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My guest today came face to face with the most hideous acts a human being can commit.

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When a drug smuggler's worship of evil led to the human sacrificial slaying of Texas student Mark Kilroy and 12 other victims.

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The story began March 14th in Matamoros, Mexico.

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It was early that Tuesday morning when Mark Kilroy and three friends were returning from a spring break celebration across the border.

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We kind of got separated and Billy kind of left Mark behind.

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We all came back to look for Mark and he was missing.

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It had the early same sense.

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Authorities from both United States and Mexico searched for Mark Kilroy, the 21-year-old pre-med student, checking Mexican barrios, creek beds, and jails.

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His parents, James and Helen Kilroy, would not let the search for their son end.

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They traveled to Mexico, passing out thousands of posters, asking for help.

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But there were no leads or breaks until Mark's body was discovered in a mass grave containing the mutilated bodies of 13 people killed by members of a satanic cult.

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This is a look at the killing field where Mark Kilroy and the others died on a small ranch outside of Matamoros.

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Mark and the 12 other victims had fallen prey to the demonic tactics of this man, Adolfo de Jesus Constanza,

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an alleged drug lord known to his followers as the godfather.

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Constanza used the ranch as a clearinghouse for smuggled marijuana and convinced his cult that voodoo-like ritual sacrifices of animals and human beings would protect them.

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Yes, everything was being conducted inside the house.

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How were they killing her?

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Well, from what he was saying, it was a cherry.

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Five men who've been arrested in connection with the murders were paraded in front of the media by Mexican police.

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They confessed their roles in kidnapping Mark and the others.

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He got in the truck and then he was arrested and then he got in the truck and then he got in the truck and then he got in the truck.

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Why did he do it?

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Why did he do that?

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Why did he do that?

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Why didn't he do that?

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What happened to the ranch?

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Why did he do that?

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People from across Texas came together in prayer to pay their last respects to Mark.

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Mark's fraternity brothers, classmates, and childhood friends,

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remembered him he was really just all-around type guy he just was really friendly to everybody

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you know i always went out of his way to talk to people i want to remember mark the good times we

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the good person he was

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kind of brother that would give this shirt off his back

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my first guest today was celebrating spring break with mark kilroy and was with him the night

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he was kidnapped he was the last person to see mark alive meet bill huddleston bill's mother gwen

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a close family friend of the kilroy's helped in the month-long search for mark and has handled

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the media for the family throughout this entire tragedy patricia pulling is all too familiar with

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mark kilroy's story her son killed himself after his involvement in a cult she along with police

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officials investigated the scene where mark kilroy and the others were murdered to get first-hand

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information on the group's motives and my next guest became very involved with the mark kilroy case

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shortly after mark disappeared he worked closely with the mexican officials at the search and says

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that locating mark would not have been possible if it had not have been for the kilroy perseverance

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and determination meet attorney general of texas jim maddox we're glad to have you all join us

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later in the show we'll meet the women who have survived satanic rituals and witnessed

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also other human sacrifices one of them was forced to give up her own child to sacrifice but

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i thank you bill for coming on the show i realize it's it's it's still very emotional for

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for you and your family and also for the kilroy's who were going to be with us here today but

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decided that the emotional strain was too much and we of course understand that what was happening that

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night that mark was kidnapped well we just went down to uh south ponder island for spring break just

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have a good time and we went to a fraternity party that night on the island and we went into

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matamorris and got there about 11 o'clock uh we went to this small bar there were the line of short

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and just stayed there for a little bit drinking and we just went into matamorris just to drink and

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meet people and just have a good time how far is this from like your school where you regularly live

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how far away is this place uh well we went to school in santa fe and this was down in brownsville

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so it was around the gallblaston area that's where we went to school and we just went

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it was about eight hours seven or eight hours and we just went down to have a good time

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and we didn't expect this to happen and after we left the last bar that we went we're dancing and

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drinking at as we were walking back um

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we just uh i had to use the restroom and i went and got in front of the other guys

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and when i met up the other two they hadn't seen mark they thought that he'd already gone over across

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the border according to alan richmond's story which i read in in people among other stories

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um you had stepped into the alley and mark was with you right no there was no alley that we

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stepped into that's wrong there's a lot of false information okay um what actually happened we just

