1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,720 Facebook is filled with spooks. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,180 This idea that they're for free speech or anything, 3 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:08,800 well, let's watch this. 4 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:10,740 They could put out a video and it's kind of funny. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Let's watch. 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:13,860 My name is Aaron. 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,020 I've been with Facebook for two years now. 8 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,420 I'm a product policy manager. 9 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:18,620 What does your job entail? 10 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,660 We're part of the team that writes the rules for Facebook. 11 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,860 If something violates our standards for safety and security, 12 00:00:25,860 --> 00:00:29,040 what Facebook could, should, can do. 13 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:29,480 Please marry. 14 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,220 You and your team are faced with very important decisions, 15 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:34,840 especially when it comes to content. 16 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:37,220 There's very little agreement whether we should be 17 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:40,720 leaving more content up, taking more content down. 18 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,820 With any particular rule or issue that we're looking at, 19 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:45,580 where something has come up, 20 00:00:46,020 --> 00:00:48,220 where the rules are not 100% clear, 21 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:49,840 we're not going to make everybody happy. 22 00:00:49,980 --> 00:00:51,120 How does your team work on that? 23 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Transparency is incredibly important in the work that I do. 24 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,940 How do we think about the balance between harmful content 25 00:00:58,940 --> 00:01:00,100 and protecting from the speech? 26 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:00,900 It's a balance. 27 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:02,560 Does it ever make you feel uncomfortable 28 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,680 to be put in a position where you're having to draw the line? 29 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,560 Yes, and I think it should make me uncomfortable 30 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,100 and all of us who do this work. 31 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,900 If 99% of the people are expressing themselves, 32 00:01:13,060 --> 00:01:15,700 sharing their family photos, exchanging ideas, 33 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:18,400 and 0.001% are encouraging violence 34 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,760 or spreading harmful content, 35 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:21,140 that can ruin the thing for everybody. 36 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:24,080 These decisions can have real effects on people. 37 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:27,540 We are developing rules and policies without regulation. 38 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,740 We're really navigating that space as best we can. 39 00:01:29,740 --> 00:01:32,180 Why would updating regulations help you? 40 00:01:32,260 --> 00:01:33,860 Regulation can help us better define 41 00:01:33,860 --> 00:01:35,220 what is acceptable and what's not. 42 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,200 I think a standardized approach would help platforms 43 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,880 all across the board actually give us guidelines 44 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,480 where right now there's very few. 45 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:43,120 Technology has changed so quickly, 46 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,420 we need the legislative and regulatory space to catch up. 47 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,220 Regulation can help us better define 48 00:01:47,220 --> 00:01:49,160 what the bounds of those rules should be. 49 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:51,880 Jimmy, I like that. 50 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:53,240 He's one of the 40,000. 51 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:54,600 Oh my God. 52 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,320 40,000. 53 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,860 He's one. 54 00:01:56,940 --> 00:01:58,240 Let me back that up a little bit. 55 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,360 You can turn it down. 56 00:02:01,780 --> 00:02:06,240 He is one of the 40,000 people 57 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,340 working on safety and security issues. 58 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:08,940 Hang on. 59 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:14,380 Learn why we support updated internet regulations, 60 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:16,220 including reforming section 230 61 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:18,480 at facebook.com slash regulations. 62 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Now you want to know the spoiler alert on that? 63 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:22,160 That guy sounded like a real decent dude. 64 00:02:22,780 --> 00:02:23,860 Jimmy, before you say that, 65 00:02:23,860 --> 00:02:25,740 I just want to say I really enjoyed 66 00:02:25,740 --> 00:02:27,400 how they kept cutting to his wedding ring. 67 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,760 You know, so that means he has a family and kids. 68 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,700 I trust him more now 69 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:33,020 because he's worried about the things 70 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:33,940 that I'm concerned about. 71 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:34,660 You know? 72 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:38,300 That is exactly why they kept showing his wedding ring. 73 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:38,740 Yeah. 74 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:40,720 They kept showing his wedding ring 75 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,680 to make you think that he's a decent guy 76 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,720 who's into commitment and family. 77 00:02:45,180 --> 00:02:46,720 And if I was on Facebook right now, 78 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,280 I would never be part of that 1% 79 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,540 who would go on there and wish ball cancer on him 80 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:51,580 right after seeing that. 81 00:02:51,580 --> 00:02:55,460 To me, he looked like a pencil neck dipshit 82 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:56,740 climbing the tech twat ladder. 83 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,580 But here we go. 84 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:00,980 I would have gone, 85 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,660 if khaki pants became a person, 86 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,460 it would be that guy. 87 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:04,140 But here we go. 88 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:07,860 I definitely wouldn't call him 89 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:10,220 a craven corporate tool at best. 90 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,740 But here we go. 91 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:14,040 You would never guess 92 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,740 from an official Facebook video 93 00:03:15,740 --> 00:03:16,660 that I just showed you 94 00:03:16,660 --> 00:03:18,960 that that lovely guy was, 95 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,760 until a couple of years ago, 96 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:22,540 one of the most senior people 97 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:24,120 at the CIA. 98 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,140 Now he's deciding 99 00:03:28,140 --> 00:03:29,180 what we all get to see 100 00:03:29,180 --> 00:03:29,920 and don't see 101 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,120 on Facebook. 