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The Smoke Radio for the masses.
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Headline of this news is July 8th, 1947.
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The Army Air Forces has announced that a flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the Army.
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If the game is rigged, change the game.
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Game changer.
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I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
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This is Fade to Black with your host, Jimmy Church, on the Game Changer Radio Network and KGRA, the Global Radio Alliance.
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I need your help to get to the year 1985.
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You are listening to Fade to Black with Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Network.
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Good evening.
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Fade to Black.
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The Smoke Radio for the masses.
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Yeah, man.
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Today's Wednesday, January 15th, 2020.
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15 days into the new year.
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Only 351 days left.
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As always, we are live from a bunker.
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A bunker.
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Somewhere in the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank, California.
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And I would like to welcome everybody listening all around the world.
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All across the United States.
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Hither and tither, to and fro, back and forth, up and down, east and west, north and south, far and near.
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This is Fade to Black for KJCR, the Game Changer Network, and KGRA, the planet.
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I'm your host, Jimmy Church.
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What is fracking?
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How you doing?
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How you doing?
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All right.
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You've been waiting for it tonight.
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We have a very special guest.
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Dr. Daniel Estelan is here.
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For our Bilderberg Group special.
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All night long.
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Bilderberg all night tonight.
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Cannot wait for this conversation.
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Haven't done this type of show in a while.
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Jim Mars, right?
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's going to be a great conversation.
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Tomorrow night is another fader night with open lines all night long.
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And look forward to that.
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My favorite night of the week.
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You can follow me on Twitter at JChurchRadio.
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That's easy enough.
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Follow me right there.
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And then the sandbox where all of the conversation happens with you fader nights.
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Well, not all of it.
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Most of it.
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A good chunk of it is hashtag F2B.
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That's right.
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Right there on Twitter.
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That's the sandbox.
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Any questions or comments?
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Hashtag F2BQ.
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Of course, we have two chat rooms.
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We have one over at Spreaker.
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I already said good evening to everybody over there.
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And one over at KGRA, the planet.
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You can also email Jimmy at JimmyChurchRadio.com.
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All right.
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Let's get straight to it.
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Breaking news.
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The entire Russian government resigned today.
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All of it.
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After Vladimir Putin spoke on his new constitutional reforms, that could, depending on how things
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shake out, but could make Putin the Russian prime minister for life.
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And the resignation of the government may sound like a protest, but it is not.
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Dmitry Medvedev, the current prime minister, actually had the entire government step aside
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so that Putin's constitutional reforms could pass through without interference.
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The Russian constitution forbids Putin from standing for re-election as president in 2024.
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However, there is nothing stopping him from becoming prime minister, as he did in 2008
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when he and Medvedev swapped roles for four years.
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And this is how it would work.
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The new reforms are a redistribution of power that will allow the Russian parliament to
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appoint a prime minister, who will then appoint a cabinet to be approved by the parliament.
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The elected Russian president will not have the power to overturn a parliament decision
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or any parliament approved candidacies.
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Now, all of the real Jews, the control of everything Russian, will be with the new prime
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minister and in this case, Vladimir Putin for life.
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That's crazy.
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I don't do politics on the show, but I certainly do the conspiracy of politics.
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And there's one for you right there.
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All right.
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Well, there are those that believe that aliens exist.
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Some people believe they are already here and living among us.
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And according to a YouGov survey of 1,619 adults, nearly one in five Brits, that's
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19% believe it is either somewhat or very likely that extraterrestrial beings are living
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on Earth.
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This figure compares to the two thirds, 66%, who believe it is not very likely or likely
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at all.
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The results of the survey come after British astronaut Dr. Helen Sharman said that aliens
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do exist and that they are already living on this planet.
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Also, more space news.
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Proxima Centauri, the sun's nearest neighbor, may hold a second alien planet.
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Back in August of 2016, astronomers announced the finding of exoplanet Proxima b orbiting
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Proxima Centauri, our closest star to our sun.
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All right.
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It's not that very far away.
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Four and a half light years.
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The new planet is called Proxima C.
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It is at least six times more massive than Earth and may therefore be a type of world
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known as a super Earth.
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Proxima C completes one lap around Proxima Centauri every 5.2 Earth years, making it
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a poor prospect for life as we know it.
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There you go.
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Man, planets every single day.
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Love it.
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Earlier today, General John Raymond was sworn in as the highest ranking leader of the newly
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created U.S. Space Force.
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Can't wait for that new TV series.
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Vice President Mike Pence swore Raymond in as the chief of space operations in a formal
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ceremony at the Eisenhower Executive Office building just weeks after President Donald
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Trump signed a bill designating Space Force as its sixth branch of the military.
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The text of the defense spending bill redesignating the Air Force Space Command as the U.S.
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Space Force also lists Raymond as its leader.
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He previously served as the commander of the Air Force Space Command and developed the
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policy and programs training frontline space operators.
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Well, as announced today, this year's inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame were
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revealed.
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And they are Depeche Mode, the Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, the Notorious
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B.I.G., and T. Rex.
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Who are some of the nominees who didn't make it in?
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Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, MC5, Motorhead, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden, and Thin Lizzie.
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All right, let's get the show cracking.
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Happy birthday to today.
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Regina King is 49 years old.
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Regina played Ice Cube's sister in Friday.
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She's also the star of Watchmen.
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Happy birthday, Regina.
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Forty nine years old.
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Our dead guy's birthday today is Ronnie Van Zandt.
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1948 to 1977, died at the age of 29.
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Of course, he was the lead singer, vocalist, lyricist, and founding member of Lynyrd
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Skinnerd.
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He was the older brother of two rock vocalists, current lead singer of Lynyrd Skinnerd, vocalist
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Johnny Van Zandt, and Donnie Van Zandt, the founder and vocalist of 38 Special.
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On October 20th, 1977, a plane carrying the band between shows between Greenville, South
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Carolina to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, ran out of fuel outside of Gillsburg, Mississippi,
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and crashed.
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Ronnie died on impact, and bandmates Steve Gaines and Cassie Gaines, road manager Dean
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Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary, and co-pilot William Gray were also killed.
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On this day in history, 2009, pilot Sully Sullenberger performs the miracle on the
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Hudson.
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When he safely landed the plane, he was piloting on New York City's Hudson River after a bird
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strike caused its engines to fail.
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Fader fact.
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In 2018, man, this is one of the best fader facts I've ever laid out on this show, and
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I've done a thousand.
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Check this out.
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In 2018, Randy Heiss found a balloon with a Christmas list for Santa while hiking in
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Arizona.
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He tracked down a Diami, an eight year old girl from Mexico, and delivered her wish
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list, toys, clothes, magic markers, paints, and the coloring book.
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And that is your fader fact.
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Tonight, very special guest, Dr. Daniel Estelan is here.
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We're going to be doing billabergs all night on the show.
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So get ready for that.
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It's going to be an amazing conversation.
