1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,160 The AIDS stuff was just, you know, set the stage, set the stage of declaring a politically 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,160 of a pandemic that was politically instigated. 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:24,560 It was declared, well, HIV, AIDS, the April 20th or 1984 before any scientists or anybody 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:31,560 else in the world knew there was AIDS with a couple of AIDS contagious infectious disease. 5 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,560 You know, nobody in the world knows scientific paper was published or anything about it. 6 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,960 It was just declared on that day and it became government policy and it still government 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,920 policy to this day. 8 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,640 That set the stage. 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:52,720 Not only that is set the stage with having a disease with a virus that has never been obtained 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,720 from a human being. 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:24,440 The government health officials, 12 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,640 say scientists have now found the likely cause of the mysterious and deadly disease known 13 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,640 as AIDS. 14 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:35,560 A acquired immune deficiency syndrome has killed more than 1,750 people, AIDS is always fatal 15 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,000 and another 2,300 people have it. 16 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,040 Dr. Robert Gallo of the National Cancer Institute is the man responsible for the breakthrough. 17 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:48,240 He found AIDS is a type of human cancer virus which he named HTLV3. 18 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,440 It invades the cells, making up the immune systems of the body. 19 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Today researchers here at the National Centers for Disease Control so they have found several 20 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,440 cases where people who had been sex partners both had the condition. 21 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,160 The scientists say this probably means they are dealing with some new deadly sexually 22 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,920 transmitted disease. 23 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:15,000 AIDS panic was really dominant like COVID panic is now in all of the media and the idea 24 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,880 was that everybody was going to die of AIDS. 25 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Every sexual being was going to die. 26 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,560 The first model was called the tertiary transmission model. 27 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Everybody who's ever had sex and everybody that whoever they had sex was and everyone 28 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:44,840 they ever had sex with was in this mix where the virus, the deadly virus could come through. 29 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:55,960 Maybe some nuns were safe. 30 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,760 At first only gaze and IV drug users were being killed by AIDS. 31 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,160 But now we know every one of us could be devastated by it. 32 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:12,480 I just come over from Sweden, move back to the States to New York City from Sweden and 33 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,480 I was petrified. 34 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:21,280 I suddenly was told I was going to die and I believe there was no die or alcohol. 35 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,440 There is now a danger that has become a threat to us all. 36 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,240 It is a deadly disease and there is no known cure. 37 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,640 The virus can be passed during sexual intercourse with an infected person. 38 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,200 Anyone can get it. 39 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Man or woman. 40 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,560 It is so far it has been confined to small groups. 41 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,560 But it is spreading. 42 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,560 It is they were shunned AIDS patients in the 1980s. 43 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,600 They were seen as contagious, typhoid mares. 44 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,320 They are going to transmit this killer disease to everybody. 45 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,800 They arrived on the ward. 46 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:02,320 The patients are known to be actually positive, often arrived on the ward in spacesuit. 47 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:09,080 Certainly the staff wore these spacesuits, these hazmat suits and vises and there was 48 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,760 a patient in the bed and it is just a normal person. 49 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,040 It just seemed amazing to me that we are treating people like they come from Mars or 50 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,040 the aliens. 51 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Society I would like to go work in the field and they opened a new purpose-built hospital 52 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,240 purpose-built ward in London. 53 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:36,320 The middle sex hospital opened in 1987 and it was the ward that was opened by Princess 54 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,000 of the Princess of Wales. 55 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,320 It was one of two PhDs hired to set up the chemistry group in the diagnosis, 56 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,840 the vision, and laboratories. 57 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:49,160 I wanted to work on this, like everybody else in the Bay Area wanted to work on AIDS. 58 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,000 We wanted to put our skills to work to try to cure it. 59 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Be heroes. 60 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Be carried on people's shoulders. 61 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,880 You know, like all young scientists. 62 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,640 It was just fascinating. 63 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,240 I wanted to be a journalist and I wanted to write for spin magazines. 64 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,680 So I called this at Dunia in turns. 65 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:20,280 So turn the page was 1987 and I passed by in the village, a new stand and I saw a cover 66 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:21,480 of the New York native. 67 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:28,920 The cover was Gal on one side, Duceburg on the other, split cover. 68 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,720 And it had Gal saying HIV kills like a truck. 69 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,200 It would kill a Clark Kent. 70 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,440 What I would call was, and I had to say the virus is harmless. 71 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,040 I wouldn't mind being injected with it. 72 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,280 And then it said, which man is right? 73 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,520 Professor Peter Duceburg, University of California, Berkeley. 74 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,320 World's leading authority on retro viruses. 75 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,640 He identified the genes was the first one to characterize the genome of a retro virus. 76 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,640 HIV is a retro virus. 77 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:05,680 In 1987, he published an invited article by Cancer Research on retro viruses in general, 78 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,000 HIV in particular, asked for their ability to cause disease. 79 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,840 And it was like a legal document, point for point for point for point. 80 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:18,160 How retro viruses it, you know, cannot cause disease and they do not cause disease. 81 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,200 And he published that. 82 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,400 And I can tell you, think about it now. 83 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,960 It's caused a huge stir in the government at that point, 1987. 84 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,960 Two years after they already declared that AIDS is sexually transmitted, it can take 85 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:40,160 just because of my virus and so here's world's authority in retro viruses saying, no, no, no, no. 86 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:45,360 So in my youthful insanity, I put a call into Peter Duceburg. 87 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,600 I left a message. 88 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:54,840 I remember the phone rang and woke me up and I answered the phone and it was Peter Duceburg. 89 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,680 I went to the lab and I plugged in my tape recorder. 90 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,280 I still have my help for dramas. 91 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,160 I interviewed him on the spot. 92 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,880 It is dormant all the time. 93 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,680 It never becomes active. 94 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,800 It is dormant to begin with, it's dormant when you die from it, it's dormant when you suffer 95 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:11,800 from it. 96 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:18,840 There's no report in the literature describing the virus ever to be active in a patient, 97 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,960 in a human being, only in cell culture. 98 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,400 That's one of the major reasons why I don't believe that this virus is the cause of AIDS. 99 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:37,880 As soon as that interview ran, I got a very intimidating buggel, himself called, and he was 100 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,800 yelling and screaming and it was very paternalistic. 101 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,840 He said, do you want a career in journalism at all? 102 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Do you want to be like Barbara Walters? 103 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:57,000 Do you think this is how to be like Barbara Walters to do this crazy stuff to talk to Peter 104 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Duceburg about HIV? 105 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Yeah, and he said, you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders, so he was trying 106 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,680 it was really interesting now that I think back on it. 107 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,840 This little rock and roll magazine. 108 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:21,200 The number was that when it's straight to the power center, they knew they knew they 109 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,800 followed everything, they knew everybody who was going anywhere near the Duceburg story. 110 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,040 He was a member of the National Academy of Sciences, what had gotten the Nobel Prize, had 111 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,800 he kept his mouth shut. 112 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,480 No, they killed all his funding after that. 113 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,280 He never got another penny until this day. 114 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,360 He never got a lot of money, a grant money, the government punished him. 115 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:49,800 So then I went and started talking to my fellow scientists and academic people at UCSF, 116 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,400 University of California, San Francisco, there would be all these biotech company people 117 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,840 there from the political people, and we'd get together once a month. 118 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,200 Let's just some are and afterwards we'd go to the Chinese restaurant, talk about all these 119 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,840 things that we're going on in our lives. 120 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,160 Our businesses, our research work, we talked about AIDS from the very beginning when it 121 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,720 popped up in the 80s even before had a name. 122 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,400 And the here it was, and 84, you know, a hot, a virus, and everything. 123 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Oh good, I'm a chemist, I'm going to make inhibitors to kill this retrovirus. 124 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:24,280 And so the other people working here and there, and then by 87, I've been starting to question 125 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,680 this stuff, 85. 126 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:33,020 But between 85 and 87, I started talking about the problems with this whole notion that 127 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:37,460 AIDS is contagious caused by a transmissible infectious agent. 128 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:39,140 They wouldn't talk to me. 129 00:09:39,140 --> 00:09:41,340 They literally would not talk to me. 130 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:45,700 Wouldn't even address my answer with or just turn it walk away. 131 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:47,340 Now think about that. 132 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:51,900 As long as here audience has already heard me, nonstop, yak yak yak yak yak, I'm a scientist. 133 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:54,540 Typical scientists of the old school. 134 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:59,020 You'll love to talk about the things that are on your mind and answer questions, ask questions 135 00:09:59,020 --> 00:10:00,020 and things. 136 00:10:00,060 --> 00:10:05,900 Here are these people who are colleagues of mine, who would not talk. 137 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:10,900 So I was working in that field then until the early 1990s. 138 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:12,620 I was a staff nurse. 139 00:10:12,620 --> 00:10:17,820 I had a period as a charge nurse in general medicine and surgery. 140 00:10:17,820 --> 00:10:22,500 And then I came back into the HIV field as a charge nurse. 141 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:28,340 And then I became what's called it a nurse specialist, clinical nurse specialist, for HIV patients. 142 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:35,860 So my case load was in the community, what you call home visiting nursing in America. 143 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:40,780 And I had patients all over North London and I'd be in my car all day. 144 00:10:40,780 --> 00:10:41,780 I'd be visiting. 145 00:10:41,780 --> 00:10:43,460 I'd be caring for people. 146 00:10:43,460 --> 00:10:45,020 Some people would be dying. 147 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:46,020 Most weren't. 148 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:48,300 Most were clinically healthy. 149 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:53,060 And had very little conditions, very little medical conditions. 150 00:10:53,060 --> 00:10:56,700 They didn't have any of the AIDS indicated diseases. 151 00:10:56,740 --> 00:11:06,500 This interested me a lot, the fact that had a big case load of HIV positive patients who weren't 152 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:10,500 unwell, they had no constitutional illness. 153 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:17,700 And I was interested in that because it seemed to be that we were creating a whole 154 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:26,460 strata of patients in the HIV field that were clinically healthy, but they had this marker. 155 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:28,700 This HIV antibody test. 156 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:35,260 And once they had that test, they were automatically treated differently. 157 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:36,540 And they were seen differently. 158 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:39,220 They were seen to have this killer virus. 159 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:43,220 And everything about them was interpreted in that lens. 160 00:11:43,220 --> 00:11:49,020 So everything about those patients, everything medically about them was gel to HIV. 161 00:11:49,020 --> 00:11:56,220 My first problem with AIDS was I was working at the oncologic department in Kiel. 162 00:11:56,260 --> 00:12:03,220 At that time, and we had our first AIDS patient there, who was suffering from a luke-forma. 163 00:12:03,220 --> 00:12:05,820 It was in the 90s, right? 164 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:07,620 Yeah, it was in the 90s. 165 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:11,220 And then I asked, well, this guy, yes, that he had a luke-forma. 166 00:12:11,220 --> 00:12:13,420 How come, yes, AIDS today? 167 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:17,500 And it told me, well, he has positive HIV tests. 168 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:20,460 Then I looked and that's okay. 169 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:23,220 But that's not a new disease now. 170 00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:24,740 It's just a new test. 171 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:27,980 So if you make you diagnosis like that, 172 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:34,260 you just, there's just a spread of the new antibody test, not of a new disease, 173 00:12:34,260 --> 00:12:36,740 because yes, that he had a luke-forma. 174 00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:38,620 Now he has AIDS. 175 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:41,580 So now we make two diseases out of one. 176 00:12:41,580 --> 00:12:51,580 And that was the big thing, which the CDC created this epidemic, 177 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:59,620 because they included more and more previously known diseases in the AIDS definition. 178 00:12:59,620 --> 00:13:04,060 Like tuberculosis, like several cazinoma, like recorre pneumonia, 179 00:13:04,060 --> 00:13:12,260 like recurrent, and custer infections, very normal diseases, 180 00:13:12,260 --> 00:13:13,180 which we always had. 181 00:13:13,180 --> 00:13:17,900 But in the presence of a new antibody test, 182 00:13:17,940 --> 00:13:22,220 this disease has got a new name, and that was AIDS. 183 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:26,460 And that's the more, oh, diseases that included in the AIDS definition, 184 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:31,020 to hire the epidemiological cough. 185 00:13:31,020 --> 00:13:33,380 I have to show you that list of AIDS-defined diseases. 186 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:36,740 There were 23 of them had nothing to do with each other. 