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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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No, you can't.

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Why?

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Because you are sitting in a cell and you don't see anything.

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Two days around.

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Where are you?

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You don't have to know anything.

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You don't have to do anything.

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You don't have to do anything.

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Sit and don't make any problems.

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What's the problem?

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Well, do you want to tell us what Americans want?

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A secret document that will be secreted in 1933.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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To provide information on the following.

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To provide information on the tajiki refugees residing in Afghanistan.

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To provide information on a madrasa in Karachi.

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To provide information on a madrasa in Karachi.

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To provide information on a madrasa in Karachi.

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To provide information on a madrasa in Karachi.

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To provide information on a madrasa in Karachi.

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To provide information on a madrasa in Pakistan.

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And they are willing to recomend свading as a madrasa in Karachi.

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So there is an as other there is.

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Or they should go outside in Pakistan.

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A destination where them wohin.

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To provide information on that madrasa in Karachi.

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What do you think of how theyabouts say in Pakistan?

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As such they are considering attaching them to Guantanamo.

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Greed e...

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przypadku the Arabic Republic of his car...

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To provide information on a madrasa in Karachi.

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To know what happened here

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We could have asked for it

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We could have asked for it

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We could have asked for it a few times

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That's it

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That's it for 5 years

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If you have any more

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If you have any more

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If it was important

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What are the victims of the world knew

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About 100,000 victims

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Maybe more

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We could have asked for it

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When I saw this paper

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I was surprised that they didn't think about it

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That they didn't think about it

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You know how the Soviet tanks set up

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You know, they didn't think about it

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They didn't think about it

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They didn't think about it

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You should be very careful

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I'm trying to think about it

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I think I would be very careful

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For 5 years

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It's impossible

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I could look at this poor bastard

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5 years in Guantanamo

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To find out about

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A couple of fucking refugees

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In Tajikistan

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It's not just this detainee

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There's revelations throughout Central Asia

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About what's happening there

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This is an extremely interesting

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Strategic region between China and Russia

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This is the State Department's brain

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The Empire in the 21st Century

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We looked at the region

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Correspondence with Karl Rove

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Whoa

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Ahhh

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Hahaha

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This is the summary of the cables from Tajikistan.

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The first cable that we have is the scene setter for some important person that went

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to Tajikistan.

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Regardless of our efforts, there is a limit to what Tajikistan can offer, and that's

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to the United States.

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It produces very little, it is poor, its government has minimal capacity.

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The Tajiks have some unrealistic ideas about what we can offer them.

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Mainly large infrastructure projects including questionable power plants, tunnels to Pakistan

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and bridges to nowhere.

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There is some truth to the quip that Tajikistan's real contribution to our efforts in Afghanistan

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is to be stable and to allow unfettered overflight and transit to our forces, which the Tajiks

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have done unfailingly.

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Okay, so we have another one which is also kind of fun.

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It's about how the United States is trying to make the local media more pro-American.

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And how do they want to do that?

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Here goes.

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In addition to overt public diplomacy, other complementary efforts could be authorized,

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such as aggressive media campaign through the Russian media, as well as placements of

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articles in the major Russian newspaper papers read in Central Asia.

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Ensure that editors see the positive material from Russian media and pay them, if necessary,

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to reprint it.

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Reprint it?

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Yeah.

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So they will publish positive material about the United States in Gazeta.ru, ECHO,

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ECHO Moscow Interfax, and then they will pay the local editors in Tajikistan so they reprint

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those articles.

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Wow.

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Do they name some media which they wanted to pay for reprinting?

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That might be interesting.

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What do they regard as natural partners?

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We will have to look at that in the full documents.

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This is just a summary, right?

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So are we going through the tunnel, or around the tunnel, or?

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Through, I think, yeah.

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We will go there.

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We can go there.

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It doesn't look like it's finished, does it?

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Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure this tunnel is finished.

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There are workers in front of us.

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I'm not sure either, but there are people.

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There is people there.

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Hello.

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Do we want to go to Dushanbe?

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Yes.

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How do they open the tunnel?

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Yes, it's open.

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It's open.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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What?

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All the way back.

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Maybe you can try to reverse, or I mean to turn around?

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No, because there are those, you know.

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I wonder if we would have been able to go all the way through anyway.

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So you saw those guys, they were wearing masks.

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Yeah.

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So maybe the car would go up till the end, but not us.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Try not to tell us about how to find a trip to Dushanbe?

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Right then to the left.

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To the left?

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The stairs will come down.

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Under the side to the left.

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Beingцеap.

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Yeah, right.

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The way you just say straight to the right.

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Thank you.

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Been happy.

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Happy holidays.

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Did you go!

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Thank you.

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We're on our way to the Asia Plus news agency here in Tajikistan, and that's our first destination.

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Here is the team.

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That's me, Johannes.

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This is Dmitry, the Russian journalist from the magazine that we've been working with.

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This is Alina, who's also a journalist.

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And Katya, a filmmaker from Kazakhstan.

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And this is Theo, who will be filming our journey.

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Now we can, if we are seriously to this, then the scene just lost.

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Yeah, I understand.

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But we've already been able to do this, because we're in the movie.

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So, for example, we're in the city.

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We're in the city.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Marat Morchul.

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Hello.

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Hello, welcome, Fyodor.

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I don't know, who of us was in the city.

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No, it's not me.

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Hello.

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I'm there, in the news.

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No, no worries.

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Well, no worries.

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Well, no worries.

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Well, no worries.

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I always, I'm off-pastled.

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Well, if you do a lot of foreign börjarery, I think there are some limits at all.

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There are four implications there for us, which are the other countries that doesn't enter from thecode.

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What is it?

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Well, there are vä sons and să-by.

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But if we going to park this 순vometer strongly if we'll say We will speak about this, then what will then is it?

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What will it be like?

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Ok, ok.

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Interview has been one part of the story, in which we are here.

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Thanks great for it.

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But there is also another part that might be interested in it and not interested in it, and it is about WikiLeaks.

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Because I am a Russian-based base, I am a Swedish-based base, and there is an analogous base for Tajikistan.

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So, what do you do to do with the material? What you publish in your book is completely your job.

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How do you publish it? If you publish it or not.

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But in the meantime, you take the responsibility to remove the people who may suffer from the publication of these materials.

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It is interesting in general.

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It is interesting. It is about the conditions.

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Make up a comma of these.

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It is about a letter passed in that paper that you can sign.

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It is called Theeบ sigment on the même andar.

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In franc cupcakes, it is not Just your own relations.

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It is as a committee as a moral power.

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These are various rights, and the basic importance are there.

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Avoid sending them to a fifth, save them to a half, a half, and if there is people,

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really speaking financial, they can Doll didn't get injured...

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who said something, that he said something, that he said something, that he built a big man

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and that he built a big man with a big man.

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And it's clear that about a big man it's interesting,

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but about a big man it's interesting, and about a big man it's interesting.

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And then this big man it's a big man.

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And, of course, people in London absolutely can't decide.

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We can't decide for you.

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In any case, people should know the name of this man,

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but in any case, no.

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We can do it all in the next hour.

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We can give them a random now.

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If you say exactly, that you need a lot of time, then we will leave.

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Let's go tomorrow.

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Okay?

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You can do it?

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He's not long enough.

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But, in any case, we would want to be with our main editor,

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this question.

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Because he knows English better than we all know.

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Maybe you have this procedure?

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Maybe you can do it now?

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I'm not doing it now, because...

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He's in Washington, I'm afraid.

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He's in Washington.

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He's in Washington.

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In America.

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If he was here, he would be now?

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I think it's just a formality.

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As said, Mr. Shachov, you don't need therapy.

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You're a big man.

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You're a big man.

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You're a big man.

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You're a big man.

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Well, okay.

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No, the most big man is in Washington.

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Washington.

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Washington.

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Asia Plus.

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You're a big man.

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What's your name?

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You're a big man.

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Umik Mansorovich Babakhanov.

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Okay.

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Number 11

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Times

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Made in city

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Little

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The name is

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She they were

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And here's the name of patrism.

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And the name has to increase on both high

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It's cuatro...

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Yes, I have to write. Why are they Korean?

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Let's go.

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We're sitting here in the office of one of the future partners,

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and they're called Asia Plus.

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Is there a chance that within the coming half hour or so

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you can be online for Skype?

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Alright.

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You can add the sound.

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You can see me now, correct?

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Yes.

272
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Hello.

273
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Okay, very good.

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So, first I would just give a very brief description

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as to how I think you should approach this material.

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So, the most important thing to do is to read all of it.

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If you go searching for particular things,

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you will bring your prejudice to the material,

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and you will only find what you already know.

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Now, the other is to understand the situation

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in which these documents are made.

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That is, they are made by U.S. diplomats, political officers,

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economic officers at the U.S. Embassy,

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and they are reports on their own activities back to Washington.