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No matter what you think you know about the billabergs.
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Tonight, you're going to learn something.
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That's what I'm here for.
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Have I learned something?
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You learned something.
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Now time for me to hit this River Moon coffee.
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Ah, man.
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Ah, this is River Moon coffee, faded black blend with two ad shots of faded black blend
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espresso made espresso style and turned into a white chocolate mocha.
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With foam.
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Oh, man, that's good.
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That's good.
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I'll only be drinking one of those during the show tonight.
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Here we go.
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There is no question that today, the subject of UFOs are front and center.
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All right.
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Always with our community, that's true.
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But now it's the media, scientists, it's astronomers, the public, nations,
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astronauts, community and corporate leaders.
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Everyone on this planet seems to be talking about aliens, ET and UFOs.
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And that's cool. It's great.
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But with all of this chatter, something is being ignored.
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And that is the best, most documented UFO and ET contact cases of all time,
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cases that have been researched and talked about for decades.
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And they seem to have been gotten lost in all of the recent UFO headlines.
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And I think it's time that we start to take a serious second look at them.
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And, you know, just like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
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some cases may feel snubbed for not being included.
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But these are my nominees for the greatest UFO events of all time.
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Number 10, the Mount Adams Beer Can UFO.
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That's right. Trout Lake Washington, 2018.
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My number nine, Shag Harbor, the Shag Harbor UFO crash in Shag Harbor, Canada,
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1967. My number eight, Phoenix Lights,
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the UFO incidents in Phoenix, Arizona, that took place in 1997.
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Then you have the Ruwa School UFO encounter in Zimbabwe, Africa in 1994.
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My number six, Westall in Melbourne, Australia,
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the Westall School UFO encounter that took took place in 1966.
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Calvin Parker, Charles Hickson, that UFO abduction in Pascagoula,
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Mississippi in 1973. My number four.
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The Lonnie Zamora Socorro UFO landing took place in New Mexico in 1964.
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My number three, Malmstrom Air Force Base, Great Falls, Montana, 1967.
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My number two, Travis Walton abduction took place in Arizona,
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1975. And my number one, Rendlesham,
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the Rendlesham Force Bent Waters UFO encounter in the United Kingdom
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took place late December 1980.
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Now, not included on this list, do you feel snubbed?
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Well, of course, there are many, many great documented UFO cases,
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like Roswell, the Phoenix Lights or the Cash Landrum incident.
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And I get that the 1976 Tehran-Iran incident, right?
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The Arequipa-Peru Air Force UFO chase, the Belgian UFO wave,
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the O'Hare Airport UFO, Japan Airlines in Alaska,
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Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan's UFO sightings,
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Kecksburg, Betty and Barney Hill, the Otelove Pass,
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McMinville, Rex Heflin, the Mariana Great Falls UFO film,
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the Lubbock Lights, the 1952 Washington, D.C.
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UFO incident, Trinidad Island in Brazil, right?
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And how about the 1972 South African UFO incidents, right?
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And this is just what pops into my head at the moment.
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There are thousands more, like the recent Puerto Rico homeland
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security UFO video.
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It's incredible.
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But documented sightings are nothing new, the first of which
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dates back to 1440 BC, when, according to the Tully papyrus,
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the scribes of the pharaoh, Thutmose III,
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reported that fiery disks were encountered floating over the skies.
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And these are the scribes' words, not mine.
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Then in 2018 BC, right, Livy records a number of sightings
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during the winter in Rome, Italy, writing
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Venediem Specium De Caelo Adufusis,
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which means phantom ships had been seen gleaming in the sky.
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In 76 BC, also in Rome, according to Pliny the Elder,
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a spark fell from a star and grew as it descended until it
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appeared to be the size of the moon.
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Then it ascended back up into the heavens
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and was transformed into a light.
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And in 74 BC, according to Plutarch,
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a Roman army commanded by Lucilius
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was about to begin a battle with Mithrades VI of Pontus,
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when all of a sudden, and I'm quoting here,
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all of a sudden the sky burst asunder,
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and a huge flame-like body was seen to fall
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from between the two armies.
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In shape, it was almost like a wine jar,
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and in color, like molten silver.
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The silver object was reported by both armies.
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I have researched the UFO phenomenon for over 40 years,
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reading book after book, reports, newspapers, magazines,
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documentaries, done it all.
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When you hear me speak about, interview,
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or present information on the subject,
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it comes from decades of intense study.
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A few years ago, I had a private conversation
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with one of the young UFO celebrities, right?
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Self-made celebrities, by the way,
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who challenged me to bring him on Fade to Black,
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and why I wouldn't return his emails requesting airtime.
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And he said that he was the voice,
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the new, fresh, modern authority on the UFO subject.
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Right?
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And he said this to me as I walked past him, right?
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And I turned around and I said,
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who is Ronnie Zamora?
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Honest question.
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And I just got this blank look, right?
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And I said, okay, who is Bill Johnson?
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Bill Cooper.
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And I got this blank stare, no answer.
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And this actually happened exactly the way
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that I'm saying it to you right now.
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And maybe this self-imposed celebrity
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is listening right now.
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And my response at that moment was this,
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turned right to him and said, man, do your homework, okay?
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Study the history and come back to me in a few years.
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You're not ready to speak to anyone older,
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anyone older than you as the authority,
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the authority, his words, on the UFO subject.
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And I meant it.
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I turned and walked away.
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There was nothing else to say.
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You see, just like anything else, and it doesn't matter.
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It just doesn't matter in the words of Bill Murray, right?
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It just doesn't matter what the subject may be about.
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Doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter.
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Whatever that subject is,
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learn,
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read,
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study,
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absorb.
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And you do all of that from those who came before you.
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You have to put in the time.
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And in some cases, decades and decades of commitment
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to real professional research.
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That's what you've got to do.
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If you want to be an authority,
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you cannot wake up one day.
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And this is, you know, and especially today,
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especially the way the younger generations look at life
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in that everything is instant.
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You don't have to put in the work.
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You don't have to go to school.
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You don't have to go to college, right?
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You can just go play in the NBA or create a YouTube channel,
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become a celebrity, get some Twitter followers,
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become a celebrity, right?
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That's it.
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It's instant because you just can't wake up
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and see something on Twitter or Facebook or Fox News,
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and suddenly think that you deserve to be the new face,
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the new teacher, the new authority on all things UFO,
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or anything.
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If you want people to take you seriously,
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you have to put in the work, the time.
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It just doesn't happen overnight.
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I know this because at one point I was that guy.
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I was that guy who read my first UFO report.
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I was, which was Rex Heflin.
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And that was back in 1972, over 45 years ago.
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And I was nine years old.
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I didn't go and see Rex Heflin
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and suddenly want to become the authority
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on all things UFO.
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That's not how it works, right?
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This is the problem that is happening right now
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in the UFO community because of all of the massive
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UFO coverage that is going on every day in mass media.