187 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:40,340 As of, including cervical cancer, they had it at the 90s, 188 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:42,180 because women refused to get AIDS. 189 00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:45,140 So the boost up the women, AIDS cases. 190 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:50,100 And all these different diseases had nothing to do with each other. 191 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:54,180 And a virus with three genes, a retarirus with three genes. 192 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:57,140 HIV would be the first retarirus to cause any disease, 193 00:13:57,140 --> 00:13:59,380 because it doesn't do in him. 194 00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:03,740 But with this three genes, it would cause all these things. 195 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:07,700 The new mucisus is cranial pneumonia, caposi saccoma, cervical cancer, 196 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:10,020 cryptospiridium, all kinds of things. 197 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:13,780 I don't remember the one of the first things that made me suspicious, 198 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:17,660 back to, I think, it was 85, 85 for sure, 199 00:14:17,660 --> 00:14:19,340 about the HIV business. 200 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:20,340 What? 201 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:21,820 How does this virus know that you're gay? 202 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:25,020 And I'm supposed to cause caposi saccoma in you, 203 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:26,980 and not in these IV drug use in Hawaii. 204 00:14:26,980 --> 00:14:29,980 I give them TB or something like that. 205 00:14:29,980 --> 00:14:33,700 I mean, that was one of my first suspicions. 206 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:35,740 And also, how does that little virus 207 00:14:35,740 --> 00:14:38,580 know not to cross the street? 208 00:14:38,580 --> 00:14:41,620 Like in the Castro, the state living here with the gay guys 209 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:44,380 are, you know, where they have all these AIDS diseases, 210 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:47,180 what then go over here in this other part of town? 211 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:49,700 It's a virus that knows your zip code, whether you're 212 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:52,300 gay or straight, violent black, or whether you're a rich or poor. 213 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:55,900 And in Africa, fever, diarrhea, persistent cough, weight loss 214 00:14:55,900 --> 00:15:00,260 and TB, those of the AIDS-befighting diseases in Africa. 215 00:15:00,260 --> 00:15:02,420 It's too expensive to do the HIV tests. 216 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:03,740 They're anybody tests in Africa, 217 00:15:03,740 --> 00:15:05,860 so it's not even part of the definition. 218 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:08,860 But you have those diseases of poverty and malnutrition. 219 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:14,020 And even diarrhea, persistent cough, weight loss and TB. 220 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:16,020 That's AIDS-definning diseases, which are also 221 00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:18,740 the diseases of poverty and malnutrition. 222 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:21,700 So when you have a definition like that, yeah, 223 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:24,380 every half the population is up there in Africa 224 00:15:24,380 --> 00:15:28,980 is going to be AIDS-case if they're malnourished. 225 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:32,580 The came up with a definition at a World Health Organization 226 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:38,940 conference in October of 1985. 227 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:42,980 The WHO convened and the CDC convened a conference 228 00:15:42,980 --> 00:15:47,180 at the capital city of the Central African Republic, 229 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:48,620 Bungie. 230 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:51,140 And from that conference emerged what 231 00:15:51,140 --> 00:15:54,220 has been known since then to this day 232 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:57,420 as the Bungie definition of an AIDS case. 233 00:15:57,420 --> 00:16:00,180 And it was based, not on Kaposi, Sarcoma, 234 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:03,900 and the Mississippi, Carimini, pneumonia, 235 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:07,060 and anything else along those lines as in America, 236 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:10,100 it was based on clinical symptoms. 237 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:14,500 And those clinical symptoms define an AIDS case in Africa. 238 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:20,220 And they are chronic diarrhea, 10% loss 239 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:25,580 of body weight over several weeks, persistent dry cough. 240 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:30,140 What's the problem with that definition of AIDS in Africa? 241 00:16:31,140 --> 00:16:33,500 Because I've had all those clinical symptoms 242 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,580 when I've been in Africa. 243 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:37,100 I didn't die. 244 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:39,020 I wasn't sexually active. 245 00:16:39,020 --> 00:16:41,020 They all went away. 246 00:16:41,020 --> 00:16:43,660 Because those are the same symptoms 247 00:16:43,660 --> 00:16:49,300 that helped define a case of tuberculosis, malaria, 248 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:53,340 protein, anemia, malnourishment, 249 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:55,700 unclean drinking water. 250 00:16:55,700 --> 00:17:00,100 That's what will produce those same symptoms in a person. 251 00:17:00,140 --> 00:17:02,060 They overlap. 252 00:17:02,060 --> 00:17:06,420 I mean, the overlapping of symptoms is crucial 253 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:12,780 for a loose definition where, as the old song 254 00:17:12,780 --> 00:17:17,780 at the play in the 1930s had it, anything goes. 255 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:20,980 That's one of the first things. 256 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:23,860 That those discrepancies was back. 257 00:17:23,860 --> 00:17:28,260 By 1987, I realized this whole shoot match. 258 00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:32,340 The nurse can take you sexually transmitted HIV. 259 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:33,260 Not terrible. 260 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:35,260 In fact, it was crap. 261 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:36,900 And I was just a nurse specialist 262 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:40,340 to come through the services and on the first AIDS ward. 263 00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:43,540 We had a lot of patients coming in who are young, 264 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:46,860 HIV positive, and they'd have vague chest symptoms, 265 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:50,820 vague flu likes symptoms really, if at all. 266 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:53,060 And they were treated as though they were dying. 267 00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:55,700 And the patients were counseled towards this. 268 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:59,100 They used cublerosis model of death and dying, 269 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:01,900 which is about getting you to accept your own death. 270 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:04,060 It's a very, very penicious. 271 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:08,740 And you saw a lot of young patients, HIV positive, 272 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:12,620 put on this care pathway that's just a death pathway. 273 00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:15,460 You remember I said I was in a diagnostic business 274 00:18:15,460 --> 00:18:18,380 for a while, you had the language where you started. 275 00:18:18,380 --> 00:18:23,620 You use clinical diagnostics, not to screen people, 276 00:18:23,620 --> 00:18:28,460 but to help a clinician decide, rule out this, 277 00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:31,980 or rule out in condition, and people have symptoms. 278 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:34,820 That's why you had clinical diagnostics, 279 00:18:34,820 --> 00:18:39,820 not to ask for or spread them around healthy people. 280 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:44,100 But somebody a patient that comes in, 281 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,300 what is the liver problem? 282 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:47,140 It's a pancreas problem of whatever in the doctor, 283 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:49,300 which symptoms, as said I'm going to do some tests 284 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:51,620 to see if I can real this in and rule that out. 285 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:53,460 That's helpful, because you're starting with something 286 00:18:53,460 --> 00:18:55,420 and you have a specific goal in mind 287 00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:57,700 of what you're trying to rule in or rule out. 288 00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:00,180 They have a use there. 289 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:03,060 But with AIDS, they were used as a prognostic thing. 290 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:06,540 I mean, in the beginning, where you have people with no symptoms 291 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:09,060 and you just, if you're a gay person, 292 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:11,340 or you want to do something, take a blood test 293 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:15,060 with that to permission, you get a employment physical, 294 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:17,740 or something like that, and they test with that to permission 295 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:19,460 to see if you're positive for HIV, 296 00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:22,060 and probably do it with SARS, COVID-2 now, 297 00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:23,180 and these other things. 298 00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:24,460 Those are screens. 299 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:28,260 No tests should ever be used as a screen. 300 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:31,140 They should never. 301 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:33,260 Until I started doing my PhD, 302 00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:36,140 I had no idea about what all this meant. 303 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:39,700 I just thought, this is a disease, this is a test. 304 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:44,140 And suddenly, it all started unfolding in front of me, 305 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:47,100 like everything I thought was correct. 306 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:49,700 Wasn't correct that it means something else, 307 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:51,940 or possibly means something else. 308 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:54,740 What is the HIV antibody test? 309 00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:56,580 I'd run it on loads of patients, 310 00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:57,980 given them results. 311 00:19:57,980 --> 00:19:59,260 I didn't know how it worked. 312 00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:00,940 So I was actually looking at it, 313 00:20:00,940 --> 00:20:04,860 and I found all sorts of very strange information 314 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:08,420 about what's contained in the literature 315 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:12,300 from the drug companies that manufacture the test 316 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:16,580 is different to what patients had told in the clinics. 317 00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:18,100 And then I found, 318 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:21,660 Puppodopolis, Aliotolis is worth showing, 319 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:25,300 demonstrating that the HIV antibody tests 320 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:29,260 don't necessarily detect antibodies to HIV, 321 00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:32,700 they detect other antibodies and other things, 322 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:34,620 other material in the body. 323 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:38,740 The HIV test has never been compared with HIV itself. 324 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:42,340 In fact, the inserts that come with all the tests 325 00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:45,820 for HIV, anybody just, Westropa, PCR tests, 326 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:47,860 say they're explicitly within there 327 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:49,300 that there's no reference standard, 328 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,300 meaning there's no virus itself 329 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:54,060 to compare the test against to see whether or not 330 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:55,740 is really detecting the virus. 331 00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:57,580 Much of my question of the weed. 332 00:20:57,580 --> 00:21:01,780 What we're told on what the data sheet say 333 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:06,780 is that the HIV antibody test is testing for antibodies 334 00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:10,180 to parts of the virus. 335 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:13,100 So certain proteins of the virus, 336 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:17,580 elicit evoke antibody responses in your body. 337 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:19,860 And therefore it's those antibodies 338 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:22,460 that the HIV Eliza test is testing for, 339 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:24,340 not the virus itself. 340 00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:27,020 And that's got nothing to do with whether you go AIDS or not, 341 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:30,820 it's to do for that you have the virus, that's the idea. 342 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:35,140 But because of the way antibody tests are, 343 00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:37,020 they're not totally specific. 344 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:39,860 So those antibodies, 345 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:44,860 those antibodies that are produced by the so-called HIV proteins, 346 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:49,380 can be produced by other antigens in your body. 347 00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:53,260 So you can have what it looked like HIV proteins 348 00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:56,740 that are produced by other causes of the HIV. 349 00:21:56,740 --> 00:21:59,940 But those antibodies could be due 350 00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:02,940 to a whole host of other conditions in your body, 351 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:06,460 how that exposures that you've had 352 00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:10,180 to other proteins, 353 00:22:10,180 --> 00:22:14,180 due to transfusion, 354 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:20,420 due to vaccination, 355 00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:24,700 due to having other autoimmune conditions, 356 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,460 like systemic lupus or rithmetosis, 357 00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:30,780 and other conditions, at least 70, 358 00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:35,300 I've seen a great list, nearly 80 conditions that you can have. 359 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:36,820 I don't mean just medical conditions, 360 00:22:36,820 --> 00:22:40,700 but biological conditions, the state of your body. 361 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:44,340 And why would you then believe that 362 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:48,740 your HIV positive antibody test is due to HIV 363 00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:52,460 when the disclaimers that the manufacturers show, 364 00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:54,820 it could be due to other conditions, yeah? 365 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:58,700 It turns out that a pregnant woman, 366 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:00,740 pregnant at the time of a test, 367 00:23:00,740 --> 00:23:04,540 or having been pregnant within the last few years, 368 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,700 if she were to be given one of these antibody tests, 369 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,340 mutinate test, there is no AIDS test, 370 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:13,820 there's an antibody test. 371 00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:17,140 If she's been pregnant, or if she is currently pregnant, 372 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:22,140 she will likely register positive on an HIV antibody test. 373 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:28,300 What Alan White side and the other mainstream researchers 374 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:31,980 in South Africa did was to extrapolate 375 00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:35,860 from those numbers, which were always very large 376 00:23:35,860 --> 00:23:38,860 and extrapolate from them to the rest of the country. 377 00:23:38,860 --> 00:23:42,220 I published an article in a mid-efficient journal 378 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:45,780 with a medical doctor exposing the test, 379 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:49,220 the antibody test, and publishing the data sheet 380 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:51,340 from Abbott LeBronchries. 381 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:55,060 And I can tell you all how broke loose, 382 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:57,740 because the public health authorities in the UK 383 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:01,700 phone the journal, they wanted the article stopped, 384 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:06,700 and they wanted to know why they'd published it. 385 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,660 The journal editor was put under a lot of pressure 386 00:24:10,660 --> 00:24:12,900 to pulpit, but she didn't. 387 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,060 And the reason why a mid-efficient journal, 388 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:17,980 an obstetric nursing journal wants to publish it, 389 00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:21,340 was that the time in 1999, the Department of Health, 390 00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:23,220 wanted to make it mandatory, 391 00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:26,580 the all pregnant women were offered the test, 392 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:28,140 or took the test. 393 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:32,260 And they saw our article giving other explanations 394 00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:33,540 for the actually test. 395 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:37,460 As dangerous, we were dangerous. 