102 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,840 Now, Jimmy, 103 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:34,680 didn't we have a story 104 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,440 about the CIA 105 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,960 where they had a huge problem 106 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,220 that they don't have to tell us about 107 00:03:39,220 --> 00:03:40,280 where they kept catching people 108 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,380 with child pornography 109 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:42,320 at the CIA? 110 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,100 Oh, that's right. 111 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,100 What's harmful to see 112 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:47,000 on the internet for me. 113 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:47,480 Thank you. 114 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,640 The people who got caught 115 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,500 with child pornography 116 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:50,180 at the CIA 117 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:51,800 never got prosecuted. 118 00:03:52,220 --> 00:03:52,480 No. 119 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:53,840 And I guess 120 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,420 that 121 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:56,900 so he doesn't prosecute pedophiles, 122 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:57,700 but he's going to come 123 00:03:57,700 --> 00:03:58,580 police Facebook 124 00:03:58,580 --> 00:04:00,060 for bad content. 125 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,180 I'm going to guess 126 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:02,240 his calibrator 127 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,680 is a little broken. 128 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Let's move on. 129 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:06,300 Here. 130 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,340 Here's the article 131 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:08,660 that Alex McLeod wrote about. 132 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:08,920 He said, 133 00:04:08,980 --> 00:04:10,600 meet the ex-CIA agents 134 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,240 deciding Facebook's 135 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,560 content policy. 136 00:04:14,660 --> 00:04:15,000 Aaron, 137 00:04:15,140 --> 00:04:16,200 that guy you just saw, 138 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,740 he's CIA. 139 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:20,280 Or at least he was 140 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:21,480 until July 2019 141 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,600 when he left his job 142 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,000 as the Senior Analytic Manager 143 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,440 at the agency 144 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,080 to become 145 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,440 Senior Product Policy Manager 146 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,320 for Misinformation 147 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,820 at Facebook, 148 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,220 now known as Meta. 149 00:04:34,660 --> 00:04:35,560 The company that, 150 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:36,100 oh, blah, blah. 151 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,620 In his 15-year career, 152 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:39,520 Aaron Berman 153 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,660 rose to become 154 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:42,500 a highly influential part 155 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:43,320 of the CIA. 156 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,240 He worked at the CIA 157 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,820 for 15 years. 158 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Oh, my God. 159 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,320 For 15 years. 160 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,220 Senior analyst? 161 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,980 Did he start in high school? 162 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,400 I think he started 163 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,040 when he was four. 164 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:54,860 No kidding. 165 00:04:55,980 --> 00:04:56,580 For years, 166 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:58,160 he prepared and edited 167 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,280 the President 168 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,660 of the United States 169 00:05:00,660 --> 00:05:02,280 Daily Briefing, 170 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,280 writing and overseeing 171 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:06,440 intelligence analysts 172 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,020 to enable the president 173 00:05:08,020 --> 00:05:09,560 and senior U.S. officials 174 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,660 to make decisions 175 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:12,300 on the most critical 176 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:13,880 national security issues, 177 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:14,740 especially on 178 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:15,800 the impact of 179 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,080 influence operations 180 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,400 on social movements, 181 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:19,380 security, 182 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:20,700 and democracy. 183 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:21,840 That's what it says 184 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,220 on his LinkedIn profile. 185 00:05:24,780 --> 00:05:26,700 None of that sounds good. 186 00:05:26,940 --> 00:05:28,540 It all sounds like, 187 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:28,840 wow. 188 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,000 It all sounds the opposite 189 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:30,760 of what you would want 190 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:31,400 for someone who's 191 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,360 a fact checker 192 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,540 or monitoring content 193 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:36,180 on a social media platform. 194 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,600 That'd be like 195 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,580 the last guy you'd want. 196 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,180 By the way, 197 00:05:39,220 --> 00:05:39,940 they never mention 198 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:41,160 any of this information 199 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,080 in that Facebook video. 200 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:45,620 Yes, it was mentioned. 201 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:47,060 He said transparency, 202 00:05:47,060 --> 00:05:47,800 and they believe 203 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:48,660 in transparency 204 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:49,860 and transparency. 205 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:52,080 I think they mean 206 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:52,840 your records 207 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:53,760 will be transparent 208 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,280 to the intelligence apparatus. 209 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:55,800 Yeah, I think 210 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,680 that is what they mean. 211 00:05:57,780 --> 00:05:58,640 Berman's case 212 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,320 is far from unique, 213 00:06:00,420 --> 00:06:00,800 however. 214 00:06:01,620 --> 00:06:03,060 Studying Meta's reports 215 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:03,880 as well as 216 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:04,900 employment websites 217 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:05,780 and databases, 218 00:06:06,340 --> 00:06:07,460 Mint Press has found 219 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:08,700 that Facebook 220 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:09,560 has recruited 221 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,360 dozens of individuals 222 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,420 from the CIA 223 00:06:12,420 --> 00:06:14,200 as well as many more 224 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,260 from the FBI 225 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:16,380 and the Department 226 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:18,520 of F-ing Defense. 