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Suddenly people are experts.
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The list of UFO cases that I just gave you,
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the list, the dates, everything was from memory.
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Didn't look it up.
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Literally from memory.
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Personalities today, personalities are now experts
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on every subject.
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They haven't even grown up.
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They consider themselves experts on the UFO subject
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because they've seen three videos over and over again
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on Fox News for two years
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and feel that they can challenge a UFO researcher
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who's been studying cases for decades.
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Direct investigations, interviewing witnesses,
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poring over footage and images
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and fighting the man at every step.
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And that's where we are today.
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My top 10 cases, my top 10 as presented earlier
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are based on years of research
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and you won't find the nimets there because right now
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it's not even a UFO.
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It's cool, I guess.
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But the leap to something not of this earth is a big one
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and it's one that I'm not willing to take at this time.
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It's not.
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But honestly, and those young guns
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that are listening to me right now,
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I mean, take this to heart.
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Go and do UFO research.
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These young guns, and I get the email from them all the time
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requesting airtime on the show.
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I bring some of these kids on
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that are now experts and researchers
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and want to discuss something like the Lubbock Lights, right?
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And I wanna go back in time
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and talk about these significant cases of the past.
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They're not gonna have anything to contribute, right?
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It's nothing but this modern situation
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that honestly probably isn't a UFO at all, alien at all.
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But you know what?
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Ah, honestly, that's what's not most important.
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Not right now.
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What is most important is why Judas Priest wasn't elected
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for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year.
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Now that is a conspiracy of the highest order
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because I like Nine Inch Nails and I like Depeche Mode.
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I really do, I do, I do.
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But they ain't as rock and roll as Judas Priest.
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And I have put in decades of rock and roll research
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to make me an authority on the subject.
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Quote me.
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This is Fade to Black.
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I am your host, Jimmy Church.
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Tonight we're gonna be doing Bilderbergs.
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Now, let me say this before we bring on tonight's guest,
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Dr. Daniel Estelan.
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The Bilderberg group,
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when I first started reading about them,
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and I'm going back now 30 plus years,
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it was one of the most fascinating things.
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And when we talk about the Illuminati and the Puppet Masters
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and the strange underground things in the New World Order,
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right, and you just wonder, could this actually be happening?
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Could this be real?
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And you go and you read this
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and you know that they are getting together once a year
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making decisions about the world,
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that this is real and out front.
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I jumped in.
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I jumped in.
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Everything I could grab on the Bilderberg, I read.
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I studied.
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And the guy is Dr. Daniel Estelan.
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I am so looking forward to this conversation tonight.
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Get ready for this.
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It's gonna be amazing.
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I am here to learn.
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If I learn, you're walking right beside me
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and we are going to learn together.
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This is Fade to Black.
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I am your host, Jimmy Church
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on the Game Changer Network in KGRA The Planet.
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You can follow me on Twitter at JChurchRadio.
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You can follow Daniel Estelan at EstelanDaniel on Twitter.
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Flip it.
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This is Fade to Black
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on the Game Changer Network in KGRA The Planet.
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I'll be right back after this short break.
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Stay with me.
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["Fade to Black"]
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Okay, welcome back.
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Fade to Black.
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I'm your host, Jimmy Church.
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Wanna remind everybody what's coming up.
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It's the Conscious Life Expo,
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February 7th through the 10th, 2020
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at the LAX Hilton.
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Just go to ConsciousLifeExpo.com.
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Daniel Estelan's gonna be there.
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Yeah, that's right.
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We'll see everybody at the LAX Hilton in three short weeks.
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Tonight, it's the Bilderberg Group.
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We're gonna be discussing this all night long.
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And this is the deal.
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Daniel is the preeminent historian of the global elite
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and a PhD of conceptual intelligence.
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He is focused on defining the future
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and exposes world dynamics and agendas.
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He provides the information, the tools,
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the motivation necessary to inspire and catalyze
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the shift as humanity has to make.
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Now, in doing so, his work strengthens movements,
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ensures a more just system,
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and brings us closer to the promise of democracy.
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In his international bestseller,
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The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,
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which has sold 7.6 million copies in 68 countries,
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has been translated into 48 languages.
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Dr. Estelan was the first man to publicly expose
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the shadowy cabal of some of the world's most powerful
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behind the scenes manipulators.
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His website is right there at JimmyChurchRadio.com.
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You can click on it and go check out all things.
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Dr. Estelan, and I would like to welcome
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for the first time to fade to black, Dr. Daniel Estelan.
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Daniel, good evening.
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Thank you so much for the invitation.
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Great to be on your show.
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Yeah, it's great to have you here.
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And as a first time guest, Daniel,
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you get the first time guest disclaimer.
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So let's get that out of the way.
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And it's simple.
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It's just you and I having a conversation
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on my couch as friends,
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and where that conversation starts,
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it starts where it ends, it ends,
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but we're gonna end as friends.
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There you go.
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You ready?
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I thought you were gonna offer me a free T-shirt.
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Yeah, T-shirts in the, hey, hey,
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I'm gonna see you in three weeks.
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I cannot wait.
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I cannot wait.
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You're gonna be sporting your fade to black gear.
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And I really appreciate that.
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And I actually wanna start here,
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because you have stated,
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I have researched the Bilderberg Group,
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and it scares me.
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It really does.
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But you have stated that their main objective
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is to control the world's natural resources.
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And I find that a very interesting blanket statement.
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Let's actually start there.
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Well, what I wanna do is explain
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to people at Bilderberg is now,
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before my book came out,
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I wasn't the first one to actually bring it out
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to the public, there are other people who've done it,
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but because their approach was extreme right wing,
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it certainly didn't have a lot of credibility
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as far as the general public is concerned.
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And what my book has done,
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because people have always had questions
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as to who runs the world,
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who's doing all the stuff around us,
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the coup d'etat, the financial shenanigans,
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the economic meltdowns.
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Is there anyone behind it?
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And then people will be talking about the Jews,
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the Masons, the Illuminati, the all-seeing eye,
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and the point to the one dollar bill.
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But Bilderberg is actually,
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it's a very different organization.
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In the world of international finance,
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there are those who steer the events,
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and those who react to the events.
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Now, while the latter are better known,
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they're greater in numbers,
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and seemingly more powerful,
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you see them on television all the time,
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the true power rests with the former,
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with the people you don't see on television.
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And at the center of this global financial system,
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the financial oligarchy today represented
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not only by the Bilderbergers,
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but also by the Trilateral Commission Council
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for Relations, PNI Circle.
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There are just so many international secretive clubs
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and groups and organizations.
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Now, Bilderberg is not a secret society.
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If there is a true secret society in America,
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it's the Skull and Bones,
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which are the descendants of the Bavarian Illuminati.
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We didn't know anything about them
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until Anthony Sullen brought it out back in 1980.
