1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:08,880 First tonight, a story that reads like a Hollywood thriller involving sex, drugs and an outrageous internet entrepreneur called John McAfee. 2 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:17,580 Having made a vast fortune from his online security software, McAfee swapped Silicon Valley for a playboy lifestyle in tropical Belize. 3 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:22,380 There, it was party central until the day his neighbor was gunned down. 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,800 Now, fingers are pointing at the extroverted multi-millionaire. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:32,440 He's currently in the United States, where David O'Shea caught up with him, and McAfee doesn't mind colourful language. 6 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Fuck. Send. Send. 7 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:43,480 A few months ago, this bizarre video appeared on YouTube. 8 00:00:43,980 --> 00:00:50,380 Hello there. My name is John McAfee. I'm the founder of the McAfee antivirus software company. 9 00:00:50,380 --> 00:00:59,680 Although I've had nothing to do with this company for over 15 years, I still get volumes of mail asking, how do I uninstall this software? 10 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:01,600 I have no idea. 11 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:12,720 He packs a lot of craziness into the four-minute video, and finishes by ridiculing the multi-billion-dollar antivirus software company, which still bears his name. 12 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:16,580 15 years ago, I had some beautiful software, and they took it over. I don't know what they did. 13 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:22,080 It was like the time I hired that Bangkok prostitute to do my taxes while I fucked my accountant. 14 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,000 It was terrible. 15 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,860 The same fucking thing is going on now. 16 00:01:24,860 --> 00:01:29,080 But I know what to do. I know exactly what to do. Believe me, I've got a fucking solution right here. 17 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,040 Hello there. 18 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,640 My name is John McAfee. 19 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:38,340 Perfect. 20 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,820 In my last video, I didn't have... 21 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:44,540 His second short video, being edited here today, is no less provocative. 22 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,040 You can't tell that she was actually giving me her. Isn't there a shot where she's looking up over the desk? 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,080 I did not actually know what you did. 24 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,560 Why are you producing these short films? 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,580 Why not? Because I'm 67 and bored. That's one reason. 26 00:01:56,940 --> 00:01:57,880 It's a lot of fun. 27 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,380 I get to hang out with cute girls who are scantily clad. That's number two. 28 00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:07,820 And number three, I get to say something that the world will actually listen to that you can't edit. 29 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:14,180 McAfee is a renowned prankster, and I know he particularly enjoys tricking journalists. 30 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,460 So I'm on high alert from the outset. 31 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:24,540 Let's go all the way back. I mean, my first trip to the Amazon, when I went to Ecuador and went down the river and first tasted human flesh, 32 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:33,680 the attraction for human flesh was, like, so profound that, you know, when I came back to the States and they accused me of eating small children, 33 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,820 I wasn't sure that I had actually done it or not. 34 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,620 You realise I can't be using any of you. 35 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,840 You realise that none of that actually happened somehow. 36 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:46,480 But you were clever to catch on to it that fast. 37 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:54,320 In the second video, in his own sneaky way, he addresses the accusations being levelled against him. 38 00:02:54,320 --> 00:03:01,560 The four most popular factual questions are, number one, did I murder my neighbour in Belize? 39 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:06,740 Was I manufacturing illegal drugs in Central America? 40 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:10,180 Was I having sex with underage girls? 41 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,640 And was I using bath salts? 42 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:18,980 I can answer a resounding no to all three of those questions. 43 00:03:18,980 --> 00:03:35,520 In 2008, taking a Caribbean sea change, McAfee bought this beach home on the tourist enclave of Ambergris Cay in Belize. 44 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:42,660 His behaviour there wasn't what the locals were used to. 45 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:49,320 Armed guards, aggressive dogs, and a steady stream of teenage girls sharing his bed. 46 00:03:54,180 --> 00:04:02,620 Then in November last year, his near neighbour, Greg Fall, a 52-year-old American retiree, was found dead in his home. 47 00:04:03,100 --> 00:04:05,380 The victim of an execution-style murder. 48 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,560 McAfee instantly became a suspect. 49 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:11,940 I am not charged with anything. 50 00:04:12,660 --> 00:04:14,500 There is not a shred of evidence. 51 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,580 The police themselves have said, we have no evidence against Mr. McAfee. 