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This man has a remarkable story to tell. He claims to have infiltrated as secret world and collected information about the appalling activities of British criminals living in Amsterdam.

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This was done by people who knew people who wanted to harm children. This was done as a money-making venture.

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It was also done by very highly organised criminals.

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The allegations in this programme may seem beyond belief that British men living in Amsterdam have been making money from sex crimes for which children have paid with their lives.

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I can remember each face separately. I can remember the many details.

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What is where they were with their appearances?

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They were all aged between 9 and 10 and 11 at the very lowest.

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They were all very thin and very young boys.

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Tonight for the first time, Edward describes how he stumbled into a terrible hidden world where young children are abused and then murdered all before the un-glinging eye of the video camera.

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The police say they have never seen a genuine tape where child is actually killed.

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Surely it is more likely that this was a clever fake.

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It is not a clever fake. These tapes do exist.

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The problem is that it is so hard for people like you and I to believe that there are people out there that would do that to children.

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It is easier for us to dismiss it as being a fable.

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In the second world, more people would not believe that there were concentration camps and the war.

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It is easier to believe that I am mine than to believe that these tapes are real.

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No police force in the world has ever seen a genuine so-called snuff movie where a child is actually killed in front of the camera.

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But tapes have been seized where children are terribly abused. In this case the victim was an eight-year-old boy called Bjorn.

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The Swedish police released extracts from one tape to Swedish television, who passed them to us.

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The police said that the police had been killed.

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The police said that the police had been killed.

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The police said that the police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The police had been killed.

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The image that they can deal with on a personal level.

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What we actually deal with here, which is, unfortunately often referred to as Kiddipol, is the evidence of serious sexual crimes against children.

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That evidence is contained in the films, whether the video or photograph.

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The Peterfilia unit at Scoppand Yard has also seized a copy of the Bjorn tape.

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They're interested in the English man who made the tape and the young boy they abuse.

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The young boy aged between seven and eight years, carried into the room.

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He's hooded. He's taken to a chair.

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He's tied to the chair.

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And then over a period of time, he is sexually abused in the left terrific way.

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The police believed the man is from the south of England and is called John.

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The boy is European that speaks English.

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At one point, he warns John not to show his face.

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The boy shouts your face, which tends to show that he's either been told that there's obviously a monitoring and a front of him where he can see what's happening.

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And he's been told that at any stage, the abuse is faces on there. He is to say.

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The Peterfilia unit has asked us to show this picture from the Bjorn tape to help them identify the English man, John.

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When some of them say that they love children and when you see this type of film, there's no way they can say they love children.

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Why not?

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Because the terror that is in this child face and the fear that it's actually drug-a-child to actually wake him up here in the screen when he is bothered.

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There's no way that he can say that child is enjoying it.

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This man says he has seen five tapes where children have not only been sexually abused, they've also been tortured and then killed in front of the camera.

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So five different men, killed children on these tapes and allowed themselves to be videotaped during the...

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...doings of...

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But really does string the bones of credibility, doesn't it?

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But the people who wanted these tapes to be made were people who wanted to kill children.

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They wanted the memory of it, they wanted to see it in person, they wanted to do it, and they wanted something to remember it by.

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The problem with this claim is that no one has yet found any physical evidence to prove that murders have been committed on videotape.

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We've recovered a number of videotape, which feature the horrendous abuse of children, including torture.

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Thankfully, no more enforcements, or anywhere in the world, has ever found what is known as a snuff for the year.

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Does that mean they don't exist?

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We don't know.

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Having said that, the characteristics of some of these offenders might suggest that they're capable of this, particularly the offender of his sadistic tendencies.

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In the late 1980s when he was 22, Edward moved from Birmingham to Amsterdam to take advantage of its more liberal attitudes towards homosexuality.

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Edward insists he is not a pedophile, but burdened by the horrors he has witnessed, he's decided to speak out publicly for the first time about the hidden world of perversion and murder he discovered.

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The other thing that many people might think, because this is so difficult to comprehend, is that you've simply fantasized this, but this is the product of your imagination.

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And for very long imagination for somebody to dream something like this up.

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But sometimes I've walked in the imagination.

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Not when you consider the people that I'm actually describing.

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Edward met British pedophiles of every description in Amsterdam.

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The most alarming figure was Warwick Spinks, who's currently coming to the end of a five-year jail sentence in England for the rape and abduction of a 14-year-old boy.

