090
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:29,080
Okay.

5091
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:29,600
So it's fair

5092
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,540
to say that

5093
01:17:30,540 --> 01:17:31,360
you knew that

5094
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:31,600
Mr.

5095
01:17:31,660 --> 01:17:32,320
Danchenko had

5096
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:32,960
known him

5097
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:33,500
for about

5098
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:34,680
11 years

5099
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:35,360
at that time,

5100
01:17:35,420 --> 01:17:35,640
right?

5101
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:36,860
Yes.

5102
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:38,640
But got to

5103
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,000
know him

5104
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,860
more personally

5105
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:40,540
in the last

5106
01:17:40,540 --> 01:17:41,180
couple of

5107
01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:41,540
years,

5108
01:17:41,780 --> 01:17:42,280
right?

5109
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:43,360
Right.

5110
01:17:43,860 --> 01:17:44,580
And he

5111
01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:45,220
referenced that

5112
01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:46,320
October 2016

5113
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:46,980
conference,

5114
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:47,560
right?

5115
01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:48,940
Yes.

5116
01:17:49,380 --> 01:17:49,940
And he

5117
01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:50,460
referenced that

5118
01:17:50,460 --> 01:17:50,960
he lives in

5119
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:51,340
Moscow,

5120
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:52,120
right?

5121
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:52,940
Right.

5122
01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:54,700
Question.

5123
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:56,680
Okay.

5124
01:17:57,500 --> 01:17:58,460
And are you

5125
01:17:58,460 --> 01:17:59,040
aware that

5126
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:59,260
Mr.

5127
01:17:59,340 --> 01:17:59,800
Danchenko

5128
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:00,220
in June,

5129
01:18:00,980 --> 01:18:01,560
despite what

5130
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:01,800
Ms.

5131
01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:02,540
Shaw asked

5132
01:18:02,540 --> 01:18:02,920
you and

5133
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:03,720
despite what

5134
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:04,320
you told

5135
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:04,560
her,

5136
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:05,460
actually

5137
01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:06,160
described

5138
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:06,820
that Mr.

5139
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:07,240
Dolan

5140
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,120
knew the

5141
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:08,380
press

5142
01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:08,860
secretary

5143
01:18:08,860 --> 01:18:09,160
of

5144
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:09,740
Vladimir

5145
01:18:09,740 --> 01:18:10,280
Putin,

5146
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:10,900
right?

5147
01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:11,700
Answer.

5148
01:18:11,860 --> 01:18:12,320
According to

5149
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:12,840
this document,

5150
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:13,400
yes.

5151
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:14,160
Question.

5152
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:14,420
Yeah.

5153
01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:14,800
And it came

5154
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:15,140
from Mr.

5155
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:15,800
Danchenko,

5156
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:16,200
right?

5157
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:16,780
Answer.

5158
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:17,160
Yes.

5159
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:17,580
Question.

5160
01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:17,900
Okay.

5161
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:18,780
And so you

5162
01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:20,100
said that

5163
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:20,800
if you knew

5164
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:21,360
there was a

5165
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,040
connection back

5166
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:22,560
in June

5167
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,380
of Mr.

5168
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:23,920
Peskov

5169
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:24,480
and Mr.

5170
01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:25,020
Dolan,

5171
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:25,740
that would

5172
01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:26,420
be significant,

5173
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:26,760
right?

5174
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:27,200
Answer.

5175
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:27,540
Yes.

5176
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:27,980
And you

5177
01:18:27,980 --> 01:18:28,340
knew it

5178
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:28,880
in June,

5179
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:29,440
right?

5180
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:29,960
Answer.

5181
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:30,300
Yes.

5182
01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:30,920
And when

5183
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:31,540
you testified,

5184
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:32,320
you weren't

5185
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:33,100
trying to lie,

5186
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:33,660
were you?

5187
01:18:34,060 --> 01:18:34,260
Answer.

5188
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,460
Absolutely not

5189
01:18:35,460 --> 01:18:36,080
trying to lie.

5190
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:36,660
Question.

5191
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:37,360
You weren't

5192
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:37,880
trying to lie,

5193
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:38,140
no.

5194
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:38,760
But you

5195
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:39,980
know that

5196
01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:40,340
that trip

5197
01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:40,960
to Cyprus

5198
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:41,960
where you

5199
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,420
met with

5200
01:18:42,420 --> 01:18:43,460
Galkin was

5201
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:44,560
actually set

5202
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,140
up by Mr.

5203
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:45,760
Danchenko.

5204
01:18:45,980 --> 01:18:46,560
He helped

5205
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,380
broker that

5206
01:18:47,380 --> 01:18:47,740
meeting,

5207
01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:48,100
right?

5208
01:18:48,460 --> 01:18:48,820
Answer.

5209
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,520
He did.

5210
01:18:50,060 --> 01:18:50,440
Question.

5211
01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:52,100
The FBI,

5212
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,000
with knowledge

5213
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:54,340
of the

5214
01:18:54,340 --> 01:18:54,840
relationship

5215
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:55,300
between

5216
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:55,760
Dolan

5217
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:56,580
and Galkin,

5218
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:57,760
asked Mr.

5219
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:58,280
Danchenko

5220
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:58,800
to help

5221
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:59,340
arrange a

5222
01:18:59,340 --> 01:19:00,280
meeting so

5223
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:00,900
those topics

5224
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:01,340
could be

5225
01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:02,060
explored,

5226
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:02,840
right?

5227
01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:03,900
Answer.

5228
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:05,000
Yes.

5229
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:06,640
Boom.

5230
01:19:07,060 --> 01:19:07,820
Told y'all

5231
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:08,800
weeks ago

5232
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:09,860
that Danchenko

5233
01:19:09,860 --> 01:19:10,600
had flipped

5234
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,460
on Dolan.

5235
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,500
This is

5236
01:19:12,500 --> 01:19:13,540
strong evidence

5237
01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:14,020
that he

5238
01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:14,740
in fact

5239
01:19:14,740 --> 01:19:15,200
did.

5240
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:16,340
Just so the

5241
01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:16,920
audience can

5242
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,420
really,

5243
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:17,960
really get

5244
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:18,160
this,

5245
01:19:18,260 --> 01:19:18,540
can you

5246
01:19:18,540 --> 01:19:19,020
explain

5247
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:19,980
exactly why

5248
01:19:19,980 --> 01:19:20,300
this is

5249
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:20,640
evidence

5250
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,780
that Dolan

5251
01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:22,300
had been

5252
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:22,840
flipped on

5253
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:23,600
by Danchenko?

5254
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:24,920
Because

5255
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,920
Danchenko

5256
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,120
has informed

5257
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:29,680
the FBI

5258
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:30,520
not only about

5259
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,080
his trips

5260
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:31,380
and about

5261
01:19:31,380 --> 01:19:31,800
his meetings

5262
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:32,300
with Dolan,

5263
01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:33,220
he informed

5264
01:19:33,220 --> 01:19:33,680
them that

5265
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:34,140
Dolan

5266
01:19:34,140 --> 01:19:34,740
arranged

5267
01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:35,000
these

5268
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:35,540
meetings.

5269
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:36,780
Right there,

5270
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:37,540
Dolan

5271
01:19:37,540 --> 01:19:38,180
and Galkin

5272
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:39,000
asked Danchenko

5273
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:39,440
to help

5274
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:39,940
arrange a

5275
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:40,540
meeting so

5276
01:19:40,540 --> 01:19:41,140
those topics

5277
01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:41,540
could be

5278
01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:42,060
explored.

5279
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:43,700
That Dolan

5280
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:44,360
and Danchenko

5281
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:44,820
have known

5282
01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:45,220
each other

5283
01:19:45,220 --> 01:19:45,760
for 11

5284
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,400
years.

5285
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:47,740
That means

5286
01:19:47,740 --> 01:19:48,860
that Danchenko

5287
01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:49,260
has been

5288
01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:49,820
telling the

5289
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:50,340
FBI

5290
01:19:50,340 --> 01:19:51,500
about his

5291
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:52,100
relationship

5292
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:52,820
with Dolan.

5293
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:53,540
He's been

5294
01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:54,200
informing them

5295
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:54,540
of their

5296
01:19:54,540 --> 01:19:55,080
meetings

5297
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:55,640
and their

5298
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:56,360
coordination,

5299
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,600
Dolan's

5300
01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:59,920
relationship

5301
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:00,300
with Ms.

5302
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:00,840
Galkina,

5303
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:01,940
on and

5304
01:20:01,940 --> 01:20:02,200
on and

5305
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:02,440
on.

5306
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:02,980
That's how

5307
01:20:02,980 --> 01:20:04,220
the FBI

5308
01:20:04,220 --> 01:20:04,860
got enough

5309
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:05,460
information

5310
01:20:05,460 --> 01:20:06,620
to make

5311
01:20:06,620 --> 01:20:07,280
an investigative

5312
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:07,980
referral

5313
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:08,880
on Dolan

5314
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,840
in January

5315
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:10,640
of 2018.

5316
01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:13,020
In other

5317
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:13,340
words,

5318
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:14,580
Danchenko

5319
01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:15,440
was a

5320
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:16,000
confidential

5321
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,840
human source

5322
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:17,420
for nine

5323
01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:18,680
months and

5324
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:18,980
then the

5325
01:20:18,980 --> 01:20:19,320
FBI

5326
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:19,980
made a

5327
01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:20,360
referral

5328
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,040
on Dolan.

5329
01:20:21,660 --> 01:20:22,240
Gotcha.

5330
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:22,700
Yep.

5331
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:23,460
I love it.

5332
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,220
Dina Boyette,

5333
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:24,720
$25.

5334
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,060
I appreciate

5335
01:20:26,060 --> 01:20:26,520
all the

5336
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:26,940
incredible

5337
01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:27,600
analysis that

5338
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:27,900
you two

5339
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:28,140
have put

5340
01:20:28,140 --> 01:20:28,460
into this

5341
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:28,780
trial.

5342
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:29,380
Looking

5343
01:20:29,380 --> 01:20:29,800
forward to

5344
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:30,100
your next

5345
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:30,480
project.

5346
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:31,340
Thank you,

5347
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:32,120
Badlands

5348
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:32,660
Media.

5349
01:20:33,700 --> 01:20:34,280
Thank you

5350
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:34,740
very much.

5351
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,000
Next question.

5352
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:40,260
You would

5353
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:40,640
agree with

5354
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:41,040
me that when

5355
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:41,520
you tried to

5356
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:41,940
open this

5357
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:42,200
case,

5358
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:42,460
you know,

5359
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:42,680
and I

5360
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,540
don't know

5361
01:20:43,540 --> 01:20:44,140
what you

5362
01:20:44,140 --> 01:20:44,660
call it

5363
01:20:44,660 --> 01:20:45,340
in the

5364
01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:46,020
EC about

5365
01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:46,300
Mr.

5366
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:46,700
Dolan,

5367
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,320
that a

5368
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:48,660
lot of

5369
01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:49,200
the information

5370
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:49,780
came as a

5371
01:20:49,780 --> 01:20:50,140
result of

5372
01:20:50,140 --> 01:20:50,640
your meeting

5373
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,040
that he

5374
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:51,460
brokered

5375
01:20:51,460 --> 01:20:51,900
with Ms.

5376
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:52,600
Galkina,

5377
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:53,640
right?

5378
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,320
Answer.

5379
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,000
Some of

5380
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:55,460
it did.

5381
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:56,080
Question.

5382
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:56,400
Right.

5383
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,020
But for him

5384
01:20:58,020 --> 01:20:58,480
making that

5385
01:20:58,480 --> 01:20:58,900
introduction,

5386
01:20:59,560 --> 01:20:59,920
you wouldn't

5387
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:00,240
have gotten

5388
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:00,800
that information

5389
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:01,360
right because

5390
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,260
Galkina wouldn't

5391
01:21:02,260 --> 01:21:02,820
have met with

5392
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:03,000
you,

5393
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:03,360
right?

5394
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:03,900
Answer.

5395
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:04,380
For some

5396
01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:04,640
of it.

5397
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:05,160
Question.

5398
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:05,820
I'm talking

5399
01:21:05,820 --> 01:21:06,360
about the

5400
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:07,980
Galkina portion

5401
01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:08,380
of it.

5402
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:08,940
Answer.

5403
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:09,560
Yes,

5404
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:09,880
that would

5405
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:10,400
be accurate.

5406
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:11,020
Question.

5407
01:21:11,980 --> 01:21:12,240
And you

5408
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:12,920
know that

5409
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:13,160
Mr.

5410
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:13,660
Danchenko

5411
01:21:13,660 --> 01:21:14,620
also provided

5412
01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:15,620
other information

5413
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:16,960
that you

5414
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:17,840
used to put

5415
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:18,160
in that

5416
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:18,520
report,

5417
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:19,020
correct?

5418
01:21:19,380 --> 01:21:19,680
Answer.

5419
01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:20,360
Honestly,

5420
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:20,980
I would

5421
01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:21,240
need to

5422
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:21,440
look at

5423
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:21,820
the report

5424
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:22,300
again to

5425
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:23,180
determine exactly

5426
01:21:23,180 --> 01:21:23,720
where everything

5427
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:24,280
came from.

5428
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:25,660
But that

5429
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:25,940
would make

5430
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:26,340
sense.

5431
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:27,680
Question.

5432
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:28,040
Right.

5433
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:29,120
It would

5434
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:29,680
make sense

5435
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:29,980
that the

5436
01:21:29,980 --> 01:21:30,440
information

5437
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:30,960
that's in

5438
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:31,780
Defense Exhibit

5439
01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:33,160
103 would

5440
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:33,740
have been part

5441
01:21:33,740 --> 01:21:33,980
of the

5442
01:21:33,980 --> 01:21:34,440
intelligence

5443
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:34,840
that you

5444
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:35,340
put into

5445
01:21:35,340 --> 01:21:35,940
that report.

5446
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:36,400
Answer.

5447
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:36,900
Yes,

5448
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:37,680
it's possible.

5449
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:38,380
Question.

5450
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:38,760
Okay.

5451
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,120
I just want

5452
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:40,680
to ask one

5453
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:41,500
final question

5454
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:41,880
because I

5455
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:42,140
think you

5456
01:21:42,140 --> 01:21:42,560
talked about

5457
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:42,880
Russian

5458
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:43,640
misinformation,

5459
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:44,400
correct?

5460
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:45,140
Answer.

5461
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:45,620
Correct.

5462
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:46,780
Question.

5463
01:21:47,260 --> 01:21:47,540
Do you

5464
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:47,900
think it

5465
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:48,200
could be

5466
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:48,620
Russian

5467
01:21:48,620 --> 01:21:49,300
misinformation

5468
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:51,100
that

5469
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,420
Corey Lewandowski

5470
01:21:52,420 --> 01:21:53,440
hated Paul

5471
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:54,000
Manafort

5472
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:54,560
back in

5473
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:54,980
July of

5474
01:21:54,980 --> 01:21:55,520
2016?

5475
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:56,760
Answer.

5476
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:57,700
I honestly

5477
01:21:57,700 --> 01:21:58,220
don't remember

5478
01:21:58,220 --> 01:21:58,840
that specific

5479
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:59,440
allegation.

5480
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:00,540
Anything

5481
01:22:00,540 --> 01:22:01,020
could be

5482
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:01,300
Russian

5483
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:01,900
misinformation.

5484
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:02,760
Answer.

5485
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:03,500
Question.

5486
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,000
Sure.

5487
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:05,080
Answer.

5488
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:05,620
It's possible.

5489
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:05,960
Question.

5490
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:06,300
But I'm

5491
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:06,720
asking you.

5492
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,060
If you

5493
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:08,500
heard from

5494
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:08,740
me,

5495
01:22:09,220 --> 01:22:10,380
Corey Lewandowski

5496
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:11,280
hates Paul

5497
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:11,860
Manafort,

5498
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:12,520
would you

5499
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,200
then run

5500
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,080
and open

5501
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:14,760
up an

5502
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:15,580
espionage

5503
01:22:15,580 --> 01:22:16,220
investigation

5504
01:22:16,220 --> 01:22:16,820
based on

5505
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:17,460
that fact?

5506
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:20,200
Answer.

5507
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:21,360
No.

5508
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,000
Okay.

5509
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:25,680
I have no

5510
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:26,000
further

5511
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:26,520
questions.

5512
01:22:27,180 --> 01:22:27,880
That's such

5513
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,820
a backhanded

5514
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:30,080
question and

5515
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:30,680
answer to

5516
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:31,260
the FBI

5517
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:31,620
and it's

5518
01:22:31,620 --> 01:22:32,040
coming from

5519
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:32,780
the defense.

5520
01:22:33,220 --> 01:22:33,780
Just like,

5521
01:22:34,420 --> 01:22:34,640
oh,

5522
01:22:34,660 --> 01:22:35,200
it's great.

5523
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,140
The Russian

5524
01:22:36,140 --> 01:22:36,700
misinformation

5525
01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:38,280
came from

5526
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:38,700
Clinton

5527
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:39,160
crony

5528
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:39,620
Chuck

5529
01:22:39,620 --> 01:22:40,440
Dolan.

5530
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:41,660
Defense

5531
01:22:41,660 --> 01:22:42,240
hammering

5532
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:42,720
the FBI

5533
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:43,400
here via

5534
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:43,660
Miss

5535
01:22:43,660 --> 01:22:44,080
Anderson.

5536
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:45,760
But it's

5537
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:46,420
not really

5538
01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:46,740
an attack

5539
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:47,140
on her.

5540
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:47,620
It's on

5541
01:22:47,620 --> 01:22:47,960
the people

5542
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:48,420
who prepared

5543
01:22:48,420 --> 01:22:48,880
the FISA

5544
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:49,280
warrant

5545
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:49,920
on Carter

5546
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:50,320
Page.

5547
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:51,180
Kyle

5548
01:22:51,180 --> 01:22:51,620
Becker

5549
01:22:51,620 --> 01:22:52,420
put out

5550
01:22:52,420 --> 01:22:53,460
a column

5551
01:22:53,460 --> 01:22:54,240
right after

5552
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:54,880
the Danchenko

5553
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:55,320
acquittal

5554
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:55,820
and titled

5555
01:22:55,820 --> 01:22:56,080
it,

5556
01:22:56,660 --> 01:22:57,220
In huge

5557
01:22:57,220 --> 01:22:57,640
victory

5558
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,060
for the

5559
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:58,760
FBI,

5560
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:00,360
Danchenko

5561
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:00,920
found not

5562
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,280
guilty.

5563
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:03,020
Makes no

5564
01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:03,400
sense.

5565
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:04,120
I know.