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Of course, I would love to be there myself,

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but I have to live vicariously these days

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by sending these people around the world to engage in some form of remote adventure.

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So, Marat, to search for his own name, the first thing he did.

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He calls me an independent journalist.

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He is called an independent journalist.

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That's the first prize.

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It's a big mistake.

293
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It's a big mistake.

294
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Again?

295
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Again?

296
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Yeah, I said you were shocked.

297
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Yeah, I said you were shocked.

298
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Yeah.

299
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So, this is already right.

300
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So, I remember too often.

301
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Oh, sorry.

302
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Too many times.

303
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Aziu Plus, take us.

304
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So, how do we do this?

305
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So, how do we do this?

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Let's put it up.

307
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So, again, we have to do it.

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Action and clear...

309
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Exactly.

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That's how we start.

311
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Yeah, exactly.

312
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This is how we can take care.

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Everything is always.

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You can take care of yourself.

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VRZZZ

316
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No sirs or anything, man,

317
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this feels really hurt.

318
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Thank you.

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— Алло, Марат? — Да.

320
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— Марат, здравствуйте. Хотели узнать, как у вас дела продвигаются? Вы что-нибудь опубликовали?

321
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— Да, я говорю, где-то две-три публикации было.

322
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— Ага. Скажи, а какие-то...

323
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— Маши проблемы намного точнее, что мы не можем опубликовать, потому что у нас будут серьезные проблемы в плане...

324
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— Ну, во многих, либо у кого-либо будут проблемы.

325
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— Ну, например, там я...

326
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— Один человек пришел якобы, якобы пришел в посольство и сказал, что он думает о государственном переводе.

327
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— Ну, я не знаю, такую вещь публиковать.

328
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— А почему вы думаете, что нельзя публиковать про человека, который готовит переворот?

329
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— Ну...

330
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— Не знаю.

331
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— Ну, мы советовались и решили, что мы не задержимся от этой вещи.

332
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— Я начинал с интересными вещами.

333
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— Я обязательствовал, чтобы выставить книги из книги из книги.

334
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— Но проблема была, что нет книги из книги из книги.

335
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— Но книги должны быть книги из книги из книги.

336
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— Ну, два раза в день.

337
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— И я обязательствовал, чтобы эти книги из книги из книги из книги из книги из книги из книги.

338
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— А вы получили какие-то книги из книги из книги из книги?

339
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— Да, мы получили, не знаю, три или четыре, или пять, в два месяца.

340
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Но они все обладали какие-то книги из книги.

341
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— Но эти книги вы не пропустили?

342
00:19:05,460 --> 00:19:06,460
— Нет, но эти книги...

343
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— Да, я хотела пропустили то, что были какие-то проблемы в контенте факторов,

344
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в книгах, потому что я считаю это довольно важным,

345
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чтобы иметь какую-то self-criticism.

346
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Но у нашего маркетинга не было self-criticism,

347
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и они позволили мне писать это,

348
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поэтому я использовала книги о проблемах для ветеранов,

349
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проблемах для пенсионеров,

350
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проблемах для любого,

351
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проблемах для любого,

352
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поэтому это как я становился книг.

353
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— Теперь мы будем visitать книги «Эксперт Казахстан»,

354
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в том же месте, как мой магазин,

355
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и также в том же месте,

356
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у нас есть «Эксперт Казахстан»,

357
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который называется «Эксперт Казахстан».

358
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— Так.

359
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— Здравствуйте, у Вас.

360
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— Зачем Вы это делаете, человеке с добрыми глазами?

361
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— Зачем Вы приехали сюда и хотите опубликовать это?

362
00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:23,460
— Вы скажете, допустим, «Это наша гражданская позиция».

363
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What kind of money do you finance your trip?

364
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You say, you have your own money.

365
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You buy it, buy it, buy it.

366
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It was interesting to go to Iran, when there was a reason for this,

367
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2009 or 2010, I remember.

368
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I went on my own money, and it was interesting.

369
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I didn't believe it.

370
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But to finance it, I was able to buy it and buy it in Kazakhstan.

371
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So, to finance it, to finance it.

372
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So, to finance it, I was able to finance it.

373
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So, to finance it, to finance it, to find out what is happening,

374
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what is happening with all these events, I will finance it other than the other way.

375
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If you show a certain goal, it will be easier to make a conversation.

376
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So, to finance it, it will be easier to make a conversation.

377
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So, what do you think about it?

378
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What do you think about it?

379
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What do you think about it?

380
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What do you think about it?

381
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What do you think about it?

382
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How do you think about it?

383
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Well, we call it a talking about it as advantage to be a behold,

384
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how really evidence do we have to be a witness.

385
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... partly as an example we saw.

386
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What a German, Russian or American reader would think that no means,

387
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they killed mass a human being.

388
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We know that any war is not right.

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When, let's say, one of them is not right,

390
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and they say that they need democracy,

391
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and they say that they need democracy,

392
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and they say that they need democracy.

393
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You said that information is like a tool.

394
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WikiLeaks is a tool.

395
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If a person is not ready to use this instrument,

396
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a person can catch it,

397
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but a person can catch it.

398
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If a person is not ready to get access to the material,

399
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it will be anarchy.

400
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I understand your concept,

401
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that people are not ready to provide information.

402
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I agree.

403
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Yes.

404
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I agree.

405
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Who is it?

406
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Who is it?

407
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Who is it?

408
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Who is it?

409
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Absolutely.

410
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I, for example,

411
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this is not for WikiLeaks,

412
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I'm against democracy.

413
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For me, for example,

414
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Somebody doesn't say,

415
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You have it either.

416
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Um.

417
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If I have 1 word

418
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I have it,

419
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I

420
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have been five years old,

421
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I have been working in an army game,

422
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I am better than a person who has not worked with me.

423
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I believe that.

424
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On the other hand, I know what this is, I have my opinion.

425
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This is a absurd picture of the absurd.

426
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Most of them are here sitting.

427
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All interested in this life, all that is inside, not with me.

428
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And in this sense, this is a very useful thing.

429
00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:11,420
It is useful in the sense that it is, once again, it shows that you are not good people.

430
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You think about all this shit.

431
00:24:14,140 --> 00:24:16,620
One diplomat, the other one, the other one, the other one.

432
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And this is not changing in life.

433
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As we were talking about Aristotle, I have written a book, which I will give you, that nothing changes in Aristotle.

434
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And it is not changing.

435
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:30,060
In this sense, WikiLeaks is a kind of a day-to-day, which is a time-to-day.

436
00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:32,060
Now, the interest to WikiLeaks is already gone.

437
00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:34,220
Because it is not important.

438
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It is the nature.

439
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:38,260
WikiLeaks is the nature of the nature.

440
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These things are not real changes in human life.

441
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:45,220
You know, real changes.

442
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It changes the landscape, the things that are something that inspires you.

443
00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:54,180
We have created a project about how to build a country.

444
00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:55,780
It is called a country.

445
00:24:55,780 --> 00:24:57,060
Well, a little bit about Solzhenitsyn.

446
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Yes, he spoke about it.

447
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We think that this thing, if we do it correctly, it should inspire people to change people's space.

448
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:09,860
The material WikiLeaks doesn't inspire people to change people's space.

449
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It is a life-to-day life.

450
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But we are already here.

451
00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:15,620
And so, what does it feel like?

452
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Well, probably, yes.

453
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Well, I will say so, so not to hate you.

454
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I mean, they don't inspire you.

455
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:23,620
No, you are really good.

456
00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:27,300
But you only spend your time with your time.

457
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You spend your time with your time with your time.

458
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:31,300
You spend your time with your time with your time with your time with your time.

459
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,300
This is not a big deal.

460
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:55,140
I am trying to convince my friend to start working with you.

461
00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:56,980
Because you have a position for me.

462
00:25:56,980 --> 00:25:58,980
Because you have a position for me.

463
00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:00,980
You are a journalist for the past.

464
00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:02,820
I am a journalist for the past.

465
00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:04,820
I am a journalist for the past.

466
00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:10,980
So I know that it can provide economic results.

467
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:12,980
In this case, I am far from now.

468
00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:14,820
I am far from now from politics.

469
00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:18,820
But if we talk about чистой воды of the economy,

470
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then it is, yes.

471
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It is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is.

472
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I am a journalist for the past.

473
00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:26,660
I am a journalist for the past.

474
00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:28,660
I am a journalist for the past.

475
00:26:28,660 --> 00:26:30,660
You have already talked about it?

476
00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:34,660
Because if an expert is going to be involved,

477
00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:38,660
and I understand that we already have a little bit of a deal,

478
00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:41,540
then we would like to talk about the first-time scheme.

479
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:43,540
Do you remember, when you were in the beginning,

480
00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:46,500
that there should not be a lot of partners,

481
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:48,340
and then there should be exclusive.

482
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:50,020
But now there is, right, Kostak.

