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everyone welcome back to the podcast i'm thrilled to have on john mcafee the founder of

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mcafee antivirus and ghost token john how's it going it's good tom thank you for having me on

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i'm very glad to be here my friend so john we only have 30 minutes so i want to jump right in

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i got two quick overall questions then i want to dive into ghost first question for you do you

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think that crypto actually matters and it'll be ubiquitous like is crypto virus or do you think

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it's the operating system that the world's going to be built on

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crypto is based on a mathematical formula called the blockchain and the blockchain is the first

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technology that has not come from the bowels of the first world changing technology that has not

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come from the bowels of a government black program within the military or from ibm microsoft

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apple samsung or some other corporation it came from the people and the technology by and large has

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been open source if it's not we don't we don't play with it so open source means it's available to anybody

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that what work you have done is now available to the world that you can add to it subtract from it

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multiply it whatever you choose um this is a well it's a defining moment in the evolution of the human

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cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency the first application of

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cryptocurrency with bitcoin which has far far outlived its life expectancy i mean you've got almighty it's

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11 years old 11 years old it has no privacy you can't put smart contracts on that blockchain you can't run

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distributed applications for for years bitcoiners are that people on the dark web accepted for payment

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now the dark web which is the criminal element of the world and criminals always are the first

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to accept new technologies i mean good god almighty when when the telephone came out who were the first

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adopters the mob i mean they had nationwide phone systems so that they could coordinate nationwide

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criminal activity um what about the uh the eight cylinder automobile that came out in 1932

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criminals uh gangsters bought it why you could escape the police because you were twice as fast

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as nobody's catching you in that yeah i'm sorry nobody's catching you in the v8 back then yeah no no if

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you got a six cylinder buick you're not going to catch an eight cylinder oldsmobile i'm sorry it just

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doesn't happen so bank robberies increased tenfold in the early 30s because criminals had the money

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the police departments didn't they had to run their cars till they were not work not running anymore no

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the gangsters got the latest cars they got the latest phones now they're getting the latest crypto

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cryptocurrency what is the latest cryptocurrency it's monero everybody fucking knows this people

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nobody accepts bitcoin anymore what was the value of bitcoin the value was its use as a usable

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cryptocurrency and for four years everybody in the dark web used bitcoin why infinitely superior

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two credit cards which could be traced to a bank account uh now nobody in the fucking world accepts bitcoin

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people i'm sorry i wish they did but they don't what do they accept monero the the world's most private

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private privacy point because if if you send me a hundred dollars worth of bitcoin or i send jews and

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forever after each of us can look in our walls and see how much do we have what comes in and from whom

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what goes out and to whom now if if a plumber came to your house and fixed a leaky sink you wrote them

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a check for twenty dollars and they went to your bank and said hi you know i have i have a a a check

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from john mcafee for twenty dollars can you tell me how much money he has and the bank goes oh absolutely

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he's got x amount and he goes good can you please tell me what his last 20 deposits were

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and who they were from the bank goes absolutely no fucking problem and you go and now mr bank

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from forever after every time something comes into or leaves mr mcafee's account would you please

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notify me and the bank goes sure absolutely that my friends is what bitcoin is please what do you think

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though about i mean monero is great for private transactions and stuff but people just trust

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bitcoin it's 200 times larger than monero so how do you think it's not larger than monero it's not

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it's it's nothing you're talking about the fucking market the market is created monitored uh and

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maintained by people who know nothing about cryptocurrency my friend they're institutional

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fucking investors no monero is the only goddamn currency that's used nobody uses bitcoin people

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trade bitcoin but you and i and everybody knows so defensively people are going to catch up

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and and catch on and go oh fuck me bitcoin's worthless it is worthless you know it's worthless

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please god what is the worth of cryptocurrency the use of it so monero so monero is going to

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overtake bitcoin that's what you think like long term or do you think of course it is of course it is

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please god let's wake up people why was bitcoin eventually worth as much as it was originally

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because it was used as a fucking currency nobody will use bitcoin anymore it's old clunky slow

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expensive expensive with zero privacy nobody uses it it's a piece of shit that the world has not

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understood yet so john just to play devil's advocate because i want to i want to hear your thoughts on

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this i mean there's a lot of ways that they're adding they're trying to add more privacy features

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to bitcoin right are you shitting me are you shitting me yes like there's a lot there's a lot you can

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add to a model t ford to make it a fucking space rocket good god wake up my friend no it's stupid

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fucking please please god you you look like a man with a brain you know better than this you

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fucking know better john i agree with you on the need for privacy i just i mean it's just not a reality

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not just privacy not just privacy show me how the fuck you put a smart contract on the bitcoin

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blockchain impossible well what use is a goddamn blockchain that a smart contract everybody has a

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smart contract except bitcoin what about a distributed application you can't put depths you can't put

