1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,080 It is a problem. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,600 Let's switch to Ed Snown, if you don't mind John, 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,840 and I want to talk about him because there's 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,720 a lot of talk whether he is a hack or a hero. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,160 What do you think? 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,400 It depends on which perspective you want to look at, 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,920 Mr. Snowden. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,560 For my perspective, I think he revealed something 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,360 that we all knew. 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,680 I mean, we're being spied on by our government. 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,760 Da, who does not know that? 12 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 I mean, it simply, the Mr. Snowden has 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,120 said, put a quantitative value on it, 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,800 and given the exact means, some of the exact means 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,800 of how that's buying takes place. 16 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,440 To that extent, he's a hero in telling us what we already 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,440 knew and making us have to face that fact. 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,240 The US government probably does not consider 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,240 a hero, Vladimir Putin, the Chinese government. 20 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,400 I think they both consider him heroes. 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,120 He started to lose talent with the intent of getting 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,680 this type of information and then exposing it. 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Now, another similarity you have with him is that you too 24 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,520 worked at Booz Allen. 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,520 I don't, obviously, you know, 26 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,320 it's intended to be a spy on it, but what do you make of that? 27 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:13,760 OK. 28 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,520 I worked for Booz Allen in Hamilton from 1980 to 1982. 29 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,360 I did not work for them to be a spy. 30 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,080 It's a management consulting firm, and the jobs they get you 31 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,880 are very cushy, and they pay extremely well. 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,760 And they're very easy. 33 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,760 That's why I work for Booz Allen. 34 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,400 But Booz Allen is, well, one of the top three consulting firms, 35 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,720 there's BCG, Boston Consulting, McKenzie, and Booz Allen. 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,480 And then so clearly, if the government wants high quality 37 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,600 tech talent, they're going to go to one of those three consulting 38 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,400 firms. 39 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:44,280 A great job. 40 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,800 And I don't know whether Snowden started at Booz Allen 41 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,640 with the intent of trying to spy or not. 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,160 I have no information on that. 43 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,600 But it's a great company. 44 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,400 And through that relationship, he was able to get access to information 45 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,000 that most of us can't get access to. 46 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Yeah. 47 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,320 He said that was his goal. 48 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,160 Those are his words. 49 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,280 That that went to get the buzzer down. 50 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,280 To get the buzzer down. 51 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,680 I guess the reason why I'm asking is, to your point, 52 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,120 it sounds like you really know that what he did was something good, 53 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,720 whether his intentions were noble, is still up to be decided. 54 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,720 Is that about right? 55 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,640 Here's what I feel. 56 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:21,200 Any disclosure of any information is good. 57 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,480 Why should we be kept in the dark on anything? 58 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,280 Good Lord. 59 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,440 We're all adults here. 60 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,560 I want to know what's happening in my world. 61 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,960 Otherwise, I'm in the dark. 62 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,720 And I'm bumping into things and so are you. 63 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,840 So are we all. 64 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,760 So to that extent, I'm behind the guy. 65 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,480 Let's find out what the world is all about. 66 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,280 What is our government actually doing? 67 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,480 Don't you want to know people? 68 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,720 I do. 69 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,240 So to that extent, I back him fully. 70 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:50,000 I also back his balls, if I can say that on Fox or I'm behind his courage. 71 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,240 He has the courage to actually do something knowing its risks. 72 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,520 And now he's on the run. 73 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,000 Having been on the run many times in my life, 74 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,920 the first many times while I was in Mexico, 75 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,440 certainly the last time in police, 76 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,040 I know how difficult and how frightening that can be. 77 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,160 And the man is half my age. 78 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,880 If he were here, I think I could give him some very good advice. 79 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,560 And what would you tell him? 80 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,120 What would you tell him? 81 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Well, number one, I would have told him to stay in Hong Kong. 82 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:22,440 The back alleys of Hong Kong aren't notorious for being susceptible. 83 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,720 You can disappear into the back alleys of Hong Kong. 84 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,520 You can become one of the masses. 85 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,400 The Chinese government certainly has no interest in tracking him down. 86 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Neither will they cooperate with any American agency. 87 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:34,680 You don't have any Chinese. 88 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,680 I'm John. 89 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,080 Do you don't think the Chinese would have interest in a lot of the stuff he knows? 90 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Well, they would. 91 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,680 But I mean, I'm like the Russians. 92 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,280 I don't think the Chinese would be very harsh on him. 93 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,920 I mean, maybe they would detain him for a while. 94 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,040 But the Chinese are very, what's the word? 95 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,240 They make good hosts. 96 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,240 OK. 97 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,160 And if you're a guest in their country, you can live fairly well. 98 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,760 And by the way, I'm not just in America here. 99 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,800 And I'm not trying to give them an illegal advice. 100 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,960 I'm just saying that that it did make. 101 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,040 I would have stayed in Hong Kong. 102 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:05,840 Absolutely. 103 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,320 Now, before we go to quick break here, the one thing that has come up with him, John, 104 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,720 is that if you were a genuine whistleblower. 105 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Look at that. 106 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:22,920 It's a family show, but it was a move to not be a whistleblower and do some good. 107 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,400 But to get out of the country and do some bad. 108 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,880 That there is a procedure for going to your higher ups or going to an independent council 109 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,120 or an inspector general. 110 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,960 He didn't do that. 111 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,840 He immediately went to Hong Kong, which means to some of the people who don't like 112 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,000 it very much. 113 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,240 He's a spy and had spy intent. 114 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,240 What do you say? 115 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Having dealt with governments, I think all governments are the same. 116 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,760 They do not have much of a heart, sir. 117 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,760 Human beings have hearts. 118 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,200 You can talk to a human and say, here's the situation I am in. 119 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,200 What would you do? 120 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,200 I would run. 121 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,920 I'm not in his shoes, sir. 122 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:07,480 I can't justify or cast the spursions on his decisions. 123 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,880 I know from my own experience what the police in government wanted me to do would be 124 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,880 my debt. 125 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,360 I know that for a fact. 126 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,080 So I simply chose to go underground. 127 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,080 All right. 128 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,080 If you could stick around John, we're going to get into that.