5566
01:23:04,220 --> 01:23:04,440
It's because

5567
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:04,760
he didn't

5568
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:05,760
bother to

5569
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,600
follow any

5570
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:06,960
of it.

5571
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:08,200
Guys,

5572
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:08,760
there are

5573
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,100
too many

5574
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:09,500
surface

5575
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:10,140
skaters out

5576
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:10,400
there.

5577
01:23:10,660 --> 01:23:10,860
If I

5578
01:23:10,860 --> 01:23:11,220
didn't have

5579
01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:11,700
Kyle or

5580
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:12,220
just human,

5581
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:12,620
I would

5582
01:23:12,620 --> 01:23:13,980
be every

5583
01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:14,420
bit as

5584
01:23:14,420 --> 01:23:15,500
ignorant as

5585
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:17,020
Kyle

5586
01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:17,380
Becker.

5587
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:18,520
So,

5588
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:19,100
you know.

5589
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:20,260
I mean,

5590
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:20,640
this whole

5591
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,020
case has

5592
01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:21,360
been a

5593
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,100
great example

5594
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:23,100
of why I

5595
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:23,780
have this

5596
01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:24,440
little slogan

5597
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:24,900
thing or

5598
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:25,460
whatever it

5599
01:23:25,460 --> 01:23:25,740
is.

5600
01:23:25,820 --> 01:23:26,300
Understanding

5601
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:26,800
is greater

5602
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:27,500
than reacting

5603
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:28,000
because there's

5604
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:28,300
so many

5605
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:29,240
people who

5606
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:29,660
just look at

5607
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:29,940
the news

5608
01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:30,160
and like,

5609
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:30,820
just react.

5610
01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:31,620
It's just

5611
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:33,340
all they do

5612
01:23:33,340 --> 01:23:33,920
to every

5613
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:34,720
headline and

5614
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:35,660
short little

5615
01:23:35,660 --> 01:23:36,220
news clip is

5616
01:23:36,220 --> 01:23:37,040
react to it

5617
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,060
instead of

5618
01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:39,280
pausing and

5619
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:39,420
thinking,

5620
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:39,640
okay,

5621
01:23:39,700 --> 01:23:40,380
now why is

5622
01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:40,680
this a

5623
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:41,080
headline?

5624
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:41,640
What led

5625
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:41,980
to this

5626
01:23:41,980 --> 01:23:42,280
headline?

5627
01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:43,000
What factors

5628
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,500
are at play

5629
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:43,860
here?

5630
01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:44,640
And sometimes

5631
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,060
the headline

5632
01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:45,640
is accurate,

5633
01:23:45,820 --> 01:23:46,040
sure.

5634
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:46,880
Sometimes the

5635
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,580
headline conveys

5636
01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:48,120
the story,

5637
01:23:48,460 --> 01:23:48,620
sure.

5638
01:23:48,860 --> 01:23:49,580
But so,

5639
01:23:49,780 --> 01:23:50,440
so often

5640
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:51,200
the news

5641
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:51,600
is fake.

5642
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:51,800
I mean,

5643
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:52,460
Donald Trump

5644
01:23:52,460 --> 01:23:53,240
told us

5645
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:54,160
years ago

5646
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:54,520
the news

5647
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,060
was fake

5648
01:23:55,060 --> 01:23:56,240
and still

5649
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:57,600
MAGA

5650
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:58,620
has not

5651
01:23:58,620 --> 01:23:59,620
learned that

5652
01:23:59,620 --> 01:24:00,060
the news

5653
01:24:00,060 --> 01:24:00,700
is fake.

5654
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:02,800
But at

5655
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:03,320
Badlands

5656
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:03,620
Media,

5657
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:04,120
we know

5658
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:04,480
that the

5659
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:04,880
news is

5660
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:05,200
fake.

5661
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:07,440
All right,

5662
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:07,880
so Miss

5663
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:08,400
Shaw is

5664
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:08,980
now up

5665
01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:09,460
for a

5666
01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:09,740
quick

5667
01:24:09,740 --> 01:24:10,280
redirect.

5668
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:11,200
Question.

5669
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:13,600
This is

5670
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,400
prosecutor

5671
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:14,740
now.

5672
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:15,660
Yes.

5673
01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:16,260
So defense

5674
01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:16,880
counsel was

5675
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:17,500
asking about

5676
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:18,060
defendants

5677
01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:19,180
exhibit 103.

5678
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:20,120
Did you

5679
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:20,660
prepare this

5680
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:21,060
document?

5681
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:21,440
Answer,

5682
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,220
I did not.

5683
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:22,940
Question.

5684
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:23,660
Did you

5685
01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:24,240
attend this

5686
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:24,720
interview?

5687
01:24:25,140 --> 01:24:25,360
Answer,

5688
01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:26,260
I did not.

5689
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,220
Question.

5690
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:28,000
With respect

5691
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,360
to this

5692
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:28,740
document,

5693
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:29,420
does it

5694
01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:30,260
say anything

5695
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:30,700
in here

5696
01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:31,260
about Mr.

5697
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:31,760
Dolan

5698
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:32,220
being a

5699
01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:32,540
possible

5700
01:24:32,540 --> 01:24:33,040
source of

5701
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:33,540
information?

5702
01:24:33,780 --> 01:24:34,020
Answer,

5703
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:34,380
it does

5704
01:24:34,380 --> 01:24:34,800
not.

5705
01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:37,700
Question.

5706
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:39,320
And in

5707
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:39,920
terms of,

5708
01:24:39,980 --> 01:24:40,320
he asked

5709
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:40,580
you about

5710
01:24:40,580 --> 01:24:40,820
Mr.

5711
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:41,340
Manafort

5712
01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:42,020
and Lewandowski.

5713
01:24:42,580 --> 01:24:43,500
With respect

5714
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:44,140
to knowing

5715
01:24:44,140 --> 01:24:44,820
whether someone

5716
01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:45,520
passed false

5717
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:46,240
information that

5718
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:46,560
contained

5719
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,020
allegations,

5720
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:47,460
not the

5721
01:24:47,460 --> 01:24:48,000
Lewandowski

5722
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:48,360
part,

5723
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:49,680
but somebody

5724
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:50,540
made up

5725
01:24:50,540 --> 01:24:51,480
that they

5726
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:51,880
were an

5727
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:52,560
insider or

5728
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,260
had inside

5729
01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:54,060
information in

5730
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:54,780
the course of

5731
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:55,180
looking at

5732
01:24:55,180 --> 01:24:55,440
Russian

5733
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:56,080
interference,

5734
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:57,800
as you did

5735
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:58,060
in the

5736
01:24:58,060 --> 01:24:58,760
special counsel's

5737
01:24:58,760 --> 01:24:59,320
investigation,

5738
01:24:59,500 --> 01:24:59,820
would that

5739
01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:00,060
have been

5740
01:25:00,060 --> 01:25:00,820
important to

5741
01:25:00,820 --> 01:25:01,080
you?

5742
01:25:02,020 --> 01:25:02,540
Answer,

5743
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:03,140
yes.

5744
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:04,500
Nothing

5745
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:04,960
further.

5746
01:25:05,540 --> 01:25:05,880
All right,

5747
01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:06,340
thank you.

5748
01:25:07,340 --> 01:25:07,820
So,

5749
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,380
Herzog filed

5750
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:09,840
an EC

5751
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:10,440
on Galkina

5752
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:11,380
in three

5753
01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:12,160
places in

5754
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:12,480
the hope

5755
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:13,200
someone would

5756
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:13,860
take notice

5757
01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:14,400
and begin

5758
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:14,940
proper

5759
01:25:14,940 --> 01:25:15,500
investigative

5760
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:16,820
steps on

5761
01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:17,440
Galkina and

5762
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:17,720
Dolan.

5763
01:25:18,420 --> 01:25:18,860
Anderson

5764
01:25:18,860 --> 01:25:19,580
submitted a

5765
01:25:19,580 --> 01:25:20,060
memo on

5766
01:25:20,060 --> 01:25:20,460
Dolan to

5767
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:21,300
her superiors,

5768
01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:22,200
hoping that

5769
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:22,620
investigative

5770
01:25:22,620 --> 01:25:23,360
steps would

5771
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:23,760
be taken

5772
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,320
on Dolan.

5773
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,480
We know

5774
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:26,020
that eventually

5775
01:25:26,020 --> 01:25:26,640
Dolan would

5776
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,240
be investigated

5777
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:27,560
by the

5778
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:28,520
FBI and

5779
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:28,740
that he

5780
01:25:28,740 --> 01:25:29,160
is now

5781
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:29,720
a subject

5782
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:30,380
of the

5783
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:30,620
Durham

5784
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:31,180
SCO.

5785
01:25:31,820 --> 01:25:32,060
Ms.

5786
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:32,620
Herzog

5787
01:25:32,620 --> 01:25:33,100
and Ms.

5788
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:33,640
Anderson's

5789
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:34,520
work was

5790
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:34,940
not in

5791
01:25:34,940 --> 01:25:35,140
vain.

5792
01:25:37,820 --> 01:25:38,400
Blue

5793
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:38,940
7i,

5794
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:39,480
$25.

5795
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:40,440
On the

5796
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:40,940
Reawaken

5797
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:41,660
America tour,

5798
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:42,480
Eric Trump

5799
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:43,120
closed his

5800
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:43,640
speech by

5801
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:44,040
saying,

5802
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:44,780
we are

5803
01:25:44,780 --> 01:25:45,220
going to

5804
01:25:45,220 --> 01:25:45,940
take back

5805
01:25:45,940 --> 01:25:46,500
America

5806
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:47,300
one way

5807
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:48,180
or another.

5808
01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:49,180
His

5809
01:25:49,180 --> 01:25:49,700
words,

5810
01:25:50,020 --> 01:25:50,960
not mine.

5811
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:52,760
Thank you

5812
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:53,400
very much.

5813
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,960
All right.

5814
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:00,120
The final

5815
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,420
witness is

5816
01:26:01,420 --> 01:26:02,080
Special Agent

5817
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:02,900
Ryan James.

5818
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:04,060
Durham is

5819
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:04,300
up.

5820
01:26:05,020 --> 01:26:05,580
James worked

5821
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:05,820
at an

5822
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:06,180
investment

5823
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:06,600
firm in

5824
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:07,420
Chicago before

5825
01:26:07,420 --> 01:26:07,920
becoming a

5826
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:08,600
police officer

5827
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,140
and then

5828
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:09,600
joining the

5829
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:10,180
FBI in

5830
01:26:10,180 --> 01:26:10,780
2009.

5831
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:11,720
He was

5832
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:12,160
assigned to

5833
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:12,480
the New

5834
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:12,720
Haven,

5835
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:13,180
Connecticut

5836
01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:13,900
office and

5837
01:26:13,900 --> 01:26:14,240
remained

5838
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:14,700
there until

5839
01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:15,360
September of

5840
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:16,600
2018 when

5841
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:16,800
he was

5842
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:17,260
promoted to

5843
01:26:17,260 --> 01:26:17,900
Supervisory

5844
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:18,600
Special Agent

5845
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:19,220
and moved to

5846
01:26:19,220 --> 01:26:19,640
the Jackson,

5847
01:26:19,780 --> 01:26:20,080
Mississippi

5848
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:20,860
Field Office.

5849
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:22,120
He currently

5850
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:22,860
supervises,

5851
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:24,040
a squad of

5852
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:24,600
agents that

5853
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:25,080
investigate

5854
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:25,520
public

5855
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:26,660
corruption and

5856
01:26:26,660 --> 01:26:27,220
civil rights

5857
01:26:27,220 --> 01:26:27,800
violations.

5858
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:29,280
In February

5859
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:30,000
of 2021,

5860
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:31,260
James was

5861
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:31,720
assigned to

5862
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:32,240
the inspection

5863
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:32,880
division of

5864
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,760
the FBI at

5865
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:34,160
the Hoover

5866
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:34,520
Building

5867
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:35,060
headquarters.

5868
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:36,240
He wasn't

5869
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:36,560
there for

5870
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:36,820
long,

5871
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:37,120
though,

5872
01:26:37,420 --> 01:26:37,820
as in

5873
01:26:37,820 --> 01:26:38,280
May of

5874
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:38,820
2021,

5875
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:39,640
he was

5876
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:40,180
pulled in

5877
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:40,500
by the

5878
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:40,720
Durham

5879
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:41,320
SCO to

5880
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:41,800
work on

5881
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:42,380
the Danchenko

5882
01:26:42,380 --> 01:26:42,800
case.

5883
01:26:43,460 --> 01:26:44,140
Turns out,

5884
01:26:44,620 --> 01:26:45,020
James and

5885
01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:45,680
the investigators

5886
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:46,160
he works

5887
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:46,960
with got

5888
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:47,660
the Antrac,

5889
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:48,300
phone,

5890
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:48,980
toll,

5891
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:49,680
and other

5892
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:50,460
records which

5893
01:26:50,460 --> 01:26:51,000
have featured

5894
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:51,760
in this case

5895
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:52,320
and trial.

5896
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,400
This is

5897
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:54,740
Durham

5898
01:26:54,740 --> 01:26:55,760
questioning.

5899
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:57,220
Question.

5900
01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:58,700
Travel records.

5901
01:26:58,860 --> 01:26:59,280
The travel

5902
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:00,080
records relating

5903
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,400
to Sergei

5904
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:02,020
Millian was

5905
01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:02,400
brought to

5906
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:02,800
the jury's

5907
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,140
attention.

5908
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:03,800
Who obtained

5909
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,440
those records?

5910
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:05,000
Answer.

5911
01:27:05,180 --> 01:27:05,660
Our team

5912
01:27:05,660 --> 01:27:05,900
did.

5913
01:27:06,140 --> 01:27:06,360
Question.

5914
01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:06,660
To your

5915
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:06,920
knowledge,

5916
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,460
had anybody

5917
01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:09,200
gotten those

5918
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:09,900
before?

5919
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:10,760
Answer.

5920
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:11,740
No.

5921
01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:12,640
Question.

5922
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:14,500
The jury has

5923
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:15,180
heard testimony

5924
01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:16,040
relating to a

5925
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:16,440
number of

5926
01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:17,120
telephone numbers

5927
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:17,780
involved with a

5928
01:27:17,780 --> 01:27:18,320
fellow by the

5929
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:18,640
name of

5930
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:19,180
Sergei

5931
01:27:19,180 --> 01:27:19,580
Millian.

5932
01:27:19,580 --> 01:27:20,440
Would you

5933
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:20,800
tell the

5934
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:21,020
jury,

5935
01:27:21,220 --> 01:27:21,300
sir,

5936
01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:22,080
whether or

5937
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:22,520
not you

5938
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:22,960
have any

5939
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:23,500
knowledge about

5940
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:24,060
records and

5941
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:24,860
information being

5942
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:25,920
retrieved concerning

5943
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:26,940
Sergei Millian?

5944
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:27,580
Answer.

5945
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:28,780
Our team

5946
01:27:28,780 --> 01:27:29,520
requested legal

5947
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,260
process on

5948
01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:31,120
some of his

5949
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,160
numbers that

5950
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:32,740
we've identified

5951
01:27:32,740 --> 01:27:33,580
that belong to

5952
01:27:33,580 --> 01:27:33,740
him.

5953
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:34,160
Question.

5954
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:35,480
When you say

5955
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:36,420
legal process,

5956
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:37,300
just so the

5957
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:37,880
jurors have an

5958
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:38,480
understanding of

5959
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:38,600
that,

5960
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:39,180
what kind of

5961
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:39,780
legal process

5962
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:40,300
would typically

5963
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:40,880
be involved

5964
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:41,500
in getting

5965
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:42,100
those records?

5966
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:43,080
Answer.

5967
01:27:43,540 --> 01:27:43,880
In this

5968
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:44,620
particular case,

5969
01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:45,360
subpoenas.

5970
01:27:45,780 --> 01:27:46,020
Question.

5971
01:27:46,220 --> 01:27:46,520
All right.

5972
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:47,480
And in

5973
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:47,940
addition to

5974
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:48,340
subpoenas,

5975
01:27:48,340 --> 01:27:49,000
do you know

5976
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:49,700
if Facebook

5977
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:51,320
records and

5978
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:51,840
the like were

5979
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:52,920
retrieved using

5980
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:53,740
the legal

5981
01:27:53,740 --> 01:27:54,440
process?

5982
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:55,360
Answer.

5983
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:56,040
Yes.

5984
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:56,500
Question.

5985
01:27:57,020 --> 01:27:57,480
What kind of

5986
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:58,120
legal process

5987
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:58,720
was used to

5988
01:27:58,720 --> 01:27:59,440
obtain those

5989
01:27:59,440 --> 01:27:59,860
records?

5990
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:00,460
Answer.

5991
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:01,660
Those would

5992
01:28:01,660 --> 01:28:02,680
be via search

5993
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:03,120
warrants.

5994
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:03,780
Question.

5995
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:04,940
And as to

5996
01:28:04,940 --> 01:28:05,600
those records

5997
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:05,980
that were

5998
01:28:05,980 --> 01:28:06,660
obtained either

5999
01:28:06,660 --> 01:28:07,180
by way of

6000
01:28:07,180 --> 01:28:07,800
subpoena or

6001
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:08,340
by way of

6002
01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:08,940
search warrants,

6003
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:09,480
did you have

6004
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,020
any personal

6005
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:10,860
participation and

6006
01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:11,560
understanding of

6007
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:12,160
those records?

6008
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:12,840
Answer.

6009
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:14,040
Yes.

6010
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:15,700
Durham moves

6011
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:17,020
exhibit 607,

6012
01:28:17,020 --> 01:28:18,100
the portion of

6013
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:18,780
the Danchenko

6014
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:19,700
Facebook records

6015
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:20,380
obtained by

6016
01:28:20,380 --> 01:28:20,920
James and his

6017
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:21,540
team into

6018
01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:21,980
evidence.

6019
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,000
He's also

6020
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:23,460
going to pull

6021
01:28:23,460 --> 01:28:23,900
up exhibit

6022
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:24,520
1400,

6023
01:28:24,940 --> 01:28:25,420
which is

6024
01:28:25,420 --> 01:28:25,960
already in

6025
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:26,320
evidence.

6026
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:27,320
James did

6027
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:28,200
solid investigative

6028
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:28,720
work and

6029
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:29,060
Durham is

6030
01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:29,500
about to

6031
01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:29,880
present a

6032
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:30,280
chunk of

6033
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:30,700
it to the

6034
01:28:30,700 --> 01:28:30,940
jury.

6035
01:28:31,340 --> 01:28:31,740
Question.

6036
01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:33,320
And were

6037
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:33,760
there other

6038
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:34,640
Facebook records

6039
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:34,960
that were

6040
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:35,440
obtained as

6041
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:35,560
well?

