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It wasn't like

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then, so, yeah, that was, thatyes, thatway, it must be, ooh, it's a very, very, very, you're

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and, it must be, you know . . . .

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it was happening on every camp out it was happening after chapter meetings it

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was happening in schools and churches so you know it's this contrast between

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what everybody wants to believe about the world that we see and now looking in

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this lens back through time we see that well maybe it wasn't as perfect as we

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all thought it was Scout is trustworthy loyal courteous kind obedient helpful

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thrifty brave clean and reverent I'm pretty sure I missed something in there

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but obedient I think that's the one that got a lot of scouts in trouble

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this is probably me in fifth sixth and seventh grades I spent those three years

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being abused by my teacher at Alton when I think back at all of the times that I

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was abused two three four times a week at troop meetings in the car after troop

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meetings in the jug band practice room on the foam mats in the locker room on

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camping trips winter trips summer trips I mean the first time I ever ejaculated

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was at the hands of this Scoutmaster you know slowly became clear to me as I got

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older and a little more mature that something was wrong someone right I

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wanted to run away from it as fast and as hard as I could my hair fell out when I

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was 13 and I've been bald ever since honestly I've never put that together until probably the

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last two or three years which seems like really silly that oh you've been through

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three years of abuse I mean my abuse was over 200 times in that three years so you

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know that the psyche is an amazing thing we can bury thoughts and actions and activities

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that make us uncomfortable as a preservation self-preservation kind of a thing I think

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that's what happened to me and I locked it away never talked to anybody for 50 50 years

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I shut that door I never let that door open ever

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I had no idea how rampant and pervasive and how uncorrected it was you know I thought this was

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something that happened to me and a few guys when we were young until I read an article that had one

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of my classmates that I looked him up on LinkedIn sent him a message he called me like 15 minutes later

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and we spent three hours on the phone and that's how I and then I you know I decided at that point

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that I needed to get involved where's our team rich there he is hey guys Chris how you doing brother

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hey I'm good everyone how y'all doing awesome good good the people who are the victims and who are suing

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the scouts come from all 50 states they don't all have the same lawyer many of their lawyers are

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completely at odds with each other so they speak with one voice through something called the tort

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claimants committee John Humphrey the Dallas businessman and he was elected to be their leader who would

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imagine 28,000 of them would have been penetration I mean it just who would have imagined there was

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431 billion dollars of insurance I mean nobody what this case boils down to is the Boy Scouts negotiating

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with victims trying to arrive at some kind of negotiated settlement how much are we going to pay you and

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and when I keep hearing that the insurance companies won't back the Boy Scouts if they knew about the

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problem those insurance companies that don't want any part of this they're just going to litigate the

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living the fuck out of it yeah that could happen so yeah yeah hey good hey get some rest all right

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everybody appreciate you have a good evening take care

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oh

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hey

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Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light

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I know I can hear myself being flat, and that's what I don't like.

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I've been singing the bass part, because there's four different parts to the song,

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which, when you hear it all together, it makes it sound good.

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Whose broad stripes and bright stars will let us fight.

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Yeah, I am shaking how nervous I am singing in front of people.

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Was Doug your scoutmaster?

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He was everyone's scoutmaster.

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Right after he was arrested, they started asking me stuff about it.

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I've blocked out so much of him, that I cannot really remember what he's like.

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I can barely remember what he looks like, because I blocked him out so much.

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Part of me loves that. I love that I blocked him out.

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A lot that I don't remember what he looks like, I don't remember how he acted.

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I remember his smell, and his smell was disgusting.

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But I don't really remember a lot of other stuff about him.

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You know something is wrong or off, but, you know, he's just not saying anything.

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He keeps everything to himself. He's always been that way.

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Couldn't do anything to help him, but I knew something was wrong.

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He wanted to be a police officer.

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And he was told that going through the scouts and everything would be the best way to do it.

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So that was his goal.

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She heard stories of me telling her about what it was like when I was a scout.

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Yeah, and so I wanted that for Chris.

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I had a blast, and I thrived in it.

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And they let Nathan join in every now and then.

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Nathan was their mascot until he was old enough to join.

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Yeah.

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Chris had been going through such a hard time, and Doug kept trying to, Chris can stay with me.

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We thought that was normal. How are we supposed to know?

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We didn't know.

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We have a child molester telling us what the rules are, which, according to him, there are none.

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In early January, 46-year-old Douglas Young entered a plea of no contest to the sexual abuse and exploitation of 10 young boys.

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Young was the boy's scoutmaster, who he met at a church in Lebanon.

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Chris was still very adamant that that never happened with them.

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The boys, they don't want to talk about it at all.

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He would just go right to his room when he came home.

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I didn't want to believe that it was true.

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I really didn't.

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I didn't.

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Doug is actually at Snake River Penitentiary for the next, now, 20 years.

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You know?

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We got, uh, manipulated.

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We got groomed.

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We got, we got played hard.

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I mean, I'm 18.

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I hate kind of, like, saying, like, oh, I'm a little slow in life because a lot of stuff has happened to me.

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But, I don't know, I have, I've not been doing a lot of good in school, I guess.

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I, uh, okay, but, I'm living, I'm, I'm okay, I guess.

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I don't know.

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At first, he was just a nice guy.

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I was living there.

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And, like, it wasn't even, like, a week into me living there, he started doing stuff.

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It was the night I got there, he started doing stuff.

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The first thing that happened is he stuck his hand down behind, in my pants, like, uh, and the first thing that was going through my head is, what the fuck, crap, I'm sorry.

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What the hell is happening, why, like, what is going on, and is this normal, because, I don't know.

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It's kind of what went through my head.

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Apologies for cussing.

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It just, it, it got much worse from that.

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It progressed, like, really fast.

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I'd wake up with him doing stuff.

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I know he used to take pictures as well.

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I don't know if every Boy Scout member is, like, what Doug was, but, uh, I don't really know how to explain it, I guess.

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When you say what Doug was, what was Doug, what do you mean?

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Pedophile.

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I mean pedophile.

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It's just kind of hard to say, I guess, because it's just, it's just that.

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You guys know nothing wrong, all right?

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Love you guys.

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I didn't hear, this is the first time I've heard any of it.

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This is more, she's opened up.

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Yeah.

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And it's really hard right now.

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Sorry.

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I don't have any more compassion.

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I really don't.

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I can't believe that he did those things to my son.

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And the Boy Scouts, they don't care.

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I mean, they've known for so long that the stuff that happens, and they haven't done a damn thing.

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I am so much more mad than I was before.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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The data is clear.

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The data is unmistakable.

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Nobody in the field disputes now the long-term effects of childhood sexual abuse.

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And they're profound.

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And many of them go through all of these issues, all of these problems, all of these struggles as an adult.

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And they don't really know that there's a connection between that and something that happened to them as a 10- or an 11-year-old child.

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Every time they talk about what happened, it presents the possibility of being re-traumatized.

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It's a delicate process that has to be handled with sensitivity, but they need to know what happened, because the sexual abuse of a child is a crime.

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The boy scouts of America started in 1910 because the United States was rapidly urbanizing.

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There were people who feared that boys were losing touch with the outdoors, that they weren't hardy enough, they weren't robust enough.

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In the early days, Teddy Roosevelt was an enormous supporter of the Boy Scouts.

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He, of course, was essentially the founder of the National Park System.

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He was a great outdoorsman.

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And in 1916, he helped the Boy Scouts of America get a federal congressional charter.

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What the charter did for the Boy Scouts was basically give them a monopoly both on the name and on the uniform.

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So it essentially cleared the playing field of competition.

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And the Boy Scouts, over time, kind of created their own private national park system.

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The Boy Scouts of America made their name synonymous with integrity and with service.

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Today, the Boy Scout Manual is the handbook for democratic youth the world over.

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More than 10 million copies have already been sold.

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The year 1935 marks the 25th birthday celebration of the Boy Scouts of America.

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A vital factor in American life.

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By 1935, the leadership of the Boy Scouts knew that pedophiles were using the scouting program

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to abuse, you know, sometimes dozens of boys in a troop.

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Starting back in the 1920s, they had identified over a thousand men.

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The name of the list was a little bit misleading.

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It might have led people to believe that they were trying to root out communists from their ranks.

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But the issue that they really were trying to wrap their arms around was pedophiles.

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The red flag list was available to a very small, select group of Boy Scout executives.

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And they protected the confidentiality of those files very, very strictly.

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When the Boy Scouts put these names in their file, they refused to make those public.

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And the Boy Scouts intentionally did not share this information with law enforcement.

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The secrecy and the concealment of the problem, I think, went directly to their concern about damage to the reputation.

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Damage to the scouting brand.

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Damage to their image.

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Damage to their image.

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Will there be fossils in here?

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Fossils?

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No.

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I'm a fossil.

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All right, Scouts.

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Signs up.

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Most importantly, do not touch the paintings.

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This is an extremely valuable collection.

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All of the Norman Rockwell Scout paintings that are owned by the Boy Scouts of America are displayed here.

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About 65 of them.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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And this is the first time they've ever been shown in one place.

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Just remember, act like Scouts.

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Now, I'm going to tell you about the Scoutmaster painting.

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This Scoutmaster posed, and these kids in the tent made sure that their faces were turned out.

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Rockwell worked for the Boy Scouts from 1913, when he was 19 years old, until the mid-1970s.

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I think one of the reasons he was so successful is his art is very accessible to people, even to young children.

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The collections on display in Warren, Ohio and small-town America was the backbone of Scouting.

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When I was young, my family lived near Norman Rockwell's studio, and a family friend was his photographer.

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So, I was actually invited to pose for Rockwell.

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He was a kind, nice person, and, you know, I was clean-cut and smiley and sort of the all-American kind of boy that Rockwell used in so many of his Scout paintings.

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In a lot of ways, going to see these paintings feels like a return to my experience, to my youth.

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Okay, any other questions?

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Isn't that Norman Rockwell?

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Oh, I'm sorry. I should have told you that.

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That is Norman Rockwell in his Scout uniform, painting himself a self-portrait into the painting.

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Thank you for pointing it out.

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He was a great storyteller, but instead of making movies, he told his story in a single frame.

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Rockwell, early on, became known for his illustrations of boys, especially boys getting in trouble.

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They would go swimming in places where they weren't supposed to swim.

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They would play hooky from school.

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They would get in trouble.

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But when Rockwell worked for the Scouts, the boys no longer got in trouble.

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His Scouts are very obedient.

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They never misbehave.

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You never see Scouts without their shoes.

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They're always following the rules.

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Basically, the Scouts micromanaged him.

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They kept a very close watch on what he was painting, and they rejected many of his subjects.

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In his one painting, for instance, Rockwell wanted to paint raindrops on the Scouts' uniform.

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And the Scouts said, we can't have a wet uniform.

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In the Scouts paintings, Rockwell created a very sanitized version of Boyhood, in which Boyhood is robbed of its rough edges and presented as a very neat and patriotic package.

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I strongly believe in Scouting.

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I think it's a source of great strength to us.

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I'm very appreciative to all the adults who give leadership.

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I would recommend it to the sons and daughters of every American family as an important ingredient of our national strength.

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The first president who actually was a Scout was John F. Kennedy.

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He was young, he was handsome, he was bold, he was a war hero.

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So he was really a marketing coup for the Boy Scouts.

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On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country, and to obey the Scout law.

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I'm John Glenn.

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Most of the time, I'm learning more about how to explore outer space.

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In my spare time, though, I explore the outdoors with the Boy Scouts.

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The Boy Scouts really had their greatest decade in the 60s.

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They had become part of the fabric of America.

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Scouts give leadership to the whole nation to lead every place he goes a little bit better for the people that follow him.

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That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

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Neil Armstrong was an Eagle Scout, and he actually called out from space to the National Jamboree.

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I'd like to say hello to all my fellow Scouts and Scatters at Paragot State Park in Idaho, having the National Jamboree.

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I began to see that this was an archetypal story, not just about the Boy Scouts, but it was really a story about America.

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The Boy Scouts were just this extraordinary institution that had run up on the rocks, and I really wanted to know why.

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How'd they wrecked a ship that seemed like it was sailing in calm waters for most of its history, and all of a sudden, it's got a big hole beneath the waterline.

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How'd that happen?

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Tonight, our continued report is on a story that came out of the Boy Scouts of America headquarters earlier this week.

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Of all things, it involved cheating by scout officials.

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Scout membership figures were padded to qualify for additional federal funds.

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Until the scandal broke, it was not widely known that the Boy Scouts were receiving federal aid.

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And certainly, the idea of cheating was totally inconsistent with the Boy Scout image.

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So, Fred Briggs looked further into the situation.

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The membership rolls show that Chicago still has the largest single scout council in the country.

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However, critics say those membership rolls tend to lie once in a while, especially when it comes to scout troops in the inner city.

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This is one example, a housing project on the south side.

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In 1971, the books listed 800 boys as members of a scout troop here.

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But when meetings were held, as few as 30 showed up.

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Inner city scout troops are subsidized by federal poverty funds.

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The Chicago Council now admits registration figures were inflated by as much as 40%.

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We constantly are auditing our membership, trying to watch for a membership that is not active, where the leader may have moved out of the community and so on.

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The Chicago Council admitted this week that five staff members have been fired for padding registrations.

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Similar crackdowns occurred in Tulsa, Detroit, and Fort Worth.

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In 1968, the scouts launched a massive registration drive to sign up 2 million new members by 1976.

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That may have been the cause of the padding, sheer pressure for numbers.

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Vice President Gerald Ford, who was in Chicago yesterday for a scout fundraiser, said,

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The misdeeds of a few can't affect the overall success of scouting.

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Officials of the scouts are cleaning house now, hoping to avoid any future misdeeds.

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Boys are the lifeblood of the Boy Scouts of America.

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The scouts depend on dues from those boys and from volunteer leaders.

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That's where their revenue comes from.

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They sell them uniforms, they sell them handbooks, they send them to summer camp.

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That all brings in money.

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If your numbers are declining and your revenue is dependent on recruiting new members, you've got a problem.

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Developing my body and my athleticism, it's another way of protecting myself.

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To make sure that no one is going to harm me.

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I get to own that.

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When I was in elementary school, scouting was, you know, they recruited.

