1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,080 You told Janice this was a crypto interview. 2 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:03,520 No, no, I didn't. 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,180 Do you want to talk to him or not? 4 00:00:05,380 --> 00:00:06,800 No, I didn't tell him it was crypto. 5 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,440 You and I have nothing more to say to each other. 6 00:00:09,860 --> 00:00:16,020 If you want to dig up shit like this, you poor bastard, where the fuck do you think you will end up? 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,780 Here's what happened. 8 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:19,780 I spoke to John McAfee. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,860 As some of you might be aware, I made a series of four videos about John McAfee, 10 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:28,960 doing a chronology of his life. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:39,840 John McAfee is like Hunter S. Thompson, if Hunter S. Thompson was also accused of murdering, raping people, 12 00:00:40,180 --> 00:00:43,760 and also scamming people. 13 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:49,180 So when I went into this interview with John McAfee, which I'm about to show you, 14 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:56,760 I kind of wanted to start off by quickly asking him about the murders, 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,640 and then asking him about the rapes and asking him about the frauds. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:07,700 Because I thought it would be irresponsible of me to talk to him and not ask him those things up front. 17 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:12,480 Afterwards, I was planning to just, like, you know, kind of shoot the shit with him, 18 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:15,640 and I had a few jokes written and whatnot. 19 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:19,000 But it didn't get to that. 20 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:23,720 The call lasted 13 minutes, and it ended with him threatening me. 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:30,560 So let's just watch it, and let's see how it went. 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,680 I'm going to hit record. 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,080 It's recording. 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,880 I'm joined today by the creator of the eponymously named antivirus software, 25 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:43,540 the madman in exile, the periodic fugitive on the run, 26 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:45,720 John David McAfee. 27 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:49,780 Mr. McAfee, thanks for agreeing to talk to me. 28 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:53,300 My first question, and this is probably a question you get a lot, 29 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:55,640 why exactly is it pronounced McAfee? 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Well, first of all, Janice told me I had an interview with CNN, 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,300 so I assumed that she had bad information. 32 00:02:05,740 --> 00:02:07,580 But I'm joking. 33 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:08,560 I guess so. 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,340 I'm fucking with you. 35 00:02:10,540 --> 00:02:11,040 Okay, no. 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,620 I have no idea. 37 00:02:12,980 --> 00:02:19,480 Listen, that's what my father and grandfather said the pronunciation was. 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:25,660 But listen, my parents lied to me about half of the reality of life, 39 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:30,860 as all parents do, including there was Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. 40 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:35,540 So why should I believe that that's the real pronunciation? 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,160 That's all I have. 42 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:40,680 You can pronounce it McAfee or anything that you want. 43 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:41,680 I'm perfectly happy. 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,020 Do you think it was like a generations-long game of, like, telephone? 45 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,800 Like, at one point, someone just got it wrong. 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,320 So I decided to go with that. 47 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,100 I have no idea. 48 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,180 Possibly, yes, indeed. 49 00:03:00,220 --> 00:03:00,780 Possibly. 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:07,380 Okay, so I think it would be kind of irresponsible of me to talk to you 51 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:10,440 and not just ask the hard questions right up front. 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,660 In 2012, after Greg Fall was murdered, 53 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:17,120 why did you go on the run if you were only wanted for questioning? 54 00:03:17,460 --> 00:03:19,300 And why did you seek asylum in Guadalupe? 55 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:21,780 Okay. 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,640 First of all, I was not in America or Europe or Russia or even China. 57 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:34,660 I was in a third world dictatorship, even though it's called a democracy. 58 00:03:34,660 --> 00:03:43,160 I had been at war with the government of Belize for over a year 59 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,000 because they had illegally raided my compound in the interior. 60 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:58,260 It's a long story, but I have no intention now, then, or ever of putting myself in the position 61 00:03:58,260 --> 00:04:08,060 of having to succumb to the legislative and judicial system in Belize. 62 00:04:08,060 --> 00:04:14,300 It's one of the smallest countries in the world, and it's also the murder capital of the world. 63 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:20,940 So, no, anybody who thinks that I should not have run simply did not know the backstory. 64 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:25,580 Well, I'm very familiar with the backstory, actually, 65 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:30,700 and I made a series of videos chronicling your life. 66 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:38,220 I'm just wondering about a lot of things, especially what seems to be paranoia. 