1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,440 To prove that I know what I'm doing, notice my trigger discipline is the greatest in the world. 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:08,040 Because I know how to mentally f*** with people. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,660 And I literally destroyed his psyche. 4 00:00:11,140 --> 00:00:13,420 I reach in and take one and put it back. 5 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:16,240 Spin the cylinder, close it, and go click! 6 00:00:16,660 --> 00:00:17,460 Holy shit. 7 00:00:18,220 --> 00:00:19,180 Aliens are here. 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,540 I haven't paid taxes for 10 years. 9 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:22,440 I never will. 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,960 So everything I do is crypto. 11 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:26,880 I've been jailed literally in every continent except Africa. 12 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,360 I'm so thrilled to be speaking to you in this one-on-one context. 13 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,540 Just because I've been writing about technology my entire career. 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,360 So I hope you don't mind if we talk about some things that aren't exactly crypto related. 15 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,620 But we will touch on crypto. 16 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:42,580 Listen, I'll talk about anything that you want to talk about. 17 00:00:42,580 --> 00:00:42,800 Anything. 18 00:00:43,180 --> 00:00:43,740 Any subject. 19 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:44,340 All right. 20 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,420 Let's start with, you know, I get crazy emails from all kinds of people. 21 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,640 One of them came a few months ago saying that you had been murdered. 22 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,560 And it even included a picture of a body slumped over the floor. 23 00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:01,140 And I kind of, I was like, that looks like it might be the back of John McAfee's head. 24 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,200 I don't know what this is. 25 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,060 I'm very happy to see you alive and well here today. 26 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:05,680 But I'm curious. 27 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,620 I'm alive. 28 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:07,280 I'm alive. 29 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,520 I am alive and well. 30 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,060 What was your experience of this hoax murder? 31 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:12,820 And were you involved in it, sir? 32 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:16,420 I did not murder whoever was on the floor. 33 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:16,960 No. 34 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:21,620 You have to understand, I have half a dozen doubles around the world. 35 00:01:21,620 --> 00:01:31,820 Many of them are just like me and they take more drugs than necessary and they drink themselves 36 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:32,780 into a stupid. 37 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,320 I saw that picture, by the way, and it didn't look like a dead person. 38 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,440 It looked like someone, because there was vomit all over the floor, just like someone 39 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,240 passed out from either two months drinking or an overdose of heroin or something. 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:51,580 So, no, that person was not dead and was not murdered. 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,800 And it was not me. 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,220 In any case, that was taken 7,000 miles from where I was at the time. 43 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,920 Do you have enemies like this? 44 00:02:02,060 --> 00:02:03,800 What's the rationale for having doubles? 45 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Yeah. 46 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Listen, I mean, I'm wanted by five world governments, including the United States. 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,920 It's one of the most horrific of them. 48 00:02:13,140 --> 00:02:18,720 And in the past year, no, listen, in the past year and four months, they've tried to collect 49 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:19,800 me four times. 50 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:25,320 First of all, they've tried to collect me in America when they've convened a grand jury. 51 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:26,840 I found out about it beforehand. 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,940 So I found out five days in advance that they were convening it. 53 00:02:30,940 --> 00:02:33,740 So we left the following day to Florida. 54 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:40,560 We picked up our yacht with Janice, myself, four large dogs, and seven of my staff, and 55 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,220 sailed away. 56 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:42,700 Went to the Bahamas. 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:51,460 We were thumbing up our nose, 90 miles from America, sunning on the beach, tooling around 58 00:02:51,460 --> 00:02:53,960 in speed boats, and just having fun. 59 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:55,700 I knew they would come for me. 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,680 And they did. 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:03,320 They bribed the commissioner of police, Paul Rowe, to arrest us on anything, any charge 62 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,040 in that matter. 63 00:03:04,620 --> 00:03:09,820 Then, by the way, the Bahamas could not extradite us because the Bahamas has no taxes. 64 00:03:10,420 --> 00:03:13,900 And therefore, you cannot, it's not a crime not to pay them. 65 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:17,140 I haven't paid taxes for 10 years. 66 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:18,060 I never will. 67 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,700 It's illegal and not a constitution. 68 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:25,420 I wanted to ask about your specific rationale behind how taxes are illegal. 69 00:03:25,420 --> 00:03:33,680 Well, the constitution, the constitution specifically states, the government shall pass no laws or 70 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:41,320 make no regulation to inhibit or restrict a person's ability to enjoy the fruits of their 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:41,620 labor. 72 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:46,740 Meaning, you can't go in if they've got a carrot field and have 10,000 carrots and steal 73 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:47,940 one just because you're the government. 74 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Do you understand? 75 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,760 So, if it works for your produce, why the heck can't it work for the produce of your 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,020 work if it's money? 77 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:55,920 Right? 78 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:56,940 It's illegal, people. 79 00:03:57,420 --> 00:03:58,460 And unnecessary. 80 00:03:58,740 --> 00:04:01,580 Before 1913, there were no taxes in America. 81 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:05,740 And we were the greatest industrial power on the planet. 82 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:12,440 The instituted income tax in 1913 as a temporary measure, it's still here. 83 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,780 And once that happened, we started to diminish. 84 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:17,580 And now are we in industrial power? 85 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,660 No, we have no industry. 86 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:20,640 Our steel mills are gone. 87 00:04:21,020 --> 00:04:21,680 We have none. 88 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:28,560 All of our actual manufacturing, with the exception of a few car companies, which are losing to 89 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,720 the Japanese, the Koreans, and the Chinese, and the Germans. 90 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:33,540 That's it. 91 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,380 We're now a service economy. 92 00:04:36,260 --> 00:04:37,200 Can you believe? 93 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:37,660 So, no. 94 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:38,040 No. 95 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:39,360 It's illegal. 96 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,220 We got along much better without taxes. 97 00:04:42,380 --> 00:04:44,680 All countries get along better without taxes. 98 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Make governments. 99 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,260 Find your own money. 100 00:04:47,780 --> 00:04:49,000 That's what we hire you for. 101 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,080 Build some roads. 102 00:04:50,180 --> 00:04:50,700 Get the money. 103 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:51,520 Do what you need. 104 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,900 But don't steal it from us, for heaven's sake. 105 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,360 We didn't elect you to be lazy. 106 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,160 We elected you because you're smart. 