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So this Bilderberg organization,
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it's a very dynamic organization,
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in the sense that it changes the times,
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absorbs and creates new parts
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while excreting the remains of the decaying parts.
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Now, members come and go,
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but the system itself has not changed.
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It is a self-perpetuating system,
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a virtual spider web of interlocked financial,
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political, economic, and also industry interests
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with the Venetian Ultramontane Fondi model at the center.
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I, again, wanna stress,
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Bilderberg, it's not a secret society.
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They even have a webpage right now.
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In part, thanks to my book,
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it made no sense to have me hold the center stage
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on the Bilderberg, so they created their own webpage.
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But it's not a secret society because we know about them.
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So again, whether it's before,
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we kind of knew that someone was doing something.
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With my book, suddenly these day,
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Faceless and Nameless had names,
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and we could see what they were doing.
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I presented over 200 pages of documents and photographs
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and their deliberations.
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And then I kind of explained to people
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how what they decided at these Bilderberg meetings
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actually came to fruition.
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What's important again is Bilderberg,
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it's not a Cartesian fantasy world
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in which the isolated intentions of some individuals,
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whether we're talking about the Rockefellers
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or the Rothschilds or whoever,
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instead of the dynamics of social processes,
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which shaped the course of history
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as the movement of evolving ideas and themes
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over successive generations,
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it's a meeting of people who represent a certain ideology.
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It's a medium of bringing together financial institutions
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which today are the world's most powerful
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and most predatory financial interests.
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And at this time, it is that combination
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which is obviously the worst enemy of humanity.
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You know what I find interesting?
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And you're exactly right.
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And we always bring up the Rothschilds, right?
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They wanna go in that direction, and the Rockefellers.
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But when you look at somebody
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and you go and you click through the names
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and you look at the histories
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of these institutions involved with the Bilderbergs,
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like Henry de Castries, right?
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AXA, nobody, most of the people listening to you and I
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right now have never heard of AXA,
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what they are, who they are.
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AXA is an insurance company.
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Henry de Castries is a French financier,
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a member of a very important French family,
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aristocratic family.
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And again, it's also part of the Rothschild empire.
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And most people have never heard his name.
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And they don't know about AXA,
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but their global reach into not only the insurance markets
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and who they are insuring,
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but they are also financial advisors
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in just about every continent.
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It is a huge, very influential company making decisions,
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but nobody has ever heard of them running under the radar.
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No, that's it.
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And again, if you kind of look at the list
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of those who attend Bilderberg conferences,
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and again, perhaps we should explain to the audience,
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Bilderberg is a former NATO alliance,
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so basically Western Europe, Canada, and the United States.
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You have other organizations,
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such as the Trilateral Commission,
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which was created by David Rockefeller
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and his big new versions back in 1973,
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which is Americas, North and South,
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Europe and Asia, that's trilateral.
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And you have the Council of Foreign Relations,
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which is the offshoot of the round table,
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Cecil Rhodes round table, going back to England,
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British Empire, London, back in the late 19th century.
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And that's a brother organization in the United States
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to the Bilderbergers, and that includes
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about 4,000 members, and anyone who's anyone,
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whether it's economists, scientists, philosophers,
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business leaders, politicians,
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they're all part of the Council of Foreign Relations.
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The Trilateral Commission has about 300-some members,
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and the Bilderbergers, I guess the word exclusive
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isn't the right word, because they do have only
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about 120, 130 people who come to these meetings annually.
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And if you kind of look at the list of all the attendees
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since the Bilderbergers first meeting back in 1954,
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you're only looking at about a couple of few thousand people.
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So I guess they're more exclusive, but again,
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they're not secret societies.
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The idea behind each and every Bilderberger meeting
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is to create what they themselves call
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the aristocracy of purpose between European
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and North American leads on the best way
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to manage the planet.
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In other words, the creation of a global network
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of giant cartels, more powerful than any nation on Earth,
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destined to control the necessities of life
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and the rest of humanity, which is how things really work.
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I think for anyone out there who really believes
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that we vote for an individual, a he or a she,
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for that person to become president or prime minister,
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and then that president and prime minister
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in the name of the people who voted for him
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or against him, but in the name of,
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for the greater good of a nation,
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represents the interests of a country
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against other interests, that's silly,
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that's really, really silly.
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Presidents and prime ministers
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have absolutely no power whatsoever.
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Now, in 1954, Daniel, when they first got together
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in Bilderberg at the Bilderberg Hotel,
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the original agenda, because they just came off
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of World War II, the Korean War, huge conflicts,
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that it has been said that the original reason
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for the meeting was to prevent another world war.
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And now it's more about free markets and capitalisms
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and different markets on a worldwide scale.
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And one would suggest that is a new world order.
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Am I describing that accurately?
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Well, to a certain extent,
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during the first meeting of the Bilderbergers,
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again, we're going back to 1954,
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and the reason, by the way,
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I'm sure you know this,
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they're called the Bilderberg Group,
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is that the first meeting was held
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at the Bilderberg Hotel in Ustereben,
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on the outskirts of Amsterdam in the Netherlands, Holland.
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And that hotel was, at the time,
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owned by the Dutch royal family.
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And the consort to the Queen Julienne was Prince Bernard.
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And he basically was one of the key individuals
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in putting together these Bilderberg conferences
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because he knew a lot of people,
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both in the Anglo-Saxon world, in the United States,
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in the world of business.
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And I mean, he was a playboy.
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So he knew, he could pick up the phone and call anyone.
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And so when they were putting this thing together,
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they needed someone like Prince Bernard
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to actually get in touch with important individuals
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and get them to work together.
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And so during the first meeting of the Bilderbergers,
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the founding members drew up their mission and their goals.
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Now, the intention behind each of,
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and all of these, especially early Bilderberg meetings,
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was about, again, how to create this aristocracy of purpose.
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The NATO alliance was the crucial base of operation
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and subversion because it afforded them the backdrop
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for their plans of perpetual war,
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or at least for their nuclear blackmail policy.
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Now, if you kind of look at a lot of these documents,
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and again, people are interested.
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People always say to you, so how do you know this stuff?
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Where do you get all these papers from?
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Well, a lot of the founding members
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and also members of the Bilderberg group
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in the United States, once they died,
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they have their state put together a library in their name.
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And if you actually go to some of these places,
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or you go to the United States Congress,
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they have a lot of information, a lot of paperwork,
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a lot of documents about all the Bilderberg meetings.
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So it's, again, it's not a secret society.
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There's a lot of stuff out there.
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So for example, back in 1967,
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some of the back and forth discussions
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between the Bilderbergers,
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they were analyzing their relationship with Charles de Gaulle
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at the time, the president of France, okay?
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And when you look at some of these documents,
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you see these astonishing,
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there's no better word for it,
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observation that all of the French personalities
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who had associated themselves with the Bilderberg groups,
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such as George Pompidou, Antoine Pinay of the Pinay circle,
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Guy Mollet, prime ministers, et cetera,
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they were the strongest opponents
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of Charles de Gaulle's nuclear policy,
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known as the Force de FRAP.