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Warwick Spinks was a very, very plausible individual, a man who gave off an impression of being wealthy.

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He was able to speak many languages, being travelling extensively, he was able to meet people, talk about his meetings with people.

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Some say he was a magnetic character, his very loud, brush, his another description, but underneath his very dangerous.

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Edward is a former friend of Warwick Spinks.

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Edward says he's finally decided to tell his story because he cannot forget one apparently simple incident in the centre of Amsterdam when he met Spinks and a young boy.

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He turned up one day with a boy gripped very tightly by the arm.

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The boy was only about eight, seven or eight, typical Dutch-looking boy, blond and blue eyes.

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And the boy looked absolutely terrified.

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What did Warwick say to you?

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He couldn't stand at the boy and said, I've got a delivery, I'm going to be another half an hour.

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I don't know what happened to the boy.

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I've never saw the boy again.

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And this I did not tell I was quite a boy, what he actually meant by making a delivery.

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He was very adept at identifying vulnerable children.

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He would visit railway stations, streets in London, and having identified a child who would then convince the child that he was in his interests to know him.

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He would also eventually sexually abuse him.

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But on that basis, he would always have at the back of his mind, I suspect, but there was an opportunity to take the child and turn to them.

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When Edward Met Spinks, the friend B. London, who was working as a barman and a pimp in a baffle called the gay place.

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Outsfares was a gay baffle for prostitutes, male prostitutes.

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One extra there was basically to pimp for the prostitutes upstairs, and also of course to encourage other prostitutes to join.

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In Holland, prostitutes and gay or straight is tolerated and open.

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Boys under the age of 16 and not allowed to work in baffles, but Peter Farsi want to have sex with much younger children, can find what they want in Amsterdam.

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Men like work Spinks need a steady supply of vulnerable young boys.

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Many of the youngsters who end up trapped in Amsterdam start their journey on the streets of London.

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This is a big of a circus called the Maitracket. A lot of people know that if you want a male prostitutes, this is where you'll come for one.

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The wife and you go straight there and you straight home again. I didn't know what I was not allowed to work for.

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We can walk around, but when you start watching in toilets and looking at people, then you start getting things.

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The police estimate that there are at least 25,000 Peter Farsi currently active in Britain.

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Sergeant Steve Edwards and his colleague, stopped and questioned any young person they suspect maybe at risk of attracting the attention of Peter Farsi.

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We've got some information and it'd be a man being young boys up in the South Coast. This is the station of food to South Coast. We may see him wondering about with boys.

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Also because he's a mainline of Stoge, you'll get runaway coming in.

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The first port calls all is going to be a British Railwaying Line Station before they go anywhere else.

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So if we can get them before they get to far, this is far food out there as well. We might get people hanging around. There's also a couple of them is my case.

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A amusement park kids are irresistible magnets for many children and for the men who hunt them.

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If the kids only got four or five pound in their pocket, the money's going to go really quickly. What you'll find at a back of these amusement park, these adult males, we'll pocket for the pound coins.

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And when the kids run out of money they have saved, have a couple of pound. We'd like to go for a coffee and we'd like to have a burger with me.

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Did you know before I was standing in it, was you aware with the man that was standing behind you? What did you do?

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You know what a beautiful is? There's a lot of them about it. I wanted to get used to it and he was looking to go.

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This young boy was given a severe warning and taken home to his parents.

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Men like why experts at targeting and exploiting vulnerable young people they meet on the street.

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He would go to London or Munich or Berlin. So he was able to approach the boys and offer them something that they needed at the time.

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Whether that was just a roof over their head or security or money or drugs or just two meals a day.

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In November 1992, 17-year-old Kenny was homeless, penniless and drifting into drugs.

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He was the perfect target for warping spinks.

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I didn't have much friends at the time and he seemed okay, he seemed genuine.

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I didn't know that one was going into the fall of a night when we were in the pubs and the clubs and it was also a war between the way we were, the way we were getting on with people.

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Spinks persuaded 17-year-old Kenny to travel with him to a private gay club in Amsterdam.

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You then got up a count, showing young boys their past it to me.

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I felt, I felt terrified, I didn't know what the next question was going to be.

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When he showed me the book, he was enjoying it.

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It wasn't just about money, he got kicked from it, he loved it.

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The shows I would say about 15-20 photographs of young boys between nine and 13,

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I was completely naked, showing their penis off, everything on their body.