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I was involved in scouting from 11 until 19, 20.

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And during the summers, I went to Boy Scout camp.

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Some people get homesick and they want to leave camp.

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I get campsick.

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I want to be in camp every summer.

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A Boy Scout is trustworthy.

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And so I trusted everyone.

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I trusted people who would do the right thing.

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And I trusted that people would know that something was wrong.

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And I trusted people that they would intervene.

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Why didn't someone take up from me?

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They knew Lonnie Barnes.

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Who was Lonnie Barnes?

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Lonnie Barnes was the scout leader who, yeah, I trusted, right?

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Who was the assistant scout master of the troop I participated in.

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Lonnie Barnes was never at camp.

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So camp was a safe place for me.

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But one year, he was hired at camp.

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And I knew what I knew, what he was doing to me.

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And I knew I could see the signs, what he was doing to other boys.

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And he didn't last at camp more than a week.

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And he got fired.

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And that was, like, one of the best days of my life.

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He was rushed out of camp.

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They said they found a liquor bottle outside of his tent.

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And I'm thinking to myself, hell no.

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Hell no.

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Lonnie Barnes went and touched one of those boys.

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And they decided we can just get this out of here, end of story, end of case.

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He left camp, but he was still in scouting for the rest of my whole scouting career.

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It did not affect his participation at all in the program.

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And he was the one who told me that if I told anyone, then he would kill me.

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But there's one person I trusted that I could tell.

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And I got the courage.

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And I rehearsed it.

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I rehearsed it.

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Mom, Mr. Barnes is not a good guy.

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And he's doing these bad things to me.

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And my mom woke up that morning, and she's stumbling around.

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She had a stroke.

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My mom died.

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And the person that I got the courage to tell, I couldn't tell.

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I went back into deeper silence and promised to tell no one.

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I'm 40 years old before I tell someone.

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I had all this anger built up in my life.

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I needed to do something with it.

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And so I went down to New Rochelle Police Station.

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And when the detective contacted me, and he says,

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Lonnie Barnes has confessed to abusing you.

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I must have read the email a hundred times because I no longer had to prove to people

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that I was abused.

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I was free.

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But do we just stop with the truth, or do we move to our restoration, restoring justice?

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With the settlement and everything, it's the full circle.

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Eternal God, in whose mercy is endless, and the treasury of compassion inexhaustible,

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look kindly upon us and increase your mercy in us,

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that in difficult moments we might not despair nor become despondent,

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but with great confidence submit ourselves to your holy will,

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which is love and mercy itself.

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We bind all these victims to this chaplet.

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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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And you can still hear the noise.

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I grew up in Birkeland.

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And my father died when I was two.

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I was a tough kid.

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At seven or eight years old, I started smoking.

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I started hanging out on the street.

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I could get on a subway and go into the city.

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My mother, she didn't know where I was.

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So she took a Boy Scout leader to the side and said,

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my son doesn't have a father.

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If you could just pay a little attention to him.

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I buried my face in a pillow and thought, please God, let this be over.

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Let this be over.

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Why didn't I say something?

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Why didn't I go to somebody?

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Why didn't I tell my mother?

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Why didn't I, I don't know, go to the police, go to the Boy Scouts?

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Fear, embarrassment, shame.

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I allowed myself to be charmed by this young man.

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And as a friend, as a mentor, as a big brother.

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And gave him reason to think that he could get away with it, I guess.

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Because again, it wasn't violent.

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He didn't, he didn't threaten to kill me.

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He was just telling me, be quiet, be quiet.

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I didn't do what I should have done as a normal human being.

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What is the problem here?

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The problem is the model.

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If you have children that are going into the wilderness,

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and you have very few adults,

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it's really easy to abuse them.

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The opportunities for pedophiles in the Boy Scout model are rampant.

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And so, no one should be surprised.

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And what they needed to start thinking about decades ago

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was what to do about the model.

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So this is the sign at the entrance of Camp Merriweather,

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Cascade Pacific Council's summer camp for boys.

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It's kind of the crown jewel of the Cascade Pacific Council's properties.

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An 800-acre Boy Scout camp, founded in 1926.

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It runs along two miles of beautiful, unobstructed beach.

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The Scouts and the Scout program, on its face and on paper,

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is really what every boy, you know, wants.

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It's adventure.

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It's being out in the woods.

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It's self-reliance.

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It's learning skills.

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But often you're in a remote place where there's no one you can go to for help.

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And so, the Boy Scouts program really had built into it

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this very attractive system for pedophiles to get close to boys.

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The Cascade Pacific Council has had numerous cases brought against them

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for sexual abuse of Scouts.

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And a number of those cases happened at Camp Merriweather itself.

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There's no question that the core activities of Scouting involved secluding boys

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and isolating them away from their parents,

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away from the adults that would otherwise protect them,

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and using that opportunity to sexually abuse them.

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The Boy Scouts had to know that that pattern.

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We know they knew about that pattern

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because they had created secret internal files

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documenting everything that was known

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about these pedophile Scout leaders.

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If you're going to predict what somebody's likely to do,

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you can simply look at what they've done previously

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and the pattern, it will emerge.

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I began working with BSA 12 or 13 years ago.

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They said, oh, we have some files.

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They were referred to as a perversion files.

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But I'm used to studying forms of violent crime

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where I have police records and FBI interviews

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and crime scene photos.

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What arrived was somewhat disorganized materials.

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So I began picking them out at random and looking through them.

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And they had started being collected in about 1922.

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The smallest file is one page long.

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The longest file is 917 pages long.

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It was not sophisticated scientific information

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that you would generate or collect to do research.

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A lot of it was like, how tall is the person?

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What color is their eyes?

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What do they like to do?

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What is their job?

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Do they have a wife and children?

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Because the purpose of the file

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was not to accomplish any kind of research goal,

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but really be able to identify the person

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if they tried to get back into the Boy Scouts.

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Do you remember the names of any of the kids

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that were involved in Troop 719

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when you were assistant scoutmaster?

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Mine just went blank.

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I could probably name out all the ones that were there.

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The names that you gave me, I don't know.

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Let me give you some other names

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and see if these ring any bells.

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My mind just went blank.

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It just shut down.

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Kerry Lewis?

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Yes, I remember the name.

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I've deposed lots of pedophiles

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who were scoutmasters, who abused scouts,

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who have admitted it and said,

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that's why I joined.

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I joined the troop

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because I wanted to have sex with boys.

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And that's where the boys were.

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In a Portland, Oregon courtroom,

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the witness, identified as Jack Doe,

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number four,

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testifies uneasily

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about being an 11-year-old Boy Scout

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alone with his troop leader in 1983.

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He grabbed my hand

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and slid it up his leg

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into his shorts.

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Kerry Lewis was sexually abused

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by his scoutmaster,

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Timur Dykes.

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I think there were 20 or 21 members

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of that troop.

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18 of them were sexually abused

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by Timur Dykes.

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Let me give you some other names

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and tell me the kids you remember.

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Yes.

481
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Yes.

482
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:45,800
Yes.

483
00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:47,220
Yes.

484
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:47,820
Yes.

485
00:51:47,820 --> 00:52:00,560
Over the years,

486
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,780
there have been a number of lawsuits

487
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:04,180
against the scouts

488
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:06,300
alleging sexual abuse.

489
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,200
In the late 1980s,

490
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,540
the Boy Scouts were sued regularly.

491
00:52:12,540 --> 00:52:15,240
But the Boy Scouts never went to trial.

492
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:17,620
They always settled.

493
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,300
But in this case,

494
00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:21,760
they decided to go to trial.

495
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,400
The lawyers for Kerry Lewis said,

496
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,700
hey, we hear there are these files.

497
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:30,100
We want them to be brought into evidence.

498
00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:33,440
There was some information

499
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,400
in certain dark corners

500
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,940
that, oh, these files may exist.

501
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,280
But almost no one

502
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,020
had ever been able

503
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:42,940
to obtain the files in litigation.

504
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:44,660
And no one had ever been able

505
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:45,520
to make them public.

506
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,120
We knew we had

507
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,520
a huge battle on our hands.

508
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,880
The scouts had almost never

509
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,860
been willing to turn anything over.

510
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,460
The judge in this case

511
00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:00,320
was a very experienced judge.

512
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,300
They threw every argument

513
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:04,140
they could think of

514
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:04,980
at this judge,

515
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:06,180
and he wasn't really

516
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:07,480
counted by them.

517
00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:09,720
Of course, the defense

518
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,480
objected to the admission

519
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,880
of these files and evidence.

520
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,320
Boy Scouts knew they had a problem.

521
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,300
The judge ordered the Boy Scouts

522
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,020
to turn over to us

523
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:24,360
20 years of IV files,

524
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,860
perversion files.

525
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,560
Less than two weeks

526
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,500
before we were supposed

527
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:37,240
to start trial,

528
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,600
they finally produced the files.

529
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,000
We got 1,200 IV files,

530
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,100
the ineligible volunteer files.

531
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:46,100
Not all of the IV files

532
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,360
that the Boy Scouts had,

533
00:53:47,780 --> 00:53:49,540
but the ones that the judge

534
00:53:49,540 --> 00:53:50,700
deemed relevant.

535
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:54,040
When I realized that he was

536
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,000
going to let in

537
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,440
20 years' worth of files,

538
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,080
I was pretty sure

539
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,020
it came over for the Boy Scouts.

540
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:03,500
There's not a lot of moments in life

541
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:05,660
where you know that you're doing

542
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:07,460
something that very few people

543
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:08,480
have ever done before,

544
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:10,660
but we did have that sense

545
00:54:10,660 --> 00:54:12,300
when the files got delivered.

546
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:14,100
And when you started

547
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:15,980
to go through these records,

548
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:18,040
you felt the weight

549
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,300
of what we were doing.

550
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:24,660
We were in our jury room,

551
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:25,580
and they brought a bunch

552
00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:28,280
of those cardboard file boxes,

553
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:30,920
and then the bailiff leaves,

554
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,280
and it's just the jurors.

555
00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:34,720
And we started just opening them

556
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,200
and thumbing through them.

557
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,440
We all sat,

558
00:54:39,980 --> 00:54:41,160
and there was a lot of

559
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,960
sitting in silence and reading

560
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,680
for a long time,

561
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,220
and then we started saying,

562
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,400
oh, my God.

563
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:51,200
I was trying to just be

564
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,160
a good juror

565
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,600
and take in the information

566
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,660
and not get too carried away

567
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:56,300
emotionally,

568
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:58,320
and then it just honestly

569
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,460
became horrifying

570
00:54:59,460 --> 00:55:02,760
because each one of these names

571
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,700
was a real person,

572
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:05,300
was a real child,

573
00:55:05,780 --> 00:55:07,100
and there was boxed

574
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:08,660
after boxed after box.

575
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:11,720
There's just a lot of silence

576
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:12,620
in the jury room

577
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:14,280
and reverence for

578
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,520
what those documents held

579
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,240
and the actual acts

580
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,040
that they represented.

581
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,400
I read lots,

582
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,660
and I read lots in detail,

583
00:55:26,220 --> 00:55:28,460
and knowing that there

584
00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:29,700
were thousands more,

585
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,780
it was really,

586
00:55:32,380 --> 00:55:33,260
yeah,

587
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,040
disgusting.

588
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,920
One of the documents

589
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,440
we found in a number of files

590
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,540
was a memo cover page,

591
00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:48,640
and the graphic on that memo

592
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,580
was a little cartoon picture

593
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:51,560
of a firefighter

594
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:53,960
putting out a fire,

595
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,260
and that told us

596
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:58,480
everything we needed to know

597
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,000
about the way that they viewed

598
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,980
how reports of child sexual abuse

599
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:02,660
should be dealt with.

600
00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:03,840
They viewed this as

601
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,400
a fire to be put out,

602
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,040
a secret to be kept.

603
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,820
It's right there in the files.

604
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:14,660
They wouldn't tell the police.

605
00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:15,840
They didn't tell the police.

606
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:16,260
I mean,

607
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:17,520
it wasn't just a practice.

608
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:18,620
It was a policy.

609
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,060
It was a written policy.

610
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:22,540
Don't tell the police.

611
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,160
Don't tell the school

612
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,040
that the Scoutmaster works at.

613
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:28,720
Don't tell anybody.

614
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,320
They were as much intent

615
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,620
on protecting

616
00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:34,440
the confidentiality

617
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,920
of the perpetrator

618
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,780
as they were

619
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:39,780
of any of the victims.

620
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,100
The Boy Scouts created

621
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:44,660
a program internally

622
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:45,880
that they called probation.

623
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,940
Probation was not

624
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:51,180
ordered by the court

625
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:52,220
or the police.

626
00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:52,580
In fact,

627
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:53,320
the police or the courts

628
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:53,980
were to wear

629
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:54,840
when the Boy Scouts

630
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,880
decided to put somebody

631
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:56,800
on probation.

632
00:56:57,460 --> 00:56:58,140
But essentially,

633
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,100
probation was

634
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:00,200
they knew

635
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,080
about a particular pedophile.

636
00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:02,900
They knew that

637
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:03,840
that person had been

638
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,840
alleged to have abused kids.

639
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:07,460
And they decided

640
00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:09,420
instead of kicking

641
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:10,320
the person out

642
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,980
and instead of warning anybody,

643
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,420
they would give them

644
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:14,440
a second chance.

645
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:16,700
What we saw was

646
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:18,700
troop leaders being found

647
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:20,840
to have abused children

648
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,920
at one troop.

649
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,340
And then, you know,

650
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:24,580
here they are popping up

651
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:25,820
a year later

652
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:26,560
at another troop

653
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:27,440
in a different state

654
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,460
and again and again.

655
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:31,960
So it was just

656
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,040
really clear

657
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,200
physical evidence

658
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,720
that they had known

659
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,100
for decades and decades

660
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,000
that these men

661
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,880
were assaulting

662
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,560
these boys.

663
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:45,460
On this one level,

664
00:57:45,540 --> 00:57:46,660
they did a phenomenal job

665
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:48,080
of tracking them

666
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,720
and then,

667
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:52,800
on the other hand,

668
00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:54,260
completely dropped the ball

669
00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:54,880
and making sure

670
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,580
that they couldn't

671
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:57,200
and wouldn't abuse

672
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:57,820
other children

673
00:57:57,820 --> 00:57:58,500
in the program.

