1
00:00:00,220 --> 00:00:25,820
Intro Music

2
00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:55,800
Thank you.

3
00:00:55,820 --> 00:01:25,800
Thank you.

4
00:01:25,820 --> 00:01:27,820
Thank you.

5
00:01:55,820 --> 00:01:57,820
Thank you.

6
00:01:57,820 --> 00:01:59,820
Thank you.

7
00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:01,820
Thank you.

8
00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:03,820
Thank you.

9
00:02:03,820 --> 00:02:05,820
Thank you.

10
00:02:05,820 --> 00:02:07,820
Thank you.

11
00:02:07,820 --> 00:02:09,820
Thank you.

12
00:02:09,820 --> 00:02:11,820
Thank you.

13
00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:41,820


14
00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:43,820
Thank you.

15
00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:45,820
Thank you.

16
00:02:45,820 --> 00:02:47,820
Thank you.

17
00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:49,820
Thank you.

18
00:02:49,820 --> 00:02:51,820
Thank you.

19
00:02:51,820 --> 00:02:53,820
Thank you.

20
00:02:53,820 --> 00:02:55,820
Thank you.

21
00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:57,820
Thank you.

22
00:02:57,820 --> 00:02:59,820
Thank you.

23
00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:01,820
Thank you.

24
00:03:01,820 --> 00:03:03,820
Thank you.

25
00:03:03,820 --> 00:03:05,820
Thank you.

26
00:03:05,820 --> 00:03:11,820
He says there was a bright glowing red object hovering outside the front gate.

27
00:03:13,820 --> 00:03:17,820
We lost somewhere between six and eight weapons that morning.

28
00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:19,820
Alien structures on the moon.

29
00:03:19,820 --> 00:03:25,000
And then he proceeded to put photographs down in front of me, and clearly in these photographs

30
00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,140
were structures, mushroom-shaped buildings, spherical buildings, and towers.

31
00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:35,420
An E.T. pilot killed on an Air Force runway.

32
00:03:35,420 --> 00:03:38,820
There had been UFOs in the Panern all night.

33
00:03:38,820 --> 00:03:39,820
They're on radar.

34
00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:47,740
But in any case, an alien had come off the craft and had been shot by a military policeman

35
00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:52,340
and apparently was wounded and was heading for Maguire.

36
00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:57,360
Dozens of incredibly surreal accounts right out of a Spielberg film.

37
00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,020
But the witnesses are all dead serious, highly intelligent professionals of rank and stature,

38
00:04:03,020 --> 00:04:08,980
and in fact were in these positions because of their quality of mind and character.

39
00:04:08,980 --> 00:04:13,660
Several had concrete evidence to back up their claims and were all willing to testify under

40
00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:16,260
oath before the U.S. Congress.

41
00:04:16,260 --> 00:04:23,020
Over 30 international news organizations recorded and broadcast the event.

42
00:04:23,020 --> 00:04:28,320
The exceptional nature of this gathering and straightforward at times emotional testimonies

43
00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:35,800
begged the mind-bending question, what if they're telling the truth?

44
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:41,220
One of these witnesses, an Aeronautics illustrator named Mark McCandlish, had several high-level

45
00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:46,780
security clearances and worked for organizations such as Rockwell International, Boeing, and

46
00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:49,980
the U.S. Air Force.

47
00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:56,060
He'd spent over a decade in research and development on the main focus of the NPC event, technologies

48
00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:59,980
connected to UFOs and extraterrestrial vehicles.

49
00:04:59,980 --> 00:05:06,740
His detailed, technical illustration of a purportedly reverse-engineered alien craft, the Fluxliner,

50
00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:13,500
a strange flying disc shown at a secret U.S. Air Force air show in 1988, was a highlight

51
00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:17,500
of the conference.

52
00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:22,260
These discs were hovering off the floor without any visible means of support.

53
00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:28,420
They were referred to as alien reproduction vehicles, also nicknamed the Fluxliner because

54
00:05:28,420 --> 00:05:30,260
they used high voltage electricity.

55
00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:41,260
this is a diagram that I made based on a sketch that Brad Sorensen did for me in rough form.

56
00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:47,520
And subsequently cleaned that drawing up and made it much more accurate.

57
00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,020
This is his story.

58
00:05:51,020 --> 00:06:01,080
He says, you know, I gave you the basic verbal description of what I saw, he says, but somehow

59
00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,900
or other you've taken everything, all the information I gave you, and you have graphically interpreted

60
00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,340
into an image that is so close and so accurate.

61
00:06:10,340 --> 00:06:13,340
He said, this is really dangerous stuff here.

62
00:06:13,340 --> 00:06:25,240
All right.

63
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:31,140
Oh, yeah.

64
00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:34,120
Yeah.

65
00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,120
Yeah.

66
00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,160
Yeah.

67
00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:53,780
Deanne Divas with United Press International.

68
00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,040
Could you please address the vehicle that there was a drawing displayed of?

69
00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,860
Why would this vehicle be on display at an air show?

70
00:07:02,860 --> 00:07:08,640
What is the power source that you are asserting is going to be so very useful?

71
00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:17,500
And how can you determine that this vehicle is not something that is being developed by a government agency?

72
00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:20,360
In fact, I think that was the testimony.

73
00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,360
This is an alien reproduction vehicle.

74
00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:29,800
And just to be clear, this means that it is based on advanced anti-gravity and zero-point energy propulsion systems.

75
00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:37,560
They are being manufactured by a consortium of companies that include Lockheed Martin, Northrop, SAIC, and other corporations.

76
00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,700
But this is not a jet internal combustion system at all.

77
00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:44,000
It is actually kicked in by a type of electric power source.

78
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:51,360
And it then accesses this ambient zero-point energy field that is responsible for all matter and energy existing.

79
00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:59,760
And by special configurations and what have you, it causes a cancellation of mass inertia and an anti-gravity effect.

80
00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,840
They do have superluminal capacity.

81
00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,000
In other words, faster than the speed of light capacity.

82
00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:12,000
I think Mr. McCandlish and other witnesses that he's identified could go into more of the technical physics of it.

83
00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:31,000
My name is Mark McCandlish, and for the better part of the last 30 years, I've been a conceptual artist, illustrator, and designer, working predominantly for the aerospace and defense industries.

84
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:56,000
About 1988, I came into some information that indicated that the United States government was in possession of and operating a kind of anti-gravity technology through a system, an aircraft that was referred to as the flux liner or as the alien reproduction vehicle.

85
00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:05,000
The story dates back to the late 70s when I was going to college at Art Center College of Design, studying transportation and automotive design.

86
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,000
I had a friend there by the name of who I had a number of classes with.

87
00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:18,000
I switched over to an illustration major before I left.

88
00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:29,000
I spent a short time working in the special effects industry in Hollywood, and then left that job to work in the defense industry for general dynamics.

89
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:40,000
I spent some time working there as a conceptual artist and designer illustrating weapons systems, and then after a couple of years left that facility and began freelancing throughout the defense and aerospace industry.

90
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,000
So that was where it all started.

91
00:09:42,000 --> 00:10:04,000
In the early to mid-1980s, Mark's career as an aeronautical and technical illustrator began taking off, as he accumulated a client list including the US Air Force, Rockwell International, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and respected periodicals such as Popular Science magazine.

92
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:17,000
He became well versed in conceptual design at the highest levels of the US military, industrial, and aerospace programs, and often called upon to generate classified and highly proprietary material.

93
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:27,000
At the time, this was around 1985-1986, and I had been freelancing for about four years at that point.

94
00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,000
Done a lot of work for Lockheed, a lot of work for Rockwell, and a little bit of work for Boeing.

95
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:43,000
And so I was establishing a reputation and had occasion to talk to an awful lot of experts in the field in various parts of the aerospace industry.

96
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:50,000
So I had an idea of what was going on in terms of the technological development that was occurring in the industry at the time.

97
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:59,000
I worked on some conceptual artwork showing cutaways of some of the weapon systems and how the components inside those weapon systems are related to one another.

98
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:09,000
I was given a lot of information. Many times I was asked to create illustrations for clients based on just verbal descriptions of what they wanted to see

99
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:17,000
because a lot of it was conceptual artwork that was supposed to put across the idea that, say, a particular aircraft that they were designing was going to be extremely fast.

100
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:23,000
So it had to have all the sort of dynamic characteristics of what a really fast aircraft would have.

101
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:32,000
And I had an idea of what these things looked like. So I was subscribing to some of the trade publications that were available at that time, like Aviation Week and Space Technology.

102
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,000
You know, a lot of people at the magazines test pilots and editors and things.

103
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:43,000
By the mid 1980s, he was a very successful professional artist living in Rialto, California.

104
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:54,000
He had a full slate of high profile projects and had become a very sought after and respected talent in a very crowded field of designers and artists.

105
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,000
Despite living in the era of Reagan and disco, things were going very well for Mark.

106
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:05,000
Then, in the autumn of 1988, things took a turn for the weird.

107
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000
The End

108
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000
The End

109
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:29,000
Well, it turns out that this was in October that the magazine hit the newsstand.

110
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,680
issue of Popular Science, it was called the Mach 5's pipeline. And a friend of

111
00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:40,700
mine from college, Brad had seen this cover illustration and it opened up to

112
00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:44,540
read the story. He recognized my name and he called the art director. He passed

113
00:12:44,540 --> 00:12:47,240
along my phone number and the next thing you know I get a phone call and this

114
00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,260
fellow calls up and says, Hi Mark, this Brad remembered me. Yeah, we were in the

115
00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:55,880
transportation design curriculum at Art Center in Pasadena when we studied car

116
00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:02,540
design. So we got reacquainted, had lunch together. It turned out that just a few

117
00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:10,220
weeks beyond that the local Air Force Base, Norton Air Force Base, was having a big

118
00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:16,380
air show. And there was a rumor that they were going to have an SR-71 Blackbird

119
00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:20,500
out there which was still kind of a rare occurrence at air shows to see

120
00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:28,660
something like that. So I invited Brad to come out to the air show and he

121
00:13:28,660 --> 00:13:33,220
suggested that he might be bringing along a client that he was working with. He

122
00:13:33,220 --> 00:13:38,800
didn't say who it was at the time, but that we thought that there might be the

123
00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:44,560
possibility that we could network some jobs together. So we arranged to meet

124
00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:49,840
together and at the last minute I got a second call from Popular Science to do

125
00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,200
yet another illustration. It was a quick turnaround. They wanted it done over the

126
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,380
weekend. It was a quick, you know, $3,000 bucks. So I couldn't turn that down. It was for their

127
00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:07,060
February of 89 edition with the cover store being about the X-31 which was an

128
00:14:07,060 --> 00:14:13,000
experimental aircraft program. So did that illustration and Brad went ahead and went

129
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:19,480
to the air show. And when the weekend was over I was kind of interested in his

130
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:25,780
impression. And I called him up and I said, you know, how did you like the air show?