396 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:39,020 That's the word they used. 397 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:41,100 It was dangerous publishing this 398 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:44,180 because you put people off having the test. 399 00:24:44,180 --> 00:24:48,220 But there's nothing dangerous about giving people information. 400 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:52,580 I can give you another example from the WHO's weekly 401 00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:57,580 epidemiological record, WHO claimed in 1998, 402 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:03,140 in 1982, that there were approximately one million HIV 403 00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:07,460 positive Africans in the country of Uganda. 404 00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:12,220 Okay, it was close to a million. 405 00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:14,100 10 years later, 406 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:17,500 another studies came back from the WHO, 407 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:20,540 indicating that the total number of people 408 00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:25,540 who had died in Uganda between 1982 and 1992 409 00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:30,540 was about 45,000 over a 10-year period. 410 00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:35,420 My question was, what happened to the other nine hundred 411 00:25:35,420 --> 00:25:40,420 and 55,000 Uganda's who were supposed to have HIV and AIDS 412 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:42,900 who didn't die? 413 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,460 How do you explain that? 414 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:48,900 HIV care in those days, it was the HIV antibody test. 415 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:51,100 That was the gateway into this 416 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,580 never-reaching of existence. 417 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:56,860 And then every month you had your T4 count 418 00:25:56,860 --> 00:26:00,260 and your PCR viral load test. 419 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:05,020 Notice PCR, that's one of the links was COVID. 420 00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:07,340 So the doctors were looking at the T4 count, 421 00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:09,460 how many T4 cells they had, 422 00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:11,060 these are the help of cells, 423 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:13,100 the orchestrate the immune system, 424 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,420 like a conductor orchestrates in orchestra. 425 00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:19,540 And then the viral load test was interpreted 426 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:22,820 as the amount of circulating virus in your body. 427 00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:27,460 Of course, all those are oversimplified definitions 428 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,620 that we use to manipulate patients. 429 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:33,020 Because the viral load test is not the amount 430 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:35,660 of circulating virus in the body at all. 431 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:37,580 And we know that it's not. 432 00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:39,660 But at the time, that's what we were told. 433 00:26:39,660 --> 00:26:42,900 When PCR came on to the scene, they said, 434 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:47,900 aha, now we can find HIV everywhere. 435 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,260 It's everywhere. 436 00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:54,700 It's rampant. 437 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:58,300 It's a piece in other words. 438 00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:04,300 So PCR is the amplification technology that comes along. 439 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,900 And allows these tinkers, I guess, 440 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:10,140 it's like this toy for them. 441 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:12,540 And now they thought they could crush Peter. 442 00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:15,220 And I remember when these articles began to come out. 443 00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:18,940 Oh, Peter DuSparg, may have had an argument, 444 00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:22,660 but not me more, not with PCR and Kerry, 445 00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:31,340 inventor of PCR comes out as a staunch defender 446 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:32,340 of Peter DuSparg. 447 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:35,140 It's just a process that's used to make a whole lot of something 448 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:36,740 out of something. 449 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:37,900 That's what it's like. 450 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,340 But it doesn't tell you that you're sick. 451 00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:43,020 And it doesn't tell you that the thing you ended up with, 452 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:45,100 really, was going to hurt you or anything like that. 453 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,340 What did that mean to be a defender of Peter DuSparg? 454 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:48,140 I should be crazy. 455 00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:50,140 He wasn't a defender of Peter DuSparg, 456 00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:54,220 but he was staunchly in the HIV dissident position 457 00:27:54,220 --> 00:28:00,740 and camp, which meant Bob Gallo never proved anything. 458 00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:04,620 I was working on a project where we were measuring HIV 459 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:10,300 in people's blood at this place called specialty 460 00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,420 laboratories in Santa Monica. 461 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:14,820 I was just in a consultant there. 462 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:16,980 And I came out about three days a month. 463 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:18,020 And we were working on that. 464 00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:23,260 And at some point, we needed to re-up our grant from the NIH 465 00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:24,060 to work on that. 466 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:25,220 And I had to write it. 467 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:27,860 And so the first line of that was HIV 468 00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:29,580 is the probable cause of AIDS. 469 00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:30,340 And I wrote that. 470 00:28:30,340 --> 00:28:35,220 And then I said, well, I need a paper, 471 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:38,700 some kind of scientific paper, to reference that statement. 472 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:40,700 Because when you make a sign to a statement, 473 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:42,500 that's like a fact. 474 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,340 You need to say, here's how come I know that. 475 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,100 You put a little one. 476 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,540 If it's the first statement you've made, 477 00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:49,980 and then you've down at the bottom of the paper, 478 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:50,820 you have a one. 479 00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:53,300 And you say, here's a paper by somebody 480 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:57,020 that describes why that statement's true. 481 00:28:57,020 --> 00:28:59,540 And so I said, whoa, what's that? 482 00:28:59,540 --> 00:29:00,540 I don't even know what I'm thinking about. 483 00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:01,700 What is that paper? 484 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,380 Who do I go to for that? 485 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:04,580 And I looked around. 486 00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:06,300 I asked a couple of ourologists 487 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,700 that company and they said, no, you don't have to reference. 488 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:09,940 I said, I have to reference that. 489 00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:12,500 Because I don't know where that came from. 490 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,500 How do I know that? 491 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,820 And it turned out that nobody knew it. 492 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:19,140 There wasn't a scientific reference. 493 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:22,100 Like a paper that somebody had submitted 494 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,620 with experimental data in it. 495 00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:28,020 And like logical discussion and said, here's how come we know 496 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:31,460 that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS? 497 00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:32,900 It was nothing left there like that. 498 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:33,740 Nothing. 499 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:37,540 Kerry actually started to cry. 500 00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:38,740 I'll never forget it. 501 00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:42,860 He just broke down. 502 00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:45,740 And he said, he started talking about how it feels 503 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,140 like such a hostile planet. 504 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:48,740 And he said, I go out surfing. 505 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:50,340 I go out and get in the ocean. 506 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:52,460 And it seems like a beautiful world. 507 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:53,660 It is a beautiful world. 508 00:29:53,660 --> 00:29:57,420 But there's just this hostility. 509 00:29:57,420 --> 00:29:58,740 And they're just after him. 510 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:00,900 And they just want to crush him. 511 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,260 And they're so dishonest. 512 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:06,420 And I just, it was like time just stopped. 513 00:30:06,420 --> 00:30:09,460 And I thought, see this. 514 00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:11,380 This is it right here. 515 00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:13,220 This is a human being. 516 00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:15,940 Yes, he's a scientist. 517 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:16,580 A genius. 518 00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:17,580 A Nobel laureate. 519 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:18,380 And all of that. 520 00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:22,020 But it was always the human being in all of these people 521 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:27,060 that came across to me that resonated with me. 522 00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:28,460 And first I looked for, you know, 523 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:31,860 just in a computer searching, kind of stuff like that. 524 00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:34,220 But then I said, it got to be somebody that knows this. 525 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,300 Go to experts and ask them. 526 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,220 And so I asked all these people one after the other. 527 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:39,580 And none of them had it. 528 00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:40,900 None of them. 529 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,860 And I was getting really freaked about that. 530 00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:46,820 That's when I first started saying, they don't know. 531 00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:48,420 Nobody really knows. 532 00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:50,860 This whole thing is a big sham. 533 00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:51,700 It's ridiculous. 534 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:52,980 I was a believer. 535 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:56,260 And the AIDS organizations not being 536 00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:57,940 present at the university. 537 00:30:57,940 --> 00:31:01,700 So I keep lectures on HIV and AIDS. 538 00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:05,900 And an Austrian professor, Fritz Paul, 539 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:11,740 he asked me, hey, yo, you're giving talks on HIV. 540 00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:14,900 Did you check the evidence? 541 00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,540 And I said, look, the whole world is saying this. 542 00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:20,500 And he said, no, no, he was not asking the world. 543 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,580 He's asking me. 544 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:26,100 I became a red face and said, no, if not checked, 545 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,420 because no, I just heard it. 546 00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:33,060 And then he said, look, this might be dangerous. 547 00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,820 If you scare somebody to death, and there is no reason, 548 00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:41,060 you contribute to suffering and even dying or suicide. 549 00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:44,700 And then he gave me the copycarts, you know, 550 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,700 that I am able to copy everything. 551 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,380 And he said, look, every paper, which is of interest, 552 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:51,100 your copy twice for me. 553 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,220 And Friday afternoon, we are going to discuss all on this. 554 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:57,620 And this is how it was pushed into this field, you know? 555 00:31:57,620 --> 00:32:00,420 And then I went, of course, I found the publication 556 00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:03,900 of Galo and then of Montané, and I saw 557 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,740 wires in the title, but a wire structure. 558 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:12,900 A new clip asked it of a given size, a given sequence. 559 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:17,580 With an envelope, it doesn't appear in a paper. 560 00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:21,940 Only single molecules were added and said to be part 561 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:26,500 of a rose and a certain activity said to be, 562 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:28,380 that it's representing a rose. 563 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:33,620 But it was never isolated, never seen in a human being, 564 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:36,820 in blood or in a plant or in an animal, you know, 565 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:41,620 just photographs from cell cultures, which everybody knows. 566 00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:45,780 These are showing typical structures of cell styling 567 00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:47,180 in the test tube, you know? 568 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:50,820 So this is our run inside. 569 00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:52,860 And I was deeply shocked. 570 00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:54,740 I was deeply shocked. 571 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:59,660 And indeed, the big questions over whether HIV exists 572 00:32:59,660 --> 00:33:03,100 as an exogenous retrevarus, as something 573 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:07,820 that comes from outside the cell and inserts itself into a cell. 574 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,100 Is it our own genetic material? 575 00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:12,740 Is it an expression of our own genetic material 576 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:15,780 due to background radiation in the environment? 577 00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:20,780 All these issues, eliopolis, a pappodopolis eliopolis, 578 00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:24,540 and the birth group of scientists 579 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:27,540 had all discovered by the end of the 1980s. 580 00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:31,260 So I went into all of this in great detail 581 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:33,740 and it completely destroyed my faith 582 00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:37,300 in having a clinical career in HIV nursing. 583 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:39,420 This HIV thing, the only place that I know of 584 00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:42,020 that exists is an laboratory. 585 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:46,620 Nobody has ever published obtaining or isolating 586 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:50,580 or even seeing HIV in a human being. 587 00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:52,380 That's why I had used the antibody tests. 588 00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:56,140 One of the first things I found out in 1991 589 00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:58,780 for a big story I did called Fatal Distraction 590 00:33:58,780 --> 00:34:02,060 was that when they tested seminal fluid, 591 00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:05,380 they actually didn't find HIV in seminal fluid. 592 00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:08,820 And that was in this, a lot of good stuff 593 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,800 was in these obscure journals, not certainly not the AIDS 594 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,820 journals or the official big deal medical journals. 595 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,140 This one was in a fertility journal, 596 00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:18,660 called fertility and sterility. 597 00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:21,180 I can't believe I remember that. 598 00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:25,980 Patients were told when their T cell count went below 200, 599 00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:27,740 they're near to death, yeah? 600 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:30,420 They're gonna get opportunity to illness as in die. 601 00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:33,540 Why had patients whose T cell count went down to 10 602 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:35,820 and they never had a day's illness in their life? 603 00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:37,820 They didn't believe it. 604 00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:39,660 What they were told by the doctors, 605 00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:41,100 doesn't add up. 606 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,620 I've not died, I've not got an illness, 607 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:47,380 got a T cell count at 20, should be dead. 608 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:48,780 They've got a viral load. 609 00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:50,740 Patients were told their viral loads, 610 00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:52,780 the amount of HIV in their blood, 611 00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:55,940 because the PCR test was high. 612 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:57,420 They've got replicating virus, 613 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:59,700 as to control it's in the thousands, 614 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,260 you're gonna be dead tomorrow. 