107 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,260 But we don't have any smart people anymore. 108 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:01,260 So, no. 109 00:05:01,340 --> 00:05:01,800 It's illegal. 110 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,840 And listen, the Libertarian Party is based on that, for heaven's sake. 111 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:08,400 Taxation's illegal. 112 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:08,860 No. 113 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,160 All of us, that's what we believe. 114 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:13,840 And so, yes. 115 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:15,540 But that's another point. 116 00:05:15,860 --> 00:05:16,580 So, I haven't paid it. 117 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:18,120 I didn't pay it for 10 years. 118 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,660 For eight of those years, and every year, I send them, and I'm saying, I'm not filing 119 00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:25,220 tax reforms because I'm not paying. 120 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Oh, you actively inform them and say, thank you, but no thank you. 121 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:29,920 Yeah, I say, thank you. 122 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:30,460 I'm not filing. 123 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:31,020 Gotcha. 124 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,000 They say, I'm not filing, you know, where I live. 125 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,260 Now, it's not illegal not to file your taxes. 126 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:40,180 And what they can do, the IRS, you don't file your taxes and go, okay, well, we're taking 127 00:05:40,180 --> 00:05:42,080 your house, your car, and all of the money in your bank. 128 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,540 It's up to you to try to get it back. 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:45,240 Do you understand? 130 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,400 But they never touch me, why? 131 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:50,960 I've already paid over $50 million in taxes. 132 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:54,360 I have not received $50 million in services. 133 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:54,760 Yeah. 134 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:57,340 I hear them also very loud and vocal. 135 00:05:57,860 --> 00:06:00,260 There were easier targets for them than me. 136 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:14,640 But two years ago, I started speaking on international stages in London, Bucharest, Stockholm, Beijing, Hong Kong, saying, hey, people, you don't want to pay taxes. 137 00:06:15,020 --> 00:06:19,400 I'm not saying you shouldn't, but if you don't want to, you know how to do it? 138 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,260 Privacy coins and distributed exchanges. 139 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:30,760 You never have to pay another penny in taxes ever again, because the government cannot ever prove that you've made any money. 140 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Well, then they got angry. 141 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:45,100 When I started, I was the chairman, the CEO of MGT, the world's sixth largest Bitcoin mining company, $800 million in valuation. 142 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:52,780 The SEC, immediately after I started saying that, filed a subpoena against the company. 143 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:54,480 Not me personally, but against the company. 144 00:06:55,140 --> 00:07:00,780 Now, when the SEC files a subpoena, you have to publicly declare it. 145 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:04,540 But you may not say anything about what it's about. 146 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,180 So what was it about? 147 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:17,260 It was about a past stockholder asking, please, let us know how much stock he received and for what. 148 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:17,740 That was it. 149 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:27,600 But since I couldn't disclose that, but I had to disclose we've been subpoenaed, the New York Stock Exchange the following day delisted us. 150 00:07:27,620 --> 00:07:28,240 That's what they do. 151 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:36,740 So if someone files a subpoena, and you get delisted, our stock went from an $800 million valuation overnight to $3 million. 152 00:07:38,380 --> 00:07:39,720 We had to fold the company. 153 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:40,200 I left. 154 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,860 That was their shot over the bell. 155 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,020 A warning say, you better shut up or we'll destroy you. 156 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:48,900 Well, that just made me mad. 157 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,000 And I got more vote. 158 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,100 So the SEC couldn't do anything about me telling, don't pay taxes. 159 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,300 So they got the IRS to file to a convening a grand jury. 160 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,000 I mean, it's all politics. 161 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:05,640 So that's why I'm on the run from the U.S. 162 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:12,000 I'm on the run from the Bahamas since they're after me because we left six hours before they came to collect us. 163 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,620 We went to Cuba. 164 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:19,800 We were in Cuba for two months, and the Cuban government grabbed Janice and I, took us in to an army base. 165 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:28,720 An army general came in and said, listen, Ms. McAfee, we regret what the U.S. government has requested that me return you to America. 166 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:30,260 I'm going for a little bit. 167 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:35,480 And they said, however, we were disinclined to do so. 168 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:42,780 But, Mr. McAfee, you understand, you are now a serious problem to us if you remain in this country. 169 00:08:43,180 --> 00:08:45,700 You have 72 hours to get out of the country. 170 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,920 Now, we had a boat. 171 00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:49,660 Our captain, we were planning to be there for quite a while. 172 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Our captain was in Miami. 173 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:52,720 It's a big yacht. 174 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,160 You can't just power these uppers up and sail away. 175 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:56,100 It takes days. 176 00:08:56,620 --> 00:08:58,520 And they came sometimes twice a day. 177 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,320 They said, Mr. McAfee, are you sure you're going to be gone in 43 hours? 178 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:07,120 Finally, I said, listen, if I have to swim to Haiti, I'm going to be gone. 179 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,640 And we managed to get out 16 hours ahead of the deadline. 180 00:09:14,380 --> 00:09:16,660 We decided to go to the Dominican Republic. 181 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,780 We told no one about it. 182 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:21,280 But now the CIA arranged all of this shit, right? 183 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:28,080 And so we got to the Dominican Republic, pulled into a dock, and we were arrested. 184 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:29,900 Before we could get off the boat. 185 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,120 And they said, Ms. McAfee, I'm sorry, but we have to ship you back to America. 186 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:35,620 I said, well, that's not legal. 187 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,000 I didn't come from America. 188 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:38,040 I came from Cuba. 189 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:47,420 By international law, if you want to ship me anywhere, you can either ship me to a country that I say I want to go to, or the country I came from. 190 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:50,900 You cannot legally send me to America. 191 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:59,100 And so the head of immigration, I was sitting in his office when he said that, he said, see, pero señor, it's muy, muy, muy complicado. 192 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Meaning, yeah, I understand. 193 00:10:01,340 --> 00:10:06,100 However, this is a very, very, very complicated case. 194 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,120 You're going back to America. 195 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,900 But we didn't. 196 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:17,280 I mean, I got lawyers, and we, four days later, by the way, jails in the Dominican Republic, I can't recommend them. 197 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:22,240 I've been jailed in almost, I've been jailed literally in every continent except Africa. 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,120 You started your namesake company in 1987, but obviously technology was a big deal for you before that. 199 00:10:29,340 --> 00:10:32,060 My question to you, sir, what's your first memory of computers? 