1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Friends of family and strangers and families to write me. 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Maybe I've brought the babies I had. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:25,000 It would be hard to imagine more misery and suffering than what Theresa says she's had to endure. 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:32,000 And our kids would be made to do things with the adults and animals. 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 And then a sacrifice would happen. 6 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,000 The sacrifice, with these animal sacrifices. 7 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Animals and people. 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 On what scale do you think this was happening? 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Inormous. 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Far beyond what we've ever heard of here before. 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Theresa's mother, Bridget. 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 You're talking about mass murder. 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Yes. 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,000 On a scale this country's never heard of before. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Like the old people's homes and their own legs are. 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:11,000 For the first time, Theresa is learning what it's like to live with love instead of fear. 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:18,000 In this quiet English village, with the help of a mother, she's slowly repairing her broken life. 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Theresa is now 15. 19 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 But at the age of two, she was left in the care of this woman. 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 The grandma she called Nan. 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 And that she says is when a storm ends started. 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Who was the leader? 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Who was the boss of the gang of the cult? 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 At home it was on Nan. 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Your Nan made you have sex with animals. 26 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Yeah. 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Um, like goats and donkeys. 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,000 The story of Theresa is a story almost too horrible to account. 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:08,000 A case of child abuse that goes well beyond the kind of things we normally associate with the abuse of children. 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:15,000 In 27 years of reporting, it has to be one of the most painful stories I've ever had to tell. 31 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,000 How many men or how many people would have sex with you? 32 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 At one time. 33 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Yes. 34 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:31,000 But everyone who's there, which must have been about 20, you know, from 10 to 20 people, 35 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,000 if it was a big ceremony, it used to be 30. 36 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 What would your grandma be doing? 37 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 And these men were forcing themselves on you? 38 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Usually laughing. 39 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Or smiling. 40 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Or having sex with another man or other men. 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:00,000 A chronicle of debauchery and depravity, so horrific, it's hard to believe. 42 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,000 You have to ask yourself, could Theresa be just making it up? 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 No. 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,000 I know that's true, but it's not. 45 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:20,000 No, no, I saw children don't make up elaborate lies that this would have to be if it was a lie, 46 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 which I know it is normal. 47 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 It isn't. 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 This couldn't be a terrible dream and I'd met. 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 That you're reliving. 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 No. 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 It's no dream. 52 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 It's a nightmare, but it's not one you can do. 53 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 It's not one you can wake up from. 54 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 It's there all the time. 55 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 This really happened, you're quite sure of that. 56 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Yeah. 57 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,000 The police don't think Theresa made up a story. 58 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Some of the cult members are to stand trial. 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Five men have been charged with rape. 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,000 As for men, the grandmother, she's 61, and lives in this council flat in South London. 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,000 She's charged on seven counts of aiding in a betting rape, 62 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,000 and two counts of performing abortions on Theresa. 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:22,000 If you're finding this hard to believe, so did I at first. 64 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 But then there are the medical reports. 65 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Evidence of sustained sexual abuse. 66 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 And there's this. 67 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 A statement prepared for 60 minutes, but Theresa's a chargerist. 68 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:41,000 It says, in my opinion, Theresa's account is not the product of a psychotic illness. 69 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Nor the figment of a fertile imagination. 70 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I believe her to be telling the truth. 71 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 And I have asked, Troma, it's not. 72 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000 We also took Theresa's story to this man, Therapest Ray Wire. 73 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 He reads a transcript of our interview and listens to her voice. 74 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 It's not a dream. 75 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Few people of any in Britain have counseled as many victims of satanic abuse 76 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,000 or sightness themselves as Rai Wire has. 77 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 If there isn't expert on satanic cults, it would have to be him. 78 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Do you believe Theresa's story? 79 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 I believe Theresa's story. 80 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,000 It's exactly the same story as I've heard from men who says they've done it. 81 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 You've dealt with other cases like hers? 82 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Yes. 83 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Twenty-one cases like hers, he says, in the past two years alone. 