483
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:52,660
Kostak, well, it is all-таки information-related.

484
00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:55,060
Well, about what I was initially talking about.

485
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:56,260
If you will be an expert,

486
00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:58,740
is it possible to talk about some kind of,

487
00:26:58,740 --> 00:26:59,540
all-таки, all-таки,

488
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all-таки, all-таки,

489
00:27:00,740 --> 00:27:02,100
all-таки, all-таки,

490
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,820
you can stay in Kazakhstan and have a two-year-old?

491
00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:09,940
Well, unfortunately, we have already talked about it with all-таки.

492
00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:25,060
According to this police officer,

493
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:35,900
robi.'"

494
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:36,880
SSSSSSSSSS

495
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Hello, can you help me? There is a parking room.

496
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,880
Alpha cars are on electric them

497
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,720
maybe they are entering their lower Conan for a week-end.

498
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,860
According to this police officer,

499
00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:53,260
oil workers have their strike here

500
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:56,460
And that's strange that no journalist told us of it before.

501
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:25,260
It was just a few years ago.

502
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:27,260
We were all in the army.

503
00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:30,260
There were a lot of people in the autobuses.

504
00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:32,260
There were 5 people in the hospital.

505
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:34,260
Two people in the hospital.

506
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:36,260
Three people in the hospital.

507
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,260
They were back to the hospital.

508
00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:41,260
Now, the police have already prepared themselves.

509
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:43,260
What did they do?

510
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:45,260
We were getting sick.

511
00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:46,260
We were getting sick.

512
00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:48,260
Nobody was going to go to the hospital.

513
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:50,260
We were getting sick.

514
00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:53,260
There was no movement.

515
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:55,260
It was also noticed.

516
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,260
And the television is not visible?

517
00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:58,260
We asked the television.

518
00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:59,260
They immediately said,

519
00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:01,260
that they have to do anything.

520
00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:03,260
They come to the television,

521
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:04,260
they shoot.

522
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:05,260
And the police said,

523
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:06,260
they show them,

524
00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:08,260
but they don't show them.

525
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:10,260
What do they say?

526
00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:11,260
They are sorry?

527
00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:13,260
I'm not sorry.

528
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:15,260
I'm just a person like you.

529
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:16,260
They show them.

530
00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:17,260
If they show them or not,

531
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:18,260
they show them.

532
00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:47,020
They are

533
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:47,660
The

534
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:48,820
theater

535
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:53,180
told

536
00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:57,640
or

537
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:57,700
said

538
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,880
I

539
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,780
don't

540
00:30:02,780 --> 00:30:04,060
say

541
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:04,940
that

542
00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:05,520
the

543
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,060
we

544
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:08,980
think

545
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:09,940
That

546
00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:12,440
would

547
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,440
kill

548
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,440
.

549
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Let's line up here.

550
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,960
I'll put it zag!

551
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Why are they she Deswegen?

552
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,800
It's a mustn't it.

553
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,120
I'm not sure how they might move forward.

554
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,440
I don't know how they might but keep moving.

555
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,040
We're still not sure about Thomas Hale-Wilal anyway.

556
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,480
He doesn't do something special right now.

557
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:00,760
I wonder how a stranger would hitenson川

558
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,320
Ghani- memorable

559
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,560
enf grape- colour

560
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,480
is num driven by Hahaha

561
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,160
is not cynical,

562
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,680
is not the印象 which is

563
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,580
a superstar

564
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,280
pure

565
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:13,940
or just a rite

566
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:15,020
he opens up

567
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:33,640
I got fired because I wrote an article about the conditions of work

568
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,900
that Swedish journalists have when they work in Israel-Palestine.

569
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,000
And the journalists that I interviewed, they were very frank with me

570
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,660
and they told me about the different things that they couldn't report upon,

571
00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:54,540
things that they could, the censorship that they experienced at their workplace.

572
00:31:55,180 --> 00:32:01,680
And when the material was published, two of the six journalists that I had interviewed,

573
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,600
they retracted their statements.

574
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:10,520
So you think they sincerely thought that you misunderstood them

575
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,680
or took things out of the context or something.

576
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:17,240
I think if somebody does an interview with you

577
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,100
and then you're entirely open and frank about it,

578
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:25,240
and then after a while maybe you realize that this is going to be shown on television

579
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,420
and your boss is going to see this and your mother is going to see this

580
00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:32,180
and, you know, you start understanding the consequences.

581
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:35,120
It's not just a conversation between you and your friends.

582
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,460
But anyway, I just thought about it because I think to an extent

583
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:44,060
I made a very big mistake with that article.

584
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:51,780
And the mistake that I did was that I did a very journalistic,

585
00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:56,220
a very typical journalistic work about journalists.

586
00:32:56,220 --> 00:33:01,160
And the standards for doing journalistic work about journalism

587
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,500
has to be a hundred times higher

588
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:08,460
because they will immediately backfire

589
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:10,520
and they will start criticizing what you do

590
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,460
in a completely different way than if it's a regular person.

591
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:19,620
Because a regular person doesn't have the power to say no.

592
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:32,320
Here is a cable marked secret, no foreign.

593
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:35,700
And that means that not even allied states are allowed to read it.

594
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,020
And it's about a meeting between the U.S. ambassador

595
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:39,500
and the Kyrgyz foreign minister.

596
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,020
And it goes like this.

597
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
The ambassador and the Kyrgyz foreign minister

598
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,140
met at the ambassador's residence mid-afternoon.

599
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:49,680
President Bakayev, that's the dictator

600
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,880
that was kicked out in the revolution a few months ago,

601
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:54,420
told him that he was authorized to sign the agreement

602
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:55,640
on the U.S. military base,

603
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,360
but the agreement must be kept secret.

604
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,880
The foreign minister said that he needed time

605
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,580
to work with public opinion in the parliament

606
00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:04,060
before he could roll out the new agreement publicly.

607
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:07,960
He asked for our assistance in preparing the Kyrgyz public opinion,

608
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,780
specifically by placing articles in the local Russian-language press.

609
00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:23,940
Thank you.

610
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,360
Thank you.

611
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:57,340
Let's go, let's go!

612
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:27,340
Let's go!

613
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,360
Let's go!

614
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Because I can't write it properly, especially on the Korean language.

615
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,360
Yes, he did so, but I didn't believe it.

616
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,360
And I always felt it.

617
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:47,360
It was even not easy to look at the people's eyes.

618
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,360
Especially in the last months of his administration.

619
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,360
I was sitting on the 5th floor.

620
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,360
I saw all this blood pressure on my eyes.

621
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,360
I was attacked by the side of the street.

622
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,360
I went through the park.

623
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,360
It's a whole story.

624
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,360
It's a whole story.

625
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:14,360
But my heart was very calm.

626
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,360
I found my freedom.

627
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,360
I found my freedom.

628
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,360
I found my freedom.

629
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,360
I found my freedom.

630
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,360
I found my freedom.

631
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,360
I found my freedom.

632
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,360
I found my freedom.

633
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,360
I found my freedom.

634
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:35,360
The Kyrgyz community, unlike the other, is a different community. It is a living community.

635
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:42,360
The meeting, the piquets are not negative. It is a living community.

636
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,360
It is a living community. It is to strive for something.

637
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:55,360
I think the West has passed through meetings, piquets, etc.

638
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:06,360
I think the Kyrgyz will soon be an accent on this.

639
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,360
It will become a form for other countries of Central Asia.

640
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,360
If it doesn't help us.

641
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,360
Do you believe in this?

642
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,360
I believe.

643
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,360
No, I believe.

644
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:31,360
The thing that exists in many TV projects, it is not in Dushanbe.

645
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,360
It is true, but...

646
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,360
It is not a reward of our collective, it is a reward of all the Kyrgyz community.

647
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,360
It is not a reward of Otunbaeva or Otunbaeva.

648
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,360
The community needs it.

649
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,360
The community wants it.

650
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,360
The community wants it.

651
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:53,360
If you have any questions that you could not publicize.

652
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Is there anything that you could not publicize?

653
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,360
Is there anything that you could not publicize?

654
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,360
If we talk about your audience.

655
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,360
The question about censure or censure?

656
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,360
You have a view Radio Azotek?

657
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,360
Yes.

658
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,360
The question about censure?

659
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,360
Yes.

660
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,360
The question about censure is not.

661
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,360
We are absolutely free.

662
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,360
But we have a statement of Radio Azotek.

663
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:22,360
We must keep all the ethics codes, all the standards of international journalism.

664
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:32,360
In general, if you would like, could you give us an archive about this material related to Kyrgyz?

665
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,360
Would it be interesting to you?

666
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,360
Of course, it would be very interesting.

667
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,360
And you could use it?

668
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,360
Of course.

669
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,360
Of course.

670
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,360
Of course.

671
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,360
We can.

672
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,360
We can.

673
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Yes.