200 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,540 At what point did technology click for you? 201 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:37,180 And you're like, ah, computers, technology, this is for me. 202 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:44,840 When they first came out in 1968 as general purpose computers. 203 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:50,520 I mean, they had massive things in government that had one million to the power of your smartphone. 204 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:57,180 But, so, I went to, I got a degree in mathematics, another graduate bachelor's. 205 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,800 I went to Louisiana State, then moved to Virginia College Technique, working on a master's. 206 00:11:02,140 --> 00:11:04,380 I decided to take the summer off. 207 00:11:05,060 --> 00:11:07,000 But I got a job with General Electric. 208 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,380 I didn't know what it was about. 209 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:10,480 I was living for mathematicians. 210 00:11:11,020 --> 00:11:13,540 I'm one of the finest in the world, if I may say so. 211 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,940 So, I said, yeah, goodbye. 212 00:11:16,580 --> 00:11:18,720 I went to a training program for three months. 213 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,620 I didn't tell them I was going to go back to school. 214 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,200 You know, at that age, I was deceptive. 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,740 However, after three months, I realized, Jesus, this is what I want to do. 216 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:36,340 And it was the most technical, and still the most technologically complex and intense of all computer disciplines. 217 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,320 Process automation. 218 00:11:39,020 --> 00:11:41,380 Real-time computing, if you know what that means. 219 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:47,020 That means that you have a computer controlling a moving system in real time. 220 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:56,160 And if you're off by a fraction of a millisecond, you might destroy a $2 million steel mill roller or something. 221 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:06,420 And so, I worked for your automating Australia iron and steels, a steel mill plant in Fort Campbell in New South Wales, Australia. 222 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:10,720 That's where I really learned what computers really were. 223 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,420 How software and hardware are an interface issue and a really one thing. 224 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:21,100 And from there, I went to, I did so well. 225 00:12:21,300 --> 00:12:22,700 I got a job at NASA. 226 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:30,600 Not just normal NASA, but their Institute for Space Studies at Columbia University in Manhattan. 227 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:39,720 There, I was assigned the data reduction of the world's first weather satellite, TIROS. 228 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:50,440 And that's also where I first learned that there is a thing called computer security, because they were terrified that the Russians or the Chinese would get access to the data. 229 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,060 Because no one else had any weather satellite, no satellites at all that were transmitting data. 230 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,020 And it had been transmitted data for years in analog form. 231 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:04,460 And so, they said, how do you deal with this? 232 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:05,780 I go, fuck me, I don't know. 233 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,800 But, you know, I was 25 at the time. 234 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,120 And, you know, 25 will take on any project. 235 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:22,720 And after a year, I had designed a system to reduce the data into a, not just a manageable form, but to an intelligible form. 236 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:35,520 And then from there, I went to Univac, which at the time was the second largest computer manufacturer in the world, designing operating systems. 237 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:36,780 I was the lead. 238 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:42,740 I was 25 years old and the lead architect for Univac's operating systems. 239 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:44,880 And that was my beginning. 240 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,560 And this was just in 1970 was that. 241 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:58,540 And I've been in computers ever since, and security ever since, because at NASA, I understood, oh, people are concerned about other people accessing data. 242 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:59,500 Well, how interesting. 243 00:14:00,460 --> 00:14:06,760 As I understand it, you basically beat Skype and instant messenger to the chat and communication game in the 1990s. 244 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,480 Do you feel like you get enough credit? 245 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:09,880 Yes, I did, with tribal voice. 246 00:14:09,980 --> 00:14:13,280 However, at the time, the system was hot. 247 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,160 We didn't have the bandwidth for it. 248 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,020 I mean, this is when people were using T1 lines. 249 00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:19,800 That was as fast as you can get. 250 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:20,820 I am familiar. 251 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,680 I had one to my house. 252 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:23,960 Absolutely. 253 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:28,080 So, if we only had one user, we were spectacular. 254 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,900 It fell apart at 10. 255 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,020 But nevertheless, we invented it. 256 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,620 Voice, actually voice, we didn't have video at the time. 257 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,260 Voice only. 258 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:42,300 But we had, we were the first instant messaging system. 259 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:52,360 So, tribal voice, when I finally realized, you know, I'm sorry, the hardware, we're 15 years ahead, boys. 260 00:14:52,860 --> 00:15:01,100 And so, we sold the company for $17 million to CMGI in Boston and moved on to other things. 261 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:04,220 I then co-founded Zone Labs. 262 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:13,900 And we sold Zone Labs after a year to checkpoints for $400 million out of 11 months' work. 263 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:19,120 So, people know me from McAfee, but no, that was not my great success. 264 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:20,540 That was some trivial thing. 265 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:29,320 It was my future things, which I did not attach my name to, that taught me and made me all of my money. 266 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:35,020 Well, speaking of money, what were the circumstances in which you first gained familiarity with cryptocurrency? 267 00:15:35,780 --> 00:15:40,480 Was it the invention of Bitcoin, or did you have somebody walk you through it? 268 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,200 Okay, so here's how that happened. 269 00:15:42,940 --> 00:15:43,640 Here's how that happened. 270 00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:48,700 I mean, at McAfee, I started collecting prize employees, programmers. 271 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:57,660 There are, in fact, programming is one of those strange fields where you can find people who are worth a hundred other programmers. 272 00:15:57,860 --> 00:16:00,080 In truth, all right, this is a fact. 273 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:01,620 And so, I collected those. 274 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,960 One of those was a genius named James Zeromsky. 275 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:06,500 Worked for me at McAfee. 276 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,920 Brought him with me to Tribal Voice, and he worked with me on a whole bunch of projects after that. 277 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,740 I hadn't talked to Jim in years, because I had stopped doing those things. 278 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,960 I was simply out traveling and enjoying myself. 279 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,380 I was in Belize. 280 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:24,680 He called me, just chatted, and said, I'm coming down. 281 00:16:25,420 --> 00:16:26,420 I go, great, great. 282 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,420 What are you doing? 283 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:28,320 He says, I'm mining. 284 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:29,980 I go, mining? 285 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:31,560 I didn't ask. 286 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,440 I'm thinking, what's he mining? 287 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,000 Gold? 288 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:34,180 Diamonds? 