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were walking back on the main strip on the main strip and i mean there were dark areas but it was

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basically it was still lighted and it was a closing time the people were walking back what time of

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night is it was around 2 a.m and as we're walking back uh there's still people walking towards us

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too so we were we were spread out but we were basically together and i stepped in front to go

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use the restaurant in front of them to meet up with them and when i got through using the restaurant

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i got met back up with bradley and brant and they hadn't seen mark and but mark was with them when

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you left right right and i thought all three of them were going to be together and they were just

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walking along i guess just checking out that you know the streets just looking around just having

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a good time not expecting marked anything that happened and when i met up with them they thought

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that he'd already he was in front of them and that already across the border and i thought no that he

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was he was farther back because i thought possibly he might have been talking to this guy

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and when there was this uh mexican guy that was motioning and to i don't know if it's to mark or not

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but it appeared to be that way at the time and i went back and bradley and brant went across the border

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to see if he was there and there was no sign of him anywhere so obviously if we pick up the story

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here uh mr maddox he the man who motioned him to the truck got him in the truck they did they got him

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in the truck at gunpoint and and uh and basically held him and and moved to and drove the truck around

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met another car and uh he got out and tried to run and was not successful in getting away another car

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cut him up and cut cut mark off the the area where he was attractive was an area where there are a lot

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of street vendors there are people selling uh all kinds of wares uh there are a lot of uh restaurants and bars

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um and we frankly in the investigation were surprised that we did not find somebody who saw something

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that was unusual so these men how many men were there at the time i think that there were probably

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uh probably a half a dozen or more uh i can't tell you exactly but quite a number in a car or truck or van

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in a truck and then also in a uh and then in another car okay and so they were out looking for

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a white male on spring break that's right they mark was he was a good kid not involved in anything

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unusual uh there were 50 000 young people uh there on in that area at that time and they had been

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instructed just simply to find a anglo uh spring breaker for the purpose of sacrifice yes that's

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correct we'll come back we'll talk about what happened at the ranch back a moment

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mark kilroy's parents jim and helen kilroy were as i mentioned earlier in this show scheduled to

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appear here today understandably due to extreme emotional strain they canceled their appearance

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here at the last minute here are mark's parents sharing some of their thoughts and feelings about

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their son's horrendous murder mark was just a good good young fella the way he was the way we were

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when we were with him you know he made us proud we loved him a lot they just must be

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possessed by the devil there that would be the only explanation for such um a bizarre and

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you know for what they did i think they'll never really ask for forgiveness for what they did i hope

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they do someday someday someday i'd like them to go up and apologize to mark really we're at peace

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uh knowing that mark is safe and are with our lord and now it's just a matter of of all of us um

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we're gonna miss him a lot i don't know of any other way to explain what happened on that ranch other

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than these were people possessed by the devil do you mr man i don't really think there is an adequate

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way uh i think the tragic part of it is that uh it could happen to nearly any of us at any time

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it could have been you bill do you think about that a lot uh i thought about it i try not to think

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about it i try to stay away from thinking about that but it gets scary do you think about it quent

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that it could have been your son sure

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mr maddox what happened at that ranch well basically they held

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mark uh in a small shack uh for about uh 11 hours they they wrapped his head with uh

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thick duct type tape this kind of gray really heavy tape

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uh they gave him bread and water and they assured him during the course of uh the his captivity there

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that he would not be be hurt and then on uh during the uh last period of time the 12th hour he was

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he was killed he was struck from behind with uh a machete uh that uh in all probability severed his

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spinal cord at uh at the back of the head and and then uh they then engaged in uh some ritualistic

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dismembering of the body and uh there were a number of explanations for instance uh the reason he was

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killed prior to the 13th hour we've we've been told to us because of the belief that you could not hold

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him uh in the 13th hour because it would be bad luck for them and he uh he was dismembered his his legs

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were cut off uh just above the kneecaps after he was killed they they took out his brain and drained his

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body of blood and then he uh those were placed in a cauldron that i think you will probably show the

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cauldron at some time later in the program and then they have to say here that during pat's trip

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we haven't talked to pat yet but doing her trip to the scene of the murders she took photos of the

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site and we just want to take a look at at what you you saw there pat can you tell us what we're

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looking at here okay what you're looking at here is a ritual cauldron but they call it