674
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,100
What the hell else

675
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:01,260
would those files be for?

676
00:58:07,020 --> 00:58:08,340
These pedophiles

677
00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:09,440
knew the soft spots,

678
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:10,220
the weak points,

679
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:11,480
and the Boy Scouts

680
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,520
chose not to do anything

681
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,060
about it.

682
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:16,680
And they chose to allow

683
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,380
more kids to come in

684
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:19,960
unknowingly into a program

685
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,680
that was dangerous.

686
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,680
At the Kerry Lewis trial,

687
00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:29,540
I think it's the first time

688
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:31,580
that a jury was able to see

689
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:32,700
with their own eyes

690
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:34,880
what's in the IV files.

691
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,380
and the jury verdict

692
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:40,160
spoke volumes.

693
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:41,960
Read the jury

694
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,740
and find our verdict

695
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:43,280
as follows.

696
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,780
The SS punitive damages

697
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:45,600
against the Boy Scouts

698
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:46,240
in America,

699
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:46,940
an amount,

700
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,540
$18.5 million.

701
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,080
And it's signed today,

702
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:51,840
dated today,

703
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,480
by Mr. Fisher.

704
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:53,860
Mr. Fisher was...

705
00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:55,020
Almost nothing that happens

706
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:55,660
in the courtroom

707
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:57,140
in Oregon is confidential.

708
00:58:57,900 --> 00:58:58,680
If you want

709
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,360
to maintain confidences,

710
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,020
you settle the case.

711
00:59:02,020 --> 00:59:06,220
It was a huge mistake

712
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:06,960
by the Scouts

713
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:07,820
to go to trial

714
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:10,500
because after the verdict,

715
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,120
the L.A. Times,

716
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,020
the Oregonian,

717
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,700
and the Associated Press,

718
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,320
who had all petitioned

719
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,140
to make the documents public,

720
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:20,580
began putting these files

721
00:59:20,580 --> 00:59:21,720
up on their websites.

722
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,700
When you can hold

723
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,360
the document that shows

724
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,940
that the Scoutmaster

725
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:28,600
that abused me

726
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,020
wasn't just a bad apple,

727
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,400
this wasn't a one-off,

728
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,580
this wasn't unavoidable.

729
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:35,840
This was a pattern

730
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,580
and a systemic problem,

731
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:39,820
and they documented

732
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:42,680
the problem file after file,

733
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:43,740
week after week,

734
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,100
year after year,

735
00:59:45,260 --> 00:59:45,980
for decades.

736
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,120
We could see people

737
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,540
living normal lives.

738
00:59:53,860 --> 00:59:55,260
And this was not

739
00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:56,800
a static location,

740
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:58,120
but it was a porous,

741
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,660
interactive reality.

742
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,700
I realized that this

743
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:05,260
was going to be

744
01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:06,560
the largest database

745
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,940
of community-dwelling

746
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:10,260
child molesters.

747
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:14,100
For victims to be able

748
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,360
to go on their own

749
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,680
and look at the documents

750
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,420
that were obtained

751
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:18,020
and released

752
01:00:18,020 --> 01:00:19,180
in the Carrie Lewis case,

753
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:23,700
it was a tipping point.

754
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:26,680
Boy Scout president

755
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,780
Wayne Perry apologized

756
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:28,440
to the victims

757
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,560
but made no apologies

758
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,020
for keeping the files.

759
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,580
Our ineligible volunteer file

760
01:00:33,580 --> 01:00:34,240
is a very,

761
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,340
is a big element

762
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:36,480
of our keeping track

763
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:37,060
and making sure

764
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:37,860
that nobody gets in.

765
01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:39,040
People should be happy

766
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:39,860
we have these files.

767
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,480
You want us

768
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,320
to keep these files.

769
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:55,860
It was pretty easy to find.

770
01:00:57,060 --> 01:00:58,880
I had to go through the names

771
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,560
and there it was

772
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,620
Edward Rodriguez,

773
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,980
Edward A. Rodriguez,

774
01:01:03,340 --> 01:01:04,360
Brooklyn, New York.

775
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:05,640
And I said,

776
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:06,860
I think this is the guy.

777
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:09,980
Okay.

778
01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:12,460
Okay.

779
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,180
This is a letter

780
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:17,960
from July 24th, 1964.

781
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:20,220
Dear Howard,

782
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:22,300
Reverend Blank

783
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,420
of the Holy Trinity Episcopal Church

784
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:26,700
has requested

785
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:27,540
that we place

786
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:28,560
Mr. Rodriguez

787
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,980
on the confidential file.

788
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:34,020
Through personal admission,

789
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,560
Mr. Rodriguez

790
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,300
has had immoral relations

791
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:40,000
with at least three boys

792
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,540
in Troop 739.

793
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,140
These incidents occurred

794
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:45,300
more than once

795
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,020
and in the case

796
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:49,060
of the blank boy

797
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:51,420
over a long period of time.

798
01:01:52,540 --> 01:01:53,640
There does not seem

799
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:54,600
to be any doubt

800
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:55,520
as to the validity

801
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,600
of these charges.

802
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,080
This is July 28th, 1964.

803
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:06,180
Dear Mr. Wallace,

804
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,620
this letter is to inform you

805
01:02:08,620 --> 01:02:09,400
that the committee

806
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,600
of Troop 739 Manhattan

807
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,860
has asked for

808
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:14,680
and received

809
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,540
the resignation

810
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:17,800
of its scoutmaster,

811
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:19,280
Edward A. Rodriguez.

812
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,720
It was requested

813
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:22,760
as a safeguard

814
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,020
for the boys

815
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:24,860
in our troop

816
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:25,960
on the grounds

817
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,780
of moral turpitude.

818
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,940
He didn't give any reason

819
01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:32,140
why he had chosen

820
01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:34,580
those boys in particular,

821
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:37,080
but as a matter of fact,

822
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:37,880
these boys

823
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,080
are small in stature.

824
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:43,820
Ed Rodriguez

825
01:02:43,820 --> 01:02:45,100
also indicated

826
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:46,780
that this is the first time

827
01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:47,820
that this had happened,

828
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:50,340
but those present

829
01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:51,440
were of the opinion

830
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,680
that his actions

831
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,140
definitely were repeated

832
01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:56,740
previously with others.

833
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:00,640
Before ending, though,

834
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,020
he was requested

835
01:03:02,020 --> 01:03:03,380
not to divulge

836
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:04,340
any information

837
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:05,740
connected with the affair,

838
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,780
and we have even gone

839
01:03:07,780 --> 01:03:08,620
so far

840
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:10,260
as to concoct

841
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:10,820
a reason

842
01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:11,400
why

843
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,880
Ed Rodriguez

844
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,320
has left

845
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:15,060
the troop.

846
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:20,920
Okay?

847
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:24,400
Well, come on,

848
01:03:24,420 --> 01:03:25,200
it's a bunch of bullshit.

849
01:03:26,020 --> 01:03:27,120
You're admitting to me

850
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,360
that you concocted a story

851
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,260
for him to resign,

852
01:03:29,780 --> 01:03:30,500
and this is some

853
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:31,320
letting him off

854
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,100
the fucking hook?

855
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,640
Excuse my language.

856
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,160
But I definitely

857
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,700
don't mind it being taped.

858
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:39,680
Sorry,

859
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,160
this is just bullshit.

860
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,700
It's just reading bullshit.

861
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,200
And for someone

862
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,160
to actually sign

863
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,120
their name to it,

864
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:47,360
what an asshole

865
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,100
this person is.

866
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,360
Let's put this guy in jail.

867
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,220
Forget about

868
01:03:51,220 --> 01:03:51,880
Eddie Rodriguez.

869
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:55,060
They're all bad guys.

870
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:08,060
You're such a good guy.

871
01:04:09,020 --> 01:04:09,600
Come here.

872
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,200
When I first was thinking

873
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,140
about joining the Boy Scouts,

874
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,220
I went to a pastor

875
01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:18,900
friend of mine

876
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:19,940
in Dallas

877
01:04:19,940 --> 01:04:20,680
for some counsel.

878
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:21,700
He said,

879
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,280
what's your biggest fear

880
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:22,840
about joining us?

881
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:23,280
I said, honestly,

882
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:24,580
if I join the Boy Scouts,

883
01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:25,740
they can't compensate me

884
01:04:25,740 --> 01:04:26,200
the same way

885
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:26,840
I'm being compensated.

886
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:27,780
That was my belief.

887
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:28,340
He goes,

888
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:29,360
what are you talking about?

889
01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:30,440
The guy across the street

890
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,160
works for the Boy Scouts.

891
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,100
He's got a limo

892
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:33,180
that picks him up every week.

893
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:33,640
And he said,

894
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:34,780
and that guy drives

895
01:04:34,780 --> 01:04:35,580
a company car down

896
01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:36,780
to get his trash each day.

897
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:39,720
Hi.

898
01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:42,720
My brother's an Eagle Scout.

899
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:44,980
So earning that rank

900
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:46,120
was not ever on my radar.

901
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:47,860
I went into scouting

902
01:04:47,860 --> 01:04:48,620
because I love to camp

903
01:04:48,620 --> 01:04:49,860
and I love to hike

904
01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:51,260
and I love to do adventures

905
01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:52,580
and have a great time

906
01:04:52,580 --> 01:04:53,260
with other people.

907
01:04:54,020 --> 01:04:54,920
And that's what I did.

908
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,420
Oh, you'll love this.

909
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:01,680
These are my saddles.

910
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,300
All my cowboy gear

911
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:04,500
is really done

912
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:05,520
and honored to

913
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,360
my love for scouting.

914
01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:08,500
You'll see that my colors

915
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:10,580
are typically olive,

916
01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:11,460
like the uniform,

917
01:05:12,060 --> 01:05:12,640
and tan.

918
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,280
I also had some silver

919
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,340
conchos made

920
01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:17,380
that has the fleur-de-lee,

921
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:18,800
which is the emblem

922
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:19,740
for the millions and millions

923
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:20,640
of scouts around the world.

924
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:22,820
One thing about scouting,

925
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:23,400
once you're in,

926
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,380
you don't leave

927
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:25,860
if you love scouting.

928
01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:27,500
I started out as a scout.

929
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,480
Once my kids became scout age,

930
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,360
I was their cub master.

931
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,000
Now I'm the father

932
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,360
of two Eagle Scouts.

933
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:35,380
I mean, scouting

934
01:05:35,380 --> 01:05:36,340
is all about giving back.

935
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:38,020
Scouting is about

936
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:39,500
helping the next generation.

937
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:44,060
I would have thought

938
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:45,260
nobody joined scouting

939
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:46,220
to make a lot of money.

940
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,680
What's funny about that

941
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:49,180
is you look at

942
01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:50,060
some of the salaries

943
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:50,960
of the senior executives

944
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:51,640
over the years

945
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:52,200
and you see this

946
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,640
absolutely absurd,

947
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,800
high salary

948
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,060
for a senior executive.

949
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,080
There have been

950
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,080
a number of people

951
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,060
who I think came

952
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:03,120
to the Boy Scouts of America

953
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:03,900
to take advantage

954
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:04,820
of the Boy Scouts of America.

955
01:06:04,820 --> 01:06:07,600
I joined as a consultant

956
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,000
in 2010

957
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,000
and then I resigned in 2019.

958
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,680
When I joined

959
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,600
the National Council,

960
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:17,480
there were people

961
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,760
who had worked at BSA National

962
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,140
for 20 and 30 years.

963
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:21,700
They were very safe

964
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:22,260
in their job,

965
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,280
very safe in their

966
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,740
retirement program

967
01:06:24,740 --> 01:06:26,200
and the lease cars

968
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:26,800
were just part

969
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,340
of the entitlement.

970
01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:30,060
But if you ask

971
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:30,860
who was responsible

972
01:06:30,860 --> 01:06:31,580
for the decline

973
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:32,220
over the years,

974
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,140
nobody took ownership for it.

975
01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:35,660
I mean,

976
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:36,200
if you're going

977
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:36,760
out of business,

978
01:06:37,340 --> 01:06:38,560
you're not leaving

979
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:39,560
at 4.30 in the afternoon.

980
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:40,980
You're staying

981
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:41,900
until 10 o'clock at night,

982
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:42,640
11 o'clock at night,

983
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:43,380
you're there first thing

984
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:43,780
in the morning.

985
01:06:44,860 --> 01:06:45,840
But if you were

986
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:46,680
at the National Office

987
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,860
at 4.30 in the afternoon,

988
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:48,720
you better watch out

989
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:49,100
because you're about

990
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:49,660
to get run over

991
01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:50,300
by a stampede

992
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:51,040
leaving the office.

993
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:55,920
I was asked

994
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,140
to analyze

995
01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:58,260
the Boy Scouts'

996
01:06:58,780 --> 01:07:00,660
public financial information.

997
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:02,240
And I have to say

998
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,360
I was surprised

999
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:04,820
by the size

1000
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:06,040
and scope

1001
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,640
of the organization

1002
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,500
financially.

1003
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:10,020
The assets

1004
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:11,520
were over a billion dollars

1005
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,460
and I had no idea.

1006
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:14,940
That's large

1007
01:07:14,940 --> 01:07:15,920
for a non-profit.

1008
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,040
Since the 2010 trial,

1009
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:22,280
the Boy Scouts

1010
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,300
has generated

1011
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:24,700
a substantial

1012
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:26,620
operating loss

1013
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:27,940
every year.

1014
01:07:27,940 --> 01:07:30,880
I added up

1015
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:31,540
a loss

1016
01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:31,980
of over

1017
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:32,940
$500 million.

1018
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,520
Their legal fees

1019
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,040
have substantially

1020
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:38,600
increased

1021
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:39,440
during that time.

1022
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:40,960
Membership

1023
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,020
has been declining

1024
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:43,160
and it appears

1025
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:43,980
to be getting worse.

1026
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:48,180
Still in 2019,

1027
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:49,320
the Boy Scout

1028
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:50,280
top executive

1029
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,240
makes over

1030
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,180
a million dollars

1031
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:52,740
a year,

1032
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:53,780
higher than

1033
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:54,620
any other CEO

1034
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:55,740
in that category

1035
01:07:55,740 --> 01:07:56,600
of non-profits

1036
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,780
and the organization

1037
01:07:59,780 --> 01:08:00,840
has promised

1038
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:01,700
to pay

1039
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:03,160
certain amounts

1040
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:03,800
of money

1041
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,100
to executives

1042
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:06,600
in their retirement years.