131
00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:30,280
And he just seemed completely different. When I talked to him on the phone he

132
00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:36,760
sounded almost depressed. It was kind of a strange sort of reaction. And he said,

133
00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:42,760
well, I don't know. I think I saw something I wasn't supposed to see. And I said,

134
00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,600
well, how's that possible? Everything that's at the air show is sent there and

135
00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,040
flown there with the intent of putting it on static display, especially for the

136
00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,580
public. So how could you possibly see something that wasn't intended to be seen?

137
00:14:54,580 --> 00:15:03,160
He says, well, he says, I got in to see a display that was more exclusive. It was

138
00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:09,160
something that was set aside for some top military brass, top politicians with clearances.

139
00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:15,160
And the fellow I was with didn't realize at the time that certain items were going to

140
00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:21,160
be on display. And as soon as he realized that here I was without a clearance to see

141
00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:27,160
this stuff, he basically said, don't say anything. Don't talk to anybody. We'll get out of here since we can.

142
00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:35,160
So I asked him, I said, well, what did you see that you think is so stunningly classified that,

143
00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:45,160
you know, you'd be in trouble? Well, he says, there was an example of the first generation

144
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:51,160
of order there, which was the aircraft that was the actual second generation aircraft that I did the

145
00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:57,160
conceptual artwork for. So he saw the real thing. And so of course I was real curious about what it looked like.

146
00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:05,160
And he gave me some details on that. And then he described a number of sort of odd looking hovercraft

147
00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:13,160
and troop transporters and things that were basically just, you know, kind of jazzed up, advanced

148
00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:19,160
hover vehicles of one type or another. And after going through all of this, I said, well, even this

149
00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:25,160
doesn't sound all that extraordinary. I mean, you know, is there something else? And he says, well, yeah.

150
00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:31,160
He says, after they had the main little dog and pony show, they pulled back the curtain and there were

151
00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:37,160
these three flying saucers over there. And I was just, I couldn't believe my ears. I said, no, wait, did you say

152
00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:44,160
fly saucers? He said, yes. And I said, well, what do they look like? He says, well, it looked like something

153
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,160
from the 1950s, like a jello bowl, flat on the bottom, sloping sides, a little terrace around the middle,

154
00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,160
then a dome on the top with all these little bubbles around the top and a door that looked like something

155
00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,160
off of a submarine, you know, with the little pins that go out into the frame of the door and the big wheel

156
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:06,160
that you turn to tighten in, all this kind of stuff. The smallest one was about 24 feet in diameter at the

157
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:13,160
bottom end of the craft. The medium-sized vehicle was about 60 feet in diameter, and the largest was

158
00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:20,160
somewhere between 125 and 130 feet in diameter. I said, well, they, what were they doing? They were just sitting

159
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:27,160
on the floor? He says, no, they were hovering. There wasn't, you know, no landing gear, nothing holding them up,

160
00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:32,160
cables, it was just, they were hovering. There was a three-star general that was part of the presentation.

161
00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:37,160
When they, when they pulled back the curtains and these three things were, these three flying saucers

162
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:45,160
revealed to the audience that it brought there to this hangar, this general got up and he was describing

163
00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:54,160
these vehicles, he described them as alien reproduction vehicles, ARV for short. They also had a nickname for

164
00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,160
the aircraft, they called them flux liners. Now, flux is an electrical term for a high electrical charge.

165
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:06,160
So, high electrical charge liner, a flux liner. And so this was, you know, so he got kind of scared

166
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,160
and he stopped talking. And so I said, well, you know, let's, let's have lunch, you know, and he was

167
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,160
nervous about talking about it on the phone. So, I go over there and we start talking and as he's

168
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,160
describing this stuff, he's describing the different features that he had seen. And well, how do you know that? I mean, if you could just look at the outside of the vehicle, how do you know?

169
00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:31,160
What the inner workings is? And he says, well, they had taken some of the panels off the outside so you could see the inside of, you know, what the components look like.

170
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:38,160
And he said, it was remarkably simple. There wasn't that much to it. And I said, you were able to figure out how it worked from that?

171
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:46,160
He said, well, no, they had a, they had an easel next to it with a drawing, a cutaway drawing that, that showed some of the internal components, how they were arranged with

172
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:56,160
oriented to one another. And then they had a little TV monitor with, you know, a tape player below it that was showing this, you know, continuous loop of this thing,

173
00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:06,160
you know, sitting, you know, or hovering over a, like a dry lake bed out in the desert somewhere. And, and as, as you would watch the tape, this thing would make,

174
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:14,160
from, went from a hovering position, made these three little sort of hops going to the side, and then as the camera followed it, it just went straight up,

175
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,160
it disappeared outside, you know, down to nothing in just a matter of a second and a half or so.

176
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:31,160
One of the things that this general had said during the presentation, one of the things that really stood out of Brad's mind was that he said that these vehicles were capable of light speed or better.

177
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:40,160
The aircraft looked very old, like it had been around for decades. It had chips in the paint and runs, and you could see fingerprints and smudges and, you know,

178
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:51,160
blueprints where somebody walked up the side of it, this kind of thing. And he said that the paint that was on the outside, it looked like they'd taken a bunch of powdered lead, mixed it into a resin,

179
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,160
and then they just brush painted it right on the side of the aircraft. It looked like it was slapped together in somebody's garage, you know.

180
00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:14,160
So, according to his account, on November 12th, 1988, Mark's friend inadvertently gained access to a highly classified airshow,

181
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:22,160
where the featured hardware of the event was real flying saucers. They were really strange-looking, but appeared functional,

182
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:29,160
and were named to suggest anti-gravity and reverse-engineered alien technology. An official present stated,

183
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:35,160
they could travel faster than light. Despite their futuristic performance capabilities,

184
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:43,160
these appeared to be stripped-down, road-worn working prototypes, which had seen practical operation for years.

185
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:51,160
If this were the case, they were crude but tangible proof of concept for a staggering leap in aviation technology.

186
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:56,160
They used extremely advanced electromagnetic or field propulsion,

187
00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:02,160
as opposed to solid or jet fuel, nuclear power, or any other commonly known conventional means.

188
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:08,160
It also meant our government, and at least one other major defence contractor, Lockheed Martin,

189
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:14,160
had been developing and deploying functional systems along these lines for many years.

190
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:23,160
To both McCandlish and Brad, who'd been working professionally for some time within what they thought were the highest levels of aeronautical design,

191
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,160
this odd system was a sucker punch from the future.

192
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:39,160
Apparently, this had had a really, really serious impact on Brad, and he really seemed kind of stunned by what he had seen.

193
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:46,160
So I got together for lunch, and I was doing all these idea sketches of what he described to me about how the components related,

194
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:53,160
and I had, you know, your stereotypical sort of lens-shaped, you know, flying saucer like you see in, you know, more modern movies and stuff.

195
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:59,160
He said, oh, no, no, no, no. It's real simple. It's flat on the bottom, sloping sides like, you know, section taken out of a cone,

196
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,160
a little ledge, and then a dome on the top.

197
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,160
He said, the dome is actually the top half of a crew compartment that's like a big ball.

198
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,160
Pretty sure that was about 12 feet in diameter.

199
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,160
There's a central column that goes down through the middle.

200
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,160
There's like a flywheel thing on it that, you know, maybe, I don't know, six to nine feet in diameter.

201
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,160
There's four ejection seats that are all back-to-back on this central column above the flywheel type thing.

202
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,160
And he says there's a bunch of oxygen tanks in there. They're all around the bottom.

203
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:36,160
And he said the bottom is this huge capacitor. It's probably, I don't know, maybe 12 to 14 inches thick.

204
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,160
It's shaved off at an angle on the edges, looked like it had been put on a big, giant milling machine,

205
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,160
and they've milled off the edges at a 35 degree angle.

206
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,160
He said there's a series of these plate capacitors.

207
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,160
I said, well, do you think that this is functioning like the Beethro-Brown effect,

208
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,160
like, you know, these experiments that were done back in the 60s with levitating things with, you know, electrostatic fields and stuff?

209
00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:01,160
He said, well, that may be it, but he says they told me, he said, one of the things I saw was that it was using zero-point energy.

210
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,160
It was using scalar energy. I said, really?

211
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,160
It's cool, huh? Zero-point energy.

212
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,160
You know, I saved the best inventions for myself.

213
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,160
Well, I've been corresponding with Tom Bearden for about eight years at that point.

214
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,160
You know, talked many times, nailed letters back and forth, talked on the following things.

215
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:29,160
Okay, so what we have is we have a very strong argument that neither the scalar photon, that is the time polarized photon,

216
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:35,160
nor the longitudinal photon, which is over in three space, are individually observable.

217
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,160
But if you somehow can combine the two, they are observable as instantaneous quantum potential.

218
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,160
And so I had a sense of what zero-point energy was about.

219
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,160
We wanted to talk about longitudinal waves and scalar waves and cyclotronic weapons and all this kind of stuff.

220
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,160
And so I've been following this for a while, reading Tom Bearden's work and things.

221
00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:00,160
And so I had a pretty good sense of what Brad was talking about, which he was a little surprised about that I would know this already.

222
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,160
So he opened up to me a little bit more and began telling me more and more about it.

223
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:11,160
When Brad finally became frustrated with my questions, he sat down while we were in his office together,

224
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,160
and he did this rough sketch, which I still have to this day, you know, 22 years later.

225
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,160
And he just sat down, and right where we were sitting there at his table,

226
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:25,160
he just kind of sketched out with an ink pen on a piece of legal-sized white paper

227
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:31,160
and put some, you know, some little handwritten call-outs around the edges that described, you know,

228
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,160
the number of capacitor plates in each one of the little sections that there were, you know,

229
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,160
they were so wide at the end.

230
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,160
And the crew compartment was definitely about 12 feet in diameter.

231
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:46,160
Just kind of put all these things down as close as he could remember to the way they existed.

232
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,160
And so I sat down with all this information, and I just began sort of drafting it out.

233
00:24:51,160 --> 00:25:00,160
It was at this point Mark began putting his formidable skills as a conceptual illustrator to work in uncharted territory.

234
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,160
Taking Brad's eyewitness account, detailed descriptions, and rough sketches of the ARV,

235
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,160
McCandlish began refining aspects of the components his friend described

236
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,160
and piecing together an ever more precise rendition of the craft.

237
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,160
Over the course of the next few years, he generated a series of drawings,

238
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,160
culminating in the Fluxliner cutaway blueprint,

239
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,160
one of the most notorious images in the history of UFOlogy,

240
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,160
and the mysterious realm of black-budget aircraft.