227 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,080 These hires 228 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:20,940 are primarily 229 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:22,300 in highly politically 230 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:23,380 sensitive sectors 231 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:24,220 such as trust, 232 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,100 security, 233 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,960 and content moderation 234 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:27,740 to the point 235 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:28,860 where some might feel 236 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:29,960 it becomes difficult 237 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,660 to see where 238 00:06:30,660 --> 00:06:31,480 the United States 239 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,680 national security state 240 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,120 ends 241 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,480 and Facebook 242 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,040 begins. 243 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:38,660 Wow. 244 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,840 That's great news 245 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:40,660 and after staring 246 00:06:40,660 --> 00:06:41,600 into his dead eyes, 247 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:42,660 I feel even better 248 00:06:42,660 --> 00:06:43,580 about my government. 249 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,460 In previous investigations, 250 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:49,580 this author 251 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:51,060 has detailed 252 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:51,820 how TikTok 253 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:52,580 is flooded 254 00:06:52,580 --> 00:06:53,800 with NATO officials, 255 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,160 how former FBI agents 256 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,160 abound on Twitter, 257 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:58,480 and how Reddit 258 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,620 is led by a former 259 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:00,300 war planner 260 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:01,420 from the NATO think tank 261 00:07:01,420 --> 00:07:02,300 the Atlantic Council. 262 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,500 Yeah, Reddit I knew about. 263 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,200 They're even worse. 264 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,340 They've been bad 265 00:07:06,340 --> 00:07:06,840 for a while. 266 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:08,700 Yeah, they started out 267 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:09,440 being great 268 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,120 and then they quickly 269 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,720 got horrible, 270 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:11,300 but 271 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,420 the sheer scale 272 00:07:13,420 --> 00:07:14,420 of infiltration 273 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:15,300 of Facebook 274 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:16,740 blows those 275 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:18,120 other platforms 276 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:18,960 away. 277 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Facebook, 278 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,080 in short, 279 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,000 is utterly 280 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 swarming with spooks. 281 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:25,380 They have the most 282 00:07:25,380 --> 00:07:26,040 spooks 283 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,600 of any social media 284 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,680 platform 285 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,280 in the world. 286 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:31,780 Wow. 287 00:07:31,780 --> 00:07:32,800 Facebook is haunted. 288 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,080 In a political sense, 289 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:36,620 trust, 290 00:07:36,780 --> 00:07:37,100 safety, 291 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:37,920 and misinformation 292 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,340 are the most 293 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:40,260 sensitive parts 294 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:41,380 of Meta's operation. 295 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,460 It is here 296 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:43,380 where decisions 297 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:44,540 about what content 298 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:45,200 is allowed, 299 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:46,500 what will be promoted, 300 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:47,720 and who or what 301 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:48,760 will be suppressed 302 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,580 are made. 303 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:50,500 Guess who gets 304 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:51,020 suppressed? 305 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Me. 306 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,020 Guess whose material 307 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:53,960 doesn't get promoted? 308 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:54,900 Ours. 309 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:55,760 Or anybody 310 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,600 that goes against 311 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,420 the status quo. 312 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:58,740 That's what Facebook 313 00:07:58,740 --> 00:07:59,340 should be called 314 00:07:59,340 --> 00:08:00,380 status quo book. 315 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:01,760 Jimmy, look, 316 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:02,520 the guy's a married 317 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,280 man with kids. 318 00:08:03,340 --> 00:08:03,760 You saw him 319 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:04,380 hold up a picture 320 00:08:04,380 --> 00:08:05,000 of a dog. 321 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,260 He's got stuff 322 00:08:06,260 --> 00:08:06,900 to protect. 323 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:10,140 These decisions 324 00:08:10,140 --> 00:08:11,480 affect what news 325 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,440 and information 326 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,780 billions of people 327 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:14,540 across the world 328 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:15,420 see every day. 329 00:08:15,780 --> 00:08:16,020 Therefore, 330 00:08:16,180 --> 00:08:16,900 those in charge 331 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:17,680 of the algorithms 332 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,940 hold far more power 333 00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:20,000 and influence 334 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,320 over the public sphere 335 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,180 than even editors 336 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:24,940 at the largest 337 00:08:24,940 --> 00:08:26,000 news outlet. 338 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:27,600 So Facebook, 339 00:08:27,860 --> 00:08:28,760 more people get 340 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,840 their news from Facebook, 341 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,620 they get their news 342 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:31,300 from the New York 343 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:33,520 Times or the LA Times 344 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,920 or the Chicago Tribune. 345 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,480 So that guy 346 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,260 you just saw 347 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:38,100 who you don't know 348 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:39,340 and never will see again, 349 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:40,600 he has more power 350 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,220 than the editor 351 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:42,340 of those newspapers. 