6042
01:28:35,620 --> 01:28:35,860
I mean,

6043
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:36,600
it wasn't

6044
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,180
just this

6045
01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:37,760
document,

6046
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:38,180
correct?

6047
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:38,980
Correct.

6048
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:39,440
Now,

6049
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:39,940
let me

6050
01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:40,280
restart,

6051
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:40,820
if I might

6052
01:28:40,820 --> 01:28:41,040
then.

6053
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:42,620
With regard

6054
01:28:42,620 --> 01:28:42,980
to the

6055
01:28:42,980 --> 01:28:43,460
records in

6056
01:28:43,460 --> 01:28:43,960
this matter,

6057
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:44,520
you've

6058
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:45,000
told the

6059
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:45,540
jurors that

6060
01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:46,200
among those

6061
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:46,800
records that

6062
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:47,480
you obtained

6063
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:48,620
were travel

6064
01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:49,320
records for

6065
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:50,000
Sergei

6066
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:50,400
Millian,

6067
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:51,040
correct?

6068
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:51,960
Answer.

6069
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:52,700
Yes.

6070
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:53,860
Question.

6071
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,200
And with

6072
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:55,800
respect to

6073
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,260
Millian's

6074
01:28:56,260 --> 01:28:57,040
travel records,

6075
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:57,600
how would

6076
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:58,060
you describe

6077
01:28:58,060 --> 01:28:58,320
them?

6078
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:58,920
Were they

6079
01:28:58,920 --> 01:28:59,800
plentiful or

6080
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,560
there was

6081
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:01,860
one or

6082
01:29:01,860 --> 01:29:02,160
two?

6083
01:29:02,540 --> 01:29:03,020
What's your

6084
01:29:03,020 --> 01:29:03,880
best recollection

6085
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:04,260
as to

6086
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:04,780
Millian's

6087
01:29:04,780 --> 01:29:05,640
travel records?

6088
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:06,020
Answer.

6089
01:29:06,260 --> 01:29:06,940
I would say

6090
01:29:06,940 --> 01:29:07,640
he frequently

6091
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:08,240
comes in and

6092
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:08,560
out of this

6093
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:08,880
country.

6094
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:09,480
Question.

6095
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:10,740
Based on

6096
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:11,380
your review of

6097
01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:11,740
all the

6098
01:29:11,740 --> 01:29:12,420
travel records,

6099
01:29:13,060 --> 01:29:13,540
has he been

6100
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:13,980
in the country

6101
01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:14,340
any time

6102
01:29:14,340 --> 01:29:14,760
recently?

6103
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:15,320
Answer.

6104
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:16,000
No.

6105
01:29:16,420 --> 01:29:16,720
Question.

6106
01:29:17,420 --> 01:29:17,880
Looking at

6107
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:18,300
government's

6108
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:19,160
exhibit 1400,

6109
01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:19,860
is that a

6110
01:29:19,860 --> 01:29:20,240
record that

6111
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:20,980
you retrieved?

6112
01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:21,860
Yes.

6113
01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:22,460
Question.

6114
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:23,520
Just for

6115
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:23,980
the understanding

6116
01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:24,260
of the

6117
01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:24,540
jurors,

6118
01:29:24,940 --> 01:29:25,400
with respect

6119
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:25,700
to the

6120
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:26,100
information

6121
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:26,380
that's

6122
01:29:26,380 --> 01:29:26,960
contained in

6123
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:27,400
1400,

6124
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:27,960
which I

6125
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:28,440
will ask

6126
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:28,860
about in

6127
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:29,400
more detail

6128
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:29,800
shortly,

6129
01:29:30,460 --> 01:29:30,780
is that

6130
01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:31,200
just a

6131
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:31,720
portion of

6132
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:32,020
all the

6133
01:29:32,020 --> 01:29:32,440
records you

6134
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:32,960
obtained

6135
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:33,960
relating to

6136
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:34,160
Mr.

6137
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:34,660
Millian's

6138
01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:34,980
travel?

6139
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:35,460
Answer.

6140
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:36,000
Yes.

6141
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:36,440
Question.

6142
01:29:37,060 --> 01:29:37,320
And as

6143
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:37,800
to telephone

6144
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:38,300
records,

6145
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:39,900
would you

6146
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:40,500
indicate to

6147
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:40,820
the ladies

6148
01:29:40,820 --> 01:29:41,220
and gentlemen

6149
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:41,720
of the jury

6150
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:42,860
what telephone

6151
01:29:42,860 --> 01:29:43,260
records,

6152
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:44,440
specific telephone

6153
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:44,960
records that

6154
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:45,520
you obtained

6155
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:46,340
relating to

6156
01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:46,620
Mr.

6157
01:29:46,700 --> 01:29:47,000
Millian?

6158
01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:47,560
Answer.

6159
01:29:47,860 --> 01:29:48,540
We obtained

6160
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:49,000
all the

6161
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:49,820
records possible

6162
01:29:49,820 --> 01:29:50,400
for the

6163
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:51,020
phone numbers

6164
01:29:51,020 --> 01:29:51,780
that we had

6165
01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:52,680
identified for

6166
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:53,060
Mr.

6167
01:29:53,180 --> 01:29:53,660
Millian.

6168
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:54,180
Question.

6169
01:29:54,340 --> 01:29:54,680
All right.

6170
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:56,400
With regard to

6171
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:56,960
those records,

6172
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:57,560
did you

6173
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:58,020
yourself

6174
01:29:58,020 --> 01:29:59,000
personally do

6175
01:29:59,000 --> 01:29:59,620
something with

6176
01:29:59,620 --> 01:30:00,200
the records?

6177
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:00,800
Answer.

6178
01:30:01,060 --> 01:30:01,540
Yes.

6179
01:30:01,540 --> 01:30:02,220
And what

6180
01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:02,520
was it

6181
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:02,800
that you

6182
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:03,100
did?

6183
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:04,060
Answer.

6184
01:30:04,740 --> 01:30:05,220
So,

6185
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:06,540
based off

6186
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:06,760
of the

6187
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:07,580
returns that

6188
01:30:07,580 --> 01:30:08,020
we got

6189
01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:08,360
from the

6190
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:08,700
subpoena,

6191
01:30:08,820 --> 01:30:08,940
we,

6192
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:09,400
and I

6193
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:10,300
compiled a

6194
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:10,920
summary chart

6195
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:11,300
of that,

6196
01:30:11,860 --> 01:30:12,380
we believe

6197
01:30:12,380 --> 01:30:12,960
is relevant

6198
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:13,740
information from

6199
01:30:13,740 --> 01:30:14,100
the phone

6200
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:15,400
records into

6201
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:15,940
an Excel

6202
01:30:15,940 --> 01:30:16,620
spreadsheet.

6203
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:17,400
Question.

6204
01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:18,180
You recall,

6205
01:30:18,380 --> 01:30:18,500
sir,

6206
01:30:18,940 --> 01:30:19,620
when it

6207
01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:20,220
was that

6208
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:20,460
Mr.

6209
01:30:20,540 --> 01:30:21,000
Danchenko

6210
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:21,460
said that

6211
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:21,740
he had

6212
01:30:21,740 --> 01:30:22,500
received

6213
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:23,600
this purported

6214
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:24,540
call from

6215
01:30:24,540 --> 01:30:25,380
an anonymous

6216
01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:25,840
caller?

6217
01:30:26,060 --> 01:30:26,360
Answer.

6218
01:30:26,620 --> 01:30:27,000
Yes.

6219
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:27,620
Question.

6220
01:30:27,980 --> 01:30:28,340
When was

6221
01:30:28,340 --> 01:30:28,660
that?

6222
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:29,500
Answer.

6223
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:30,640
Late July

6224
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:31,500
of 2016.

6225
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:33,380
Question.

6226
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:35,140
Armed with

6227
01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:36,120
that information

6228
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:36,920
that the

6229
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:37,680
initial email

6230
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:38,400
was sent

6231
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:38,800
on July

6232
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:39,540
21st of

6233
01:30:39,540 --> 01:30:39,980
2016,

6234
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:41,300
and then

6235
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:41,720
he had

6236
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:42,260
told the

6237
01:30:42,260 --> 01:30:42,980
FBI he

6238
01:30:42,980 --> 01:30:43,560
had received

6239
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:44,100
this anonymous

6240
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:44,680
phone call

6241
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:45,120
in late

6242
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:45,380
July,

6243
01:30:45,620 --> 01:30:45,840
what,

6244
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:46,620
if anything,

6245
01:30:46,740 --> 01:30:47,120
did you

6246
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:48,280
do with

6247
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:48,780
respect to

6248
01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:49,000
Mr.

6249
01:30:49,060 --> 01:30:49,480
Millian's

6250
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:49,800
telephone

6251
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:50,440
numbers and

6252
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:51,420
his tolls?

6253
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:52,040
Answer.

6254
01:30:52,940 --> 01:30:53,220
So,

6255
01:30:53,420 --> 01:30:54,020
what we

6256
01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:55,080
did is

6257
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:55,380
we took

6258
01:30:55,380 --> 01:30:55,980
the defendant's

6259
01:30:55,980 --> 01:30:56,640
toll records

6260
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:57,340
and compared

6261
01:30:57,340 --> 01:30:58,020
from July

6262
01:30:58,020 --> 01:30:58,660
20th,

6263
01:30:58,800 --> 01:30:59,500
and on this

6264
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:00,020
chart to

6265
01:31:00,020 --> 01:31:00,600
about August

6266
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:01,380
30th,

6267
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,580
and looked

6268
01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:02,820
at the

6269
01:31:02,820 --> 01:31:03,320
defendant's

6270
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:04,120
phone records

6271
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:04,780
and compared

6272
01:31:04,780 --> 01:31:05,620
if there

6273
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:06,060
were any

6274
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:06,620
numbers that

6275
01:31:06,620 --> 01:31:07,080
were on the

6276
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:07,580
defendant's

6277
01:31:07,580 --> 01:31:08,340
phone records

6278
01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:08,960
that we

6279
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:09,760
had identified

6280
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:10,520
from Mr.

6281
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,000
Millian.

6282
01:31:11,660 --> 01:31:12,100
Question.

6283
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:12,660
All right.

6284
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:13,080
Now,

6285
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:14,040
let me take

6286
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:14,600
one step

6287
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:15,400
back and put

6288
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:15,860
this in

6289
01:31:15,860 --> 01:31:16,580
chronology.

6290
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:17,200
Do you

6291
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:17,580
recall,

6292
01:31:17,780 --> 01:31:17,940
sir,

6293
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:18,920
with respect

6294
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:19,400
to the

6295
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:19,780
Millian

6296
01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:20,300
telephone

6297
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:20,760
records,

6298
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:21,720
how many

6299
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:22,960
separate lines

6300
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,360
had been

6301
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,000
subpoenaed

6302
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,900
for his

6303
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:26,620
toll records?

6304
01:31:26,980 --> 01:31:27,240
Answer.

6305
01:31:27,380 --> 01:31:27,620
Three.

6306
01:31:28,620 --> 01:31:29,200
And which

6307
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:29,700
numbers were

6308
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:30,120
those?

6309
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:30,880
Answer.

6310
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:32,840
So I

6311
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:33,080
don't have

6312
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:33,480
them committed

6313
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:34,060
to memory,

6314
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:34,980
but I'll

6315
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:35,320
do the

6316
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:35,760
prefix.

6317
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:36,720
There's a

6318
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,560
404 number

6319
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:38,200
which the

6320
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:39,280
defendant had

6321
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:39,780
and gave

6322
01:31:39,780 --> 01:31:40,140
to Mr.

6323
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:40,480
Helson.

6324
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:41,500
There's a

6325
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:42,300
212 number

6326
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:42,880
and there's

6327
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:43,420
a 917

6328
01:31:43,420 --> 01:31:43,940
number.

6329
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:44,840
Question.

6330
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,360
Why were

6331
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:47,020
those the

6332
01:31:47,020 --> 01:31:47,620
three numbers

6333
01:31:47,620 --> 01:31:48,020
that were

6334
01:31:48,020 --> 01:31:48,420
initially

6335
01:31:48,420 --> 01:31:48,860
reviewed?

6336
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:49,340
Answer.

6337
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:50,540
Because two

6338
01:31:50,540 --> 01:31:51,240
out of the

6339
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:51,800
three were

6340
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:52,740
known to us

6341
01:31:52,740 --> 01:31:53,400
at the time

6342
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:53,740
and they're

6343
01:31:53,740 --> 01:31:54,040
from the

6344
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:54,620
same carrier,

6345
01:31:54,740 --> 01:31:54,960
which was

6346
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:55,480
Verizon.

6347
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:56,780
So it's

6348
01:31:56,780 --> 01:31:57,260
clear to

6349
01:31:57,260 --> 01:31:57,620
the jurors

6350
01:31:57,620 --> 01:31:58,020
with respect

6351
01:31:58,020 --> 01:31:58,260
to the

6352
01:31:58,260 --> 01:31:59,100
404 number,

6353
01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:00,400
is this a

6354
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:01,000
hard line

6355
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:01,580
or a

6356
01:32:01,580 --> 01:32:02,120
cellular phone?

6357
01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:02,480
It's a

6358
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:02,860
cell phone.

6359
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:03,580
Question.

6360
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:04,420
And the

6361
01:32:04,420 --> 01:32:05,220
area code,

6362
01:32:05,340 --> 01:32:06,020
404 and

6363
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:06,560
so forth,

6364
01:32:06,940 --> 01:32:07,520
what were

6365
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:08,020
you able to

6366
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:08,560
determine as

6367
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:08,860
to the

6368
01:32:08,860 --> 01:32:09,580
area code?

6369
01:32:09,860 --> 01:32:10,080
Answer.

6370
01:32:10,220 --> 01:32:10,660
I believe

6371
01:32:10,660 --> 01:32:11,000
that it's

6372
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:11,560
in Atlanta.

6373
01:32:12,180 --> 01:32:12,540
Question.

6374
01:32:12,700 --> 01:32:13,060
And then

6375
01:32:13,060 --> 01:32:14,160
212 was

6376
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:14,640
another number?

6377
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:15,080
Yes.

6378
01:32:15,340 --> 01:32:15,580
Question.

6379
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:15,980
Okay.

6380
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:17,260
Then with

6381
01:32:17,260 --> 01:32:17,660
respect to

6382
01:32:17,660 --> 01:32:18,180
that phone,

6383
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:18,960
is that a

6384
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:19,280
phone that

6385
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:19,820
was active

6386
01:32:19,820 --> 01:32:20,180
in the

6387
01:32:20,180 --> 01:32:20,500
summer of

6388
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:20,940
2016?

6389
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:21,920
Yes.

6390
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:22,840
And did

6391
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:23,360
you review

6392
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,440
these toll

6393
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:24,860
records?

6394
01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:25,320
Answer.

6395
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:25,880
Yes.

6396
01:32:26,780 --> 01:32:27,200
You said

6397
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:27,460
there was

6398
01:32:27,460 --> 01:32:28,280
a 917

6399
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:29,020
area code,

6400
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:29,300
correct?

6401
01:32:29,580 --> 01:32:29,860
Answer.

6402
01:32:29,980 --> 01:32:30,320
Correct.

6403
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:31,640
Question.

6404
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:33,060
What were

6405
01:32:33,060 --> 01:32:33,580
you able to

6406
01:32:33,580 --> 01:32:34,280
determine as

6407
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:34,760
to that

6408
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:35,620
telephone number?

6409
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:36,420
Answer.

6410
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:37,060
It appeared

6411
01:32:37,060 --> 01:32:37,480
that that

6412
01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:37,920
number was

6413
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:38,540
assigned to

6414
01:32:38,540 --> 01:32:39,340
an iPad.

6415
01:32:40,140 --> 01:32:40,460
Question.

6416
01:32:40,780 --> 01:32:41,120
Okay.

6417
01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:42,920
And did

6418
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:43,420
you look at

6419
01:32:43,420 --> 01:32:44,260
whatever records

6420
01:32:44,260 --> 01:32:44,840
were available

6421
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:45,400
by way of

6422
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:45,980
subpoena or

6423
01:32:45,980 --> 01:32:46,560
search warrant

6424
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:46,960
there?

6425
01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:47,720
Answer.

6426
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:48,400
Yes.

6427
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:49,240
Question.

6428
01:32:50,460 --> 01:32:50,960
And when

6429
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,380
you did

6430
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:51,960
that review,

6431
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:52,440
looked at

6432
01:32:52,440 --> 01:32:53,080
those records,

6433
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:54,100
was that

6434
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:54,560
the end

6435
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:54,900
of your

6436
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:55,380
inquiry?

6437
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:56,100
Answer.

6438
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:56,720
No.

6439
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:57,620
Question.

6440
01:32:58,520 --> 01:32:59,160
As a result

6441
01:32:59,160 --> 01:32:59,480
of your

6442
01:32:59,480 --> 01:32:59,980
individual

6443
01:32:59,980 --> 01:33:00,480
efforts,

6444
01:33:00,580 --> 01:33:00,880
do you

6445
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:01,180
know,

6446
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:01,400
sir,

6447
01:33:01,460 --> 01:33:01,860
or can

6448
01:33:01,860 --> 01:33:02,260
you tell

6449
01:33:02,260 --> 01:33:02,700
the jury

6450
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:03,280
whether or

6451
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,360
not you

6452
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:04,680
looked for

6453
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:05,760
any additional

6454
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:06,580
telephone numbers

6455
01:33:06,580 --> 01:33:06,880
that were

6456
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:07,700
associated in

6457
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:08,560
any way with

6458
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:08,840
Mr.

6459
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:09,840
Millian directly?

6460
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:10,580
Answer.

6461
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:11,540
Yes.

6462
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:12,200
Question.

6463
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:12,920
What did

6464
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:13,260
you do?

6465
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:15,200
Explain to

6466
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:15,700
the jurors

6467
01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:16,520
what you

6468
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:17,540
yourself did

6469
01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:18,620
in trying to

6470
01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:19,220
examine that

6471
01:33:19,220 --> 01:33:19,640
question.

6472
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:20,880
Answer.

6473
01:33:22,180 --> 01:33:23,100
So the jury

6474
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:23,560
has heard a

6475
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:24,020
lot about

6476
01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:25,060
FBI databases.

6477
01:33:25,220 --> 01:33:25,540
So what I

6478
01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:26,600
did is I

6479
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:27,200
searched our

6480
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,660
vast FBI

6481
01:33:28,660 --> 01:33:29,620
databases for

6482
01:33:29,620 --> 01:33:30,120
any other

6483
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:30,800
phone numbers

6484
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:31,560
at any

6485
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:32,300
point in

6486
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:32,760
time that

6487
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:32,940
we,

6488
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:33,500
the FBI,

6489
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,600
had associated

6490
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:36,300
with Mr.