674
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,360
Of course.

675
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,360
I was never ready to answer questions about the Par�ia.

676
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,360
We can.

677
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,360
And, honestly.

678
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,360
We can.

679
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,360
We can.

680
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,360
We can.

681
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,360
We can.

682
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,360
We can.

683
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,360
We can.

684
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,360
We can.

685
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:00,860
We can.

686
00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:01,360
We can.

687
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,360
We can.

688
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,360
And, we can.

689
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,340
You can.

690
00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:05,360
We can.

691
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,360
We can.

692
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,360
We can.

693
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,360
We can.

694
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,360
You can.

695
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,360
We can.

696
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,360
We can.

697
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,360
We can.

698
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,360
And, as we.

699
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:36,360
Hello, Dmitriya, we looked at us and said that we can't write a memorandum,

700
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:47,360
because we have such a principle that we don't want to bring in any of the restrictions.

701
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:53,360
But this memorandum, if you saw, it's not a juridical paper, but it's a gentleman's agreement,

702
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,360
and, secondly, there's a question about your responsibility,

703
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,360
and if you don't follow the rules, then you just...

704
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,360
this partnership is broken, and there's no liability, right?

705
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:14,360
Well, yes, but just technologically we can't write this memorandum.

706
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,360
In any case, all the information will be published.

707
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,360
There's only a question, who will they publish?

708
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,360
It's a question of time and...

709
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,360
There are some delicate moments, скорее всего,

710
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:48,360
but the American government will be published.

711
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:56,360
In general, the Radio of the Freedom is financed by the American government.

712
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Congress.

713
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,360
Congress.

714
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360
Congress.

715
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,360
Congress.

716
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,360
Congress.

717
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Congress.

718
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,860
Congress.

719
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,360
Virginia.

720
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,360
翻譜.

721
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Here's a cable about a meeting that the US Ambassador has with the Governor of Nazar些

722
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,360
Sharif, here in northern Afghanistan.

723
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,360
And this is what the Governor says.

724
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,360
He let loose with a litany of complaints about the Swedish presence in Afghanistan.

725
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,360
He described the relationship to the Swedish military as cold, saying that the only times

726
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,360
that the Swedish commanders visit are when they first arrive in Mazar, and when they

727
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,360
pay their farewell calls.

728
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,360
Nor did he spare criticism for the Swedish media, who he claimed never bothered to talk

729
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,860
to politicians or ordinary people during their visits to the military base, and thus only

730
00:41:44,860 --> 00:41:50,360
heard positive accounts of its work, instead of hearing the views of local residents.

731
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,360
Then the cable goes on, about basically all other Afghani politicians asking that Sweden

732
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,360
leaves Afghanistan.

733
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,360
It kind of leaves you thinking, why is Sweden here in that case?

734
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Allmänna val tror jag är väldigt uppskattat, och människor här vill ha demokrati.

735
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:24,360
Sen är det ju svårt i ett land med så låg utbildningsnivå och så lite erfarenhet av demokrati,

736
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360
att införa en demokrati.

737
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Och vi som sitter här då är ansvariga för den delen som finns här uppe.

738
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:38,360
Plus att vi då har det här specifika då att hitta synergier mellan säkerhetsinsatser

739
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,360
och utvecklingsinsatser och samverkan med militären.

740
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,360
Vad betyder det? Hitta synergier mellan?

741
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:53,360
Ja, det är en bra fråga och det har vi försökt svara på här.

742
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,360
För att det här är ju någonting som regeringen säger åt oss att vi ska göra.

743
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,360
Men de säger inte direkt vad det är.

744
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:08,360
Vad tror ni är syftet överhuvudtaget med i grund och botten den amerikanska närvaro i Afghanistan?

745
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,360
Ja, det vill inte jag sitta här.

746
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:20,360
Känner du att det finns en risk att ert arbete som någonstans ändå är i grundnobelt och viktigt,

747
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:29,360
att den används till att på något sätt köpa lokalbefolkningen stöd till det som du inte vill prata om?

748
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Till den militära insatsen som kanske handlar om något helt annat.

749
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:51,360
Jag ska ge dig den här listan på projekt också faktiskt, för det tycker jag är bra.

750
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,360
Ja, gärna.

751
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,360
Vi har också stöd till institutiv och vårt...

752
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,360
Reporting.

753
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,360
...bildning står det där.

754
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,360
Reporting står det där.

755
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,360
...

756
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,360
...

757
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,360
...

758
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,360
...

759
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,360
...

760
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,360
...

761
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,360
...

762
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,360
...

763
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,360
...

764
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:31,360
...

765
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,360
...

766
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,360
...

767
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,360
...

768
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:55,360
...

769
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:13,360
...

770
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:33,360
...

771
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:51,360
...

772
00:45:51,360 --> 00:46:13,360
...

773
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:33,360
...

774
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,360
...

775
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:55,360
...

776
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:15,360
...

777
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,360
...

778
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:39,360
...

779
00:47:39,360 --> 00:48:03,360
...

780
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:27,360
...

781
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,360
...

782
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:49,360
...

783
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,360
...

784
00:48:51,360 --> 00:49:11,360
...

785
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,360
...

786
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787
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788
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789
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790
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791
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792
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793
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794
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795
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796
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797
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798
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799
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800
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801
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803
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804
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805
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806
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807
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808
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809
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810
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811
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812
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813
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814
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815
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816
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817
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818
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819
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820
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821
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822
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823
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824
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825
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826
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827
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828
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829
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830
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831
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That..

832
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833
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834
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835
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836
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837
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839
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840
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841
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842
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843
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844
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in terms of having forces and you know that they have access to everything to

845
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:01,320
every information to every Afghan and everywhere if I'm sure there are some

846
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:08,980
some information there are some some I can say some reports that what really

847
00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:18,940
u.s. wants and do they really wants to just to just to continue this war in order

848
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:28,360
to have its profit I'm sure if a group of journalists came together we would be

849
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:36,100
able to handle it otherwise with only me I'm sure it's difficult for me that's

850
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:38,780
not easy job

851
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:10,480
here's a cable about the Turkmeni president and Jebediah Bush the son of

852
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,940
president George Bush senior it's called meeting with the president TX oil

853
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:20,920
directors including Jebediah Bush the son of the 41st US president met with the

854
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,060
president of Turkmenistan the purpose of the meeting was to explore for possible

855
00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:29,560
business opportunities in Turkmenistan's oil sector they immediately recognized

856
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,360
the emphasis of form over substance in Turkmenistan they were both surprised and

857
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,140
impressed by the rapid pace of construction in the capital the oil

858
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:41,640
directors worked to build a more personal relationship with the Turkmen

859
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,880
officials in the hope that it will lead to some of the proposed projects the

860
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,400
presidential meeting was featured on the front page of neutral Turkmenistan

861
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,740
newspaper on the following morning

862
00:54:52,740 --> 00:55:04,980
this is the main office of the most important newspaper in the country which is founded

863
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:07,980
voted personally by the president

864
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:08,860
commented

865
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,360
how did you come here on the line Two basis want bisers earlier on the line

866
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,720
By our way, to the median of whom were here

867
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,720
Have they sent me and toned?

868
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,020
Have you made a survey of what the문 is sending you in?

869
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,760
We have a couple of questions

870
00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:44,120
without any representation of our local issues

871
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,900
I am not a news article

872
00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:53,860
I am a Republican

873
00:55:53,860 --> 00:56:02,180
I'll talk with some of the following ones…

874
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:07,580
It will be generations different years ago.

875
00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:18,500
On the second half, witness is engaged with a brand.

876
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:23,340
Because the media was indicates that it was recognized as a brand of leaders.

877
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:33,340
you are in Moscow and you are reading about Turkmenia, it is clear that you know that Turkmenia is a country where,

878
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:40,340
for example, in Spray, there is no freedom of speech, that there is no criticism, but there is only love and love.

879
00:56:40,340 --> 00:56:46,340
You know, I know that you are the first to say.

880
00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:59,340
I remember the president of the scary years in the past, who, when he said to the nation,

881
00:56:59,340 --> 00:57:07,340
say, smile and say, smile and say, smile and say, smile and say, smile and say, smile and say, smile and say, smile and say, smile.

882
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:12,340
Well, good or bad, but every person is looking at the truth, right?

883
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:24,240
Because of your bad words, you are an expert man, I am too surprised because I am not trying to understand the truth.

884
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,200
I didn't figure out what a right. I can think.

885
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,720
I will read in God.

886
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,060
I will read in God's today that you have a picture and look for them like this.

887
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:37,260
Judith, everything here is broken, I will read like this.

888
00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:39,660
You know what, it should be with this responsibility.

889
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:41,660
I'll see you later.

890
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:43,660
Well, let's go.

891
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:45,660
I'm sorry, because I'm a magazine.

892
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:47,660
Yes, I'm a magazine.