67 00:04:38,740 --> 00:04:43,900 You regularly talk about enemies who are trying to kill you on behalf of multiple organizations, 68 00:04:44,220 --> 00:04:52,160 the CIA, the Sinaloa cartel, the GSU, elite members of Raul Castro's army, 69 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:59,620 and most recently you were saying that someone in the Bahamas was sending a rogue CIA agent after you. 70 00:04:59,620 --> 00:05:05,380 So, again, in 2017, you went on a naked shooting spree in your home in Tennessee, 71 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:09,400 and you said that the police government sent assassins to kill you 72 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,600 because you hacked into their system to collect top-secret information, 73 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,160 information which you said connects Belize to Hezbollah, the Los Dados cartel, 74 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:23,260 and it all was a massive human trafficking conspiracy. 75 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,740 Would you call yourself paranoid, or are you just fucking with people? 76 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:29,100 Are you just fucking with the media? Are you just messing with the public? 77 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:31,480 Like, who's coming after John McAfee? 78 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,200 It's obvious that I fuck with the media. 79 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,960 I mean, anybody with any common sense. 80 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:41,240 I mean, why don't you Google some time? 81 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:44,160 Observational yoga. 82 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Observational, yes. 83 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,740 What happened, okay, so what happened, 84 00:05:48,740 --> 00:06:02,000 so someone, a reporter from the Village Voice called me at midnight asking for a fucking interview about Greg Gamuccio 85 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,300 and the founder of the hot yoga system, 86 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:08,540 and the founder of the hot yoga system, Bikram Yoga. 87 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,740 There was a $5 billion loss, dude. 88 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:15,720 So she actually said, really? 89 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:17,880 I thought, well, fuck me. 90 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,440 I have a live one online now. 91 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,480 And so she said, does it work for everything? 92 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:26,280 I said, no. 93 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:28,220 I said, well, let me give you an example. 94 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:36,280 We've tried it with piano pieces, like being a world-class pianist, 95 00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:40,640 discover that no matter how long you watch that motherfucker, 96 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,360 you can learn the piano. 97 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:51,980 I said, I think the thing is, it only works when large muscle groups are involved. 98 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,560 My fingers, they're just too tiny to follow this formula. 99 00:06:57,020 --> 00:07:04,800 We have discovered, by the way, that you can gain lean muscle mass and lose fat 100 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,940 by watching people lift weights on stage. 101 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:14,120 So anyway, she actually published this fucking quote, right? 102 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:20,740 So, yes, of course, I fuck with the media. 103 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:24,540 The media is Satan in disguise. 104 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:29,300 If you want to trash me for that, please feel free to do so, my friend. 105 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,040 I don't want to trash you for that. 106 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,820 I find it pretty funny myself. 107 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:40,920 I just think that when it comes to the alleged murders and the alleged rapes, 108 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,100 it kind of seems like the truth is very diluted, 109 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,300 and it's almost made into such a circus. 110 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:54,840 Well, I mean, you put your limits at murders and alleged murders. 111 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,580 I don't have any limits. 112 00:07:56,580 --> 00:08:01,920 So, you may limit yourself in any way that you choose. 113 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,040 Oh, are you still there? 114 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:09,900 It's still the same fucking anything. 115 00:08:12,860 --> 00:08:14,540 Okay, so you cut out for a second. 116 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,040 I'm just going to straight up ask, 117 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,480 did you hire Eddie Mactan McCoy to kill Greg Fall? 118 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,660 I'm sorry? 119 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:23,860 What did he say? 120 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:25,640 Did I cut out? 121 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,060 What did he say? 122 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:34,220 Did you pay Eddie Mactan McCoy to murder Greg Fall? 123 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,760 Okay, so here's the story. 124 00:08:37,420 --> 00:08:44,560 That I wrote a personal check to Eddie Mactan McCoy for $5,000. 125 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,840 And I know, and anybody in the know knows, 126 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,280 you can't have anybody whacked for $5,000. 127 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:59,200 And if you could, can you write them a personal check that they can put in the bank? 128 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,460 And even if you could do that, 129 00:09:01,860 --> 00:09:05,520 even if someone would accept a personal check to Eddie Mactan McCoy, 130 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:09,120 $5,000 for whacking Greg Fall? 131 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,140 No. 132 00:09:10,140 --> 00:09:17,780 Even if they could do that, would I give it to a third party? 133 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:25,980 My character, the head of all of the people managing my property, and say, 134 00:09:26,060 --> 00:09:28,120 please, give this Eddie Mactan McCoy. 