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Pompidou was the prime minister,
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Pinay and Mollet were ministers in the French government.
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So why this alliance?
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Because one of the main objectives of the Bilderberg group
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was to submit the sovereignty of the free nations of Europe
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to a Bilderberger controlled British,
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American one world government,
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using a nuclear threat as a battering ram
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against the rest of the unwilling world.
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Now, in order to control Europe,
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it was vital to eliminate France's nuclear deterrent,
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even when that deterrent was vital
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in containing the Soviet nuclear threat.
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Now, General de Gaulle's biographer, Jean Lecoutin,
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he wrote that de Gaulle had to establish
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an incontrovertible position of strength in Europe
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against Britain's free trade orientation
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towards a new world imperial order.
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So this is why France had to be one of the three pillars
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of the free world,
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as opposed to one of the columns of the European temple.
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So again, it's very interesting
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that if you go through the paper trail,
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there's just so much stuff there.
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So when I hear stuff about the conspiracy theories,
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you know, the people say,
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well, Bilderberg and the Anunnakis and the UFOs,
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it's all the same thing.
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Well, I don't know very much about UFOs,
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but I do know that there is so much information out there
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on the Bilderbergers, on the trilateral commission,
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on their deliberations,
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we have the photographs, the documents,
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we can actually see how will they discuss
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that these meetings became talking points of governments,
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and then how this became, you know, the key propositions
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which were presented to the people
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and approved by parliament,
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and became the global issues
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over decades and decades to come.
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Yeah, because you're exactly right,
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because as far back as like 1964,
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when this chatter started in the political circles
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here in Washington, DC,
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about who the Bilderbergs were
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and what was being done there,
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that our Republican party,
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and you just brought up the right and the left, right?
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When it comes to the Bilderberg group,
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they play both sides.
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Well, it's actually, you know,
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Bilderberg is what in today's world
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you'll call liberal banking financiers.
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Yes.
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Okay, and again,
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so you have, if you're looking at groups,
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it's not left, right,
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it's not Republican and Democratic parties,
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because again, Republicans and Democrats,
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they all belong to the Bilderberg group.
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That's right.
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And they share their agenda.
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And the Bilderberg members, they run central banks,
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and are therefore in a position to determine
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discount rates, money supply levels,
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interest rates, price of gold,
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as well as which countries receive loans.
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So by manipulating money up and down the business chain,
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the Bilderbergs is right and left,
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you have Democrats, Republicans, conservatives,
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and liberals, et cetera, et cetera.
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Okay, they create billions of dollars for themselves.
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It's the ideology of money and lust for power,
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as opposed to ideology of greater good,
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which is what these people are all about.
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Yeah, and I found some of the earliest
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like conspiracy type things that started to surface
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about the Bilderbergs,
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and the questions about them was back in 1964,
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when this rumor started about the Republican Party
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was secretly controlled by members of the Bilderberg group.
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And it seemed like at that point from 64 on,
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we were off to the races about trying to figure out
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the agenda of the Bilderberg group.
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I don't know why 1964, but again,
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if you kind of look at what these people have been up to,
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whether we're talking about the roadmap
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to the Treaty of Rome, which was another key,
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although Bilderberg, again,
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we're talking about Bilderberg 1954.
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So the entire roadmap to the Treaty of Rome
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was actually discussed and put together
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at the Bilderberg meetings.
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And again, if you look, for example,
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I'm just thinking of the initial early meetings.
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The first five Bilderberg conferences
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played a decisive role in the lead up
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to signing of the Treaty of Rome.
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So again, 54, 55, 56, and 57,
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you had two meetings and 58.
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So recognized by the European Union itself
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of the formative event that lies at the foundation
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of today's European Union, the Treaty of Rome.
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So during these early meetings,
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protectionism was successfully subordinated
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to the liberalizing idea of a common market.
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Now, this isn't a conspiracy theory.
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We have documents, Bilderberg 1955 Bilderberg report.
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It's all there.
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It's a 64 page document.
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You just read it, it's in black and white.
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Documents also leaked by WikiLeaks, for example,
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show that there was a general recognition
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of the oppressing need to bring the German people together
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with other peoples of Europe into a common market
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among the Bilderbergers at its third conference
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in September, 1955.
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It was generally recognized that is,
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this is what they say,
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that is our common responsibility to arrive
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in the shortest possible time at the highest degree
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of integration beginning with the common European market.
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That's what the WikiLeaks file show.
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So again, in 1955, the same year in which the
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above mentioned Bilderberg meeting was held,
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there was a revitalization of European politics
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that eventually led to the signing of the Treaty of Rome.
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And after the conference of Messina in June in Italy,
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an intergovernmental conference under the leadership
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of Paul Henry Spock of the Netherlands was set up
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to remove the last obstacles on the path to a common market.
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Okay, Spock like Monet from France,
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they were heavily tied into the Atlanticist
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power elite structure.
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And it always been a staunch supporters
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of European economic supranationalism.
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So again, if you kind of look at what these people are,
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and you realize that again, it's not left right,
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it's both sides of the divide.
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It's the American Republican Democratic parties,
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but it's also every shade
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of European political movements as well.
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And all of them beginning with the first Bilderberg meeting
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was financed by the CIA.
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And we know this because they're documents.
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As a matter of fact, I published it in my book,
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The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,
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a document where CIA, you could see them sponsoring
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and financing the initial meetings, not fully, but in part.
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So again, if you wanna call that a conspiracy,
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theory be my guest.
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I think it's very difficult to do that.
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What the European Union have happened
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without the Bilderberg Group?
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Let me think about it for a second.
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Well, the reason why I say-
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Most likely, again, had it not been a Bilderberg Group,
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there would have been another group
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because the need was there.
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I mean, they were working again.
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Look, beginning on 9th of May, 1950,
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French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman
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proposed to place the Franco-German production
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of coal and steel under a common supranational
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high authority with sovereign powers of its own.
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What followed was the establishment
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of the European Coal and Steel Committee
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between West Germany, France, Italy, and the Benelux,
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the direct predecessors, the European common market.
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In other words, the dream of functionalist integration,
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a term coined by David Mitrony, a political scientist
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who was employed by the British counterpart
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of the Council of Foreign Relations back in 1943,
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that's 11 years before the Bilderberg meeting,
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as the strategy of supranational integration
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through a series of sexual processes
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of internationalization designed to trigger
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an autonomous logic with which ultimately
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make further integration inevitable.
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So that was set in motion.
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So again, back in 1943,
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right in the midst of the Second World War,
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the Russians are beating the Germans back in Stalingrad.
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We don't know what's gonna happen in the rest of Europe
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because it's still controlled by the Nazis.
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The United States is in it, but not fully.