893
00:57:47,660 --> 00:57:49,660
Yes, I'm a magazine.

894
00:57:55,660 --> 00:58:02,660
Why on all the front pages are the images of the president's picture?

895
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:04,660
Is it the law?

896
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:07,660
I don't even know what the question is.

897
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:10,660
You know, at us, at journalists,

898
00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:16,660
пока не требуется такого жесткой критики каких-то событий.

899
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:21,660
То есть это критика сверху, которая как руководство критикует недостатки системы?

900
00:58:21,660 --> 00:58:25,660
Нет, не своей системы, а недостатки отдельных работников,

901
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:28,660
недостатки отдельных организаций,

902
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:32,660
которые там не выполняют какие-то основные показатели.

903
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:37,660
А журналист выступает как ретранслятор для людей?

904
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:46,660
Конечно, обидно так слушать, как говорит транслятор, но у нас очень много своих задач.

905
00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:49,660
Я вам просто покажу снимки вот нашей природы.

906
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:53,660
И вот вы сами посмотрите.

907
00:58:53,660 --> 00:59:01,660
Вот эта пустыня, она вот еще так весенней еще, но уже начинает замирать.

908
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:03,660
Вот посмотрите, какая красота.

909
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:04,660
Где вы такие увидите?

910
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:12,660
Необыкновенные чинки, как их мы называем, такие обрывы.

911
00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:21,660
В советское время я был моложе, конечно, мне все это было намного интереснее.

912
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:24,660
Я жил журналистикой.

913
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:30,660
Сейчас я более основательный, я выбираю темы, я за все не хватаюсь.

914
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:37,660
Я сейчас дружу с природой больше, меня это больше интересует.

915
00:59:37,660 --> 00:59:49,660
Вы согласитесь, что это намного приятнее, чем возиться в каком-то, извините, дерьме, кому-то что-то там доказывать.

916
00:59:49,660 --> 00:59:50,660
Я не могу.

917
00:59:50,660 --> 00:59:51,660
Я не могу.

918
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:52,660
Я не могу.

919
00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:53,660
Я не могу.

920
00:59:53,660 --> 00:59:56,660
Я не могу.

921
00:59:56,660 --> 01:00:26,100
So, sorry for not being contactable for a while, we've understood that quite a few

922
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:30,100
people have been engaged in our search and rescue mission.

923
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:38,100
We had the Swedish ambassador in London and we had the foreign ministry in Sweden and the

924
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:46,100
Dimitri's editors and former ambassador to Uzbekistan all engaged.

925
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:54,100
I think we got them just, and Jon Helene as well.

926
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:56,100
Really?

927
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:58,100
Yeah.

928
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:06,100
They were just at the failsafe point where we pulled them back.

929
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:12,100
It took 24 hours and there probably wouldn't have been a big public stink.

930
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:17,100
On the positive side, we can give you a small good news.

931
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:20,100
We were actually deported from Turkmenistan.

932
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,100
Excellent.

933
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:24,100
Good job.

934
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:38,100
I think this for instance, should journalism be lucrative or not, is an issue that is

935
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:39,100
very interesting for us.

936
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:42,100
I'm not sure this is the right place to propose it.

937
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:43,100
Exposing corrupt journalism is good.

938
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:44,100
Exposing corrupt journalism is good.

939
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:45,100
It's not an issue.

940
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:49,100
It's just, these particular people we are working with, who the fuck are they?

941
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:50,100
Yes, they are.

942
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:53,100
Why do they do anything?

943
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,100
Why would they work with these cables?

944
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:56,100
Why would they not work with these cables?

945
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,100
Many of them for money.

946
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:01,100
Yes, and this needs to be said, they do this for the money.

947
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:02,100
But why are you...

948
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,100
Everybody is doing things for money.

949
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:07,100
Why are you judging that?

950
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,100
That's the thing.

951
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:09,100
This is what we have been doing for the past...

952
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:10,100
You said that I was judging it.

953
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:11,100
Okay.

954
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:12,100
I don't mind.

955
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:13,100
You were judging it.

956
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:14,100
No, no, no.

957
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:15,100
He was judging it.

958
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:16,100
This movie is judging that.

959
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,100
It's a fact.

960
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:22,100
I'm just saying, it needs to be, we need to be concerned that we are not going around

961
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:26,100
places saying, we are better than you because I've had this situation and I fucked off

962
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,100
and you're still there.

963
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,100
This is what I don't like.

964
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:29,100
You see?

965
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:30,100
This approach.

966
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:31,100
I don't like this approach.

967
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:32,100
Where have you seen that?

968
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:37,100
Well, I've seen that you go to people, you knock on their doors, you start talking to

969
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:42,100
them and then suddenly you view your WikiLeaks and then when they have a strong reaction

970
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:43,100
you're like...

971
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:45,100
A strong reaction when they say they won't publish the cables?

972
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:46,100
Yeah, because they didn't know in the first place...

973
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,100
What are we going to do?

974
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,100
Force?

975
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:49,100
Force?

976
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:50,100
No, no.

977
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:51,100
You must.

978
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:52,100
No, no, no.

979
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:53,100
You have to call before you have to...

980
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,100
Why?

981
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:55,100
But then you get a totally different opinion.

982
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:58,100
Then you only get the response they want to give as opposed to showing the audience what they

983
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:03,100
will say about these things but do you not think that it is an interesting question

984
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:07,100
to see if media around the world will do this and who will and who won't?

985
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:10,100
Do you really not think that that is an interesting question?

986
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,100
If it is an interesting question...

987
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:13,100
No.

988
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:17,100
So they are too scared to publish US government documents is not an interesting question?

989
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:18,100
No.

990
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:19,100
Or even if they see it.

991
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:20,100
They are scared.

992
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:21,100
There are many other criteria.

993
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:22,100
But Natalia...

994
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:26,100
What criteria is there other than fear?

995
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:27,100
Interest?

996
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:28,100
Newsworthiness?

997
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:29,100
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

998
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:30,100
No.

999
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:31,100
You can write a script.

1000
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:39,100
Every news organisation that has a website as a website developer who can just go like

1001
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:40,100
that.

1002
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,100
And they get free hits in Google.

1003
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:49,100
It is very, very profitable to publish cables because you don't have to write cables.

1004
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:50,100
It is free stories.

1005
01:03:50,100 --> 01:04:03,100
The point as far as I see it is that there are boundaries to free speech in the same way

1006
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:08,100
as there are boundaries to our thoughts and to our language.

1007
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:14,100
And news speak or news speak is basically what we are dealing with.

1008
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:19,100
And these boundaries, they look differently in different countries.

1009
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:21,100
But they always exist in one way or another.

1010
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:27,100
And that is called either censorship or conformism or self-censorship or whatever it may be.

1011
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:33,100
And we have a unique opportunity to actually just show where these boundaries are.

1012
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:38,100
It doesn't necessarily mean that this boundary is better than that boundary or whatever it

1013
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:39,100
may be.

1014
01:04:39,100 --> 01:04:40,100
Yeah.

1015
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,100
Or every boundary that there is.

1016
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:48,100
But the thing is that people usually are unaware of where these boundaries are.

1017
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:52,100
The easiest way of getting a hold of them is by asking a person.

1018
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:57,100
And they will say, well, I cannot write about the king or I cannot write about sex or whatever

1019
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:58,100
it may be.

1020
01:04:58,100 --> 01:04:59,100
But most often they will lie.

1021
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,100
They will not tell you that there are any boundaries.

1022
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:03,100
Most often they will say, well, we have no boundaries whatsoever.

1023
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:04,100
Yes.

1024
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:09,100
And this is what you will get when you interview any journalist in the United Kingdom or in Brazil

1025
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:10,100
or in Sweden or whatever it is.

1026
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:11,100
Yes.

1027
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:12,100
Yes.

1028
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:17,100
So what we have here is the tools in actually catching these boundaries.

1029
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,100
If you push any organization, they will have boundaries.

1030
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:20,100
Any organization.

1031
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:21,100
Yes.

1032
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:22,100
What are they?

1033
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:23,100
What are they?

1034
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,100
All of them including.

1035
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:25,100
What are they?

1036
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:26,100
Is this being done now?

1037
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:27,100
I look in the Guardian.

1038
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:28,100
Are you filming now?

1039
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:29,100
He's filming now.

1040
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:30,100
Can we discuss things before we film?

1041
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:31,100
Well I'll discuss it and you'll see it.

1042
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:32,100
It's all very easy.

1043
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:45,100
Suspicious as it sounds.

1044
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:54,100
With The Guardian, you've got a paper that's been around nearly 200 years.

1045
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:57,100
It's completely solid in its traditions.

1046
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,100
It's internationally engaged.

1047
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:02,100
It's at the forefront of digital innovation.

1048
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:06,100
We're doing something that is almost unique in journalism.

1049
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:08,100
There's no one else that looks like us.

