1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,960 On Blue Light, you remember MDPB10, yes? 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,260 I had more hiding places around that property and on San Pedro than you could possibly imagine. 3 00:00:08,460 --> 00:00:10,600 The press is notoriously inaccurate. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Our first product is a product called D-Central. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,180 I used to sell drugs because if you take enough drugs, the only way you can support your habit is to sell to others. 6 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:25,960 If you are a marijuana smoker, I would vastly prefer you switch to heroin. 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,600 Portland is great. The model of the city is keep Portland weird, and I'm doing my part. 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,660 This is a big group. 9 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:33,980 Yeah, please do that. 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:49,700 I thought about it, and I think we should just cut to the sex done since we're out of 20. 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,660 That's fine with me. Whatever people want to hear. 12 00:00:52,660 --> 00:01:00,880 I've dreamed of retiring since I was 16, but retiring is nearly impossible for me. 13 00:01:01,060 --> 00:01:04,700 I enjoy fishing and snorkeling, and that's what I want to do with my life. 14 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:11,300 But I moved to Belize, and the first day I'm snorkeling out by the reef, I'm thinking about, you know, we need a boat system up here. 15 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,880 There's this group, and many of you here may even be on it, called Blue Light. 16 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,700 If there are some drug aficionados in the room, raise your hands if you don't have Blue Light. 17 00:01:20,020 --> 00:01:20,340 What? 18 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:24,700 And the lady at that. All right. Marvelous. 19 00:01:25,060 --> 00:01:34,920 So, well, Blue Light is the number one drug form on the planet, and it's composed of very intelligent, well-educated people, 20 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,060 many of them chemists. 21 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:42,540 Others are doctors and psychiatrists, and they have this incredible attitude that we should all be taking drugs. 22 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:44,400 Well, I don't think you want to take drugs. 23 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:46,840 And I had a bet with a friend. 24 00:01:47,380 --> 00:01:50,460 What I did is I created, okay, there was this drug. 25 00:01:50,780 --> 00:01:54,060 On Blue Light, you remember MDPB10, yes? 26 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,280 Sure. 27 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,360 The mythical drug that did everything. 28 00:01:57,540 --> 00:01:59,280 It made you a sexual god. 29 00:01:59,380 --> 00:02:00,340 It made you live forever. 30 00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:04,480 It gave you energy that you could go for 50 weeks without sleeping, and you gained weight. 31 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:06,420 And it was just marvelous stuff. 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:07,980 But it was fake. 33 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:10,840 It was just a ruse created by a couple of British gentlemen. 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,920 But no one really believed that it was a ruse, and for years. 35 00:02:15,020 --> 00:02:18,380 This was about 12 years ago that this mythical drug rose up. 36 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:24,120 So I went online, and as a member called Stuffmonger, I didn't give my name, 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:31,280 I gave the formula for recreating MDPB10 and invited everybody to recreate it themselves. 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:38,820 And for three months, these highly intelligent people were dicking around with stove ovens and baking soda 39 00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:42,100 and kitchen utensils doing absolutely nothing. 40 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:43,960 And I just had the laugh of my life. 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,680 I was naked carrying a gun. 42 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,500 I saw what was happening. 43 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:47,520 I put my gun down. 44 00:02:48,060 --> 00:02:49,360 I was thrown up against the wall. 45 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Handcuffed. 46 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:51,740 Made to sit. 47 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:55,400 They let me put some pants on, by the way, to have a politeness to the women in the crowd. 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,720 There's no fun to look at a naked 68-year-old man, I can promise you. 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:06,280 So they kept me handcuffed in the sun for 14 hours, kneeling with my hands behind my back. 50 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:07,420 A very painful thing. 51 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,500 I did not recommend it for anyone, even those who are at the heavy S&M amongst you. 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:12,560 It's not right. 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,880 So, and then left without any charges. 54 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:17,640 Why? 55 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:22,660 Two weeks earlier, the local politician, by the way, I lived on the island of San Pedro, 56 00:03:22,780 --> 00:03:24,020 which is a marvelous place. 57 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,400 All the tourists go there. 58 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:26,620 It's just like America. 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:27,580 Speak English. 