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And they're already discussing this meeting,
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this organization, which was gonna take
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European nations post-war into the supranational
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sovereign power through the establishment
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of some kind of a union, which later became
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the European call and still established
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just before the Bilderberg meeting.
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So again, although called the Schumann Declaration,
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this whole thing was inspired and for the most part
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drafted by the French diplomat, Jean Morne,
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the first president of this high authority,
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although never elected to public office,
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as I said before.
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Those who are not on the front pages of newspapers,
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those who are not in the first row of photographs,
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group photographs, these are the people who run things,
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not the guy who stands in the center smiling.
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So again, aside from this cartoonish textbook description
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as the idealistic founding father of Europe,
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Morne was tied into an extensive network
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of transatlantic connections,
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spending much of his time in the United States.
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Not only was he linked to powerful investment banks
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such as Lazard, Ferris, and Goldman Sachs,
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both in the Rockefeller orbit,
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but he served as President Roosevelt's wartime
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eyes and ears and personal advisor on Europe as well.
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And then French President Charles de Gaulle,
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who blocked for the European integration in the 1960s,
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even conceived of him as an American agent.
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So this only goes to show you that you really don't know
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who these people are actually working for,
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except that you know that they're working
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for this supranational, transnational,
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globalist organizations who have absolutely no interest
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in maintaining any nation state strong and alive.
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And what I find interesting when we talk about,
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you know, a new world order or the new world order,
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as this phrase started to take hold,
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and of course, you know, Bush's famous quotes from it,
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but this was all rooted in a system of goals
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by groups of individuals that needed to have this,
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and that the systems were in place for many decades
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before Bush started running, you know,
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these words into the media, right?
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Well, again, people know of one world order,
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but what George W. Bush said back in late 1980s,
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but you know, because it's pop culture,
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but actually, if you kind of go back historically
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and look at this, they've been talking about world order
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about a thousand years ago.
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So the concept itself is not new, okay?
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The ideology is not so much new world order,
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one world government, as so many people mistakenly believe,
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rather the ideologies of one world company limited,
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corporations that have more power
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than any government on the planet.
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And again, if you kind of look historically as a timeline
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at some of these, how these groups were put together,
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let's say the period between 1648,
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that's, you know, the Treaty of Westphalia,
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where the entire concept of nation state republic
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was established up until, I guess,
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late 1960s of the 20th century,
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let's call that global 1.0.
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And then in 1968, at the Bilderberg meeting in Canada
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in Montreux-Bois, on the outskirts of Montreal,
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George Ball, the then Under Secretary for Economic Affairs
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with John F. Kennedy and Robert Johnson, he said,
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where does one find a legitimate base
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for the power of corporate management
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to make decisions that can profoundly affect
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the economic life of nations to whose governments
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they have only limited responsibility?
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And that's what you could call that global 2.0.
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One world company limited corporations,
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be it Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan,
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that have more power than most governments on the planet.
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And now we're in global 3.0, that's post-industrial world.
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So again, we've seen this change, this timeline,
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but George W. Bush, or H.W. Bush,
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the father of George W. Bush,
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was not the creator of the concept of one world order.
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Let's take our break right here.
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This is Faye DeBloch.
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I am your host, Jimmy Church, I guess tonight.
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I'm with Dr. Daniel Estelin.
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We're talking about the Bilderberg Group tonight, all night.
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It's gonna be a great conversation, stay right there.
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Tonight, Dr. Daniel Estelin,
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and we are talking about the Bilderberg Group.
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And I wanna actually shift gears a little bit.
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It's staying on the same subject, of course,
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about the New World Order,
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but the event is held under the Chatham House Rule,
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which means that participants are free to use information
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from the event,
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but cannot identify or affiliate the speaker
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or any other participant.
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And I would suggest by just that,
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that they are able to speak with one voice then,
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and anybody can now move forward with an agenda
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without saying it was somebody else's idea,
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and then they have one mind moving forward.
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Is that accurate?
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Well, actually, when we're talking about the Chatham House Rules,
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yes, Bilderbergs, they do follow traditional protocol,
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if you can go back to 1919.
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And the Chatham House is commonly used to refer to the Institute itself,
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the Royal Institute of International Affairs,
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which is the foreign policy executive arm of the British monarchy.
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So what does it mean, Chatham House Rules?
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So when a meeting or a part of a meeting is held under the Chatham House Rules,
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participants, they are free to use the information received,
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but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speakers,
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nor that of any other participant, may be publicly revealed.
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In other words, nor may it be mentioned that the information was received
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at the meeting of the Institute.
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So most people are going to say that this is unfair,
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that this is secrecy, and this is some kind of a secret cabal.
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But when you really think about it, and I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying,
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if you really think about it, when you have a football championship being the,
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what's the NFL, the Super Bowl, or the NHL Hockey Championship Final, Game 7,
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or the baseball Game 7, all of these sporting events,
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each team, they have their own strategy, and that strategy is obviously its secret.
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It's not to be revealed to the opposing team, to the media, to the public, et cetera,
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until the game is over and done with.
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So these people follow the same procedure.
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Now, yes, the founders of the Bilderberg Group,
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they based their meetings on the Chatham House Rules,
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because this allows, according to them, for the people, the attendees,
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to speak as individuals and also to express views that may not be those
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of the organizations or the governments that they represent,
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because what basically happens, once you enter a Bilderberg meeting,
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you are magically stripped of your title.
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It doesn't matter if you are a royal consort, if you are Your Highness,
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if you are Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister, it makes no difference.
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Once you become a member of the Bilderberg Group and you're actually at the meeting itself,
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you are no longer these titles.
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You are Mr. Name and Surname. That's what you are.
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So again, that gives them the chance to speak openly and decide and also discuss issues
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which most of the time are not ever going to make it into the public
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until we actually see how this decision-making process becomes the policy itself.
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What do we do with, especially today, or I should say the last 30 years,
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where you have photographs and video of different politicians and corporate heads
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seen entering and leaving these Bilderberg meetings,
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and then six months later, policy happening involving the people that we see leaving
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and entering the Bilderberg Group, right?
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Well, most people don't have the attention span long enough to remember that.
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That's first of all.
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Second of all, again, if you look at the people involved, there's just so much noise out there.
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Journalistic noise, background noise, so much stuff happening.
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Look, in the past, we are in the 15th, well, today is the 15th of January.
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So we actually two weeks into the new year, we've already had almost on the brink of Third World War,
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we had Iran's top military general killed by drone, you had Ukrainian airplanes shot out of the sky,
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the Russian government was dismissed today by Putin, and this is just a couple of events.
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There's stuff happening all over the world.
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In the United States, Western provinces of Canada, they want to secede from the Union,
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they want to become a separate country.
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Mexico is in a state of war with the drug cartels.
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In Latin America, every country is always being burned down to the ground,
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such as the case with Chile or Ecuador.
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Peru doesn't have a president.