289 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:34,620 Who knows? 290 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,020 Silver? 291 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:35,620 Copper? 292 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:37,180 Lead? 293 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:37,640 I don't know. 294 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,040 So, he came down with his girlfriend. 295 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:46,680 I took him out the next day on my sailboat. 296 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:53,340 He and his girlfriend and a couple of dozen other people spent a couple of days out. 297 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:57,420 And that first day, we were sitting on the net up front. 298 00:16:57,700 --> 00:16:58,220 It's a camera. 299 00:16:58,220 --> 00:17:08,700 And he handed me Bitcoin's white paper, which I read cover to cover in a matter of minutes. 300 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:13,600 And being a mathematician, I was just interested in the math part of it. 301 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:18,080 When I saw the brilliance of it, I go, holy shit. 302 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:19,160 No wonder he came down. 303 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:21,360 And that's what got me involved. 304 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,420 And I've been in crypto ever since. 305 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:28,880 So, do you care to talk at all about what coins you hold besides Bitcoin? 306 00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:29,920 Or is it all Bitcoin? 307 00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:31,740 I don't hold coins. 308 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,260 The only coins I hold are the coins that I use for business. 309 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:37,060 I don't have... 310 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:38,760 Listen, we can't have... 311 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,340 Obviously, we can't have a bank account. 312 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,740 And certainly, if we can't have a credit card, we'd be picked up in a matter of minutes. 313 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:46,160 It's the first time we use the credit card. 314 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:48,480 So, we can't have a bank account, can't have a credit card. 315 00:17:50,020 --> 00:17:51,580 And no way to get cash. 316 00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:53,060 So, everything I do is crypto. 317 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:55,500 Monero or DAI. 318 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:56,500 Oh, wow. 319 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,520 So, you're paying all your employees in crypto? 320 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,340 Paying all of them. 321 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,240 Every job that I take on, I get paid in crypto. 322 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:04,620 If you can't pay me in crypto, I'm sorry. 323 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:06,080 Get someone else to do the work. 324 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,600 So, everything. 325 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:09,340 And not just employees. 326 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Everything can close to food, to food, vests, and guns. 327 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:15,100 You buy with crypto. 328 00:18:15,980 --> 00:18:18,140 So, why bother with fiat? 329 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,660 Why bother with a bank? 330 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,800 So, we don't have such things anymore. 331 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:22,300 Yeah. 332 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,740 How do you buy clothes and food with crypto? 333 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:27,900 Well, I go on to Google. 334 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,900 And I search for shirts, shirts, crypto. 335 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:35,440 Easy enough. 336 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,000 That's all you have to do for these people. 337 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,160 It's an easy thing. 338 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Are you paying much attention to Bitcoin's price fluctuations? 339 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:46,560 Is that interesting to you at all? 340 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:51,660 Bitcoin, in no way, shape, or form, is remotely interesting to me. 341 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:52,040 I'm sorry. 342 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,640 So, I have no clue. 343 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:56,180 I do know this, that the halving is coming up. 344 00:18:56,740 --> 00:19:00,420 Any day now, Bitcoin is going to skyrocket. 345 00:19:01,060 --> 00:19:02,440 Just like it did in the quartering. 346 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,880 I mean, I was running MGT, the sixth largest Bitcoin mining company, during the quartering. 347 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,860 What happened is Bitcoin went sky high. 348 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,480 And after the quartering, it sank to next to nothing. 349 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,200 The same thing is going to happen now, soon. 350 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,260 You watch it. 351 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,900 I promise you. 352 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,720 You'll see the price slowly. 353 00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:22,520 It'll do this. 354 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Slow rise, slow rise. 355 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:28,300 And an asymptotic curve just before the halving. 356 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,840 And then an instant crash afterwards. 357 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,080 And I guarantee this is going to happen. 358 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:35,780 But no, I don't pay any attention to it. 359 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,360 Bitcoin is a useless coin, guys. 360 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:38,820 Always has been. 361 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:39,740 It's got no... 362 00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:40,560 Please, people. 363 00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:42,200 It's got no... 364 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,520 It's got no privacy. 365 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:46,280 You cannot put a smart contract on it. 366 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,060 So, what the hell is the blockchain for? 367 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,060 And you can't run distributed apps on it. 368 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:53,180 It's an ancient use... 369 00:19:53,180 --> 00:19:54,280 You think it's not? 370 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,420 Find anybody in the world that takes Bitcoin anymore. 371 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:57,920 Nobody. 372 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:00,020 Go on the dark web. 373 00:20:00,020 --> 00:20:02,120 Which used to be all Bitcoin. 374 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,660 Not a single vendor except Bitcoin. 375 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:08,040 It is 99.9% Monero. 376 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,280 Monero is the most widely used coin in the world. 377 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,800 People go, oh, but Bitcoin is. 378 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:14,260 No. 379 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:15,300 Nobody uses it. 380 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,140 Bitcoin just happens to have, for some bizarre reason, not caught up to reality. 381 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:24,620 And its market value is the largest. 382 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:26,980 But its real value is nothing. 383 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:30,400 Because the real value has to be based on its original value. 384 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,220 It is used as a currency. 385 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,160 Can't be used as a currency anymore. 386 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:36,500 It doesn't work in the new world. 387 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:38,520 I want to put a... 388 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,160 I heard a theory earlier this week during virtual blockchain week. 389 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 I want to put this to you and see what you make of it. 390 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:55,700 And the theory basically says that Bitcoin is enjoying a slight price bump this week because the U.S. government is minting money and slowly diluting the U.S. dollar. 391 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:56,960 Does that square with you? 392 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Do you agree, disagree? 393 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,100 No. 394 00:20:58,660 --> 00:20:59,480 No, absolutely not. 395 00:20:59,540 --> 00:21:00,140 That's the halving. 396 00:21:00,780 --> 00:21:01,740 Oh, it has already started. 397 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:03,960 The climb has already started. 