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Some of them wasn't smiling, some of them looked, I got a scared, some of them looked.

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Happy, happy as they wanted to do what they were doing.

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But most of the photographs, I saw that they did not want to do that, and that's what got me the bad vibe.

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Did it say anything with any of the photographs?

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Yeah, there was some, a photograph and it says a virgin, and it's the only thing that actually said,

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It was the only photograph that actually said it.

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And what age would that boy think?

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I think he would be about 10-11, it was only a child.

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Kenny ended up wearing spink's hundreds of pounds,

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when he couldn't pay up, spink suggested an alternative method of clearing his debt.

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This is the only way you can pay off is the young boys.

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And what he meant in what I totally understood is the young boy wanted young male boys to go with him and make sexual films.

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I told him, no, I told him, that is just out of the question, I'd pay him in the storm, if he likes it or not.

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And what started to get violent, not fighting violent but sexually violent, pushing him around, he's laughing, he enjoyed it.

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Kenny says spinks raped in that night, spinks also told the teenager why he wanted younger boys.

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I says what I've been put you out of it.

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And he says he likes and to bleed, he likes and to cry, he likes, he likes to see pain, he gets all bad and low over the pain.

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And that's what it does, it just enjoys it, he says to me,

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he likes the boys to cry, he enjoys the boy he'd voice to cry, he'd want the boys to cry, he goes out to make them cry and that's, I think that's his hit, that's his ambition, that's what he wants.

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Kenny refused to help spinks find younger boys and managed to break away from the sinister world into which he had stumbled.

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Others weren't so lucky.

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Edward says that he didn't realize spinks was both a pedophile and a pin until it was too late.

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People would approach him being sort of carotry and say that they wanted to have sex with boys who were younger than were allowed in the brothels or to have rust sex or extremely dangerous sex with underage children.

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The challenge for spinks was to find a steady supply of underage boys to feed the appetites of his clients in Amsterdam.

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The Londoner had his favourite hunting grounds, one was Piccadilly Circus.

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A lot of people know that if you want a male prostitute, this is where you'll come for one.

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They'll sit in the front windows at a fast food door, they eat the coffee shops, hang around on the railings, and it's punters at one young man will come here.

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Sergeant Steve Edwards is constantly on the lookout for young homeless boys who often end up selling themselves as prostitutes.

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They're known on the street as rent boys.

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I think it's been explained to you.

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Why are you said you were in there?

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I'm more evidence that you're in there.

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You're venting.

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You're venting.

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You're venting.

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Why are spinks with pay on children that were vulnerable in their own life?

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That needed things that they didn't have, things that they perceived can be offered by people like well,

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that were experienced.

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And particularly bowing, mine, he would travel to the areas where

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London children tend to congregate with a bit of runaway from home,

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Strangers to particularly London.

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He would know that they were there, particularly because of a vulnerable.

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Spinks next victim, Gary, was just 14 years old.

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He and a friend had run away from a children's home in the north of England,

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and were living on the street in London when they first met, why are you spinks?

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I live in a room for about 19 nights or something.

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Shabby was cold, read nothing to eat, was sat in a wall.

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When I'm worried, the copokes were lying for a team.

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We'd thought it was a genuine guy, so we thought that right, you'll get a bed-pot-lacks from it to eat,

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and grubble with starving, but not to eat and no one ate.

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So we went now with him.

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The boy's travelled with spinks to his flat in Hastings.

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When he pulled out an egg, and then told us to take our clothes off and perform such

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actual ritual, and do stuff why took pictures and then, and sexually abused as well.

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Why was he taking the pictures?

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Beautiful, and then he was sending it to Amsterdam in a different way,

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so he could make money.

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Hooked on drugs and totally under spinks control,

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the 14-year-old was taken on a terrifying journey to a strange city.

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I didn't know what to do, so I had to go to Amsterdam to go pick up some drugs,

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so I went across with him, and then he saw a soul down to a bottle.

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And then he went to a bottle.

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Gary says he was sold by spinks at the blue boy, notorious gay brothel in the heart of Amsterdam.

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And what happened to you then?

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I got sexually abused by all the punters, all the landlord,

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the least is give the boys drugs to give, give me drugs for his own bitch,

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even if you want drugs to give you a moneyway for a million drinks,

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and you can't move, and people can do what they want it to.

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Amsterdam takes pride in its reputation as Europe's most tolerant city.