84 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,000 The themes like they were put in boxes with spiders and worms, 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,000 where they were trapped in fear, where there was a high use of excrement in urine, 86 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 where there was talk of human sacrifice. 87 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Both the take just one of those rituals. 88 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Putting children in boxes with spiders and worms. 89 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Now listen to what Theresa told her mother. 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:58,000 And they had a coffin like box that children were put in with spiders and snakes 91 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 and the lid shut and left in there. 92 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,000 I would have come out deranged. 93 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 I could not cope with that mentally at all. 94 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 You have evidence to back up. 95 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Stories like Theresa's. 96 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 This is really happening. 97 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Well, we have that age of child six, five and four. 98 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Giving information that ties up with Theresa. 99 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 How do those children know? 100 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 How do those children able to describe rituals to talk about 101 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 ceremonies, to talk about sacrificing animals? 102 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,000 How do those children know? 103 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Like me as imagining it? 104 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 You can't imagine those things. 105 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,000 It's at three and four years old and you also don't have the evidence of anal sex abuse 106 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:48,000 and all sex abuse and all that other abuse that clearly those children have experienced and injured. 107 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,000 During these ceremonies was Satan, the devil ever referred to. 108 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,000 He was called Lucifer. 109 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Um... 110 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 What did they say about the devil? 111 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,000 About Lucifer? 112 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Killing the people, I am happy. 113 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Sacrifices to please the devil. 114 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,000 According to Theresa, the worst rituals took place at the house, 115 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 somewhere in the country. 116 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:30,000 It was big, you know, expensive from the front in the like a castle. 117 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,000 It had a long drive and big double wooden doors. 118 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Do you think they were rich people then? 119 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Very rich. 120 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Now, where was this big house somewhere in the country? 121 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Theresa says she can't take the police there because the satinist made sure she'd never know how to find it. 122 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Theresa was always dropped or on a couple of occasions she says she was knocked out. 123 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,000 So, she never fully knew the route. 124 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,000 There was a trampolice bought in months and he was killed. 125 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000 I used cut for me to throw down to East America. 126 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:27,000 And I... I am a bit so big. 127 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 They killed a man at a ceremony. 128 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Yeah. 129 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,000 In front of you? 130 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Yeah, in front of all of us. 131 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Did the tramp... did this man fight back? 132 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,000 I think he was, you know, drunk or something. 133 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,000 He seemed really dope. He was laughing a lot when he was brought in. 134 00:08:51,000 --> 00:09:03,000 He started screaming when they began to cut after one, you know, you died. 135 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,000 I'd seen a few killings before then. 136 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 And I wasn't used to it. 137 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 You know, that was the worst one. 138 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 I really don't know what I found. 139 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 I suppose I thought thank God it's not me. 140 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Let me get this right now. 141 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Are you saying that you saw more than one person killed in that house? 142 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Yeah. 143 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 I've seen, I'm... lives of babies. 144 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Killed there. 145 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Just newborn babies. 146 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Or a bulltid one which runny small. 147 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 You know, four-year-olds. 148 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 And you know, you really? 149 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Did they ever say they might kill you? 150 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,000 They threatened to kill my little girl who... 151 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 ...when my life was still at the house. 152 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 They're friends. 153 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Huh? 154 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 What little girl? 155 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 My little girl, Alex. 156 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 She's about four now. 157 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 You mean you had a child? 158 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Yeah. 159 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,000 How old were you when you had that child? 160 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 11. 161 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Motherhood at the age of 11. 162 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,000 But from what Theresa told her mother, it wasn't the only pregnancy. 163 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,000 We think that's seven or eight times. 164 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000 It's hard to say. 165 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:48,000 It was constantly happening from the time she was capable of being pregnant. 