398 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,840 We saw, I think it was Tuesday night into Wednesday morning, it jumped about $1,500. 399 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:11,680 So we're at a new... 400 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,540 That's the halving, people. 401 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:13,840 That's the halving. 402 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,120 Please. 403 00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:16,360 Cool. 404 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,600 Look at the quartering. 405 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,080 The same exact thing. 406 00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:23,000 Two weeks before, it started a bump. 407 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:25,780 And it may go up to $50,000. 408 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,360 I don't know. 409 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,380 But it will crash instantly after they have it. 410 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,740 It's got nothing to do with the U.S. dollar. 411 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:32,800 All that is speculation. 412 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,940 History is what we should be learning from, not just with Bitcoin, but everything in our life. 413 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:39,360 Sure, sure. 414 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:45,280 That tells us what will come because it does over and over, always. 415 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,660 Why do you think the Pentagon's confirmation that UFOs are real isn't such a huge freaking deal? 416 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:56,520 Why aren't people in the streets about this screaming? 417 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,160 That is the question. 418 00:21:58,340 --> 00:22:02,660 Because really, it's a very short video. 419 00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:09,280 But if you look at it, you can clearly see this sucker traveling at massive speeds. 420 00:22:09,340 --> 00:22:09,800 Stop. 421 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,120 And it's clearly a rotating object. 422 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,900 And it spins. 423 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:18,560 And a physical impossibility for rotating objects. 424 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,100 How? 425 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,400 And what the heck is it that rotates? 426 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,080 And why did it rotate? 427 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,980 It rotated a full 110 degrees and then shot off. 428 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:36,800 We do not have the technology in the human species of technology to do that. 429 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:42,480 So, to me, to have verification from the Pentagon means one of two things. 430 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,840 Aliens are here or the Pentagon is fucking with us. 431 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,160 I don't know which. 432 00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:50,340 But it's one of those two. 433 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:52,680 In either case, it should be a big deal. 434 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Why is the Pentagon lying to us? 435 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:56,740 And what are they trying to achieve? 436 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,640 Or, holy shit. 437 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,380 Aliens are here. 438 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,680 For real. 439 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:02,280 I don't know. 440 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:03,720 But it didn't seem to be a big deal. 441 00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:04,260 And that's fine. 442 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,360 I mean, people are more concerned about hiding from a non-existing threat. 443 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,440 That's fine with me. 444 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:18,120 Let me ask you kind of a weird question about your experience of your own life, just because 445 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,760 it's been such a full life from what is publicly known. 446 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,480 And I imagine what isn't publicly known only adds more to the story. 447 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,420 You started a huge company. 448 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,800 Your name is basically synonymous with antivirus protection. 449 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,560 You've run a presidential campaign. 450 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:35,040 You're married to a woman more than 30 years younger than you. 451 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:38,420 You're on the law from law enforcement, including the United States. 452 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:42,960 You were arrested for drug manufacturing and released without charges. 453 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,480 You've written books about yoga. 454 00:23:44,740 --> 00:23:49,940 And I understand that some of these books take concepts like telepathy and time travel seriously. 455 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:52,920 This strikes me as a full and unusual life. 456 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,460 Does it feel unusual to you? 457 00:23:56,940 --> 00:24:00,700 No, it feels hectic and out of control. 458 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,580 No, I'm telling you, seriously, it has been since I was 23. 459 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,160 That's when all this shit started. 460 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:09,020 I don't know. 461 00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:15,240 Listen, if you step out of the box, you're in an alternate universe, people. 462 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,200 You don't really understand. 463 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,600 People habituate their lives to following what authority says. 464 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,640 What are authorities? 465 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:33,380 The government, teachers, policemen, the FBI, Congress. 466 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:34,320 These are authorities. 467 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:43,560 And we have been habituated to both believe that these authorities are here for us, for our benefit. 468 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,080 Well, you need to wake up. 469 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,940 They're here for their benefit. 470 00:24:48,660 --> 00:25:00,140 What congressman truly is going to sacrifice their well-being for you, knowing that, listen, I'm going to lose money doing this, but it's good for the people. 471 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,640 No, it's for them. 472 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,160 And they will rationalize why. 473 00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:07,040 For example, it can may not be real for a second. 474 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,260 Every congressman is a multimillionaire. 475 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:13,680 Every single one, without exception. 476 00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:22,520 Few of them came into Congress as millionaires, and all of them became millionaires before their four-year term was up. 477 00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,100 Now, I want to ask you something. 478 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:29,600 What magic is there about having the title congressman or senator? 479 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,200 Is it that money flows from the heavens into your pocket? 480 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:36,560 Wake up, people. 481 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,380 That doesn't happen. 482 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,580 So if that's really what's happening, they do not have your interest in art. 483 00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:49,700 They have the lining of their pockets in art, which is just a fact of life, which we have to accept. 484 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:56,080 So we accept authority, and we accept it for two reasons. 485 00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:56,860 Laziness. 486 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:02,420 You know, we're easier to let somebody else think for you, especially authority. 487 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,620 And fear. 488 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,060 And what's the fear? 489 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:07,440 The fear of thinking incorrectly. 490 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,600 That's the greatest fear that people have, making a wrong decision or a wrong choice. 491 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,200 And if we make that decision ourselves, who is it that has to bear the burden, the responsibility? 492 00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:21,060 Ourselves. 493 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:31,380 But if we let somebody else do it for it, the government, the mayor, your boss, anybody but you, 494 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:35,060 then if it's a bad decision, you're perfectly protected. 