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educating legislators regarding the health
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biological and health effects from wireless
radiation.

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And part of our team is cancer
epidemiologists,

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toxicologists, cellular biologists,

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all the people that the FCC do not employ.

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As a matter of fact, the FCC

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does not even have a health department.

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And the working around of health effects

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from wireless technology is really a sad
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And frankly, there's no nice way to say this.

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The wireless industry is lying about health

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and they're lying about this technology

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and how it needs to be implemented.

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And coming from California, we have more
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because they're already beginning to install.

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So we know more about it.

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I think this video is important

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because it's one of--

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- It's really hard to see,

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so everybody thinks it doesn't go very far.

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So that's what allows you to gain--

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- Well, wait a second now.

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Do we have the capacity to get that shown?

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No?

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- It's okay, it's only 30 seconds.

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- Okay.

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But I'm getting wavelengths that are
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I'm kidding.

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- This is downloaded.

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- We're 3,000 feet away from our radio node.

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The cool thing about this is we did not move
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It's pointing down to serve the customers in
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we're still getting gig speeds.

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- I think what's important about this Verizon
advertisement

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for 5G is they make it very clear

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that their technology can travel very easily
3,000 feet.

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So that's more than half a mile.

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So what that means is they do not need to
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these transmitters so close to people.

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They do not need to locate them so close
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to each other and not so close to human
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So they're really lying about the
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of this technology.

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If you look, Councilwoman,

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if you look at this brochure here,

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this is from Verizon themselves,

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and this is regarding their insurance

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for their wireless devices.

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And what it says is we do not cover emissions

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or pollutants emitted by our wireless
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But what's really interesting about this
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is they define wireless radiation in all its
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And they say here, they do not cover

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and they exclude coverage for pollution.

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The discharge, dispersal, seepage, migration,

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or escape of pollutants.

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Pollutants mean any solid liquid gaseous

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or thermal irritant or contaminant,

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including smoke, vapor, soot, fumes, acid,

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alkaline, chemicals, artificially produced
electric fields,

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magnetic fields, electromagnetic fields,

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sound waves, microwaves,

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or non-ionizing radiation or waste.

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So what's interesting is they define wireless
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as a pollutant when it comes to them covering

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and protecting themselves in terms of
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But when they wanna force it into our
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and blanket our communities with wireless
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supposedly it's safe.

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And I ask you, Councilwoman,

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that the count that all the representatives

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from the wireless industry be asked very
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is safe for the health and safety of our
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I want that on record because according

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to their own printed literature, that's not
the case.

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And that's a big issue because working around
health effects,

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known health effects, is really the M.O.,

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whether it's the FCC order which says

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that we have streamlining,

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so we don't wanna consider health
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at all so they can just work around it.

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And what really concerns me very much

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is that what we're not talking about

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and that in the signing of the MLAs,

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the public was not included,

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the normal process was not included,

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our elected officials were not included.

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That cannot be the normal due process in this
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but that's what's happening.

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And if people are really so eager to have
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and it's so great, why not include the
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Why not have their input and what's going on?

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Now, another lie of the industry,

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and there's no other way to say it,

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is that these are gonna be small cells

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This is in California.

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This is what it looks like when they,

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this is what it looks like upside down,

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when they install, and what the plan is to be
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this is gonna be 4G and then they're gonna
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on top of it, and that's the power source

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that can be the size of two refrigerators,

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and you can see it's about 15 feet from this
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There is no way this woman doesn't get sick,

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either short term with neurological

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- Where is this picture, could you?

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- In Santa Rosa.

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- Santa Rosa.

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- Yeah, and it's in, you can find it in an
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I can send you the article.

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But, so what we have is the industry clearly
lying

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to public representatives, which should
outrage you,

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enough that you stop the process and you
start over again,

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because this is a forcing and work around,

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and that is the MO, and what you need to
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is no wireless device, and 5G included,

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No antenna is safety tested before it's put
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They only have to fall under an exposure
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that is a thermal guideline only,

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which means you're only guaranteed not to be
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or burned by your phone or your antenna.