60 00:03:28,220 --> 00:03:28,940 Everybody's white. 61 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:32,940 I moved to the interior, the only white man in a town of 10,000 people. 62 00:03:33,620 --> 00:03:37,140 And I moved into the backyard of the most powerful man in Belize. 63 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,700 After I'd been there for a year, a representative came and said, why don't you donate $2 million 64 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:48,740 to my patron's campaign, and in return, we'll give you all this land and benefits and so on. 65 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:49,820 And I said, no. 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,900 They raided my property two weeks later, came back two weeks after that, and said, have you changed your mind? 67 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,640 And I said, yes. 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,180 I'm pissed off now. 69 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:04,740 And so I went to the international press, and that was in May of 2012. 70 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:11,280 And for eight months, I ran an ongoing war with the Belizean government, demanding an apology, at the very least, 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:17,180 and getting the attention of the world government on the corruption and all the nightmares that were happening. 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:24,280 I should have listened to my compatriot Americans and say, stay in San Pedro, fish, surf, and snorkel. 73 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:25,780 I did not. 74 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,340 And then there was the neighbor. 75 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,840 The death of my neighbor, Mr. Fall, who I barely knew. 76 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:37,200 And that was a convenient thing for the, by the way, there, not to make light of Mr. Fall's death, 77 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,340 it is, Belize is one of the most dangerous countries in the world, 78 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,440 and it's called the murder capital of the world by many organizations, 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,480 because the per capita death rate is the highest of any country in the world. 80 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,020 I barely knew Mr. Fall. 81 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,580 It was a convenient thing for the Belizean government to try to pick me up for questioning, 82 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:59,560 because in Belize, you may hold someone for questioning for 60 days with no charges, 83 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,840 and you may renew that indefinitely. 84 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,460 So I could have been 60 years waiting to be questioned. 85 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,380 I chose not to go that route, and I went on the route. 86 00:05:08,380 --> 00:05:13,740 Why didn't you try to get a U.S. attorney or someone to help you out? 87 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,340 Well, you're assuming that the legal system in the rest of the world is much like here in the States, 88 00:05:19,340 --> 00:05:21,440 where a court order has bite. 89 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:22,920 Let me give you an example. 90 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,560 The telephone company in Belize was nationalized three years ago by the Belizean government. 91 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,620 The company had been owned by a gentleman named Lord Ashcroft. 92 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:33,760 Lord Ashcroft went to court. 93 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:36,360 The appeals court said, hey, give it back. 94 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:39,240 The prime minister, instead of giving it back, 95 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,080 sent the army into the telephone headquarters and prevented the employees from coming back. 96 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:45,240 There's no law there. 97 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,660 Why hire a lawyer? 98 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,220 Why pay the lawyer to end up saying, gee, I can't do anything for you? 99 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:52,960 You know, you suffer your losses in life. 100 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,480 You know, you take what comes and move on. 101 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,140 That's what I did. 102 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,720 So you already had the attention of the international press. 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,880 You decided to run. 104 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,840 Tell me about that. 105 00:06:03,980 --> 00:06:07,740 What was the, did you have an idea of what you were going to do? 106 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:10,620 Did you have a plan, or did you just kind of move out? 107 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:13,420 Well, I just moved out. 108 00:06:13,620 --> 00:06:15,340 I mean, I left. 109 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:18,120 I was planning to leave alone, and one of the women I was living with said, 110 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,460 you're not going without me. 111 00:06:20,220 --> 00:06:21,260 That was Sam. 112 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:23,220 That was Samantha, the vicious little girl. 113 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:27,580 And so, you know, rather than have Sam and the army after me, I took her with me. 114 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,280 It was a wise choice. 115 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,940 I felt my life was in danger, and I'm convinced it was. 116 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,640 I had every single day written notices to some press somewhere. 