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in this particular form of belief system or religion a naganga and in that cauldron of course

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there are various things placed by the people or the participants of this uh such as blood

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uh animals there was a turtle placed in there the brain uh hearts things like that because this ritual

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cauldron is basically the the life system of of the uh naganga or of their ritual and belief system

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and they believe that certain gods have to be propitiated or served or satisfied with certain

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elements and this goes into this ritual cauldron next photo

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that is the duct tape that was wrapped around mark kilroy's eyes

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that is the grave where he was buried

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and that is just the hut inside the hut of course is where they held their rituals

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and so this is what is called an ashosi and that generally is a ritualistic artifact used

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and this appears to be according to some of the experts who are really involved with this

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appears to be uh that's an artifact that's used to ward away police protection from police

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so their whole purpose of killing mark and the 12 others was to was they thought to protect them

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from police is that right yes the purpose was to set up a black magic shield around them that would

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protect them not only from apprehension but also would protect them from from bullets and also would

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give them good luck and uh mark was sacrificed after a particularly good marijuana a transaction

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that took place and there so this all stems from drugs it stems from drugs as a background it could

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be done without drugs uh we did not find that the participants in this particular activity uh were

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actually using drugs at the time other than alcohol they were they inside the shack there uh they would do

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sacrificing you could you did you pass the pictures but there were wires from the top from which they

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would hang the bodies uh they had a sacrificial table there and then they would smoke cigars and sit there and

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enjoy the good life and celebrate their their good times of having brought in a tremendous amount of money

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from the drug deals drink a lot of alcohol and then uh in this particular case also another tragic thing that

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happened is that after the death and in the burial ceremony they put mark there but they took it

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and ran a a wire through the spinal cord and that wire was left showing from the ground wherein after the body

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after the body decomposed they were going to go back and pull out the bones because the bones are used

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in the uh in a sacrifice i mean in a in their religious rituals the bones give them certain blessings in theory and

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their religions may or their religion may or may not been well defined but it's very clearly a a form of an occult

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type religion so they're going to make a necklace out of his bones out of his backbone that's correct and and that is

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not a it's not uncommon thing for that for for them to use bones in in uh the different uh religious

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activities how prevalent is this i know just as you all did when when i awakened to hear this story i thought

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the world had gone mad but having done shows like this before and and and being somewhat knowledgeable

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about what's going on in this country i realized that what happened to mark kilroy which is one of the

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reasons we're doing this show happens throughout this country to children who are snatched from the

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streets and perhaps maybe because it was mark kilroy and he's a pre-med student and was older and his

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parents absolutely persevered some attention is being brought to this subject but it happens all the time

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well i think that the troubling aspect of this is is that we do not know how often it happens

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in this particular case we found 15 bodies only only about five or six or maybe half were used in

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ritualistic type killings the other were were or were killed as a result of revenge type motives or other

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kind of broken drug deals but but there are all kinds of people disappeared that we never know where

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they are we've had all kinds of reports of of missing children that where they are practicing a lot of

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these type things we just don't have any way of knowing but i think there's one message that's very

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clear though that if a if a parent or a loved one see someone else involved in this kind of activity

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this kind of offbeat type activity i think that it must be taken very serious and then there should

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be intervention if at all possible and we're going to meet a parent later on whose son was involved

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with other boys and who were doing satan worship but she didn't take it seriously enough well i think

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it happened i think that that's the kind of thing that happens all the time and i think where people

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really need to look is where there is a heavy caribbean influence particularly from the islands where

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there are a lot of people around that that have grown up practicing these kind of these kind of

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religions but again given sacrifice you don't want to indict all caribbeans here no no absolutely absolutely not the

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absolutely not the uh we we won't we won't we won't i love the islands well i love the i i love

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the islands too but but this uh these practices have have come from from from africa into uh

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then into the caribbean islands a mixture of a number of different practices particular religion

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that's right yes what do you want to say another religion yes uh one of the things though that i

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work more with than the afro-caribbean religions this was more of a surprise to me is the ritualistic

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crime and murders that are going on in this country many done by adolescents and they are for satan

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worship and they're not they're not hispanic in background they're they're or caribbean or african

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or white middle to upper middle class kids right and this it's not an epidemic but it's very widespread