615 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,780 Nothing wrong with them. 616 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:04,980 Hey, AIDS is not a contagious disease at all. 617 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:06,980 It doesn't behave anything like it can take you 618 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,940 to stay still and fall in the correct area 619 00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:11,380 of a contagious disease. 620 00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:14,700 I mean, it's supposed to be sexually transmitted. 621 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:16,780 That was a big scare. 622 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:19,180 It didn't matter, gaze, sex, straight sex. 623 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:20,020 It didn't matter. 624 00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:22,580 That's why they said in Africa, oh Africa, 625 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:24,540 the sexual transmissions, 626 00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:27,340 they're gonna just decimate the continent. 627 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:28,820 Instead of decimate the continent, 628 00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:30,260 they double their population. 629 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:31,900 That was a period of AIDS. 630 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,580 Remember, I'd just come out in the late 70s, early 80s, 631 00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:36,740 as a gay man. 632 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:40,220 I knew the history of the psychiatric 633 00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:43,060 resisation of gay men in the 90s, 634 00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:45,180 in any few years earlier, gay men were 635 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:47,780 being given an electrical convulsive therapy, 636 00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:49,820 were giving hormone therapy. 637 00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:51,820 Some of them even had psychosurgery, 638 00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:55,220 because our sexuality was seen as pathology. 639 00:35:56,380 --> 00:36:00,620 Now in the 1980s, we've been told our sexuality 640 00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:02,980 means were diseased. 641 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:06,140 How could sociologists not see the parallel there? 642 00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:08,820 No, for 10 years, 15 years, 643 00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:10,900 you've got the American Psychiatric Association, 644 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:13,460 taking gay sexuality off its list 645 00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:15,220 of psychiatric disorders. 646 00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:16,900 Then a few years later, 647 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:19,020 we're back on the general list, 648 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:22,340 there's a disease vector for AIDS, yeah? 649 00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:23,620 It's the same thing. 650 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:27,140 It's pathologicalisation of human behavior. 651 00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:29,220 AIDS was contagious, sexually transmitted, 652 00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:32,900 caused by this HIV, human immunodeficiency virus, 653 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:33,780 started in Africa, 654 00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:36,260 no, I couldn't question any of that. 655 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,540 So they accepted that, 656 00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:40,380 but the science that was left was, 657 00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:41,900 okay, it's actually transmitted. 658 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,780 How contagious is it? 659 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:45,220 How transmissible is it? 660 00:36:45,220 --> 00:36:46,740 That's allowed. 661 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:47,740 Okay, that's not done. 662 00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:51,180 The rate of it transmitted sexually, 663 00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:52,580 was not covered under the dogma. 664 00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:55,900 That's totally legitimate, scientific question, 665 00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,300 the ask, and to investigate. 666 00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,260 So Nancy Patien was one of the biggest studies 667 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:05,460 on this area of trying to quantify 668 00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:10,300 how efficient HIV was to transmit sexually, 669 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,940 and have been studies and gay men, 670 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,940 and she did one of the biggest ones 671 00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:16,140 on heterosexuals. 672 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:17,540 To get in the study, 673 00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:20,260 one of the sexual partners had to be HIV positive. 674 00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:21,100 How? 675 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:22,540 By the antibody test or somebody, 676 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:24,420 there's no way to confirm it, 677 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:26,220 but to say, oh, they actually have the virus cinnamon 678 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:27,620 all of them, there's no way to do that. 679 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,820 All they had to do was either be HIV positive 680 00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:31,860 or have antibody, 681 00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:33,020 antibody thinking those days 682 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,820 it was just what the antibody test. 683 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,340 And the other sexual partner had to be negative. 684 00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:41,980 So that was the discordant couples. 685 00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:44,820 And that way you follow them over a period of time 686 00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:49,580 and see how efficiently they HIV negative people 687 00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:51,460 became positive over years. 688 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:54,660 Zero during the study. 689 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:57,740 Not a single HIV negative sexual partner 690 00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:00,060 became positive during the course of the period. 691 00:38:01,060 --> 00:38:04,700 She had some points she ended up saying, 692 00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:07,620 you know, it is, even though she had done 693 00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:09,180 this 10 years study with the data, 694 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:10,980 I was there, I think at the end of the day, 695 00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:13,100 she went with the established one. 696 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,020 She said, oh, she said it, absolutely. 697 00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,220 No, she said it, sexually transmitted. 698 00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:19,700 That's absolutely true. 699 00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:21,940 But her data, which is in her documents, 700 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:23,940 published the numbers is erog. 701 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:27,060 But also in that same document was an estimate 702 00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:30,380 of what it probably is, you know, 703 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:33,060 at, you know, which means she just plucked out the air. 704 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:34,940 I introduced an interview Robert Root Burns 705 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:36,060 in all the time. 706 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,660 And he was always finding all the studies 707 00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:44,660 and demonstrating that AIDS did not appear 708 00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:48,700 in the context of higher sexual activity. 709 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,740 Now that there's never been a pandemic 710 00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:55,940 or an outbreak or a catastrophe of either HIV or AIDS 711 00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:58,220 in the form industry. 712 00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:01,180 Nor among prostitutes. 713 00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:05,140 AIDS did not appear where sex was more sex, 714 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:08,580 where more sex was, I didn't appear in the porn industry, 715 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:10,260 it didn't appear among prostitutes. 716 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:15,260 It did not appear where sex was happening. 717 00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:18,500 At the International AIDS Contranced 718 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:23,140 in July of 2000 in Durban, 719 00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:25,420 when I would get into the cab, 720 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:28,300 he's South African, mostly Asians, 721 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,140 but a lot of Africans driving the cabs. 722 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:33,500 I'd say, what are you here for? 723 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,620 I'd say I'm here for the AIDS Conference. 724 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:39,260 It's a word from, and I said, I'm from America. 725 00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:42,060 Oh, I heard this from several cab drivers. 726 00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:44,940 You American researchers that are the cheapest 727 00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:47,660 tippers here at this conference. 728 00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:49,100 I said, get out of here. 729 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,660 Oh, no, Americans are the worst. 730 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:55,380 We would try to avoid picking them up sometimes. 731 00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:59,100 But he said, you know, what was even more astonishing 732 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,660 than these American researchers 733 00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,580 and their sheet tipping habits, 734 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:07,140 they all wanted to know where they could find prostitutes. 735 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:09,300 I said, wait a minute, you're telling me 736 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,500 that at the International AIDS Conference, 737 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:15,660 participants in the conference are going around Durban 738 00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:17,260 looking for prostitutes. 739 00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:21,460 He said that on every single night, yes, absolutely. 740 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:30,060 Since 1984, people all around the world 741 00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,340 have been having all kinds of sex, 742 00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:35,700 and children have been getting born, 743 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:37,420 and condoms have been breaking. 744 00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:42,660 And nobody could argue that the reason we don't have 745 00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,460 mass death from AIDS is because of safe sex. 746 00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:48,100 All they would probably try. 747 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:49,340 So where is it? 748 00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:50,380 What happened to it? 749 00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:51,380 Where did it go? 750 00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:56,660 Where is where are the bodies? 751 00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:57,580 Where are the coffins? 752 00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:58,900 Where is the mass? 753 00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:03,140 You know, they said 90 million Americans were supposed 754 00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:08,140 to be dead for AIDS in America by 1990. 755 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:12,540 Before you had the tests, Mike, you had ill patients. 756 00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:14,980 You had sick people presenting. 757 00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:17,020 Now, nobody doubts that. 758 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:20,940 And from the 1970s, late 1970s onwards, 759 00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:23,140 in major centers of the United States, 760 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:26,580 like New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, 761 00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:28,620 you had AIDS patients presenting 762 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:33,740 of people with dysfunctional immune systems. 763 00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:36,740 And you had the 29 indicator diseases 764 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,700 for the acquired immune deficiency syndrome. 765 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:42,780 So conditions like numerous sisters pneumonia, 766 00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:47,700 like a post-Isar Cromer, all sorts of other conditions. 767 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:51,220 Eventually, they became 29. 768 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:55,380 Now, for years, for about five years, 769 00:41:55,380 --> 00:42:00,300 science didn't say that those were due to virus. 770 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:05,300 Before 1984, AIDS was a multifactorial condition. 771 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:09,500 In the very beginning, I had a guide 772 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:13,820 who really people think that maybe my guides 773 00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:16,220 could just be brought me into the dark forest 774 00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:19,020 was a Peter DuSpring. 775 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:22,620 I did read Peter DuSpring's paper. 776 00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:27,700 Michael Cowlan was a bomb. 777 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:29,100 That's the word. 778 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:34,540 He was very open about his very promiscuous. 779 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:37,700 And he was very, you know, he would have used words like slutty. 780 00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,260 And he wrote about it, and he talked about it. 781 00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:46,260 And when AIDS hit, he came out like a real, very brave hero. 782 00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:50,420 And he and Richard Brookowitz sat down. 783 00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:53,620 I think it might have even been a typewriter. 784 00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:56,020 And they wrote this manifesto called, 785 00:42:56,020 --> 00:43:02,020 we know who we are, to gay men, to clear war on an epidemic. 786 00:43:02,020 --> 00:43:05,340 What they were typing for, the way they had such a strong sense 787 00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:07,620 of urgency, was they wanted to 788 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:12,340 bridge this abyss between, they wanted to tell the street world 789 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:14,900 and the media world. 790 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:20,900 There are things that we do in the fast laying of the gay community 791 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:22,900 that you guys don't know about. 792 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:23,940 And you don't understand. 793 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:25,540 But now we're going to tell you. 794 00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:30,100 And they wanted to talk about the bathhouses and the poppers 795 00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:33,220 and all the different drugs and all the antibiotics 796 00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:35,860 and all the repeated STDs. 797 00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:43,300 So basically, the frankly, in terms of an immune system, 798 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:47,780 the disasters on, that this illness came out of. 799 00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:51,380 And so they were saying, there's really no mystery 800 00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:53,380 why we're getting sick. 801 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,660 And this was struck down for osuously in all 802 00:43:56,660 --> 00:44:03,940 uncertain terms by competing, let's say, tribe or army, 803 00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:05,380 in the gay world at the time. 804 00:44:05,380 --> 00:44:09,780 And now, this is that faction was led by Larry Pramer. 805 00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:13,460 And Larry Pramer had written this book, Faggotts, 806 00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:16,980 which is exactly this story, right? 807 00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:21,620 Post, Stonewall, reality of gay, 808 00:44:22,820 --> 00:44:27,380 bathhouse sexual life, which has a lot of chemicals in it, 809 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:31,460 has a lot of things that just don't work for a human immune system. 810 00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:36,660 Poppers to relax the anal muscles to be able to have all that sex 811 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:43,940 poppers by themselves in mice, in certain experiments that the CDC did very early 812 00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:50,340 caused, composed of Dr. Colma and PCP pneumonia. 813 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:55,460 And that was struck off as we're not taking that role, 814 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:57,620 because there's no money in that. 815 00:44:57,620 --> 00:44:59,540 That would have brought answers. 