6491
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:36,640
Millian.

6492
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:37,680
And once

6493
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:38,120
those numbers

6494
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:38,600
were identified,

6495
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:39,120
I compared

6496
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:40,020
those again

6497
01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:40,900
to the

6498
01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:41,500
defendant's

6499
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:42,260
toll records.

6500
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:42,940
Question.

6501
01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:43,440
Again.

6502
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:43,840
So it's

6503
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:44,140
clear.

6504
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:45,140
Did you do

6505
01:33:45,140 --> 01:33:45,860
that yourself?

6506
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:46,560
Answer.

6507
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:47,080
Yes.

6508
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:47,780
Question.

6509
01:33:47,780 --> 01:33:48,120
You were

6510
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:48,640
assisted by

6511
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:48,980
others.

6512
01:33:49,660 --> 01:33:49,980
But was

6513
01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:50,500
that your

6514
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:50,960
work?

6515
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:51,580
Answer.

6516
01:33:51,900 --> 01:33:52,300
Yes.

6517
01:33:53,460 --> 01:33:54,120
I did that.

6518
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:55,480
Now Durham's

6519
01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:55,840
going to pull

6520
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:56,300
up exhibit

6521
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:56,920
1400,

6522
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:58,060
which shows

6523
01:33:58,060 --> 01:33:58,520
the travel

6524
01:33:58,520 --> 01:33:59,020
records.

6525
01:33:59,280 --> 01:33:59,560
Question.

6526
01:34:00,060 --> 01:34:00,340
Now,

6527
01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:00,880
looking at

6528
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:01,340
that document,

6529
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:02,140
explain to

6530
01:34:02,140 --> 01:34:02,740
the jurors

6531
01:34:02,740 --> 01:34:03,240
what the

6532
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:03,700
information

6533
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:04,180
shows.

6534
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:05,060
Withdrawn.

6535
01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:06,040
Let me ask

6536
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:06,440
first.

6537
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,080
What's a

6538
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:08,660
text record?

6539
01:34:09,940 --> 01:34:10,340
Answer.

6540
01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:11,080
Answer.

6541
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:11,640
It's a record

6542
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:12,200
that shows an

6543
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:13,160
individual's entry

6544
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:14,180
and exit

6545
01:34:14,180 --> 01:34:15,140
out of the

6546
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:15,440
country.

6547
01:34:15,740 --> 01:34:15,980
Question.

6548
01:34:16,460 --> 01:34:16,820
So in this

6549
01:34:16,820 --> 01:34:17,120
regard,

6550
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:17,640
can you tell

6551
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:17,980
from these

6552
01:34:17,980 --> 01:34:18,520
records whether

6553
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:18,880
or not

6554
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:19,560
Sergei

6555
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:20,880
Millian was

6556
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:21,240
in the

6557
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:22,100
United States

6558
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:23,080
on July

6559
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:23,540
21,

6560
01:34:23,700 --> 01:34:24,200
2016?

6561
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:25,760
Answer.

6562
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:26,960
I can tell.

6563
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:27,400
Yes.

6564
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:27,880
Question.

6565
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:29,100
And was he

6566
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:29,900
or was he

6567
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:30,940
not in the

6568
01:34:30,940 --> 01:34:31,240
country?

6569
01:34:31,780 --> 01:34:32,100
Answer.

6570
01:34:32,900 --> 01:34:34,300
He was

6571
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:35,280
not.

6572
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:36,240
Question.

6573
01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:36,800
All right.

6574
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,240
So according

6575
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:38,640
to these

6576
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:39,780
official records,

6577
01:34:40,420 --> 01:34:40,880
he left the

6578
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:41,180
country.

6579
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:42,360
Then on July

6580
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:43,000
14th,

6581
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:43,540
that basically

6582
01:34:43,540 --> 01:34:44,040
midnight,

6583
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:44,500
right?

6584
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:44,920
Answer.

6585
01:34:45,020 --> 01:34:45,200
Yes.

6586
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:46,120
Question.

6587
01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:46,560
And then with

6588
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:47,100
regard to the

6589
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:47,600
date of July

6590
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:48,060
21,

6591
01:34:48,260 --> 01:34:48,800
2016,

6592
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,280
and then to

6593
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:50,700
later in the

6594
01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:50,920
month,

6595
01:34:51,060 --> 01:34:51,400
do these

6596
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:52,080
records reflect

6597
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:52,900
how long

6598
01:34:52,900 --> 01:34:53,540
he was out

6599
01:34:53,540 --> 01:34:53,780
of the

6600
01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:54,340
country at

6601
01:34:54,340 --> 01:34:54,960
that time?

6602
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:55,480
Answer.

6603
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:56,100
Yes.

6604
01:34:56,580 --> 01:34:56,920
Question.

6605
01:34:57,500 --> 01:34:57,860
All right.

6606
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:59,120
So he arrives

6607
01:34:59,120 --> 01:34:59,660
on July

6608
01:34:59,660 --> 01:35:00,460
27,

6609
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:01,760
2016 at

6610
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,260
2147 hours,

6611
01:35:03,380 --> 01:35:03,600
correct?

6612
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:04,260
Answer.

6613
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:04,960
Yes.

6614
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:06,720
According to

6615
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:07,140
his flight

6616
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:07,620
records,

6617
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:08,700
Millian was

6618
01:35:08,700 --> 01:35:09,400
not in

6619
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:09,820
America.

6620
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:10,680
From July

6621
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:11,180
14,

6622
01:35:11,340 --> 01:35:11,860
2016,

6623
01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:12,900
through July

6624
01:35:12,900 --> 01:35:13,520
27,

6625
01:35:13,660 --> 01:35:14,180
2016.

6626
01:35:15,180 --> 01:35:15,400
Durham

6627
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:15,920
now grabs

6628
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:16,340
Exhibit

6629
01:35:16,340 --> 01:35:17,080
503,

6630
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:17,660
a portion

6631
01:35:17,660 --> 01:35:18,220
of Millian's

6632
01:35:18,220 --> 01:35:19,260
Verizon records.

6633
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:20,460
Answer.

6634
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:21,980
The entry

6635
01:35:21,980 --> 01:35:22,820
here indicates

6636
01:35:22,820 --> 01:35:23,200
that the

6637
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:24,120
404 number

6638
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:25,340
was suspended

6639
01:35:25,340 --> 01:35:26,140
on July

6640
01:35:26,140 --> 01:35:26,680
14,

6641
01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:27,360
2016.

6642
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:28,160
Question.

6643
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:29,220
And what's

6644
01:35:29,220 --> 01:35:29,640
the date

6645
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:30,140
that Mr.

6646
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:30,920
Millian left

6647
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:31,460
the country?

6648
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:32,020
Answer.

6649
01:35:32,140 --> 01:35:32,500
On that

6650
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:33,300
same date.

6651
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:33,940
Question.

6652
01:35:34,740 --> 01:35:35,100
And then

6653
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:35,480
there's a

6654
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:36,120
second entry

6655
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:36,580
highlighted,

6656
01:35:36,740 --> 01:35:36,960
correct?

6657
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:37,640
Answer.

6658
01:35:37,860 --> 01:35:38,180
Yes.

6659
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:38,920
Question.

6660
01:35:39,060 --> 01:35:39,420
Why was

6661
01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:39,860
that important

6662
01:35:39,860 --> 01:35:40,240
to you?

6663
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:41,760
Answer.

6664
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:43,340
That indicates

6665
01:35:43,340 --> 01:35:43,760
that that

6666
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:44,680
404 number

6667
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:45,940
was reconnected

6668
01:35:45,940 --> 01:35:47,180
on August

6669
01:35:47,180 --> 01:35:47,880
8th.

6670
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:48,360
Question.

6671
01:35:49,060 --> 01:35:49,480
So would

6672
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:49,860
it be a

6673
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:50,460
fair statement,

6674
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:50,940
at least

6675
01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:51,460
according to

6676
01:35:51,460 --> 01:35:51,960
the records,

6677
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,220
that Millian's

6678
01:35:53,220 --> 01:35:54,200
404 number,

6679
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,520
which the

6680
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:56,220
defendant had,

6681
01:35:56,420 --> 01:35:57,300
was not in

6682
01:35:57,300 --> 01:35:58,200
operation between

6683
01:35:58,200 --> 01:35:58,880
July 14,

6684
01:35:59,000 --> 01:35:59,800
2016 until

6685
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:00,520
it's reconnected

6686
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:00,940
on August

6687
01:36:00,940 --> 01:36:01,500
8th?

6688
01:36:01,740 --> 01:36:02,160
Answer.

6689
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:02,940
Yes.

6690
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:04,880
Durham now

6691
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:05,300
presents

6692
01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:05,740
Exhibit

6693
01:36:05,740 --> 01:36:06,480
1604,

6694
01:36:06,980 --> 01:36:07,540
which is

6695
01:36:07,540 --> 01:36:07,980
a chart

6696
01:36:07,980 --> 01:36:08,580
James helped

6697
01:36:08,580 --> 01:36:09,740
prepare containing

6698
01:36:09,740 --> 01:36:10,380
Dolan and

6699
01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:10,920
Danchenko's

6700
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:11,560
phone records.

6701
01:36:11,780 --> 01:36:12,380
It covers

6702
01:36:12,380 --> 01:36:13,400
March 2016

6703
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:14,080
through

6704
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:15,400
January 2017.

6705
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:16,280
Question.

6706
01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:17,520
So,

6707
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:18,180
looking then

6708
01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:18,300
at

6709
01:36:18,300 --> 01:36:18,640
Governments

6710
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:19,000
Exhibit

6711
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:19,580
1604,

6712
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:20,020
what,

6713
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:20,500
if any,

6714
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,300
withdrawn,

6715
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:22,340
does this

6716
01:36:22,340 --> 01:36:22,900
contain

6717
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:24,500
only some

6718
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:25,480
or all

6719
01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:26,060
of the

6720
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:26,540
exchanges

6721
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:26,920
between

6722
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:27,160
the

6723
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:27,500
Dolan

6724
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:27,840
number

6725
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:28,300
and the

6726
01:36:28,300 --> 01:36:28,880
Danchenko

6727
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:29,200
number

6728
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:29,560
for the

6729
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:30,040
period of

6730
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:30,260
time

6731
01:36:30,260 --> 01:36:30,760
reflected?

6732
01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:31,540
Answer.

6733
01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:32,860
I believe

6734
01:36:32,860 --> 01:36:33,320
the total

6735
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:34,800
from March

6736
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:35,520
to January

6737
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:36,640
question.

6738
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:37,100
Okay.

6739
01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:38,500
Then you

6740
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:38,920
told the

6741
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:39,340
jurors

6742
01:36:39,340 --> 01:36:39,720
that you

6743
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:40,120
ended

6744
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:40,400
the

6745
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:40,700
chart.

6746
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:42,560
In the

6747
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:42,880
last

6748
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:43,180
entry,

6749
01:36:43,300 --> 01:36:43,460
what's

6750
01:36:43,460 --> 01:36:44,820
the date

6751
01:36:44,820 --> 01:36:45,040
of this

6752
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:45,340
last

6753
01:36:45,340 --> 01:36:45,660
entry?

6754
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:46,560
Answer.

6755
01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:47,240
January

6756
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:47,700
11,

6757
01:36:47,860 --> 01:36:48,460
2017.

6758
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,100
Question.

6759
01:36:49,480 --> 01:36:49,920
And as

6760
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:50,220
to that

6761
01:36:50,220 --> 01:36:50,740
phone call,

6762
01:36:50,940 --> 01:36:51,360
who placed

6763
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:51,780
the call?

6764
01:36:51,860 --> 01:36:52,140
That is,

6765
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:53,080
who was

6766
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:53,500
calling

6767
01:36:53,500 --> 01:36:54,300
whom?

6768
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:55,100
Answer.

6769
01:36:55,980 --> 01:36:56,380
It's an

6770
01:36:56,380 --> 01:36:56,720
outgoing

6771
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:57,420
call from

6772
01:36:57,420 --> 01:36:57,960
Charles

6773
01:36:57,960 --> 01:36:58,520
Dolan

6774
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:59,400
to Mr.

6775
01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:00,040
Danchenko.

6776
01:37:00,260 --> 01:37:00,500
Question.

6777
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:00,780
On the

6778
01:37:00,780 --> 01:37:01,320
11th.

6779
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:02,220
Does it

6780
01:37:02,220 --> 01:37:02,380
tell you

6781
01:37:02,380 --> 01:37:02,680
what time

6782
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:03,040
it was?

6783
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:03,540
Yes.

6784
01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:04,060
What time

6785
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:04,320
was the

6786
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:04,480
call

6787
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:04,860
placed?

6788
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:06,000
It's at

6789
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:06,800
945 in

6790
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:07,160
the morning.

6791
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:09,080
947 in

6792
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:09,400
the morning.

6793
01:37:09,540 --> 01:37:10,040
Excuse me.

6794
01:37:10,980 --> 01:37:11,360
Question.

6795
01:37:12,460 --> 01:37:13,120
And then,

6796
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:14,060
what was the

6797
01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:14,660
duration of

6798
01:37:14,660 --> 01:37:15,200
that call?

6799
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:16,120
Answer.

6800
01:37:16,300 --> 01:37:16,940
Four minutes

6801
01:37:16,940 --> 01:37:18,040
and five

6802
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:18,460
seconds.

6803
01:37:19,140 --> 01:37:19,780
Question.

6804
01:37:20,180 --> 01:37:20,840
What was

6805
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:21,540
significant

6806
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:23,820
about January

6807
01:37:23,820 --> 01:37:24,400
11th of

6808
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:24,920
2017?

6809
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:25,380
Answer.

6810
01:37:25,460 --> 01:37:25,800
I believe

6811
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:26,060
the day

6812
01:37:26,060 --> 01:37:26,540
before on

6813
01:37:26,540 --> 01:37:26,760
January

6814
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:27,360
10th of

6815
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:27,900
2017,

6816
01:37:28,580 --> 01:37:29,260
BuzzFeed

6817
01:37:29,260 --> 01:37:30,460
produced the

6818
01:37:30,460 --> 01:37:31,140
article that

6819
01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:31,960
contained the

6820
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:32,300
Steele

6821
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:33,060
dossiers?

6822
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:34,560
Question.

6823
01:37:34,980 --> 01:37:35,240
And with

6824
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:36,060
respect to

6825
01:37:36,060 --> 01:37:37,040
then the

6826
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:37,900
next morning,

6827
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:38,880
the jury

6828
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:39,540
heard testimony

6829
01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:40,260
that Dolan

6830
01:37:40,260 --> 01:37:41,020
called Mr.

6831
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:41,800
Danchenko to

6832
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:42,520
inquire about

6833
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:42,760
this.

6834
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:43,560
That record

6835
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:44,240
reflects that

6836
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:44,820
such a call

6837
01:37:44,820 --> 01:37:45,820
was placed?

6838
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:46,380
Answer.

6839
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:47,000
Yes.

6840
01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:48,820
Now Durham

6841
01:37:48,820 --> 01:37:49,220
presents

6842
01:37:49,220 --> 01:37:50,440
exhibit 607,

6843
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:51,200
a portion of

6844
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:51,760
Danchenko's

6845
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:52,680
Facebook records.

6846
01:37:53,060 --> 01:37:53,400
Question.

6847
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:54,820
The jury

6848
01:37:54,820 --> 01:37:55,440
has seen

6849
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:56,540
a couple

6850
01:37:56,540 --> 01:37:57,060
of times

6851
01:37:57,060 --> 01:37:57,760
now what

6852
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:58,460
is government's

6853
01:37:58,460 --> 01:37:59,300
1604,

6854
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:00,300
or the

6855
01:38:00,300 --> 01:38:00,800
defense's

6856
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:01,400
corresponding

6857
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:01,880
number.

6858
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:02,920
But this

6859
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:03,180
is the

6860
01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:03,580
Facebook

6861
01:38:03,580 --> 01:38:03,980
entry

6862
01:38:03,980 --> 01:38:04,400
showing

6863
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:05,260
giraffes,

6864
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:05,840
correct?

6865
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:06,500
Answer.

6866
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:06,800
Yes.

6867
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:07,580
And when

6868
01:38:07,580 --> 01:38:07,880
was it

6869
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:08,120
sent?

6870
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:09,320
July 28,

6871
01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:09,840
2016.

6872
01:38:10,620 --> 01:38:10,940
And what

6873
01:38:10,940 --> 01:38:11,260
was the

6874
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:11,640
time?

6875
01:38:12,460 --> 01:38:14,340
4-23-45.

6876
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:15,680
Question.

6877
01:38:17,060 --> 01:38:17,460
And this

6878
01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:17,820
is a

6879
01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:18,440
particular

6880
01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:18,940
Facebook

6881
01:38:18,940 --> 01:38:19,660
entry that

6882
01:38:19,660 --> 01:38:20,400
talks about

6883
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:21,120
spending the

6884
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:21,560
day at

6885
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:22,160
the zoo,

6886
01:38:22,420 --> 01:38:22,840
a message

6887
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:23,840
from L,

6888
01:38:24,380 --> 01:38:25,020
another meeting

6889
01:38:25,020 --> 01:38:25,360
tonight,

6890
01:38:25,460 --> 01:38:26,020
and so forth,

6891
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:26,320
correct?

6892
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:26,960
Answer.

6893
01:38:27,180 --> 01:38:27,520
Yes.

6894
01:38:28,420 --> 01:38:28,800
And Durham

6895
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:29,380
moves another

6896
01:38:29,380 --> 01:38:29,980
portion of

6897
01:38:29,980 --> 01:38:30,720
Facebook records

6898
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:31,420
into evidence.

6899
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:32,860
Exhibit 618.

6900
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:33,800
Question.

6901
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:35,000
With respect

6902
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:35,580
to what is

6903
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:36,200
occurring here

6904
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:36,760
on government's

6905
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:37,640
Exhibit 618,

6906
01:38:38,540 --> 01:38:39,340
that is what's

6907
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:40,000
being reflected.

6908
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:40,820
What are those?

6909
01:38:40,980 --> 01:38:41,280
Are those,

6910
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:42,000
do you know

6911
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:42,940
what those are?

6912
01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:43,560
Answer.

6913
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:44,700
These are,

6914
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:45,200
to the best of

6915
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:45,760
my understanding,

6916
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:46,780
these are entries

6917
01:38:46,780 --> 01:38:47,700
that Mr. Danchenko

6918
01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:48,920
is posting himself

6919
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:49,680
to his Facebook

6920
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,620
page about

6921
01:38:50,620 --> 01:38:51,340
these particular

6922
01:38:51,340 --> 01:38:51,980
locations.