52 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:19,660 There is nothing. 53 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:30,140 The fact that he went on the run following the murder turned McAfee into a full-time celebrity, 54 00:04:30,580 --> 00:04:33,880 with everyone, including Hollywood, wanting a piece of the action. 55 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:34,760 Take one. 56 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:42,180 He's cashing in, too, selling his life story to a production company, who are making an autobiographical documentary. 57 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:48,900 This, of course, was the result of the hallucinogenic quality of whatever drug he had given me. 58 00:04:53,020 --> 00:05:00,200 McAfee developed a serious drug habit in the 70s and 80s, including while he worked as a programmer at NASA. 59 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:06,120 He even dealt drugs for a while, but says he hasn't touched any for 35 years. 60 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:13,820 To me, he just seems high on life. 61 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Awesome, my friend. 62 00:05:17,620 --> 00:05:18,080 Thank you. 63 00:05:18,460 --> 00:05:19,280 Thank you. 64 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:32,200 He was already rich by the time he sold his company in the early 90s for $100 million. 65 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:39,460 Who knows how much money he has now, although these days, his life is considerably downsized. 66 00:05:42,460 --> 00:05:47,700 He lives in a small rental apartment with only one girlfriend and two dogs. 67 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:54,440 I suppose some people watching this are going to be a little confused and expect you to live in some sort of marble mansion or something. 68 00:05:54,940 --> 00:05:56,500 Well, I live in the safest place. 69 00:05:57,300 --> 00:06:00,880 Right now, you notice we're right on the corner, on the top of the building. 70 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,220 There's no one who can get anywhere close that I cannot see. 71 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,720 Of whom I'm most worried about, I don't have a clue. 72 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,220 I do know that the world knows or thinks that I have money and lots of it. 73 00:06:12,860 --> 00:06:16,300 They perceive me as an old, weak man and an easy target. 74 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,140 For McAfee, it's not about paranoia, but about being prepared. 75 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,180 But he's the first to admit that without being a little paranoid, 76 00:06:29,180 --> 00:06:33,240 he would never have thought up the idea for his anti-virus software. 77 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Have you always carried guns, even in, you know, 30 years ago? 78 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:41,540 Since I started McAfee, of course I carry guns. 79 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:42,580 Everywhere. 80 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:47,680 The thought is that if we kidnap him, cut off his ear and send it to his wife or his company or somebody, 81 00:06:48,020 --> 00:06:51,100 someone's going to give us a few million bucks, just let him go. 82 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:54,200 His security detail are ready for anything. 83 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:03,620 Mini 14, Ruger, and then I got my noisy cricket, close and personal, it's my backup. 84 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,860 And what, you've used these things before? 85 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,600 If I have to. 86 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:15,680 This is an ex-cop, this is ex-military, I'm an ex-programmer. 87 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:21,560 Who are you most worried about here in Portland? 88 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,620 I mean, it's a quiet place, it's a long way from, you know, it's not a particularly dangerous city. 89 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:29,460 Well, you know, what is a dangerous city? 90 00:07:29,580 --> 00:07:30,700 A dangerous to whom? 91 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,380 Probably not dangerous to you. 92 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,780 Bill Gates, who lives in a far safer city, 93 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:40,400 surrounds himself with hundreds of security people who are highly armed and very aggressive. 94 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:44,360 You know, we read in a paper yesterday where his people attacked some journalists 95 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,400 that got too close to him. 96 00:07:46,980 --> 00:07:47,900 You know, is he paranoid? 97 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:49,860 And he lives in a far safer city than this. 98 00:07:51,740 --> 00:07:55,960 McAfee's girlfriend, Janice Dyson, is a former stripper and prostitute. 99 00:07:56,620 --> 00:07:58,620 They first met in Miami. 100 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,640 He was visiting from Belize. 101 00:08:03,260 --> 00:08:05,040 And I met him on South Beach. 102 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,740 He was at the news cafe having a cup of coffee. 103 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,060 And I'd walk by with my girlfriend. 104 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,020 And when he saw my butt, he said that he just had to know who I was. 105 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:20,800 And so he told me I had the finest ass in Miami, which... 106 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,360 Quite a compliment. 107 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:22,500 Quite a compliment. 108 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,220 It's very true. 109 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,020 Very true. 110 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,260 So you saw him as a potential client? 