816 00:44:59,540 --> 00:45:02,900 This stuff causes, this causes, this stop doing that, 817 00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:03,620 it'll be fine. 818 00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:08,580 All the money is in mystery buyers, right? 819 00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,860 So all of these forces came together and said, 820 00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:16,820 no, not going with light that poppers in the lifestyle and the, 821 00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:18,740 no, we're not doing it politically. 822 00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:21,060 Not doing it doesn't work financially. 823 00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:23,940 It doesn't work for political correctness, just no. 824 00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:26,420 Black sew formerly for osuely, 825 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:28,820 a lot of them come later, Black sew Smith Klein, 826 00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:31,380 right, Black sew of makers of AZT, 827 00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,500 were all over the poppers industry. 828 00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:40,980 They were in the poppers industry, and they had, it turns out, 829 00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:44,660 I found out this fairly recently, of course, they had, 830 00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:48,820 they were paying people who were in, who were gay men, 831 00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:52,420 who were spoke models for AIDS and the community, 832 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:56,340 who were viciously going after anybody who talked about poppers, 833 00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:00,900 and were saying, a lot of this stuff has kind of 834 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:04,660 percolated up in archives after people have died, 835 00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:06,740 but they seem to be just these like, 836 00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:13,140 Saint-like AIDS activists, but actually they were on the payroll of Black sew, 837 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:15,140 and the poppers makers. 838 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:19,860 I think it's very, very important that work was negated 839 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:22,020 and set to one side. 840 00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:25,380 All that's really important, that pre-HIV, 841 00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:30,900 gay men's health issues, were never really explored 842 00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:32,500 what people did to themselves. 843 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:33,940 Look, if you're going to inhale, 844 00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:37,140 Nate Amel-Nighttrade, 10 times a day, 845 00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:42,580 for 80% of your life, you're not going to be well, 846 00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:46,020 as soon as AIDS hit an HIV, all this information, 847 00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:49,620 people like John Larson saved people's lives. 848 00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:54,500 From the very beginning, the Centers for Disease Control, 849 00:46:54,580 --> 00:47:00,740 CDC, or day in a new infectious agent, was responsible. 850 00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:04,660 They completely ignored drugs and anything 851 00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:10,340 they could be curious to the circumstances of the two-made risk groups, 852 00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:13,860 gay men and intravenous drug users. 853 00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:17,860 I sensed that the CDC were on the wrong track, 854 00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:23,060 and I'd not evenly thought that I would be able to help them. 855 00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:26,660 After all, I'm a sister of a research analyst, 856 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:30,180 and as a gay activist, I do the gay world. 857 00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:32,580 Boy was I ever wrong. 858 00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:39,140 Behind the scenes, people were fabricating the AIDS narrative, 859 00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:43,860 and the last thing they needed was for being a body and blood reality. 860 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:50,660 For a while, I couldn't decide whether the CDC were dishonest 861 00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:54,900 or incompetent, and finally decided both. 862 00:47:56,180 --> 00:48:01,460 They were truly incompetent, ignorant of elementary statistics, 863 00:48:01,460 --> 00:48:03,300 at the same time as they lied. 864 00:48:05,540 --> 00:48:12,820 My first major AIDS article in 1985 showed that the CDC deliberately 865 00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:19,780 could student AIDS as an infectious disease, rather than sicknesses caused by toxins. 866 00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:28,100 Almost all of these deaths with people with AIDS or HIV and diagnosis 867 00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:31,940 were caused by worthless and toxic drugs, 868 00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:36,420 and the terror caused by AIDS propaganda, 869 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:40,900 and by the false information of the AIDS establishment, 870 00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:45,620 heroin users were told to keep shooting up with heroin, 871 00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:48,660 but to do so with clean needles. 872 00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:54,980 Gay men were told that poppers were dietary outlets were harmless. 873 00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:57,140 So what is the evidence for this now? 874 00:48:57,140 --> 00:48:59,380 I'll give you some data just briefly. 875 00:48:59,780 --> 00:49:03,140 This is from the Sanders Police's control, the interviewed, and checked 876 00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:06,420 risk-coup of main homosexuals. 877 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:11,060 And I point out, again, not your average American homosexual male. 878 00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:14,260 These are the ones risk-coups who have flown off the right 879 00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:19,060 having hundreds of thousands of sexual contacts on the weekend, 20 to 30. 880 00:49:19,060 --> 00:49:23,060 And this is how they do, not with testosterone alone, that may be in there, 881 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:27,380 but of 140 or 50, which they asked, who asked it up by somewhere. 882 00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:31,460 I heard it here, well, here's 120, and it's no 50. 883 00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:38,500 So it's 170, they asked, that self-proclaimed, 96% use 19% in health. 884 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:43,140 96% said, yes, we use that rock, and they use them for 10 years, and then they get 885 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:44,100 no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no 886 00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:43,140 no no no no no no no no no no no no 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no no no no no no no 889 00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:58,740 so liquid and open it up it volatileizes in these nightclubs and things and this guy's smell is stuff you know and I'm a chemist these nighttrients and haylands those things are carcineries and extremely potent chemicals 890 00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:06,260 the water soluble type we used to bake and you see nitrites and baking with no nitrites that was the water soluble type 891 00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:12,340 that kills bacteria and things and and also forms covalent bonds with the proteins and bacon 892 00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:19,780 Yeah it's very I would not open a bottle of that stuff outside of a few wood and laboratory and these guys were inhaling it 893 00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:25,220 you know and these nightclubs and now remember this caposes are commos only seen in these game in 894 00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:29,620 Not in the hemophiliax not 9v drug users 895 00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:36,660 So one of the first things that made me suspicious back I think it was 8485 for sure 896 00:52:37,380 --> 00:52:42,820 About this HIV business what how does this virus know that you're gay and I'm supposed to cause 897 00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:49,220 Caposes are coming in you and not in these IV drug using white me. I give them TB or something like that you know 898 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:57,300 I mean that was one of my first my first suspicions you know by in 1987 I realized this whole whole shoot match 899 00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:04,740 With the contagious sexually transmitted HIV was not terrible in fact it was crap 900 00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:07,540 You know my point is John Lawrence and was right 901 00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:12,340 Was John Lawrence and howl David I think who wrote that pamphlet on 902 00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:18,740 Poppers and AIDS and and it was very very good what they did they got the message out there 903 00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:22,820 Taking these sorts of drugs cannot be good for you look 904 00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:27,220 Who hasn't taken something in their life you know? I'm no angel. I'm no saint 905 00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:31,780 But I'm not so I don't think it's good to advocate that as a lifestyle 906 00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:37,860 But that's what happened in the gay community in the 70s and 80s the commercialized gay identity took over 907 00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:40,020 The manufacture this 908 00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:46,980 Political identity that was linked to promiscuity drug use the bar scene you name it 909 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:50,740 Once people started to learn the risks they changed their behavior 910 00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:58,500 You look at all the graph on AIDS the numbers went down before the drugs came out people started changing their behaviors 911 00:53:59,140 --> 00:54:00,500 lifestyle 912 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:08,500 Nutrition the natural decline in AIDS which started a nice graph of it think it was in the early 913 00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:13,700 Around early 90s around 89 99 91 something like that 914 00:54:14,020 --> 00:54:18,260 The interesting thing of it is there are about three or four definitions of AIDS 915 00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:21,460 They kept changing it and adding new diseases every year and not a year 916 00:54:21,460 --> 00:54:25,540 But periodically and then they and started 917 00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:32,820 peaking and they around 87 and 88 somewhere and they're you know and and then it couldn't have that go away 918 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:39,860 So they keep changing it and then it comes up again and it starts peaking again and they couldn't have that 919 00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:45,060 Go so in 1993 they had a really big change in definition 920 00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:48,500 And that was where 921 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:50,900 You didn't have to have any disease 922 00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:57,060 All you had to be as HIV positive by the antibody test and have fewer than 200 Cv4 cells 923 00:54:57,060 --> 00:55:02,260 Promicer leader of blood and you'd be perfectly healthy otherwise you would know there's anything wrong with you 924 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:04,500 They measure your Cv4 cells 925 00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:11,140 White blood cells and then certain white blood cells and if you had anybody's HIV on on that test 926 00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:12,900 You were in AIDS case 927 00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:14,900 HIV AIDS case and that 928 00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:17,300 overnight 929 00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:18,580 Triple 930 00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:22,180 The number of AIDS cases from December 31st to January 1st 931 00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:25,860 1993 or night I forget the exact year 932 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,820 It was I think in 1993 when I came very next year 933 00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:33,060 Triple and then it started going down again 934 00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:38,740 Because that was the definition change but AIDS had always been going down and down and down and now 935 00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:41,140 On it's all naturally 936 00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:47,380 The gay guys said are 80 figured it out in the mid-med to late 80s that their drugs were killing them 937 00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:52,980 And they stopped they really pull back on the poppers the nitriding halence and other things and 938 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:57,780 They spread that among themselves that one come from the CDC or anywhere else they did this among them cell 939 00:55:58,740 --> 00:56:02,980 I've graphs and I got them from the CDC you can see the cases of AIDS 940 00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:10,500 You know it peaked up there around nine early early 90s and it started going down and then they had the mortality mortality always 941 00:56:10,740 --> 00:56:14,740 This offset comes a little later than the actual cases of AIDS 942 00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:18,980 But it started it had already picked and was going down too before they started it out with heart 943 00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:25,700 Highly active entry of your therapy which was a mixture of two or three of these nucleicide analogs plus proteacinema 944 00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:27,700 Jettie predies two 945 00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:33,940 Okay, within a year months to a year of starting heart the natural decline in AIDS 946 00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:37,220 stopped 947 00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:44,740 The natural decline in AIDS stopped and started leveling out and the natural decline in AIDS deaths stopped 948 00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:49,940 After they started giving them the highly active anti-winter part there of the heart 949 00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:53,620 Which meant that it wasn't doing them any good 950 00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:57,220 You know the myth is that 951 00:56:58,180 --> 00:57:00,180 AZT came along and 952 00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:07,460 And you know and the cocktails came along and they really helped people they saved lives 953 00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:09,060 Prop again 954 00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:13,940 They haven't helped him about the cancer chemotherapy people don't understand 955 00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:18,980 AZT and heart and these anti-winter viral drugs all of them are for life 956 00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:26,180 Because by government policy and thinny Fauci you can't be cured of it 957 00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:30,420 You can't be cured of AIDS that's what they've said from the beginning and it hasn't changed 958 00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:34,660 That's great for the pharmaceutical industry then keep testing people and they can keep 959 00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,580 Treating them with these very dangerous drugs AZT DDI 3 to 960 00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:43,380 D40 961 00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:50,340 D4 C3 T4 C and all these other drugs, you know and heart and keep making billions 962 00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:54,340 So 963 00:57:54,340 --> 00:58:00,900 It's a lie. It's an absolute lie. Okay. It's not just AZT they they were killing so many so many gay men with the 964 00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:03,780 Nicely side analogs in the late 80s and early 90s 965 00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:08,100 They had this up my about that because it's very clear they were wiping them out with those drugs 966 00:58:08,740 --> 00:58:14,180 And so they lowered the dose. I think they went down eventually threefold or even more than that on the dose 967 00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:21,380 So it's more tolerable people could last longer on those drugs as a consequence the the 968 00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:24,980 Media death that Tally goes down 969 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:28,980 I remember in the 1980s when I first worked 970 00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:32,100 On the first HIV ward in the UK 971 00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:38,340 1987 AZT the Concord trial was the search trial that 972 00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:47,380 Established they say the efficacy of AZT or the inefficacy of it depending on what you believe 973 00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:54,180 The way it was marketed AZT was a fail cancer drug that was repurposed for AIDS 974 00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:58,260 Yeah, basically it was on the shelf it failed for cancer 975 00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:02,100 They took it off the shelf they said it is showed in 976 00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:12,180 In vitro efficacy against HIV which meant that in the lab in the lab it showed some effect on HIV 977 00:59:12,420 --> 00:59:14,420 So they started trialling it 978 00:59:15,380 --> 00:59:17,380 Once it was in the Concord trial 979 00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:20,420 Oh my god 980 00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:24,820 Patients were fed this idea that this was the only drug we've got 981 00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:30,980 I remember it was welcome that marketed it the old burrison welcome welcome did the test 982 00:59:31,620 --> 00:59:37,060 The welcome did the the trial help with the trials the Concord trial in 1987 983 00:59:38,180 --> 00:59:43,780 And patients were led to believe it's the only thing we've got in our arsenal of drugs 984 00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:45,780 It's the wonder drug 985 00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:49,940 That was the that's the implicit message they didn't call it a wonder drug 986 00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:54,180 This said it's the only thing that we got that works we've got this killer disease 987 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:58,900 You've tested positive for it and this is the only thing we've got to give you 988 00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:00:04,420 Well, they all queued up for it most of them 99% of them couldn't get it quick enough 989 01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:06,980 Some of them had timers 990 01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:10,980 They had timers on them like you know when you cook an egg 991 01:00:11,540 --> 01:00:16,980 Yeah, you set it for