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Anything below that over time isn't covered,

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and that's where the real health effects are.

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The reality is this is the greatest
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and safety threat of our time,

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and instead of fighting back and pushing
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like wired fiber optic to the home,

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we are spending millions and billions

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and just showing the way to the industry

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of taking advantage of us.

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This is when we need our representatives to
represent.

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This is when we need our representatives to
push back,

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and it can't just be you,

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it has to be the entire council.

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This is truly wrong.

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You can only microwave, radiate people so
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and what you'll see in my packet is a report

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showing clear biological effects below
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below our safety guidelines,

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and what's interesting about this report is
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the subjects of these studies,

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30 to 80% of them were aware of it

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because our skin and our eyes are gonna
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a disproportionate amount of this wireless
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So you're talking about serious effects to
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and our nerves,

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and venerate our skin,

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and exposing our eyes to military-grade
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and our eyes have no natural defense against
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So you're talking about putting this in front
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forcing it into their rooms.

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This is absolutely absurd.

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We have video from the FCC proceedings

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with one of the 5G engineers saying
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look, we are forcing these directed beams

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into people's windows at levels

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This is absolutely absurd,

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and the FCC shrugged it off and said,

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this isn't an issue that we need to be
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- Thank you.

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We have your testimony.

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I appreciate what you're talking about,

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but we do have over 50 witnesses.

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- Thank you very much.

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- Ms. Bushong.

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- Hi.

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- I wanna speak on behalf of Trees on today

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because we're hearing a lot of things about
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as I'm sure that you are.

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But when I looked through the guidelines,

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I realized it's going to affect also

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the tree health in the district.

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So one of the things that we were told,

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I happen to be one of three community
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on the Urban Forestry Advisory Committee,

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and DDOT came to speak with us

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when we had our last committee meeting,

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and I appreciate that because it really let
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what some of the issues might be.

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these small cells have to be put someplace on
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and right now it's going to be in what we
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I like the name of this, the amenity zone.

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That happens to be where trees are planted
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So if there are cell towers,

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those small cell installations would go up

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in the same spot in the same general area

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where the trees are now going.

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and they have said in the guidelines

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where there's an existing tree.

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That's pretty clear, but what is not as clear

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in the guidelines is what happens to future
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So let's say we want more trees along our
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and I'm really advocating for that

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because I live close to Rhode Island Avenue,

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and we have a lot of very stately old trees

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that have been very aggressively pruned

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by PEPCO over the years.

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And many of us live in neighborhoods

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Once those trees come down,

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and many of them have been removed on Rhode
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then only trees that reach a mature height of
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Now we're talking about trees that were 80
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and now we have a tree that can be no more
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My solution to that is we can't just put a
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in where the tree box was for that large
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to replace each of those large ones.

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Still won't really provide the same benefits,

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but here's what's going to happen.

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If one of those cells, small cells,

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poles goes in that space,

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and there will be no tree in that space.

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So are we able to project where we want those
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Is DDOT has said that they would be giving
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and that they would be careful about it,

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but the reality is we're talking about

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When those giant trees come out,

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who's going to really be sitting there

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and saying to these companies,

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you can't put in a tower and can't put
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because we're going to have trees?

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So I really think that we need to slow this
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I'm in total agreement with what everybody's
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We need to protect our canopy.

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I want to read, and I'm going to quote this

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and this is exactly what you had said, sir,

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is that in an interview in CNN

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that Verizon's transmitters would work at
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So why is it necessary to have new poles put
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as allowed on the draft document,

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up to six on a block that's 750 feet in
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if Verizon says that they can transmit over
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What's the point?

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So a lot of what has been written in these
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even if we weren't looking at some of the
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So to protect human health and tree health,

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we need to go back to the drawing board.