111 00:08:26,260 --> 00:08:28,020 Yes, a potential client. 112 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:38,020 I've come to Belize to find out more about John McAfee's life here. 113 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Below is the idyllic Ambergris Cay, 114 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:46,120 an island which flanks the world's second largest barrier reef. 115 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,740 That's where McAfee bought his beach house. 116 00:08:50,140 --> 00:09:01,420 But I'm travelling to another property he bought on the mainland near Orange Walk, the second biggest city in Belize, with a population of 14,000 people, on the fringes of the jungle. 117 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:15,840 It was here that he set up his laboratory, apparently with big plans to make medicines from the native plants, and who knows, maybe even discover the world's next wonder drug. 118 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:24,120 My guide to the now deserted compound is one of his former girlfriends, Samantha Vanegas. 119 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,620 She lives next door in a house that he gave her, after she started working for him. 120 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:29,980 Which one's the lab? 121 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:31,200 The green building. 122 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,000 I used to work at his lab first before me, and he started messing around. 123 00:09:37,380 --> 00:09:40,100 I know a little bit about doing the medicine. 124 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,800 Right over here there was like a big long table with, you know, science stuff. 125 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:53,820 And then over here there were the measuring machines and the blender and all of this stuff. 126 00:09:53,820 --> 00:09:55,580 It's not much in here. 127 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,000 So what were you actually researching in that laboratory? 128 00:09:59,220 --> 00:10:03,420 Yeah, antibiotics, and based on a new science called quorum sensing. 129 00:10:03,940 --> 00:10:05,240 Very, very exciting field. 130 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:07,960 What do you know about that? Where's your expertise in that field? 131 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,380 I have none whatsoever, but I have a great interest in it. 132 00:10:11,340 --> 00:10:16,640 When he needed a break from tinkering in the lab, McAfee used to visit this bar in town. 133 00:10:17,140 --> 00:10:20,700 But he wasn't here for the beer, or the sophisticated atmosphere. 134 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:24,120 It was the readily available young girls he was after. 135 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,500 And the owner helped him find them. 136 00:10:27,140 --> 00:10:33,220 Well, I was the one, you know, that had Jan meeting a lot of beautiful girls. 137 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,780 Excuse my question, but are you a pimp? 138 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:37,740 Not really. 139 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:42,700 When Jan always comes to see me, I tell Jan, Jan, which one of these girls do you like? 140 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:46,660 You say the word, I put it in the plane, yes. 141 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:53,060 You say the word, I put it in the plane, yes. 142 00:10:53,060 --> 00:10:54,060 I put it in the plane, yes. 143 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:57,020 McAfee would then have the girls flown over to his beach house. 144 00:10:57,620 --> 00:10:59,500 He settled on seven favourites. 145 00:10:59,980 --> 00:11:04,000 Was I really living with seven women in Belize? 146 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Now, that's a tricky one. 147 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,880 There were, in fact, days when all seven were present. 148 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,860 These are the seven women. 149 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:20,180 From left, Amy 2, Amy 1, Marcia, Angie, Timisha, Zyra, and Dear Samantha. 150 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:26,700 Dear Samantha remembers her relationship with McAfee as torrid and, well, tiring. 151 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:30,520 His sex has to last long. 152 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,700 I mean, you can't give him one hour, two hours. 153 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:36,440 He wants, like, morning to day. 154 00:11:36,740 --> 00:11:42,480 I mean, like, you have to be in that bed from morning till the next day. 155 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:47,000 And if you can continue till seven days, that's sex for him. 156 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,300 Another common question is, did these women really try to kill me? 157 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,660 Well, not all of them, of course. 158 00:11:52,940 --> 00:11:55,420 In fact, fewer than 50% tried to kill me. 159 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,320 But you did try to, what, shoot him in the head, right? 160 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,300 I did. 161 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:00,360 And why? 162 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:06,560 Because I was jealous and tired of him, I guess. 163 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:14,620 I also tried to cut his throat, but he just said, he just leaned against the wall and said, do it. 164 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:15,560 I was angry. 165 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:18,120 And let's include her second attempt in here, too. 166 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:18,380 I was ready to shoot him. 167 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,840 And for some reason I missed. 