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In Colombia, half of the country is against the guy who is running the country.
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Venezuela is not even a country.
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In Argentina, they just flipped the government.
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In Uruguay, they did the same thing.
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In Africa, you have 33 out of 54 countries are at war.
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In Spain, you have Catalan separatists and Basque separatists who want to have their own countries.
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You have Brexit in England.
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You have Yellow Jackets in France.
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They've been at it for 55 weeks or 56 weeks.
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I can't remember.
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In Italy, you have territories who want to become independent countries.
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Corsica in France wants to become an independent place.
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Then you have Eastern, former Eastern European nations, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, all these countries.
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You have this rise of extreme right-wing Nazi nationalism.
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And again, we haven't even touched Asia.
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And then you have the forest fires in Australia.
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And then you have the typhoons and the tsunamis and the earthquakes.
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So people can't remember what happened six months ago, what guy was with, what meeting with whom.
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Because what we do remember is Kim Kardashian.
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We do remember the Golden Globes.
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And two or three other things which have very little to do with the world around us.
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So yes, it's important.
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But people simply their attention span is not long enough to remember or to put this together in context on a conceptual level.
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Well, what I find interesting and you're right, right?
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I just listened to all of your media points there.
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And then we take a look at from Bilderberg's own website, the 2019 topics for the meeting.
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What's next up for Europe?
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That included all of the countries you just named.
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Climate change, China, Russia, the future of capitalism, Brexit, which you also mentioned specifically.
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The ethics of artificial intelligence, the weaponization of social media, the importance of space and cyber threats.
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And I would suggest that everything that you just mentioned was the full meeting agenda in 2019.
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Well, it's going to be also in 2020.
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I mean, I can tell you, I'm not a member of Bilderberg, but you and I are smart enough to understand.
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If you kind of look at what's out there, we can figure out what's important to the people who want to have control of the world.
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And they're losing this.
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You see, the problem for them is the Bilderberg, the Davos Forum, which takes place at the end of January in Switzerland.
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The G7, they're no longer important.
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And the problem for these people, when you kind of look at it, let me actually, before I explain why it's no longer important.
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Again, beyond this common reluctance to reveal the proceedings of these meetings, okay, we're talking about the secrecy.
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It kind of spreads itself from meeting to the meeting.
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So, again, you have the World Economic Forum at Davos at the end of January in Switzerland.
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And that's where all the financiers and the bankers and the sources and the presidents and prime ministers,
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they go there and people from International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and European Central Bank, and the Federal Reserve.
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This is their big schmoozer for the year.
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Then you have the Bilderberg and G7 meetings in April or May.
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Then you have the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, annual conference in September.
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So it's a kind of international consensus emerges.
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And it's carried over from one meeting to the next.
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But you know what?
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There's no one leading it.
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There's no such thing, you know, as you see like in James Bond films, or this big bad guy, you know, with a scar on his face,
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call him Dr. No or Dr. Yes or whatever you want to call him, you know, he speaks with this heavy German accent,
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or a Russian, you know, who speaks with a heavy German accent because a bad guy is a Russian today or Chinese.
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But again, there's no, there's one bad guy who's sitting there.
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He doesn't exist in the real world.
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This consensus becomes the background for the G7 economic communique.
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And that's how this thing works.
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So if you kind of look at it today, in the context of what I just said,
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the problem for all these people is that they don't realize that they're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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They're not going to be able to do it.
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The problem for all these people is that they don't realize that the power they've once had beginning,
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you can go back to 1954 to the Bilderberg meeting,
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or we can go back to the creation of the Federal Reserve back in 1913,
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or the Bretton Woods in 1944, or the Council on Foreign Relations back in the early 1920s.
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The point is all of these organizations, all of them,
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they're part of the liberal banking financier parasitical infinite growth model,
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which today is on its deathbed.
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And the reason we have what we have globally is because the model which has worked,
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again, if you look at it economically, I don't want to go too much into the economy,
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but it's important to understand why Bilderberg today has lost so much with luster.
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Back in the 19th century, you have four economic models.
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You have the British, then you have the Prussian,
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which is German after the war with France in 1870,
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and then you have the American at the end of the 19th century,
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and the Japanese at the beginning of the 20th century after the war with Imperial Russia in 1904, 1905.
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Then after, at the end of the Second World War, these four models became two.
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You had the Western capitalist bloc, United States, Western Europe, et cetera,
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which is, again, Bilderberg, and you had the Soviet and Soviet satellites, Eastern socialist bloc.
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And these two blocs coexisted fairly well between 1944 and 1991.
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In some aspects, the West was better, in other aspects such as the social welfare,
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the socialist countries were better. Demographically, they were pretty evenly spread.
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And then in 1991, when the Soviet Union and the satellites collapsed,
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the economic model became one globally for the entire world.
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It's like the sky over our heads.
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Yeah, for the first time.
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It covers the entire planet.
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Right, right, for the first time.
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And then what happened was, this work between, this is the neoliberalism that worked between 1991 and 2008.
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Then in 2008, the collapse of the Lehman Brothers, what they called the subprime,
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which really wasn't subprime, it was the collapse of the economic model.
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It brings us today because we today don't have a model.
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And the problem with what we see globally, what I've read out a list of places and conflicts globally,
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the reason for that is the consequence of the collapse of the global economic model.
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And Bilderberg and International Monetary Fund and World Bank and European Central Bank and European Union
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and the Federal Reserve, they're all part of this model of its deathbed.
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And it can't be saved.
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It cannot be saved because there is no such thing as limitless expansion on a finite planet
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because the planet Earth has limits.
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And the West, and again, when I say the West, Capitalist West, the Bilderbergs, et cetera, et cetera,
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they were able to extend their lease on life for about a quarter century at the cost of conquering the Soviet and satellite space.
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But once they conquered that and they aided, and regurgitated it,
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there was nothing left to conquer because they've reached the limits of the planet Earth.
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So now you can expand down or up into space.
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There's nowhere else to go.
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So again, when you're talking about the Bilderbergs, they and one of the reasons why so few important people
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are going to go this year to Davos International Forum in Switzerland is because these are all the remnants
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of the liberal banking institutions, which today are no longer in control.
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Now, where does, oh, I would suggest, I wanted to go back to your point,
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that Prince Bernhard could be the evil guy on the other end of the phone.
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I mean, he certainly looks that way.
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Is this, I understand about the expansion into the former Soviet Union and what that did.
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But we still have China, which is ginormous, and we have all of Africa that is that is still in play, don't we?
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There is a big problem with Africa and China.
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Right. China is 1.5 billion people out of those 1.5 billion people, or maybe it's 2 billion.
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We don't really know. But a billion of those 1.5 billion live on one dollar per day.
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That's right. In other words, it's not a consumer society.
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OK, these are the people whose technological advancement is a hole that that that digs a little hole in the ground.
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So they're going to play that tomato. In Africa, you have the same problem.