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the photos you're about to see right now are of the two alleged ringleaders in the kilroy murder

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and the others found in uh matamoros mexico these people have not been found but if you have

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information or leads please contact your local authorities adolfo de jesus costanza considered

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to be the godfather of this group and sarah aldrete uh suspected to be costanza's girlfriend and partner

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if you have any information you contact somebody immediately i wouldn't necessarily go up and approach

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them when we come back we also meet a woman whose baby was used for human sacrifice in a satanic ritual

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and hear her extraordinary story of her escape from this call

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my next guest found herself part of a group of young women and children forced to surrender their

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bodies in some of the most evil rituals imaginable her own child was used in a human sacrifice ritual it

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was only three years ago that lauren stratford gained the courage to talk about her horrifying experiences

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publicly she still receives harassing phone calls and threats from members of the cult she's the author

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of this book called satan's underground as a child my next guest was used also in worshiping the devil

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participated in human sacrifice rituals rituals and cannibalism she says her family has been involved

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in rituals for generations she is currently in extensive therapy suffers from multiple personality disorder

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meaning she's blocked out many of the terrifying and painful memories of her childhood being rachel

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who is also in disguise to protect her identity my next guest treats ritually abused children in her

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therapist practice she feels that the problem is much more widespread than any of us can imagine says

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there's no doubt in her mind that children and adults that she treats are telling the truth

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tina grossman we're glad to have all of you join us here on the show you come from generations of

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ritualistic abuse um yes my family has an extensive family tree and they keep track of who's been

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involved and who hasn't been involved and it's gone back to like 1700 and so you were right i was born

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into a family that believes in this and this is a this is does everyone else think it's a nice jewish family

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from the outside you appear to be a nice jewish girl definitely and you all are worshiping the

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devil inside the home right there's other jewish families across the country it's not just my own family

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really and so who knows about it lots of people now

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um i talked to a police detective in the chicago area and several of my friends know and i've spoke

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publicly before and then so when you were brought up in this this kind of evilness did you just think

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it was normal um i've blocked out a lot of the memories i had um because of my multiple personality

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disorder but yes i mean it's like if you grow up with something you think it's normal i always thought

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so what kinds of things you don't have to give us the gory details but what kinds of things went on in

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the family um well there would be rituals in which babies would be sacrificed and you would have to

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you know those babies um there were people who um bred babies in our family no one would know about

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it a lot of people were overweight so you couldn't tell if they were pregnant or not or they would

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supposedly go away for a while and then come back now you were telling us earlier uh that this was that

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the practice with the kilroy death was a religion called pala mayombe which not all people who

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practice pala mayombe obviously sacrifice i think what we're looking at is a worship of evil here

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right taking normal or standard religions and converting them to the worship of evil right and

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i just want to emphasize that you don't have to be caribbean to do it no no no yes the other thing i want to

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point out not all jewish people sacrifice babies i mean no that's not a very difficult thing i just

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want to point that this is the first time i heard of any jewish people sacrificing babies but anyway so

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you witnessed the sacrifice right um when i was very young i was forced to participate in that

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in which i had to sacrifice an infant and the the purpose of sacrifice is to what is to bring you

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what what are you sacrificing for for power power and so were you you were ever used were you ever

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used yourself um i was molested i was raped several times um and what's your mother doing um she's

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in all of this what's her role in all of this what is i'm not exactly what her role is i haven't

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you know recovered all of my memories but her family was extremely involved um you know she brought

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me to it both of my parents brought me to it and where is she now um she's um lives in the chicago

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metropolitan area she's on the human relations commission of the town that she lives in and she's

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an upstanding citizen nobody would suspect her nobody would suspect anybody involved in it there's

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police officers involved in it there's you know doctors lawyers indian chiefs involved in it i mean

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it's not the person you know who looks scummy that's involved in it it's someone who looks normal

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that's right yeah you want to say over as difficult as this seems and of course people maybe don't track

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these things as much as i do but in monrovia liberia a couple of years ago uh about seven gentlemen uh one of

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which was trying to become mayor these were politicians very political figures in monrovia

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liberia sacrifice they had an abduction of a six and seven year old boy and the religion was juju

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certainly not all people do that in juju but they believed by sacrificing these children that they

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would be able to gain political favor through the supernatural belief system so while it's very