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Plains that children have been killed on camera in Amsterdam

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take charge pornography to the extreme.

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But all kinds of British men who were sexually attracted to children

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and the criminals who profit from this obsession have congregated here.

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The Bending Monghels are specials that boys were being encouraged to leave London

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This was in the town of 1991.

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A number of information sources approached as telling us that this was happening

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and that it involved uniting the nationals.

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This is the Dutch home of Englishman Peter Hals,

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Mr. Hals is an actor and the manager of a London-based casting agency called Bovabooots.

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For nearly 20 years the agency was used as a cover for another area

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of the Charter pornography business obscene photographs.

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Children were tempted to pose for Bovabooots by the offer of TV work.

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This reconstruction is based on statements given by children to the police.

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Children as young as eight would visit the home of a man who they thought was the official photographer for Bovabooots.

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Hello, Lord.

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How do you come?

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How are you Jeff?

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How are you?

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Harry was coming across like he was like an uncle.

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Everything that we was doing was basically he was letting us do that.

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We couldn't really do during school times anywhere else.

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I've done a focus session at East Flat and he told me he would take me home to my doorstep

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and tell my mum why I was a bit late.

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I was told to my friend or in explain to me he was to my mum and told her that I was late because of a football match.

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And he was there to expect to take her as a friend of mine and he'd run me home and the mum had nothing to worry about.

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Yeah, he must have been right.

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You know what he was like, you know, baby face.

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I don't think you did any fault.

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And then I said I'm going to Harry again.

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He's told my mum to be an hospital and Lee came up to see me and Harry was with him.

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And I've not long.

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He's been about a year, maybe a year.

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I've just lost my husband.

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And I've got cold and now he put his coat there and there.

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Because you're not only dealing with a mother who's son has been photographed and she was unaware of this.

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I couldn't look at my father. I couldn't even look at my mother.

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I couldn't go near anyone.

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I just felt like some dirty and I felt like scum to be honest.

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I just couldn't believe that everything had just come out.

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And then he intended and said, I'm sorry, they said it was a father's.

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And my lead just broke down.

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And he couldn't talk for your love. I couldn't talk for your love.

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The photographs are extremely explicit.

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Specifically display their genital area.

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And for them to have to look at those, I personally couldn't look at photographs of that type of me again.

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And I have to say that for some of them, they were unable to look at those photographs.

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I just felt so ashamed inside. I just didn't know what to do. I just broke down and cried.

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Harry Jeffers was convicted and served one year for two years since for taking indecent photographs.

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He's now back living behind closed doors.

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In a secretly recorded conversation, Jeffers still denies anyone doing.

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You know how we're dealt with.

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Who'll pick it up?

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Look on an artist, right? I take news photographs. Don't you realize what I've been through

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and get you come here, you're Starrittora.

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Harry Jeffers refused our request for an interview.

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When we returned to his home, we found Mr. Jeffers and another man once again in the company of a young boy.

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Yes, I'm Mr. Jeffery.

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Emily Children's lives have you ruined Mr. Jeffery?

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Answer the question please.

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Mr. Jeffery, why will you answer the question?

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We've seen you at the young boy today. What are you doing with Mr. Jeffery?

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The boy let slip that Jeffers was once again up to his old tricks.

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Will he take an indecent photographs?

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No, then I can't focus off that part.

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The police have now started a new investigation of Harry Jeffers.

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Take a two shirt off. Let's have a look at you.

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then Peter Hals tried putting down randomly into new pyjamas and when I saw it like pushed him away and told Aaron Jeff is next morning he found it amusing Jeff is there to say you're mine in this stuff but try and touch his sort of things all the game to them.

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Harry Jeff is was one of several men using Peter Hals casting agency as a cover to take thousands of indecent photographs of children.

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In the late 1980s Peter Hals decided to leave England and open a new office in Amsterdam.

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One of the men who was certainly connected with this investigation was now living full-time in Amsterdam.

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There was an incident in respect to this man he was assaulted and I understand from the Dutch police that when they went to render assistance

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then he in fact all over the houseboat was numerous photographs of young boys in indecent poses.

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The difficulty is the difference in laws between our two countries and the Dutch police were unable to do anything about it because of their different laws.

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But certainly my main concern was because of the connection between all these men was that they were certainly would have been pictures of some of my victims.

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In order to speak to Mr. Hals about his interest in young boys we tended him off his houseboat with an offer of work for his casting agency.