495 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:38,220 It's that person that bears the responsibility. 496 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:43,400 So these two things combined keep people in a box. 497 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:49,500 And that box has extraordinarily narrow limits to it. 498 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200 John, it seems like so much of your life is about getting out of the box, John. 499 00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:55,020 Well, of course it is. 500 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:55,960 That's all life is. 501 00:26:56,340 --> 00:27:04,240 I don't want to be a habituated individual that thinks other people's thoughts and believes other people's beliefs. 502 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,500 I want to see life for myself. 503 00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:10,900 And you can't do that inside the box because life is outside the box, people. 504 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:19,220 So when I was in my 20s, I realized, you know, my entire life has been what my parents taught me to do, 505 00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:24,860 what my teachers taught me to do, what the police said I should do, 506 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:30,700 what the government said I should do, what college said I should. 507 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:32,660 Well, no, enough of this crap. 508 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:34,980 I go, I'm just going to think for myself. 509 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,340 When I did so, whoa, the world opened up. 510 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,440 But let me tell you, you had better be prepared for what follows because it's not always comfortable. 511 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:55,380 And it is always completely unknown and completely unpredictable and sometimes frightening and sometimes painful. 512 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:04,860 Janice, for example, was not remotely happy with her four days in a Dominican Republic jail. 513 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:05,720 Right? 514 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,220 Understood. 515 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,140 Me, I've been in jail, more jails than God. 516 00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:10,720 It's like a jail for me. 517 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,960 So you habituate even to those things. 518 00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:21,300 But if you don't want to go to jail, if you don't want people to want to kill you, 519 00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:25,520 if you don't want to have to run from governments, then stay in your box, people. 520 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,660 Because that may not happen to you, but something equally as bizarre and frightening will. 521 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,880 And this is what you're risking. 522 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,000 Get out of the box. 523 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,600 You're going to numb the world. 524 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,140 It's been there your whole life, people. 525 00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:44,660 Your entire life, that world is running in parallel with you. 526 00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:47,260 And it's been beckoning you, come out and play. 527 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,540 Come out and play. 528 00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:51,400 And promise you will survive it. 529 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,880 I'm 74 and I have survived 52 years of it. 530 00:28:57,780 --> 00:29:01,620 And I would not change a single second of this. 531 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,340 I would not change my jail time. 532 00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:08,340 I would not change hiding in the jungles of the least while bullets were flying over my head. 533 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,500 I would not change a single thing. 534 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:14,460 It's the stuff of movies. 535 00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:17,500 And there already is one, the documentary about your life. 536 00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:20,680 And then I also understand that there's some movie called King of the Jungle. 537 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:26,740 Michael Keaton will be playing me and Zac Efron will be playing the reporter. 538 00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:30,660 It's just about a tiny two-week segment of my life. 539 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:40,820 But for the reporter who wrote the story or the script, it was the most horrific, shocking, and terrifying experience of his life. 540 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:44,160 And he unraveled, went back and wrote this thing. 541 00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:48,480 So that's what the movie's about, is less me and more of him. 542 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,460 He listened to my time and if you like the press, I admit. 543 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,180 And what happened is, who was it? 544 00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:06,180 Wired, Wired Magazine contacted me, begged me to let one of their reporters come and live with me for two weeks. 545 00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:09,260 And I go, yeah, I've never done that before. 546 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,900 Well, I'm not going to say no because I've never done it before. 547 00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:15,020 He was there for about six hours and I go, fool. 548 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,400 The only way this is going to work is that I'm just going to f*** with him the entire time, which I did. 549 00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:22,020 And he did. 550 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,320 By the end, he was a bubbling mess of terror. 551 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,840 And it was just, so he went back. 552 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,220 That's what this movie's about. 553 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,660 How did you f*** with him? 554 00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:34,560 Setting off guns and stuff? 555 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:34,920 I don't know. 556 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:37,460 Well, you need to read the story. 557 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:43,260 But let me tell you one, the most prominent one that everybody remembers because he wrote this story is the second day. 558 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,960 I'm thinking, okay, it's not going to work. 559 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:48,140 So you're just mine, dude. 560 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440 You were stupid to come down here. 561 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:51,940 And this is what you get. 562 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:52,760 So we're talking. 563 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,300 We're in my, listen, I had houses all over the place. 564 00:30:56,300 --> 00:31:01,840 And we were sitting in one on the beach in this gorgeous, huge room, massive table in the middle. 565 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,700 And he's sitting over here to my left, maybe eight feet away. 566 00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:07,320 And I'm sitting here and we're talking. 567 00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:14,240 He's talking about my compound in the jungle and the anti-briotic work that I'm doing there. 568 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,660 While I'm talking, I pull out my .38 revolver. 569 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,640 I always am armed. 570 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:19,660 Pulled it out. 571 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:20,800 And I'm still talking. 572 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,720 I open the cylinder and dump the shells out. 573 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,560 I reach in and take one and put it back. 574 00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:30,360 Spin the cylinder, close it, and go, click. 575 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:31,580 Okay. 576 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,300 He jumped up, backed up, banged against the wall and said, no, you don't have to do this. 577 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:39,180 Stop, stop. 578 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,060 And I said, stop what? 579 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:40,640 Click. 580 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,620 Open it again, spun it. 581 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:43,220 Click. 582 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,580 I did it maybe 50 fucking times. 583 00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:48,340 Now, I'm a sleight of hand specialist. 584 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,380 Now, how did I do that trick? 585 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:57,440 What I always do, unless I'm anticipating a serious problem, is with revolvers, I take 586 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:04,540 the bullet out, dump the powder, put it back in, pop the cap, because you have to pop the 587 00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:07,880 cap else it'll explode against your head, and you could damage yourself. 