three minutes or five minutes. I like my eggs hard so I have them for five minutes 992 01:00:17,540 --> 01:00:22,980 Right there timers on them so the dosing was four hourly that four hourly timers 993 01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:28,900 By their beds and they're alarm and nurse I got my I need by his a T now 994 01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:34,100 It the alarms gone off. I need it now to control the virus. You know that were like they were like 995 01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:38,500 Primed for it. They were like a market 996 01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:44,580 They were it was marketed to people and they were willing market they swallowed it 997 01:00:45,460 --> 01:00:46,580 Literally 998 01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:50,660 metaphorically they swallowed it effort danced the theory 999 01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:59,220 Which is actually kind of obvious and almost all-fetched it's a chemical epidemic not a viral epidemic caused by the long-term 1000 01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:02,020 Concentration of red and recreational 1001 01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:06,420 Psychoactive and Afro-desire drugs or 1002 01:01:06,980 --> 01:01:08,420 inevitably 1003 01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:12,740 toxic DNA chain terminators a 40 years inhibitors which are now 1004 01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:17,860 Described to each have a positive to prevent or cure AIDS 1005 01:01:18,420 --> 01:01:25,460 Accordingly AIDS is largely preventable chemical or medical lifestyle disease that's 1006 01:01:28,180 --> 01:01:30,180 Who said no I think it was 1007 01:01:31,140 --> 01:01:37,860 One of my two crews which is 30% of us die from doctors. I think that's that's certainly true for the 1008 01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:41,620 For the patients when they get these DNA chain terminators 1009 01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:45,220 It's they're designed to kill human cells. I mean it's 1010 01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:51,300 It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that they would have to die from it. It's a made off those of time 1011 01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:57,940 But it is it is not survivor to take DNA chain terminators on the long-long the 1012 01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:01,540 The first the nucleicide analogs are are 1013 01:02:01,940 --> 01:02:04,500 Cytotoxic drugs are designed to stop 1014 01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:07,300 Celded asian and kill cells and 1015 01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:09,620 They haven't changed. There's a still part of heart 1016 01:02:10,580 --> 01:02:16,420 So those were toxic lethal drugs to begin with they just reduce the dose and added these 1017 01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:19,220 Proteacin inhibitors which have their own spectrum of complications 1018 01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:28,180 I mean it is in a coincidence that that they gave people drugs that caused the very same 1019 01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:35,140 Symptoms that they were claiming to of course not because drugs are what cause those symptoms begin with 1020 01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:42,340 You know they happen to be recreational drugs primarily but they could be the nitrate and haylands they could be heroin 1021 01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:44,900 The infatomines 1022 01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:46,900 Things like that that's what was causing a lot of 1023 01:02:47,380 --> 01:02:51,300 Remember a lot of these diseases they had weren't immune suppressor diseases 1024 01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:55,540 You know and drugs will do that drugs are the chemotherapy for cancer 1025 01:02:56,020 --> 01:03:01,140 One of the serious problems of mortality and cancer patients is dying of infectious disease 1026 01:03:01,540 --> 01:03:04,260 As a consequence of what they're doing to their immune system 1027 01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:09,380 So it's no mystery there chemotherapy for cancer can cause AIDS diseases 1028 01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:13,860 You know and of course they're giving this chemotherapy for cancer 1029 01:03:13,860 --> 01:03:16,900 These nucleicide analogs to HIV positive people for life 1030 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:19,300 Surprise surprise that they get sick 1031 01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:23,620 Their immune systems contact out delivers fail their brains go long-key 1032 01:03:24,260 --> 01:03:26,260 They have all kinds of problems 1033 01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:28,820 Hey 1034 01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:31,220 It's 1035 01:03:31,220 --> 01:03:35,620 It's just toxic it was written in in science also that the ACT 1036 01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:41,460 User-based it damage the bone marrow of AIDS victims 1037 01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:46,900 That was a big article in science in 1038 01:03:47,780 --> 01:03:49,780 1039 01:03:49,780 --> 01:03:51,780 probably 1040 01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:56,900 That ACT use in eight big hemispomable 1041 01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:58,980 Mellars of depression 1042 01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:04,660 Amperes ACT use in AIDS victims that was the headline in the science report 1043 01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:06,900 And that's what it is 1044 01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:08,900 ACT was 1045 01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:13,620 AIDS prescription because it really did the same problem 1046 01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:15,540 Which we wanted 1047 01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:17,860 to fight 1048 01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:20,900 And that's why Dr. Stit noticed it 1049 01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,180 Is it tea? 1050 01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:23,780 Is it disgusting drug? 1051 01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:26,260 I worked with a hematologist at the time 1052 01:04:26,340 --> 01:04:30,580 In the early 90s who said to me I wouldn't take it if 1053 01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:34,900 If it's the only thing they had if I was positive because it destroys your bone marrow 1054 01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:38,900 That's his words and I looked it up and of course it did 1055 01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:44,340 Makes people newtropenic it gets rid of the white blood cells and it it affects the bone marrow 1056 01:04:45,140 --> 01:04:46,420 It affects the bone marrow 1057 01:04:47,380 --> 01:04:52,900 And a lot of the patients when they went on a CT their white cell count dropped 1058 01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:54,900 Their bone marrow was affected 1059 01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:58,900 And they died of opportunistic infections due to having 1060 01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:02,900 Nutripeania low white blood cells or no blood cells 1061 01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:04,740 No white blood cells and 1062 01:05:05,940 --> 01:05:10,580 No ability to fight infection because you need a white blood cells to fight infection 1063 01:05:10,580 --> 01:05:14,180 So they got an opportunistic infections which are diagnostic of AIDS 1064 01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:16,100 You know very interesting isn't it? 1065 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:19,620 You know a medically induced condition 1066 01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:22,500 You die of the condition that you expect to prevent 1067 01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:26,820 So anti viral toxic prescribed to HIV positive are they 1068 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:34,340 AIDS by prescription if we don't have a virus to kill they couldn't possibly be justified in 1069 01:05:34,340 --> 01:05:40,980 In any way whatsoever for what they really are we did some tests in the laboratory and bought AZT 1070 01:05:41,620 --> 01:05:45,860 From the biochemical company. I'm not in we ordered to chest it in cell culture 1071 01:05:45,860 --> 01:05:47,380 100 milligrams 1072 01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:52,260 That's a fifth of the dose that is the standard of care for a pregnant mother 1073 01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:59,940 With HIV positive in the third and second primeester mother's are not supposed to drink beer in America 1074 01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:06,180 But when they're unshibody positive they supposedly taking five times that much and we did 1075 01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:12,740 And here's what they say you can read if has a little bit by toxic by inhalation that's sigma 1076 01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:16,660 Sigma company biochemical they're not selling it for patients 1077 01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:21,700 In contact with the skin and it's it's followed target organs 1078 01:06:22,340 --> 01:06:27,460 Plot bone marrow that's where the t-cells come from if you feel on well seek medical advice 1079 01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:34,420 Show the label we're possible they don't you have changed the label now they had took the scouting gosspons of and well 1080 01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:39,700 We are suitable protective closing that's that's written for 1081 01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:47,300 Scientists train scientists working in laboratory but the moms who have HIV positive producing a baby 1082 01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:52,900 at five times as much as a unicorn on it and both well-cumbend and yeah, yes 1083 01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:56,660 That's how it looks on their the same stuff and 1084 01:06:57,620 --> 01:07:03,620 The licensing study of acety was published in union journey and was cut off after four months already 1085 01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:07,860 Because at that point it's it looked like acety was working 1086 01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:14,180 But if you looked at the side effect and you could see that the patient only survived in the treatment group because of 1087 01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:22,020 The blood transfusions because they're bone marrow got down, but they got life life saving blood transfusions 1088 01:07:22,820 --> 01:07:31,220 And after four months the situation looked like the the treatment group did a little bit better than the placebo group on on the basis of this 1089 01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:33,380 study 1090 01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:37,380 acety was released as a lifelong treatment and 1091 01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:40,500 People 1092 01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:45,860 Couldn't stand this treatment they died like flies John Lawrence and had broken the AZT story 1093 01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:50,020 It was really his story and he did it in such an incredible job 1094 01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:54,260 But we also did did good reporting on AZT and I got the FDA 1095 01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:59,300 I got the FDA documents where that it was the entire 1096 01:08:00,020 --> 01:08:04,340 Transcript of what they said behind closed doors when they approved AZT and 1097 01:08:04,820 --> 01:08:08,980 They basically said we have no idea what this thing is going to do it might kill people 1098 01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:14,740 We don't know we better and they were basically leaning toward we can't do this we don't know what this stuff does but 1099 01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:18,180 This one 1100 01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:22,420 Head some some major guy at the FDA 1101 01:08:23,380 --> 01:08:28,820 Chines in in the middle of this and he says listen guys with just to prove it just just do this just do it 1102 01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:34,580 And they were very apprehensive, but they were like all right, they did it and they that was Pandora's box 1103 01:08:34,580 --> 01:08:38,580 That's that's a really important Pandora's box moment when AZT is approved 1104 01:08:39,860 --> 01:08:41,860 Without there being any 1105 01:08:43,060 --> 01:08:46,900 How could there be safety that our on AZT it was it was 1106 01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:53,380 One of the most toxic drugs ever given to humans and it is now estimated to have killed up order 1107 01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:57,540 300,000 mostly gay men. I have one patients the left from 1108 01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:00,580 on that 1109 01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:04,980 On that time who was infected with HIV 1110 01:09:05,940 --> 01:09:11,060 In 1985 and he survived that because he didn't took the AZT 1111 01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:17,220 But there's a very few cases. I have still some more patients who survived 1112 01:09:18,020 --> 01:09:22,020 The AZT drama because they didn't take it and 1113 01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:27,540 But most of them took it because of fear because 1114 01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:30,420 Like today 1115 01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:40,500 Most of them took the recommended treatment and that's why I was so alert as I when I saw how the treatment against COVID 1116 01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:43,860 Was 1117 01:09:44,420 --> 01:09:49,860 The plan of the treatment for COVID and I saw it was odd you must have immunosuppressive blacks and I saw that 1118 01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:53,540 The sit that we still have the same ceremonial 1119 01:09:54,180 --> 01:09:57,220 Master and will be Fauci who recommended it and 1120 01:09:57,860 --> 01:10:01,300 Here recommend it as a tea at that time as well 1121 01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:08,580 Well the reason that only one drug is been made available as a team because as the only drug that thus far has been shown 1122 01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:12,020 Insigned typically controlled trials to be safe and effective 1123 01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:15,380 It isn't the question of there are a lot of drugs around and only one is being released 1124 01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:17,860 That's the only one that has been shown to be affected 1125 01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:24,580 The demand from patients the prescription was written with signed patients one to do it 1126 01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:32,900 Yes, it just come off the press was experimental really we gave it to people and I'm afraid I was part of that 1127 01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:38,740 At the time so what I think about it now is I'm not very happy about that 1128 01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,300 But as part of that whole 1129 01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:43,700 Mindset like everybody else 1130 01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:50,580 All I can say in my defense is that I came out of that mindset 10 years later 1131 01:10:51,140 --> 01:10:53,620 Says a bit like coming out of a cult in a way 1132 01:10:54,180 --> 01:10:56,180 You know maybe the HIV 1133 01:10:56,420 --> 01:11:00,900 AIDS paradigm is a cult it's a cult like SARS-CoV-2 and COVID 19 1134 01:11:01,460 --> 01:11:05,460 Once you believe in it it infects every part of your life 1135 01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:13,140 But anyway that article came out and it was a long time after it came out 1136 01:11:14,260 --> 01:11:17,260 Then I noticed that 1137 01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:24,100 The most important quote which was from a whistleblower at one of the major hospitals in New York 1138 01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:25,620 What he said I've stopped 1139 01:11:26,980 --> 01:11:34,980 Giving AZT to my patients because I noticed that the only patients that survive over the ones I haven't given AZT to 1140 01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:37,620 Now he didn't let me use his name 1141 01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:42,980 I can say his name now his name is Dr. Michael Leng 1142 01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:48,340 That quote was in the piece 1143 01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:54,900 It wasn't in the magazine and we found out 1144 01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:01,460 There was somebody working in the editorial department who had actually 1145 01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:09,060 Cut it out with an exacto knife and removed it quote. Yeah, the work that we had sabotures 1146 01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:11,540 Who would cut quotes out 1147 01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:19,780 Yeah, but the whole thing was had a religious flavor to it where we'd been asked had an ideological flavor that's the word 1148 01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:22,820 and I remember was one 1149 01:12:24,820 --> 01:12:29,460 Senior registrar's the senior doctor grade in this country he's now professor now 1150 01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:36,340 I hear a member me because I came up against him and he said but this patient were not resuscitating him 1151 01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:42,900 And it's an I questioned it a question date always and he said I've told you 1152 01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:44,900 Anyway, I've given you the study 1153 01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,300 The reference go look it up 1154 01:12:47,620 --> 01:12:55,540 So I went and looked the study up because I started to do a master's degree at the time and defied him a doctor and I looked at the research design is just 1155 01:12:55,860 --> 01:12:57,860 observational data and 1156 01:12:57,860 --> 01:12:59,860 in one meeting 1157 01:12:59,860 --> 01:13:01,860 In front of twenty something staff 1158 01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:07,700 I challenged this doctor senior doctor and our team is senior registrar just below professor 1159 01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:15,380 I said you can't treat this patient based on this study because it's pulled data it's observational data 1160 01:13:15,380 --> 01:13:17,380 It's not around the mice control trial 1161 01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:23,460 So it's not a fact it's just observational and it don't really across 200 patients 1162 01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:27,300 He was so angry at me 1163 01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:33,380 He did this he reached out got a book it was bigger than this and he threw it at me across the room 1164 01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:40,580 And it hit me on the face in front of all the staff and I unit and you know 1165 01:13:41,460 --> 01:13:44,260 I knew then there's something wrong with this 1166 01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:47,060 because you know 1167 01:13:47,780 --> 01:13:53,060 Or every nurse every RN always challenges doctors it's part of the deal you know is the patient 1168 01:13:53,940 --> 01:13:57,300 But when I got a book thrown at me across my face 1169 01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:05,300 And the doctor walked out of the room walked down the hall the clinical psychologist night team ran after him and said 1170 01:14:05,860 --> 01:14:09,700 Rob Rob come back you cannot assault the nursing staff 1171 01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:18,980 But I knew