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So thank you very much.

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- Thank you very much, Ms. Warren.

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- Hi, I'm Linnea Warren, a resident who
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with DC's approach to small cells.

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I'm going to be submitting a written report

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with a lot more details and sources,

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Understand that the telecom industry is
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to 5G, not users with any specific need.

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The FCC, whose chair was of Verizon
lobbyists,

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gave industry a massive gift by declaring

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that pesky federal and local laws can't be
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to slow the rollout of small cells in 5G.

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But 5G isn't a thing, it's a buzzword.

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Even industry doesn't yet know what it is or
how it will work.

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Basically, commercial telecoms are trying to
nail down rights

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they're still designing.

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Considering its unique role in cityscape,

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the nation's capital has got to be the worst
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to serve as a guinea pig.

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There's no advantage to being first.

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My husband, a retired venture capital lawyer

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who represented tech companies,

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said insiders always joke that first
generation technology

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is only for suckers.

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Often it's little more than a concept

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being tested by early adopters.

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We're told that 5G will allow lots of data

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which have been used for weapons,

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but not for communications

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because the signals are so easily disrupted

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by walls, trees, perhaps even rain.

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On the assumption that antennas will need a
clear line of sight

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and must be really close together,

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carriers envision dense overlapping networks
of small cells.

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Since existing utility poles and street
lights

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can't always support the equipment,

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forests of new poles are planned.

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But they may not be necessary.

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As several people have mentioned,

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Verizon's chairman said their test show

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One of his field engineers said 3,000.

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That's more than half a mile.

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Until we know if telecoms actually need

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all this real estate, why give it away?

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Once we do, we lose control over what they
can do with it.

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Why lift the tent flap and invite the camel

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to stick its nose inside?

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What do we get?

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Do you expect 5G to improve wireless service

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and bring broadband to all?

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A very nice industry rep told me that
intended users

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It isn't designed to reach indoors.

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What can we lose?

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Small cells are unsightly, inefficient energy
hogs

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that produce heat, threaten DC's trees and
canopy goals,

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and emit harmful radiation with serious
adverse health

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effects.

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Other countries acknowledge that wireless
signals

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cause cancer and other serious disease

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and have set far more restrictive exposure
laws

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Can we protect ourselves?

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Some cities at least keep small cells away
from homes, some as far as 500 feet.

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DC's master license agreement only requires a
10-foot setback, less if the right-of-way

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is restricted.

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Why?

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public or the council, to treat small cell
installations as a routine administrative

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matter and encourage their deployment.

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Someone wrote an industry-friendly master
license agreement that allows companies to

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cherry-pick locations, five -- can I just
finish my last one?

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Yes, please sum up.

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Which five already signed.

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The public space committee is a mayorally
appointed committee that drafted design

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When the public was finally allowed to
comment, the committee chair and DDOT's

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there waved off concerns about things like
health as being outside their purview.

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Do we have any choice?

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Other cities howled when the FCC limited
their ability to control public space.

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Many have filed suit.

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DC can stand up for its residents and join
them.

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Let's slow down and see how this all shakes
out, and if 5G indeed proves to be a good

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Thank you very much.

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Ms. Mormon.

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Thank you very much for having me around
today.

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And letting me speak.

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I also want to say that I particularly
appreciate the remarks by Jack Evans this

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he is my council member.

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And mine, of course.

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Yes.

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My name is Brenda Mormon.

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I've been a resident of Georgetown for 45
years.

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committee of the citizen's association of
Georgetown and the representative to the

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bid on the cityscape committee.

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I've been chapter chair of the DCCR club and
served as president of the Georgetown garden

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club.

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After attending a community meeting in
September and a department of transportati...

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It appears that this implementation presents
the strong possibility that the cultural and

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historical streetscapes of our city will be
changed forever.