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difficult to understand that human beings can do this i think what we should be concerned about are

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these motives and belief systems and understand it's not rampant but it's possible over one thing

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that i think is important note too in this particular in the mark kilroy case several of the people that

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were involved in that killing were american citizens uh several of them were uh were involved in college

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uh sarah um already the the main the witch of the of the of the cult who was still on who's still

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unapprehended uh was a a person who was an honors type student that ever but she was uh uh well respected

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within the college uh no one would have ever expected even her own family did not know that that they're in

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her somewhat kind of uh separate apartment that she had an altar set up uh for different kinds of

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sacrifices they didn't know that and one thing i want to make very clear too that if somebody has

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information about any of these individuals or they have information concerning any kind of ritualistic

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type uh killing of human beings that information needs to be related to to your local police department

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they will know who to get in contact with are directly into the cameron county sheriff's department

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there in brownsville texas but let me just say this to you miss max if for instance her neighbors

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suspected something was going on in her neighborhood i mean i mean i i don't know how you go to the police

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and say this upstanding family of rachel's you think that they're they're doing devil worship in their house

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it is really hard because they think first they think you're the kook that's right instead instead of

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others on the human relations committee yeah i tell you it's interesting in austin texas just before

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probably a month before the mark kilroy disappearance there was a a symposium on satanism and the occults

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and uh and frankly uh most people were there uh giggling and not taking it fully serious and uh and some of

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us where it did not even regard it as that serious and obviously uh one of the points we need to make

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very clearly is that both law enforcement and the general public has got to take these kind of things

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very serious and and there should be intervention if at all possible all right we'll be right back

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i just wanted to say that if you were raised in a household where you learned right from wrong

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how could that ever be right it just it's so wrong i don't know how anybody could say that would be

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okay to do were you raised with the sense of right and wrong rachel yes i mean it's like we i had both

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i mean to the outside world everything we did was proper and right and then there were the nights that

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things changed that things just got turned around what was right was what was wrong was right and what

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was right was wrong that's what helps to create somebody to develop mpd multiple personnel right

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right you were saying you were saying well i think that until someone could see the site

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and and see what actually took place there at mount morris it would be difficult for most human

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beings to understand that individuals could be as cruel as they were in this particular case

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and right from wrong is something that is very difficult to understand in some religions also

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there probably been more killings in the name of of god and however you describe god

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any other thing in this world ever since from the crusades on down and we've had we've had all kinds

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of killings in in a great number of different religions including the christian religion and and others

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and so uh sometimes uh but this isn't done in the name of god those i understand yeah it's really

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done in the name of the devil right he is a god to certain individuals and uh and he has uh even in

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the christian religion he is a person he is an individual that fell from grace and from that still

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has tremendous powers in this world and that there's a continuing struggle between good and evil and he directs

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evil and some of these individuals believe that that he's winning out and they practice that because

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they believe on earth that he has greater powers than uh than other uh than other gods that they

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might uh believe exist is that what you were taught lauren yes i i think it's important to know that these

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people definitely believe that satan is the most powerful person more powerful than god and they believe

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at one in one time i i believe a lot of these preschool kids are being abused now so that in

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future years they will be called to be our future generation you mean in the nursery schools that we

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hear yes yes and these people these people believe i mean it's as much as i believe in my god in jesus christ

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they believe in their god as being satan that he has more power and he's going to defeat everybody

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did you once believe that too no i was never a satanist uh but i certainly lived with people who

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did believe that did you ever participate in the killing of human sacrifice

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i don't know uh i would assume i probably did i seldom say that i'm very emotional today because of

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having to watch these pictures it's i i never have never broken down on a show before but today i'm on the

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verge of it because uh i i was on a radio program the other day and i got so upset because i said

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what's the magic number where we do we have to uncover 500 bodies right thousand bodies before we

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believe it uh do it does it have to be in arizona or does it have to be in new york when will the

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country finally it's in mexico so now it doesn't happen in the united states but i saw she saw people

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across the country i get letters from parents who have seen it from teenagers but you know i say

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that it's something i live with every day i say that about this subject which is the reason why

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i'm attempting to to enlighten more people about it but i say it about drunk drivers every day i mean

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when when when the drunk driver hit the bus in kentucky and 67 people are on that i said how many