1043
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:08,680
It's risky

1044
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:09,360
because

1045
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:10,820
the pension payments

1046
01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:11,560
are promised

1047
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,080
regardless

1048
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,420
of economic conditions.

1049
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,280
So to have that

1050
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,160
coincide

1051
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:16,840
with taking on

1052
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:17,620
additional debt,

1053
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,080
extremely unfortunate timing.

1054
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,600
I can't really

1055
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,160
speculate

1056
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,140
any intention

1057
01:08:26,140 --> 01:08:26,840
beyond that.

1058
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:42,460
You can die

1059
01:08:42,460 --> 01:08:44,140
without being killed

1060
01:08:44,140 --> 01:08:46,760
because some

1061
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:47,600
of those experiences

1062
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:48,280
I had

1063
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,880
when I was being abused

1064
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,580
I felt like

1065
01:08:51,580 --> 01:08:52,380
I was dying

1066
01:08:52,380 --> 01:08:54,300
or maybe

1067
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:55,020
death

1068
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:56,300
was the answer.

1069
01:08:58,440 --> 01:08:59,640
So I died

1070
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:00,460
many times

1071
01:09:00,460 --> 01:09:01,920
but I had to

1072
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,740
wake up in the morning

1073
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:04,420
and face another day.

1074
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:09,540
And not only

1075
01:09:09,540 --> 01:09:10,780
did he abuse me

1076
01:09:10,780 --> 01:09:11,580
but Lonnie

1077
01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:12,200
introduced me

1078
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:13,100
to other Scout leaders.

1079
01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:15,220
He introduced me

1080
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:16,620
to a Scout executive

1081
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:17,980
from New York Council

1082
01:09:17,980 --> 01:09:19,720
in Gary Rivers.

1083
01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:22,960
And Gary was like

1084
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,760
in his 20s

1085
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,600
just graduated from college

1086
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,480
and he was an executive

1087
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:26,220
in finance.

1088
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:27,520
And so I looked up to him

1089
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:27,980
and so I said

1090
01:09:27,980 --> 01:09:28,880
here's a guy

1091
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:29,520
he was a black

1092
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:30,500
African American male

1093
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:30,940
leader.

1094
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,380
And so I got

1095
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:34,140
introduced to him

1096
01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:35,440
and then

1097
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:37,980
that turned out

1098
01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:39,240
to he wanted more

1099
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:40,260
than just me

1100
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:40,920
looking up to him

1101
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:41,400
as a leader

1102
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:42,580
that Lonnie Martin

1103
01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:43,200
introduced him

1104
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,660
and so Gary

1105
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:47,620
abused me too.

1106
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,940
And Gary's story

1107
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:54,320
I guess I'm

1108
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,220
almost 16

1109
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:57,920
when I meet Gary

1110
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,620
and

1111
01:09:59,620 --> 01:10:03,200
wow.

1112
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:03,300
Wow.

1113
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:08,800
So I had to call Gary

1114
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:09,980
one day

1115
01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:12,280
and tell him

1116
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,280
that I had gonorrhea

1117
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,280
and

1118
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,200
I didn't know

1119
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,200
what gonorrhea was.

1120
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,380
I was in pain

1121
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:24,400
and I called him

1122
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,040
and he told me

1123
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,420
to meet him

1124
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:30,140
in New York City

1125
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:31,800
and I'm in New Rochelle

1126
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,020
and

1127
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:35,060
I didn't get on a train

1128
01:10:35,060 --> 01:10:35,680
by myself

1129
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,500
and couldn't tell anybody

1130
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:37,220
what was going on

1131
01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:40,020
and I was

1132
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:41,040
fearful

1133
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,380
because I'm in pain

1134
01:10:42,380 --> 01:10:43,040
what's gonna happen

1135
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,900
so I met him

1136
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:45,480
at the rancher's

1137
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:45,920
station

1138
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,900
and I went to a doctor

1139
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:50,580
and Gary

1140
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:52,100
was talking to the doctor

1141
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:52,480
and then

1142
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:53,500
all of a sudden

1143
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:54,000
I get called

1144
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,600
into this room

1145
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,360
and I'm giving it a shot.

1146
01:11:00,140 --> 01:11:01,560
He introduced me

1147
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,480
to a lot of bad people

1148
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:04,560
and you know

1149
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,180
I had to perform

1150
01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:05,840
or whatever.

1151
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:07,920
It was over 15 people.

1152
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,460
I had to live two lives

1153
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:18,160
and so you numb yourself

1154
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,600
and you protect yourself

1155
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,040
and so for abuse victims

1156
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,700
you may not have to wait

1157
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:28,060
to be pronounced dead

1158
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:29,340
because you can die inside.

1159
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:34,660
We begin tonight

1160
01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:35,180
with a story

1161
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:35,760
that could touch

1162
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,980
nearly every family

1163
01:11:36,980 --> 01:11:37,440
in America

1164
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:38,380
and anyone

1165
01:11:38,380 --> 01:11:39,240
who's ever put on

1166
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,060
a scout uniform.

1167
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:41,020
First,

1168
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,300
listen to this letter

1169
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:43,640
the Boy Scouts of America

1170
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:44,280
wrote to us.

1171
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:45,720
It says the Boy Scouts

1172
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,140
has been the catalyst

1173
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:48,140
for much of the awareness

1174
01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:48,740
and discussion

1175
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:49,540
of child abuse

1176
01:11:49,540 --> 01:11:50,600
that has emerged

1177
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:51,500
in recent years.

1178
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,060
Your critics say

1179
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:54,380
to put it bluntly

1180
01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:55,820
that you were dragged

1181
01:11:55,820 --> 01:11:56,860
kicking and screaming

1182
01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:57,560
into dealing

1183
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:58,800
with the child abuse problem

1184
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:59,580
and that what you wanted

1185
01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:00,060
to do

1186
01:12:00,060 --> 01:12:02,200
until you were forced

1187
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:02,820
to do it

1188
01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:04,440
was just hush it up.

1189
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:05,500
There are people

1190
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:06,960
that want a silver bullet

1191
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,540
answer to everything

1192
01:12:08,540 --> 01:12:10,700
and we're not going

1193
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:12,460
to please people

1194
01:12:12,460 --> 01:12:13,280
who expect

1195
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,740
an absolute silver bullet

1196
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:16,840
solution to this problem.

1197
01:12:17,140 --> 01:12:18,060
Were there no significant

1198
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:19,300
problems inside the Boy Scouts

1199
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:20,140
before 1985?

1200
01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:21,460
Not that we're aware of, no.

1201
01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:22,300
Not at all?

1202
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:23,400
Not that we're aware of.

1203
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,740
Day One's review

1204
01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:26,520
of hundreds of Boy Scout files

1205
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:27,620
shows an average

1206
01:12:27,620 --> 01:12:29,040
of 99 reports

1207
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,000
of child abuse

1208
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:30,760
in the organization

1209
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,060
every year.

1210
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,940
Isn't that a problem?

1211
01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:37,100
99 out of

1212
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:40,120
6, 7, 800 local councils,

1213
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:41,620
I don't think

1214
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:42,580
that you can say

1215
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:44,260
that's a problem.

1216
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,960
You can't say

1217
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:46,620
that's a problem?

1218
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:48,360
Again, one case

1219
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:49,260
is one too many.

1220
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:49,980
Well then you've got

1221
01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:51,400
almost 100 on average a year.

1222
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:52,740
That's 100 times

1223
01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:53,380
the worst problem.

1224
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,720
And you work forward

1225
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,640
developing and enhancing

1226
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:57,780
programs as you go.

1227
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,700
The Boy Scouts of America

1228
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:10,720
is an organization

1229
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,180
dedicated to developing

1230
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:13,440
healthy young men

1231
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:13,880
and women.

1232
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:15,600
But we're not immune

1233
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:16,380
to problems.

1234
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,500
One of which

1235
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:18,380
is the problem

1236
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:19,460
of child abuse.

1237
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,060
A problem that affects

1238
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:22,560
beginning in the late 80s.

1239
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,360
The Boy Scouts put in place

1240
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,160
what they call

1241
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,980
the Youth Protection Protocols.

1242
01:13:27,940 --> 01:13:29,500
These were new policies

1243
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:30,660
designed to train

1244
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:31,420
adult leaders

1245
01:13:31,420 --> 01:13:32,560
and establish

1246
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,640
new guidelines.

1247
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,320
One-on-one activities

1248
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,960
between adults and Scouts

1249
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,320
are not authorized.

1250
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,480
They advertised

1251
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:40,440
to the public

1252
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:41,140
aggressively

1253
01:13:41,140 --> 01:13:41,840
that they were

1254
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:42,700
making Scouting

1255
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:43,660
safer.

1256
01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:45,220
Any time that you

1257
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:46,460
suspect child abuse

1258
01:13:46,460 --> 01:13:48,040
in the Boy Scout program,

1259
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,920
you must contact

1260
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:50,960
the Scout Executive.

1261
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:52,860
The Scout Executive

1262
01:13:52,860 --> 01:13:53,840
in each council

1263
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:54,720
has contact

1264
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,980
with the proper authorities

1265
01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:57,540
and has established

1266
01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:58,140
procedures.

1267
01:13:59,140 --> 01:14:00,360
The purpose

1268
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:01,520
of this subcommittee

1269
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:02,440
meeting today

1270
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:03,960
is to establish

1271
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,260
procedures for

1272
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:06,860
national criminal

1273
01:14:06,860 --> 01:14:08,340
background checks

1274
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:10,180
for child care

1275
01:14:10,180 --> 01:14:10,920
providers.

1276
01:14:11,140 --> 01:14:12,460
Let me first state

1277
01:14:12,460 --> 01:14:13,440
unequivocally

1278
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:14,680
that the administration

1279
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:15,880
strongly supports

1280
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:16,940
the goals of this act.

1281
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:18,340
We require a criminal

1282
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:19,320
background check

1283
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,140
of all potential volunteers.

1284
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:22,340
We have endured

1285
01:14:22,340 --> 01:14:23,340
the cost and the burden

1286
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:24,320
of getting this done.

1287
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,100
Well, thank you,

1288
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:25,520
Mr. Schwan.

1289
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:26,740
We're pleased to have

1290
01:14:26,740 --> 01:14:27,280
the support

1291
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,960
of your great organization.

1292
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:30,400
We'll now hear

1293
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,900
from Lawrence F. Potts,

1294
01:14:32,260 --> 01:14:33,400
Director of Administration

1295
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,900
for Boy Scouts of America.

1296
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:36,440
Mr. Potts.

1297
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:38,520
While we applaud

1298
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,100
your efforts

1299
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:39,600
to attack

1300
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:40,400
a very serious

1301
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,440
societal problem,

1302
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:42,980
it is undoubtedly true

1303
01:14:42,980 --> 01:14:44,280
that many worthy

1304
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:44,900
volunteers

1305
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:46,180
would simply not wish

1306
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:47,240
to subject themselves

1307
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:48,460
to being fingerprinted.

1308
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:50,900
To combat child abuse,

1309
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:52,200
BSA, with the help

1310
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:52,800
of experts,

1311
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,580
has designed

1312
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:54,620
a special

1313
01:14:54,620 --> 01:14:55,920
five-point plan.

1314
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:57,260
So you, like,

1315
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,400
have a profile

1316
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,020
of what you think

1317
01:15:01,020 --> 01:15:01,900
is a trustworthy

1318
01:15:01,900 --> 01:15:02,720
volunteer

1319
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,740
that has worked

1320
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:05,280
for you

1321
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,400
and has not

1322
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:07,340
caused any problems?

1323
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:07,700
I mean,

1324
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,360
you can figure this out

1325
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,160
without any help.

1326
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,080
Unfortunately,

1327
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:15,780
experts have told us

1328
01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:18,500
that there is no profile,

1329
01:15:18,940 --> 01:15:19,900
there is no way

1330
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:20,580
in advance

1331
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:22,360
that you can be assured

1332
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:23,220
of screening these people out.

1333
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:24,140
That's what they've told us, too.

1334
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:24,820
That's why I thought

1335
01:15:24,820 --> 01:15:25,680
maybe you had found

1336
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,800
the key to unlocking

1337
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:27,380
all of this.

1338
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:28,520
We know the leaders

1339
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:29,420
that we're selecting.

1340
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:30,300
You know,

1341
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:30,880
they come out

1342
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,460
of the community,

1343
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:32,080
would be known

1344
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:32,620
in the community,

1345
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:33,340
would have roots

1346
01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:33,920
in the community,

1347
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:35,000
would be married,

1348
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:36,260
would be fathers

1349
01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:38,020
of kids in the program.

1350
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:40,580
A former executive

1351
01:15:40,580 --> 01:15:41,500
with the Boy Scouts

1352
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:42,380
has pleaded guilty

1353
01:15:42,380 --> 01:15:44,060
to child pornography charges.

1354
01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:44,940
Douglas Smith

1355
01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:45,720
worked with the Scouts

1356
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:46,800
for nearly 40 years,

1357
01:15:47,220 --> 01:15:48,460
even ran a task force

1358
01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:49,300
to protect kids

1359
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:50,340
from sexual abuse.

1360
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:51,440
Smith now faces

1361
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:52,680
up to 20 years in prison.

1362
01:15:56,820 --> 01:15:58,280
Which criminal statute

1363
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,900
were you convicted of?

1364
01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:01,300
I was convicted

1365
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:02,420
of receipt and distribution

1366
01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:03,280
of child pornography.

1367
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:06,620
Did you ever hold

1368
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:07,080
a position

1369
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,600
at the Boy Scouts

1370
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:09,000
of America

1371
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,540
with respect

1372
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:10,060
to the youth

1373
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:11,100
protection guidelines?

1374
01:16:12,140 --> 01:16:12,580
Yes, sir.

1375
01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:14,540
What were the circumstances

1376
01:16:14,540 --> 01:16:15,500
under which you ceased

1377
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:16,500
working for the BSA?