241
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,160
I'm Jesse Ventura, and this is Conspiracy Theory.

242
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,160
This was called the Fluxliner.

243
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,160
This is probably the strangest one you've shown me yet.

244
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,160
This actually flies?

245
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,160
It actually flies on the principles of high-voltage electrical charges.

246
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:56,160
This is the original, one of the original blueprints of the alien reproduction vehicle,

247
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160
which I produced in March of 1989.

248
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:09,160
It was put together by accumulating a lot of verbal testimony from Brad and later from a number of other sources,

249
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:16,160
including Ken Sellin and some other people that I talked to who had some contact or information about the vehicle.

250
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:33,160
For Mark, his friend Brad's initial account was a fascinating story with a degree of veracity and plausibility,

251
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,160
worth exploring and doing some research,

252
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:43,160
but was after all just one man's tale of a fairly unbelievable event, concept and machine.

253
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,160
However, this subsequent research led Mark to some other very compelling eyewitnesses,

254
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,160
official documentation, including numerous scientific patents,

255
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,160
and other sources, such as respected quantum physicists,

256
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:02,160
which finally convinced him of the likelihood that the ARV might be a very real thing.

257
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:19,160
The first verification of the story that I picked up on the alien reproduction vehicle was around 1991, 1992.

258
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,160
It was the first air show at Edwards Air Force Base where they actually had the B-2 stealth bomber on display.

259
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:33,160
And in the course of that air show, I had occasion to join up with some clients from Rockwell International,

260
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,160
and they introduced me to this fellow who claimed at the time that he was working with the Air Intelligence Agency.

261
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,160
His name was Kent Sellin.

262
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:48,160
He claimed that he had inadvertently seen this same craft at Edwards Air Force Base North Base facility in 1973.

263
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,160
And I said, when, how, where, you know, what were the circumstances?

264
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,160
He says, well, I was a crew chief.

265
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,160
He said, I worked on Bill Scott's plane when he was a test pilot.

266
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,160
And he says, one night my ship's supervisor said to me, you know, go out to North Base.

267
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:08,160
They've got a power unit out there, a ground power unit for an aircraft that's leaking or failed or something.

268
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,160
So we need to take a tow vehicle out there, go out, pick it up, bring it back.

269
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,160
Well, instead, what happened is he comes up off the dry lake bed, rolls right up on the tarmac,

270
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,160
and is going down these rows of hangers.

271
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,160
They're all Quonset-style hangers back then.

272
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:28,160
And he stops in front of the first one with the doors cracked, expecting to find this defective ground power unit.

273
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,160
And what does he see?

274
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,160
He sees this flying saucer sitting in the hangar, hovering off the ground.

275
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,160
So I tell you, well, what happened?

276
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,160
He says, well, this thing, you know, was flat on the bottom, sloping sides, a little ledge around there,

277
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
and then a dome on the top with these little glass things on top.

278
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,160
It looked like there was a camera under each one.

279
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,160
And I said, really?

280
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,160
He says, yeah.

281
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,160
No, you know, no landing gear.

282
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,160
It was hovering.

283
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,160
And I said, let me borrow your pen.

284
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:56,160
So I took out a Kodak lens cleaning tissue package that I had in my camera bag.

285
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,160
It was the only thing I could think of to draw on.

286
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:05,160
I just, I did a quick sketch of this alien reproduction vehicle as described by my friend Brad Sorenson back in 1988.

287
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,160
And I said, is that what you saw?

288
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,160
And he says, oh, you've seen one.

289
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,160
And I said, no.

290
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,160
But I wasn't sure until this moment that the story was absolutely true.

291
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,160
And so that was when I knew there was a second point of confirmation.

292
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,160
He says, I wasn't there for 15 seconds.

293
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,160
And I heard footsteps running up to me before I could even turn around and look.

294
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,160
He says, there was a machine gun barrel at my throat, another one over here.

295
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,160
And he says, a gruff voice says, close your eyes and get on the ground and we're going to blow your head off.

296
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:37,160
So they put a hood over his head, blindfolded him, hauled him off, and they spent 18 hours debriefing him.

297
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:45,160
He was forced to sign some non-disclosure documents about that, but then was given some additional information about it.

298
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Things, details about the ejection sequence for that vehicle and so forth, things that Brad didn't know anything about.

299
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
So that gave some validity to what he was saying.

300
00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:12,160
In addition to Kent Sellin, there is at least one other witness on record testifying to the existence of what he describes as a UFO at Norton Air Force Base, which may well have been the ARV.

301
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:26,160
I can discuss Norton Air Force Base and that as a result of all the military air of command bases under me for their facilities, that there was one facility at Norton Air Force Base that was close hold.

302
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Not even the wing commander there could know what was going on.

303
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:41,160
And during that time period throughout my career, it was always rumored by the pilots that that was a cover for, in fact, a location of one UFO craft.

304
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:54,160
And the reason for that location was folks that could come out, land at Norton, play golf, be part of a golf tournament, so forth, and during that process could go by the facility and actually see the UFO.

305
00:30:54,160 --> 00:31:07,160
I became so excited about the prospect that this thing really was real and that there really was some technology about it.

306
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:15,160
And so every chance I got, I would strike up a conversation with someone I knew in the industry and I'd ask them if they'd ever heard anything about this.

307
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160
I was talking to a fellow by the name of Paul Shepard, who was a UFO investigator.

308
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:27,160
I felt that he'd have, you know, a little bit more knowledge about the kinds of things that were going on in this area of research.

309
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:35,160
And he put me in touch with a couple of gentlemen, Gordon Novell and George Ulick, who was a physicist with Hercules Aerospace up in Sandy, Utah.

310
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,160
And they were very interested in this story.

311
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:45,160
I started off as an aeronautical engineer when I was in college and I got real interested in what makes UFOs go.

312
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:55,160
And so I just kind of pursued the trail of the technology as opposed to the aliens and that kind of stuff.

313
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,160
And that's all I do is pursue the technology and I got lucky.

314
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,160
I got very, very lucky and got my hands on a cutaway of their bird.

315
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:11,160
One of them had an ongoing correspondence with UFO researcher Wendell Stevens, a retired lieutenant colonel from the Air Force,

316
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:18,160
who had participated in sort of these UFO chasing exercises up around the Arctic many, many years ago.

317
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:30,160
So Gordon sent a request off to Wendell Stevens saying, you know, we know that you have this big photo archive of all these different UFOs that have been seen over the years.

318
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:37,160
Do you have any photography that even resembles what we're describing in this drawing that I had done?

319
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,160
And it turned out that there was a case.

320
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:53,160
I obtained photographs that were taken in 1967 by a military pilot, Harvey Williams, flying a C-47 for the Air Force at 12,000 feet,

321
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,160
approximately 25 miles southwest of Provo, Utah.

322
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:06,160
This particular vehicle matches the so-called ARV in all proportions and respects in terms of the detail of the shape of the craft.

323
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:13,160
It really bore a striking resemblance to the ARV with one possible exception,

324
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:19,160
and that was that the synthetic vision system, little bubbles that accommodated the camera systems on the outside of the sink,

325
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,160
were quite a bit larger than the ones that Brad had reported.

326
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:30,160
And so when I thought back to something that Brad had said, and that was that many of the components on the ARV,

327
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,160
like the ejection seats and the camera systems, were all off-the-shelf components.

328
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:45,160
He said that the ones that he saw in 1988 looked just like the little bubbles you see hanging from the ceiling in the casinos in Las Vegas.

329
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:53,160
So when I thought back to the camera systems that were available in 1966, of course they were much larger than they were in 1988,

330
00:33:53,160 --> 00:34:06,160
and so the larger acrylic bubbles seemed, you know, to give some veracity to the photography as it was presented in these pictures taken by Harvey Williams.

331
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:13,160
One of the things that came up in the investigation was the fact that a number of the witnesses starting in 1988

332
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,160
described the vehicle that they saw as looking like it had been around for a long time.

333
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,160
Chips in the paint, you know, fingerprints, you know, greasy hand prints and that kind of stuff.

334
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:30,160
The material around where the Zeus fasteners brought the panels together all chipped and scratched and stuff like it had been around for a long time.

335
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:39,160
When I talked in 1991 or 1992 to Kent Sellin, you know, he clarified that he'd seen this thing in 1973,

336
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,160
which was, you know, what, 15 years or something earlier than that.

337
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:51,160
And then the photographs from Wendell Stevens showed that this thing may have been operational as early as, you know, June or July of 1966.

338
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:58,160
So it certainly supported the idea that this thing had been around for quite a while, maybe even earlier than that.

339
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:12,160
When you look at some of the photography of UFOs, going all the way back to some of the earliest photography we know of,

340
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,160
McMinnville, Oregon, for example, you see the same general layout, you see the same general configuration,

341
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:24,160
the flat bottom, the sloping sides, a little dome in the middle, sometimes pointy, sometimes almost like the top end of a cylinder

342
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:30,160
that's been chopped off, sometimes a perfectly round dome, sometimes even, you know, like a cone on the top.

343
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:42,160
So it suggests that, you know, there's many different variants of the system, but the overall arrangement of the components is basically the same.

344
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:48,160
If the images of UFOs are different, you know, form a microscope should look down on the sample basis October.

345
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Well, there's a wide wall,mişters, an actual image, an artist who strings areуждers,

346
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,160
so often even pensar them on the surface fielded.

347
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:03,160
And if it israrears. I'll see if it blinked through the cube in there,

348
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,160
you know, aTS Anyway, we have huge amounts of the image of UFOs in the北 and and out of aantal side,

349
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:21,160
And I kept saying to myself, you know, this is just too much of a coincidence.

350
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,540
You know, maybe this goes back a lot further than anybody knows.

351
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:36,140
In fact, in a translation of a Sanskrit text written by a Middle Eastern king in the 11th century,

352
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:39,760
there are references to Vimanas, or flying machines,

353
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,580
with a propulsion system bearing a striking resemblance to that of the ARV.

354
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:52,940
Strong and durable must the body of Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material.

355
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:58,340
Inside, one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath.

356
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,280
By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion,

357
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,520
a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky.

358
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,500
One of the things that they describe when you read up on the literature surrounding these so-called Vimanas

359
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:20,580
was the so-called mercury vortex or mercury turbine engine.

360
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,140
I see the word Vimana. Can you describe how that relates?

361
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:27,660
Well, this is something that I, you know, I spent a lot of time reading up about,

362
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:32,860
the so-called mercury turbine generators or vortex, mercury vortex generators,

363
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:36,920
described in some of these ancient Sumerian texts.

364
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:43,160
And so I started looking at the possibility that there had to be some kind of circulation going on in the mercury cell.