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people have to be killed by a drunk driver before people realize you shouldn't have to we have to

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change our attitudes about drinking and driving in this country i i don't know i don't know how many

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bodies will have to be uncovered i don't i would like uh you know i would like to bring uh i don't

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know where my son is i would like to bring his body and show him to you and say now will you believe

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and i think most of the country would find a way still not to believe to not live it because then we

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have to do something but it's just like this woman said and it's just like uh mr maddox said early

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it's very hard for those of us who've been raised uh and i've been raised in the christian faith and

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many people raised in the jewish faith it's very difficult for good upstanding decent people to

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even come it's hard for this to even see for this to seep into our brains and we have listened spared

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the tales of what actually happened at that range it's hard to for the human mind to conceive that this

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is what went on don't you agree yeah we'll be back we'll be back

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so tina you counseled virtually abused kids like rachel yes and adult survivors of ritual abuse

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the treatment of mpd and you say that it is far more prevalent than we probably imagine there's no

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question about it it's good because i know a lot of people are shaking their head here and i'm sure

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that when you go go back home i mean everyone's going to try to make you look like you're crazy oh

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definitely absolutely they do that all the time it's very difficult to believe so how is it that you

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come to believe these people tina well i've treated over 40 survivors of ritual abuse adult

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patients with multiple personality disorder uh and from

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uh from many states in this country as well as canada uh what we've seen and heard and gone through

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in the abri actions which is the remembered experiences of that we are hearing the identical

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same things from these adults okay these are not children that are three years old and you can

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as an adult perhaps rationalize that this is fantasy material these are adults are saying things they

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have never met each other before they are describing identical rituals just the same as since i'm jewish

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you could go to new york or california and describe a seder in one state or another and as a jew you would

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recognize it uh this is the belief system in evil and the power that evil gives you and so it has these

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certain rituals so they are very similar with all of the survivors see but i am very surprised uh because the

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jewish faith is the jewish faith is the jewish faith and and worshiping the devil is not a part of the jewish

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faith but the primitive the people do not worship the devil but before there was christ and before there was a

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system of one god there was paganism and still exists in the world uh and uh in many uh cultures

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uh you still find the belief that there is strength and power in the actual uh consumption of human flesh

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now in your family did you all call it worshiping the devil i don't know it was just evil these things

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you did right well i said it was evil and they said it was good um there's a book that i had just come

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across called lillis cave which is a book of jewish mysticism and on supernatural and there's a lot in

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that book that relates to what i you know endured when i was a child i want to stop right here though

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because you know how people build prejudices just like you said about the caravanes i want to make it

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very clear this is one jewish person so don't go around now saying to people you know those jewish people

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they're worshiping them and this is just one person most jewish people do not do what my family did

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i mean i don't know very many other jewish people who you know how people hear one thing and then they

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go off and they say i don't know for her for sure today when we come back you'll meet a mother whose

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son was killed in a satanic sacrifice

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three young men are right now serving life sentences without parole for the murder of my

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next guest son stephen newbury 19 years old was found dead along with the beaten body of a cat in

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an abandoned well near the kansas border in missouri authority said that he'd been struck repeatedly with

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baseball bats prosecutors said that three boys convicted of the murder were involved in satanism

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violent rock music and drugs stephen was killed in a satanic sacrifice according to court testimony

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and joining me is his mother uh marlis newbury we're glad to have you marlis marlis glad to have you

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join us so you there were signs for you that this was going on was it not uh yes i was concerned

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uh about stephen's involvement with these boys and i had expressed my concern to him

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and there were other signs you know the heavy rock music heavy metal music and things uh yes i yes i

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understand that there was some involvement with that yes and so did he not at one time come to you and

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tell you that they were involved in satanism well he had talked about it on different occasions i don't

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know if he actually said satanism but i was concerned about the things that that they were

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involved with yes these were his friends these were his running buddies right uh more or less yes

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and he was the kind of kid who would do anything to please anybody one of those kind of guys yes

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that's true he wanted to be liked very much it's true and so they just took him out when they tried

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didn't they attempt to kill him several times before uh according to court testimony uh yes they had

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attempted at least on at least on one other occasion and had uh chickened out i guess you would say

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and so they took him to a field and they all had baseball bats right and the ringleader the head guy