166 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,000 What happened to the pregnancies to the babies? 167 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,000 I was a bulltid one and a nine or one of the doctors at the house. 168 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 There were doctors there at that house? 169 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Yeah, there was two, I think. 170 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Yeah, and then nurse. 171 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,000 What would happen to the fetuses the unborn babies? 172 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:21,000 I used to be taken away most of the time and one time. 173 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,000 The baby was taken out of me and then killed in front of me. 174 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Because it was still alive. 175 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 And then what would happen? 176 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Well, after they killed it, I really did. 177 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,000 But we also made it to be it. 178 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 You were made to eat your own fetus. 179 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Yeah. 180 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Who made you do this? 181 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,000 My name. 182 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:04,000 You think the one person in the world you could leave a little girl with would be grandma. 183 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Someone to give a love and protector from harm. 184 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Yet, when Theresa was left to live with her grandmother, 185 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 they might as well have handed her to the devil himself. 186 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Grandma, the visioning, it conjures up, though he has sweet old lady. 187 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Grey hair, rosy cheeks, holding her arms out to love her grandchildren. 188 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,000 And it was exactly the reverse. 189 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,000 But why was Theresa living with Nan in the first place and not with her mother? 190 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:41,000 When my first marriage broke up, I took the children with me and could cope. 191 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:47,000 So I gave them to their father who in turn moved to his mother's house. 192 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 To Nan's place. 193 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,000 When he left the Nan's place, he left the children there. 194 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:00,000 How do you feel now to hold her grandma and the other people who did all those things to your daughter? 195 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,000 I don't discuss me. 196 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,000 They are the worst form of life. 197 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,000 I've heard of both as Adam is false and to create. 198 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 I've been violent. 199 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Did you ever try to run away? You must have been frightened? 200 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,000 A couple of times I did a bit of a mong, and he caught me and brought me back. 201 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Going to the police? Did that occurred to you? 202 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,000 No. 203 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,000 I thought it was normal, even though I didn't like it. 204 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,000 You know, I'm... 205 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:47,000 I mean, you don't like to eat greens, but you know, somebody, you know, you thought, 206 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 I thought it was just over the incourse to be kind or something like that. 207 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,000 She said to me, it was something that everybody did. She thought, you know, 208 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:03,000 like you don't like going to school or the dentist. You don't like going to the black masses. 209 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,000 It was never any different, I didn't have nothing to compare it to. 210 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 All part of life, to resupport. 211 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Even a miscarriage one day at school. 212 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Yeah, I asked the teacher if I could go to the toilet and she allowed me out. 213 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 I went to the toilet and... 214 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,000 A baby was him and Nick is... 215 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,000 I thought it was dangerous, but it wasn't necessarily moving. 216 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 And yet now I want to school, and you. 217 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 No. 218 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 So anything? 219 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 No. 220 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Or if they did, they didn't say. 221 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:47,000 She was treated for a high temperature, a fever. 222 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Nothing more. 223 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 What did you do with the baby? 224 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,000 She kept her for a while because she was frightened and they'd used the child as part of the rituals. 225 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:04,000 So she'd pencil-case into a little coffin apparently. 226 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:14,000 She put roses in and make her smell sweet, but a letter with a picture of herself and a brother. 227 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Picture of me. 228 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,000 And then I put it down the shoe because I didn't want my name to get in. 229 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,000 As we said earlier, the police have already charged some members of the cult. 230 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,000 And we know they're also investigating to resupport the counts of those ritual killings. 231 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,000 If the wereous men issue told us, then the sightness had a problem. 232 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 How did they get rid of the bodies? 233 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 They had a tub. 234 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 You know, pretty big on it. 235 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,000 A very big tub and they used to put the bodies and bones in there. 236 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,000 And it used to go like, you know, fith in there. 237 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,000 And then there was nothing left. 238 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,000 All they didn't seem to be, but when they cleared it out, they used to be a sludge at the bottom. 