168 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:20,920 You tried to shoot him? 169 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:21,340 Uh-huh. 170 00:12:21,340 --> 00:12:34,020 I'm still deaf in my left ear from a gunshot fired at close range when Amy tried to shoot me in the head. 171 00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:41,760 Amy Emshwiler was only 16 when she moved into McAfee's beach house. 172 00:12:42,340 --> 00:12:45,660 That's her to the left of McAfee in this photo taken on his jetty. 173 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:48,360 And that's Samantha on the other side. 174 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,460 McAfee believes she also tried to kill him. 175 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:56,200 I was fed up of him doing stuff to me and I don't do anything. 176 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,380 And I just picked up the gun and said, I'm going to kill you. 177 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:01,400 And he took it as a threat. 178 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,620 The color of his eyes, which are kind of, uh... 179 00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:07,920 There was a witness to the madness at McAfee's beach house. 180 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,440 He'd invited an American cartoonist to Belize to produce a comic book about his life. 181 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,340 Chad Esley struggled to find any humor in the situation. 182 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,740 The situation there was kind of tense. 183 00:13:20,740 --> 00:13:28,240 Uh, with some of the people he was surrounding himself with or people who were moving against him in some way. 184 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,920 And it wasn't very funny to me. 185 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:38,460 It was, uh, there was, uh, there, I think there were a few dangers there that were, it was just not a, it was not a good, it was not a good scene. 186 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:43,020 One chapter recreates the night Amy tried to kill McAfee. 187 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:44,440 But I closed my eyes. 188 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:48,580 Maybe I didn't want to see the shooting because by then maybe I'd actually grown to like him. 189 00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:51,380 So that's a little teaser. 190 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Why do you think she tried to kill him? 191 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,440 Um, I think just for the gangs, for money. 192 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:58,520 I think just for money. 193 00:13:58,780 --> 00:13:59,160 Really? 194 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:06,820 I, I think it must have been either a, like a lover's spat or money or both or gang stuff. 195 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:07,940 They fought a lot. 196 00:14:07,940 --> 00:14:16,300 It was either generosity or self-interest that prompted McAfee to donate masses of equipment to the Belizean police. 197 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,860 Guns, handcuffs, tasers, pepper spray, batons. 198 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:24,780 Back in Orange Walk, he even built them a police station. 199 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:27,420 I bought a number of fully automatic weapons. 200 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:36,000 Um, when they used to, used to drive by my house in their trucks, they would take their automatic weapons and do like, you know, shake, shake a bar, you know. 201 00:14:36,540 --> 00:14:38,880 Uh, like, yeah, yeah, you know, like, thank you. 202 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Uh, they felt empowered. 203 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:49,300 But McAfee was ruffling feathers by employing thugs and ex-criminals for his security team. 204 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:55,440 He'd appointed himself as a crime fighter to chase off the local drug dealers and had some success. 205 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,820 But he says his troubles began when he refused to pay a large bribe to a senior politician. 206 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,940 There were probably a million dollars a year or two million a year out of his pocket when, when I threw the drug dealers out. 207 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:13,400 So, um, in his mind, it was simply, you owe it to me. 208 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:14,240 And what happened next? 209 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:19,140 Um, he went away and I thought, cool, that's the end of that thing. 210 00:15:19,340 --> 00:15:23,180 And then a week later, I was raided by 42 armed soldiers. 211 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:30,040 McAfee believes it was payback by the politician when his compound was raided in April last year. 212 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,540 On suspicion, he was making illegal drugs in his lab. 213 00:15:33,540 --> 00:15:42,560 If I came out naked with a handgun, I laid mine down as soon as I saw the, the soldiers marching in for, in formation down my driveway. 214 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:48,240 Um, I, I put my pants on, went back outside before I could even get outside the door. 215 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,880 I was grabbed, thrown up against the wall. 216 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,460 A piece of paper was shoved in my face. 217 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,600 You know, this is the warrant. 218 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,720 Um, and the day was pretty much a nightmare. 219 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,940 He tells me they held him for hours in handcuffs and shot his dog in front of his eyes. 220 00:16:03,740 --> 00:16:08,740 Whether or not they really believed McAfee was producing illegal drugs, they found nothing. 221 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Half the town had worked for me at one point in time or other and, and worked in the lab collecting flowers and processing antibiotics. 