352 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:43,440 Hey, 353 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:45,300 isn't the CCP 354 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:46,160 in China known 355 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:46,680 for sending 356 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:47,700 a government minder 357 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:49,600 to all the companies? 358 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:49,980 Yes. 359 00:08:50,060 --> 00:08:51,240 We have 40,000 360 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:51,860 at this point. 361 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:53,240 They have 40,000 362 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,420 government minders. 363 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:56,140 That guy 364 00:08:56,140 --> 00:08:56,820 has more power 365 00:08:56,820 --> 00:08:57,900 than the editor 366 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:59,020 at ABC News 367 00:08:59,020 --> 00:08:59,640 or CNN. 368 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,080 Can you imagine 369 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:01,420 having to go 370 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:02,000 to that twerp 371 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,760 to see if it's okay 372 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,380 to say something? 373 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:03,760 Yep. 374 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,420 Oh my God. 375 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:06,700 There are a number 376 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:08,460 of other ex-CIA agents 377 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:09,720 working in these fields. 378 00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:10,620 Deborah Berman, 379 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:11,240 for example, 380 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:12,360 she spent 10 years 381 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,020 as a data 382 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:14,040 and intelligence analyst 383 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:14,640 at the CIA 384 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,000 before recently 385 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,020 being brought on 386 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:17,820 as a trust 387 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:18,940 and safety project 388 00:09:18,940 --> 00:09:19,360 manager 389 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,520 for Facebook. 390 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Little is known 391 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,740 about what she did 392 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:24,600 at the agency 393 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,320 but her pre-agency 394 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,040 publications 395 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:27,720 indicate that 396 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,600 she was a specialist 397 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:29,580 on Syria 398 00:09:29,580 --> 00:09:30,460 meaning she was 399 00:09:30,460 --> 00:09:31,000 a specialist 400 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:31,820 at lying 401 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:32,860 and pushing 402 00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:34,400 pro-war propaganda 403 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,240 for Syria. 404 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,060 So they bring on 405 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:37,320 the biggest liars 406 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,760 to then be the guys 407 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,800 who are in charge 408 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,760 of what is true 409 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:41,380 and false 410 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:42,260 on Facebook. 411 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,300 You couldn't 412 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:44,360 make this up. 413 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Between 2006 414 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,280 and 2010 415 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,460 Brian Weisbarn 416 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:51,120 was a CIA 417 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,160 intelligence officer 418 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,020 his job 419 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:53,900 entailing 420 00:09:53,900 --> 00:09:54,880 in his own words 421 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:55,860 leading quote 422 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:56,780 global teams 423 00:09:56,780 --> 00:09:57,300 to conduct 424 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:58,420 counter-terrorism 425 00:09:58,420 --> 00:09:59,400 and digital 426 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,860 cyber investigations 427 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:02,420 and identifying 428 00:10:02,420 --> 00:10:04,000 online social media 429 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:04,660 misinformation 430 00:10:04,660 --> 00:10:05,580 propaganda 431 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:06,740 and covert 432 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:08,240 influence campaigns. 433 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:09,140 But they still 434 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:09,660 haven't brought 435 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:10,240 Aaron Maté 436 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:10,880 to justice. 437 00:10:11,020 --> 00:10:11,900 They can't get him. 438 00:10:13,340 --> 00:10:14,940 Directly after that 439 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:15,760 he became 440 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:16,900 a diplomat. 441 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:18,280 What? 442 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,040 Underlining 443 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:21,820 how close 444 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:22,580 the line is 445 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:23,300 between those 446 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:24,060 two professions 447 00:10:24,060 --> 00:10:25,520 and he is 448 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,020 currently 449 00:10:26,020 --> 00:10:26,740 a director 450 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:27,380 of trusted 451 00:10:27,380 --> 00:10:28,400 safety security 452 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:28,900 and data 453 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:29,380 privacy 454 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:30,140 for Meta. 455 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:30,940 Meanwhile 456 00:10:30,940 --> 00:10:31,600 the LinkedIn 457 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,540 profile of 458 00:10:32,540 --> 00:10:33,320 Cameron Harris 459 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,300 a CIA analyst 460 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:35,260 until 2019 461 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:36,320 notes that 462 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,200 he is now 463 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,640 a Meta 464 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:38,320 trusted safety 465 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,080 project manager 466 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,680 too. 467 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,340 trusted 468 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:41,740 what do they 469 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:42,140 have like 470 00:10:42,140 --> 00:10:43,120 opposite land 471 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:43,680 rules for 472 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:44,220 naming their 473 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:44,500 programs? 474 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:44,920 Yes. 475 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:45,520 Yeah. 476 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,060 This is the 477 00:10:46,060 --> 00:10:46,820 goodness and a 478 00:10:46,820 --> 00:10:47,180 good thing 479 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:47,580 happening 480 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:48,840 program. 