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Before this is done, I would urge that the
council explore and investigate all questions

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regarding dangers to public health, scarring
the scenic environment for visitors and

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I'm sure will be brought out today.

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The old Georgetown act was passed by Congress
in 1950 in recognition of the exceptional

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sites which are an integral part of
Washington's founding and commercial and

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It also provided for establishing approval
processes for any changes through the old

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Georgetown board and the commission of fine
arts.

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to understand and appreciate our history.

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As a vibrant commercial and residential
community, changes have occurred in

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after thoroughly being considered, analyzed
and approved by the agencies and residents.

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Keeping that in mind, it's especially
disheartening to hear the representative o...

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The conclusion to be drawn from that is it's
intended that all poles will be placed on

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commercial and residential streets.

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At present in Georgetown, there are no
telephone or electric wires on our public

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If the envisioned towers are installed,
Georgetown's beauty and historic streetsca...

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forever.

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That is, all of the alternative options for
placing these 5G poles should be considered

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before placing them on public streets in
historic communities.

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One option that's been discussed is placing
larger towers on the top of commercial

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If done, many, many fewer installations,
possibly only five would be needed for to

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cover Georgetown.

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and all options to protect those values be
considered.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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I really think this committee is not in a
position to evaluate where 5G is in its

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I see you have your hand raised.

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I'm going to go to you next.

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Then on top of that, whether all of these
limitations that might be put on it are no...

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Why not alleyways?

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Why not on roofs?

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Will it really just enhance communication on
the street and not anything in the homes?

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I think these questions have to be answered
in addition to the ones about what other ill

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effects may be caused, but as yet, and I
guess this is for our telecom companies wh...

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them.

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Those are excellent questions.

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What's very important to understand is we
already have 98% coverage in terms of

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between people.

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This is about the internet of things, things
communicating with each other, and I would

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say we don't really need 5G.

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A matter of fact, most of the capabilities
they're talking about for 5G can be done

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There's great limits in terms of the
millimeter waves.

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That's why they haven't been used for
decades.

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There's all kinds of problems with them.

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In order for the millimeter waves to work,
they're going to have to put tremendous force

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behind them, and this tremendous force, and
that's why you saw that huge power source

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over here, becomes very problematic because
as you increase these powers, you have

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biological effects, none of which are being
taken into account, and when in doubt, we

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This is really, just like you're seeing here,
about industry having their way, working

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around the process, and this is not really
what people want, and what you know is, you

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probably know already, the National League of
Cities is opposing the small-cells rollout

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as is the League of Mayors, so there are
great concerns about this.

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The only ones who seem to really want 5G are
the industry that are going to be benefiting,

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and how are they going to be benefiting?

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When they put a transmitter in front of your
home, the design is it's going to be

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to the highest bidder, like Facebook does.

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In terms of value, this far surpasses the
wireless services themselves.

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That's why they're willing to spend 300
billion dollars rolling it out, but what i...

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the same time is seriously and intimately
violate your privacy.

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The other issue is cybersecurity.

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With all these transmitters collecting
information on us, wirelessly, we know tha...

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You're talking about violating people's
privacy in a very intimate way, jeopardizi...

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of our nation, and exposing us to intense
millimeter wave radiation in addition to the

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current radiation that we have now.

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Councilwoman, I think it's very important to
understand that with 4G, you're going to

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be putting these transmitters, which used to
be located miles away from people, very close

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of that trip is going to be going through
residents very close by.

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These 4G transmitters have absolutely no
place so close to people's homes.

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The 5G transmitters, while they're designed
for shorter transmissions, you could

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why they would be located closer, but not
this close to humans, but the 4G

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and while our studies show that wireless
radiation is clearly carcinogenic,

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one source.

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But what you're talking about here is now two
sources, very strong sources, lower

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and higher frequencies, hitting people with a
soup of wireless microwave radiation.

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So our bodies, certainly, are not designed to
adapt to any of this, and the reason why

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low frequencies and these high frequencies
are such a problem is we're electromagnetic,

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our cells are electromagnetic.