117 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:45,280 I had started a blog, and it had devastated the tourist industry in Belize. 118 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,580 Tourism accounted for 70% of the Belizean gross national product. 119 00:06:49,820 --> 00:06:52,640 It dropped by 50% after I started my blog. 120 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:54,300 They just wanted me out of the way. 121 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:58,180 So, call that paranoia, call it not, I don't care. 122 00:06:58,280 --> 00:06:59,640 It's what was actually happening. 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,020 The, okay, the diversion tactic. 124 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,400 All of the borders had, I was the number one, every single army officer and soldier 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,460 and every policeman in the country had my photograph. 126 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:15,660 And there was a bounty. 127 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,820 And they had blocked all of the borders. 128 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,080 However, the Belizeans, you know, are just very strange people. 129 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:28,400 They tend to hire, for example, a policeman gets $42 a month, U.S. 130 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:35,620 Now, from that, he's got to feed his family, send his children to school, pay his rent, and so on. 131 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:37,000 It is not much money. 132 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,820 So, not the smartest people take those jobs. 133 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,820 The net result of all of that, from a U.S. point of view, from a press point of view, 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,900 from what people were reading in the newspapers and seeing on TV, 135 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:52,380 was John has gone off the deep end. 136 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:55,580 John is doing all these deceptive things. 137 00:07:55,580 --> 00:07:57,660 John has all these girlfriends. 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,780 John's been dabbling in drugs. 139 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,460 We don't know who this guy is anymore. 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Do you feel, do you sort of feel bad about how much your persona changed through that experience? 141 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Well, that was my persona as viewed through the press and as those who read the press and believe it. 142 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,640 The press is notoriously inaccurate. 143 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,560 Now, let me do a demonstration for you. 144 00:08:23,140 --> 00:08:25,360 May I ask for honesty from you folks? 145 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,540 We're just two minutes? 146 00:08:27,380 --> 00:08:33,740 I'd like to see a raising of hands for those of you who have at any time in your life been divorced. 147 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,800 Now, leave your hands up for just a moment, okay? 148 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:44,680 Now, of those of you who have been divorced, at any time, were you unfaithful to your ex-wife or husband? 149 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,900 Leave your hand up if it was. 150 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Five, six, seven, eight. 151 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:50,500 Anybody else? 152 00:08:50,980 --> 00:08:53,000 Some of you put your hands down after you kept them up. 153 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Okay, well, at least eight people. 154 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,660 Well, that's a pretty fair thing. 155 00:08:57,060 --> 00:08:57,960 Let me ask another question. 156 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,860 How many of you people are currently married? 157 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:00,940 Raising hands. 158 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,820 How many of you have actually been unfaithful to your current husband or wife? 159 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:07,620 Nobody. 160 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:09,580 Nobody. 161 00:09:09,580 --> 00:09:14,460 Do you see the statistical impossibility of these two samples? 162 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,200 Now, okay, what is the difference? 163 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:23,780 One is I'm asking you about something that's current, something happening today. 164 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,040 Now, what happened five years ago? 165 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:26,860 You got your hand up. 166 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,120 You're hoping the camera will go on. 167 00:09:28,180 --> 00:09:29,120 You go, yeah, bitch. 168 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:29,440 See? 169 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,140 You know? 170 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,240 But now, no. 171 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,660 You're on the current married wife. 172 00:09:32,820 --> 00:09:34,220 Please do not put the camera on me. 173 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:35,280 And my hand never went up. 174 00:09:36,260 --> 00:09:37,680 Here's the point I'm trying to make. 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,080 The press is consistently concerned with what's happening now. 176 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,240 It is human nature if you work downtown and there was a robbery next door to your work 177 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,040 and a policeman happens by and says, where were you today? 178 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:54,720 You're going to try to find some reason to explain why you could not have done this. 179 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,300 This is just human nature. 