222 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,720 So, um, it was, everybody knew I wasn't doing that. 223 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,140 But they had to have some legal reason to raid me. 224 00:16:25,140 --> 00:16:29,320 McAfee was arrested on weapons charges, but then released. 225 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,520 But he's still seething at the injustice and has been complaining about it ever since. 226 00:16:34,780 --> 00:16:35,880 This will blow over you. 227 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:36,900 I'm not going to fucking be quiet. 228 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,920 You shot my fucking dog. 229 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,820 You destroyed my fucking property. 230 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,220 And you tortured me. 231 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:46,020 I am not going to shut the fuck up. 232 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:52,620 He returned to his beach house on the island and continued his tirade against the Belizean government. 233 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:59,420 Then, four months after the raid on his lab, the murder of Greg Fall shocked the island. 234 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:09,580 The American expatriate lived three houses down from McAfee and had to walk past his armed guards and dogs to get to a bar further along the beach. 235 00:17:09,580 --> 00:17:13,460 The dogs were noisy and intimidating. 236 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:19,720 Fall made a formal complaint to the council and told anyone who would listen that he was going to poison them. 237 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:22,020 We didn't have a relationship. 238 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,140 In five years, I spoke less than 50 words to this man. 239 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,520 None of them were bad words. 240 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:30,900 In the last couple of months, I did speak to him twice. 241 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:34,580 And both times, he said, you've got to do something about your dogs. 242 00:17:34,660 --> 00:17:35,720 I go, I agree. 243 00:17:35,980 --> 00:17:38,680 They're annoying me too and I'm trying everything I can do. 244 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,480 Then one night in November last year, some of McAfee's dogs were poisoned. 245 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,540 When his guards discovered them dying, he says he shot them to put them out of their misery. 246 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:55,380 A day later, Greg Fall was killed in his home with a single bullet to the back of the head. 247 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:58,840 Many Belizeans believe McAfee was responsible. 248 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:00,520 Did you kill your neighbor? 249 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:02,760 Let me make this perfectly clear. 250 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,400 I had nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Gregory Fall. 251 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:08,180 Nothing. 252 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,080 I mean, and it's not something that could ever possibly enter my mind. 253 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:23,940 It is my belief that agents or subsidiaries or affiliates of Mr. McAfee were involved in Mr. Fall's undoing. 254 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:26,060 There's no one else who's interested in doing it. 255 00:18:27,180 --> 00:18:31,860 Belizean journalist Jules Vasquez covers a lot of stories about gang violence. 256 00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:33,700 But he says this was different. 257 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,520 We have a lot of crime in Belize. 258 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:36,660 We have a lot of murders. 259 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:44,620 But that crime did not fit in with any recognisable type of crime. 260 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:52,320 I suppose many people believe or think that you did do it because of the timing of the poisoning of the dogs 261 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,220 and then you're escaping the next day. 262 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:55,380 Right, okay. 263 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:57,020 But those people aren't thinking. 264 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:04,600 I mean, if I were a moron, a total blithering idiot, then maybe, 265 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:07,340 and if I had the inclination to murder someone, 266 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,780 I would shoot them or whatever happened the day after they did something to me. 267 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:12,880 I am not. 268 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,080 I mean, get real. 269 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:22,700 If in fact I was intent on revenge, I would hope that I would have enough sense to wait six months. 270 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,180 The next fucking day? 271 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,540 I am, please give me some credit. 272 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:37,040 Here is McAfee on the run, travelling with his entourage, 273 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,520 including one of his girlfriends, Samantha Venegas. 274 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,340 McAfee didn't stick around to be questioned about the murder. 275 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,580 Instead, he invited a film crew from Vice magazine 276 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:50,420 to document his flight from Belize to Guatemala. 