1378
01:16:19,140 --> 01:16:22,580
I submitted my letter

1379
01:16:22,580 --> 01:16:23,620
of retirement

1380
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:24,460
after the police

1381
01:16:24,460 --> 01:16:25,400
had come to my house.

1382
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,660
Are you presently

1383
01:16:26,660 --> 01:16:28,480
employed in any capacity

1384
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:29,060
whatsoever

1385
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:29,960
by the Boy Scouts

1386
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:30,480
of America?

1387
01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:31,360
No, sir.

1388
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:32,100
Okay.

1389
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,460
What is your current

1390
01:16:33,460 --> 01:16:34,560
state of employment

1391
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:35,720
status with the Boy Scouts

1392
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:36,200
of America?

1393
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,080
Retired.

1394
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,780
And so when you are

1395
01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:42,360
completing your term

1396
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:43,260
of incarceration,

1397
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:44,940
you will be then

1398
01:16:44,940 --> 01:16:46,480
eligible to receive

1399
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:47,420
medical benefits

1400
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:49,000
and you will also

1401
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,840
receive your retirement.

1402
01:16:50,980 --> 01:16:51,580
Is that correct?

1403
01:16:51,860 --> 01:16:52,180
Yes.

1404
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,620
I believe that is

1405
01:16:54,620 --> 01:16:55,700
it for me, sir.

1406
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,340
At this point,

1407
01:16:58,420 --> 01:17:00,040
I have no further questions.

1408
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,140
For decades,

1409
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:04,860
all the letters

1410
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:06,220
sent to the Boy Scouts

1411
01:17:06,220 --> 01:17:07,720
alleging sexual abuse

1412
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,520
in scouting

1413
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:09,960
were sent to a man

1414
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,080
named Paul Ernst.

1415
01:17:12,460 --> 01:17:13,380
He was the keeper

1416
01:17:13,380 --> 01:17:14,060
of the secrets.

1417
01:17:15,140 --> 01:17:16,160
Ernst would later

1418
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:17,140
be deposed

1419
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:18,860
for a sexual abuse case

1420
01:17:18,860 --> 01:17:19,880
against the scouts.

1421
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,520
You kept this information

1422
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:22,380
confidential.

1423
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:22,960
True.

1424
01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:24,300
You didn't share

1425
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:24,940
this information

1426
01:17:24,940 --> 01:17:26,420
with law enforcement.

1427
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:27,780
Yes, that's true.

1428
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:35,880
And you didn't share

1429
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,080
it with other parents

1430
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:38,900
in the truth.

1431
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:40,060
No.

1432
01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:42,220
Okay.

1433
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:43,880
But...

1434
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,080
I'm just saying

1435
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,720
you don't give it

1436
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:47,440
out to the public.

1437
01:17:47,900 --> 01:17:48,940
You don't tell people

1438
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:49,960
that this person

1439
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:50,780
has done something

1440
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:52,700
that will affect

1441
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:53,460
his job

1442
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:54,260
or his relationship

1443
01:17:54,260 --> 01:17:54,880
with others

1444
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:55,600
and so forth

1445
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,100
because we didn't

1446
01:17:58,100 --> 01:17:58,800
want to do that.

1447
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:59,600
We weren't the type

1448
01:17:59,600 --> 01:17:59,960
of person

1449
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:00,580
that wanted to do

1450
01:18:00,580 --> 01:18:01,460
that individually.

1451
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:09,660
James,

1452
01:18:09,740 --> 01:18:10,520
how did you learn

1453
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:11,420
you were being excluded

1454
01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:13,120
from the Boy Scouts

1455
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:13,720
and when did you

1456
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,060
learn that?

1457
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:14,780
Sure.

1458
01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:16,160
It was two years

1459
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:17,400
after I'd received

1460
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,160
my Eagle Scout Award.

1461
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:18,860
It was the summer

1462
01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:19,700
of 1990

1463
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:21,160
and I got a call

1464
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:21,640
from my mother

1465
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:22,680
who said that I received

1466
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,540
certified mail.

1467
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:25,960
Dear Mr. Dale,

1468
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:26,980
the grounds

1469
01:18:26,980 --> 01:18:27,660
for your membership

1470
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:28,300
revocation

1471
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:29,240
are the standards

1472
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:29,880
for leadership

1473
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:30,720
established by

1474
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:31,320
the Boy Scouts

1475
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:31,820
of America

1476
01:18:31,820 --> 01:18:33,040
which specifically

1477
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,140
forbid membership

1478
01:18:34,140 --> 01:18:35,640
to homosexuals.

1479
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:39,820
I was in the Scouts

1480
01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:40,800
from the age of 8

1481
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,900
to the age of 20.

1482
01:18:41,900 --> 01:18:43,640
I was in it

1483
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,020
my entire childhood.

1484
01:18:46,420 --> 01:18:48,060
It was the singular

1485
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:49,320
most formative

1486
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,260
part of my youth.

1487
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:53,960
I was not out

1488
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,760
when I was younger

1489
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,480
and even if in the back

1490
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:57,100
of my mind

1491
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:57,860
as a gay kid

1492
01:18:57,860 --> 01:18:59,100
I had that doubt

1493
01:18:59,100 --> 01:18:59,700
or fear

1494
01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:01,120
or, you know,

1495
01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:02,160
self-hatred

1496
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,180
you could even say.

1497
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:04,680
The Boy Scouts

1498
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,320
really helped me

1499
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,000
not feel so bad

1500
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:09,720
about myself

1501
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:10,660
as a gay kid

1502
01:19:10,660 --> 01:19:11,400
even if I didn't

1503
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,060
have the words

1504
01:19:12,060 --> 01:19:12,860
at the time.

1505
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:15,120
I was really

1506
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:15,920
caught off guard

1507
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,140
but it wasn't

1508
01:19:18,140 --> 01:19:18,700
something I could

1509
01:19:18,700 --> 01:19:19,680
also walk away from.

1510
01:19:20,060 --> 01:19:20,860
I'm really happy

1511
01:19:20,860 --> 01:19:21,660
with who I am today

1512
01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:22,620
and I'm really happy

1513
01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:23,800
with where I've come

1514
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:24,740
and what I've stood for.

1515
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:25,840
All that is because

1516
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:26,520
of the Boy Scouts.

1517
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:27,520
It's a great program

1518
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,580
with a policy

1519
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:29,480
that's just simply

1520
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:30,320
wrong and harmful.

1521
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,120
James Dale

1522
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:32,960
sued the Scouts

1523
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,360
and ended up

1524
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,240
going all the way

1525
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:36,060
to the United States

1526
01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:36,740
Supreme Court.

1527
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:37,900
And even though

1528
01:19:37,900 --> 01:19:38,420
their membership

1529
01:19:38,420 --> 01:19:39,860
was in long-term decline

1530
01:19:39,860 --> 01:19:41,360
they spent millions

1531
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:42,040
of dollars

1532
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,000
just fighting

1533
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:43,960
to keep him out.

1534
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:45,380
On a divisive issue

1535
01:19:45,380 --> 01:19:46,040
the Supreme Court

1536
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,020
ruled that the Boy Scouts

1537
01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:48,560
can bar homosexuals

1538
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:49,080
from serving

1539
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,020
as troop leaders.

1540
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:53,480
The saddest irony

1541
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:54,020
in all of this

1542
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:54,960
is that you're taught

1543
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:55,540
to be honest

1544
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:56,180
to be trustworthy

1545
01:19:56,180 --> 01:19:57,100
to be a leader.

1546
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:58,600
Everything I'm doing now

1547
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,480
is because of what

1548
01:19:59,480 --> 01:19:59,960
the Boy Scouts

1549
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:00,400
taught me.

1550
01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:04,960
If we no longer

1551
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:05,740
in America

1552
01:20:05,740 --> 01:20:07,020
can discriminate

1553
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:07,780
on the basis

1554
01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:08,740
of what we believe

1555
01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:10,440
then we're no longer

1556
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:11,280
a free people.

1557
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:12,420
For Scouting

1558
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:13,500
it seemed to be

1559
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:14,300
more important

1560
01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:16,060
to exclude gay Scouts

1561
01:20:16,060 --> 01:20:16,940
and Scout leaders

1562
01:20:16,940 --> 01:20:17,820
than it was

1563
01:20:17,820 --> 01:20:19,160
to fix the pedophile problem.

1564
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:21,240
The Boy Scouts

1565
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,520
knew they were

1566
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,100
harboring pedophiles

1567
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:25,140
and they didn't

1568
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:26,260
do anything about it.

1569
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:29,580
My name is

1570
01:20:29,580 --> 01:20:30,260
Michael Johnson

1571
01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:32,040
I'm a father

1572
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,520
a son

1573
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,360
and former director

1574
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,120
of youth protection

1575
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:36,900
with the Boy Scouts

1576
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:37,460
of America

1577
01:20:37,460 --> 01:20:39,480
and the truth be told

1578
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:40,840
I have got to share

1579
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:41,380
with something

1580
01:20:41,380 --> 01:20:42,560
that's been on my heart

1581
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,080
and a major concern

1582
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:44,620
of mine

1583
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:47,320
in my final years

1584
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,020
at the Boy Scouts

1585
01:20:48,020 --> 01:20:48,560
of America

1586
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:49,520
as well as

1587
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,780
after my departure

1588
01:20:51,780 --> 01:20:52,800
and it's more

1589
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,180
clearly true.

1590
01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:56,020
When I ask the question

1591
01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:56,820
is the Boy Scouts

1592
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:57,280
of America

1593
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,680
safe for kids

1594
01:20:58,680 --> 01:20:59,920
the truth

1595
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:00,400
of the matter

1596
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:00,960
and the truth

1597
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:01,500
that I said

1598
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:02,140
at the time

1599
01:21:02,140 --> 01:21:03,340
was it's not

1600
01:21:03,340 --> 01:21:04,400
Boy Scouts

1601
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:04,820
of America

1602
01:21:04,820 --> 01:21:05,500
is not safe

1603
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:06,100
for kids

1604
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:07,660
it is safer

1605
01:21:07,660 --> 01:21:08,600
but it's not

1606
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:09,420
safe for kids.

1607
01:21:09,420 --> 01:21:26,640
He had no fear

1608
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:27,940
Doug had no fear

1609
01:21:27,940 --> 01:21:35,080
there was a blog

1610
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,700
that came out

1611
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:36,020
that said

1612
01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:36,760
how he loved

1613
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:37,820
the spoon

1614
01:21:37,820 --> 01:21:38,540
with the boys

1615
01:21:38,540 --> 01:21:43,980
made me sick

1616
01:21:43,980 --> 01:21:45,600
I mean

1617
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:46,100
we didn't know

1618
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:46,760
the details

1619
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:47,040
and now

1620
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:47,380
I feel like

1621
01:21:47,380 --> 01:21:47,900
an idiot

1622
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:48,460
because

1623
01:21:48,460 --> 01:21:52,180
God

1624
01:21:52,180 --> 01:22:02,120
The Boy Scouts

1625
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:03,360
if you have

1626
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:04,080
the problem fixed

1627
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:04,860
how come our case

1628
01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:05,200
is here?

1629
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:07,100
A year or two

1630
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:08,260
before Boy Scouts

1631
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:09,480
Doug was accused

1632
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:10,000
of something

1633
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,420
they wouldn't say what

1634
01:22:11,420 --> 01:22:13,180
The Cascade Pacific Council

1635
01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:14,320
continued to allow

1636
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:15,200
Young to serve

1637
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,240
as a Scoutmaster

1638
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,620
despite Young

1639
01:22:17,620 --> 01:22:18,920
writing in a blog post

1640
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:19,440
that he was

1641
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:20,880
investigated for abuse

1642
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,040
back in 2010

1643
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,600
If there was

1644
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:24,120
allegations

1645
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:24,660
I don't care

1646
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:25,300
if they're unfounded

1647
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:25,760
or not

1648
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,080
that should be

1649
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:27,620
a red flag

1650
01:22:27,620 --> 01:22:28,260
on letting someone

1651
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:29,640
be in charge

1652
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:30,740
of young boys

1653
01:22:30,740 --> 01:22:32,020
I'm just

1654
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:32,760
how can they

1655
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:33,000
let

1656
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,280
how can this happen?

1657
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,020
I want everybody

1658
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:36,520
to know

1659
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:37,340
you know

1660
01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:38,140
the Boy Scouts

1661
01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:38,580
are not what

1662
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:39,300
they say they are

1663
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:40,320
they're just not

1664
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:46,960
I feel like a fool

1665
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,940
and

1666
01:22:49,940 --> 01:22:52,480
I just

1667
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:53,940
I feel so guilty

1668
01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:54,740
for putting him

1669
01:22:54,740 --> 01:22:55,760
in that situation

1670
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:05,560
Did you and your brother

1671
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,300
ever talk about

1672
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:07,040
what was happening

1673
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,320
when you were

1674
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:08,980
in Boy Scouts?