239 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,000 To a recent story, her account doesn't really surprise you. 240 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,000 It doesn't surprise me in the light of satanic abuse now. 241 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,000 You get frustrated with people who just won't accept that these things do happen. 242 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Yes, because I've worked with murderers in prisons for years. 243 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Not that long ago, a boy was found in a forest in southern England without a head. 244 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,000 We have no doubts that men can do that. 245 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:43,000 And yet when we start talking about men with incitinism who actually believe in evil and it's the right to express evil, we suddenly have a doubt. 246 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,000 As I was leaving to a recent place, she had to meet this note. 247 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,000 It's addressed to the film crew. 248 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,000 She says, thanks for bothering, to help kids like me. 249 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,000 I hope it helps. 250 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,000 On the other side, there's a poem to a recent made-up while she was staying at Nans Place. 251 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,000 She calls it nothing left. 252 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Nothing left. 253 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,000 I would scream that there is no voice left. 254 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 I would cry, but there are no tears left. 255 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 I'd fight, there is no strength left. 256 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,000 That was just part of our investigation of satanism in Britain. 257 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,000 We're also gathering evidence about the activities of such cults here in Australia. 258 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:37,000 She was called Lysifer. 259 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,000 What did they say about the devil? 260 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Killing the people, I am happy. 261 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Do you dismiss that as a child's fantasy or do you take a seriously? 262 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 I was a policeman and I was a father. 263 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Obviously, take it very seriously. 264 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Crime intelligence officer Sergeant Alan Barwick. 265 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Do you believe to reason? 266 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Yes, I do. 267 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,000 What would happen to the fetuses, the unborn babies? 268 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:12,000 I used to be taken away most of the time and on time, 269 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,000 babies taken out me and then killed him, front me. 270 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Because it was still alive. 271 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000 And then? 272 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,000 I really did. 273 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Theresa told me that she was forced to eat her own fetus. 274 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Does that surprise you? 275 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 No. Why not? 276 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:37,000 There are this information at hand that we believe that this happened before in this country. 277 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 What Theresa had to endure is bad enough. 278 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,000 But it's far from being an isolated case. 279 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 We found strongly evidence that scores of children in Britain 280 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 are victims of these satanic rituals. 281 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 But what is the attraction of these cults? 282 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 And how are people lured into them? 283 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,000 In 1918, Austria satanist Lucithari exelsis. 284 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:09,000 In the name of Satan, the ruler of the earth, the king of the world, 285 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 I command the forces of darkness to be stole there in front of me. 286 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 David Austin is rare among satanists. 287 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 He will actually talk about some of their ceremonies. 288 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 He denies taking part in child abuse himself, 289 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 but he's sure some others do. 290 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 There are people that are using the occult, 291 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000 are using a claimant to be satanists. 292 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000 And they are upusing children. 293 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 We know it. 294 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,000 No sex with children in his cult says David Austin. 295 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,000 But he can first, that sex is the part of some of their ceremonies. 296 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Some of our rights are sexually orientated. 297 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,000 And again, we have to take into the fact that we do take them 298 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,000 in some rights by sexual approach to some of our actions. 299 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:01,000 I also witnessed a 9-day old baby being slaughtered for human sacrifice. 300 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Audrey Harper, she spent five years in a satanic cult before she escaped. 301 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Why did they kill that baby? Why sacrifice a child? 302 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Satan lights pure sacrifice. 303 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 And human sacrifice is better than animals sacrifice. 304 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 So they are pleasing the master. 305 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Thor Malkus, be good for all, let get you down, let you down. 306 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:35,000 This is a sound that echoes down many street in England today. 307 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,000 It's not Satanism, but for some, 308 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,000 it has been a stepping stone to devil worships. 309 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Savahakten promulas, oraya, oraya! 310 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Which craft? The so-called harmless end of the occult. 311 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Nigel born is the high priest. 312 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 And zildy bait, the high priest is. 313 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:07,000 By play out they've pagan rituals in gatherings they call cabins. 314 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Oh, thou circle, be thou a meeting place of love and joy and truth. 315 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,000 A rampart of protection for all those who stand here in wherefore I do bless thee 316 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,000 and I do consecrate thee in the most holy and potent names. 