365
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:48,660
So that was the kind of thing that I visualized would be going on inside the chamber.

366
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:54,120
The central column has a number of components, a couple of counter-rotating cylinders.

367
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:59,320
It sounds very much like the device that the Nazis were developing in the Wenzelis mine in Poland

368
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,060
towards the end of the Second World War.

369
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,360
There seems to be some evidence that they were trying to develop some kind of an anti-gravity propulsion system

370
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,120
or a zero-point energy device.

371
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:14,160
Apparently, if we're talking about systems using components and processes similar to the ARV,

372
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,120
we can't ignore the Nazis.

373
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:25,120
I think it was Timothy Goode published a story, maybe above top secret,

374
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,300
where he found a researcher who was following developments by the Nazis at the end of the Second World War.

375
00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:35,620
And it looked like they'd been developing flying saucers up in Poland in Wenzelis mine.

376
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,160
And they had this thing that looked like Stonehenge,

377
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:41,120
where they had all these high-voltage cables coming into it

378
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,020
and these chains that would hold something down.

379
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,180
And they had this thing called the bell, the Dasgloca.

380
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:54,500
That was down in this mine in Wenzelis.

381
00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:57,380
And that it involved a ceramic dome.

382
00:38:57,740 --> 00:39:01,080
And it had two cylinders inside with a mercury solution circulating in it.

383
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:04,140
And the two cylinders were inside an electromagnetic field.

384
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:10,200
And they were counter-rotating and they had this mixture of mercury, thorium and beryllium.

385
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,240
Now, it looks like there's a high-voltage electrical discharge that's being sent through the mercury.

386
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,500
And that is somehow doing something that enables this anti-gravity effect to occur.

387
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:42,460
Besides rumours about Hitler's top scientists and the mythology of ancient kings,

388
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:49,620
there were other instances where a central core involving mercury and other components similar to the ARV were reported.

389
00:39:49,620 --> 00:40:00,460
At one point, Mark contacted and interviewed possible UFO abductees

390
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:04,220
to gain insight on the technology they may have seen in the alien craft,

391
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,660
something he had in common with McDonnell Douglas in the 1960s

392
00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:13,860
and possibly numerous other corporate and government entities since the 1940s.

393
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:19,900
I wound up going to my management and telling them, you know, you're not going to believe this,

394
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:24,820
but the UFOs are clearly coming from someplace else.

395
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
They're clearly manned or humanoided.

396
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:32,680
And the only question is whether we're going to figure out how they work before Lockheed or after.

397
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,100
And so, as a result of that, the company at that time, which has now, of course, been bought by Boeing,

398
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:44,640
over several years, put in about $500,000 worth of research effort under my direction

399
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:51,400
to study gravity control techniques and also analyze UFOs.

400
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,940
We hired a police detective to interview witnesses, abductees.

401
00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:58,220
We had experimental work and theoretical work.

402
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,480
So it was kind of a fun project.

403
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,620
In the course of all this, it occurred to me that one of the other resources

404
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:08,620
that I might be able to draw on was people in the alien abduction community.

405
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:11,820
I began to think, you know, well, these people are either crazy

406
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:13,940
or they're really having an experience of some kind.

407
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,160
And some of them even talked about implants that were being recovered from their bodies.

408
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,380
And so I was intrigued and I thought, well, okay, you know, if any of these stories are true,

409
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,180
there might be a chance, however slim, that if they really were abducted by aliens,

410
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:29,480
they might have gotten a tour of the ship.

411
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,880
They might have seen some propulsion system components.

412
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,680
And so I heard three of these young ladies being interviewed on a radio station out of Las Vegas.

413
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,560
This was sort of the precursor to Art Bell and Coast to Coast AM.

414
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:41,860
It was with Billy Goodman happening.

415
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:47,520
And he was interviewing Cindy Avonavos, Melinda Leslie, and Alicia Davidson.

416
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:49,360
Contacted the station.

417
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,440
They put me in touch with these three young ladies.

418
00:41:51,440 --> 00:42:00,140
I interviewed them individually and much to my surprise determined that these young ladies seem to be bonafide examples of the phenomena

419
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:05,280
with implants that could be seen on medical MRIs.

420
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,300
So what I did was I simply asked them to describe what they saw.

421
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:15,740
And without disclosing anything that I already knew about the components inside the alien reproduction vehicle,

422
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,060
I found that these young ladies, at least one of them in particular,

423
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:26,040
was able to describe not only components that strongly resembled the ones that were inside the alien reproduction vehicle,

424
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:34,380
but they were also at a higher level of sophistication that actually gave additional clues about how the ARV actually functioned.

425
00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:39,120
Alicia Davidson described being escorted into the engine room and seeing the propulsion system components.

426
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:43,580
And it involved a central column that was made of a transparent glass-like material.

427
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:49,360
She said there was a silvery fluid that was spiraling upward at the bottom of this column.

428
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,860
Down in kind of this well that was in the center of the spacecraft was this little tiny flywheel-like mechanism spinning,

429
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:57,620
which matched the ARV also.

430
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,580
And this is at a point when this young lady had never seen any of the drawings that I'd done

431
00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:03,400
of what the ARV was structured like.

432
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,880
I was just, you know, talking about propulsion components in general.

433
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:11,020
But then she said that when you looked across this little well,

434
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,660
you know, this lowered floor area in the center of the room,

435
00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:16,680
there was like a guardrail around it, and she stood there.

436
00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:20,800
She said you could look across, and she said it looked like that below the deck she was standing on

437
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,380
was this glass-like material with these coils of wire going through it.

438
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,140
And they were spaced out in the same proportions as the ones on ARV.

439
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:35,280
The thing that she said that was most significant was that the column itself was rotating in one direction,

440
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,100
and the flywheel was spinning in the opposite direction.

441
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:43,020
There was counter-rotation, which is something that's often been reported in UFO sightings.

442
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,880
You see components on the ground that are spinning in opposite directions.

443
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:52,540
Back here on Earth, the scientific community has been busy since the end of the Industrial Revolution.

444
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:57,540
There have been dozens, perhaps hundreds of US and international patents

445
00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:01,720
dealing directly with electrokinetics and electrogravitics,

446
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,100
going back to the turn of the last century.

447
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:07,960
It would be safe to assume private industry and the military

448
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,200
have also been working on a great deal of related applications off the public record.

449
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:18,540
In short, since Nikola Tesla's first experiments with pushing electricity around,

450
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,040
mankind has had a thing for antigravity.

451
00:44:34,100 --> 00:45:04,080
If you look at the last century,

452
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,960
look at these two illustrations.

453
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:13,960
This is a patent that was secured in May 30, 1967, by James Frank King, Jr.,

454
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,200
who happened to work with Thomas Townsend Brown in the labs of Agnew-Bonson.

455
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,680
But you can see a striking similarity between the two vehicles.

456
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:33,320
On the one hand, you've got a sort of a frost room-shaped fuselage section.

457
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,220
You've got a series of coils that wrap around the crew compartment,

458
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,720
although the crew compartment in this instance is more of a cylinder.

459
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,660
But you also have a central column that goes down through the middle,

460
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,420
and you have this capacitor section that's in the bottom.

461
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,240
And then you have these little flight control mechanisms here.

462
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:53,020
You know, I find it really remarkable that there's so much similarity between the two objects.

463
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,840
And when is that patent from?

464
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,220
May 30, 1967.

465
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:01,400
It's called a magnetohydrodynamic propulsion apparatus.

466
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,400
And so I started thinking, well, maybe it's like a cyclotron.

467
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:08,240
Maybe there's an electrical discharge from this.

468
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:11,780
Basically, this whole thing looks like a giant Tesla coil.

469
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:13,220
It's got the capacitor array.

470
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:18,600
It's got, you know, a central column that looks like the secondary windings of a Tesla coil.

471
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,400
And this might even go back to something that Nikola Tesla discovered back in the 1940s.

472
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,740
You know, it was all hushed up, and all the UFO sightings we've ever seen

473
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:30,760
were something that came from Nikola Tesla, not from another planet.

474
00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:33,760
And I mean, these are the things that were all going through my head at the time.

475
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:42,020
So it was really surprising to find all the different sources that I encountered

476
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:47,180
that seemed to provide useful information as to how this thing was made,

477
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,120
how it worked, what its energy sources were.

478
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,340
And it just, it was all really fascinating to me.

479
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,040
And that's one of the reasons I pursued it.

480
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,580
It wasn't because I was, you know, like I say, trying to breach national security.

481
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,240
I was just insatiably curious about how these things work.

482
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,560
And he said it was remarkably simple.

483
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:11,880
There wasn't that much to it.

484
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:18,040
The ARV system, for all of its claims of flashy out-of-this-world propulsion capabilities,

485
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,380
was indeed remarkably simple.

486
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:24,500
It could be described as a large-scale, souped-up Tesla coil,

487
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:27,600
designed to negate gravity and inertia,

488
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,080
with off-the-shelf navigation and life-support systems bolted on,

489
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:33,900
almost as an afterthought.

490
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,440
You could think of it as the Model T of anti-gravity vehicles,

491
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,160
an industrial dune buggy,

492
00:47:39,420 --> 00:47:42,780
or crude hot rod that can get you to Mars in a few minutes.

493
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:46,740
In this version, at least, first-class seating was still a way off.

494
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,340
From everything I've been able to gather,

495
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:57,520
it helps to understand what some of the components are.

496
00:47:57,780 --> 00:48:01,200
There's a large capacitor array on the bottom of the craft.

497
00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:02,740
It's in the smallest version.

498
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,100
It's 24 feet in diameter.

499
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:08,580
The outer edge of the plates and the capacitor section itself,

500
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,120
they're shaved off at that same 35-degree angle.

501
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,960
So you have a series of plates that are progressively smaller

502
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,200
as you get higher and higher in the stack.

503
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:19,880
And there's 48 sections that are all set up like that.

504
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:23,220
Through the middle of the crew compartment is a central column

505
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:26,540
that's called the amplifier section that's in the middle of the craft.

506
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,340
On the very center point of that column

507
00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:34,520
is what looks like a large 9-foot diameter flywheel-type mechanism.

508
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,160
Then around the belt line of the crew compartment

509
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,160
is about a 2-foot wide coil of wire

510
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,360
that's embedded in the same glass-like material

511
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,320
that the capacitor section, the plates are embedded in.

512
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,320
And there's a kind of flange or fairing

513
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,580
that traps the top and the bottom surfaces of the coil.

514
00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:58,200
You can see that it traps it there and at the top.

515
00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:00,860
But in between are a series of explosive bolts

516
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:02,280
that run all the way around the craft.