481 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:50,280 Hiring so 482 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,400 many ex-U.S. 483 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,080 state officials 484 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:52,560 to run 485 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:53,120 Facebook's 486 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:53,740 most politically 487 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:54,240 sensitive 488 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:54,960 operations 489 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,300 raises troubling 490 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:57,240 questions about 491 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:57,920 the company's 492 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:58,720 impartiality 493 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,540 and its 494 00:10:59,540 --> 00:11:00,360 proximity to 495 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:00,780 government 496 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:01,440 power. 497 00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:02,700 Meta is 498 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:03,580 so full 499 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:04,140 of national 500 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,120 security state 501 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,580 agents that 502 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:06,320 at some point 503 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,200 it almost 504 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:07,880 becomes more 505 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:08,600 difficult to 506 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,420 find individuals 507 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:10,060 in trust and 508 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:10,480 safety who 509 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,280 were not 510 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,080 formerly 511 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,260 agents of 512 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:14,140 the state. 513 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:14,500 It's like 514 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:14,920 hanging out 515 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,160 with the 516 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Patriot Front. 517 00:11:16,220 --> 00:11:16,820 That's right. 518 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:18,860 Critics argue 519 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:19,460 that putting 520 00:11:19,460 --> 00:11:20,260 operatives from 521 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:21,320 the CIA in 522 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:21,900 control of 523 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:22,680 our news feed 524 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:24,120 is deeply 525 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:24,980 inappropriate. 526 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:25,940 You think? 527 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:27,140 Well maybe 528 00:11:27,140 --> 00:11:27,620 you haven't 529 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:27,960 heard of a 530 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,260 little thing 531 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:28,600 called the 532 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,100 Smith-Munt 533 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:29,800 Modernization 534 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Act. 535 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:34,620 One of 536 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:35,180 these critics 537 00:11:35,180 --> 00:11:35,980 is Elizabeth 538 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:36,780 Murray who 539 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:37,620 in 2010 540 00:11:37,620 --> 00:11:38,800 she retired 541 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,300 from a 542 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:40,320 27-year 543 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:40,920 career 544 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,320 at the 545 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,160 CIA and 546 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:43,820 other U.S. 547 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:44,340 intelligence 548 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:45,000 organizations. 549 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:45,980 This is 550 00:11:45,980 --> 00:11:47,000 insidious. 551 00:11:48,020 --> 00:11:48,340 Well see 552 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:48,960 she's 27 553 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:49,780 years in 554 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:50,740 and this 555 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:52,320 guy's 15. 556 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:53,980 Yeah I'm 557 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:54,540 choking back 558 00:11:54,540 --> 00:11:55,000 my hatred 559 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:55,860 right now 560 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:56,080 for the 561 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:56,840 guy but 562 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,260 that's that 563 00:11:57,260 --> 00:11:57,900 millennial 564 00:11:57,900 --> 00:11:58,660 like that 565 00:11:58,660 --> 00:11:59,180 repulsive 566 00:11:59,180 --> 00:11:59,940 TikTok lady 567 00:11:59,940 --> 00:12:00,360 that Joe 568 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:00,960 Biden had 569 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,240 that 570 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,160 everybody's 571 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:02,440 like this 572 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:02,740 is the 573 00:12:02,740 --> 00:12:03,160 worst but 574 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:03,520 turns out 575 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:03,740 there's 576 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:04,740 40,000 577 00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:05,260 more of 578 00:12:05,260 --> 00:12:05,440 her. 579 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,320 And that 580 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,700 guy is 581 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:06,980 like a 582 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:07,320 true 583 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,760 believer 584 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:08,300 that piece 585 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:08,640 of shit. 586 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,120 He's 587 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:09,920 like we're 588 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:10,440 doing good 589 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:10,980 like he 590 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:11,660 hasn't 591 00:12:11,660 --> 00:12:12,040 like this 592 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,280 woman 593 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:12,840 realized 594 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,120 in her 595 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:13,380 time in 596 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:13,700 the agency 597 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:14,100 what they're 598 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:14,660 about and 599 00:12:14,660 --> 00:12:14,960 that's why 600 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,460 she's saying 601 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:16,420 something that's 602 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:16,640 why they 603 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,180 need new 604 00:12:17,180 --> 00:12:18,720 young people 605 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:19,280 like you see 606 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,000 on TV who 607 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,240 are just 608 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:20,420 going to 609 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:20,860 believe this 610 00:12:20,860 --> 00:12:21,280 shit long 611 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:21,640 enough and 612 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:21,920 then you 613 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:22,500 know they 614 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:22,860 blow the 615 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:23,160 whistle and 616 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:23,580 go to jail 617 00:12:23,580 --> 00:12:24,020 like I guess 618 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:24,240 John 619 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:24,700 Kirakow. 