6923
01:38:52,380 --> 01:38:52,660
Question.

6924
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:53,900
And the date

6925
01:38:53,900 --> 01:38:54,840
involved is what?

6926
01:38:55,340 --> 01:38:55,680
Answer.

6927
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:56,740
The first one

6928
01:38:56,740 --> 01:38:57,160
on the screen

6929
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:58,140
is July 27,

6930
01:38:58,140 --> 01:38:58,820
2016.

6931
01:38:59,400 --> 01:38:59,740
Question.

6932
01:39:00,180 --> 01:39:00,760
And then,

6933
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:01,420
does it continue

6934
01:39:01,420 --> 01:39:02,000
into the next

6935
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:02,300
day?

6936
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:02,800
Answer.

6937
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:03,320
Yes.

6938
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:04,060
Question.

6939
01:39:04,860 --> 01:39:05,360
And that would

6940
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,020
be obviously

6941
01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:07,040
July 28,

6942
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:07,840
of 2016.

6943
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:08,420
Correct?

6944
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:09,260
Answer.

6945
01:39:09,580 --> 01:39:09,960
Yes.

6946
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:10,860
Question.

6947
01:39:11,980 --> 01:39:12,900
So what time

6948
01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:14,300
would that be?

6949
01:39:14,660 --> 01:39:15,220
Eastern Standard

6950
01:39:15,220 --> 01:39:16,120
or East Coast

6951
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:16,540
time?

6952
01:39:16,740 --> 01:39:16,940
Answer.

6953
01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:17,500
640.

6954
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:18,680
640 p.m.?

6955
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:19,060
Yes.

6956
01:39:19,860 --> 01:39:20,220
Question.

6957
01:39:20,220 --> 01:39:22,400
Can you read

6958
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:23,260
into the record

6959
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:24,400
where it is

6960
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:25,580
that the posting

6961
01:39:25,580 --> 01:39:26,480
reflects where

6962
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:27,420
Mr. Danchenko

6963
01:39:27,420 --> 01:39:29,300
was at that

6964
01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:29,920
time?

6965
01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:31,780
Answer.

6966
01:39:31,940 --> 01:39:32,700
Igor Danchenko

6967
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:34,000
is at Umpire Rock.

6968
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:34,720
Do you know

6969
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:35,680
where Umpire Rock

6970
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:35,980
is?

6971
01:39:36,380 --> 01:39:37,080
I know.

6972
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:37,780
It's a location

6973
01:39:37,780 --> 01:39:38,840
in New York City.

6974
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:39,380
Question.

6975
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:39,840
Okay.

6976
01:39:40,780 --> 01:39:41,420
And what is the

6977
01:39:41,420 --> 01:39:42,100
message that is

6978
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:43,760
posted at 640 p.m.

6979
01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:45,360
on July 28,

6980
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:46,180
of 2016?

6981
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:47,640
Answer.

6982
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:49,000
It says,

6983
01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:50,560
Exhausted.

6984
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:51,140
Fever.

6985
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:52,040
Worked on.

6986
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:52,860
Light rain.

6987
01:39:53,060 --> 01:39:53,580
Redacted.

6988
01:39:53,860 --> 01:39:54,860
Has secret energy

6989
01:39:54,860 --> 01:39:55,340
reserves.

6990
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:56,440
Three more hours

6991
01:39:56,440 --> 01:39:57,080
to the train.

6992
01:39:57,460 --> 01:39:58,160
I hope I won't

6993
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:58,920
pass out.

6994
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:00,960
Question.

6995
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:02,460
With respect

6996
01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:03,220
to this entry

6997
01:40:03,220 --> 01:40:04,360
at 640 p.m.,

6998
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:05,200
so the first entry,

6999
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:05,840
I'm sorry,

7000
01:40:06,060 --> 01:40:06,720
the 607,

7001
01:40:06,820 --> 01:40:07,780
the picture of the park,

7002
01:40:08,260 --> 01:40:09,520
is 423 p.m.,

7003
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:09,740
correct?

7004
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:10,300
Answer.

7005
01:40:10,440 --> 01:40:10,720
Yes.

7006
01:40:10,980 --> 01:40:11,280
Question.

7007
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:12,620
And it talks

7008
01:40:12,620 --> 01:40:13,360
about what it talks

7009
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:13,980
about, including

7010
01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:14,600
another meeting

7011
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:15,540
tonight, correct?

7012
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:16,240
Answer.

7013
01:40:16,420 --> 01:40:16,780
Correct.

7014
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:17,620
Question.

7015
01:40:17,740 --> 01:40:18,940
And by 640 p.m.,

7016
01:40:18,940 --> 01:40:19,720
Mr. Danchenko

7017
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:20,760
is on Facebook.

7018
01:40:21,480 --> 01:40:21,760
Record.

7019
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:23,040
Reflects.

7020
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:23,520
Exhausted.

7021
01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:24,100
Fever.

7022
01:40:24,460 --> 01:40:24,680
Work.

7023
01:40:24,980 --> 01:40:25,320
Done.

7024
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:25,920
Correct.

7025
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:26,980
Answer.

7026
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:27,780
Correct.

7027
01:40:27,940 --> 01:40:28,220
Question.

7028
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:28,740
Now,

7029
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:30,000
did you see here

7030
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:30,680
any references

7031
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:31,920
to any meeting

7032
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:32,920
where somebody

7033
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:34,240
didn't show up?

7034
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:35,040
Answer.

7035
01:40:35,340 --> 01:40:35,800
No.

7036
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:36,580
Question.

7037
01:40:37,580 --> 01:40:38,080
Is there any

7038
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:39,260
other Facebook entry

7039
01:40:39,260 --> 01:40:40,580
that you had seen

7040
01:40:40,580 --> 01:40:41,480
reviewed or

7041
01:40:41,480 --> 01:40:42,880
what have you

7042
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:43,940
for July 28,

7043
01:40:44,020 --> 01:40:44,880
any time during the day

7044
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:45,720
where Mr. Danchenko

7045
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:46,720
posted that somebody

7046
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:47,460
didn't show up

7047
01:40:47,460 --> 01:40:47,860
at a meeting?

7048
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:48,360
Answer.

7049
01:40:48,540 --> 01:40:48,960
No.

7050
01:40:49,340 --> 01:40:49,620
Question.

7051
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:50,680
Or any time

7052
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:51,240
thereafter

7053
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:52,940
where he had posted

7054
01:40:52,940 --> 01:40:54,020
in July of 2016

7055
01:40:54,020 --> 01:40:54,640
that somebody

7056
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:55,520
didn't show up

7057
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:56,140
at a meeting?

7058
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:56,980
Answer.

7059
01:40:57,340 --> 01:40:57,820
No.

7060
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:59,460
But he does say

7061
01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:00,500
his work was done

7062
01:41:00,500 --> 01:41:01,640
at 640

7063
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:02,820
on that day.

7064
01:41:03,140 --> 01:41:03,460
Answer.

7065
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:04,060
Correct.

7066
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:04,620
Question.

7067
01:41:04,620 --> 01:41:05,040
Okay.

7068
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:06,000
Now,

7069
01:41:06,700 --> 01:41:08,000
you've told the jury

7070
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,240
that you had also

7071
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:10,480
undertaken an effort

7072
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:11,420
to try to assemble

7073
01:41:11,420 --> 01:41:12,420
telephone records

7074
01:41:12,420 --> 01:41:14,580
relating to Mr. Danchenko's

7075
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:15,260
phone and then

7076
01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:16,500
anything associated

7077
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:17,680
with Sergei Millian.

7078
01:41:17,940 --> 01:41:19,140
Is that a fair statement?

7079
01:41:19,660 --> 01:41:20,120
Answer.

7080
01:41:20,780 --> 01:41:21,280
Yes.

7081
01:41:22,700 --> 01:41:23,440
Durham goes to

7082
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:24,600
exhibit 1603,

7083
01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:25,860
phone records,

7084
01:41:26,020 --> 01:41:26,640
and admits them

7085
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:27,340
into evidence.

7086
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,880
John Henry Bonzo,

7087
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:30,540
$17.

7088
01:41:31,020 --> 01:41:31,460
Shalom.

7089
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:33,120
You shall know the truth

7090
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:33,540
and the truth

7091
01:41:33,540 --> 01:41:37,320
shall set you free.

7092
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:38,900
John 832.

7093
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:39,680
Thank you,

7094
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:40,200
Kyle and Patrick.

7095
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:40,820
I trust that

7096
01:41:40,820 --> 01:41:41,940
everyone is well.

7097
01:41:42,220 --> 01:41:42,720
Thank you,

7098
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:43,800
John Henry Bonzo.

7099
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:44,420
Shalom.

7100
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:45,820
Right back at you.

7101
01:41:46,580 --> 01:41:46,960
Thank you,

7102
01:41:47,020 --> 01:41:47,240
John.

7103
01:41:48,340 --> 01:41:48,780
Answer.

7104
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:50,700
So this is July 20th,

7105
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,600
2016 through August 30th,

7106
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:53,160
2016.

7107
01:41:53,860 --> 01:41:54,180
Question.

7108
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:55,720
And to the best of your

7109
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:56,460
knowledge and ability,

7110
01:41:56,460 --> 01:41:57,500
are all of the numbers

7111
01:41:57,500 --> 01:41:58,120
and subscribers

7112
01:41:58,120 --> 01:41:58,760
and the like

7113
01:41:58,760 --> 01:41:59,500
that are contained

7114
01:41:59,500 --> 01:42:00,100
in this chart

7115
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:01,080
taken from a larger

7116
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:01,940
volume of records

7117
01:42:01,940 --> 01:42:02,640
that you reviewed

7118
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:03,580
in order to prepare it?

7119
01:42:03,860 --> 01:42:04,120
Answer.

7120
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:04,760
Yes.

7121
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:05,380
Question.

7122
01:42:06,340 --> 01:42:07,960
And as to these entries,

7123
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:09,540
do these reflect

7124
01:42:09,540 --> 01:42:10,500
any and all

7125
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:11,360
incoming calls

7126
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:12,360
to Mr. Danchenko's

7127
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:12,960
telephone number

7128
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:13,520
for the period

7129
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:14,300
of July 20th,

7130
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:15,340
2016 through the end

7131
01:42:15,340 --> 01:42:16,320
of August of 2016?

7132
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:17,080
Answer.

7133
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:17,460
Yes.

7134
01:42:17,580 --> 01:42:17,860
Question.

7135
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:19,780
And why did you pick

7136
01:42:19,780 --> 01:42:20,700
that time frame?

7137
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:21,580
Answer.

7138
01:42:22,460 --> 01:42:24,720
July 20th was the day

7139
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:26,460
before the initial email

7140
01:42:26,460 --> 01:42:27,400
to Mr. Millian

7141
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:28,980
and we continued it

7142
01:42:28,980 --> 01:42:29,660
through August

7143
01:42:29,660 --> 01:42:30,420
because August

7144
01:42:30,420 --> 01:42:31,260
was the month

7145
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:33,560
of the August 18th email,

7146
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:34,860
the second email

7147
01:42:34,860 --> 01:42:36,060
to Mr. Millian.

7148
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:37,800
All right.

7149
01:42:37,820 --> 01:42:38,360
Now there's a bit

7150
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:39,360
of a hiccup here

7151
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:40,060
in the trial

7152
01:42:40,060 --> 01:42:41,300
as the exhibit

7153
01:42:41,300 --> 01:42:42,340
that they want to put up

7154
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:43,360
contains the names

7155
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:44,100
of phone numbers

7156
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:45,160
and other individuals

7157
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:45,820
not relevant

7158
01:42:45,820 --> 01:42:46,500
to this case.

7159
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:47,840
Both councils

7160
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:48,720
have this exhibit

7161
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:49,880
and both failed

7162
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:51,220
to properly redact them.

7163
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:52,580
So both are now

7164
01:42:52,580 --> 01:42:53,440
going to do so.

7165
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:54,800
While the redactions

7166
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:55,240
are made,

7167
01:42:55,380 --> 01:42:56,600
Durham stalls for time

7168
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:57,600
by asking James

7169
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:58,500
how he acquired

7170
01:42:58,500 --> 01:42:59,000
the info

7171
01:42:59,000 --> 01:42:59,760
in the exhibit.

7172
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:00,520
Question.

7173
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:02,560
While that's being done,

7174
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:03,580
Special Agent James,

7175
01:43:03,940 --> 01:43:04,840
let me ask you

7176
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:06,180
some preliminary questions.

7177
01:43:06,900 --> 01:43:07,980
In putting together

7178
01:43:07,980 --> 01:43:08,700
the information

7179
01:43:08,700 --> 01:43:09,360
that's reflected

7180
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:10,140
on this chart,

7181
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:11,300
Governments,

7182
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:12,360
Exhibit 1603,

7183
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:13,520
what type of information

7184
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:14,140
did you take

7185
01:43:14,140 --> 01:43:14,940
into consideration?

7186
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:15,600
Answer.

7187
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,060
So to compile the chart,

7188
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:19,640
we used open source information

7189
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:20,820
to try to identify

7190
01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:21,660
phone numbers.

7191
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:22,900
We used our returns

7192
01:43:22,900 --> 01:43:23,800
that we got

7193
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:24,580
from different accounts

7194
01:43:24,580 --> 01:43:25,600
to try to identify

7195
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:26,320
phone numbers.

7196
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:26,600
Again,

7197
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,320
mainly the defendant's

7198
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:29,460
emails and social media

7199
01:43:29,460 --> 01:43:30,760
accounts alike.

7200
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:31,440
Question.

7201
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:33,360
So would it be

7202
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,200
a fair statement

7203
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:35,060
that with regard

7204
01:43:35,060 --> 01:43:35,780
to this chart,

7205
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:36,740
a lot of these numbers

7206
01:43:36,740 --> 01:43:37,500
were identified

7207
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:38,800
out of the defendant's

7208
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,060
hotmail contacts?

7209
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:41,000
Answer.

7210
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:41,560
Yes.

7211
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:42,240
Question.

7212
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,180
And those had been retrieved

7213
01:43:44,180 --> 01:43:45,980
by way of legal process?

7214
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:46,580
Answer.

7215
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:47,300
Yes.

7216
01:43:47,480 --> 01:43:47,760
Question.

7217
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:49,320
Do you know

7218
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:50,520
if prior to you

7219
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:51,280
and your colleagues

7220
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:52,440
retrieving that information,

7221
01:43:52,580 --> 01:43:53,860
if anybody had gone

7222
01:43:53,860 --> 01:43:54,720
and retrieved it?

7223
01:43:54,820 --> 01:43:55,580
Do you know?

7224
01:43:55,980 --> 01:43:56,240
Answer.

7225
01:43:56,460 --> 01:43:57,060
I do know.

7226
01:43:57,780 --> 01:43:58,300
No.

7227
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:00,120
They didn't.

7228
01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:03,660
Redactions are now complete

7229
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:05,220
and Exhibit 1603

7230
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:05,800
is admitted

7231
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:06,620
and then published

7232
01:44:06,620 --> 01:44:07,420
for the jury to see.

7233
01:44:08,060 --> 01:44:09,140
James explains to the jury

7234
01:44:09,140 --> 01:44:10,020
how to read the chart,

7235
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:10,980
answers a few questions

7236
01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:11,480
from Durham

7237
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:12,520
and then we get

7238
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:13,280
to the good stuff.

7239
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:13,980
Question.

7240
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:15,760
Then let's do

7241
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,660
the second entry

7242
01:44:16,660 --> 01:44:17,480
without making

7243
01:44:17,480 --> 01:44:18,480
the mistake I did

7244
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:20,200
where we've X'd out

7245
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:21,020
some of the numbers.

7246
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:22,600
Tell us about

7247
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:23,740
the second number,

7248
01:44:23,900 --> 01:44:26,000
July 22nd, 2016.

7249
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:27,640
Answer.

7250
01:44:28,420 --> 01:44:30,140
So that particular entry

7251
01:44:30,140 --> 01:44:30,860
again is from

7252
01:44:30,860 --> 01:44:31,680
the defendant's

7253
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:32,480
billing records

7254
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:33,280
and that particular

7255
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:33,900
phone number,

7256
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,480
the 202-445-redacted,

7257
01:44:37,940 --> 01:44:40,660
belonged to Charles Dolan.

7258
01:44:40,980 --> 01:44:42,860
It was incoming.

7259
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:44,580
Six minutes.

7260
01:44:45,460 --> 01:44:46,460
And the source for us

7261
01:44:46,460 --> 01:44:47,720
to identify that caller

7262
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:49,260
was from Mr. Danchenko's

7263
01:44:49,260 --> 01:44:50,980
hotmail contacts list.

7264
01:44:51,380 --> 01:44:51,760
Question.

7265
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:53,540
Which you had obtained

7266
01:44:53,540 --> 01:44:54,680
through legal process?

7267
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:55,160
Answer.

7268
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:55,780
Yes.

7269
01:44:55,940 --> 01:44:56,260
Question.

7270
01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:56,980
All right.

7271
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,000
And then the next two entries,

7272
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:01,000
similarly, right?

7273
01:45:01,500 --> 01:45:02,540
You've got the user

7274
01:45:02,540 --> 01:45:03,200
for that number

7275
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:04,640
and then how you got it.

7276
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:05,620
Those are all

7277
01:45:05,620 --> 01:45:07,200
from the contact list.

7278
01:45:07,460 --> 01:45:07,780
Correct.

7279
01:45:08,220 --> 01:45:08,640
Answer.

7280
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:09,200
Yes.

7281
01:45:09,460 --> 01:45:09,800
Question.

7282
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:11,760
Including the July 22nd,

7283
01:45:11,780 --> 01:45:13,500
2016 call at 732

7284
01:45:13,500 --> 01:45:14,900
from Olga Galkina,

7285
01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:16,940
which was an incoming call

7286
01:45:16,940 --> 01:45:18,040
to Mr. Danchenko.

7287
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:18,580
Correct.

7288
01:45:19,260 --> 01:45:19,800
Answer.

7289
01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:20,960
Yes.

7290
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:23,120
Durham ask

7291
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:24,400
and James explains

7292
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:25,720
the call listed

7293
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:26,840
as either from a contact

7294
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:27,500
of Danchenko

7295
01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:28,420
such as Galkina,

7296
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:29,140
Dolan,

7297
01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:29,880
Steele,

7298
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:31,600
or a telemarketing call

7299
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,620
or an unavailable number.

7300
01:45:33,620 --> 01:45:34,960
The latter category

7301
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:35,800
of call denotes

7302
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:36,540
calls from numbers

7303
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:37,080
which either

7304
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,720
cannot be connected

7305
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:39,340
to a carrier

7306
01:45:39,340 --> 01:45:40,660
or whose information

7307
01:45:40,660 --> 01:45:41,460
has been deleted

7308
01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:42,740
from the carrier's records.