317 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 You're a witch. 318 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Damn. 319 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Zildy and Nigel worship nature and the changing of the seasons. 320 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Now is the moment of the springy venox when day and night are equal. 321 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Nothing to do they say with Satan. 322 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 To common belief that which is worship Satan, 323 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,000 but we can't worship Satan because we don't even know acknowledge his existence. 324 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000 Is witchcraft harmless? 325 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 No. 326 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 But then no religion is harmless. 327 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Is that I can be harmful? Yes we can. 328 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Of course it can. 329 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Anything that is taken to extremes can be dangerous. 330 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Where's the common we're looking for more really more kicks? 331 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 David still will. He started off in witchcraft. 332 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000 He finished up in something very different. 333 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Collectively as a group we decided to explore Satanism. 334 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Now you were looking for more kicks. 335 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 What did you end up doing? 336 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Animal sacrifice. 337 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Sacrificing animals, birds and rabbits and pigeons, 338 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Davs things like that. 339 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Oh, that's nonsense. 340 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Be thou a fit and sweet smelling. 341 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Getting bored with rituals like this. 342 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Turn David still will in his oven away from worshipping mother nature 343 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 to worshipping the devil. 344 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,000 He was heading towards the kind of depravity that we heard to reason described. 345 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Could you look up a hidden and think to yourself 346 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,000 or the next sacrifice might be a child? 347 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Yeah, it's always something that's at the back of your mind. 348 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,000 While I was in this oven, we met people of other covens 349 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,000 that purported to take part in child sacrifice. 350 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 They used to burn witches in this country 351 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 and there are moves of foot in the British parliament 352 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 to have the worst forms of witchcraft outlawed again, 353 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000 especially the sightness. 354 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 But that's not so easily done. 355 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Witchcraft is just another religion here 356 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000 and banning it opens the whole question of freedom of religion. 357 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Meanwhile, the signs are that sightness is spreading its evil 358 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000 at an alarming rate. 359 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,000 We've got to be aware of it. We don't know how big it is 360 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000 but we've got to take it seriously. 361 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Right, why? 362 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 The therapist, we took to Reese's story too. 363 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Her case is bad enough, he says. 364 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,000 But in sheer numbers, not the worst. 365 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Father had to turn children. 366 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,000 He richially sexually abused them in every way possible. 367 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Those 10 children were eventually taken into care. 368 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Those 10 children became adults and between them, they had 23 children. 369 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Subsequently, the grandfather, those 10 adults, and now the 23 children, 370 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000 were all involved in ritual abuse and grandfather 371 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 and those 10 adults sexually abused those children 372 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 in every way possible in a satanic way. 373 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,000 I wanted to ask a bit of excitement, something slightly different. 374 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Something you gave me in experience. 375 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Despite the harm, suffered by children like Theresa, 376 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000 David Austin still defend Satanism. 377 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 I don't call it dangerous. 378 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 I don't say it's dangerous, it's like anything else. 379 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,000 If you've got a night sugulissering in a hot kitchen, 380 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000 it's dangerous if you start throwing plain football with it. 381 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,000 It's dangerous. 382 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,000 As the Athamia is to the male, so the carp is to the female. 383 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,000 To Nigel and Zildi, this is a sacred ritual, a fertility right. 384 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Most witches agree sex is an important part of their craft, 385 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 but say it's only symbolic. 386 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Blessed be. 387 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Satanists also use sex in their rituals, 388 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 but it goes far beyond symbolism. 389 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 Take Audrey Harper's experience. 390 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000 This warlock, the master, just raped me. 391 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000 It's the high priest of the coffin. 392 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Mary to the devil, is that what it meant? 393 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 That's hyper thing. 394 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Yes, only there's no ceremony. 395 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,000 But the act of unity completes my initiation ceremony. 396 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 I now belong, mind, body and soul to Satan. 