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depths on a please god please wake the fuck up if you actually believe bitcoin is worth more than

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five cents then please explain that to me so so john where's the money going to flow though i mean why

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why are people buying bitcoin today if it's not because they're stupid they don't understand the

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blockchain that's why they don't understand cryptocurrency that's why please wake up people

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please god so john let's talk about your new your new token ghost you guys have a lot of i mean this

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is really well thought out you have a full white paper on it all the privacy features you're going to be

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adding to it you know how is this going is this live is this being released right now what's what's

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the status of ghost it's a big well the main net is uh going alive on the 22nd of this one

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um we already have done the airdrop to people with ethershare i just yesterday announced the ghost

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telephone on which the ghost privacy coin will be based uh and also today we announced the ghost

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exchange the first distributed exchange which you can exchange a privacy coin on you can exchange a

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from bitcoin exchange it for ethereum dai those are the three most popular um it's all absolutely

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anonymous and private please if you think that you that people

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people want a coin in which every fucking transaction that you made is visible to the entire fucking

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world what insanity is this please god it makes no sense so every transaction you make what balance you

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have in your fucking wallet every everywhere you send money let's say if you and i exchange five

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dollars with the bitcoin from now on if you send four hundred thousand dollars to a bitcoin address in

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england which everybody knows what the addresses are that's really the uh uh rolls royce of london i want

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to go hey which rolls royce did you buy please god wake up people it's a worthless fucking piece of

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shit we all know it we all know it when do people realize it though i mean when so i don't give a shit

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when they realize it's not my problem i don't give a shit all i'm doing is understanding what does have

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value no who cares who cares here's the problem with the cryptocurrency world people are using it as a

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way to make money by exchanging do you understand the stupidity of that cryptocurrency is the golden

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fucking key to unlock your cage of financial slavery people and you're using it to scratch your fucking

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asses by by exchanging it on exchanges it's cryptocurrency is not a goddamn market people

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it's a reality it's a fucking reality monero is the the only well and dai monero and dai the only

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realities in cryptocurrency the rest is fucking garbage people you guys are are trying to make

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money off of it oh fuck you you can't fuck you so so john the i guess what you're saying is that

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the exchanging the storing value that's all whatever the real value is in changing the way people

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interact communicate stuff like that on a global basis so all the financial like the defy stuff

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is kind of useless is that is that what you're saying what i'm saying is that cryptocurrency is a

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goddamn currency crypto currency those who use it as currency will create the value for that currency

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which is why monero is now worth a thousand times more than bitcoin even though the markets don't

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represent it i don't give a shit in five years it will represent it because people smarten up

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no the the value of any cryptocurrency is what is its use dai what's its use never varies more than

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one percent from the u.s dollar well that's just dai you can pick you can pick stable coins based on

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anything diamonds the euro a basket of currencies i haven't seen one about the length of anybody's

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dick yet but i expect them to no these are stable fucking coins dai never has very more than one

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percent so that's valuable not as an investment who fucking wants to invest in something that never

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goes up or down no as a fucking usable instrument of fucking exchange so you don't have to get out

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into dollars anymore or euros or pounds or japanese yen drop it in dai you're not out of crypto

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it'll stay there absolutely without changing value for fucking everything when you're ready to get into

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another currency do so do you understand so john for the what about what about for the giants though

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like i mean like the you know the asset millions of dollars they want just the giants of the space

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the banks they want asset they want exposure to bitcoin because they want to search for yield they want

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uncorrelated asset they don't care about privacy so what's going to happen to them how do they get

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involved well they're going to lose all their money if you think bitcoin is a sport

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of value are you fucking kidding me people i mean is is the air a store of value is a garbage dump

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a store please people wait the fuck up there's no store of value in cryptocurrency there's just utility

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it's always been utility for four years bitcoin was utility but john why can't utility be a store of

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value why can't my utility it is it is a store of value but there's no utility to bitcoin do you

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understand what utility go on the dark web find a single fucking vendor that will accept bitcoin

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anymore nobody 100 is monero do you understand so just like everybody in the very beginning on the dark

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web was bitcoin nobody accepted the credit cards now nobody accepts bitcoin everybody accepts monero

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the world changes people wake the fuck up so john going back to the privacy idea you're launching ghost

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which is a privacy focused token you have a couple use cases for it already especially the cellular data plan

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how does that then compete with monero like why should i use ghost and not monero

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but i don't know that you should i'm not saying you should but the problem with monero is this it

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cannot be exchanged on a decentralized exchange it's because the fucking i mean it's gorgeous

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let's say privacy going you can't exchange it on a decentralized exchange the blockchain is just too

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we've tried we've tried honestly god everybody's tried it can be done um now what's the problem with

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monero when you do want to get out of monero into dollars yen whatever or bitcoin or ethereum you