620 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:25,660 So somebody 621 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:26,040 who was 622 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:26,680 there 27 623 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:27,480 years and 624 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,200 left can 625 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:28,640 say it's 626 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:29,360 insidious but 627 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:29,920 somebody's only 628 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:30,480 there 15 629 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,300 years and still 630 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:31,800 on his way 631 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,080 up can't 632 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,520 say that I 633 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,080 see it as 634 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:35,560 part of a 635 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:36,400 gradual and 636 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,420 sinister migration 637 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:38,060 of ambitious 638 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:39,060 young professionals 639 00:12:39,060 --> 00:12:40,300 originally trained 640 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:41,000 with CIA's 641 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,860 virtually unlimited 642 00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:42,560 U.S. 643 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,500 taxpayer funded 644 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:43,900 pot of 645 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:45,260 resources to 646 00:12:45,260 --> 00:12:46,080 surveil they 647 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,800 were trained to 648 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:47,460 surveil and 649 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:48,280 target the bad 650 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,020 guys during the 651 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:49,720 so-called global 652 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,400 war on terror 653 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,320 of the post 654 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,240 9-11 era. 655 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:53,500 The problem is 656 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:54,300 that having so 657 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:55,200 many former CIA 658 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,000 employees running 659 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:56,660 the world's most 660 00:12:56,660 --> 00:12:57,580 important information 661 00:12:57,580 --> 00:12:58,380 and news platform 662 00:12:58,380 --> 00:12:59,460 is only one 663 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:00,080 small step 664 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,000 removed from 665 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:01,520 the agency 666 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,520 itself deciding 667 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,300 what you see 668 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:03,920 and what you 669 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:04,640 do not see 670 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:05,660 online and 671 00:13:05,660 --> 00:13:06,400 all with 672 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:07,840 essentially no 673 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,200 public oversight. 674 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:10,320 But they did 675 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:10,860 at least have to 676 00:13:10,860 --> 00:13:11,440 get certification 677 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,100 to do 678 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:12,780 waterboardings 679 00:13:12,780 --> 00:13:13,020 right? 680 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:13,560 Yes. 681 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,560 In this sense 682 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:17,260 the arrangement 683 00:13:17,260 --> 00:13:18,360 constitutes the 684 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,480 best of both 685 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,100 worlds for 686 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:20,600 Washington. 687 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:21,760 They can exert 688 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,280 a significant 689 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,080 influence over 690 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:23,780 global news and 691 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:24,960 information flows 692 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,300 but maintain a 693 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:27,780 veneer of 694 00:13:27,780 --> 00:13:29,360 plausible deniability. 695 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,040 well I got 696 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,780 big news 697 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:32,600 it ain't that 698 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,100 plausible 699 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:34,360 like it's 700 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:34,640 kind of 701 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:35,140 obvious. 702 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:36,260 The U.S. 703 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:36,920 government does 704 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:37,620 not need to 705 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:38,240 directly tell 706 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:38,860 Facebook what 707 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:39,560 policies it 708 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:39,960 needs to 709 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:40,200 enact. 710 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,140 This is because 711 00:13:41,140 --> 00:13:41,800 the people in 712 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,420 decision-making 713 00:13:42,420 --> 00:13:43,160 positions are 714 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,160 inorderly those 715 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,100 who rose through 716 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:45,880 the ranks of the 717 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:46,700 national security 718 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:47,680 state beforehand 719 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,260 meaning their 720 00:13:49,260 --> 00:13:50,080 outlooks match 721 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,080 already matches 722 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:51,840 the outlook of 723 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Washington. 724 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:53,180 You don't get to 725 00:13:53,180 --> 00:13:54,040 be the head guy 726 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:54,680 who writes the 727 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:55,480 president's daily 728 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,500 briefing from the 729 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:57,860 CIA if you are 730 00:13:57,860 --> 00:13:58,960 an outside-the-box 731 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,640 thinker going 732 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,220 against the 733 00:14:00,220 --> 00:14:00,760 establishment 734 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:01,020 there. 