588 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,080 Put the bullet back in, put it in the gun. 589 00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:11,640 How do I recognize it? 590 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:18,380 Because when I dump them out, the bullet with no powder and the cap busted will have a tiny 591 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:22,940 indentation where the firing pin fired the cap. 592 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,280 So I'll take that bullet, pull it back in. 593 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,900 You can click that a million times. 594 00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:27,780 It's not going to fall off. 595 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,960 Now, what was even better is that Dan, I said, calm down, calm down. 596 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:34,280 And it's going to be okay. 597 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:34,960 It's going to be okay. 598 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,140 So I said, let's go outside. 599 00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:38,280 And he just needs air. 600 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:40,580 And he's just freaking out. 601 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:45,080 He's got tears coming down his face, not from crying, but he doesn't know what else to do. 602 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,400 He pissed himself, by the way. 603 00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:49,380 And so I take him out on the porch. 604 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:50,120 I said, it's okay. 605 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:55,820 I pointed the gun at the sand, pulled the trigger, went boom, and the sand exploded, right? 606 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:56,820 What did I do? 607 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,560 While I'm taking the alcohol, see, that's not looking at my hands. 608 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,440 I take that, but without the live men. 609 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:09,680 So now, that was the mildest thing that I did with him while he was there. 610 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:12,500 And you have to believe me if I want to f*** him somewhere. 611 00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:15,180 I will f*** with you. 612 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,980 And that was the beginning. 613 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:18,180 That was the mildest. 614 00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:22,420 That was nothing compared to what else I submitted him to. 615 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,920 And when he left, he was literally bubbling, incoherent. 616 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,960 He'd lost his mind. 617 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,500 And so this movie is about those two weeks. 618 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,740 It was written by him. 619 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,720 Have you heard anything from that reporter in the years since? 620 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:42,420 Are you still in touch at all, I wonder? 621 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,080 Josh Davis? 622 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,620 No, why would I be in touch with him? 623 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:46,420 I don't know. 624 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,100 I don't know. 625 00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:50,040 If it were me, I would be writing you letters every day, to be honest. 626 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:50,700 I think you're- 627 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:50,980 No, no. 628 00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:52,680 He's never tried to contact me again. 629 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,700 I mean, no one in the right mind would. 630 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:59,000 If you had gone through what he went through, I'd be the last person in the world he'd want 631 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,640 to hear from. 632 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,520 Seriously. 633 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,420 The last person in the f***ing world. 634 00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:07,120 Because I know how to mentally f*** with people. 635 00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:08,280 You must trust me. 636 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,820 And I literally destroyed his psyche. 637 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:12,400 Why? 638 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,360 He took up two weeks of my valuable time, and he was an idiot. 639 00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:25,620 What idiot editor would send someone like him to spend two weeks with me and expect things 640 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:26,240 to go well? 641 00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:27,100 No. 642 00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:29,260 Absolutely not. 643 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:31,540 Oh, man. 644 00:34:31,540 --> 00:34:36,540 I had a transvestite, okay? 645 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:42,180 A man, dressed as a woman, creep into his bed one night and start fondling his pirates. 646 00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:42,960 All right? 647 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:48,420 Come on. 648 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:51,880 I mean, it's, it's, and that was mild. 649 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:54,660 And I did this every hour of the day. 650 00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:55,420 Something different. 651 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,580 Something different. 652 00:34:58,020 --> 00:34:58,360 No. 653 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,160 A smart man would have said, I'm out of here. 654 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,500 Right, right. 655 00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:05,280 On the second, on the, in fact, smart man that didn't understand. 656 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:10,600 Now, he was also very stupid because, seriously, come on, who is going to sit there? 657 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,720 And I also, it's a six, six shot revolver. 658 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:17,400 And I went, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. 659 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:18,420 Please God. 660 00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:22,240 A smart woman would go, ah, you're fooling me. 661 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,800 Not him. 662 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:23,840 Not him. 663 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,100 Why? 664 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,140 He was too panicked. 665 00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:28,620 He was expecting any second to see a head explode. 666 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:29,020 Yeah. 667 00:35:29,020 --> 00:35:30,400 Get splattered with blood. 668 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,520 No, come on. 669 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:33,620 Listen, you know. 670 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:42,400 And, and the transvestite, okay, made sure that, because I paid him very well, made sure 671 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,920 that he was thorough in his fondling. 672 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,340 Satoshi Nakamoto, we're, I'm totally clear that you're not interested in Bitcoin, but 673 00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:53,240 a lot of people are. 674 00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:54,360 Oh, yeah. 675 00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:57,840 Do you have any theories on who this is? 676 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,480 How do you like Phil, Phil Zimmerman for Satoshi Nakamoto? 677 00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:02,680 Oh, no. 678 00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:03,340 Please God. 679 00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:04,020 Absolutely not. 680 00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:09,360 Now, listen, the, people think that Satoshi designed Bitcoin. 681 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:09,860 Nonsense. 682 00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:17,640 It was a team of 11 people over a period of five years that came up eventually with this. 683 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:24,200 How they decided who would write the paper, I don't have a clue, but anybody who wants to 684 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,020 know who it is. 685 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:26,620 I mean, you know who the options are. 686 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:32,120 You've got Craig Wright, Boston, I'm not going to name anybody else else, so you'll figure 687 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,420 it out. 688 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:35,900 But somebody wrote the white paper. 689 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,180 Well, if you read the white paper, number one, it is totally clear he's English. 