180 00:09:56,660 --> 00:10:00,140 And so the press is now saying, what about now and here? 181 00:10:00,340 --> 00:10:01,660 And trying to find truth. 182 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,760 Well, good luck. 183 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,320 So what it says is there's no interest here. 184 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,580 I'd never heard of a computer virus. 185 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,080 And up to that point, I think neither had anyone else. 186 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,660 Not even conceived of one. 187 00:10:11,660 --> 00:10:15,020 I was reading it thinking, what the heck is this? 188 00:10:15,340 --> 00:10:16,140 And then it came to me. 189 00:10:16,220 --> 00:10:17,100 Oh, I know what they did. 190 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,200 I got some code that really replicates itself. 191 00:10:20,540 --> 00:10:20,940 Cool. 192 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:23,260 And as soon as I got that, I got, you know what? 193 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,220 That's easy to fix. 194 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Cool. 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,560 And I wrote a little program. 196 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:28,240 And that was the beginning of McAfee. 197 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:34,820 At some point, all of that money sort of dwindled by press reports. 198 00:10:34,820 --> 00:10:40,860 There's one estimate that said that at your lowest point, your net worth was down to about $4 million. 199 00:10:40,860 --> 00:10:44,220 That may have been due to the recession and so forth. 200 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:45,360 Is that accurate? 201 00:10:46,660 --> 00:10:48,340 Again, I really have no clue. 202 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:50,240 People ask me how much money I have. 203 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:53,120 If someone wandered up to you in the street and said, how much money do you have? 204 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,020 What are you worth? 205 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:56,400 Would you be thrilled or offended? 206 00:10:56,580 --> 00:10:57,360 Or what would you feel? 207 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,200 Well, you know, most people would be offended. 208 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:00,840 And I'm like most people. 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,300 Excuse me. 210 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,880 I'm looking at what I'm looking for. 211 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:06,640 I'm very much like most people. 212 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,860 And really, it's nobody's business. 213 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,460 So the numbers that I throw out are numbers that I just randomly feel like throwing out. 214 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 If the number four looks good today, I'll say I'm worth $4 million. 215 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:23,940 You know, if the number 44 was the first two numbers, the lottery winner yesterday, I'll say, well, $44 million. 216 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:25,440 It's meaningless. 217 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,000 I believe nothing I say when it comes to my worth. 218 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,200 It is no one's business but mine. 219 00:11:30,660 --> 00:11:40,120 And so while you were, I think, in Guatemala even, there were a couple of different people trying to get you to sign contracts for doing movies and so forth. 220 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:40,520 You bet. 221 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,120 Where does that stand now? 222 00:11:43,380 --> 00:11:48,820 Well, you see, Warner Brothers just announced they had hired the screenwriters for their movie, On My Life. 223 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:50,840 And I think that's based on Josh Davis' book. 224 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,960 Not one of my favorite people. 225 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:55,000 Josh has done nothing but write about me for years. 226 00:11:55,180 --> 00:11:56,780 And it's sort of tragic in my mind. 227 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,200 But in any case, the other one is by Future Impact Media in Montreal, Canada. 228 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:05,860 Their screenplay is already finished. 229 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:08,280 And I think it's a really spectacular project. 230 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,880 That will be coming out in about a year. 231 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:19,180 There's also a feature-length documentary that the BBC has done, which, unfortunately, I had to sit still for it for about 14 days while they interviewed me. 232 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:20,800 But that's all over here. 233 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,240 And that should be coming out in March of next year. 234 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:26,420 And the one in Montreal, you're actually participating in? 235 00:12:26,420 --> 00:12:27,540 I'm helping them. 236 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:28,580 They're nice people. 237 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Okay. 238 00:12:29,980 --> 00:12:32,040 The French Canadians, they're real people. 239 00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:32,580 I like that. 240 00:12:32,740 --> 00:12:34,240 Warren Brothers, I won't even talk to them. 241 00:12:34,580 --> 00:12:38,860 Back in technology, which I really can't seem to escape, a company called Future Tense. 242 00:12:38,860 --> 00:12:43,560 Our first product is a product called D-Central. 243 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,600 I think we have, did France want to put our website together? 