7309
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:44,120
None of these calls

7310
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:45,180
lasted more than one minute,

7311
01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:46,460
so they are not matches

7312
01:45:46,460 --> 01:45:47,400
for the so-called

7313
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:48,180
anonymous

7314
01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:49,940
10 to 15 minute call

7315
01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:51,040
from someone Danchenko

7316
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,380
believed to be

7317
01:45:52,380 --> 01:45:53,460
Sergei Milyon.

7318
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:55,040
I'd guess this

7319
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,240
41 minute call

7320
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:57,420
is from Steele,

7321
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:58,500
but neither Durham

7322
01:45:58,500 --> 01:45:59,020
nor James

7323
01:45:59,020 --> 01:46:00,500
specifically said that.

7324
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:01,380
Question.

7325
01:46:01,620 --> 01:46:03,080
What's the very next entry?

7326
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:03,720
Answer.

7327
01:46:04,420 --> 01:46:05,560
An international number

7328
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:06,600
from a United Kingdom

7329
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:07,380
area code,

7330
01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:08,220
country code.

7331
01:46:08,780 --> 01:46:09,160
44.

7332
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:10,120
Question.

7333
01:46:10,460 --> 01:46:11,540
So on August 12th,

7334
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,400
2016 at 1056 a.m.,

7335
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:14,520
there's an incoming call

7336
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:15,700
that lasts four minutes,

7337
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:16,020
correct?

7338
01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:16,580
Answer.

7339
01:46:16,860 --> 01:46:17,140
Yes.

7340
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:17,640
Question.

7341
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:18,760
And then immediately,

7342
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:20,320
there's the same date

7343
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:20,800
at 11.

7344
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:22,980
So four minutes later,

7345
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,120
there's a 41 minute call,

7346
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:26,340
international call,

7347
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:27,620
coming in from

7348
01:46:27,620 --> 01:46:28,600
the United Kingdom.

7349
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:29,120
Answer.

7350
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:29,740
Correct.

7351
01:46:29,980 --> 01:46:30,260
Question.

7352
01:46:30,420 --> 01:46:31,020
Beyond that,

7353
01:46:31,820 --> 01:46:32,480
every one of these

7354
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:33,260
incoming calls

7355
01:46:33,260 --> 01:46:34,500
are accounted for

7356
01:46:34,500 --> 01:46:35,760
based on your explanation

7357
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:36,360
to the jury

7358
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:37,000
how you were able

7359
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:37,880
to identify it,

7360
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:38,120
correct?

7361
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:38,820
Answer.

7362
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:39,360
Yes.

7363
01:46:39,700 --> 01:46:40,020
Question.

7364
01:46:40,500 --> 01:46:41,500
But I think you also

7365
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:42,200
told them

7366
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:43,600
that you had looked

7367
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:44,480
for any other number

7368
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:45,300
that may have been

7369
01:46:45,300 --> 01:46:46,500
in FBI databases

7370
01:46:46,500 --> 01:46:47,560
that would tie in

7371
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:48,220
some fashion

7372
01:46:48,220 --> 01:46:49,000
to Mr. Millian,

7373
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:49,380
correct?

7374
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:50,020
Answer.

7375
01:46:50,180 --> 01:46:50,540
Yes.

7376
01:46:51,380 --> 01:46:51,740
Question.

7377
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:53,080
And did you compare

7378
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:54,680
all of those numbers

7379
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:55,700
to any calls

7380
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:57,420
going into Mr. Danchenko's

7381
01:46:57,420 --> 01:46:58,160
telephone number?

7382
01:46:58,600 --> 01:46:58,960
Answer.

7383
01:46:59,280 --> 01:46:59,700
Yes.

7384
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:00,580
Question.

7385
01:47:00,580 --> 01:47:02,340
And the jury

7386
01:47:02,340 --> 01:47:03,640
saw a particular record

7387
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:05,240
that will be in evidence

7388
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:06,140
reflecting the fact

7389
01:47:06,140 --> 01:47:06,700
that Millian

7390
01:47:06,700 --> 01:47:07,400
was providing

7391
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:08,980
his new Moscow number.

7392
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:09,940
Do you remember that?

7393
01:47:09,940 --> 01:47:11,760
It was a plus 45

7394
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:13,180
telephone number.

7395
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:13,760
Answer.

7396
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:14,340
Yes.

7397
01:47:15,380 --> 01:47:15,820
Question.

7398
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:16,880
Did you also check

7399
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:17,320
that number

7400
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:18,260
against any incoming

7401
01:47:18,260 --> 01:47:19,580
calls to Mr. Danchenko's

7402
01:47:19,580 --> 01:47:20,200
telephone line?

7403
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:20,840
Answer.

7404
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:21,380
Yes.

7405
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:21,880
Question.

7406
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:23,160
And what can you tell

7407
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:24,380
the jurors about that?

7408
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:25,580
Answer.

7409
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,060
We didn't identify

7410
01:47:28,060 --> 01:47:29,280
any known numbers

7411
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:30,340
for Sergei Millian

7412
01:47:30,340 --> 01:47:31,580
making an incoming call

7413
01:47:31,580 --> 01:47:32,660
to Mr. Danchenko.

7414
01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:33,560
Question.

7415
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:35,240
You identified

7416
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,380
every incoming call

7417
01:47:36,380 --> 01:47:38,300
who the caller subscriber

7418
01:47:38,300 --> 01:47:39,420
was with the exception

7419
01:47:39,420 --> 01:47:40,720
of the unavailability,

7420
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:41,060
right?

7421
01:47:41,260 --> 01:47:41,560
Answer.

7422
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:42,020
Yes.

7423
01:47:42,440 --> 01:47:42,760
Question.

7424
01:47:43,300 --> 01:47:44,540
Those unavailabilities

7425
01:47:44,540 --> 01:47:47,100
were like minute-long calls.

7426
01:47:47,260 --> 01:47:48,580
I think one was two minutes,

7427
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:48,940
correct?

7428
01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:49,720
Answer.

7429
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:50,320
Yes.

7430
01:47:50,620 --> 01:47:50,940
Question.

7431
01:47:52,220 --> 01:47:53,940
Was there any incoming call

7432
01:47:53,940 --> 01:47:55,360
to Mr. Danchenko's telephone

7433
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,240
between July 20th, 2016

7434
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:58,960
and the end of August of 2016

7435
01:47:58,960 --> 01:47:59,560
from a number

7436
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:00,760
in any way associated

7437
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,160
with Sergei Millian?

7438
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:03,380
Answer.

7439
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:04,600
No.

7440
01:48:05,460 --> 01:48:05,860
Question.

7441
01:48:06,380 --> 01:48:08,800
So with respect

7442
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:09,920
to your participation

7443
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:11,080
in this investigation,

7444
01:48:11,500 --> 01:48:12,820
you have seen the emails

7445
01:48:12,820 --> 01:48:13,920
that Mr. Danchenko

7446
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:14,480
had sent

7447
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:15,800
Mr. Millian's

7448
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:16,920
Millian group,

7449
01:48:17,220 --> 01:48:17,440
correct?

7450
01:48:18,020 --> 01:48:18,400
Answer.

7451
01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:19,140
Yes.

7452
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:19,860
Question.

7453
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:20,800
Any reference

7454
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:21,940
to using apps?

7455
01:48:22,460 --> 01:48:22,760
Answer.

7456
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:23,480
No.

7457
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:24,400
Question.

7458
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:25,960
Did you see any reference

7459
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:27,240
at all to Mr. Danchenko

7460
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:28,320
requesting that Millian

7461
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:29,960
reach him on an app?

7462
01:48:30,420 --> 01:48:30,840
Answer.

7463
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:31,740
No.

7464
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:32,380
Question.

7465
01:48:32,940 --> 01:48:33,900
So you would have to know

7466
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:35,080
that even if you were

7467
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:36,000
going to do that,

7468
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:36,840
you would have to know

7469
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,000
the respective app.

7470
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:38,800
Right.

7471
01:48:39,300 --> 01:48:39,740
Answer.

7472
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:40,680
Right.

7473
01:48:41,060 --> 01:48:41,440
Question.

7474
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:42,700
And in this connection,

7475
01:48:43,340 --> 01:48:43,840
you don't know

7476
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:44,520
of any instance,

7477
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:45,200
any evidence

7478
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:46,040
where Mr. Danchenko

7479
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:47,020
requested that Millian

7480
01:48:47,020 --> 01:48:48,480
reach him on an app.

7481
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:49,320
Answer.

7482
01:48:49,540 --> 01:48:49,900
Correct.

7483
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:50,260
Question.

7484
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:51,360
Do you know

7485
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:52,200
whether or not,

7486
01:48:52,340 --> 01:48:52,600
however,

7487
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:54,140
the FBI folks

7488
01:48:54,140 --> 01:48:55,220
with Crossfire Hurricane

7489
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:56,600
had asked Mr. Danchenko

7490
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:57,640
to produce any records

7491
01:48:57,640 --> 01:48:58,880
relating to a call

7492
01:48:58,880 --> 01:48:59,740
on his phone?

7493
01:49:00,060 --> 01:49:00,300
Answer.

7494
01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:01,340
Yes.

7495
01:49:01,660 --> 01:49:01,920
Question.

7496
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,040
And was anything produced?

7497
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:04,780
Answer.

7498
01:49:05,020 --> 01:49:05,440
No.

7499
01:49:05,860 --> 01:49:06,160
Question.

7500
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,320
Were any app records

7501
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:11,240
produced of any kind

7502
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:12,180
by Mr. Danchenko

7503
01:49:12,180 --> 01:49:13,180
in response to requests

7504
01:49:13,180 --> 01:49:14,140
for relevant records?

7505
01:49:14,780 --> 01:49:15,120
Answer.

7506
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:16,920
Not regarding

7507
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,220
Sergey Millian.

7508
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:20,860
No further questions.

7509
01:49:21,860 --> 01:49:23,020
And it just hit me

7510
01:49:23,020 --> 01:49:23,860
that that's an interesting

7511
01:49:23,860 --> 01:49:24,680
answer from him

7512
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:26,160
that he was asked that

7513
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:26,720
and he said

7514
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:27,280
not regarding

7515
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:28,160
Sergey Millian.

7516
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:29,200
Oops.

7517
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:29,660
That means

7518
01:49:29,660 --> 01:49:32,060
that he did produce

7519
01:49:32,060 --> 01:49:33,740
app records

7520
01:49:33,740 --> 01:49:36,340
for somebody else.

7521
01:49:36,900 --> 01:49:37,840
Maybe Charles Dolan.

7522
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:38,720
Yeah.

7523
01:49:38,820 --> 01:49:39,700
Because he specifically

7524
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:40,120
is saying

7525
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:40,720
not regarding

7526
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:41,460
Sergey Millian.

7527
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:41,700
He,

7528
01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:42,180
you know,

7529
01:49:42,260 --> 01:49:42,580
that's,

7530
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:42,960
I just,

7531
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:43,480
that now,

7532
01:49:43,580 --> 01:49:44,340
that just now hit me.

7533
01:49:44,820 --> 01:49:45,080
All right.

7534
01:49:45,220 --> 01:49:46,640
So court takes a lunch break

7535
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:47,300
at this point

7536
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:48,760
and when they come back

7537
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:49,740
the defense decides

7538
01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:50,780
not to cross-examine

7539
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:51,380
this witness.

7540
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:52,900
And Durham

7541
01:49:52,900 --> 01:49:54,140
rests his case.

7542
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:57,120
Defense would decide

7543
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,280
to not even present

7544
01:49:58,280 --> 01:49:59,360
the case-in-chief.

7545
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:00,760
They rested as well.

7546
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:02,300
Probably because,

7547
01:50:02,460 --> 01:50:03,400
as we have come to learn

7548
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:04,480
by studying the details

7549
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:05,680
of this case and trial,

7550
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:07,420
Danchenko wasn't really

7551
01:50:07,420 --> 01:50:08,160
on trial here.

7552
01:50:08,860 --> 01:50:09,760
The FBI were.

7553
01:50:10,260 --> 01:50:11,440
The Steele dossier was.

7554
01:50:11,860 --> 01:50:12,580
And Clinton crony

7555
01:50:12,580 --> 01:50:13,320
Chuck Dolan

7556
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:14,380
may soon be.

7557
01:50:15,420 --> 01:50:16,660
Later on Friday afternoon,

7558
01:50:16,820 --> 01:50:17,240
Judge Tringo

7559
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:18,120
would dismiss count

7560
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:18,980
one of the indictment

7561
01:50:18,980 --> 01:50:20,060
against Igor Danchenko.

7562
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:21,320
Here are the judge's

7563
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:22,260
reasons for doing so.

7564
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:23,040
And if you want,

7565
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:23,340
Patrick,

7566
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:24,100
we can skip

7567
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:26,040
this section right here.

7568
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:27,400
I skip.

7569
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:30,560
So I know we've gone,

7570
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:31,240
we've gone an hour

7571
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:31,940
and a half now,

7572
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,200
so we can get to the,

7573
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:34,440
the final,

7574
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:35,540
final portion.

7575
01:50:36,060 --> 01:50:36,580
Parting thoughts?

7576
01:50:37,220 --> 01:50:37,500
Yeah.

7577
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:38,380
So,

7578
01:50:38,620 --> 01:50:39,120
I'll just,

7579
01:50:39,260 --> 01:50:39,820
I'll just read

7580
01:50:39,820 --> 01:50:40,740
my parting thoughts.

7581
01:50:40,740 --> 01:50:44,320
The person most capable

7582
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:45,880
of making sure

7583
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:47,340
Danchenko went to jail

7584
01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:49,020
was Sergei Milyon.

7585
01:50:49,900 --> 01:50:50,920
Had Milyon traveled

7586
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:51,540
to the U.S.

7587
01:50:51,540 --> 01:50:52,160
to testify,

7588
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:53,720
to state that he never

7589
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:55,000
contacted Danchenko,

7590
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:56,480
that he never called him

7591
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:57,480
from any phone line

7592
01:50:57,480 --> 01:50:57,940
or app,

7593
01:50:58,100 --> 01:50:59,200
that he never arranged

7594
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:00,280
to meet him in New York,

7595
01:51:00,780 --> 01:51:00,960
well,

7596
01:51:01,020 --> 01:51:01,720
that would have gone

7597
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:02,780
further with the jury

7598
01:51:02,780 --> 01:51:03,880
than the sum

7599
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:04,840
of the evidence

7600
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:05,440
in this case

7601
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:06,520
ever had a chance

7602
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:06,940
of going.

7603
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:08,700
Absent testimony

7604
01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:09,440
from Milyon,

7605
01:51:09,820 --> 01:51:10,860
convicting Danchenko

7606
01:51:10,860 --> 01:51:11,680
on these charges

7607
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,120
was a near impossibility

7608
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:13,760
in my opinion,

7609
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:15,180
because there was always

7610
01:51:15,180 --> 01:51:16,600
going to be reasonable doubt,

7611
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:18,600
and the jury must have wondered

7612
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:20,220
why Milyon wasn't there

7613
01:51:20,220 --> 01:51:21,240
to state that he never

7614
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:22,400
contacted Danchenko.

7615
01:51:23,420 --> 01:51:24,080
Milyon's fears

7616
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:24,820
for his safety

7617
01:51:24,820 --> 01:51:25,600
and his concern

7618
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:26,960
that the FBI

7619
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:27,840
would arrest him

7620
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,120
if he returned to the U.S.

7621
01:51:29,420 --> 01:51:30,780
may be well-founded, though.

7622
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:32,460
If the FBI

7623
01:51:32,460 --> 01:51:33,600
had done a better job

7624
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:34,640
with the Crossfire Hurricane

7625
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:35,680
and Mueller investigation,

7626
01:51:36,340 --> 01:51:36,800
a conviction

7627
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:37,820
would have been more likely.

7628
01:51:38,620 --> 01:51:39,060
Specifically,

7629
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:40,440
if Helson had been

7630
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:41,320
better informed

7631
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:42,520
by Otten and others,

7632
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:43,500
he might have asked

7633
01:51:43,500 --> 01:51:43,860
better,

7634
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:45,200
more narrow questions.

7635
01:51:46,460 --> 01:51:47,540
And I'll need Patrick

7636
01:51:47,540 --> 01:51:48,440
to scroll down a bit.

7637
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:49,460
Sorry, bro.

7638
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:50,500
It's okay.

7639
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:53,580
If Helson had been

7640
01:51:53,580 --> 01:51:54,120
better informed

7641
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:54,620
by Otten,

7642
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:55,600
he might have asked

7643
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:56,460
better and more narrow

7644
01:51:56,460 --> 01:51:57,660
questions of Danchenko,

7645
01:51:57,880 --> 01:51:58,560
which would have led

7646
01:51:58,560 --> 01:51:59,900
to an easier conviction.

7647
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:00,960
Then again,

7648
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:02,120
Helson made many errors

7649
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:03,160
in his own regards

7650
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:04,480
as handling of Danchenko,

7651
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:05,720
so maybe he wouldn't have.

7652
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,660
So Igor Danchenko

7653
01:52:07,660 --> 01:52:08,440
has been found

7654
01:52:08,440 --> 01:52:09,060
not guilty.

7655
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:11,080
But was a guilty verdict

7656
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:12,540
really Durham's objective

7657
01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:13,560
with this case?

7658
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:14,960
Was Danchenko

7659
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,220
ever really on trial?

7660
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:17,440
Let's zoom out

7661
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:17,860
and consider

7662
01:52:17,860 --> 01:52:18,960
the Durham Special Counsel's

7663
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:19,720
work and where

7664
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:20,420
it may be headed.

7665
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:22,120
If Klein-Smith

7666
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:23,200
had gotten the full measure

7667
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:24,220
of the potential sentence

7668
01:52:24,220 --> 01:52:25,340
under 18 U.S.C.

7669
01:52:25,420 --> 01:52:26,220
1001

7670
01:52:26,220 --> 01:52:27,260
of false statements,

7671
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:28,440
which would be

7672
01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:29,420
five years imprisonment

7673
01:52:29,420 --> 01:52:30,040
plus a fine,

7674
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:31,320
how much would that

7675
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:32,100
have mattered to you?

7676
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:33,760
If Sussman

7677
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:34,740
had gotten the same,

7678
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:35,880
five years in prison

7679
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:36,560
plus a fine,

7680
01:52:36,980 --> 01:52:38,000
how much of a win

7681
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,080
would that have been?