135 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:34,240 Can you understand the absurdity of that idea? 136 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:41,140 I mean, if in fact, I wanted to punish someone for something they had done, 137 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:45,040 would I do it the following fucking day? 138 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:48,400 Please, God, people, wake up. 139 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Yeah, I actually, I spoke to Eddie Mactan McCoy while I was making the series of videos, 140 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,000 and he did tell me he was arrested after the documentary aired. 141 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:02,880 He told me that there was no evidence that you sent money. 142 00:10:02,940 --> 00:10:08,040 But Eddie Mactan McCoy's been arrested $5,000. 143 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:14,160 So what about David Middleton? 144 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:16,120 Because that's something else that's alleged. 145 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:19,380 About? 146 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:21,020 David Middleton. 147 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,100 David Middleton. 148 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:25,420 In Carmelita, apparently, he robbed one of your... 149 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:30,560 Who the fuck is David Middleton? 150 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,020 David Middleton is the man who, in the documentary Gringo, 151 00:10:35,020 --> 00:10:39,100 it's alleged that because he robbed your property, you had... 152 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:42,020 You had me at a disadvantage. 153 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:48,620 I've never watched that particular documentary out of the hundred... 154 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:50,080 So I don't have a clue. 155 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,320 I don't know. 156 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:52,140 David Middleton. 157 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:53,500 Mm-hmm. 158 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:54,780 Okay. 159 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,100 Fair enough. 160 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,580 So while you were living in Orange Walk... 161 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:01,920 Okay. 162 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,220 It's okay, baby. 163 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:05,740 You said it was a day. 164 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:06,740 What's that? 165 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:09,060 Are we going to talk about cryptocurrency? 166 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:13,180 Are you going to dig up absurdities from the past? 167 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:17,680 Because if it's that, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. 168 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:21,300 What is your point to this fucking interview? 169 00:11:21,820 --> 00:11:26,220 Oh, well, just to give you a platform to... 170 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:29,120 These are the things that people read about you. 171 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,120 You can look up on one Google search. 172 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,120 To give me a fucking platform? 173 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,040 Yes, to... 174 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,680 What the fuck are you talking about? 175 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:37,440 To, to... 176 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,080 If you... 177 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,960 Listen, ask crypto questions now. 178 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,780 We've been at this for 10 minutes. 179 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,760 We're just, please sign off. 180 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:49,160 Okay? 181 00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:50,000 Let's get some real. 182 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:50,900 Let's get real here. 183 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:51,800 All right? 184 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,280 Okay, so you don't want to discuss anything that happened in Belize. 185 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Good God, Ben. 186 00:11:57,220 --> 00:12:03,980 It's been 10 fucking minutes over total fucking nonsense, which has been rehashed a thousand times. 187 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,220 So do you want to talk crypto or not? 188 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:07,860 Yes or no? 189 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Well, can we talk about the movie being made about you? 190 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,060 I'm just wondering. 191 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,360 You said that you wanted Morgan Freeman to play you. 192 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,500 You told Janice this was a crypto interview. 193 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,400 No, no, I didn't. 194 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:21,620 Do you want to talk to her or not? 195 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:22,420 No, I didn't. 196 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:23,220 I didn't tell her it was crypto. 197 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:25,860 You and I have nothing more to say to each other. 198 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:32,480 If you want to dig up shit like this, you poor bastard, where the fuck do you think you will end up? 199 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:33,280 All right? 200 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:35,180 Listen, it was good talking to you. 201 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:35,440 Goodbye. 202 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Okay, sir. 203 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,400 All right. 204 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:37,760 Bye-bye. 205 00:12:37,940 --> 00:12:38,340 Thank you. 206 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:39,160 All right. 207 00:12:39,180 --> 00:12:39,560 Take care. 208 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:39,620 Bye-bye. 209 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:39,680 Bye-bye. 210 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,620 Bye-bye. 211 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:43,620 Bye-bye. 212 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,000 Okay.