277 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,560 They had amazing access to him while he was on the run and hiding out. 278 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,180 And a feature documentary is coming soon. 279 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:00,680 Unfortunately for McAfee, 280 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,080 Vice magazine accidentally gave away their location 281 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,720 with GPS data encoded in a photo they published. 282 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:13,060 McAfee was detained for illegally entering Guatemala, 283 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,940 then feigned a heart attack 284 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:18,420 and managed to get himself deported back to the United States. 285 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:18,840 Everybody out. 286 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,560 You guys have to get everybody out. 287 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:21,580 Everybody out of here. 288 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:25,200 While the media focused attention on the McAfee circus, 289 00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:28,160 the other character in the drama was overlooked. 290 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Hello, Mr Fall. 291 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Yes, hello. 292 00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:33,360 I've come to Jacksonville, Florida, 293 00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:35,700 to meet Greg Fall's father, Arthur. 294 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,900 We had visited Greg in October, 295 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:41,100 just exactly a month before his murder, 296 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,800 and this picture was taken the day that we left Belize 297 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,960 to come back to the States. 298 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,660 As far as I know, it's the last picture taken of Greg. 299 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:51,160 Greg, we did an awful lot together, 300 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:55,040 and it's a terrible loss, just a terrible loss. 301 00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:58,060 Do you believe that McAfee was involved? 302 00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:59,900 You're convinced that McAfee was involved? 303 00:21:00,620 --> 00:21:03,960 Not entirely, but why would he run? 304 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,340 Why did he not answer the questions? 305 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:10,020 And if he has nothing to hide, why doesn't he speak? 306 00:21:10,340 --> 00:21:15,320 It's very frustrating to find that he gets all the attention, 307 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:21,280 and my son's kind of a prop for his infamy. 308 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:25,100 Police say McAfee is still a person of interest, 309 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,940 and the case is still open. 310 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:29,900 We'd like to know his whereabouts that night, 311 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,360 where he was, and to confirm his alibi if he has one. 312 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,420 Do you think John killed Greg Fall? 313 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:37,080 No. 314 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,440 I know for a fact he didn't kill him. 315 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,560 How do you know for a fact? 316 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,460 Because he was with me that night when that incident happened, 317 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,700 and he was right there the whole night with me 318 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,920 till the morning, and he never left my side. 319 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:52,040 So I know that he didn't kill that guy. 320 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,640 So if John McAfee didn't kill Greg Fall, who did? 321 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,320 One of your girlfriends, for example, 322 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,780 tried to kill you a few times, 323 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,960 so, I mean, it could have been her, couldn't it? 324 00:22:02,340 --> 00:22:05,400 More than one of my girlfriends tried to kill me a few times. 325 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,640 Could have been one of them, couldn't it? 326 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:09,740 I mean, it could have been anybody. 327 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:11,240 These are just the facts. 328 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,040 The fact that you tried to kill John McAfee a couple of times 329 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,820 makes you look kind of like a volatile person. 330 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:20,900 Maybe I am. I don't know. 331 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:25,580 Yeah, and then that kind of leads you to question 332 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:28,520 whether you were somehow involved in the murder of Greg Fall. 333 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:31,060 Sure it does. 334 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,840 But I didn't. 335 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:37,700 Have you heard other people saying that? 336 00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:39,580 Suspecting that you had something to do with it? 337 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:39,980 Yes. 338 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,200 Are there Belizeans or foreigners? 339 00:22:43,420 --> 00:22:45,900 Foreigners. And Belizeans do. 340 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,580 And what, it doesn't bother you? 341 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:49,920 No. 342 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:54,320 She says she was nowhere near Fall's house on the night of the murder. 