397 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Mary to the devil, a consistent pattern that seems. 398 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Audrey, when she was 22, to Racer, when she was a little girl. 399 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:50,000 These, um, Mary, the kids, to Lucifer. 400 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,000 So, um, we were part of him. 401 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,000 You know, we were he's. 402 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Did that include you, were you married to the devil? 403 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Yeah. 404 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,000 Um, we used to be dressed up in a cloak. 405 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,000 And it was just like a marriage in the church, 406 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 but different words, you know. 407 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 What were you taught about Lucifer? 408 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Just that we should, you know, befriend, treat me as a friend. 409 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,000 And that is always there if we ever need him. 410 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Why do they do such wicked things in these comments? 411 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Because they're pleasing Satan. 412 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,000 The lower you become, the more violent you become, 413 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000 the more please Satan is with you. 414 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000 And therefore the more power you'll get when you die. 415 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,000 And they believe this? 416 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 They believe it. 417 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000 They absolutely believe it. 418 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Is this just an English disease or should we be worried 419 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000 in Australia about activity such as this? 420 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000 I think it must be worried in every country, including yours. 421 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000 And without a shadow of a doubt, you'll have groups in Australia 422 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000 who are doing similar things. 423 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000 It's almost certain that there are black coffins in Australia 424 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,000 and that there is child sacrifice going on in Australia. 425 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Do you think there are ascertaining cults operating in Australia? 426 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Yes, I think it'd be very naive us to, uh, to neither. 427 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Our crime intelligence officer again, Sergeant Alan Barwick. 428 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Theresa talks of ritualistic sacrifices. 429 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Have you come across anything like this in your investigations? 430 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Yes, we have. 431 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000 What kind of sacrifices? 432 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Animal sacrifices. 433 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Can you tell me anything about that? 434 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 No, I can. 435 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Why is that? 436 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000 It's ongoing inquiry. 437 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000 The problem is knowing how to recognize it. 438 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 And that comes down really to parent. 439 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,000 Parents recognizing whether kids are. 440 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000 It's interesting to change. 441 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,000 You have to wonder why no one guessed what was happening to Theresa 442 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000 over those 12 years at NANDS place. 443 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Not even her mother knew when Theresa came to stay with her on holidays. 444 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:21,000 I think with most people, not only myself, they're such an abhorrent, 445 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 disgusting thing. 446 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000 I don't think we want to hear it. 447 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 So what do you'd mother's do? 448 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Well, the, take the child aside and believe them. 449 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Believe them. 450 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,000 It's, so many times you hear about a child guy from one adult 451 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 the next to the next in an effort to get somebody to listen. 452 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,000 I mean, in Theresa's case, she, the people she told joined in. 453 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 And she thought I was going to, too. 454 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,000 That was a real blow. 455 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:01,000 I cried for weeks over there that she would look at me and think that I could do that. 456 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 What would you hope to do with your life now? 457 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Are you looking forward to doing? 458 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,000 Just living, being happy. 459 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000 What would you like to do when you leave school? 460 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000 Careful children. 461 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,000 Handicapped ones, you know, abuse children like me, maybe. 462 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Now Australian police want your help. 463 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 To compile information on satanic cults, 464 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 especially cases where children are being abused. 465 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Any sort of information at all, anybody that has some suspicions about a cult working in the particular area, 466 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 or they know of people who are involved? 467 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000 If there was someone watching this program who was involved in the satanic cult 468 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 and wants to get out, what would you say to that person? 469 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Well come forward. 470 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000 There are many welfare groups around that are kind of system. 471 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Certainly we can point those people in the right direction and certainly offer them protection if it's necessary. 472 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,000 In New South Wales, the police hotline number is O2-209-16. 473 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000 That's 209-16. 474 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,000 In other states, you should contact police headquarters in your capital city.