690 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:46,160 Every single word that has a different spelling in English and American is English. 691 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,440 Number two, he left tells. 692 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,840 There's only 5% of the population that has two spaces after a period. 693 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,160 Everything was two spaces after a period. 694 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:04,100 And the format of the document was identical to documents that he had published professionally 695 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:10,940 in, you know, professional academic publications. 696 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:11,900 Identical. 697 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:21,000 So now, then if you buy a $200 authorship program and you take the white paper, you run it through 698 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,440 and you take any one of the papers that this guy wrote or any, all of these people wrote 699 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,740 papers, by the way, only one comes out with 99% probability as him. 700 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,660 So I have spoken to him on the phone. 701 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,880 I was actually going to divulge who he was. 702 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:37,220 Why? 703 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,780 Because all this nonsense was just stupid. 704 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,780 People wasting time over nothing. 705 00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:44,140 I was going to say, listen, it's this guy. 706 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,460 You know what he told me? 707 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,640 Very smart motherfucker. 708 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:48,360 He said, okay. 709 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:51,600 What if you're wrong? 710 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:59,700 Because if you're right, that's how Toshi is going to have to hire 50 security guards and 711 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:00,740 change his life. 712 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:02,400 Else he will die. 713 00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:05,020 You know, this is going to happen. 714 00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:06,300 Why? 715 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,880 Everybody's going to want a piece of him, including the governments that demand that he pay taxes 716 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,400 on him. 717 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,180 He said, okay, that's, if you're right, then that person has the ability to do so. 718 00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:19,060 But what if you're wrong? 719 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,740 You will have destroyed an innocent man's life forever. 720 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,160 And probably caused his death. 721 00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:28,260 I go, whoa. 722 00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:31,700 At that moment, I said, I understand. 723 00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:33,640 I'll say no more. 724 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,440 I understood. 725 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,320 And your name will never leave my lips. 726 00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:41,740 Which is why I never continued to ask Craig Wright, because the name would have to leave 727 00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:42,180 my lips. 728 00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:42,500 All right. 729 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,440 So, but if you want to know, figure it out yourself. 730 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:45,880 All right. 731 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,800 I'm sure you remember, I think it was the year 2014, where they found a guy named Dorian 732 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,020 Nakamoto, and mistakenly outed him as Satoshi. 733 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,720 And it definitely upended his life. 734 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,080 Yes. 735 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,020 Yes. 736 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,040 See, that's the issue. 737 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,320 See, I'm a stupid old man. 738 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,700 And I don't think things through. 739 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,100 Because I said, listen, I'm going to give all to who he is, and let's get over this nonsense 740 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:11,880 and stop fucking speculating. 741 00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:14,220 But then here's one thing. 742 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,480 What if you're wrong? 743 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,000 What if that 1% probability is what the reality is? 744 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,500 You have destroyed a man's life. 745 00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,160 All right. 746 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:23,700 All right. 747 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,300 Could I ask one indulgence before we go, John? 748 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:32,880 I would love to take a screenshot of you holding up that AK behind you, if that's okay. 749 00:39:33,940 --> 00:39:34,780 How'd you know it's behind? 750 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,880 I watched the presentation, man. 751 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,300 Thank you, man. 752 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,540 To prove that I know what I'm doing, notice my trigger discipline is the greatest in the 753 00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:47,760 world. 754 00:39:48,020 --> 00:39:49,760 You're pointing it in a safe direction and everything. 755 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:56,020 Never touch the trigger until the moment you have acquired the target and are ready to 756 00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:56,280 fire. 757 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,580 Otherwise, you will accidentally shoot yourself or someone else. 758 00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:59,920 Okay. 759 00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:02,540 So I know what I'm doing with guns. 760 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,160 Always have. 761 00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:04,060 I believe you, man. 762 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,480 Thank you again for your time. 763 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,480 This was a real privilege. 764 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,300 And I hope you guys are staying safe. 765 00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:08,680 All right. 766 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,380 Thank you. 767 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:11,180 Coin Telegraph. 768 00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:13,040 Like, subscribe, and hodl. 769 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,480 людейaya. 770 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,860 Have a great time. 771 00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:28,680 Thanks for joining us. 772 00:40:29,580 --> 00:40:29,620 I'll see you again. 773 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,020 Bye-bye. 774 00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:30,720 Bye. 775 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:31,920 Bye. 776 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,120 Bye. 777 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:32,480 Bye. 778 00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:33,220 Bye. 779 00:40:33,620 --> 00:40:35,400 Bye. 780 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:35,980 Bye. 781 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:36,560 Bye. 782 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,340 Bye. 783 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:37,700 Bye. 784 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,160 Bye. 785 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,140 Bye. 786 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:41,280 Bye. 787 00:40:41,340 --> 00:40:42,160 Bye. 788 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:42,800 Bye. 789 00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:44,140 Bye. 790 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:45,120 Bye. 791 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,460 Bye. 792 00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:46,120 Bye. 793 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,320 Bye. 794 00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:48,060 Bye. 795 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:48,940 Bye. 796 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,640 Bye. 797 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,440 Bye. 798 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:51,520 Bye. 799 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:52,300 Bye. 800 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,580 Bye. 801 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:53,280 Bye. 802 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,100 Bye. 803 00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:54,660 Bye.