735 00:14:01,220 --> 00:14:01,900 No you are 736 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:02,320 that. 737 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:03,180 That's why you 738 00:14:03,180 --> 00:14:04,100 get that job 739 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:05,020 and so that's 740 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:05,720 why he was the 741 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:06,200 guy who wrote 742 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:06,740 the thing for 743 00:14:06,740 --> 00:14:09,360 the intelligence 744 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,280 briefing for the 745 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,120 president every day 746 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:11,860 and now he's 747 00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:12,540 doing this at 748 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:12,960 Facebook. 749 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:13,820 That is 750 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:14,600 unbelievably 751 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,940 dangerous. 752 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:17,040 It's not only 753 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:17,200 dangerous. 754 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,520 I couldn't wish 755 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,060 more monkey 756 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:19,720 pox on the 757 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:20,220 inside of his 758 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:20,780 dick hole right 759 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:21,020 now. 760 00:14:23,260 --> 00:14:24,000 And if 761 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Facebook doesn't 762 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,000 play ball 763 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,900 quiet threats 764 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:29,780 about regulation 765 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:31,100 or breaking up 766 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:31,660 the company's 767 00:14:31,660 --> 00:14:32,360 enormous monopoly 768 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,800 can also achieve 769 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,740 the desire so 770 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:35,400 when the government 771 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,300 wants you to 772 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:36,980 censor you better 773 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:38,020 censor or they're 774 00:14:38,020 --> 00:14:38,520 going to come at 775 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:38,980 you with some 776 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:39,700 regulations. 777 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:40,860 Sounds like 778 00:14:40,860 --> 00:14:41,340 China. 779 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:42,660 China. 780 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:44,240 45 years ago 781 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,820 legendary journalist 782 00:14:45,820 --> 00:14:46,560 Carl Bernstein 783 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,260 released an 784 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:47,820 investigation 785 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:49,160 documenting how 786 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,100 the CIA had 787 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:52,180 managed to 788 00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:52,900 infiltrate 789 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:54,320 U.S. 790 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:54,800 and global 791 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,140 media. 792 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:55,780 It was called 793 00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:56,580 Operation 794 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:57,340 Mockingbird. 795 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:58,460 So the CIA 796 00:14:58,460 --> 00:14:58,920 used to 797 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,760 infiltrate the 798 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,080 newsrooms and 799 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:01,760 then do 800 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,980 propaganda so 801 00:15:02,980 --> 00:15:03,460 we didn't know 802 00:15:03,460 --> 00:15:03,940 what was really 803 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:05,060 going on but 804 00:15:05,060 --> 00:15:05,480 now they don't 805 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:05,960 have to do 806 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:06,480 that anymore 807 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,580 because they 808 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:08,400 hire them on 809 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:08,620 air. 810 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:08,960 They just 811 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,520 bring the 812 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:09,960 head of the 813 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,140 CIA on 814 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:12,120 air to do 815 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,660 propaganda. 816 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:13,220 They don't 817 00:15:13,220 --> 00:15:13,560 have to. 818 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,880 The CIA guy 819 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,400 doesn't have to 820 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,220 give a bribe to 821 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,040 the journalist and 822 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,460 then have him 823 00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:17,960 write the thing 824 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,340 and then that. 825 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:19,040 No they just 826 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:19,520 cut out the 827 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,040 middleman. 828 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:21,920 The CIA. 829 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,120 Mocking twerp I 830 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:23,300 believe. 831 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:24,100 Yeah mocking 832 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:24,700 twerp. 833 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,440 The CIA had 834 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,240 placed hundreds 835 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,920 of agents into 836 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:28,880 newsrooms and 837 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:29,460 had convinced 838 00:15:29,460 --> 00:15:30,400 hundreds more 839 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,260 reporters to 840 00:15:31,260 --> 00:15:32,040 collaborate with 841 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:32,320 them. 842 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,540 Patriots all. 843 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,300 These included 844 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:36,220 individuals at some 845 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:36,560 of the most 846 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,420 influential outlets 847 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:38,140 including the New 848 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:38,720 York Times. 849 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:40,100 The CIA needed to 850 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:40,580 do this 851 00:15:40,580 --> 00:15:42,320 clandestinely because 852 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,180 any attempt to do 853 00:15:43,180 --> 00:15:44,940 so openly would 854 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:45,480 harm the 855 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,300 effectiveness of 856 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:47,180 the operation and 857 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:47,800 provoke stiff 858 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,760 public resistance. 859 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,260 But by 2015 860 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:52,560 there was barely 861 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,340 a murmur of 862 00:15:53,340 --> 00:15:54,180 disapproval when 863 00:15:54,180 --> 00:15:54,920 Reuters announced 864 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:55,900 that it was hiring 865 00:15:55,900 --> 00:15:57,220 33 year veteran of 866 00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:58,420 the CIA manager and 867 00:15:58,420 --> 00:15:59,140 director Don 868 00:15:59,140 --> 00:16:00,920 Shikali as a 869 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,320 global director. 