244 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,120 I'm not sure. 245 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,140 We have a website, which doesn't say much. 246 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,260 It's a sort of little teaser called, I think, FutureTenseCentral.com. 247 00:12:56,260 --> 00:13:01,920 But the product, you know, I've been thinking about this product for years. 248 00:13:02,180 --> 00:13:07,860 I can't get out of security, and for some reason it's part of my brain, part of my thinking. 249 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,880 And we don't have much anymore. 250 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,980 I mean, certainly not in the online world. 251 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:21,660 The NSA helped create every single encryption algorithm that we use, and therefore can get access to whatever they want. 252 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:28,400 I'm 68 years old, and if you can just give me, you know, any small amount of information about yourself, 253 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:34,380 I promise you, within three days, I can turn on the camera on your computer at home and watch you do whatever you're doing, 254 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,140 provided you're still connected to the net. 255 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,400 Well, if I can do it, any idiot can do it. 256 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:43,140 We live in a very insecure world with a very insecure communication platform. 257 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:50,560 You can create a private network so that you and all of your close friends that live in your local area can communicate, 258 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:51,940 and they know who you are. 259 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:57,880 It also has a public aspect, in which case you drop all the files and information in there 260 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,960 that you, as a good citizen, might wish to share with anybody. 261 00:14:01,220 --> 00:14:05,120 I don't know the latest MP3 that you have, which you really like and you would like to share. 262 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,320 A picture of some girl you think is cute. 263 00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:09,260 We don't really care about it. 264 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:11,380 You drop it in that public area. 265 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:13,800 Now, it has no screen. 266 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,840 It's just a little round little thing that drops wherever you want it, 267 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,560 and it communicates with your iPhone, with your Android, with your tablet, with your laptop. 268 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:23,380 We don't care which. 269 00:14:23,460 --> 00:14:24,860 We have apps for each of these. 270 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:29,560 And in the morning, you wake up and you open your app and say, 271 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,120 you know, I'm really interested in hearing the latest thing from whatever, 272 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,580 techno music or rap or whatever you have an interest in, 273 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,200 and you list off the things you might like, and you forget about it. 274 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,280 You go outside, and the device is localized. 275 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,340 It has a range of about three blocks in the city and a quarter of a mile in the country. 276 00:14:48,180 --> 00:14:52,820 And so everyone within three blocks is communicating with everyone else within three blocks. 277 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,540 But keep in mind, everybody's in a different location, 278 00:14:55,700 --> 00:14:59,100 so everybody's local network is completely unique to themselves. 279 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:04,020 And it changes as you move or as people move in and out of your local area. 280 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,620 Now, so you've asked for a specific file. 281 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,400 If you're on a college campus, you'll probably get responses within, you know, a quarter of a second. 282 00:15:14,420 --> 00:15:18,300 If you're, you know, out on the road somewhere in a very, you know, sparse area, 283 00:15:18,420 --> 00:15:20,700 it may take you minutes or hours to get a response. 284 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,460 But you don't even know who's responding. 285 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,880 You're walking by. 286 00:15:23,980 --> 00:15:25,880 The devices are communicating with one another. 287 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,640 And one of them says, oh, you've got, you want that file. 288 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:29,220 Well, here it is. 289 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,200 It doesn't even ask who you are. 290 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,840 It doesn't know who you are. 291 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,060 There is no unique identifier to your device that is constant. 292 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,700 Every few minutes, it changes its identification. 293 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,880 It is impossible to even know where it came from or who it went to. 294 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:49,260 When you're on your private network, there's a name attached or an ID. 295 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,460 But even then, everything is encrypted as for the public network. 296 00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:58,220 Since the networks are invisible to each other and in constant flux, 297 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,460 there is simply no way to tell who is doing what, when, or where. 