1675
01:23:09,740 --> 01:23:10,100
Never

1676
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:12,260
we really don't

1677
01:23:12,260 --> 01:23:12,920
talk about it

1678
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:13,660
now either

1679
01:23:13,660 --> 01:23:14,460
we just

1680
01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:15,480
kind of avoid it

1681
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:16,000
with each other

1682
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,440
because I find it

1683
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:18,440
like

1684
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:19,040
I think

1685
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:19,840
me and him

1686
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:20,500
would be uncomfortable

1687
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:21,600
telling each other

1688
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:22,520
about stuff

1689
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:31,640
I don't think so

1690
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:31,880
I just

1691
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:32,180
I just

1692
01:23:32,180 --> 01:23:32,580
stood like

1693
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:32,920
over there

1694
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:33,180
or something

1695
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:36,920
I tell him

1696
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:37,840
a lot

1697
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:38,260
that I'm very

1698
01:23:38,260 --> 01:23:38,580
sorry

1699
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:39,260
that I didn't

1700
01:23:39,260 --> 01:23:41,580
tell him

1701
01:23:41,580 --> 01:23:42,240
to stop

1702
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:42,580
doing that

1703
01:23:42,580 --> 01:23:42,920
to my younger

1704
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:43,240
brother

1705
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:43,780
because

1706
01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:44,480
I didn't want

1707
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,120
him to have

1708
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:45,380
the same

1709
01:23:45,380 --> 01:23:46,120
traumatic experience

1710
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:46,500
I did

1711
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:49,520
he was only

1712
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:49,740
in

1713
01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:51,020
fourth grade

1714
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:51,440
I think

1715
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,900
and I hate

1716
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:54,340
that I didn't

1717
01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:55,120
freaking

1718
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,140
tell him

1719
01:23:57,140 --> 01:23:57,580
to stop

1720
01:23:57,580 --> 01:23:58,260
anything

1721
01:23:58,260 --> 01:24:01,420
which that's

1722
01:24:01,420 --> 01:24:01,720
the part

1723
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,020
that really

1724
01:24:02,020 --> 01:24:02,600
makes me mad

1725
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,180
that he did

1726
01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:04,500
that to my

1727
01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:04,980
younger brother

1728
01:24:04,980 --> 01:24:10,680
I don't know

1729
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:10,980
if you can

1730
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:11,980
actually see him

1731
01:24:11,980 --> 01:24:12,300
or not

1732
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:14,680
I know

1733
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:15,060
the reason

1734
01:24:15,060 --> 01:24:15,460
why people

1735
01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:15,780
cut

1736
01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:17,320
you

1737
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:18,440
you trade

1738
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:18,880
your emotional

1739
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:19,120
pain

1740
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:19,540
for physical

1741
01:24:19,540 --> 01:24:19,840
pain

1742
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,560
because you're

1743
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:21,920
dealing with

1744
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:22,420
mental pain

1745
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:23,880
so much

1746
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:24,920
you just want

1747
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:25,200
to break

1748
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:25,580
from it

1749
01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:25,960
because you

1750
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:26,880
can't

1751
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,720
distract

1752
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:28,360
from it

1753
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,560
and

1754
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:30,840
you cut

1755
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:31,180
yourself

1756
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:31,580
and you

1757
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:32,200
have

1758
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,840
I guess

1759
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:34,340
just

1760
01:24:34,340 --> 01:24:35,580
physical

1761
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:36,100
damages

1762
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:37,060
that

1763
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:37,800
you can

1764
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,760
focus

1765
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:39,140
on

1766
01:24:39,140 --> 01:24:39,700
I guess

1767
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:49,160
if somebody

1768
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:49,580
saw

1769
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:49,940
that

1770
01:24:49,940 --> 01:24:50,280
I was

1771
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:50,500
getting

1772
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:50,860
molested

1773
01:24:50,860 --> 01:24:51,280
by

1774
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:51,920
a

1775
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,060
pedophile

1776
01:24:53,060 --> 01:24:53,640
he's

1777
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:54,780
fucking

1778
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:55,000
doing

1779
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:55,820
sorry

1780
01:24:55,820 --> 01:24:56,940
he's doing

1781
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:57,420
stuff to

1782
01:24:57,420 --> 01:24:57,640
you

1783
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:57,940
and

1784
01:24:57,940 --> 01:24:58,420
it's

1785
01:24:58,420 --> 01:24:59,160
not

1786
01:24:59,160 --> 01:24:59,540
normal

1787
01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:59,840
and it's

1788
01:24:59,840 --> 01:24:59,980
not

1789
01:24:59,980 --> 01:25:00,240
okay

1790
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:00,640
you

1791
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,140
need

1792
01:25:01,140 --> 01:25:01,560
to

1793
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,340
get out

1794
01:25:03,340 --> 01:25:03,720
or

1795
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:04,040
hey

1796
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:04,320
I'm gonna

1797
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:04,620
call the

1798
01:25:04,620 --> 01:25:04,980
police

1799
01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:05,360
and

1800
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:05,760
they're

1801
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:06,060
gonna deal

1802
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:06,460
with this

1803
01:25:06,460 --> 01:25:06,760
but

1804
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,160
nobody

1805
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:08,420
said

1806
01:25:08,420 --> 01:25:08,740
anything

1807
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:12,540
so

1808
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:13,020
I kind

1809
01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:13,240
of just

1810
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:13,400
thought

1811
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:13,600
I was

1812
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:13,840
on my

1813
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,060
own

1814
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:15,360
and nobody

1815
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:15,800
would really

1816
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:16,260
hear me

1817
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:24,760
having this

1818
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:25,180
happen to

1819
01:25:25,180 --> 01:25:25,380
you

1820
01:25:25,380 --> 01:25:25,720
and then

1821
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:26,060
having

1822
01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:26,680
you know

1823
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:26,980
someone

1824
01:25:26,980 --> 01:25:27,460
talk about

1825
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:27,940
you made

1826
01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:28,200
me getting

1827
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:28,720
a payout

1828
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:29,180
for it

1829
01:25:29,180 --> 01:25:30,620
it doesn't

1830
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:31,020
feel real

1831
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:31,380
to me

1832
01:25:31,380 --> 01:25:32,860
it's just

1833
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:33,260
kind of

1834
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:33,720
unbelievable

1835
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:34,320
that something

1836
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:34,640
good

1837
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,060
can actually

1838
01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:35,380
come out

1839
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:35,680
of something

1840
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:35,980
bad

1841
01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:43,140
my

1842
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:43,980
lawyer's

1843
01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:44,420
office

1844
01:25:44,420 --> 01:25:45,000
called me

1845
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:45,380
and told

1846
01:25:45,380 --> 01:25:45,640
me

1847
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,280
that the

1848
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:46,920
boy scouts

1849
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,040
had been

1850
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:48,720
court ordered

1851
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:49,520
to pay

1852
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:50,280
for therapy

1853
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:51,400
for you

1854
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:52,140
and for

1855
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:52,900
your family

1856
01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:53,820
who may

1857
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:54,080
have been

1858
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:54,480
affected

1859
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:54,920
by

1860
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,380
what you

1861
01:25:56,380 --> 01:25:56,600
went

1862
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:56,880
through

1863
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,140
and so

1864
01:25:59,140 --> 01:26:02,160
I immediately

1865
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:02,820
said yes

1866
01:26:02,820 --> 01:26:03,180
I'll take

1867
01:26:03,180 --> 01:26:03,600
advantage

1868
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,000
of that

1869
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:04,620
if for

1870
01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:05,260
nothing else

1871
01:26:05,260 --> 01:26:05,620
than to

1872
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:05,980
punish

1873
01:26:05,980 --> 01:26:06,400
the

1874
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:06,660
boys

1875
01:26:06,660 --> 01:26:10,340
I also

1876
01:26:10,340 --> 01:26:10,680
figured

1877
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:11,120
that may

1878
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:11,440
be the

1879
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:11,660
only

1880
01:26:11,660 --> 01:26:12,160
thing

1881
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:12,520
I ever

1882
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:12,920
get out

1883
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:13,340
of this

1884
01:26:13,340 --> 01:26:19,760
I know

1885
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:19,920
I know I'm

1886
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:20,420
not alone

1887
01:26:20,420 --> 01:26:21,080
out there

1888
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:22,380
as a victim

1889
01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:25,260
and I don't

1890
01:26:25,260 --> 01:26:25,880
know how it

1891
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,280
how it

1892
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,220
is manifested

1893
01:26:30,220 --> 01:26:31,260
in other people's

1894
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:31,840
lives

1895
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,260
but it's manifested

1896
01:26:34,260 --> 01:26:35,980
itself as rage

1897
01:26:35,980 --> 01:26:36,960
inside of me

1898
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:37,740
that comes out

1899
01:26:37,740 --> 01:26:38,420
at the most

1900
01:26:38,420 --> 01:26:40,100
inopportune times

1901
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:41,560
and to the

1902
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:41,940
most

1903
01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:44,060
most undeserving

1904
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:44,580
people

1905
01:26:44,580 --> 01:26:46,740
my wife doesn't

1906
01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:47,840
deserve to be

1907
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,020
treated

1908
01:26:49,020 --> 01:26:50,780
the way I've

1909
01:26:50,780 --> 01:26:51,340
treated her

1910
01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:51,880
sometimes

1911
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,900
at one point

1912
01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:56,540
I called the

1913
01:26:56,540 --> 01:26:57,180
main headquarters

1914
01:26:57,180 --> 01:26:57,740
of the

1915
01:26:57,740 --> 01:26:58,240
Boy Scouts

1916
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,600
because I was

1917
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:00,680
so frustrated

1918
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,200
in my marriage

1919
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,320
and I just

1920
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:04,720
said you know

1921
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:05,640
I just want

1922
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:06,100
you to know

1923
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:06,640
how this

1924
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:07,220
has affected

1925
01:27:07,220 --> 01:27:07,980
our family

1926
01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:10,560
and you know

1927
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,180
I don't remember

1928
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:11,840
the phone call

1929
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:12,540
verbatim

1930
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:14,560
but there was

1931
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:15,360
there's nothing

1932
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,040
we can do

1933
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:23,120
I've lost jobs

1934
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:23,620
because

1935
01:27:23,620 --> 01:27:24,720
sometimes

1936
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:25,320
people got

1937
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:25,880
in my face

1938
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:26,180
and their

1939
01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:26,740
authority

1940
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:28,240
became obnoxious

1941
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:28,600
to me

1942
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,220
and rather than

1943
01:27:29,220 --> 01:27:29,860
be able

1944
01:27:29,860 --> 01:27:30,860
to play the game

1945
01:27:30,860 --> 01:27:33,440
I let my rage

1946
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:34,260
break through

1947
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:36,060
and bye

1948
01:27:36,060 --> 01:27:38,640
so there goes

1949
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:39,300
that job

1950
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:43,120
many victims

1951
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,100
have learned

1952
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:45,120
how to deal

1953
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:45,620
with it

1954
01:27:45,620 --> 01:27:46,740
so that they

1955
01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:47,300
can get on

1956
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:48,140
with their lives

1957
01:27:48,140 --> 01:27:49,460
and still

1958
01:27:49,460 --> 01:27:49,960
accomplish

1959
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:50,640
what they want

1960
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:50,920
to

1961
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:56,700
I'm in a group

1962
01:27:56,700 --> 01:27:57,520
that just

1963
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,160
doesn't seem

1964
01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:58,600
to be able

1965
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,360
to do that

1966
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:00,780
so

1967
01:28:00,780 --> 01:28:11,840
you know

1968
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:12,480
living is

1969
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:12,900
difficult

1970
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:15,220
think of

1971
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:15,880
all the stress

1972
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:16,500
that comes

1973
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:16,940
when you

1974
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:18,740
you know

1975
01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:19,360
you're working

1976
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,180
and you start

1977
01:28:20,180 --> 01:28:21,380
raising a family

1978
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:23,580
and it's

1979
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:24,280
these stresses

1980
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:24,980
in life

1981
01:28:24,980 --> 01:28:27,840
that accentuate

1982
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,280
that loneliness

1983
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:30,400
and that emptiness

1984
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,320
and bring all

1985
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,060
those memories

1986
01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:33,660
back

1987
01:28:33,660 --> 01:28:36,540
it's not just

1988
01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:37,220
about a financial

1989
01:28:37,220 --> 01:28:37,640
settlement

1990
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,600
it's about

1991
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,760
boy scouts

1992
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:41,420
admitting

1993
01:28:41,420 --> 01:28:43,480
that they

1994
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:44,300
did wrong

1995
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:45,000
and they

1996
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,120
allowed wrong

1997
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:46,660
to happen

1998
01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:47,700
on their watch

1999
01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:52,400
so it's important

2000
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:52,940
that we get a

2001
01:28:52,940 --> 01:28:53,200
settlement

2002
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,840
I mean

2003
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,060
it's the closest

2004
01:28:56,060 --> 01:28:56,740
thing to justice

2005
01:28:56,740 --> 01:28:57,640
any of these people

2006
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,320
will ever get

2007
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,000
and if we fail

2008
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:00,680
to do that

2009
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,120
then there's

2010
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:02,760
no closure

2011
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,020
it has

2012
01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:05,900
it has to happen

2013
01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:12,400
all right

2014
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:13,160
here we go

2015
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:13,820
ready

2016
01:29:13,820 --> 01:29:15,500
hey good evening

2017
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:15,960
everybody

2018
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:16,940
welcome

2019
01:29:16,940 --> 01:29:18,080
to another

2020
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,140
TCC

2021
01:29:19,140 --> 01:29:21,180
town hall update

2022
01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:22,380
we're excited

2023
01:29:22,380 --> 01:29:23,160
that you're with us

2024
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:24,500
I'm very

2025
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:25,600
excited to

2026
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:26,280
announce

2027
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:26,840
a guest

2028
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:27,420
that we have

2029
01:29:27,420 --> 01:29:28,820
Michael Johnson

2030
01:29:28,820 --> 01:29:29,820
he served

2031
01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:30,460
for 10 years

2032
01:29:30,460 --> 01:29:31,220
at the boy scouts

2033
01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:32,640
trying to improve

2034
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:33,700
and fix that program

2035
01:29:33,700 --> 01:29:34,720
well listen

2036
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:35,000
Michael

2037
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:35,760
we just really

2038
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:36,520
appreciate you

2039
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:37,300
being here tonight

2040
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:38,060
thank you very much

2041
01:29:38,060 --> 01:29:38,620
you know

2042
01:29:38,620 --> 01:29:40,220
silence is complicity

2043
01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:40,780
for me

2044
01:29:40,780 --> 01:29:41,180
and I

2045
01:29:41,180 --> 01:29:41,560
and I

2046
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:42,920
I stood on that

2047
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,600
and other moral

2048
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:45,740
and ethical principles

2049
01:29:45,740 --> 01:29:46,560
we certainly

2050
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,240
appreciate it

2051
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:47,560
you know

2052
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,240
we asked you

2053
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:49,600
to sort of

2054
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:50,120
take a look

2055
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:50,580
at the

2056
01:29:50,580 --> 01:29:52,140
plan that survivors

2057
01:29:52,140 --> 01:29:53,040
are voting on

2058
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,560
and in your opinion

2059
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,620
will the non-monetary

2060
01:29:55,620 --> 01:29:56,900
portions do anything

2061
01:29:56,900 --> 01:29:57,880
to roll back

2062
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,460
sexual abuse

2063
01:29:59,460 --> 01:30:00,300
in the boy scouts

2064
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:01,440
the way they've ridden