1050
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:15,100
I'm very happy to talk, but I need to establish this.

1051
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:22,100
You're talking to me for a film which is documenting...

1052
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:24,100
We're documenting the story.

1053
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:27,100
We're documenting how we roll out...

1054
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:29,100
So this is...

1055
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:32,100
I just need to understand whether we're talking...

1056
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:37,100
So this is essentially you're interviewing me, if you like.

1057
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:41,100
Yeah, so something that surprised us.

1058
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:44,100
The Guardian removed...

1059
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:52,100
Redacted substantial amounts of US government cables

1060
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:55,100
that we had provided The Guardian.

1061
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:59,100
For example, in Uzbekistan, in Tashkent,

1062
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:03,100
the US government cable said that there was a connection

1063
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:06,100
between the Karamov family and the Mafia.

1064
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:09,100
But the Guardian version of the cable, which was published by The Guardian,

1065
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,100
and the one that was given to us,

1066
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:15,100
protects the identity of the mob boss.

1067
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:17,100
So why did The Guardian do that?

1068
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:19,100
Well, I have to say...

1069
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:22,100
I don't remember the document itself, so I can't...

1070
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:24,100
But you can speak more generally.

1071
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:26,100
I can guess.

1072
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:28,100
I would guess...

1073
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:30,100
that...

1074
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:34,100
the libel courts...

1075
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:36,100
have been...

1076
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:37,100
of London...

1077
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:40,100
have been used extensively by...

1078
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:42,100
people from...

1079
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:45,100
the former Soviet bloc...

1080
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:48,100
to protect their reputation.

1081
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:55,100
There's quite a lot of sort of case law that's built up around that.

1082
01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:57,100
And so...

1083
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:00,100
some of these people are...

1084
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:04,100
are very rich and can spend millions on...

1085
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:05,100
on fighting cases.

1086
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:09,100
Now, also in Kazakhstan, there was cable which...

1087
01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:11,100
said that ENI...

1088
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:15,100
an Italian energy company...

1089
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:18,100
operating in Kazakhstan...

1090
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:21,100
was, according to many...

1091
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,100
sources within Kazakhstan...

1092
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,100
connected to the US Embassy...

1093
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:26,100
was corrupt.

1094
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:27,100
So...

1095
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:29,100
so this is a case of not...

1096
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,100
an allegation against an individual...

1097
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:33,100
but rather an allegation against a company.

1098
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:35,100
So...

1099
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:36,100
in...

1100
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:37,100
in...

1101
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:38,100
in Great Britain...

1102
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,100
what...

1103
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:40,100
what is the...

1104
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:41,100
the situation?

1105
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:42,100
So...

1106
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:43,100
the law...

1107
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:44,100
in...

1108
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:45,100
in Great Britain...

1109
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:46,100
is that a company can sue...

1110
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:47,100
and...

1111
01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:48,100
in fact...

1112
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:49,100
about...

1113
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:50,100
two or three years ago...

1114
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:51,100
we were sued by...

1115
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:52,100
a very large company...

1116
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:53,100
and...

1117
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:54,100
and...

1118
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:55,100
was that...

1119
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:56,100
Tesco...

1120
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:57,100
and that was...

1121
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,100
that was a classic case where...

1122
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:00,100
the burden of proof was on us...

1123
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:02,100
and that was something where...

1124
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:03,100
very rapidly...

1125
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:04,100
we got to...

1126
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:05,100
you know...

1127
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:06,100
easily...

1128
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:07,100
a million pounds...

1129
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:08,100
in...

1130
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:09,100
in...

1131
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:10,100
total cost...

1132
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:11,100
trying to...

1133
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:12,100
defend that...

1134
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:13,100
so...

1135
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:14,100
yes...

1136
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,100
the law in Britain is that...

1137
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:16,100
companies can sue...

1138
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:17,100
We have a...

1139
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:18,100
a partner...

1140
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:19,100
in Bulgaria...

1141
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:20,100
they're extremely interested in a...

1142
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:21,100
in a cable...

1143
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:22,100
um...

1144
01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:24,100
that came out about Bulgaria...

1145
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:25,100
um...

1146
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:26,100
detailing some of the...

1147
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,100
the penetration of the Bulgarian state...

1148
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:29,100
by the Bulgarian mafia...

1149
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:30,100
I...

1150
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:31,100
I...

1151
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:32,100
I...

1152
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:33,100
had to go at about...

1153
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:34,100
about...

1154
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:35,100
five parts...

1155
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:36,100
that's right...

1156
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:37,100
um...

1157
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:38,100
that cable was some...

1158
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:39,100
five thousand...

1159
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:40,100
seven hundred words...

1160
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:41,100
the Guardian...

1161
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:42,100
um...

1162
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:43,100
redacted it down to...

1163
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:44,100
some...

1164
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:45,100
two thousand words...

1165
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:46,100
it in fact removed...

1166
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:47,100
uh...

1167
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:48,100
all the names...

1168
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,100
uh...

1169
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:50,100
of alleged...

1170
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:51,100
Mafia members...

1171
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:53,100
and the names of all the companies...

1172
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:54,100
one name remained...

1173
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:56,100
which was the name of a Russian...

1174
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:57,100
um...

1175
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:58,100
who was the subject of...

1176
01:09:58,100 --> 01:09:59,100
the Guardian's story...

1177
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:02,100
um...

1178
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:03,100
there was an unfortunate...

1179
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:04,100
side effect of this...

1180
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:05,100
which...

1181
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:06,100
has it made...

1182
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:07,100
uh...

1183
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:08,100
this Russian individual...

1184
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:09,100
looked like he...

1185
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:10,100
um...

1186
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,100
was the subject of...

1187
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:12,100
the entire cable...

1188
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:13,100
I...

1189
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:14,100
I mean...

1190
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,100
from memory...

1191
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:16,100
we...

1192
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:17,100
we had a kind of...

1193
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:18,100
rubric at the beginning...

1194
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:19,100
of the series...

1195
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:20,100
where we said...

1196
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:21,100
we tried to explain...

1197
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:22,100
what we were doing...

1198
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,100
we tried to explain...

1199
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,100
what...

1200
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,100
where we had...

1201
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,100
um...

1202
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:27,100
redacted some...

1203
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:28,100
then again...

1204
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:29,100
from memory...

1205
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:30,100
that...

1206
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:31,100
that said...

1207
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:32,100
you know...

1208
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:33,100
there are...

1209
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:34,100
there are difficulties...

1210
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,100
in...

1211
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:36,100
in...

1212
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:37,100
publishing...

1213
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:38,100
all these...

1214
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,100
for...

1215
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:40,100
you know...

1216
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:41,100
for...

1217
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:42,100
among them...

1218
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:43,100
legal considerations...

1219
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:44,100
so...

1220
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:45,100
um...

1221
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:46,100
but...

1222
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:47,100
if...

1223
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:48,100
if...

1224
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:49,100
if...

1225
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:50,100
if...

1226
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,100
if...

1227
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:52,100
if...

1228
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:53,100
and...

1229
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:54,100
and...

1230
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:55,100
some...

1231
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,100
the nature of the material...

1232
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,100
we're cutting out...

1233
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:58,100
that's probably a fair point...

1234
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:59,100
were...

1235
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:00,100
were...

1236
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,100
you approached by...

1237
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,100
the British government...

1238
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:03,100
or the US government...

1239
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:04,100
or...

1240
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:05,100
did you have...

1241
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:06,100
before...

1242
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:07,100
November the 29th...

1243
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:08,100
um...

1244
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:09,100
we...

1245
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:10,100
we...

1246
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:11,100
had...

1247
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:12,100
so...

1248
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,100
it was decided...

1249
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:14,100
that...

1250
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:15,100
um...

1251
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:16,100
the New York Times...

1252
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:17,100
would...

1253
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:18,100
would approach...

1254
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:19,100
government...

1255
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:20,100
separately...

1256
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:21,100
we had...

1257
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:22,100
two...

1258
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,100
sets of communication...

1259
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:24,100
with the American government...

1260
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:25,100
one was now...

1261
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:26,100
the Embassy...

1262
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:27,100
in London...

1263
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:28,100
who came along...

1264
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:29,100
um...

1265
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:30,100
to see basically...

1266
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:31,100
what we would...

1267
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:32,100
tell them...

1268
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,100
which was not very much...

1269
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:34,100
because we...

1270
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:35,100
we'd already...

1271
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,100
had the channel...

1272
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:37,100
through the New York Times...

1273
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:38,100
and the second...

1274
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:39,100
channel...

1275
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:40,100
was a...

1276
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:41,100
phone call set up...

1277
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,100
by the State Department...

1278
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:43,100
about involving...

1279
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:44,100
other agencies...

1280
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:45,100
um...

1281
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:46,100
their primary aim...

1282
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:47,100
was to...

1283
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:48,100
discover...

1284
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,100
um...