I put my finger on the Achilles heel here of the whole thing a new disease 1172 01:14:19,940 --> 01:14:23,300 Pool data pool data across 200 cases 1173 01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:26,740 You're gonna start 1174 01:14:26,980 --> 01:14:30,100 Palt of care pathway on a patient based on that 1175 01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:36,980 35 year old patient oh I knew there's something very very wrong here 1176 01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:39,700 It's death prescription 1177 01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:42,580 You know never mind the 1178 01:14:42,580 --> 01:14:48,340 Detesting and all the flaws at that the application of this was very evil 1179 01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:53,060 There's something very wrong here all those staff knew that I put my finger on the 1180 01:14:53,860 --> 01:14:59,140 Buzzaheer with the particular doctor and he did apologize for the assault later 1181 01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:01,700 But I just showed to me 1182 01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:03,700 What are you dealing with here where 1183 01:15:04,180 --> 01:15:10,260 Somebody goes to violence against you because you ask them you challenge the science 1184 01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:19,940 Yeah, you challenged the science I was my own boss so they couldn't hurt me now had I been like in a university there at UCSF or something like that 1185 01:15:19,940 --> 01:15:24,180 I guarantee you my funding would have been affected I wouldn't have got it anymore 1186 01:15:24,580 --> 01:15:31,220 Like Professor Peter Duzberg at University California Berkeley so I have first-hand knowledge about how he's been treated over the decades 1187 01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:34,660 And and he had a huge stature 1188 01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:37,700 anybody who spoke out 1189 01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:39,700 About AIDS 1190 01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:44,900 You didn't have a career you could get money or anything. I could speak out easily I'm my own company 1191 01:15:45,460 --> 01:15:48,660 I lost opportunities even some of my companies folded 1192 01:15:49,940 --> 01:15:57,700 Because of silent behind the scenes pressure one other funders and things like that even here in the South Carolina 1193 01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:01,540 We will accompany we move viral forensics from California here to North Carolina 1194 01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:04,500 It was quietly overnight 1195 01:16:05,380 --> 01:16:06,740 Contract was killed 1196 01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,900 That's what happens 1197 01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:10,900 if you speak out 1198 01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:13,460 or against 1199 01:16:13,460 --> 01:16:16,100 government or institutional dog none 1200 01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:21,700 You will be punished so it's no surprise that most people 1201 01:16:22,820 --> 01:16:29,860 Who have any thoughts or or disagree with a many of the things that are being told of the public 1202 01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:34,100 That they know is not true that's wrong why they keep quiet 1203 01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:37,700 In amount of money that's been spent on AIDS 1204 01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:40,820 is a gigantic number 1205 01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:44,980 I probably would estimate fifty trillion dollars 1206 01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:50,500 Roughly if I'll give it give or take five trillion that's how much money has been spent 1207 01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:53,460 one state of the hard land rovers 1208 01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:56,420 Research centers 1209 01:16:56,420 --> 01:16:59,380 state of the art clinics in Africa and 1210 01:16:59,780 --> 01:17:06,420 a lot of salaries for a lot of people who work in those clinics and at those anti-natal clinics 1211 01:17:06,980 --> 01:17:08,820 hospitals and wars 1212 01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:12,500 There's a big financial 1213 01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:19,220 incentive for going along with the raining dogma that was brought home to me when I went and 1214 01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:25,780 I once gave a talk and a little country little land block country near in South Africa called Swaziland 1215 01:17:26,740 --> 01:17:28,500 And I was invited to 1216 01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,900 um, Babbani which is the capital of Swaziland to meet with the Swaziland 1217 01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:35,620 anti-AIDS crisis team 1218 01:17:36,420 --> 01:17:40,100 What I made my better I made my presentation answer their questions 1219 01:17:40,660 --> 01:17:43,140 Took some photographs after about two hours 1220 01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:46,740 a woman a lawyer named Teresa came up to me 1221 01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:50,260 and she said, can I speak to you privately? 1222 01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:55,380 She's a lawyer. She's very prominent attorney in the Justice Department 1223 01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:58,820 on the AIDS, you know, crisis relief team for Swaziland 1224 01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:02,020 She said, I'm very very perplexed 1225 01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:04,340 what you just described 1226 01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:07,460 is exactly what goes on in Swaziland 1227 01:18:08,260 --> 01:18:10,180 but she said, what am I supposed to do? 1228 01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:14,740 I picked you up, we picked you up at the airport in this state of the art 1229 01:18:15,620 --> 01:18:16,580 you know, SUV 1230 01:18:17,620 --> 01:18:20,740 and it's covered with AIDS paraphernalia 1231 01:18:21,380 --> 01:18:26,340 It's a $50,000 automobile that they drive around and going from clinic to clinic 1232 01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:29,220 She said, if I say anything like 1233 01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:32,180 what you have been saying, I'll lose my position 1234 01:18:33,380 --> 01:18:36,820 I said, I understand Teresa, don't lose your position 1235 01:18:37,460 --> 01:18:43,060 don't repeat what I told you, keep it to yourself that's the best I can tell you to do 1236 01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:50,500 and we had indeed talks with epidemiologists from 1237 01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:54,580 the United States, invited them to come to Europe 1238 01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:59,140 and we had talks with them and then these had us, yes, we know that 1239 01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:03,220 but they couldn't say anything about it because 1240 01:19:03,940 --> 01:19:07,620 I have family, I have children so it was clear 1241 01:19:08,180 --> 01:19:11,220 that they shouldn't talk about this problem 1242 01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:16,180 The minister of health in South Africa in the late 90s 1243 01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:23,940 was a Zulu woman who was a physician and she was really very very talented and very good 1244 01:19:24,740 --> 01:19:31,940 I had lunch with Monto at the A-Divisory panel that I was on in Johannesburg 1245 01:19:32,580 --> 01:19:34,980 a couple of days before the A-Ds conference 1246 01:19:35,860 --> 01:19:38,740 She told me a wonderful story about her teenage daughter 1247 01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:42,900 her teenage daughter had said to her, mom 1248 01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:47,940 you're the minister of health, you're not the minister of AIDS 1249 01:19:48,660 --> 01:19:51,220 there's other things affecting South Africans 1250 01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:57,220 involving health, get off the AIDS businesses, lots of other things that are more important 1251 01:19:57,220 --> 01:20:02,260 in your responsible, they eventually kicked her out because of her office 1252 01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:06,900 because she agreed with the criticisms as a physician, as a South African, 1253 01:20:06,980 --> 01:20:08,820 as the minister of health out, 1254 01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:15,300 lot of the state can't blame people for wanting to keep their jobs 1255 01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:17,380 and their reputations intact 1256 01:20:18,580 --> 01:20:24,500 How did they, they the AIDS apparatus, the AIDS machine 1257 01:20:24,740 --> 01:20:25,460 and that means 1258 01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:32,500 Tony Fauci essentially and his entire 1259 01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:39,060 you know, kingdom of money and power and influence the whole 1260 01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:44,180 society, how did they how did they manage to wipe out 1261 01:20:46,180 --> 01:20:51,460 what was actually a really formidable descent movement and by formidable 1262 01:20:51,460 --> 01:20:55,220 what I mean is it wasn't people know the name Peter Du Spurke, they know the name 1263 01:20:55,300 --> 01:21:01,620 now, Kerry Moss, but it was actually a who's who, the best 1264 01:21:05,460 --> 01:21:09,940 scientists and many disciplines both in the United States and around the world 1265 01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:14,420 they have like what they have a they have a distortion machine in their distortion machine 1266 01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:18,820 what came out in the media was the only guy who doesn't think 1267 01:21:18,820 --> 01:21:22,900 HIV causes AIDS is Peter Du Spurke and they'd have like a cartoon of him 1268 01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:28,100 and they would make fun of his German accent and I actually had a scientist at Berkeley tell me 1269 01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:36,820 point blank woman a bee singer I went into her her study she said you want to talk about Peter 1270 01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:45,140 Du Spurke and she closed the door and she said well Peter maybe right but he doesn't 1271 01:21:45,140 --> 01:21:51,700 understand how to play the game and I just he doesn't understand anything about how you just 1272 01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:55,860 you don't just go up against everybody and say that they're all wrong you can't just do that 1273 01:21:56,740 --> 01:22:04,100 and I said but he thinks they're all wrong and that's he's behaving as a scientist 1274 01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:10,260 shortly right and she she literally said something along the lines of 1275 01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:13,860 this is all in that piece the passion of Peter Du Spurke 1276 01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:22,500 Well science isn't just just science isn't just who's right it isn't just who's right and who's wrong 1277 01:22:22,500 --> 01:22:27,860 you have to play the game you have to play the game you have to know you have to you can't just go 1278 01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:33,780 up against everybody you have to you get and I said get along and she said yes yes get along 1279 01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:41,700 Office of Medical and Scientific Justice was one of them it was a group of lawyers investigators 1280 01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:48,420 physicians scientists I was one of the scientists we you know to give expert testimony things like that 1281 01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:54,260 for criminal and civil cases related to HIV and I've been involved in 1282 01:22:55,540 --> 01:23:02,900 50 or so of these cases over the years my very first case was a civilian case so it wasn't a civil 1283 01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:11,540 case it was not a criminal case up in Maine I do with a woman who lost one child to anti-Returnal drugs 1284 01:23:12,340 --> 01:23:19,140 and the state wanted to take her daughter away because she refused to give her daughter 1285 01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:25,860 anti-Returnal drugs because she lost her son to the anti-Returnal drugs and went to court 1286 01:23:25,860 --> 01:23:29,940 because the state wanted to take away because the mother is not doing the right thing she's not 1287 01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:36,340 protecting your child against HIV we went to court unfortunately in Maine they listed we had a couple 1288 01:23:36,340 --> 01:23:42,980 of experts I was one of them up there and the judge said this woman did everything followed 1289 01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:50,980 all instructions everything the best medicine had to offer and her child died you know and it's 1290 01:23:50,980 --> 01:23:56,180 said the state of Maine does not have the right to make her go through this again I'm paraphrasing him 1291 01:23:56,180 --> 01:24:00,820 you know on that so we won that very very first one was on there's great just as she kept her 1292 01:24:00,820 --> 01:24:05,300 child they didn't take her kid away they brought these big hot shots in from Boston and tried to 1293 01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:13,300 intimidate her and going so that started the legal stuff that I got involved with so we did 1294 01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:19,300 all we had all these cases and we won a lot of one most of them actually and usually a lot of 1295 01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:24,420 most of them didn't even go to trial because as I mentioned earlier all we had to do with 1296 01:24:24,420 --> 01:24:32,900 shut the incident so the test so the prosecutors had really no place to go because they were 1297 01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:38,660 basing in on these people that were HIV positive actually were exposing other people to a virus 1298 01:24:38,660 --> 01:24:43,300 when in fact the test cannot tell you whether or not that person was actually infected with the virus 1299 01:24:44,180 --> 01:24:49,460 so then like I said we were winning a lot of these cases the ones that went to trial and 1300 01:24:49,460 --> 01:24:55,300 other I would testify in the courtroom along with the other team and we would read those inserts 1301 01:24:55,300 --> 01:25:00,660 and everything and but then they started using more and more the PCR viral load instead of the 1302 01:25:00,660 --> 01:25:06,100 antibody test and trying to say that the PCR is a better test than the antibody test and they're 1303 01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:10,900 using that and we want a lot of those too because the insert says the same thing pretty much the same 1304 01:25:10,900 --> 01:25:16,500 thing is the antibody anybody anybody test we can't diagnose that AIDS or the her presence of HIV 1305 01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:24,180 or confirmed the presence of it with these things so they went went to that but we we didn't stop there 1306 01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:31,620 we kept looking for other ways to derail the HIV thing we started we collaborated 1307 01:25:31,620 --> 01:25:38,420 consulted with some electron microscopy at universities it just so happened that that same building 1308 01:25:38,420 --> 01:25:44,820 it was a fellow who was who cultured HIV those are part of the HIV been doing it since the 80s 1309 01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:53,540 he got the HIV from Raragallus lab at the NIH so we had authentic in quotes HIV there's a 1310 01:25:53,540 --> 01:26:01,540 reference nobody had ever observed HIV using any method in human being before so we wanted to have 1311 01:26:01,540 --> 01:26:07,620 a reference standard and we had a reference standard net billing and what what what what I mean 1312 01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:14,420 by authentic it's what the CDC what the NIH what Robert Gallo considers authentic HIV that's all I care 1313 01:26:14,420 --> 01:26:21,060 about so then we spent that into to some but had blood nobody in the world had ever showed HIV in 1314 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:26,420 their blood so we took sample of blood sure enough there's nothing looks like HIV in it so we added 1315 01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:33,140 this HIV to it voila there it is all right there you see the spot you can see it has all the characteristics 1316 01:26:33,140 --> 01:26:40,020 morphology, size and everything so he had some samples he did this for us and the few of the legal cases 1317 01:26:41,460 --> 01:26:48,180 he would take blood samples from the person so-called fake it with HIV was a high viral load you know 1318 01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:53,780 or whatever you know lots of irons in this person and guess what without spiking it you have 1319 01:26:53,780 --> 01:26:58,900 find it but as a control you take the other half you divide the blood into two portions one you put 1320 01:26:58,900 --> 01:27:03,940 HIV in at the reference the other you don't do anything what the HIV sure enough there it is you know 1321 01:27:03,940 --> 01:27:09,380 you can see it and the one that we didn't add it to there's no HIV in there so that's pretty 1322 01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:15,060 clear evidence that you could show in a courtroom to a jury you know so that was what viral forensics 1323 01:27:15,060 --> 01:27:21,460 was all about eventually we were doing that as well as Jay to all of this Jay closed its doors 1324 01:27:22,580 --> 01:27:29,540 because we couldn't collaborate we couldn't collaborate with the the academic electron microscopists 1325 01:27:29,540 --> 01:27:38,980 anymore because one case that we were in one of the government attorneys was she was an expert 1326 01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:45,860 witness for the prosecutor she convinced the prosecutor to put pressure on the university of 1327 01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:52,180 Massachusetts the boss of the sky who was not a full professor electron microscopy so he had he had to 1328 01:27:52,180 --> 01:28:00,820 pull out he had to pull out and the judge found out about this we told the judge about this we 1329 01:28:00,820 --> 01:28:07,380 weren't even going to use him in that case but she didn't want his using him you know and the judge 1330 01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:14,900 ruled that this was a undo command influence which is pampering you know with witnesses and the judge 1331 01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:21,780 gave us two months to find another electron microscopus well he couldn't find no academic nobody 1332 01:28:21,780 --> 01:28:28,100 already had it the words out okay get it this happens so many times the sort of thing and then 1333 01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:31,860 we went back to we couldn't find we'll see gave us I think another three months 1334 01:28:32,740 --> 01:28:37,380 and we still couldn't find one so that's when Bob Lepa he's he's the money guy 1335 01:28:38,740 --> 01:28:43,780 he said well let's set up our own company we called it viral forensic and it was electron microscopy 1336 01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:52,660 and I hired a professional electron microscopist and I hired as a consultant a guy who had been 1337 01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:59,940 cultureing HIV for vaccine production nobody's ever succeeded making HIV vaccine but they need HIV 1338 01:29:00,020 --> 01:29:05,060 to make the vaccine so he'd been doing that guy I forget 18 years or something like that long time 1339 01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:14,500 to work with us to help us build a lab to put an electron microscope culture HIV 1340 01:29:15,620 --> 01:29:19,860 and pick up where we left off and I found one here in Greensboro North Carolina 1341 01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:28,100 gateway university research park that was perfect they had a bunch of electron microscopes 1342 01:29:28,180 --> 01:29:34,980 they even had cultured HIV you know they had