2065
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:01,700
today

2066
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:02,400
no

2067
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:02,940
no

2068
01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:03,940
absolutely not

2069
01:30:03,940 --> 01:30:04,960
boy scouts have been at this

2070
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,260
what 100 plus years

2071
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:07,880
you can't trust them

2072
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:08,600
to do it themselves

2073
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:09,880
they're incapable

2074
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:10,860
of doing it

2075
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:11,440
culturally

2076
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:11,880
they're

2077
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:12,260
they're

2078
01:30:12,260 --> 01:30:12,900
they're stuck

2079
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:13,620
they've got

2080
01:30:13,620 --> 01:30:15,220
too much cultural

2081
01:30:15,220 --> 01:30:15,820
inbreeding

2082
01:30:15,820 --> 01:30:17,200
and nobody willing

2083
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:18,560
to risk their neck

2084
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,440
to make a change

2085
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:20,520
so

2086
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,160
thank you once again

2087
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:22,740
for attending

2088
01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:23,820
thank you for your courage

2089
01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:24,440
in coming out

2090
01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:25,740
we really appreciate

2091
01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:26,380
your support

2092
01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:27,420
thank you very much

2093
01:30:27,420 --> 01:30:27,840
for everything

2094
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,660
that you guys are doing

2095
01:30:28,660 --> 01:30:29,220
good luck

2096
01:30:29,220 --> 01:30:30,800
and just a general message

2097
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:31,380
for everybody

2098
01:30:31,380 --> 01:30:32,120
to hang in there

2099
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:32,600
you know

2100
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:33,820
the BSA

2101
01:30:33,820 --> 01:30:34,820
and the insurers

2102
01:30:34,820 --> 01:30:35,840
and the local councils

2103
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,360
are struggling

2104
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:38,640
just to get their mind

2105
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:39,200
around

2106
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:40,680
the magnitude

2107
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,100
of

2108
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:43,200
of these numbers

2109
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:43,700
because

2110
01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:45,680
there's so many of you

2111
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:46,580
so we're working

2112
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:47,140
through that

2113
01:30:47,140 --> 01:30:48,140
we have a plan

2114
01:30:48,140 --> 01:30:49,080
and just

2115
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,360
hang in there

2116
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:50,740
and

2117
01:30:50,740 --> 01:30:52,480
one day at a time

2118
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:53,460
that's what we're trying to do

2119
01:30:53,460 --> 01:30:54,960
so thanks everybody

2120
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,320
have a great evening

2121
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,480
good night

2122
01:30:57,480 --> 01:30:58,860
good night

2123
01:30:58,860 --> 01:31:04,020
you know

2124
01:31:04,020 --> 01:31:04,460
our joke

2125
01:31:04,460 --> 01:31:05,120
in the TCC

2126
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:05,540
is

2127
01:31:05,540 --> 01:31:06,560
what we'll end up with

2128
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:07,800
is a Starbucks card

2129
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:09,120
a friend of mine

2130
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:09,900
used to joke with me

2131
01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:10,140
he says

2132
01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:10,340
you know

2133
01:31:10,340 --> 01:31:11,120
money's not the most

2134
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:11,880
important thing

2135
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,240
but when you need it

2136
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,380
it's kind of up there

2137
01:31:15,380 --> 01:31:15,980
with oxygen

2138
01:31:15,980 --> 01:31:18,720
and so I guess

2139
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:19,560
that's what I would say

2140
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:20,380
it's not the most

2141
01:31:20,380 --> 01:31:21,060
important thing

2142
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:21,940
but

2143
01:31:21,940 --> 01:31:23,160
there's a lot of these guys

2144
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:23,760
that need it

2145
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:28,320
at this point

2146
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,340
we're at an impasse

2147
01:31:30,340 --> 01:31:34,120
for decades

2148
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,200
both the local councils

2149
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,500
and BSA National

2150
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:39,720
every year

2151
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,420
bought insurance policies

2152
01:31:41,420 --> 01:31:44,580
the fact of the matter is

2153
01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:47,260
it's the scouts

2154
01:31:47,260 --> 01:31:48,300
and their parents

2155
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:49,740
who bought those policies

2156
01:31:49,740 --> 01:31:50,860
they're the ones

2157
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:52,140
that paid those premiums

2158
01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:53,840
because they paid dues

2159
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:54,780
they took a portion

2160
01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:55,520
of those dues

2161
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,180
and they bought insurance policies

2162
01:31:57,180 --> 01:31:59,340
starting back in the 1930s

2163
01:31:59,340 --> 01:32:00,600
and so scouts

2164
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:01,340
victims

2165
01:32:01,340 --> 01:32:01,980
survivors

2166
01:32:01,980 --> 01:32:02,960
are the ones

2167
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:03,760
that have paid

2168
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,260
for that insurance

2169
01:32:05,260 --> 01:32:08,120
the insurance companies

2170
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,360
are not engaging

2171
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:10,680
the insurance companies

2172
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,860
are basically saying

2173
01:32:12,860 --> 01:32:16,420
we're not going to be left

2174
01:32:16,420 --> 01:32:17,420
holding the bag

2175
01:32:17,420 --> 01:32:22,080
in 1000 feet

2176
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:22,800
turn left

2177
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,800
onto corporate drive

2178
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,800
we got an email

2179
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:27,940
from the boy scout

2180
01:32:27,940 --> 01:32:28,500
saying okay

2181
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:29,440
we're finally ready

2182
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:30,000
to talk

2183
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,400
turn right

2184
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:32,620
onto executive drive

2185
01:32:32,620 --> 01:32:46,660
this is the national headquarters

2186
01:32:46,660 --> 01:32:47,500
of the boy scouts

2187
01:32:47,500 --> 01:32:48,160
of america

2188
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,260
they actually built this

2189
01:32:50,260 --> 01:32:51,460
in 1979

2190
01:32:51,460 --> 01:32:53,700
the bankruptcy

2191
01:32:53,700 --> 01:32:54,980
has caused the boy scouts

2192
01:32:54,980 --> 01:32:55,640
to lay off

2193
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:56,400
more than half

2194
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:57,180
of their staff

2195
01:32:57,180 --> 01:32:58,420
so inside this

2196
01:32:58,420 --> 01:32:59,580
are a couple of floors

2197
01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:01,460
of empty cubicles

2198
01:33:01,460 --> 01:33:07,920
hi jim

2199
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:08,940
i'm nigel jacquist

2200
01:33:08,940 --> 01:33:10,140
nigel jim pearly

2201
01:33:10,140 --> 01:33:10,860
pleasure to meet you

2202
01:33:10,860 --> 01:33:12,120
thanks for coming all the way down

2203
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:12,640
to see us

2204
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:13,460
so it's my pleasure

2205
01:33:13,460 --> 01:33:14,260
all right

2206
01:33:14,260 --> 01:33:15,200
let's get started

2207
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,000
how involved were you

2208
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:17,640
in the decision

2209
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:18,640
to declare bankruptcy

2210
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:19,360
in 2020

2211
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:20,480
i was involved

2212
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:21,120
very involved

2213
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,320
i was the chair at the time

2214
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,680
what did it feel like

2215
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,620
well as you'd expect

2216
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:27,440
it felt horrible

2217
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:29,440
but we knew we were doing

2218
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:30,280
the right thing

2219
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:31,300
because we were doing

2220
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:32,540
it for the right reason

2221
01:33:32,540 --> 01:33:34,120
we wanted to ensure

2222
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,060
that we could equitably

2223
01:33:35,060 --> 01:33:36,460
compensate our survivors

2224
01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:38,520
and we also wanted

2225
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,060
to make sure

2226
01:33:39,060 --> 01:33:40,000
we could deliver

2227
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,180
the mission of scouting

2228
01:33:41,180 --> 01:33:42,460
for the next 100 years

2229
01:33:42,460 --> 01:33:44,160
and going through

2230
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,340
this bankruptcy filing

2231
01:33:45,340 --> 01:33:46,980
as painful as it is

2232
01:33:46,980 --> 01:33:49,020
was a way to accomplish

2233
01:33:49,020 --> 01:33:49,900
both of those

2234
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:50,780
people said

2235
01:33:50,780 --> 01:33:51,640
hey the scouts

2236
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:52,740
pay their executives

2237
01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:53,540
very generously

2238
01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:54,280
even though

2239
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,480
we've seen since 2010

2240
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:57,580
and basically

2241
01:33:57,580 --> 01:33:58,720
an annual operating

2242
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,900
deficit or loss

2243
01:33:59,900 --> 01:34:00,780
each year

2244
01:34:00,780 --> 01:34:02,520
yeah our compensation

2245
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:03,300
committee

2246
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:04,960
looks every year

2247
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,360
at the compensation

2248
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:07,540
of our executives

2249
01:34:07,540 --> 01:34:08,820
actually does

2250
01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:09,860
market assessments

2251
01:34:09,860 --> 01:34:12,320
and is quite confident

2252
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:13,040
that they're being

2253
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,220
appropriately compensated

2254
01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:14,980
for the complexity

2255
01:34:14,980 --> 01:34:16,240
of their responsibility

2256
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,240
compared to other

2257
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:19,300
youth serving organizations

2258
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:20,120
and so we feel

2259
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:21,780
very positive about that

2260
01:34:21,780 --> 01:34:23,220
so how's it going to be

2261
01:34:23,220 --> 01:34:24,320
different when you come out

2262
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,560
of chapter 11

2263
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,040
how is it culturally

2264
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:27,800
and operationally

2265
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:28,360
going to be different

2266
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:29,700
I think the cultural

2267
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:31,840
changes around

2268
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:32,860
youth protection

2269
01:34:32,860 --> 01:34:34,540
have already

2270
01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:36,240
been made

2271
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:37,960
we're not going to be

2272
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:41,240
more focused on this

2273
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:42,120
because of going

2274
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:42,820
through bankruptcy

2275
01:34:42,820 --> 01:34:44,600
bankruptcy is a process

2276
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:45,800
to compensate victims

2277
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:47,760
it's not a process

2278
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,500
of changing the

2279
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:51,400
characteristic of scouting

2280
01:34:51,400 --> 01:35:02,020
I can assure you

2281
01:35:02,020 --> 01:35:02,880
that there are many

2282
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:03,920
many many ways

2283
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:04,800
to sexually abuse

2284
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:05,240
a child

2285
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:06,020
and you don't need

2286
01:35:06,020 --> 01:35:06,720
to have them out

2287
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:07,180
in the woods

2288
01:35:07,180 --> 01:35:08,160
to bring that about

2289
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:21,900
these men don't go away

2290
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:24,300
they don't dissolve

2291
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:25,120
out of the universe

2292
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,460
they just go somewhere else

2293
01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:36,500
how do we find the origins

2294
01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:37,640
of this pathology

2295
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:38,460
that makes people

2296
01:35:38,460 --> 01:35:39,480
want to have sex

2297
01:35:39,480 --> 01:35:40,060
with children

2298
01:35:40,060 --> 01:35:44,780
we need to develop

2299
01:35:44,780 --> 01:35:46,320
a broader perspective

2300
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,840
on how to protect

2301
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:48,340
children

2302
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:49,900
as they move

2303
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:50,720
through their lives

2304
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:56,500
scouting is about

2305
01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:57,260
preparing a young

2306
01:35:57,260 --> 01:35:58,020
person for life

2307
01:35:58,020 --> 01:36:00,280
and fortunately

2308
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:01,080
or unfortunately

2309
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:01,920
part of my scouting

2310
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:02,940
experience prepared me

2311
01:36:02,940 --> 01:36:03,940
for life in a different way

2312
01:36:03,940 --> 01:36:07,560
my brother is 11 years

2313
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:08,080
older than I am

2314
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:08,840
so we didn't do

2315
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:09,500
scouting together

2316
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:10,760
but you know

2317
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:11,520
I heard stories

2318
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:12,060
that they had an

2319
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:13,280
associate scoutmaster

2320
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:13,940
in his troop

2321
01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:15,100
in the 70s

2322
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:15,580
in Dallas

2323
01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:18,200
that you know

2324
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,180
had relationships

2325
01:36:20,180 --> 01:36:20,760
with youth

2326
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:21,900
that just weren't proper

2327
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:25,100
my brother was

2328
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:26,140
an all-state football player

2329
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:26,740
and you know

2330
01:36:26,740 --> 01:36:27,360
big guy

2331
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,140
and I remember him

2332
01:36:29,140 --> 01:36:29,800
telling me the story

2333
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:30,660
about his scoutmaster

2334
01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:31,640
coming into his tent

2335
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:32,180
one night

2336
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:33,280
and he just basically

2337
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:33,680
said you know

2338
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:34,200
get off me

2339
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:34,660
and you know

2340
01:36:34,660 --> 01:36:36,040
I don't want anything

2341
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:36,320
to do that

2342
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:36,780
kind of like

2343
01:36:36,780 --> 01:36:37,100
you know

2344
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:37,820
bullied him in a way

2345
01:36:37,820 --> 01:36:38,380
to you know

2346
01:36:38,380 --> 01:36:38,900
get him off

2347
01:36:38,900 --> 01:36:39,540
and that was kind of

2348
01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:40,520
it was funny

2349
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:41,040
because that was always

2350
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:41,660
in my mind

2351
01:36:41,660 --> 01:36:42,920
and then we moved

2352
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:43,580
here in 8th grade

2353
01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:45,220
and camp kicked

2354
01:36:45,220 --> 01:36:45,680
the wean in

2355
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:46,300
up the road

2356
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:47,500
I had an experience

2357
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:47,880
where

2358
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,660
it's funny

2359
01:36:49,660 --> 01:36:50,260
because I can still

2360
01:36:50,260 --> 01:36:50,800
smell him

2361
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:51,380
I can still

2362
01:36:51,380 --> 01:36:52,380
think about his image

2363
01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:53,100
and who that person

2364
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:53,680
was at that point

2365
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:54,060
in time

2366
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:58,420
an adult volunteer

2367
01:36:58,420 --> 01:37:00,360
you know

2368
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:01,880
did a very similar

2369
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:02,440
thing to me

2370
01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:07,140
and unlike my brother

2371
01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:07,680
I didn't necessarily

2372
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:08,260
have the strength