517
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,480
They said above this ledge there is a,

518
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,620
looks like a door out of, you know,

519
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,260
your stereotypical cartoon submarine, you know.

520
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,420
It has a steel frame that's embedded in the side

521
00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:16,200
of this pultruded sphere that makes up the crew compartment.

522
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:19,780
And he said that it had a wheel on it with little spokes

523
00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:21,340
that you would turn like an old, you know,

524
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:24,200
Captain Nemo submarine with the pins that would go out

525
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,460
and lock into the door frame and add a seal on it

526
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:27,200
so it would be airtight.

527
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,360
And then the ejection seats are mounted back-to-back.

528
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,340
There's four of them in the smallest version of the craft

529
00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:35,940
and they're mounted on this central column on a set of rails.

530
00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:37,960
In the event of an ejection,

531
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,420
the explosive bolts separate the top

532
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:42,080
of the bottom halves of the crew compartment

533
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,520
and the entire outer sheath of the central column pulls away

534
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,880
along with the upper half of the crew compartment

535
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:52,620
and the ejection seats.

536
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:56,040
This crew compartment sphere can actually function

537
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,760
as kind of a rudimentary re-entry vehicle coming down

538
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,040
through the atmosphere and then once you get, say,

539
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:07,180
below 14, 15, 16,000 feet, the thing will pop a chute

540
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:12,680
out the top and the ejection seats drop off on these rails one

541
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,960
by one and the pilot can drift down in a parachute

542
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:16,900
or with a parachute.

543
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:20,540
Because this flywheel-like mechanism is turning all the time,

544
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:27,040
the individual pilot or crew members have a kind of a pan

545
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:30,300
that's right below the front of the ejection seat

546
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,740
that affords them a place to put their feet.

547
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Now, the control system on the vehicle,

548
00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:40,660
on the ejection seat that the pilot sits in, on the one hand,

549
00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:45,540
it looks like a high-voltage potentiometer or like a rheostat

550
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:47,980
on the one side that has a couple of big heavy-duty cables

551
00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:50,260
that come out of it and goes into the central column.

552
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:54,040
And that's basically the amount of power that he has in the system.

553
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:00,220
And on the other side, there was sort of an inverted J-shaped piece

554
00:51:00,220 --> 00:51:03,060
of metal that came up and over like that that had a sphere on it.

555
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,860
Now, on the bottom of the sphere, there is sort of a bowl

556
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:12,200
that's sort of slightly larger in diameter, but it conforms to the shape of this sphere.

557
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,000
Of all the components of the ARV, the navigation system,

558
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,460
while perfectly logical and even elegant in its design,

559
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:25,420
has to be the strangest one.

560
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,660
It's an entirely unknown paradigm in steering an aircraft or anything else,

561
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,100
yet makes perfect technical sense.

562
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:38,700
If one were to make the case for truly alien aspects of the alien reproduction vehicle,

563
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,320
this might be the first example they'd use.

564
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:47,620
The sphere itself appears to be a kind of a domed arrangement

565
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:53,420
where you have a number of fibre-optic leads that come into the sphere.

566
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:58,160
And for each one of the 48 capacitor arrays,

567
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,960
there's a series of sensors that are then used to sort of relay information

568
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,120
to the individual plates.

569
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,840
And so then, on the bottom of this,

570
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,220
you have a bowl that moves around

571
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:17,540
and can be used to convey the commands of the pilot

572
00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:19,100
in terms of what he wants to do

573
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,340
in terms of shaping the field around the vehicle.

574
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:26,680
And right in the center of that bowl is a kind of laser diode

575
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,260
that sends a laser beam up into the underside,

576
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,880
the inside of this sphere.

577
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:33,900
And so as the bowl moves,

578
00:52:34,180 --> 00:52:37,540
that laser is sort of scanning around on the inside

579
00:52:37,540 --> 00:52:38,680
of the different sensors

580
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,800
that are responsible for each of the capacitor sections.

581
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:46,220
Then there's a series of relays that will open up and close

582
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:47,780
and let a certain amount of energy in

583
00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:49,400
or prevent it from going in.

584
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,900
And when it's dead center,

585
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,480
it means that all of them get the exact same amount of information.

586
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:54,600
You just go straight up.

587
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:56,140
If you want to bank to the right,

588
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,200
then you turn, you bank this to the right.

589
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,320
It sends, you know, the laser signal over to the opposite side of the dome

590
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,840
and it says that the opposite side of the craft

591
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,120
is going to get more energy, so it banks in that direction.

592
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:12,000
It's kind of like in a helicopter,

593
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,440
in the swash plate of a helicopter,

594
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,260
when you want to bank to the left,

595
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:20,220
you create more deflection in the main rotor on the right side

596
00:53:20,220 --> 00:53:21,940
so that it begins to bank to the right,

597
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,340
or bank to the left, excuse me.

598
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,180
So it's kind of the same principle.

599
00:53:25,780 --> 00:53:27,600
Then you have an oxygen supply

600
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,380
that's strapped to the lower part of the central column,

601
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:32,340
down here in the lower part of the crew compartment.

602
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,220
You have a much larger set of oxygen tanks.

603
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,760
And these are all protruded vessels, by the way.

604
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,940
There's no steel or aluminum in terms of the oxygen supply in the vehicle.

605
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,440
There was also a pair of oxygen tanks under the seat,

606
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,840
and that was assuming that maybe you had to eject, you know,

607
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:53,580
when you're at 25,000 or 30,000 feet

608
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:55,460
and you needed some air to get you from up there

609
00:53:55,460 --> 00:53:59,180
down to the place where you'd actually be able to breathe ambient air.

610
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,640
I said, well, were there windows?

611
00:54:00,860 --> 00:54:01,740
No, there weren't any windows.

612
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,340
He said there was a thing called a synthetic vision system.

613
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:09,540
And he said there were six or seven of these little plastic bubbles

614
00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:12,760
around the top of this thing, one on the very top in the center,

615
00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:16,080
and then maybe six around about halfway up

616
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,120
from where the ledge was to the very top,

617
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,020
and they were spaced at even distances.

618
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,780
And he said in each one there was a little CCD camera.

619
00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:27,940
So the synthetic vision system was set up so they would take two cameras,

620
00:54:28,420 --> 00:54:32,300
and it would have a converging point of focus in those two cameras

621
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:35,160
so that it would just be like looking through a set of binoculars

622
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,940
so you'd have a left and a right eye view,

623
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:39,560
and it would give you a three-dimensional view outside the vehicle,

624
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:40,640
but with no windows.

625
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,140
And the reason for that apparently was that this aircraft was using extremely high voltages,

626
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,420
and the voltages would ionize the air around the vehicle so much

627
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:52,360
that it would start producing X-ray photons, which are absolutely lethal.

628
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,300
So you have to have basically a barrier to protect yourself.

629
00:54:55,300 --> 00:55:01,760
You also have a robotic arm that seems to be blended in with a composite fairing

630
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,560
sitting right on the top surface of the capacitor array

631
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:12,800
that has the ability to extend outward with a little air-driven claw that's on the end of it.

632
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:17,360
In fact, I think that the Kraft's magnetic field or electromagnetic field

633
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,640
is probably so powerful that conventional little electric motors

634
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,120
probably wouldn't work in this kind of an application.

635
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,900
Where they took the panels off the side of the aircraft

636
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:30,380
is that they had Zeus fasteners that were these little, like, quick spin-lock things

637
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:31,800
that they put on there to hold the panels.

638
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,280
The panels are all like a fiberglass material. It's all composite.

639
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:40,280
The entire vehicle appeared to be covered with what he's referred to as a goopy lead paint.

640
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,520
It looked like little flecks of lead that had been suspended as kind of a resonant

641
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,600
and just painted haphazardly over the outside of everything on the vehicle,

642
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,960
with the possible exception of the door itself.

643
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,240
And these little blisters that house the synthetic vision system.

644
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,000
So why would it be goopy lead paint?

645
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:02,540
Well, the theory is that the electrostatic field created by this huge capacitor array

646
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:06,580
and the ionization that occurs just because of the propulsion system

647
00:56:06,580 --> 00:56:10,840
might be enough to create a level of ionization around the Kraft

648
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,440
that's high enough that it would produce X-ray photons of its own accord.

649
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:21,500
And so you would want to be able to protect the pilot and the crew members from that radiation.

650
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,360
So anyway, that's the general overview of the structure of the vehicle.

651
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:30,360
This is a vehicle that has the ability to travel up to or beyond the speed of light.

652
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,240
And part of the reason that it's able to do that is because it exploits the energy form

653
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:39,740
that's embedded in space-time that's responsible for the effects of mass and inertia.

654
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:48,180
So here we have a configuration of various components,

655
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,380
creating a system that's somehow capable of producing and maintaining

656
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:57,280
an insane amount of energy in a concentrated field around the vehicle.

657
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,480
This field can be precisely controlled by the pilot with the aid of a basic throttle,

658
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,160
an alien steering ball, and a bunch of casino cameras.

659
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,700
There's plenty of on-board oxygen, handy if you're off the planet,

660
00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:13,960
and a lead coating so the occupants don't get fried in their seats.

661
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:17,960
And a robot arm, in case you need a robot arm somewhere.

662
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,960
It looks like a big clumsy diving bell from 1905,

663
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,060
but apparently works like a helicopter you can take past light speed.

664
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,040
Its beauty and elegance lie in the propulsion system,

665
00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:33,860
maybe a really, really fast one that gets around currently accepted physics,

666
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:36,660
one we commonly associate with UFOs.

667
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,480
For anybody who has followed the work of Einstein, or just basic physics,

668
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:49,020
one of the sort of inviolable rules of physics is that there's no material object

669
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,000
that can actually go faster than speed of light.

670
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:55,900
So, somehow or other, and I'm not saying we got this from aliens,

671
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,820
but they did call it the alien reproduction vehicle,

672
00:57:57,820 --> 00:58:02,500
but somehow or other, this simple system that Brad described in these diagrams

673
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:04,200
was able to do this.

674
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:16,580
So, I, you know, I began looking at the scientific literature.

675
00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:20,720
I was looking at this scalar energy.

676
00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:23,480
Anything I could find on zero-point energy, scalar energy,

677
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:25,960
quantum zero-point fluctuations of the vacuum,

678
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,620
I think is the more technical physics term that they use in the literature.

679
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:32,980
And it turned out that there really were scientific papers

680
00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:36,040
that were being published by a number of different scientists,

681
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:39,900
Hal Puthoff, Bernard Heche, Alfonso Rueda,

682
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,940
who just happened to work at Lockheed Scumworks, by the way.

683
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,540
So, I started noticing the names and where they worked

684
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:48,800
and what they knew, what they were talking, what they were publishing.