1285
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:50,100
what documents...

1286
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:51,100
are we...

1287
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:52,100
going to use?

1288
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:57,100
If you take away...

1289
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:58,100
the army...

1290
01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:59,100
entirely...

1291
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:00,100
from the country...

1292
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:02,100
and wait ten years...

1293
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,100
will there be a change...

1294
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:05,100
in the country?

1295
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:07,100
If there is no change...

1296
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:08,100
then you might be able...

1297
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,100
to say...

1298
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:10,100
well...

1299
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:11,100
the army is actually...

1300
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:12,100
not a powerful institution...

1301
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:13,100
but actually...

1302
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:14,100
we all know...

1303
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,100
that if you take away...

1304
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:16,100
the entire National Defence Force...

1305
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:18,100
and wait long enough...

1306
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:19,100
the country...

1307
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:20,100
will be...

1308
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:21,100
run over...

1309
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,100
um...

1310
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:23,100
by a neighbour...

1311
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,100
We have this...

1312
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:25,100
powerful institution...

1313
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:26,100
powerful...

1314
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:27,100
to set...

1315
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:28,100
agendas...

1316
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:29,100
to set...

1317
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:30,100
values...

1318
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:31,100
to...

1319
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,100
um...

1320
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,100
provide examples...

1321
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:34,100
of behaviour...

1322
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:35,100
that is punished...

1323
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,100
and behaviour...

1324
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:37,100
that is approved...

1325
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:38,100
the institution...

1326
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:39,100
that...

1327
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:40,100
um...

1328
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:41,100
sets all perceptions...

1329
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:42,100
of the world...

1330
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:43,100
other than the ones...

1331
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:45,100
immediately encounter...

1332
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:46,100
and those of...

1333
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:47,100
perhaps your family...

1334
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:48,100
and close friends...

1335
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:50,100
tremendously powerful...

1336
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:52,100
institution...

1337
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:53,100
now has...

1338
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:54,100
competition...

1339
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:55,100
through a different mechanism...

1340
01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:57,100
so there must be...

1341
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:58,100
change...

1342
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:59,100
as a result...

1343
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:00,100
to suggest that there...

1344
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:01,100
is not change...

1345
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:02,100
as a result...

1346
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:03,100
would be to say...

1347
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:04,100
that these...

1348
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:05,100
media institutions...

1349
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:06,100
themselves...

1350
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:07,100
had no...

1351
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:08,100
meaningful power...

1352
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:09,100
saw...

1353
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:10,100
you.

1354
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:11,100
Mmm...

1355
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:12,100
Thank you.

1356
01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:14,100
Whew.

1357
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,100
Bye.

1358
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:18,100
Bye.

1359
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:32,100
What a nice situation...

1360
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:33,100
...that would make sense...

1361
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:47,640
Good afternoon, you probably have seen either in person or on the TV screens the State Department

1362
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,360
briefing that we just finished.

1363
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:56,280
I won't repeat everything I said at the start there, but the most significant response to

1364
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:02,420
what has happened is exactly what Secretary Clinton is doing in Astana, Kazakhstan as

1365
01:14:02,420 --> 01:14:04,240
we speak.

1366
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:12,940
She is there working constructively on cooperation and security in a very important part of the

1367
01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:13,940
world.

1368
01:14:13,940 --> 01:14:23,800
Clearly the unauthorized release of these documents represents risk to the United States and to

1369
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,140
others with whom we collaborate.

1370
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:31,320
This is why we condemn what WikiLeaks has done.

1371
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:41,140
Basically from Kazakhstan through Russia into here, through most of the geography in between.

1372
01:14:41,140 --> 01:14:45,140
You cannot realize I'm going to interview you as much as you interview me.

1373
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:58,960
And we have followed the path from the different countries where the WikiLeaks material has been

1374
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:04,180
published, but only looking from the outside without actually having any particular knowledge

1375
01:15:04,180 --> 01:15:05,180
about it.

1376
01:15:05,180 --> 01:15:16,000
You get the impression that all these various private U.S. institutions have acted from being

1377
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:21,000
pressured in one way or another by the U.S. government in order to block flows of money.

1378
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,820
That's not true.

1379
01:15:22,820 --> 01:15:28,660
That is absolutely not true.

1380
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:36,820
In my time in government, at no time did government tell any private company what to do.

1381
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:43,080
I mean there have been suggestions of that and to be honest there has been no evidence by

1382
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,640
those who have questioned this.

1383
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:50,640
I mean companies protect their own reputation.

1384
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,640
It's not for the government to tell the company what it should or shouldn't do.

1385
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:02,120
They've taken actions because they see it as in their interest to do this or that.

1386
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:07,140
But how would you look at it if the same thing were to happen to, for example, the New York

1387
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:08,140
Times?

1388
01:16:08,140 --> 01:16:14,940
If the New York Times were all of a sudden stopped from getting funds and they would have

1389
01:16:14,940 --> 01:16:16,880
their offices closed down?

1390
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,900
You're painting a hypothetical but I can't follow it.

1391
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:25,160
You can paint a hypothetical where they are in the exact same position as, for example,

1392
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,160
WikiLeaks.

1393
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,120
The New York Times decides to publish everything that they get.

1394
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:34,520
No, but there is a very sharp distinction here.

1395
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:44,100
I mean you have two actors who are in the business of communicating with a broader public.

1396
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:50,940
One actor made clear, the New York Times and other publications, we are going to report

1397
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:51,940
on what we have.

1398
01:16:51,940 --> 01:17:04,880
We want to do it responsibly and we want to do it in a way that is respectful of the danger

1399
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,140
that this might cause to specific individuals.

1400
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:17,220
And the New York Times voluntarily withheld certain documents and certain names because they recognized,

1401
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:23,140
as we did, that the publication of these documents and the publication of these names would put

1402
01:17:23,140 --> 01:17:30,140
real live human beings at risk.

1403
01:17:30,140 --> 01:17:37,140
and have noticed.

1404
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:38,140
The New York Times didn't appear anywhere, putting a name without檢 Laden orders,

1405
01:17:38,140 --> 01:17:42,080
the роз

1406
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,080
and for Pocket

1407
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:50,960
the January fez

1408
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,100
the Gai

1409
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:54,440
or

1410
01:17:54,440 --> 01:18:03,060
¶¶

1411
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:52,840
Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Wall Street!

1412
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:57,560
The New York Post sent a very intrepid reporter down there to sleep overnight.

1413
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,820
You spent Thursday night in the Zuccotti Park?

1414
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:00,620
I did.

1415
01:19:00,860 --> 01:19:02,300
Let's tell about it. What was it like?

1416
01:19:03,020 --> 01:19:09,720
It was a scary place. I mean, Zuccotti Park right now is its own country.

1417
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,520
Listen, you're a tough Queens girl, right?

1418
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:13,060
Uh-huh.

1419
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,920
In Queens, you're not afraid of this stuff.

1420
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:21,540
You went down there. What surprised you the most about what was going on in Zuccotti Park?

1421
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:26,540
What surprised me the most about what's going on there is that it's totally lawless.

1422
01:19:27,180 --> 01:19:29,580
Did you disguise yourself? Did you try to look like a protester?

1423
01:19:29,780 --> 01:19:32,840
Were you going undercover? You weren't advertising that you weren't opposed, right?

1424
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:37,320
When I spoke to people, I told them that I was a Post reporter, so it was no secret.

1425
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,440
And how did they receive it?

1426
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:45,260
Um, well, uh, some people didn't really like that I was a Post reporter, to be honest.

1427
01:19:45,820 --> 01:19:49,260
What's very disturbing here, though, you write from your column, from your article,

1428
01:19:49,420 --> 01:19:52,820
the threat of rape is very real here for men and women.

1429
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:54,020
How'd you sleep that night?

1430
01:19:54,460 --> 01:19:55,220
I didn't.

1431
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,780
Too cold? Or too cold? Or too many, uh, too many characters?

1432
01:20:00,020 --> 01:20:02,000
Yeah, too many characters, I think.

1433
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,660
All right. Candace Giovi from the New York Post, thank you so much.

1434
01:20:04,780 --> 01:20:05,280
Thank you.

1435
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:05,860
Thank you.

1436
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:46,600
All right. So, like I said, once you start the interviews, close the doors and don't come out.

1437
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:57,500
It's, uh, it's General Assembly at, uh, the U.N. and we have, uh, high, uh, blood people coming through.

1438
01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:06,620
That's, you know, the U.N. General Assembly opens this week, so there's a lot of presidents and foreign ministers and stuff,

1439
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:08,240
and some of them troop through here to...

1440
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:08,500
Really?

1441
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:09,080
Some people, yeah.

1442
01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:09,960
Is that customary?

1443
01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:14,980
Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty typical. I mean, when they're in town, some of them invite themselves,

1444
01:21:15,140 --> 01:21:20,120
and some of them we invite to come over and meet with the editorial writers and things.