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A Dutch lover had.

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Oh yes.

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Okay see you ten. Thanks.

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We're from Granada Television and we're making an documentary can you tell how many children you and other men have sexually abused are the number of Harry Jeffries?

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Well you and other men worked with Mr. Jeffries and have seen photographs were taken a very young children.

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The children of the parents were told that they could get acting work through your casting agency.

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But it's nothing to do with me.

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Well you've been named and statements to the police as a non-use actually it is young boys.

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Well I have.

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You've no sexual interest in young boys.

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You're not a kid of all.

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So in the Dutch police is it your boat and they climbed at the walls of the boat we're lying before the rafts of same photographs of young boys.

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Why does that?

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They're not. They haven't.

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Well we've got to police and tell the bucks what they found.

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Will you better be in the boat if we're down there?

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Well we can do that.

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But what we're trying to is get some answers to our questions.

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You've no sexual interest in young boys.

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In fact Mr. Hals was convicted of indecently assaulting a nine-year-old British boy more than 25 years ago.

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In Amsterdam Peter Hals was in a quaintance of a far more serious criminal warping spinks.

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Edward, the young gay man befriended by spinks,

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remembers one evening in Amsterdam when he had dinner with spinks and Peter Hals.

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On about three tables behind us there was a young married couple with an eight-minor-old boy.

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Peter couldn't take his eyes off of this kid.

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He was saying you know,

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about that boy would be good in bed or about I could teach him a few things.

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And I bet he's got a lovely body.

431
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All this sort of thing he was saying at the table.

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And it was so clear exactly what he was.

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You've never taken a single of those.

434
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No, never. Never. Never fucking never.

435
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I'm not going to get you a cum, don't worry.

436
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Never. Right you're recording all this.

437
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My fucking age is here. Nothing to do with any fucking pedophiles.

438
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Oh, I'll take your car.

439
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I'll bring you to you.

440
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Thank you. I'll bring you back.

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You'll be here.

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Peter Hals has no connection with child prostitution

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or the pornographic video business set up by Warwick Spinks.

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In 1995, Warwick Spinks was jailed for five years

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for selling a 14-year-old British boy in a Dutch brothel.

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There's no doubt in my mind that Warwick Spinks was offered children to men for sex.

447
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When we search his house he found a list.

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He called a clanton list, the client list,

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with the young and which is another expression for boys

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with various details of them and their bodies shown on it.

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And also the various interests of the clients.

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So I've no doubt that this was the business operated by him.

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Edward claims that he only discovered the truth about the child prostitution ring

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Rumb By Warwick Spinks after he'd broken away from the scene in Amsterdam.

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Warwick came up with the idea of having boats just outside of Amsterdam

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where these clients could go.

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The young boy on the boat and the would be the client on the boat

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and then they would be able to do whatever they wanted to offer to the boy.

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This man Edward insists he has seen five video tapes where children have been sexually abused,

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tortured and then killed in front of the camera.

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The man von Word would the boy.

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He was allowed to do anything that he wanted to do to the boy.

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Things got out of hand and the boy ended up dying,

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which was recorded on a video camera.

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How did the boy die?

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He suffocated on the genitals of the man.

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What happened after the boy had apparently suffocated on the tape?

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What did you see on the tape?

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There was panic, there was a lot of running in and out

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that the camera got hit from the side and blanked out.

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The whole thing was inevitable, but this was actually going to happen.

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There was sound on the camera.

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You could hear that the way of sucking against the side of the boat.

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You could hear noises of waterfowl in the background.

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You could hear the boy gagging.

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You could hear the man grunting.

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When the boy actually died, you could hear the panic in the man's voice.

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Edward has no criminal record.

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He has not been paid for telling his story.

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And since talking to us he has been interviewed by both the British and Dutch police

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and has offered to work with them to prove that what he says is true.

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The Dutch police have now launched a formal inquiry into Edward's allegations.

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The reason Edward has to be taken seriously is that he's pointing a finger as a man

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with a track record of appalling sexual violence towards young boys.

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What it's been placed under surveillance by Scott from Jard,

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precisely the cause of information received that he was selling tapes of children being tortured and killed.

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In a remarkable and revealing conversation when he did not know he was being secretly recorded

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by undercover police officers in Holland,

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Spinks boasted of his knowledge of snuff movies,

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an actor reads from the official police transcript.

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I know somebody using a snuff movie, and somebody got snuffed in front of him.