870 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:03,780 Even when the 871 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:04,460 company announced 872 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:05,180 that her primary 873 00:16:05,180 --> 00:16:06,740 responsibility was 874 00:16:06,740 --> 00:16:07,300 to advance 875 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:08,140 Thomson Reuters 876 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:08,940 ability to meet 877 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:09,580 with disparate 878 00:16:09,580 --> 00:16:10,420 needs of the U.S. 879 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:10,920 government. 880 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,380 She was still 881 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:14,480 nobody cares. 882 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,140 Facebook however 883 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:17,140 is vastly more 884 00:16:17,140 --> 00:16:17,960 influential than the 885 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,420 New York Times or 886 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:21,560 Reuters because the 887 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,300 Facebook reaches 888 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:23,300 billions of people 889 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:23,820 daily. 890 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Reuters and New 891 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,520 York Times does 892 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:26,940 not. 893 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:29,500 The CIA is sick 894 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:29,960 of them and 895 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:30,500 they're moving on 896 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:31,240 to the people who 897 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:31,540 count. 898 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:33,400 They got rid of 899 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:33,940 that's right. 900 00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:35,460 In that sense it 901 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:36,300 stands to reason 902 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:37,160 that it would be a 903 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,220 prime target of any 904 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:39,420 intelligence organization. 905 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:40,840 It has become so 906 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,200 big and ubiquitous 907 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,900 that many consider it 908 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:45,040 a de facto public 909 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,940 commons and 910 00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:47,620 believe it should 911 00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:48,320 no longer be 912 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:48,920 treated as a 913 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:49,580 private company. 914 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,320 I'm one of those 915 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,120 people that thinks 916 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,260 Facebook and 917 00:16:52,260 --> 00:16:53,340 Meta and Twitter 918 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:54,280 and YouTube should 919 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,020 be tweeted 920 00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:56,600 treated and 921 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,340 tweeted as a 922 00:16:58,340 --> 00:16:59,100 public utility. 923 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:00,020 Well they are 924 00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:00,400 now. 925 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:01,020 I didn't know that 926 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:01,920 they literally are 927 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,080 because you got the 928 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,040 government inside 929 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,180 controlling it. 930 00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:07,080 They made it that. 931 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:08,700 Considering who's 932 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:09,660 making many of the 933 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:10,600 decisions on the 934 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,860 platform that 935 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:12,780 distinction between 936 00:17:12,780 --> 00:17:13,720 public and private 937 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,620 entities is even 938 00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:16,820 more blurry than 939 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:17,780 many presume. 940 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:19,920 And now you know 941 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,260 the rest of the 942 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:22,200 story about 943 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,100 Facebook censorship 944 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,820 and the partnership 945 00:17:25,820 --> 00:17:27,000 between the security 946 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 state and social 947 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,500 media. 948 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,940 Man Alan I like 949 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:30,840 that guy Alan too. 950 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:31,760 Alan McLeod. 951 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:32,700 Yeah he's gonna 952 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:33,580 lose his Venmo now. 953 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:34,200 They already got his 954 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:34,520 PayPal. 955 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:35,800 No kidding. 956 00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:37,420 Yeah we talked 957 00:17:37,420 --> 00:17:38,040 about this a long 958 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:38,340 time ago. 959 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:39,560 He was for some 960 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,060 Ukraine thing. 961 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:40,500 Remember he was 962 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:43,740 a straight up good 963 00:17:43,740 --> 00:17:44,120 guy though. 964 00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:44,740 I had him on. 965 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:45,920 He's like we should 966 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:46,660 have him on this 967 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:46,860 show. 968 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:47,680 Malcolm write it 969 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:47,880 down. 970 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:48,620 Let's have Alex 971 00:17:48,620 --> 00:17:49,340 McLeod on the 972 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:49,680 show. 973 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,040 Alan Alan. 974 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:51,780 I think I wrote 975 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:52,260 Alex something. 976 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:53,100 I'd rather have 977 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:53,480 Alex. 978 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:53,900 Yeah I was 979 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:54,520 thinking that too. 980 00:17:54,780 --> 00:17:55,140 We get them 981 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:55,480 both. 982 00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:56,600 See both are 983 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:56,840 available. 984 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,460 Sacramento back 985 00:17:58,460 --> 00:17:59,040 here in Los 986 00:17:59,040 --> 00:17:59,560 Angeles. 987 00:18:00,140 --> 00:18:00,540 Bakersfield 988 00:18:00,540 --> 00:18:01,180 Indianapolis 989 00:18:01,180 --> 00:18:02,420 Louisville Cincinnati 990 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:04,000 Tulsa Oklahoma 991 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:04,660 City go to 992 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:05,320 Jimmy door comedy 993 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:06,060 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