1445
01:21:20,340 --> 01:21:23,380
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And how does that usually work out?

1446
01:21:24,660 --> 01:21:28,840
Uh, most of them are pretty predictable. Every once in a while, one of them makes news,

1447
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,840
but it's, you know, it's good to just give them a chance to come over and air their views.

1448
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:38,440
Yeah. It kind of makes you into an embassy of, uh...

1449
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:40,120
Or the embassy of the New York Times, right?

1450
01:21:40,220 --> 01:21:40,840
Basically, right?

1451
01:21:41,180 --> 01:21:41,420
Yeah.

1452
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:42,460
Exciting.

1453
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:47,300
You know, you may have discovered this yourself. Foreign news organizations don't always get

1454
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:53,180
the kind of access they would like, uh, to officials in Washington. And if you want to go

1455
01:21:53,180 --> 01:22:02,300
ask the military or the White House to respond to classified information, uh, uh, it, you know,

1456
01:22:02,860 --> 01:22:08,040
um, it can be difficult if you're, if you're a representative of a foreign news organization.

1457
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:13,040
I don't, I mean, I think that's a shame, but it's just, it's a reality. So I think they felt

1458
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:20,900
we would be in a better position to, uh, confront the administration with what we had and solicit

1459
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:24,620
some kind of reaction from them, which, which turned out to be the case.

1460
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:29,980
No. And your counterpart, was that mainly, uh, PJ Crowley or some other people?

1461
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:37,800
You know, this is, the first couple of meetings, I think they went over and had them in

1462
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:43,000
person and there were representatives of the State Department. I assume the intelligence

1463
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,600
agencies were there. I know that the CIA was represented. Uh, uh, I'm not sure. I just don't

1464
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:54,140
remember whether the military was there, um, because at that point it was mostly non-military

1465
01:22:54,140 --> 01:23:02,440
matters. Uh, after that, after the first couple of conversations, they just had a daily phone

1466
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:07,940
call, basically. Um, they did it all. You know, there was none of this. Everybody gathered

1467
01:23:07,940 --> 01:23:12,580
in a room. It was, uh, they would say, we really think you should hold back this particular

1468
01:23:12,580 --> 01:23:19,540
cable, uh, and here's why. Uh, and then we would discuss it and decide whether to withhold

1469
01:23:19,540 --> 01:23:19,920
it or not.

1470
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:27,120
In many of the countries where we have been traveling and, uh, uh, talking to be the editors

1471
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:34,120
or politicians, there has been a concern that, uh, uh, uh, these materials can have a destabilizing

1472
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:39,620
effect in, uh, in a particular country. Did you consider the consequences of publishing

1473
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:40,620
them?

1474
01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:44,820
We considered it, yeah, and we talked about it a lot. I mean, Yemen is a good example

1475
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:50,120
of that because the State Department's argument was this, this, these could be destabilizing.

1476
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:59,120
Um, but I kinda think it's not our job to decide what is destabilizing and, or for that matter,

1477
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,120
to preserve the stability of, of countries elsewhere.

1478
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:09,420
But do you feel that you would have acted differently had the material been of such character that

1479
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:15,120
it would have potentially destabilized your country rather than, because you, you mentioned

1480
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,120
that…

1481
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,120
It's hard for me to imagine what that would be. I mean…

1482
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,120
Well, you had, you had an example a few years ago…

1483
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,120
Yes, exactly.

1484
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,120
…with this wireless, warrantless wiretapping, right?

1485
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,120
Yes.

1486
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:31,120
And, uh, can you explain how you reasoned at that point in time when you didn't publish

1487
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:32,120
the material at first?

1488
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,120
When I did publish them or when I did publish them?

1489
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,120
Well, the first one, when you didn't at first, and then…

1490
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:42,120
When I, when I didn't publish them, uh, uh, the concern wasn't whether it would destabilize

1491
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:47,120
our government. The concern was whether or not it would be of significant value in the

1492
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,120
of significant value to people who want to attack us.

1493
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,120
Um, uh…

1494
01:24:54,120 --> 01:25:02,120
Had it been your choice, and, uh, if you were the sole owners of this material, you would

1495
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,120
not have published them?

1496
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,120
Uh…

1497
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,120
The whole thing? No.

1498
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,120
Um…

1499
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:13,120
You know, first of all, because there are, uh, you know…

1500
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:20,120
In the documents that we posted, uh, we redacted many names of people who would have been put

1501
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,120
in danger.

1502
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,120
Um…

1503
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:28,120
We have not studied all of the documents to know how many more people might be put in danger.

1504
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,120
To just post the whole thing would be, I think, you're responsible.

1505
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,120
Uh…

1506
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,120
Let's say you would have redacted the names of those who, who would have been in danger

1507
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:41,120
and published it all on your site. Would that be something which would be indictable?

1508
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,120
Probably not. Um…

1509
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,120
But we had, we had decided how we were gonna publish, how we were gonna handle the material,

1510
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:54,120
you know, regardless of the legal consequences, just on journalistic grounds.

1511
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,120
Um…

1512
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,120
Um…

1513
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,120
You know, we only wanted to publish…

1514
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,120
We only wanted…

1515
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,120
Do you need the room?

1516
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,120
Can we take it right?

1517
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,120
Yep.

1518
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,120
You…

1519
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:06,120
You need me or the room?

1520
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,120
As long as we're off?

1521
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,120
I was gonna send you a hero grant, but then I heard you were in here and…

1522
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,120
That was fabulous.

1523
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,120
I'm glad you liked it.

1524
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,120
Oh, shit.

1525
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:17,120
Yes.

1526
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,120
It, uh, it made the drudge report, so I'm getting some, some…

1527
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:21,120
I'm getting a lot of traffic.

1528
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,120
I actually beat Krugman on traffic this morning.

1529
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,120
Okay.

1530
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,120
But it's not the kind of traffic you, it's not the kind of traffic you necessarily want,

1531
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,120
because…

1532
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,120
Um…

1533
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,120
A lot of, a lot of people who use the word scumbag…

1534
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,120
It's a, uh, technical term.

1535
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,120
Yeah.

1536
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,120
All right.

1537
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:37,120
Anyway.

1538
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,120
Thank you.

1539
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,120
What was that?

1540
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,120
We're talking about our favorite subject.

1541
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,120
WikiLeaks.

1542
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,120
Oh, is that right?

1543
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:43,120
Hi, how are you?

1544
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,120
This is Arthur Salzberger, who's the publisher.

1545
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:47,120
We work together.

1546
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,120
It's a pleasure.

1547
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,120
Oh, good.

1548
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,120
Wonderful.

1549
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,120
Yep.

1550
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,120
Uh…

1551
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,120
We're, I just…

1552
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:55,120
Well, you have to…

1553
01:26:55,120 --> 01:27:00,120
I've gone back to the writing life, and my first, uh, op-ed column was published this

1554
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:12,120
morning, which is a somewhat, uh, half-hearted defense of Obama against, uh, disenchanted liberals.

1555
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,120
And you know what the Drudge Report is, or not.

1556
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,120
No.

1557
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:22,120
The Drudge Report is a website, uh, very conservative website, uh, that has for…

1558
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:27,120
that basically aggregates headlines from all over the place, but with a kind of right-wing

1559
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,120
commentary attached to them.

1560
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,120
It's got a huge following.

1561
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:38,120
So, if Matt Drudge, who's the guy who runs this website, finds something that you've written,

1562
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:45,120
puts it on his homepage, uh, with a snarky comment, um, it drives traffic amazingly.

1563
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:54,120
I mean, driving traffic is nice, but the traffic that he drives is mostly, you know, uh, you

1564
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,120
know, you scumbag, you idiot, but traffic is traffic.

1565
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:13,960
You've got less thinking, your mother

1566
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,120
or else at the time.

1567
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,120
Ah.

1568
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,120
Hum, hum, hum.

1569
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,120
Hum, hum, hum, hum…

1570
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:55,100
In the 2000s, you sent your 10-year-old son to your father.

1571
01:28:55,100 --> 01:29:25,080
In the 2000s, you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, around March-April 2001.

1572
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:37,080
In the 2000s, you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1573
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:49,080
In the 2000s, you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1574
01:29:49,080 --> 01:30:01,080
You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1575
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:13,080
You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1576
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:25,080
You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1577
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:37,080
You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1578
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:53,080
You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1579
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You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan, and you decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1580
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:25,080
You decided to meet your son in Afghanistan.

1581
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:31,080
You decided to meet his son in Afghanistan.

1582
01:31:31,080 --> 01:32:01,060
Thank you.

1583
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:31,060
Thank you.

1584
01:32:31,080 --> 01:33:01,060
Thank you.

1585
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:31,060
Thank you.

1586
01:33:31,080 --> 01:34:01,060
Thank you.

1587
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:31,060
Thank you.