343 00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:58,900 But considering her own beloved dog was amongst the animals poisoned that night, 344 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,780 it's surprising that police never questioned her. 345 00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:04,540 Did the police ever talk to you, interview you? 346 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,280 No. 347 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:05,980 Really? 348 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:08,900 No, they never did because I wasn't here. 349 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:09,880 Okay. 350 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:14,660 It does seem odd to me that they wouldn't have wanted to talk to you because you would want to... 351 00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:22,500 I heard they wanted to talk to me, but John gave me money and whatnot to go to Guatemala 352 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,200 and I stayed there for a while. 353 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240 I never came to the island. 354 00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:27,760 And why was that? 355 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,180 Why? 356 00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:29,580 Yeah. 357 00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:33,720 Because I didn't want anybody to question me or lock me up for no reason. 358 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,140 And I guess John didn't want that too, so... 359 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:44,380 Arthur Fall has asked his government to help find his son's killer, but all they could offer was this letter. 360 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:50,780 Traditionally, Belize has a poor record of properly investigating unsolved cases, 361 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,000 and these cases rarely brought to a successful conclusion. 362 00:23:56,180 --> 00:24:02,920 And that's signed by the Vice Consul of the American Citizen Service, the U.S. Embassy in Belmapan, Belize, 363 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:08,220 which doesn't give me any warm, fuzzy feelings about our government. 364 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:14,620 John McAfee has now put his Belizean problems well behind him, 365 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:18,400 and he's settling back into a relatively normal, carefree life. 366 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:22,320 Today, he's test-driving a boat he wants to buy. 367 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,040 Hey, Janice, honey, come up here. 368 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,200 We're right here, babe. 369 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:26,740 I know, I want to show you the four-deck. 370 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,860 If someone came and wrote you a check or brought you a suitcase full of cash, 371 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:32,260 what would be your bottom price? 372 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:34,580 Less than $69. 373 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:35,580 Okay, well, that's good. 374 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Good day. 375 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,940 As they settle the deal, he can't resist showing them his latest YouTube video. 376 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,640 I'm surprised you haven't seen it. 377 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,120 Oh, yeah, totally, bitch. 378 00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:47,860 Totally. 379 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,580 So the reason I'm doing these videos is I've got to keep the public interest in me, right? 380 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,760 Well, I can do it by doing any number of things. 381 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,940 Being a bad guy, being a good guy, being a fool, being all three at once, 382 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,500 whatever it takes. 383 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:08,560 I like it. 384 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:13,960 His only real concern these days seems to be finding new props for his videos 385 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,640 in what seems to be an endless quest to shock and attract attention. 386 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,620 The eight women's t-shirts are for the ladies in the video. 387 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,660 The scene will open with me having sex with a sheep. 388 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:32,460 His principal defect, I believe, is extreme narcissism. 389 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:34,200 There's probably a psychiatric term for it. 390 00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:36,040 And he's a famed whore. 391 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:41,540 And the rush of celebrity has engorged his ego so greatly 392 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:44,340 that it's like a high that he can't come down from. 393 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:52,580 It is obviously the work of someone who has a serious attention-seeking disorder. 394 00:25:52,580 --> 00:26:05,160 The bizarre life and times of John McAfee. 395 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,680 David O'Shea reporting. 396 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,060 Well, there's an interview with David online 397 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:14,260 with insight on what it was like spending time in McAfee's decidedly weird world. 398 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,480 And follow the links to see more from the man himself in his YouTube videos. 399 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,900 Go to sbs.com.au slash dateline.