685
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:53,580
And it occurred to me that, you know, maybe these are people who have some insider.

686
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:55,780
So, I started looking at that.

687
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,020
I started looking at the things and how Puthoff had said.

688
00:58:58,020 --> 00:59:05,160
In the middle of last century, physicists made an astounding discovery.

689
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,020
And that is what we ordinarily consider empty space isn't empty at all.

690
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,500
Even if you go to the far reaches of outer space,

691
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,000
it turns out that rather than emptiness,

692
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:19,860
what we call the vacuum is really a seething cauldron

693
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:23,500
of what we call quantum energy or zero-point energy.

694
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,000
Zero-point just simply means that

695
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,380
even if you froze the entire universe down to absolute zero,

696
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,860
froze out all motion where everything would be as quiet as you could possibly get it,

697
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,560
this energy is still there.

698
00:59:36,580 --> 00:59:39,780
It was predicted by the mathematics of quantum theory,

699
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,680
but the numbers were so large,

700
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,820
for example, there's enough energy in the volume of a coffee cup

701
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:47,880
to evaporate the world's oceans,

702
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,060
it was thought, well, this must be some kind of artifact in the theory.

703
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,180
But as time went on,

704
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,700
various predictions in quantum theory were verified in the laboratory,

705
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,200
and it finally turned out we had to take these numbers seriously.

706
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,380
So I opened up a correspondence with Hal Puthoff,

707
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:11,200
and he was very gracious in taking time to talk to me on the phone,

708
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:17,060
send me copies of the peer-reviewed papers that he had published

709
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:20,760
in physics review, physics A, physics B,

710
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,680
and, you know, I couldn't understand the mathematics

711
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,060
with all these Greek symbols,

712
01:00:27,580 --> 01:00:31,140
and, I mean, it was really advanced theoretical stuff,

713
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,280
but what I was able to follow were the paragraphs

714
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,520
that were before and after the equation

715
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,320
that explained what all the math was talking about.

716
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,740
And so as I went through these papers,

717
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,240
and I would talk to Hal,

718
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,240
he would explain to me,

719
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,420
well, this means that this is a certain process,

720
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,500
a polarization process that happens in the vacuum of space-time,

721
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:51,920
and when you do that, you have this kind of phenomenon,

722
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,720
and when you do that, you have this other phenomenon.

723
01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:57,600
And the papers that he wrote started to indicate

724
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,480
the zero-point energy that's embedded in the environment.

725
01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:06,240
It's responsible for the effects of inertia and gravity and mass,

726
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:10,220
and the reason why, as you accelerate through space-time,

727
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,120
the mass of your vehicle increases.

728
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:20,560
So, in a sense, if you find the right way to do it,

729
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,100
you can actually sort of reduce the mass of an object,

730
01:01:23,260 --> 01:01:24,200
and if you can do that,

731
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:26,680
then, of course, it takes less propulsive force

732
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:27,640
to push it around.

733
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:29,800
It means that it can go a lot faster

734
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,920
because it's not limited by the amount of mass

735
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,080
that it increases to as it accelerates.

736
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,540
In fact, it may, in fact, be a situation

737
01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:41,060
where the faster you go,

738
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:42,660
the more energy you have available

739
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:45,600
to continue the acceleration process,

740
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,620
and at the same time,

741
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:49,340
the mass is becoming relatively less and less and less.

742
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,360
So it really enables the possibility

743
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,100
of being able to go faster in the speed of light

744
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:55,700
without violating general relativity,

745
01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:58,020
and that was the most fascinating aspect of the whole thing.

746
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:00,140
You're drawing energy from the environment,

747
01:02:00,140 --> 01:02:02,160
and in the process of doing that,

748
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:06,260
you're enabling the craft to not only demass itself,

749
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,680
but use, basically, conserve energy

750
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,300
by using the flux in the vacuum of space-time

751
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:16,140
as the power source for your propulsion system.

752
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:18,520
So, literally, the faster you go,

753
01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:20,300
the more energy you have available

754
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:22,480
that you convert into propulsive force,

755
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:25,620
and the lower the relative mass of the vehicle becomes.

756
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,640
So it's actually sort of an inversely proportional

757
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:28,720
kind of a relationship.

758
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,400
Most scientists, with an instant response,

759
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,460
would think on special relativity terms

760
01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:39,040
and say, well, the velocity of light is a limitation.

761
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:40,640
You can't go fast at the speed of light,

762
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:45,440
and therefore, to conceive of us exploring stars

763
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,580
or other people coming here,

764
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,380
it's just too far.

765
01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:52,320
They just can't get from here to there.

766
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,140
We might explore our own solar system,

767
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,760
but that's probably as far as we're going to get.

768
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,720
But the truth of the matter is that,

769
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,940
in general relativity, that's not the case.

770
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,260
There are options there.

771
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,160
That limitation now has begun to evaporate

772
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,180
due to the new understandings and predictions

773
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:10,280
coming out of general relativity.

774
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:11,740
So that's not the issue.

775
01:03:11,740 --> 01:03:14,660
And so I'm starting to learn about the technology

776
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:18,380
and how it might be playing a role

777
01:03:18,380 --> 01:03:20,280
in the function of this craft.

778
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,860
The craft, of course, had oxygen tanks and stuff,

779
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:25,500
and so it really suggested that the thing

780
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:26,860
was capable of going out into space.

781
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,240
The idea was that somehow this vehicle

782
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,780
is able to sort of skirt the law

783
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:36,340
in a way that allows it to do these things

784
01:03:36,340 --> 01:03:37,380
that are unheard of.

785
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:57,720
That's how the fuel of it is.

786
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:27,700
Thank you.

787
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:49,120
Well, I understood that, you know, there were probably, you know, some kind of a powerful electrostatic field involved with the capacitor ray.

788
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:55,200
There was obviously an electromagnetic field that was forming around this ring of wire that ran around the crew compartment.

789
01:04:55,540 --> 01:05:03,620
And that would form a kind of donut-shaped or toroid-shaped electromagnetic field with field lines stroking right through the middle of the craft,

790
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,540
which happened to be where there was this large central column.

791
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:11,560
Now, the central column was supposed to be the most secret part of the vehicle.

792
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:16,380
Brad didn't seem to know too much about that, but he said that it used mercury in some form.

793
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:19,720
He thought it might use it as a noble gas, vaporized mercury.

794
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:26,060
The mercury, based on a number of accounts, appears to circulate in a kind of a closed-loop system

795
01:05:26,060 --> 01:05:33,360
that runs down through the cylinder in the middle and then back up in the space between the inner cylinder and the outer cylinder.

796
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,080
And there's a counter-rotation kind of a mechanism that's occurring there, too.

797
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,460
And at the midpoint is this thing that looks like a flywheel.

798
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:48,020
But in effect, what I think it's actually, its actual function is similar to what's called a homopolar generator,

799
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:54,400
where you can use the centrifugal forces of a disc, a conducting metal disc that's spinning,

800
01:05:54,740 --> 01:06:00,320
to actually throw the electrons in the material out to the edge where they can be literally tapped off

801
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,180
with something that looks like a brush that has conductive bristles.

802
01:06:05,180 --> 01:06:12,920
Now, I believe that what happens is that this vehicle develops probably several million volts of voltage.

803
01:06:14,420 --> 01:06:22,620
And the sheer power of the electrostatic field that is created in this capacitor ray

804
01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:27,960
actually has the ability to polarize the surrounding spacetime.

805
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:34,160
And it polarizes the so-called zero-point energy that is embedded in the spacetime.

806
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,540
So it creates kind of a positive and a negative aspect to the status of that zero-point energy

807
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:41,820
that's surrounding the vehicle.

808
01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:46,180
So just to kind of give a little background, the idea of a space warp works on the principle

809
01:06:46,180 --> 01:06:52,020
of expanding and contracting space in such a way that allows you to go somewhere very, very quickly.

810
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,160
What this does is it leads to something that was described by McKellogg-Cuvieri

811
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:03,120
in his 1994 paper on warp drive, the creation of a warp drive that would not violate general relativity.

812
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:11,540
And one of the things that he was suggesting was that you would be able to engineer a vector

813
01:07:11,540 --> 01:07:16,760
or a pair of vectors in spacetime that would, on the one hand,

814
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,940
cause a compression of spacetime ahead of the vehicle

815
01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:22,820
and an expansion of spacetime behind the vehicle.

816
01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:27,080
And that there would be an intervening space between those two phenomenon

817
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:32,220
that would pretty much peg your sense of gravity, your sense of inertia,

818
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:36,620
to the environment that you departed from when you initiated this movement.

819
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:43,260
So, in essence, what you have is you have a spherical event horizon around this particular region

820
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:46,600
that might be called a dynamically engineered local spacetime.

821
01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:55,180
And this particular region is set up in such a way that it creates these influences

822
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:59,940
in the surrounding metric in such a way that it also creates a vector that goes in this direction.

823
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,300
And so it's kind of like having, it's almost like having a black hole ahead of you

824
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,760
and an expansion of spacetime behind you.

825
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,820
But the actual environmental conditions that you experience inside the spacecraft

826
01:08:12,820 --> 01:08:17,020
are pretty much pegged to the time and place that you start out from.

827
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:22,640
So you don't have any sense of g-forces or being moved around.

828
01:08:22,820 --> 01:08:29,880
You don't have any sense of acceleration because the entire pocket of spacetime

829
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,660
that you're encapsulated in is being accelerated by the vectors that are created around the system.

830
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:37,080
So it's uniformly accelerated.

831
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:44,180
The spacetime pocket that you've created, the vehicle itself, the crew, the cargo,

832
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,840
everything is moved as one complete package.

833
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:48,840
And so there's no sense of acceleration.

834
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,120
But what it allows for, according to Alcubierry's calculations,

835
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,980
is what he was calling an arbitrarily large speed,

836
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,780
which suggests something in excess of the speed of light at superluminal speeds.

837
01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:04,400
So to the person that's inside the vehicle,

838
01:09:04,540 --> 01:09:12,640
it may appear that you begin to accelerate away from a particular location.

839
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,380
But to the person who's standing outside the disturbed region of spacetime,

840
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:20,380
it looks as though you just were gone, just, you know, in an instant.

841
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:25,280
So this is an ARV, isn't that what it's called?

842
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,540
That's what some people call it.

843
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:32,280
We call it RAM, replication alien machine.

844
01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:32,960
Oh, I see.

845
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:40,260
Many highly credible reports of UFOs share a few key descriptions of how these crafts behave.

846
01:09:40,460 --> 01:09:44,760
They appear to have the ability to accelerate to extremely high velocities at will,

847
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,200
far faster than any man-made craft,

848
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:50,500
as if the speed of light maybe isn't any big deal.