centrifuges they all sorts of things and 1343 01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:40,900 so we came out here I think it was April I came out here with my team like from microscopists 1344 01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:50,500 of the HIV guy and I think it was April 2017 we met the people there and they were very very 1345 01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:55,300 interested to get us because they had all this equipment the idea was put the academics and 1346 01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:59,860 industry together a little mirror there that's the big thing these days and they had all this 1347 01:29:59,860 --> 01:30:04,900 equipment very few people using it and here we were a company coming from California wanted to 1348 01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:10,820 relocate there bring our own stuff and they were so happy to have us that they they told volunteered 1349 01:30:10,820 --> 01:30:15,220 to buy some expensive centrifuges and all these sorts of things they really wanted to 1350 01:30:15,220 --> 01:30:23,860 take to be there we planned to be operational October 2017 and I went back in 1351 01:30:23,860 --> 01:30:28,340 in the August back to California helped Terry pack up move our stuff our personal stuff out here 1352 01:30:29,220 --> 01:30:36,340 and August 31st that night I got an email canceling our contract our five-year contract 1353 01:30:37,220 --> 01:30:44,900 with these guys and no explanation to this no explanation and they never told us 1354 01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:51,060 but I went to the academic guy they went and said my phone calls and email or anything but 1355 01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:56,980 I didn't have any ill-willed torties fellows and I did talk to the dean of the academic guy 1356 01:30:56,980 --> 01:31:02,420 he would happen to be in his office one day and I'd walk in there and almost said his name I said 1357 01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:07,780 just tell me what happened he should have said should have said should have said he said 1358 01:31:07,780 --> 01:31:11,940 I said just tell me what I might just want to he said David they don't want you here 1359 01:31:12,580 --> 01:31:16,100 and I knew exactly what he was talking about I mean had to have somebody had enough 1360 01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:27,860 cloud to force the dean to cancel my contract so I had to it was above him you know so 1361 01:31:29,140 --> 01:31:34,580 it wasn't just wasn't just a professor you know they had to take it up probably the board 1362 01:31:34,580 --> 01:31:39,940 and I was I don't know the details and they'll never tell me and at this point is moved 1363 01:31:40,900 --> 01:31:45,220 so you were you were trying to you were literally just doing the science 1364 01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:55,700 that would have shown the fall city of the HIV in the blood claim yeah and you weren't even 1365 01:31:55,700 --> 01:32:03,220 allowed to do that science that's right that's right what they did was with 1366 01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:10,260 every single dissenter and they had many formidable dissenters Peter do 1367 01:32:10,260 --> 01:32:14,980 sprue this first but it was it was Reno Bell Warriors 1368 01:32:16,980 --> 01:32:22,500 Barbara McClentock he never went on the record but I did speak to her and she did say I believe 1369 01:32:22,500 --> 01:32:27,700 the Peter Peter is right Peter gave me an over Barbara McClentock Walter Gilbert no 1370 01:32:27,700 --> 01:32:39,700 Gloria Carimales no Gloria Harry Ruben iconic biologist Richard Strowman 1371 01:32:41,540 --> 01:32:52,180 Lynn Marvellous Lynn Marvellous is the the name in evolutionary biology after Darwin 1372 01:32:53,140 --> 01:33:00,820 staunch defender of Peter do sprue. Surge land if I watched it play out I watched these 1373 01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:07,460 Titans they were really Titans of the marvellous of science not just American science but 1374 01:33:07,460 --> 01:33:14,980 international science and I watched them despair and I I I only really got this 1375 01:33:15,140 --> 01:33:22,900 this front roticket to this this whole story because nobody else wanted to interview them 1376 01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:30,740 so I kind of had the field not to myself there were there was a small group of us but 1377 01:33:31,700 --> 01:33:38,340 everybody got the message back in the editorial in the editorial office or at the tea at the studio 1378 01:33:38,420 --> 01:33:45,860 at the network everybody got this very clear memo don't touch that and I got that memo too don't 1379 01:33:45,860 --> 01:33:51,700 forget and they're very beginning don't touch that to say that Anthony Fauci controls the media 1380 01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:57,620 is a real understanding here's a story Peter just for me you should tell Peter was going to be 1381 01:33:57,620 --> 01:34:02,260 on one of the talk shows I don't know if it was C.A.N. or if it was one of one of the 1382 01:34:02,260 --> 01:34:06,980 big I think it was actually one of the networks and they were just going to straight forward journalism 1383 01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:12,740 how Dr. Duceburg you are an esteemed ritual biologist why don't you think H.A.B. is the cause of 1384 01:34:12,740 --> 01:34:17,540 me it's why everybody just agrees with you you know but when you have to say so maybe they flew into 1385 01:34:17,540 --> 01:34:25,140 New York he was in his hotel room on and about to go downstairs to get picked up by the car 1386 01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:31,700 and phone rings oh sorry Dr. Duceburg we have to cancel the interview and he says he literally turned 1387 01:34:31,780 --> 01:34:39,940 on the TV and Tony at the appointed time and Tony Fauci was sitting there talking about the latest 1388 01:34:39,940 --> 01:34:46,500 numbers and the latest scare and how so they must have had such a surveillance capacity even then 1389 01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:53,780 end or spies and moles and all this kind of stuff so they knew absolutely knew when somebody 1390 01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:59,780 was going to interview Peter Duceburg they punished by removing access by getting people fired by 1391 01:35:02,420 --> 01:35:10,260 just just a massive intimidation program that president of South Africa had a you know just stopped 1392 01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:17,620 what he was doing the president of South Africa toggle Becky in 2000 called 12 scientists he did the 1393 01:35:17,620 --> 01:35:23,700 exact purely scientific right thing he called 12 scientists from one side the 12 scientists from 1394 01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:29,780 the other put them all in a room together and what they did to toggle and Becky is a really grizzly 1395 01:35:29,860 --> 01:35:35,300 example and there's a lot of racism and it to real racism in that story how they they got 1396 01:35:35,300 --> 01:35:43,060 they got the entire world's press to go against toggle and Becky as you know suddenly mass murder 1397 01:35:43,060 --> 01:35:51,060 of guilty of what well it went from condoms to being guilty of stopping anti-retrolarle so now you see 1398 01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:59,540 I see the fangs of the pharmaceutical industry coming out here because guess what the ethos is the ethos 1399 01:35:59,620 --> 01:36:05,460 is drugs antibodies drugs antibodies drugs antibodies and what do you see with COVID and they're literally 1400 01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:11,700 saying you know vaccines into arms or vaccines into arms anybody who gets in the way any of this 1401 01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:21,780 complicating stuff is you know they found a formula and it worked it's the pack of lies basically 1402 01:36:21,860 --> 01:36:28,580 it's certainly pseudo science if it's anything at all it's pseudo science but it's certainly a 1403 01:36:28,580 --> 01:36:35,780 sci-op on those groups gay men black Africans and drug users certainly in the 80s and 90s they were 1404 01:36:35,780 --> 01:36:42,340 the targets they were the expendable communities that nobody would stand up for most of the money 1405 01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:50,420 seemed to be spent for a while on what we call KAP studies knowledge action and production 1406 01:36:50,980 --> 01:36:57,620 that was a way of saying that we were teaching Africans how to put on condoms on bananas so they 1407 01:36:57,620 --> 01:37:03,380 would know how to properly protect themselves it went for salaries it went for the setting up of 1408 01:37:03,380 --> 01:37:12,260 state of the art clinics in very secure areas like outside Shalabisa in Zulu and that that was a very 1409 01:37:12,260 --> 01:37:19,140 safe and secure area of South Africa the buildings and the money that went for these western researchers 1410 01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:27,700 was astronomical the money could have gone for the treatments of ordinary pro-seic common 1411 01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:36,340 widespread ailments that make African stick or can cause death the burculosis six months supply 1412 01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:43,460 of anti-dubercular medicines twenty dollars and the follow-up is about for about four months is about 1413 01:37:43,540 --> 01:37:51,380 another fifteen dollars that's where the money could go anti-duberial stock tablets pro-seic stuff 1414 01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:58,660 not fancy instead of being treated for the diarrhea set of being treated for tuberculosis 1415 01:37:58,660 --> 01:38:05,940 instead of being treated for protein andemia they're told how to wear condoms and that is hideous 1416 01:38:06,660 --> 01:38:12,580 and actually abusive and evil in my opinion the other day I went to get a haircut and I was 1417 01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:17,860 at all I have some I must have brought up Tony Fauci and she said oh I loved after Fauci 1418 01:38:18,980 --> 01:38:25,300 and I had seen the thing but I just want to say I really want people to understand that this man 1419 01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:37,940 Anthony Fauci has presided over a system of vindictive, vindictive, bonding, a funding apparatus where 1420 01:38:37,940 --> 01:38:46,900 because something is going against his stuff his pet projects no course HIV is where Fauci 1421 01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:53,860 Fauci becomes Fauci he starts in 84 with HIV and Gallo when the government stated 1422 01:38:54,820 --> 01:39:01,380 that AIDS was contagious sexually transmitted caused by HIV came from Africa April 23, 1984 1423 01:39:02,420 --> 01:39:06,900 the person who picked up from there was Anthony Fauci he says okay I'm going to run with that 1424 01:39:07,540 --> 01:39:12,020 and he drove that narrative for decades he drove that narrative he drove the narrative 1425 01:39:12,020 --> 01:39:17,860 that's treated with these nuclear side antelogues, AZT and the previous inhibitors and the test and 1426 01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:26,820 everything and all the infectious diseases that the CDC or anybody can want to work on for a while 1427 01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:32,020 and promote do some whatever it is they want to go to the third world it could be Ebola or Zika in 1428 01:39:32,020 --> 01:39:39,620 Latin America or MERS or SARS or whatever and SARS-CoV-2 for the whole globe 1429 01:39:40,340 --> 01:39:47,300 well Anthony Fauci is your man to promote that and drive that narrative every day is 1430 01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:56,420 if need be and Anthony Fauci is not the one man he's not the one man problem he's he's he's 1431 01:39:56,580 --> 01:40:02,340 the symptom he's the symptom in one man of the problem which is that American science is about 1432 01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:11,060 I'm not even going to use the word science but when you get these you get you get these industries 1433 01:40:11,060 --> 01:40:16,180 these chemical industries pharmaceutical industries biotech industries, petrol chemical industries 1434 01:40:17,300 --> 01:40:23,060 all the stuff and they have business ideas and they have business models they get a scare going 1435 01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:33,380 really bad disease and they show you know and then they get this idea they launch this idea 1436 01:40:33,380 --> 01:40:39,300 anybody can get it anybody can don't touch each other and then the whole scare balloon goes off 1437 01:40:41,860 --> 01:40:49,220 and if people knew that since that first moment Anthony Fauci did not put one federal research 1438 01:40:49,220 --> 01:40:57,300 dollar to finding out why those men got sick or why how they might get well he just after Bob 1439 01:40:57,300 --> 01:41:05,140 Gallows 1984 press conference he said anybody who says it wasn't even HIV plus anything else even 1440 01:41:05,140 --> 01:41:11,380 people who tried to say HIV is the primary cause but this might play a role or that they got 1441 01:41:12,260 --> 01:41:24,820 sideline snuffed defunded discredited and he was like it was just HIV is the cause of AIDS because 1442 01:41:26,180 --> 01:41:30,900 Carri Wallace would say because Robert Gallows standing up there with his ABA to class and said so 1443 01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:37,220 at a press conference Fauci's serial killer I wrote my dissertation on HIV AIDS he was just warm 1444 01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:46,820 up back then serial killers escalate and he was just getting started back then yeah he met and he was 1445 01:41:46,820 --> 01:41:52,260 partly involved and he rather Gallows was the chief architect of the fraudulent theory 1446 01:41:52,260 --> 01:41:58,420 that HIV causes AIDS doesn't but Fauci liked it and of course the vaccine is going to be an answer 1447 01:41:58,420 --> 01:42:04,020 here we are how many years they were still in have one when and this is the way Fauci rules 1448 01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:09,620 all right so when people started showing up who had AIDS who were not HIV positive like thousands of 1449 01:42:09,620 --> 01:42:13,940 him he invented a new disease I can't remember what he called it but he moved all those people into 1450 01:42:13,940 --> 01:42:18,580 that category because it couldn't really explain this any other way they had some other kind of disease 1451 01:42:18,580 --> 01:42:24,900 wrong with him right he went to his friends at Burroughs and they had a drug that later became known as 1452 01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:32,420 AZT and this drug was a chemotherapy drug it killed 100% of the lab animals and it was so bad they 1453 01:42:32,420 --> 01:42:37,140 didn't bother to pat me so he gets not to dust it all off and we're going to try this so I'm 1454 01:42:37,140 --> 01:42:43,540 an AIDS patients even backing up to HIV positive people who nothing was wrong with them and then HIV 1455 01:42:43,540 --> 01:42:49,860 pregnant women all right anyway they do this clinical trial and it's unblinded in 19 seconds because 1456 01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:55,540 the AIDS patients taking AZT they're on the floor on the fetal position vomiting blood 1457 01:42:55,540 --> 01:43:00,420 everybody knew some blinded right away they approved in anyway and you might have seen a movie 1458 01:43:00,420 --> 01:43:04,980 called the Dallas Buyers club with Matthew McCannay that was a true enactment that the AIDS 1459 01:43:04,980 --> 01:43:08,980 patients in the United States figured out the government's drugs were killing them so they started 1460 01:43:08,980 --> 01:43:13,540 going to Mexico to get drugs to bring them illegally into the United States that could actually be 1461 01:43:13,540 --> 01:43:20,020 helpful because the government's drugs were killing. Fauci actually did a clinical trial using 1462 01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:26,180 AZT on pregnant women who were HIV positive but asymptomatic and I just want to learn what universe 1463 01:43:26,580 --> 01:43:32,900 what universe that somebody even decides to do that. I mean the fact that it got approved is pretty bad 1464 01:43:32,900 --> 01:43:37,940 but the fact that somebody would conceive of it and still have a job made me the most frightening of all. 1465 01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:44,020 So I could go on but that gives you a little smattering and just like right now anybody who 1466 01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:50,420 would disagree with him he has managed to silence them he took their funding away they were legitimate 1467 01:43:50,420 --> 01:43:55,460 scientists really good people just like you have now Scott Atlas and John A and I just some people who are 1468 01:43:55,540 --> 01:44:00,660 incredibly reputable people Peter McCall are speaking out they trash their names they they have always 1469 01:44:00,660 --> 01:44:05,540 done that they they can't have a scientific discussion with anybody so they just trash your name he trashes their 1470 01:44:05,540 --> 01:44:11,380 name you know you nobody can disagree with him because he knows everything if I were Mr Fauci and I 1471 01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:15,620 thought very confident that the bad I would call him Dr Fauci you shouldn't have a medical license 1472 01:44:15,620 --> 01:44:21,860 he's never treated a single patient probably that's very telling but if I were Mr Fauci I would invite 1473 01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:27,380 the people who were my detractors on to have a conversation see if I could talk and into thinking my way 1474 01:44:28,020 --> 01:44:32,260 as a scientist is supposed to be all about I have ideas you have ideas we don't have the same ideas 1475 01:44:32,260 --> 01:44:36,980 well let's see what what a conversation looks like oh no he can't have a scientific conversation 1476 01:44:36,980 --> 01:44:41,860 with anybody in fact I had Scott Atlas speak it or he was former White House's doctor 1477 01:44:42,740 --> 01:44:48,340 speak it or conference back in the November and he said that he is he he cannot express the level of 1478 01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:55,300 incompetence he said that not one time during his time there the Mr Fauci or Mrs Burke's Scarflity 1479 01:44:56,020 --> 01:45:01,540 ever have a single piece of documentation for anything that they wanted to do he would bring brief 1480 01:45:01,540 --> 01:45:08,180 cases for articles and evidence and they would roll their eyes and sigh and look off into space they 1481 01:45:08,180 --> 01:45:12,260 had a tolerate him because the president wanted him there but they had no interest in scientific 1482 01:45:12,260 --> 01:45:17,860 discussion he said the level of incompetence a Fauci is so bad that he can't even pronounce 1483 01:45:17,860 --> 01:45:26,180 medical terms and that was has a new book coming out he to tell all I think about what went on 1484 01:45:26,740 --> 01:45:32,740 but it was extraordinarily distressing and he said at our conference he said get ready for this to 1485 01:45:32,740 --> 01:45:38,500 go on for a long time because these are stupid incompetent people and the only thing they have is power 1486 01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:45,620 they don't have any other capability of doing anything except just exerting power he's never practiced medicine 1487 01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:51,860 his own sister during the AIDS thing so one of the problems with Tony is once he gets that's his 1488 01:45:51,860 --> 01:45:58,660 idea on something his mind on something backs won't be sweet and and he's in a position Mr Biden 1489 01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:03,940 said he spends more time with Fauci than he spends with his wife that's a scary thing 1490 01:46:04,180 --> 01:46:11,140 he's in a very powerful position and and he shouldn't have it he shouldn't be there he's the highest 1491 01:46:11,220 --> 01:46:17,620 paid person in the federal government and according to Atlas he was a Trumpist told by a number of 1492 01:46:17,620 --> 01:46:22,980 people to get rid of him he said it was the most profound failure of leadership in history politics 1493 01:46:22,980 --> 01:46:28,020 that Trump just didn't throw him out into the White House long he was an incompetent criminal 1494 01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:34,980 what he has done is criminal what he's doing right now is criminal and I'm going to get him to you watch