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He was from Birmingham, Middle 20s.

493
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I know the person who made the film.

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I felt sorry for his boy.

495
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He was a German boy about 1315.

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He thought he was going to make 200 guilders, and ended up being dead.

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I know I'm a fat al-quin, but I get away with another.

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Rumours of the existence of what are known as snuff movies have been around for a very long time.

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Law enforcement officers have never ever found one of these.

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However, it's fair to say that in my experience with witnessed video films of horrendous abuse of children,

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arising at a point where they are tortured.

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From prison, Spinks denies committing any crime.

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I had three brothels in them for them, but that is not in itself.

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It does not make me a murderer.

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It does not make me an associate of murderous.

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It does not mean I'm in a pedophilic ring, because I've never had anything to do with anything like that.

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I think more than Spinks is completely disgusting.

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He's put a lot of people through a lot of pain.

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He doesn't care about the consequences.

510
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He just doesn't think about that.

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He just wants to poison you to the monster money.

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If he doesn't get it, he'll get it, he will get it.

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Spinks is imprisoned, because he sold 14 year old British boy into sexual slavery in the sense to dam brothel.

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His victim Gary will never forget him.

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If I was seen him again, it wouldn't really come a little boy.

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He'd become completely different altogether.

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He'd fucked up my life, completely.

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He has a very damaged man inside which, you know what I mean?

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You can think someone up, you can damage him in no way, like he has him to me and a lot of people who don't.

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Edward insists that not only was Spinks involved in the systematic abuse of children,

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he was also involved in their murder.

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At our request, Edward has helped the Dutch police find the house in a suburb of Amsterdam,

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where he says he was shown videos of young boys being killed.

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And Edward has described to the police the lake where the men he met at the house told him they had disposed of the bodies.

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But if Spinks and Begang are arranging for the murder of children on this kind of scale,

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almost a production line, surely would have come to the attention of the authorities.

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The boys that they chose would have been homeless and they would have been very vulnerable children.

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The boys would sell a skin and brown eyes, which is unusual for them.

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And I have no idea what they got him from.

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There were two blonde head boys and a strawberry blonde boy.

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And a boy with a very distinctive haircut, it was shaved over both his and with a loop and a parting down the middle.

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Did the boys speak on the tips?

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They cried in the screen.

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They did cry out, but I don't know what language they were crying out of.

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Acting on our information, the Dutch police have now taken lengthy detailed statements for an Edward.

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The Dutch justice ministry has launched a full inquiry into his allegations.

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They already know that Warick Spinks has a history of gross sexual violence towards young people,

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and they know that he has been repeatedly identified to the British police as a possible supplier of snuff movies.

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British customs have confirmed to us that Edward first offered his incredible story to them in 1991.

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At that time, he was not believed.

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Given the sort of abuse the police see on tapes that they have seized,

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they do agree that children may have been killed for the camera.

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I mean, short of, actually, I would say,

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fatally, inrious child.

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And in dying, I don't think it's only, I was like, in duty.

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It's so horrific that, and the boys, he obviously can point the finger at the abuser.

547
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If he is eventually found.

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So, I wouldn't like to say what has happened to this boy.

549
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I find it quite frightening that they have done this much to him.

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And I don't think that the next step could be the, the killing.

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Edward says that he's speaking out now because he can no longer live with his failure to act.

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When he first saw Warick Spinks leading off a young boy in the centre of Amsterdam.

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In the films that I saw, I saw five children killed.

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And it was organized and orchestrated by Warick in the associates.

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I had no control over the boys that were killed on the tapes.

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There was nothing I could do.

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Other than trying to bring it to the attention of the authorities when I was back in England.

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But I did see Warick with that boy outside the spoused house and the gay palace.

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And I didn't do anything about it at the time.

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And I don't know how he worked out.

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What do you think happened to one boy?

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I don't know.

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I think that Warick is a very evil man.

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And then he think of a family to that boy.

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I'm with what I know now about Warick.

566
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I should have done more.

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But when you see a boy in the flesh with the post, just seeing him on tape,

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it's a different thing in Germany.

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Do you blame yourself?

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Yes.

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What do you hope will happen as a result of speaking out now?

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I hope that they go to jail for the rest of their lives.

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And I hope that the boys who they killed, their families will know.

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And I hope maybe one day I'll find out what happened to the boy.

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That one I could with that day.

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I hope that the boy will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will be the one who will