7682
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:40,680
If Danchenko

7683
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:41,520
gets even half

7684
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:42,420
the available maximum

7685
01:52:42,420 --> 01:52:44,160
sentence if he got that,

7686
01:52:44,340 --> 01:52:45,500
12 years in prison

7687
01:52:45,500 --> 01:52:46,160
plus fine,

7688
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:47,220
would you regard that

7689
01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:48,020
as a knockout blow

7690
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:48,780
to the deep state?

7691
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:50,180
The convictions

7692
01:52:50,180 --> 01:52:51,100
of the minor players

7693
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:51,880
would be nice

7694
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:52,660
and I'd celebrate

7695
01:52:52,660 --> 01:52:53,340
them bigly,

7696
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:54,400
but it wouldn't

7697
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:55,100
carry forward

7698
01:52:55,100 --> 01:52:56,400
the overall dismantling

7699
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:57,100
of the deep state

7700
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:58,500
and swamp nearly as much

7701
01:52:58,500 --> 01:52:59,340
as what we have

7702
01:52:59,340 --> 01:53:00,400
gotten out of these cases.

7703
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:02,260
Clinesmith got a deal

7704
01:53:02,260 --> 01:53:03,260
because he talked

7705
01:53:03,260 --> 01:53:04,480
and because he sent

7706
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:05,360
both an altered

7707
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:06,840
and unaltered email.

7708
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:08,120
He didn't select

7709
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:09,020
which one was used

7710
01:53:09,020 --> 01:53:09,760
and passed on.

7711
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:11,160
The Sussman case

7712
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:12,120
forever destroyed

7713
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:13,340
the Alpha Bank hoax,

7714
01:53:13,740 --> 01:53:14,660
got Mark Elias,

7715
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:15,260
Robbie Mook,

7716
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:16,380
and a number of other people,

7717
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:17,580
including FBI agents,

7718
01:53:18,060 --> 01:53:19,000
before grand jury

7719
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,140
and on the witness stand.

7720
01:53:20,860 --> 01:53:21,840
Mook admitted Hillary

7721
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:22,860
approved the sharing

7722
01:53:22,860 --> 01:53:23,480
of the hoax

7723
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:24,380
with corrupt media.

7724
01:53:25,060 --> 01:53:25,980
We learned of Jaffe,

7725
01:53:26,140 --> 01:53:26,620
who is still

7726
01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:27,400
under investigation,

7727
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:28,760
and his companies,

7728
01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:29,520
the researchers,

7729
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:30,860
the spying on the EOP,

7730
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:32,120
that's Executive Office

7731
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:32,680
of the President,

7732
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:34,540
and we got FBI agents

7733
01:53:34,540 --> 01:53:35,320
on the stand

7734
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:36,080
where we learned

7735
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:36,860
they too were

7736
01:53:36,860 --> 01:53:37,660
under investigation.

7737
01:53:38,660 --> 01:53:39,400
Most importantly,

7738
01:53:39,540 --> 01:53:40,440
the Sussman case

7739
01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:41,380
slash trial

7740
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:42,520
busted down

7741
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:43,360
the attorney-client

7742
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:44,200
privilege wall

7743
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:45,680
that these corrupt people

7744
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:46,780
have used for decades

7745
01:53:46,780 --> 01:53:48,100
to hide their criminality.

7746
01:53:48,980 --> 01:53:50,040
The Danchenko case

7747
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:51,260
is no different.

7748
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:53,760
I'll need you

7749
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:54,240
to scroll down.

7750
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:54,700
There we go.

7751
01:53:54,700 --> 01:53:55,700
Here are some

7752
01:53:55,700 --> 01:53:56,080
of the most

7753
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:57,040
significant notables

7754
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:57,940
we got out

7755
01:53:57,940 --> 01:53:59,560
of the Danchenko case

7756
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:00,220
and trial.

7757
01:54:01,480 --> 01:54:02,300
The Steele dossier

7758
01:54:02,300 --> 01:54:03,200
and its allegations

7759
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:04,480
are dead.

7760
01:54:05,460 --> 01:54:06,480
The claims were made up

7761
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:07,320
and that is a matter

7762
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:08,120
of record now.

7763
01:54:08,740 --> 01:54:09,280
Dolan admitted

7764
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:10,060
to fabricating

7765
01:54:10,060 --> 01:54:11,180
his part

7766
01:54:11,180 --> 01:54:12,020
and Danchenko

7767
01:54:12,020 --> 01:54:13,040
never met

7768
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:13,620
with the manager

7769
01:54:13,620 --> 01:54:14,440
of the Ritz-Carlton.

7770
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:15,420
Danchenko,

7771
01:54:15,540 --> 01:54:15,980
over the course

7772
01:54:15,980 --> 01:54:16,940
of three and a half years

7773
01:54:16,940 --> 01:54:17,780
as a CHS,

7774
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:18,600
could not provide

7775
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:19,820
any corroboration.

7776
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:20,720
Furthermore,

7777
01:54:20,900 --> 01:54:21,600
Christopher Steele,

7778
01:54:21,660 --> 01:54:22,220
who composed

7779
01:54:22,220 --> 01:54:22,920
the dossier,

7780
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:24,140
could not corroborate

7781
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:25,760
any piece of info

7782
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:26,160
in it,

7783
01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:28,080
not even for a million dollars.

7784
01:54:28,780 --> 01:54:30,540
That's full exoneration

7785
01:54:30,540 --> 01:54:31,400
for Trump.

7786
01:54:32,060 --> 01:54:33,560
A year after offering

7787
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:34,260
that million dollars

7788
01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:34,640
to Steele,

7789
01:54:34,700 --> 01:54:35,660
the FBI turned

7790
01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:37,140
Danchenko against Steele

7791
01:54:37,140 --> 01:54:38,560
and sent him back in

7792
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:39,560
to meet with them,

7793
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:40,920
the objective being

7794
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:41,780
to gather intel

7795
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:42,660
on what Steele

7796
01:54:42,660 --> 01:54:43,300
was up to

7797
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:44,940
and any other useful info.

7798
01:54:45,900 --> 01:54:46,640
Chuck Dolan,

7799
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:47,520
Clinton crony

7800
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,100
and longtime Democrat operative,

7801
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:50,280
was referred for

7802
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:50,860
an investigation

7803
01:54:50,860 --> 01:54:51,640
thanks to

7804
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:52,660
information Danchenko

7805
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:53,500
gave the FBI.

7806
01:54:54,260 --> 01:54:55,020
That investigation

7807
01:54:55,020 --> 01:54:55,880
was opened

7808
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,300
and as part of it,

7809
01:54:57,720 --> 01:54:58,440
Dolan's email,

7810
01:54:58,860 --> 01:54:59,160
phone,

7811
01:54:59,380 --> 01:55:00,420
and social media records

7812
01:55:00,420 --> 01:55:00,920
were obtained

7813
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:01,720
via search warrant.

7814
01:55:02,220 --> 01:55:03,180
That investigation

7815
01:55:03,180 --> 01:55:04,260
was later turned over

7816
01:55:04,260 --> 01:55:05,380
and is now with

7817
01:55:05,380 --> 01:55:06,840
the Durham Special Counsel.

7818
01:55:08,060 --> 01:55:09,140
Durham put the FBI

7819
01:55:09,140 --> 01:55:09,840
on trial

7820
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:10,680
via the agents

7821
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:11,660
he put on the stand.

7822
01:55:12,380 --> 01:55:13,520
SIA Brian Auten

7823
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:14,360
was subjected

7824
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:15,240
to two full days

7825
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:15,800
of questioning,

7826
01:55:16,260 --> 01:55:17,040
none of it friendly.

7827
01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:18,300
We learned of the

7828
01:55:18,300 --> 01:55:19,160
Crossfire Hurricane

7829
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:20,440
and Mueller SEO failures.

7830
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:21,740
We also learned

7831
01:55:21,740 --> 01:55:22,260
that Auten

7832
01:55:22,260 --> 01:55:23,200
has been under

7833
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:23,780
investigation

7834
01:55:23,780 --> 01:55:24,600
by the OIG

7835
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:25,560
for some time.

7836
01:55:26,300 --> 01:55:27,140
He has been recommended

7837
01:55:27,140 --> 01:55:27,940
for suspension

7838
01:55:27,940 --> 01:55:28,820
for his role

7839
01:55:28,820 --> 01:55:29,860
in the Carter Page

7840
01:55:29,860 --> 01:55:30,360
FISA.

7841
01:55:31,460 --> 01:55:31,900
Likewise,

7842
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:32,800
with Special Agent

7843
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:33,240
Helson,

7844
01:55:33,700 --> 01:55:34,440
Danchenko's handler,

7845
01:55:34,900 --> 01:55:35,960
he was also forced

7846
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:36,900
to admit to failures

7847
01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:37,660
in regards to

7848
01:55:37,660 --> 01:55:38,580
handling Danchenko,

7849
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:39,820
though there were

7850
01:55:39,820 --> 01:55:40,940
also some successes

7851
01:55:40,940 --> 01:55:42,380
as far as the information

7852
01:55:42,380 --> 01:55:43,460
he sold the FBI

7853
01:55:43,460 --> 01:55:44,560
as a CHS.

7854
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:45,720
Helson

7855
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:47,660
is also a subject

7856
01:55:47,660 --> 01:55:49,340
of an OIG investigation.

7857
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:51,300
Durham,

7858
01:55:51,580 --> 01:55:52,560
via the investigation

7859
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:53,220
and prosecution

7860
01:55:53,220 --> 01:55:53,980
of Danchenko,

7861
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:55,360
obtained a large number

7862
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:55,920
of interviews

7863
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:56,700
and testimony

7864
01:55:56,700 --> 01:55:57,860
with Spygate players

7865
01:55:57,860 --> 01:55:58,960
major and minor.

7866
01:55:59,580 --> 01:56:00,680
He also got phone,

7867
01:56:00,940 --> 01:56:01,240
email,

7868
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:02,040
social media,

7869
01:56:02,140 --> 01:56:03,200
and travel records.

7870
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,000
Being that Danchenko

7871
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:06,200
was in direct contact

7872
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:07,260
with so many

7873
01:56:07,260 --> 01:56:08,540
consequential people

7874
01:56:08,540 --> 01:56:09,820
as relates to Spygate,

7875
01:56:10,340 --> 01:56:11,460
I wonder what else

7876
01:56:11,460 --> 01:56:12,240
Durham learned

7877
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:13,520
from such records.

7878
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:15,860
Danchenko case

7879
01:56:15,860 --> 01:56:16,720
gave us

7880
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:17,640
the real

7881
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:18,700
Russian collusion,

7882
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:20,100
which was between

7883
01:56:20,100 --> 01:56:20,520
Hillary,

7884
01:56:20,980 --> 01:56:21,560
the Dems,

7885
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:22,840
their PR firms,

7886
01:56:23,180 --> 01:56:23,640
Steele,

7887
01:56:23,940 --> 01:56:25,180
and the Ukrainian-born

7888
01:56:25,180 --> 01:56:26,900
suspected Russian asset

7889
01:56:26,900 --> 01:56:27,800
Danchenko,

7890
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:28,980
and his source,

7891
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:30,660
Russian swamp-loving

7892
01:56:30,660 --> 01:56:31,740
Chuck Dolan.

7893
01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:34,040
This is mob trial stuff.

7894
01:56:34,620 --> 01:56:35,220
Durham is working

7895
01:56:35,220 --> 01:56:36,020
his way up,

7896
01:56:36,700 --> 01:56:37,760
getting the right people

7897
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:38,720
before grand juries

7898
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:39,980
on witness stands,

7899
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:41,300
getting the docs,

7900
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:42,640
and getting the filings

7901
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:43,140
and evidence

7902
01:56:43,140 --> 01:56:43,800
he needs

7903
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:44,700
in the court record

7904
01:56:44,700 --> 01:56:46,020
for future prosecutions

7905
01:56:46,020 --> 01:56:46,900
of corrupt players

7906
01:56:46,900 --> 01:56:47,520
higher up.

7907
01:56:48,420 --> 01:56:49,980
Dismantling a criminal syndicate

7908
01:56:49,980 --> 01:56:51,000
cannot be done

7909
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:51,980
with just one trial.

7910
01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:54,000
It takes many investigations,

7911
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:55,400
many cases,

7912
01:56:55,860 --> 01:56:56,680
many trials.

7913
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,100
Danchenko is an important one,

7914
01:56:59,340 --> 01:57:00,720
but it is just one

7915
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:01,440
of many.

7916
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:04,820
And that

7917
01:57:04,820 --> 01:57:06,420
is the

7918
01:57:06,420 --> 01:57:07,860
Danchenko trial,

7919
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:08,440
guys.

7920
01:57:09,620 --> 01:57:10,740
Anybody who sat

7921
01:57:10,740 --> 01:57:11,240
through that

7922
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:11,800
and thought that

7923
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,120
Danchenko was on trial

7924
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:13,980
sat through it

7925
01:57:13,980 --> 01:57:15,240
and they were playing

7926
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:16,420
Candy Crush

7927
01:57:16,420 --> 01:57:16,860
on their phone

7928
01:57:16,860 --> 01:57:17,360
the whole time.

7929
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,640
I feel fantastic

7930
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:22,520
after that's over.

7931
01:57:22,580 --> 01:57:22,900
And you know,

7932
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:23,520
one of the reasons

7933
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:24,820
why I'm real confident

7934
01:57:24,820 --> 01:57:26,500
that Kyle is just human

7935
01:57:26,500 --> 01:57:27,180
and I are going to be

7936
01:57:27,180 --> 01:57:28,180
working together soon

7937
01:57:28,180 --> 01:57:29,380
because there's going

7938
01:57:29,380 --> 01:57:30,000
to be another

7939
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,400
indictment soon.

7940
01:57:31,580 --> 01:57:31,900
Yes.

7941
01:57:32,580 --> 01:57:33,180
There will.

7942
01:57:34,540 --> 01:57:35,320
Who's next?

7943
01:57:35,380 --> 01:57:36,260
I've got my prediction.

7944
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:37,360
Okay.

7945
01:57:37,460 --> 01:57:37,860
What's yours?

7946
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:39,240
Chris Steele.

7947
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:40,620
Okay.

7948
01:57:41,420 --> 01:57:41,680
Okay.

7949
01:57:43,460 --> 01:57:44,480
He's just the next guy

7950
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:45,020
up the chain,

7951
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:45,360
right?

7952
01:57:45,860 --> 01:57:47,000
It makes sense.

7953
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:48,540
It makes sense.

7954
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:49,360
So that would be

7955
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:50,120
interesting because

7956
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:50,720
then we would have

7957
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:51,780
to deal with extradition.

7958
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:53,760
Oh,

7959
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:54,360
yeah.

7960
01:57:55,140 --> 01:57:55,360
Now,

7961
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:55,840
that doesn't mean

7962
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:56,520
it won't happen

7963
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:57,660
but it means

7964
01:57:57,660 --> 01:57:59,120
it could drop

7965
01:57:59,120 --> 01:57:59,980
and then there's

7966
01:57:59,980 --> 01:58:01,220
this extradition battle

7967
01:58:01,220 --> 01:58:01,900
to get him

7968
01:58:01,900 --> 01:58:02,820
to the U.S.

7969
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:03,440
Now,

7970
01:58:03,540 --> 01:58:04,280
now they'd go after

7971
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:05,380
Chuck Dolan next.

7972
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:06,640
They might.

7973
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:07,380
Yeah.

7974
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:07,980
See,

7975
01:58:08,220 --> 01:58:10,140
I've been thinking

7976
01:58:10,140 --> 01:58:10,680
it's either going

7977
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:11,280
to be Dolan

7978
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:11,840
or Jaffe.

7979
01:58:13,140 --> 01:58:14,080
That would make sense.

7980
01:58:14,380 --> 01:58:14,660
And it would be

7981
01:58:14,660 --> 01:58:15,400
Jaffe first

7982
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:15,860
because

7983
01:58:15,860 --> 01:58:17,640
that was the one

7984
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:18,200
they did first.

7985
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:19,220
They did Sussman first

7986
01:58:19,220 --> 01:58:19,720
then they'd do

7987
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:20,600
Jaffe next

7988
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,020
and then Chuck Dolan

7989
01:58:22,020 --> 01:58:22,720
would be next.

7990
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:23,660
How long,

7991
01:58:23,820 --> 01:58:24,360
bro,

7992
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:25,060
they're going to drag

7993
01:58:25,060 --> 01:58:25,780
this all the way

7994
01:58:25,780 --> 01:58:27,480
out to 2024?

7995
01:58:28,540 --> 01:58:28,620
Oh,

7996
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:29,460
it's going to take years.

7997
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:30,160
Yeah.

7998
01:58:30,180 --> 01:58:30,340
I mean,

7999
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:30,880
we're,

8000
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:31,120
see,

8001
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:32,220
and the question

8002
01:58:32,220 --> 01:58:32,860
becomes at what

8003
01:58:32,860 --> 01:58:33,640
point does he need

8004
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:34,300
to do a RICO?

8005
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:35,880
Because maybe,

8006
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:37,000
maybe Dolan

8007
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,200
and Jaffe won't be

8008
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:39,060
indicted until

8009
01:58:39,060 --> 01:58:40,480
there is a RICO case

8010
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:41,280
because there's

8011
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:41,560
such,

8012
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,180
there's such key cogs.

8013
01:58:43,820 --> 01:58:43,940
Yep.

8014
01:58:44,140 --> 01:58:44,300
Yeah.

8015
01:58:44,380 --> 01:58:45,240
So is there someone

8016
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:46,200
else that's

8017
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:46,980
lower down

8018
01:58:46,980 --> 01:58:47,420
or maybe

8019
01:58:47,420 --> 01:58:48,920
more disconnected

8020
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:49,840
that you wouldn't

8021
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:50,460
put in a RICO?

8022
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:51,400
Yeah.

8023
01:58:51,580 --> 01:58:52,300
So I've thought

8024
01:58:52,300 --> 01:58:52,920
about that too.

8025
01:58:52,980 --> 01:58:53,600
Like maybe he's

8026
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:53,960
going to pick

8027
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:54,620
someone off

8028
01:58:54,620 --> 01:58:56,060
that you

8029
01:58:56,060 --> 01:58:56,420
wouldn't,

8030
01:58:56,420 --> 01:58:57,000
you wouldn't

8031
01:58:57,000 --> 01:58:58,240
include in the RICO

8032
01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:59,320
or you wouldn't

8033
01:58:59,320 --> 01:58:59,780
have to.

8034
01:58:59,780 --> 01:59:00,660
I keep thinking

8035
01:59:00,660 --> 01:59:01,480
about Oleg

8036
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:02,120
Deripaska

8037
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:02,780
because that

8038
01:59:02,780 --> 01:59:03,040
would get

8039
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:03,960
at the finances.