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or the yeah i guess head guy the one he most admired uh he struck him first yes and then your son ran

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right tried to get away from him and your son as i understand was crying as he was running why me why

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me and one of the boys answered and said uh because it's fun steve and so they continued to beat him with

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the baseball bat yes until they allowed they can continue to beat him after he was dead i i really

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think that he would they killed him with it with the first couple of blows uh from uh some of the

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things that i read though as they were dragging him back to the well he was still moaning well i really

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doubt you know i would hate to think that he was still alive at that time and i would say from the

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autopsy he was not i think those were just uh you know nerve sounds or whatever because i've read that

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he was still moaning and one of his friend his so-called friend the ringleader then kicked him

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in the face and said shut up that's that's true but i don't believe he was alive at that time i think

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they thought he was but i don't believe that he was we'll be back what are the signs when we come

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back warning signs of devil worship in a moment the warning signs you wanted to say first you wanted to

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tell me what yes that in uh miss newberry's son's case uh because i was called in on the defensive

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by one of the attorneys uh the group leader that is the case where the baseball bat yes yes yes the

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group leader was the senior class president again where you're talking about two of the other boys pete

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roland was on the wrestling team very clean he was a very clean cut boy um so i think you know i think

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this is real hard when we have the multiple problems here with ritual abuse of small children

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with adolescents and what to look for and outstanding citizens yeah and it's a it's a very complex issue

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that generally we spend two or three days in law enforcement and mental health seminars going through

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research and i mean i've just put out a book uh dealing with this seven years of this what do you

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look for what are the signs some of the signs for in teenagers and i think tina should talk about the

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children and the generationals but in teenagers you look for obsessive behavior in some heavy metal

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music not all heavy metal music obsessive behavior of kids that like gory uh slasher films uh poltergeist

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type films friday the 13 if they have an obsession with this an obsession with evil you're starting to see

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the signs and symbols of things that you don't recognize cryptic writings uh inverted crosses the

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child becomes belligerent not that he doesn't or she doesn't want to go to church anymore but they

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actually hate god when you see an adolescent starting to develop these attitudes drawing pictures about

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death dying dismemberment and mutilation this is sick and they need help they need intervention and to

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pass it off as a teenage fad it's really losing which is what a lot of parents do they say oh it's a

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phase well it's not just the parents a lot of professionals are passing this off as a fad they

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will pass through and there and many are not passing through it many are dying and killing other people

390
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not only that but the whole notion of the adolescent dabbler i think is a is a very uh misleading one

391
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because in all of the multiples that i've treated the uh the adolescent parts many of those had been

392
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used in the cult one of their jobs within the cult was to recruit other adolescents

393
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and do they have multiple personality disorder at that point they could be regular sally jones pom-pom

394
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girl the ones that are just getting into the to the worship and the rituals do they know what's going

395
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on do they know what they're getting into they are very slowly brought into it they are kids who are

396
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who have many many other problems they are using drugs because in this case they started out

397
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sacrificing cats and dogs and animals that's even along the way there's the first introduction to

398
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a lot of sex and a lot of drugs and to see how far very slowly they can introduce how much further

399
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will this person go i gotta come back oftentimes when something like this happens the person's memory

400
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gets clouded with with the horror of of how they died and i know you you want your friend mark to

401
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be remembered as he was yeah like everyone mark would like to be remembered as a guy that cared about

402
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everyone uh he was a hard worker he was good in both athletics and academics he was a great all-around

403
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guy and i think you know he'd appreciated everybody thought of him as is not somebody that was bad because

404
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he wasn't just the average person he was he was above average guy he was a great guy and he he died

405
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because of drugs and i think um the casual drug user is the main people that we need to stop

406
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um because they're the ones that are supporting the market

407
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yeah so we all have a part in it i think that's the thing i need to remember there's no such thing as

408
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a victimless type uh drug abuse type situation it it spills over to children it spills over the

409
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violence that surrounds the smuggling it spills over into changing the personalities there are all kinds

410
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of problems and so we must recognize that that it was interrelated deeply involved in this particular

411
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process also i think that one of the points you want to make is that this this whole worship of evil

412
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spans all cultures classes religions races and uh which means everybody is susceptible doesn't it yes

413
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yes it certainly does