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The idea that these billions of waves per
second passing through our body are not going

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to have an effect on us is true fantasy.

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They absolutely have an effect on us.

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We are electromagnetic.

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So is our heart and brain.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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Did you say that the National League of
Cities and the League of Mayors oppose 5G

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or is it just that they oppose the FCC's
order?

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Senator Thune, which is going to shorten the
shot clocks, streamline, and then, by the

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way, if you get sick near a wireless
transmitter, you have to go back to it.

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But my question was pretty straightforward.

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Are they opposing the 5G technology, or are
they just opposing the FCC order, and perhaps

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this bill that has not been passed?

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Both, but that bill only pertains to 5G and
small cells.

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That bill only concerns itself with the
rollout of 5G.

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Okay.

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That's true that that's the subject, but do
they oppose 5G technology as such, per se?

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Based on their opposition with 3157, that is
to facilitate 5G, I would say yes they do.

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And we do know that they're opposing the FCC
order.

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No, I know that, but I wanted to find out,
because I thought you said they were opposing

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5G technology.

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But the FCC order is specifically about small
cell rollout, too.

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Well, I could have something that's about
dogs, but then if I worry about a regulation

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about dogs, doesn't mean I'm opposed to dogs.

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So there's a distinction, but okay.

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I hear what you're saying.

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I just wanted to check that.

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One thing I didn't mention was Dr. Beatrice
Gollum from California, where I'm from, who's

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an expert in electromagnetic radiation health
effects, wrote a letter regarding the rollout

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of small cells, and she cited 360 scientific
citations pointing to the biological and

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effects.

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Could we have a copy of that?

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That's in your packet.

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I just didn't have a chance to mention it,
along with the Army report.

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I think it's very illuminating.

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And then, okay, because you can't go on and
on.

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The other thing is, in my packet, is there
also a copy of that insurance form that you

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made reference to?

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Because I'd like to have that as well.

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Yes.

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One from AT&T as well.

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Okay, perfect.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much for having this hearing and
asking such good questions.

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You were saying -- yeah, you were saying that
-- well, you were saying that you wanted to

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know more about what 5G is, and again, I want
to point out that it kind of means different

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things to different people.

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It isn't one thing.

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They're still trying to decide what its use
is going to be.

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There was a conference in Barcelona this year
that was for mobile carriers, and they were

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all talking about what's the killer app for
5G going to be.

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All that means is the fifth generation, it's
an adjective of a technology.

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afraid to be a Luddite and say, "Oh, no, I
don't want modern things.

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We want to be modern," but making 911 systems
work, it's not going to make any sense.

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If it's only aimed at people on the street,
anybody inside who's trying to call 911 from

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a wireless thing has to have a whole separate
distribution system.

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What they said at this conference is that
what they think is going to be the really

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what the business model is, is it puts the
expense of putting in that last link to

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on the users rather than on the telecoms,
because it's expensive to run wires to every

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apartment in a building, so what they want to
do is they want to do everything wirelessly.

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This isn't just for your phone.

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The biggest use right now is watching movies
on your phone, which will be great if you're

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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And thank you all very much.

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And could we have, if we don't have a full
set of what you have, please make it

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to us.

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Thank you.

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safe without a health department or health
professionals, and we know they're a captured

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agency.

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We have the industry pushing this.

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I very much want you to ask them to go on
record in saying this technology is safe for

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know it's not safe.

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They're protecting themselves in terms of
liability, but they have no interest in

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they know it's not safe. They're protecting
themselves in terms of liability, but they

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have no interest in protecting us. This is
outrageous. This is the most important

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of local government to protect our health and
safety as being called into action now.

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Thank you. And thank you all for your
testimony. I'd like to call now please

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Georgetown. Elsa Santoyo, CAG. I'm not sure
what that stands for. Is the Citizen's