2373
01:37:08,260 --> 01:37:08,860
or the ability

2374
01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:09,500
in 8th grade

2375
01:37:09,500 --> 01:37:10,020
to you know

2376
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:10,480
kind of just

2377
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:11,100
push him off

2378
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:11,440
and say

2379
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:11,860
you know

2380
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:12,220
stop

2381
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:12,760
what are you doing

2382
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,140
you know

2383
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:16,620
I stopped

2384
01:37:16,620 --> 01:37:17,580
participating

2385
01:37:17,580 --> 01:37:18,080
in scouting

2386
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,060
every single week

2387
01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:19,360
and things

2388
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:19,800
of that nature

2389
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:20,120
I know

2390
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:20,600
it stopped me

2391
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:20,940
from going

2392
01:37:20,940 --> 01:37:21,640
to certain events

2393
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:22,680
and I never

2394
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:23,460
told my parents

2395
01:37:23,460 --> 01:37:24,180
what happened

2396
01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:25,560
I assumed

2397
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:26,040
they knew

2398
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,980
but thankfully

2399
01:37:27,980 --> 01:37:28,440
my father

2400
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:29,220
kept pushing forward

2401
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:29,560
I mean

2402
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:30,280
I'm glad

2403
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:31,180
that scouting

2404
01:37:31,180 --> 01:37:31,640
was not ripped

2405
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:32,080
away from me

2406
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:32,620
because of my own

2407
01:37:32,620 --> 01:37:33,160
experience

2408
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,080
that individual

2409
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,280
you know

2410
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,680
doesn't represent

2411
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:40,440
scouting to me

2412
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:44,280
when you start

2413
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:44,960
hearing the people

2414
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,040
at 52 years of age

2415
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:46,640
that was the average

2416
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:47,620
age that most men

2417
01:37:47,620 --> 01:37:48,340
who have been abused

2418
01:37:48,340 --> 01:37:49,220
will come to terms

2419
01:37:49,220 --> 01:37:49,600
with that

2420
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:50,620
and I was right

2421
01:37:50,620 --> 01:37:51,260
around 50 years

2422
01:37:51,260 --> 01:37:51,660
of age

2423
01:37:51,660 --> 01:37:54,120
so when I say

2424
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:54,520
that scouting

2425
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:55,620
prepares you for life

2426
01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:56,720
I think the silver

2427
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:57,820
lining in all of this

2428
01:37:57,820 --> 01:37:59,200
is yeah

2429
01:37:59,200 --> 01:37:59,920
I was abused

2430
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,440
but I also was able

2431
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:02,340
to receive healing

2432
01:38:02,340 --> 01:38:02,820
through that

2433
01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:03,960
I was also

2434
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:04,960
you know

2435
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,160
available to

2436
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,840
understand the victims

2437
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:08,260
and what they're

2438
01:38:08,260 --> 01:38:09,240
going through right now

2439
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,040
anxiety

2440
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:11,820
and depression

2441
01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:12,520
and suicide

2442
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:13,800
I know those feelings

2443
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:22,640
our courts

2444
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:23,340
are going to figure

2445
01:38:23,340 --> 01:38:23,840
this out

2446
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:24,740
you know

2447
01:38:24,740 --> 01:38:25,480
how to fairly

2448
01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:26,480
compensate the victims

2449
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:27,320
the scouts

2450
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:28,000
are going to end up

2451
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:28,360
paying

2452
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:29,260
you know

2453
01:38:29,260 --> 01:38:31,140
billions of dollars

2454
01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:32,160
to settle these claims

2455
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,600
and they're going to

2456
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:34,440
have to sell properties

2457
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:35,040
they're going to have

2458
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:35,940
to liquidate things

2459
01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:36,800
like the Norman Rockwell

2460
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:37,160
collection

2461
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:38,100
whatever those things are

2462
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:39,120
but I'm confident

2463
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:39,940
scouting will survive

2464
01:38:39,940 --> 01:38:43,360
I'm hopeful

2465
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,280
scouting will survive

2466
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:48,320
sorry

2467
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:58,080
I'm grateful

2468
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:58,980
for the survivors

2469
01:38:58,980 --> 01:39:00,140
that trust us

2470
01:39:00,140 --> 01:39:01,020
with their stories

2471
01:39:01,020 --> 01:39:03,760
they're unbelievably

2472
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,240
heartbreaking stories

2473
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,080
I can't tell you

2474
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,120
how many have told me

2475
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:09,660
how

2476
01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:12,080
they kind of divide

2477
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:12,660
their life

2478
01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:14,080
between

2479
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,080
before the abuse

2480
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:17,100
and after the abuse

2481
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:18,800
and how it changed

2482
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:19,880
and how everything

2483
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:20,560
changed

2484
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:21,720
at that moment

2485
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:22,760
in their life

2486
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,440
and how

2487
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:28,080
so many of them

2488
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,060
are haunted

2489
01:39:30,060 --> 01:39:30,640
by

2490
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:58,100
they're haunted by

2491
01:39:58,100 --> 01:40:00,360
who

2492
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:03,060
they would have become

2493
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:04,760
if this never happened

2494
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:05,140
to them

2495
01:40:05,140 --> 01:40:18,060
I think it's

2496
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:19,360
my opportunity

2497
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:20,220
and obligation

2498
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:21,980
to help make sure

2499
01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:22,700
that scouting

2500
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:24,640
is the safest place

2501
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,000
for youth

2502
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:30,040
I feel that it is

2503
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:31,260
the place today

2504
01:40:31,260 --> 01:40:33,360
we are incredibly safe

2505
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:34,720
I am

2506
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:36,980
so sorry

2507
01:40:36,980 --> 01:40:38,420
for what happened

2508
01:40:38,420 --> 01:40:40,020
decades ago

2509
01:40:40,020 --> 01:40:41,940
but I feel so good

2510
01:40:41,940 --> 01:40:42,780
about where we are today

2511
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:43,200
and I'm

2512
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:44,400
I know how committed

2513
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:45,460
the organization is

2514
01:40:45,460 --> 01:40:46,960
to even continue

2515
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,040
to improve from here

2516
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,160
I remember the scout law

2517
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:50,840
that I learned

2518
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:51,140
you know

2519
01:40:51,140 --> 01:40:52,300
45 years ago

2520
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:53,400
it changed my life

2521
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:54,100
in many ways

2522
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:54,660
for the better

2523
01:40:54,660 --> 01:40:55,800
but I wonder

2524
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:56,760
how you weigh this

2525
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:57,700
so that the benefit

2526
01:40:57,700 --> 01:40:58,620
that you and I got

2527
01:40:58,620 --> 01:40:59,300
and that millions

2528
01:40:59,300 --> 01:41:00,020
of other people

2529
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:01,240
got from scouting

2530
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:03,200
and the devastation

2531
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:04,280
that it has wrought

2532
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:05,340
on a significant

2533
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:06,020
number of men

2534
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:07,700
the good that it did

2535
01:41:07,700 --> 01:41:09,020
and the damage it did

2536
01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:12,640
I'm glad

2537
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:13,900
these 82,000

2538
01:41:13,900 --> 01:41:14,560
came forward

2539
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:15,980
I'm glad

2540
01:41:15,980 --> 01:41:17,000
we're at a point

2541
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:17,720
in time

2542
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:18,840
in our society

2543
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,240
where people

2544
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,300
will talk about

2545
01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:22,840
abuse

2546
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:24,860
50 years ago

2547
01:41:24,860 --> 01:41:26,280
people didn't talk

2548
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:26,900
about abuse

2549
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:27,620
very often

2550
01:41:27,620 --> 01:41:29,100
it was taboo

2551
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:30,980
and so

2552
01:41:30,980 --> 01:41:32,460
I actually

2553
01:41:32,460 --> 01:41:33,460
look at

2554
01:41:33,460 --> 01:41:34,180
the opportunities

2555
01:41:34,180 --> 01:41:35,320
to make places

2556
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:35,840
better

2557
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,620
reporters are all

2558
01:41:37,620 --> 01:41:38,180
about hindsight

2559
01:41:38,180 --> 01:41:39,260
in hindsight

2560
01:41:39,260 --> 01:41:40,040
do you wish

2561
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:40,380
that

2562
01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:42,560
from a

2563
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:43,080
sort of

2564
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:44,080
financial structure

2565
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:44,620
point of view

2566
01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:45,220
that you had

2567
01:41:45,220 --> 01:41:46,520
declared bankruptcy

2568
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:46,940
earlier

2569
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:47,260
or

2570
01:41:47,260 --> 01:41:48,260
did you do it

2571
01:41:48,260 --> 01:41:48,820
at the right time

2572
01:41:48,820 --> 01:41:49,480
you know

2573
01:41:49,480 --> 01:41:51,140
reporters might be

2574
01:41:51,140 --> 01:41:52,000
all around hindsight

2575
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:52,880
but I'm not

2576
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:53,700
you know

2577
01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:55,380
so I like to live

2578
01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:56,300
my life out

2579
01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:57,340
the windshield

2580
01:41:57,340 --> 01:41:58,700
not the rearview mirror

2581
01:41:58,700 --> 01:42:08,620
before I was a reporter

2582
01:42:08,620 --> 01:42:09,820
I was a commodity trader

2583
01:42:09,820 --> 01:42:12,280
and if you buy

2584
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:12,820
a cargo

2585
01:42:12,820 --> 01:42:13,800
full of

2586
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:14,580
say wheat

2587
01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:15,300
most of it's

2588
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:15,880
going to be good

2589
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:17,820
but some of the wheat

2590
01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:18,560
is going to be bad

2591
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,600
so there's a cost

2592
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:22,380
of doing business

2593
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:23,200
there's collateral

2594
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:24,300
damage if you will

2595
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:26,600
what I began

2596
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:27,760
to understand

2597
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,260
is that the boy scouts

2598
01:42:29,260 --> 01:42:30,140
are in a commodity

2599
01:42:30,140 --> 01:42:30,700
business

2600
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:31,540
and the commodity

2601
01:42:31,540 --> 01:42:32,140
is boys

2602
01:42:32,140 --> 01:42:35,180
and the scouts

2603
01:42:35,180 --> 01:42:35,860
looked at

2604
01:42:35,860 --> 01:42:36,800
some boys

2605
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:37,900
as collateral damage

2606
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:38,380
the money

2607
01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:39,820
II

2608
01:42:39,820 --> 01:42:40,200
and I'm just

2609
01:42:40,200 --> 01:43:06,520
going to

2610
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:15,260
You really can't go back and think about reconstructing circumstances for a different

2611
01:43:15,260 --> 01:43:18,380
outcome.

2612
01:43:18,380 --> 01:43:22,720
Some people have the fortitude to power through and some don't.

2613
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:26,880
And it's not strength or weakness.

2614
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,580
That's the way abuse is.

2615
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:46,880
But I have witnessed at least 30 men give their testimony to a small group of people.

2616
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:52,380
And every time it makes me cry.

2617
01:43:52,380 --> 01:44:04,680
It's just so sad.

2618
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:15,660
But this innocence, this innocence in these beautiful places, in these wonderful camps,

2619
01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:26,680
in these architectures of God in the wilderness were turned into horrific hell holes for young

2620
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,340
boys.

2621
01:44:28,340 --> 01:44:42,440
And you hear this guttural sobbing when a 75-year-old man recounts something that happened to him

2622
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:52,680
when he was 13 as if it was yesterday.

2623
01:44:52,680 --> 01:45:01,540
When you hear that, you understand alcoholism and drug abuse because they're just trying

2624
01:45:01,540 --> 01:45:13,720
to dull it down, they got this little record player in their head that never turns off, ever,

2625
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:20,720
no matter what they're doing.

2626
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:25,740
But

2627
01:45:25,740 --> 01:45:32,180
you

2628
01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:34,420
know

2629
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:35,020
there

2630
01:45:35,020 --> 01:45:39,060
you

2631
01:45:39,060 --> 01:46:08,060
This is about figuring out how to move from victim to survivor, and that's a very profound

2632
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:09,060
process.

2633
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:32,120
And I don't think you can put a price on that.

2634
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:37,120
Pretty spectacular out here, isn't it?

2635
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:44,120
It loves my soul.

2636
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:51,120
I laid down and I went to sleep.

2637
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:58,120
I laid down and I went to sleep.

2638
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:05,120
I guess the rain kind of pulled me deep.

2639
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:12,120
I guess the rain kind of pulled me deep.

2640
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:19,120
I don't know and I don't ask.

2641
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:26,120
Just like the sound splashing on the glass.

2642
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:33,120
Just like the sound splashing on the glass.

2643
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:40,120
I have walked through a world of sin where I was born, born again.

2644
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:47,120
Ain't no saint but I ain't no worse.

2645
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:54,120
You'll be the last but you weren't the first.

2646
01:47:54,120 --> 01:48:01,120
You'll be the last but you weren't the first.

2647
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:08,120
You'll be the last but you weren't the first.

2648
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:15,120
You'll be the last but you weren't the first.

2649
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:22,120
You'll be the last.

2650
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:23,120
Worth it.

2651
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:27,120
Tapi läm…

2652
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:57,100
piano plays softly

2653
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:03,160
piano plays softly

2654
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:04,880
Passers-by

2655
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,660
On the road of life

2656
01:49:08,660 --> 01:49:12,380
Are we going somewhere

2657
01:49:12,380 --> 01:49:15,260
Or just passing time

2658
01:49:15,260 --> 01:49:18,580
Cause I don't know

2659
01:49:18,580 --> 01:49:27,100
piano plays softly

2660
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:31,500
Passers-by

2661
01:49:31,500 --> 01:49:37,380
On the road of life

2662
01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:39,500
On the road of life

2663
01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:41,160
On the road of life

2664
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,340
On the road of life

2665
01:49:43,340 --> 01:49:44,660
On the road of life

2666
01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:45,760
On the road of life

2667
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,440
On the road of life

2668
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:48,760
On the road of life

2669
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:49,940
On the road of life

2670
01:49:49,940 --> 01:49:50,380
On the road of life

2671
01:49:50,380 --> 01:49:53,100
On the road of life

2672
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:54,280
On the road of life

2673
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:55,440
On the road of life

2674
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:56,040
On the road of life

2675
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:57,300
On the road of life

2676
01:49:57,300 --> 01:49:57,760
On the road of life