298 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:08,220 We have, and this is the very basic level. 299 00:16:08,540 --> 00:16:09,740 We, of course, have other levels. 300 00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:10,620 We do have nodes. 301 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:14,020 In every city, there will be three or four nodes that will connect to the Internet. 302 00:16:14,020 --> 00:16:18,460 But the Internet, let's say, you're communicating with someone in Denver, 303 00:16:18,860 --> 00:16:24,200 the only visible part will be the encrypted communication between San Jose and Denver. 304 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,440 When it reaches Denver, it goes into the void again. 305 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,760 I would say we are six months out from our first prototype. 306 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,160 Okay. 307 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,040 We actually have a countdown, I think, on our website. 308 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:36,900 Do we not? 309 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:37,320 We do. 310 00:16:37,460 --> 00:16:37,620 No. 311 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,660 So, apparently, we do have a schedule. 312 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:42,200 I believe that everyone will eventually want one. 313 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:46,360 Anybody who's concerned about privacy, anyone who's concerned about security. 314 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:49,260 The NSA will not get into it. 315 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,740 The encryption that we have developed is unique. 316 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,660 And the NSA or any other governmental agency has been involved. 317 00:16:55,660 --> 00:17:00,240 So, this is essentially a dark web, right? 318 00:17:00,620 --> 00:17:02,400 A localized dark web. 319 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,360 Do you have... 320 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:11,500 But it connects up by relays to every other localized dark web that has one of our devices. 321 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,080 We made a mistake at the beginning of this whole thing. 322 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,520 We should have encrypted everything. 323 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,540 We should have encrypted hard drives. 324 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,120 We should have encrypted email from the start. 325 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:25,400 Is this somehow a solution to where we are today? 326 00:17:25,660 --> 00:17:29,740 What we should have done can never be a solution to where we are today. 327 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:30,960 These apps are correct. 328 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:31,820 We should have. 329 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:33,040 But we did not. 330 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:35,040 So, therefore, I am doing. 331 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:40,160 Imagine how impossible it would be to escape if enough people, teenagers, 332 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,520 go, I'll catch this guy last night. 333 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:45,160 How will you possibly escape? 334 00:17:45,860 --> 00:17:50,760 At every movement, for five blocks around you, everybody's looking for you. 335 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:54,460 People are looking out windows to see you dodge into this building. 336 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:55,300 When is this building? 337 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Cool. 338 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:57,860 We're all now watching all around it. 339 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:58,860 This is just... 340 00:17:58,860 --> 00:17:59,740 This is one of my favorite things. 341 00:17:59,780 --> 00:18:01,200 Because I want to sign up for it myself. 342 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,660 I can't sleep at night sometimes. 343 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,880 So, there are thousands of applications for this. 344 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:07,520 This is coming. 345 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:08,540 And it cannot be stopped. 346 00:18:08,540 --> 00:18:14,080 Do you have any thoughts more broadly on how this, let's just call it the nascent police 347 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,080 state, how it's going to play out here in the U.S.? 348 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,220 Well, you know, I hope it does not play out like every other nascent police state, which 349 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:26,220 is a total lack of freedom for all of the citizens. 350 00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:28,360 Let's hope it doesn't reach that point. 351 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:35,140 You know, I would say that psychedelics have been extraordinarily influential in my life 352 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:37,880 and extraordinarily horrific at the same time. 353 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,300 You know, I would not advise anyone to drug drugs. 354 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:47,480 And Steve Jobs is one of the fortunate few where acid did, in fact, end up being positive 355 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:47,900 for him. 356 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:51,700 But for every one of those, there are probably ten that still think they're Jesus. 357 00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:54,180 And this is the problem with psychedelics. 358 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:56,100 What's your opinion on marijuana? 359 00:18:57,460 --> 00:18:57,780 Okay. 360 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:00,720 Well, should I tell the truth on this? 361 00:19:02,060 --> 00:19:02,540 All right. 