8040
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:04,840
And that's

8041
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:05,380
one area

8042
01:59:05,380 --> 01:59:05,780
that Durham

8043
01:59:05,780 --> 01:59:06,360
hasn't gone

8044
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:06,940
for is

8045
01:59:06,940 --> 01:59:07,880
the finances.

8046
01:59:08,340 --> 01:59:08,800
Yeah.

8047
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,380
but I know

8048
01:59:10,380 --> 01:59:11,480
or I believe

8049
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:11,960
I don't know

8050
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:12,780
I believe

8051
01:59:12,780 --> 01:59:13,360
that Durham

8052
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:14,500
is pretty

8053
01:59:14,500 --> 01:59:15,000
close to

8054
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:15,420
a RICO

8055
01:59:15,420 --> 01:59:16,460
because

8056
01:59:16,460 --> 01:59:18,340
in late

8057
01:59:18,340 --> 01:59:18,900
last week

8058
01:59:18,900 --> 01:59:19,320
of July

8059
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:19,800
first week

8060
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:20,300
of August

8061
01:59:20,300 --> 01:59:21,420
he hired

8062
01:59:21,420 --> 01:59:22,300
Adam Small

8063
01:59:22,300 --> 01:59:23,900
DOJ trial

8064
01:59:23,900 --> 01:59:24,240
attorney

8065
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:24,980
Adam Small

8066
01:59:24,980 --> 01:59:26,260
onto his SEO

8067
01:59:26,260 --> 01:59:27,340
and Adam Small

8068
01:59:27,340 --> 01:59:28,260
specializes

8069
01:59:28,260 --> 01:59:29,940
in RICO.

8070
01:59:30,500 --> 01:59:31,460
Of course he does.

8071
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:32,340
But Adam Small

8072
01:59:32,340 --> 01:59:32,940
wasn't used

8073
01:59:32,940 --> 01:59:33,440
at all

8074
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:34,120
in this case.

8075
01:59:34,860 --> 01:59:35,860
He added him

8076
01:59:35,860 --> 01:59:36,360
and everybody

8077
01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:36,960
thought

8078
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:37,380
oh

8079
01:59:37,380 --> 01:59:38,620
Durham added

8080
01:59:38,620 --> 01:59:39,360
Adam Small

8081
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:40,040
because

8082
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:41,520
one of the

8083
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:42,200
previous guys

8084
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:42,540
whose name

8085
01:59:42,540 --> 01:59:42,880
I've already

8086
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:43,240
forgotten

8087
01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:44,140
Al Gore

8088
01:59:44,140 --> 01:59:45,780
or Al Gore

8089
01:59:45,780 --> 01:59:46,600
Jonathan Al Gore

8090
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:47,440
who's in the

8091
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:48,120
EDNY

8092
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:48,740
where Durham

8093
01:59:48,740 --> 01:59:49,380
Durham's son

8094
01:59:49,380 --> 01:59:49,800
is

8095
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:50,600
is a

8096
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:51,120
U.S.

8097
01:59:51,180 --> 01:59:51,440
attorney.

8098
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:53,160
Al Gore

8099
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:53,660
was taken

8100
01:59:53,660 --> 01:59:54,400
off the SEO

8101
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:55,080
and went to

8102
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:55,400
go work

8103
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:55,860
a terrorism

8104
01:59:55,860 --> 01:59:56,340
case.

8105
01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:58,540
So Adam Small

8106
01:59:58,540 --> 01:59:58,980
got added

8107
01:59:58,980 --> 01:59:59,280
and everybody

8108
01:59:59,280 --> 01:59:59,740
thought oh

8109
01:59:59,740 --> 02:00:00,180
well he's just

8110
02:00:00,180 --> 02:00:00,620
a replacement

8111
02:00:00,620 --> 02:00:01,180
for Al Gore

8112
02:00:01,180 --> 02:00:02,200
but then Adam Small

8113
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:02,820
didn't feature

8114
02:00:02,820 --> 02:00:03,480
at all

8115
02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:03,860
whatsoever

8116
02:00:03,860 --> 02:00:04,520
in this

8117
02:00:04,520 --> 02:00:05,160
trial

8118
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:05,820
or the case

8119
02:00:05,820 --> 02:00:07,320
so he

8120
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:07,820
picked up

8121
02:00:07,820 --> 02:00:08,500
this RICO

8122
02:00:08,500 --> 02:00:09,020
attorney

8123
02:00:09,020 --> 02:00:10,500
for another

8124
02:00:10,500 --> 02:00:11,040
reason.

8125
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:12,720
So I think

8126
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:13,240
I think we're

8127
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:13,940
pretty close.

8128
02:00:14,020 --> 02:00:14,460
I'm not saying

8129
02:00:14,460 --> 02:00:14,800
it's going to

8130
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:15,200
happen that's

8131
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:15,380
going to be

8132
02:00:15,380 --> 02:00:15,720
the next

8133
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:16,640
thing you

8134
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:17,380
know close

8135
02:00:17,380 --> 02:00:17,900
in Durham

8136
02:00:17,900 --> 02:00:18,340
turns

8137
02:00:18,340 --> 02:00:19,180
terms could

8138
02:00:19,180 --> 02:00:19,540
be two

8139
02:00:19,540 --> 02:00:20,140
years or

8140
02:00:20,140 --> 02:00:20,320
more.

8141
02:00:20,380 --> 02:00:21,020
Yeah exactly.

8142
02:00:22,900 --> 02:00:23,680
But yeah

8143
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:24,280
I don't

8144
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:25,380
he's not done

8145
02:00:25,380 --> 02:00:25,920
he just wrapped

8146
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:26,360
up that

8147
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:27,000
that grand

8148
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:27,580
jury and I

8149
02:00:27,580 --> 02:00:28,320
expect that

8150
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:29,380
there will be

8151
02:00:29,380 --> 02:00:29,820
an announcement

8152
02:00:29,820 --> 02:00:30,480
probably after

8153
02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:31,160
midterms.

8154
02:00:32,140 --> 02:00:32,980
Oh or maybe

8155
02:00:32,980 --> 02:00:33,660
right before.

8156
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:35,380
It'd be great

8157
02:00:35,380 --> 02:00:35,720
man.

8158
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:36,080
Hey.

8159
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:36,820
Yeah I doubt

8160
02:00:36,820 --> 02:00:37,180
this is the

8161
02:00:37,180 --> 02:00:37,660
last time we

8162
02:00:37,660 --> 02:00:38,180
worked together

8163
02:00:38,180 --> 02:00:38,680
on something

8164
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:39,360
like this

8165
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,020
or any other

8166
02:00:40,020 --> 02:00:40,300
matter.

8167
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:41,020
This worked

8168
02:00:41,020 --> 02:00:41,360
out pretty

8169
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:41,740
well.

8170
02:00:42,260 --> 02:00:42,740
It sure did.

8171
02:00:43,140 --> 02:00:44,020
Dow 76

8172
02:00:44,020 --> 02:00:44,540
$17.

8173
02:00:44,940 --> 02:00:45,600
Can all of

8174
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:46,140
this material

8175
02:00:46,140 --> 02:00:46,740
be used in

8176
02:00:46,740 --> 02:00:47,140
a military

8177
02:00:47,140 --> 02:00:47,520
trial?

8178
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:48,200
Is that where

8179
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:48,760
this is going

8180
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:49,460
or RICO

8181
02:00:49,460 --> 02:00:49,960
before a

8182
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:50,280
civilian

8183
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:50,680
jury?

8184
02:00:51,700 --> 02:00:52,340
Your guess

8185
02:00:52,340 --> 02:00:52,660
is as good

8186
02:00:52,660 --> 02:00:52,960
as mine.

8187
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:53,140
What do

8188
02:00:53,140 --> 02:00:53,360
you think

8189
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:53,580
Kyle?

8190
02:00:54,660 --> 02:00:55,500
Well in

8191
02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:55,900
order for

8192
02:00:55,900 --> 02:00:56,540
anything to

8193
02:00:56,540 --> 02:00:56,920
be in

8194
02:00:56,920 --> 02:00:57,540
front of a

8195
02:00:57,540 --> 02:00:57,960
military

8196
02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:58,880
trial you

8197
02:00:58,880 --> 02:00:59,180
would have

8198
02:00:59,180 --> 02:01:00,080
to have a

8199
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:00,560
connection to

8200
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:01,040
the military.

8201
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:01,480
It would have

8202
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:02,780
to be a

8203
02:01:02,780 --> 02:01:03,320
violation of

8204
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:04,140
the UCMJ.

8205
02:01:04,580 --> 02:01:05,660
That's what I've

8206
02:01:05,660 --> 02:01:06,080
been thinking.

8207
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:08,020
I know why

8208
02:01:08,020 --> 02:01:08,820
people bring up

8209
02:01:08,820 --> 02:01:09,740
military tribunals

8210
02:01:09,740 --> 02:01:10,840
and stuff but I

8211
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:11,640
don't see how

8212
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:13,180
you jump this

8213
02:01:13,180 --> 02:01:14,460
conspiracy into a

8214
02:01:14,460 --> 02:01:15,900
criminal trial in

8215
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:16,780
a military court.

8216
02:01:16,780 --> 02:01:18,280
Well I suppose

8217
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:18,660
I suppose it

8218
02:01:18,660 --> 02:01:19,340
would need to

8219
02:01:19,340 --> 02:01:19,740
be

8220
02:01:19,740 --> 02:01:22,660
you would need

8221
02:01:22,660 --> 02:01:23,160
to show there

8222
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:23,740
was some kind

8223
02:01:23,740 --> 02:01:24,260
of violation

8224
02:01:24,260 --> 02:01:24,660
of the

8225
02:01:24,660 --> 02:01:25,140
because you

8226
02:01:25,140 --> 02:01:25,540
guys you

8227
02:01:25,540 --> 02:01:25,900
can try

8228
02:01:25,900 --> 02:01:26,600
treason in

8229
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:27,180
a civilian

8230
02:01:27,180 --> 02:01:27,540
court.

8231
02:01:28,180 --> 02:01:28,340
Yeah.

8232
02:01:29,020 --> 02:01:29,600
So like how

8233
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:30,800
does like all

8234
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:31,640
the crimes we

8235
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:32,440
believe that

8236
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:32,980
Hillary Clinton

8237
02:01:32,980 --> 02:01:33,780
is guilty of

8238
02:01:33,780 --> 02:01:34,780
all of those

8239
02:01:34,780 --> 02:01:35,340
can be tried

8240
02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:35,700
in federal

8241
02:01:35,700 --> 02:01:35,980
court.

8242
02:01:36,700 --> 02:01:36,960
Yep.

8243
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:38,960
By the way

8244
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,380
Dow 76 tosses

8245
02:01:40,380 --> 02:01:41,000
us another five

8246
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:41,500
bucks and says

8247
02:01:41,500 --> 02:01:42,140
please explain

8248
02:01:42,140 --> 02:01:42,540
RICO.

8249
02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:43,360
Some don't

8250
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:43,620
know.

8251
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:44,460
It stands for

8252
02:01:44,460 --> 02:01:45,140
racketeering

8253
02:01:45,140 --> 02:01:46,520
influenced and

8254
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:47,000
corrupt

8255
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:47,760
organizations.

8256
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:48,660
It's just

8257
02:01:48,660 --> 02:01:49,260
another way of

8258
02:01:49,260 --> 02:01:50,680
saying we

8259
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:51,580
can charge

8260
02:01:51,580 --> 02:01:52,140
everybody at

8261
02:01:52,140 --> 02:01:52,780
once as part

8262
02:01:52,780 --> 02:01:53,640
of being part

8263
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:54,080
of the mafia.

8264
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:54,920
That's really

8265
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:55,580
the quickest way

8266
02:01:55,580 --> 02:01:56,180
to describe it.

8267
02:01:56,760 --> 02:01:56,860
Yeah.

8268
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:57,100
Yeah.

8269
02:01:57,100 --> 02:01:57,700
It was created

8270
02:01:57,700 --> 02:01:59,420
to help take

8271
02:01:59,420 --> 02:02:00,040
down organized

8272
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:00,960
crime and what

8273
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:01,300
are we looking

8274
02:02:01,300 --> 02:02:01,660
at here?

8275
02:02:01,900 --> 02:02:02,760
Organized crime.

8276
02:02:02,860 --> 02:02:03,180
I mean the

8277
02:02:03,180 --> 02:02:03,920
Clinton family

8278
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:04,280
has been running

8279
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:04,860
an organized

8280
02:02:04,860 --> 02:02:05,760
crime family for

8281
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:06,140
decades.

8282
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:07,440
So RICO is

8283
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:08,420
perfectly suited

8284
02:02:08,420 --> 02:02:10,040
to take down

8285
02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:11,260
a big organization.

8286
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:12,020
You do one

8287
02:02:12,020 --> 02:02:12,500
big indictment

8288
02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:13,780
and then you

8289
02:02:13,780 --> 02:02:14,340
can have separate

8290
02:02:14,340 --> 02:02:14,660
trials.

8291
02:02:14,700 --> 02:02:14,900
You have to

8292
02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:15,320
try them all

8293
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:15,640
at the same

8294
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:16,240
time but it's

8295
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:17,040
a massive

8296
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:17,860
superseding

8297
02:02:17,860 --> 02:02:18,440
indictment.

8298
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,500
And that's

8299
02:02:21,500 --> 02:02:22,400
the best way

8300
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:22,980
to take on

8301
02:02:22,980 --> 02:02:23,220
this.

8302
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:23,580
That's how

8303
02:02:23,580 --> 02:02:24,480
you do it.

8304
02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:24,980
But before

8305
02:02:24,980 --> 02:02:25,680
you get there

8306
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:26,440
you've got to

8307
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:26,820
get all the

8308
02:02:26,820 --> 02:02:27,300
evidence that

8309
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:27,780
you need and

8310
02:02:27,780 --> 02:02:28,100
you've got to

8311
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:28,660
flip enough

8312
02:02:28,660 --> 02:02:29,460
people down

8313
02:02:29,460 --> 02:02:29,960
the ladder

8314
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:31,200
before you can

8315
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:31,700
drop that

8316
02:02:31,700 --> 02:02:32,440
RICO charge.

8317
02:02:33,540 --> 02:02:33,660
Yep.

8318
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:34,840
All right.

8319
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:35,720
I think we are

8320
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:36,820
squared away my

8321
02:02:36,820 --> 02:02:37,360
friends.

8322
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:38,540
Kyle is just

8323
02:02:38,540 --> 02:02:38,900
human.

8324
02:02:39,340 --> 02:02:39,920
Thank you for

8325
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,260
your indefatigable

8326
02:02:41,260 --> 02:02:41,720
work.

8327
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:43,080
And to the

8328
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:43,960
audience thank

8329
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:45,300
you for making

8330
02:02:45,300 --> 02:02:46,160
it so that we

8331
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:47,080
have jobs.

8332
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:48,700
Yes thank you

8333
02:02:48,700 --> 02:02:49,240
all very much.

8334
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:49,780
I've really

8335
02:02:49,780 --> 02:02:50,920
enjoyed going

8336
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:51,280
through these

8337
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:52,440
transcripts and

8338
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:52,880
writing these

8339
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:53,520
sub stacks and

8340
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:53,880
doing these

8341
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:54,300
streams with

8342
02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:54,620
Patrick.

8343
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,220
And I did it

8344
02:02:57,220 --> 02:02:57,680
because I'm a

8345
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:58,740
nerd but I was

8346
02:02:58,740 --> 02:02:59,500
able to do it

8347
02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:00,220
because of y'all

8348
02:03:00,220 --> 02:03:00,800
support.

8349
02:03:01,220 --> 02:03:02,040
And so seriously

8350
02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:02,760
guys thank you

8351
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:03,600
all everybody who

8352
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:04,640
has hit the plus

8353
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:05,480
button who shares

8354
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:06,320
these videos shares

8355
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:07,060
the sub stacks

8356
02:03:07,060 --> 02:03:08,060
everybody who's

8357
02:03:08,060 --> 02:03:08,840
bought coffee

8358
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:09,580
everybody who's

8359
02:03:09,580 --> 02:03:09,940
done rebel

8360
02:03:09,940 --> 02:03:10,780
rants every

8361
02:03:10,780 --> 02:03:11,240
way that you

8362
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:11,820
have supported

8363
02:03:11,820 --> 02:03:12,980
it means

8364
02:03:12,980 --> 02:03:13,520
something to

8365
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:13,960
us and we

8366
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:14,980
sincerely appreciate

8367
02:03:14,980 --> 02:03:16,360
it and we'll

8368
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:16,820
do it again.

8369
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:18,180
And one more

8370
02:03:18,180 --> 02:03:19,360
thing both Kyle

8371
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,360
and I will be

8372
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:22,420
at thread fest

8373
02:03:22,420 --> 02:03:23,960
November 11th

8374
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:25,560
through the 14th

8375
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:27,020
Dallas Texas the

8376
02:03:27,020 --> 02:03:28,280
South Lake Hilton

8377
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:29,040
resort.

8378
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:29,920
I've been just

8379
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:30,840
I'm here right

8380
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:31,840
now just kind of

8381
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:32,240
walking the

8382
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:32,820
property making

8383
02:03:32,820 --> 02:03:33,620
little video clips

8384
02:03:33,620 --> 02:03:34,740
guys it's friggin

8385
02:03:34,740 --> 02:03:35,620
gorgeous and in

8386
02:03:35,620 --> 02:03:36,540
the early November

8387
02:03:36,540 --> 02:03:37,880
in Texas is the

8388
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:38,640
best autumn you

8389
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:39,440
will ever experience

8390
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:40,220
in your entire

8391
02:03:40,220 --> 02:03:41,280
life so go to

8392
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:44,300
www.threadfest.show

8393
02:03:44,300 --> 02:03:45,880
and also check out

8394
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:46,560
the payment link

8395
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:47,300
right in this video

8396
02:03:47,300 --> 02:03:48,020
you can buy your

8397
02:03:48,020 --> 02:03:49,020
tickets right at

8398
02:03:49,020 --> 02:03:49,560
that link.

8399
02:03:50,820 --> 02:03:51,500
Kyle is just

8400
02:03:51,500 --> 02:03:52,600
human thank you so

8401
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:53,220
much and I'll go

8402
02:03:53,220 --> 02:03:53,900
ahead and wrap this

8403
02:03:53,900 --> 02:03:54,500
up because everybody's

8404
02:03:54,500 --> 02:03:55,000
probably looking to

8405
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:55,460
go to bed.

8406
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:56,460
Good night everybody

8407
02:03:56,460 --> 02:03:57,700
and I will see you

8408
02:03:57,700 --> 02:03:58,540
next time.

8409
02:03:59,040 --> 02:03:59,740
Good night.