849
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:53,380
They can stop on a dime and turn at random angles,

850
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,420
while traveling at these crazy speeds,

851
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,420
like the forces of mass and inertia,

852
01:09:57,740 --> 01:10:00,000
which would flatten anyone in a normal situation,

853
01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:01,660
also aren't a problem.

854
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:03,640
And they're silent,

855
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:07,840
without any visible rockets, jets, or exhaust of any kind,

856
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,100
like they're pulling the energy they use out of thin air.

857
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:22,920
All apparently standard in the mid-80s model flux liner.

858
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,300
This makes the ARV a seriously badass means of getting around,

859
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:31,080
and kind of a missing link between Roswell and one of these.

860
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:39,080
Once we retrieved, back in the 30s and 40s and 50s,

861
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,140
several of these extraterrestrial vehicles,

862
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:42,960
and began to study them,

863
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,080
we combined that knowledge with knowledge we already had.

864
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:50,420
Because remember, we had some people like T. Townsend Brown,

865
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,960
who were studying anti-gravity,

866
01:10:53,380 --> 01:10:54,940
quite independent of this issue,

867
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:57,100
back in the 20s, 30s, and 40s.

868
01:10:57,100 --> 01:11:01,300
But when their information got combined with studying these spacecraft,

869
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:04,400
they figured out, ah, this is how they're working.

870
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,900
And according to the latest revelations in quantum physics,

871
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:11,860
all this is possible by tapping into the sea of raw energy

872
01:11:11,860 --> 01:11:13,900
we're all just floating around in.

873
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,760
There's plenty of energy in the pure raw vacuum.

874
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,820
The new physics, since quantum mechanics,

875
01:11:19,340 --> 01:11:21,240
the vacuum is a source of energy,

876
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,080
but it's a peculiar kind of energy.

877
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:24,780
Let me explain the peculiar kind.

878
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:28,720
When a bird flies in and sits on a power line,

879
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,920
he sits on a very high potential.

880
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:33,240
But between his two feet,

881
01:11:33,340 --> 01:11:35,180
he has no potential difference, no voltage.

882
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,540
And so even though from the line to the ground,

883
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:41,120
it may be 100 million volts,

884
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,660
the little bird can sit very happily

885
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:48,020
with his feet on this supposed 100 million volt line,

886
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:50,260
and he has no volts across his body.

887
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:51,740
He's very happy and doesn't even know it.

888
01:11:51,740 --> 01:11:54,940
Let him touch one of his feet

889
01:11:54,940 --> 01:11:58,300
to the slightest thing that has the slightest difference there,

890
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,720
and he'll fry it to a greasy spot.

891
01:12:00,260 --> 01:12:02,260
Now, in the vacuum, we have the same thing.

892
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,380
We have an extremely high potential or charge of the vacuum,

893
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,180
but we're immersed in the vacuum.

894
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:09,420
So they were modeling the universe

895
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:16,660
as being sort of this empty, material-free environment

896
01:12:16,660 --> 01:12:19,560
that had this energy that was embedded in it,

897
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,240
almost like a fluid in a way

898
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,780
that it had all of this potential

899
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:27,120
that you couldn't see until you found a way

900
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,180
of driving it out of this homogenous sort of state of equilibrium

901
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:33,700
and getting to do usable work.

902
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:36,700
I'm trying to remember exactly how I met Tom.

903
01:12:36,860 --> 01:12:42,940
I think we met at a UFO congress in Laughlin, Nevada

904
01:12:42,940 --> 01:12:43,640
for the first time.

905
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,360
We'd been corresponding for quite a while.

906
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:48,040
Now, what is zero-point energy?

907
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,380
I'm going to show you many different definitions,

908
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:53,760
but let me quote Nikola Tesla.

909
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,860
In 1891, the world's greatest electrical futurist,

910
01:12:57,980 --> 01:12:59,960
Nikola Tesla, stated, quote,

911
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:02,240
Throughout space, there is energy.

912
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:05,220
Is this energy static or kinetic?

913
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:08,220
If static, our hopes are in vain.

914
01:13:09,020 --> 01:13:11,800
If kinetic, and we know for certain it is,

915
01:13:12,340 --> 01:13:14,420
then it is a mere question of time

916
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:17,520
when men will succeed in attaching their machinery

917
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,320
to the very wheelwork of nature.

918
01:13:20,620 --> 01:13:22,180
Many generations may pass,

919
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,460
but in time our machinery will be driven

920
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:27,960
by a power obtainable at any point in the universe.

921
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,440
And so there, ladies and gentlemen,

922
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:34,620
is the basic birth of the concept of zero-point energy.

923
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:35,340
Thank you.

924
01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:42,380
The real issue becomes,

925
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:46,980
you know, is this new technology

926
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:49,840
something that's so advanced and so far out there

927
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:56,640
that it's really beyond the scope of our modern civilization?

928
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,680
Is this something that's so hard to achieve

929
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:04,700
that it requires such a tremendous amount of development

930
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:07,620
that it would cause the economy to collapse?

931
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:16,120
Or is it a real threat to existing forms of energy

932
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,740
like oil, coal, nuclear, wind power?

933
01:14:20,740 --> 01:14:45,120
By the mid-50s,

934
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,140
they knew that this would be the end of the oil cartels

935
01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:52,940
and the international financial petrodollar system.

936
01:14:53,540 --> 01:14:54,820
And this is very important.

937
01:14:54,940 --> 01:14:56,700
It means that we, homo sapiens,

938
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,680
have the ability to access this so-called zero-point field of energy,

939
01:15:00,820 --> 01:15:03,100
which is the ambient field of energy

940
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,300
from which all matter and energy is fluxing,

941
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:07,540
and can access that energy

942
01:15:07,540 --> 01:15:09,960
and generate all the power we need to run this planet

943
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,600
without fossil fuels or pollution.

944
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,840
So this stuff really works?

945
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:16,040
Certainly does.

946
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:17,480
Oh, well, lots of luck!

947
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:32,020
Technologies connected to UFO and extraterrestrial vehicles,

948
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,840
if declassified and used for peaceful energy generation and propulsion,

949
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,880
would solve the looming energy crisis definitively,

950
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,200
would end global warming,

951
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:48,980
would correct the environmental challenges that the Earth is facing.

952
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,740
When I got involved with Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project,

953
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:54,860
I was very excited.

954
01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,040
And it was an opportunity to go to Washington

955
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,980
and maybe have an opportunity to talk to some real-life politicians

956
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:06,980
about what the potential of this technology might be.

957
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:14,880
I was really hopeful that we would see some kind of a door open publicly

958
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:20,080
and that the government would show that it was willing to have a conversation,

959
01:16:20,260 --> 01:16:22,700
a dialogue about the technology.

960
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:45,160
September 11th basically knocked May 9th off the radar, permanently.

961
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,140
But it didn't lessen the potential importance of the spring conference

962
01:16:49,140 --> 01:16:50,740
or the issues involved.

963
01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:53,900
It did, however, allow the Bush administration

964
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:58,260
to spend a trillion dollars of our money on a war based on lies.

965
01:17:01,060 --> 01:17:05,200
So, getting together with Dr. Greer, going to Washington, D.C.,

966
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:06,960
was exhilarating.

967
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:08,540
Met a lot of interesting people.

968
01:17:09,060 --> 01:17:13,100
And it made it clear to me that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes

969
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,320
than anybody can imagine.

970
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:22,280
I mean, just the sheer volume of the stories and the accounts,

971
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,120
the experiences that these people have had.

972
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:30,060
When taken as a whole, you can see that there's this whole other level of things going on

973
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:31,280
that nobody knows about.

974
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:36,760
And there's a handful of people that may have an awareness, an overview of all that.

975
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,520
But how it's affected me, well, that's a good question.

976
01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:47,220
Because, you know, I can think of a lot of things that have happened to me

977
01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:53,860
that, you know, if I didn't sit down and seriously analyze all the facts,

978
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,600
I might be able to attribute it or blame it on, you know,

979
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:01,000
talking about flying saucers, talking about the alien reproduction vehicle.

980
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,880
So when I finally did get around to making a copy of this original drawing

981
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,020
in the form of blueprint, I sent a copy to Brad.

982
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,840
And one of the first things that he said to me on the phone was,

983
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,420
and he wasn't kidding when he said this.

984
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:18,100
He said, you know, Mark, he says,

985
01:18:18,180 --> 01:18:21,380
this drawing is about as accurate as you can get.

986
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:25,040
He says, every detail, every aspect of it is right on the money.

987
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,220
He said, it is so accurate in every way.

988
01:18:27,220 --> 01:18:32,040
He says, this has to be probably one of the most dangerous illustrations you've ever done in your life.

989
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,120
And he says, and if you're smart, he says, you'll tear up the original,

990
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,560
you'll throw it away, and you'll never talk about it again.

991
01:18:37,820 --> 01:18:43,940
When it was all done, the CIA, one of the CIA men told the people they were now sworn to secrecy

992
01:18:43,940 --> 01:18:47,620
that this meeting never happened and this event never happened.

993
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,720
You don't necessarily write anything down.

994
01:18:50,020 --> 01:18:50,960
You don't write anything down.

995
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,140
And you keep it to yourself.

996
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,120
It's a need-to-know basis only.

997
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,320
Well, I thought, gee, this is something that we have to keep quiet,

998
01:18:58,460 --> 01:19:00,220
and that was verified by the chief of security.

999
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:07,040
So I got the feeling that somebody was monitoring my activity,

1000
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,700
and there was one point at which I wasn't home at the time.

1001
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:12,400
The phone rings.

1002
01:19:12,500 --> 01:19:17,380
My girlfriend, Michelle, picks up the phone, and a voice says to Michelle,

1003
01:19:18,220 --> 01:19:21,120
you better tell your boyfriend to stop doing what he's doing

1004
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,120
or he's going to be in really deep trouble.

1005
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,360
And, you know, then I didn't.

1006
01:19:25,580 --> 01:19:28,940
One by one, I lost all my defense clients as a conceptual artist.

1007
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:33,200
And it could have been attributed to my involvement with the Disclosure Project.

1008
01:19:33,380 --> 01:19:37,380
It could just be that I'm an actual artist with paints and brushes,

1009
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,780
and I don't work with computers like, you know, some experts that I know.

1010
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,960
And it may be because there were a lot of people that didn't want to be associated

1011
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:48,140
with somebody who talked about flying saucers and anti-gravity and aliens and all that kind of stuff.

1012
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:53,280
The reason it's called alien reproduction vehicle is that it's based on the study of extraterrestrial vehicles,

1013
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:59,300
but it is manufactured by human, military intelligence, aerospace contracting arrangements.

1014
01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:04,340
We have studied specifically extraterrestrial vehicles which have been retrieved.