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have to exchange it on a centralized exchange all centralized exchanges today are under the thumb of

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governments everyone try to get onto binance without giving them your your your driver's license or your

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your passport or your address or your bank account information what you're fucked as soon as you get

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out of monero you're fucked people no on a decentralized exchange like the mcafee decks or the ghost decks

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um well we got no information we don't know who the fuck you are you never had to put up your driver's

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license or email address or anything nothing you're an anonymous motherfucker doing exchanges

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john how do i get how do i originally get ghost though right there's got to be some link between

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my wallet my money and bitcoin or something and ghost like there has to be some link there right

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well i mean okay we've already announced on the 22nd the the ghost exchange will exchange ghost bitcoin

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ethereum and dai i don't know i don't know originally you can't get any more you're too late

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only holders of esh ethershare got ghost coins i'm sorry you didn't hold leave the share you didn't get

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ghost you can buy it now you can buy it on any number of centralized exchanges but then you risk the

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same thing and those centralized you're saying you got no privacy on the 22nd when the ghost exchange

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goes live you can exchange it and anonymously with anything you want got it got it that makes i

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guess that makes sense so i guess the other thing john is how do you get how do you build a community

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around ghosts like monero has this great community we might not agree or you might not agree but bitcoin

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has a massive global community how do you get a community for ghosts we already have thousands of

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people on our telegram the ghost the ghost coins started out at a tenth of a penny it's now a dollar

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and 75 cents i i mean i don't know it did that not by itself but through the community people

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let's face back bitcoin people has got no goddamn value at all it's not worth 50 cents you know it's not worth

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50 50 fucking cents so bitcoin's going to zero it's just it's just hard to think this is going to

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zero of course it's going to zero duh what's that if nobody will accept it if no one will accept it

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and you show me a single goddamn vendor that will accept bitcoin well i'll eat my fucking shoe nobody

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does it's worthless i guess why does it matter though that a vendor accepts that if everyone

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around the world accepts that you tell me what the value of a cryptocurrency is if not the acceptance of

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the fucking currency please what i don't understand it a currency oh i'll take a dollar for this or three

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dollars or a yen that's value but no one will accept the goddamn bitcoin anymore used to be everybody

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accepted bitcoin 2015 everybody accepted it now no one will accept it what the is the value of a coin

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no one accepts i don't understand the question i don't i don't please god help me understand what your

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question is yeah i i guess my question is though vendors don't have to accept it for it to have value

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i accept it i'm not gonna you do when's the last fucking i'm serious dude when's the last goddamn

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time you accepted bitcoin for something that you fucking sold tell me you're lying to me and you know

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it we accept bitcoin for our consulting services all the time how much how much per month thousands to

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dollars thousands all right okay okay so you would be except the only fucking exception i've ever heard of

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and thank you for enlightening me okay so maybe bitcoin has some value as long as you accept it you

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show me another fucking person that will accept bitcoin i gotta i gotta get a list going and ask people

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you get a fucking list and go on the dark web and let's look at the tens of thousands of vendors

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that only accept monero wake the fuck up my friend i'm sorry wake the fuck up john do you think though

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that the market for illicit drugs accepting monero is bigger than the market for the world buying

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bitcoin though no no absolutely not absolutely not but let me tell you something the dark web is the

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beginning of all truth of value do you understand criminals who use who use the v8 automobile to rob

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banks criminals criminals right why when the v8 came out bank robberies in america increased 10

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fucking fold because the police were five years blind okay getting your v8 automobile not v8 straight h

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you could outrun the fucking police the mob who was the first organization to use telephones

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the mob the fucking mob why they could coordinate their activities nationwide criminals always use

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the first fucking technology please wake up so john what happens to our let's say let's say ghost token

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let's say monero let's just throw in bitcoin right why not let's say they take off in a massive scale

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what happens to our government do we still have a government how do we pay for the firefighters the police

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like how does what does the world look like how did we pay for them before we had income taxes my

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friend in 2013 america was the greatest industrial power in the world we had no income tax we had no

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income tax me learn some history learn some history people what i said 1913 did i oh 1913 janice is like 1913

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um we had no income tax and prior to that america was the industrial power of the world when the

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income tax came we lost that fucking position people so that that does not matter to me

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judge what do you think though about america today you think we're losing our edge about what

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what do you think about america today though as a power us dollars reserve currency do you think

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we're losing our edge do you think it's gone what do you think about it are we losing our edge would

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you look at the chinese the russians the japanese we're losing our edge in 10 years america will be

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a third world's fucking country people got it got it so i guess uh i guess you don't want to live in

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america then no i do want to live in america i just can't they won't let me back in what can i tell you

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that's that's fair so uh john we're out of time we're out of time my friend thank you so much

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i've really enjoyed thanks so much for coming on all right