362 00:19:02,540 --> 00:19:08,880 I used to sell drugs because if you take enough drugs, the only way you can support your habit 363 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,820 is to sell to others. 364 00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:12,400 And for many years, I did. 365 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:18,620 By the way, I stopped using all drugs, selling drugs, or accessing drugs a little over 30 years 366 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:18,840 ago. 367 00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:20,700 So, this is not a recent part of my history. 368 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:27,720 However, I did notice that among my clients, I like the pot users the most because their 369 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,740 lives never went anywhere. 370 00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:30,660 They remain customers forever. 371 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,280 And I hate to burst your bubble, but I'll be frank with you now. 372 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:40,080 If you are a marijuana smoker, I would vastly prefer you switch to heroin. 373 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,120 And here's why. 374 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:43,340 Heroin will take you down faster. 375 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,480 And you can then pick yourself up and start your life. 376 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,980 Because marijuana is the drug of illusion. 377 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:56,220 It creates the illusion that you are thinking great thoughts and doing great things while 378 00:19:56,220 --> 00:19:58,360 you are sitting on the sofa growing a beard. 379 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:02,460 Are you getting paid today? 380 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,220 I'm sorry? 381 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:04,660 Are you getting paid today? 382 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:05,680 Well, absolutely not. 383 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,040 You know, I can't get paid to do anything. 384 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,060 Do you like Portland? 385 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:11,880 I'm sorry? 386 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Do you like Portland? 387 00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:13,500 Portland is great. 388 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:17,240 The motto of the city is, keep Portland weird, and I'm doing my part. 389 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,640 Well, I have one legitimate child. 390 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,340 What's your favorite drug? 391 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:25,220 I don't do drugs anymore. 392 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,580 What was your favorite drug? 393 00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:28,500 Well, that's a really tricky one. 394 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,060 See, I was more like a chemist with drugs. 395 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,020 You know, I had to mix things around. 396 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:37,260 But if I just were to choose one drug, I would say mushrooms. 397 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,880 Silocibin is probably as good as it gets. 398 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,140 Can you create any amazing things for us? 399 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,420 I don't think I want to promote use of drugs by saying mix this with that and you'll have 400 00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:51,240 a magical time. 401 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:51,840 Thank you. 402 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,660 Will you go back to police? 403 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,140 You know, no time soon, sir. 404 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,700 If you can rectify your situation. 405 00:21:05,020 --> 00:21:05,440 I'm sorry? 406 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,620 If you can rectify and fix your situation. 407 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,320 But, see, there is no situation to rectify, really. 408 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,800 I'm not charged with anything. 409 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,000 And every reporter who has gone to the Belizean police and asked questions, we say, no, we 410 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,900 have no evidence linking him to the crime. 411 00:21:19,140 --> 00:21:20,360 We really want to talk to him. 412 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,680 So why not go back? 413 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:28,440 Because talking to me involves putting me in jail for 60 days minimum, which is, they 414 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,940 can continue that forever. 415 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,800 It is a renewable 60 days. 416 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,060 There is no law in the country, sir. 417 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:35,700 Nothing to rectify. 418 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:39,040 Well, thank you very much. 419 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:41,100 This has been a great session for Dr. John. 420 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:42,860 Thank you. 421 00:21:42,860 --> 00:21:43,460 Thank you. 422 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,420 Thank you. 423 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:54,860 Thank you. 424 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:55,380 Thank you. 425 00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:56,920 Thank you. 426 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:57,960 Thanks.