1015
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,380
The breakthroughs in that research have led to applications that have led to the building of this

1016
01:20:09,380 --> 01:20:12,320
and similar anti-gravity devices.

1017
01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:18,420
I mean, you can understand how corporations and Brad told me that it had a big impact on his life

1018
01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:22,220
because when his name started popping up on the Internet associated with the ARV story,

1019
01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:25,260
there were a lot of his Japanese clients that wouldn't have anything to do with him

1020
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:31,140
because they did not want any of that kind of reputation-tarnishing information

1021
01:20:31,140 --> 01:20:33,280
associated with their product and their brand.

1022
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:40,720
And so, you know, he did everything he could, and I've minimized, you know, my mentioning of his name

1023
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:46,440
except where it comes to, you know, historical documentation of what's happened to him and I and other people I know.

1024
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:53,260
But I feel terrible in some respects because, you know, I was encouraged by Dr. Greer to name names on camera

1025
01:20:53,260 --> 01:21:00,780
and I wasn't ever really sure what doing that meant in terms of protecting identities or protecting people

1026
01:21:00,780 --> 01:21:05,940
other than making some footnote in history that this person came forward, said something,

1027
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:08,060
and then whatever happened, happened.

1028
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:12,880
I had threats on the phone, I had the IRS come up and take all my money, take all my cars.

1029
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,200
In fact, that's what happened to a guy in Canada.

1030
01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:23,040
He had a machine the size of a shoebox that was supposed to put out enough power to power your home,

1031
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,420
and it was very unusual.

1032
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,140
Well, he was very open.

1033
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:30,820
He would give demonstrations.

1034
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,420
He wanted some investor to give him a million dollars to sell the rights,

1035
01:21:34,580 --> 01:21:36,240
and, you know, he was doing all the wrong things.

1036
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,260
Sure, of course.

1037
01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:46,320
And then one day they came with a SWAT team, surrounded his house, confiscated all his machines,

1038
01:21:47,340 --> 01:21:52,000
put him in jail, and said, if you want to get out of jail,

1039
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:57,400
you have to sign this paper that says you'll not work in this technology any further.

1040
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:04,440
So the pretense of why they arrested him, they claimed that he was harboring weapons of mass destruction,

1041
01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:06,380
terrorism weapons.

1042
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:10,520
They create a very time-stable pattern.

1043
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,400
It's sort of like, look...

1044
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:15,400
Again, 14 times.

1045
01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:19,380
By the way, Mel, what's your phone number you're calling from?

1046
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:20,440
Maybe...

1047
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:20,700
Yes.

1048
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,080
We should write that down.

1049
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:29,980
Okay, because they find it's coming from your end, not from here.

1050
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,160
Something out of the West Coast is causing this.

1051
01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:32,900
Okay.

1052
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:35,360
You might check that out with the police over there.

1053
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,740
I noticed clicking on my phone.

1054
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,020
I'd call someone, and my voice would be echoing.

1055
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:44,840
There were all these weird sounds, like someone else was hanging up the phone after I'd say goodbye,

1056
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,280
but I wouldn't hang up, you know.

1057
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,020
So I had the feeling that I was being watched, you know.

1058
01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:51,720
I started feeling like maybe I was being followed, you know.

1059
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,240
There were just, you know, things, you know, cars that would make a number of turns,

1060
01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:58,680
and then, you know, when you look at them, they'd turn off, you know, and that kind of stuff.

1061
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:03,380
And you've actually heard a couple different stories about people being shut down

1062
01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:05,460
when they're trying to implement this thing.

1063
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,000
Or killed.

1064
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:06,620
Or killed.

1065
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:07,100
Yeah.

1066
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:12,320
I mean, there's many times I lay awake at night with my 9mm under my pillow,

1067
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:15,860
he loaded, and I wonder why they haven't killed me.

1068
01:23:16,180 --> 01:23:17,080
You know, I honestly do.

1069
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:24,080
There's evidence to suggest it's dangerous to become successful in the area of applied zero-point energy,

1070
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:27,460
cold fusion, or related free energy technologies.

1071
01:23:28,180 --> 01:23:30,580
Or it can at least lead to very bad luck.

1072
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,680
Professor Stefan Marinoff,

1073
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:38,620
Founder and Director of the Institute of Fundamental Physics in Graz, Austria,

1074
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,440
was the de facto leader of the European free energy movement.

1075
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,700
He fell out of a high window in 1997.

1076
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:47,720
Eugene Maloff,

1077
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,000
an eminent physicist and expert in cold fusion,

1078
01:23:51,380 --> 01:23:53,800
who apparently had working tabletop devices,

1079
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:58,220
was beaten to death in 2004 at the height of his career

1080
01:23:58,220 --> 01:24:01,720
and the day before a public announcement of his findings.

1081
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,520
Erie M. de Goisse,

1082
01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:07,960
an inventor of a patented revolutionary clean energy technology

1083
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,160
associated with the zero-point field,

1084
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:14,460
was found nearly dead in his car at an airport in 2007

1085
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:16,580
and died a short time later.

1086
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,500
He missed his flight to Europe,

1087
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,120
where he was about to obtain substantial funding for his work.

1088
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,100
Then there's Mark Tomian,

1089
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:28,460
a brilliant physicist and inventor of the patented star drive,

1090
01:24:28,780 --> 01:24:31,340
a system remarkably similar to the ARVs

1091
01:24:31,340 --> 01:24:33,340
in its use of zero-point energy

1092
01:24:33,340 --> 01:24:35,660
and related spaceflight applications.

1093
01:24:36,380 --> 01:24:39,560
He and McCandlish had corresponded numerous times

1094
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,380
before his unexpected death in his home in 2009.

1095
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,320
This was two weeks after the successful trial

1096
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:50,560
of a working prototype for a key component of his system.

1097
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,280
And if I woke up tomorrow on the other side of the veil,

1098
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:57,680
I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.

1099
01:24:57,940 --> 01:24:58,780
I really wouldn't.

1100
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,580
Because I know how serious the technology is.

1101
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:02,480
I know that it's real.

1102
01:25:02,580 --> 01:25:05,560
The storyline basically is that there's a lot of work going on

1103
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:10,720
in the aerospace industry that would indicate

1104
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,400
that we have black projects that have gone even darker

1105
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,740
and that there's work being done on electrogravitic,

1106
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,640
on scalar technology, et cetera,

1107
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,820
that we don't even think that those in Congress

1108
01:25:27,820 --> 01:25:31,400
or even in the military that approve black budgets are aware of.

1109
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:36,400
I've seen copies of inter-office correspondence

1110
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:40,760
among defense contractors that openly stated

1111
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,700
that they felt the technology was a fundamental enabling technology,

1112
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:49,900
that it had all kinds of different defense applications,

1113
01:25:50,060 --> 01:25:53,460
but it also had a lot of serious civilian applications

1114
01:25:53,460 --> 01:25:55,680
that would be beneficial to humanity as a whole,

1115
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:56,440
to the environment.

1116
01:25:56,440 --> 01:26:01,900
It seems obvious that someone, perhaps a group,

1117
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,580
maybe some kind of a rogue civilization within our society

1118
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:07,840
has captured the technology.

1119
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,860
They're exploiting it for their own aims,

1120
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:12,840
for their own interests, whatever those might be.

1121
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:17,040
There's not a sliver of doubt in my mind that it exists,

1122
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,040
that it's being exploited in some way,

1123
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,040
whether it's for intelligence collection,

1124
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,580
whether it's for logistical support,

1125
01:26:24,580 --> 01:26:29,280
whether it's for retrieval of raw materials from the asteroid belt.

1126
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:31,860
I have no idea why or what it's used for.

1127
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,960
All I know is that it's extremely advanced.

1128
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:35,400
It's being used more and more.

1129
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:41,120
I can only say that all the people who've sought to figure out

1130
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,980
what's going on using the Freedom of Information Act

1131
01:26:43,980 --> 01:26:47,120
have kind of overlooked the fact

1132
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,340
that if this was a purely corporate endeavor

1133
01:26:49,340 --> 01:26:51,680
and not a government-sanctioned endeavor

1134
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,440
that it may be one way in which the technology

1135
01:26:56,440 --> 01:27:00,100
can be completely overlooked

1136
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:04,580
and skirt the reach of the Freedom of Information Act.

1137
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,080
Because if it's considered trade secret

1138
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,340
or corporate property, so to speak,

1139
01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:12,780
or controlled by corporations,

1140
01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:16,160
it may be possible that they could keep this secret

1141
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:17,360
for a very long time.

1142
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,500
Even with people actively in the government

1143
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:21,840
that know that it exists

1144
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,660
and maybe have contact with some of these corporate officials

1145
01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:25,960
that control the technology.

1146
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:31,520
So you're kind of left with a big question mark

1147
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,960
as to where's all this advanced technology going

1148
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,180
and what's it being used for?

1149
01:27:36,180 --> 01:27:39,080
You know, I mean, if there was somebody

1150
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,540
that had this sort of interstellar trade program

1151
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:44,940
going on with another civilization, you know,

1152
01:27:44,980 --> 01:27:46,120
that would be very interesting,

1153
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,760
but I can't understand why they would want to keep that quiet.

1154
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,700
I mean, it would seem like such a mind-expanding,

1155
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:53,940
enlightening thing for people to know about.

1156
01:27:54,420 --> 01:27:56,220
Maybe we'd stop shooting at each other

1157
01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:58,320
and start thinking about how can we get along

1158
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,240
with the people on, you know, stars or star systems,

1159
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,220
you know, that are around us.

1160
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:06,180
So, it's hard to say.

1161
01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:14,820
The outer edge of this large 24-foot diameter disc

1162
01:28:14,820 --> 01:28:17,900
causes the phone to ring.

1163
01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:28,540
Hello. I'm trying to look cool.

1164
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:30,080
Do I look cool?

1165
01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:54,080
Do you think that would be a great question?

1166
01:29:03,220 --> 01:29:05,220
You

1167
01:29:27,060 --> 01:29:29,060
Hey

1168
01:29:33,220 --> 01:29:35,220
You

1169
01:29:42,380 --> 01:29:44,380
Yeah, this is me on camera

1170
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,480
Okay

1171
01:30:03,220 --> 01:30:05,220
You

1172
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:08,540
You

1173
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,520
You

1174
01:30:12,780 --> 01:30:14,780
You

1175
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,040
You

1176
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,200
You

1177
01:30:33,220 --> 01:31:03,200
Thank you.

1178
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:33,200
Thank you.

1179
01:31:33,220 --> 01:32:03,200
Thank you.

1180
01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:33,200
Thank you.

1181
01:32:33,220 --> 01:33:03,200
Thank you.