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You have an entire continent which can and should be developed.
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But there's simply no time to do that because infrastructure takes time.
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And for example, in China, they build 100,000 kilometers of of of very expensive highways.
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But the problem with that to maintain a highway is not free.
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People always say to me, well, I don't understand why I have to pay this paid road.
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They already made their money back. No, it costs one million dollars to maintain one kilometer of asphalt road per year.
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So if you have 100,000 kilometers of roads, which is in miles because you are in the United States and I'm in Canada, that would be about 60,000 miles.
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OK, so if you if you look at the cost for the Chinese to actually work, make sure I repair the 60,000 miles worth of roads per year,
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that's one hundred billion dollars in cash only for repairing roads with the collapse of the economic model.
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Where are you going to get the money, which is one of the problems in the United States?
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Why do you see we have bridges and roads falling, collapsing and, you know, and nothing works because it costs a lot of money to maintain infrastructure in a country.
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And the more developed the country, the more actually the higher is the cost.
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So the problem is with China, with with, you know, with Fiji, with Solomon Islands, with all these places, we have Indians who have never seen a white person is that they simply don't have the money.
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OK, to spend or to buy whatever it is that you're selling, which is why again, we've reached the limits.
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And China is also not a good example because China, the rise of China is due to be included in the American market.
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But because that market is no longer open, OK, China is going through some very, very problematic times.
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Well, OK, and wouldn't the Bilderberg group and the financial arm of the Bilderbergers use that for profit to rebuild the infrastructure in the United States, to bomb a country into dust and rebuild it or to.
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That's what they're doing right now. That's what they're trying to do.
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But the problem is it's no longer a unipolar world that worked, especially between 1991 and 2008, when the Soviet Union was dismantled, the country became part of the liberal bloc.
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And because we lost the war, the Soviets lost the war.
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What had happened was they had to pay reparations.
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Their reparations was all the former territories that were not part of Russian Federation, the Baltic Republic, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc., etc.
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They became part of Western influence.
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OK, but because today it's no longer a unipolar world, OK, that's very difficult to do.
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First of all, second of all, again, economically speaking today, simply not possible to do.
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And also what we're seeing today, because we are in this different stage of Global 3.0, you're looking at the collapse of the concept of nation states.
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In other words, countries are disappearing.
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And what we're seeing is, because again, economically speaking, it's no longer a viable solution for a nation state to stand alone.
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You're seeing countries being replaced by regional economic blocs.
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And in that sense, European Union was an intent to create a regional bloc.
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It didn't work because it was based on liberal banking financier principles.
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BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, that was another attempt to create a regionalized economy.
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OK, so this what we're seeing right now, as I said before, we're going from Global 1.0, which is nation states, to Global 2.0,
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which is corporations running the world, to Global 3.0, post-industrial world, to the concept of dismantling of countries and creation of regional blocs.
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But for a regional bloc to work, it needs to have a minimum population base.
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And that minimum is between three and five hundred million people.
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And if you kind of start looking at the world, and that's the problem, for example, for England right now.
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So you have Brexit, and they're going to leave the European Union.
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They still need a market.
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Where are they going to get the market for three to five hundred million people?
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And that's their problem.
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So the idea of this regionalization of global economies was, for example, one idea, and I talk about it in my new book, which I just finished writing.
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But one idea is that Canada, the United States, parts of Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, that would be one economic region of about five hundred million people.
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That would be a dollar region.
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Then the rest of Latin America would be a, whatever you want to call it, a peso region.
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Then you'd have the European Union on the Berlin-Paris axis without England, with France's African ex-colonies as a source of natural resources.
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That would be another region.
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China would be a separate region.
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India would be a separate region.
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Russia would be divided in half by the Euro mountains, with the West going one way and the East going the other way.
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And that would leave England with the Arab world to create their own pan region.
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So that was one of the ideas that they were looking at.
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We've just got a couple of minutes before the break.
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Isn't China looking at Africa right now for those exact reasons and their own expansion to help sustain their economic growth?
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Well, again, yes, but you have to understand that if you kind of look at One Belt, One Road initiative, what is that?
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That's territorial expansion.
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That's what China is doing.
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You can expand invading countries and killing people, or you can do it subvertively as China is doing right now.
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And One Belt, One Road initiative is exactly that.
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It's territorial expansion.
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It's taking over countries, their natural resources, getting them indebted.
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And that's what they're doing in Africa.
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But again, the problem is Africa doesn't have an internal market.
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China is there to take hold of their natural resources.
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And also make sure that the Americans and the Brits and the Russians and whoever else wants to be there doesn't get at it.
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Because again, a lot of very important natural resources, such as coal, for example, which you need for your telephone, are there in Africa, among so many other things.
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You know, alluvium, diamonds, natural gas, oil, gold, silver, everything.
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It's all in Africa.
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Sure. And everybody seems to have tried this China expansion into Africa.
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France tried it.
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England tried it.
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United States tried it.
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The Soviet Union certainly tried that same expansion.
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And nobody seemed to make it work, right?
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But there is a reason for it.
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The Western mind, which is based on abstract thinking, doesn't understand and can never understand Chinese concrete symbolic thinking.
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After the break, I'll explain to you what China is.
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But the thing is, the Chinese are nothing like the rest of the world.
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They're a completely different society.
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They don't use forks, for example.
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They use sticks.
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They don't have letters.
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They have hieroglyphs, which are visual representations.
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Think of emoji.
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Right.
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When you send a message to a friend via WhatsApp, you send him an emoji, a little heart, a little face, you know, smiling and waving.
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Well, that's a hieroglyph.
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Okay.
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It's a visual representation.
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So the Chinese culture has absolutely nothing to do with the West.
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And the problem with the West is that we try to understand them through the optical Western culture, Western idealism, Western philosophy.
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But you can't understand a culture which has been there for 5000 years of continuous existence, the epicenter of the world through the eyes of Western political philosophy.
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You simply can't.
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You have to understand them from their point of view.
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Would you suggest we've got 30 seconds.
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Would you suggest that China understands the West?
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Of course they understand.
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They do, don't they?
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They understand the West very, very well.
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One of the reasons you have tens of thousands of Chinese students, for example, you have 200 million people living abroad.
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From the first to the last Chinese who lives abroad outside of China is a Chinese patriot.
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He works for his country.
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Every one of the people abroad works.
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He's a cog in the machine of the China nation state, whose concept is greater good, not of individual human rights, which have nothing to do with China, but common good of 1.5 billion people.
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You can't explain that to an American who thinks of freedom of speech, of democracy, of liberalism, of rights to it.
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That doesn't exist in China.
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It's a different society.
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There's no such thing as democracy.
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Okay.
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It's father dictator figure.
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That's what they're about.
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And you can't explain to them how democracy works because it's an anathema to a Chinese 5000 year old culture.
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Let's take our break right here.
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And you know, the flip side to that, Daniel, they add a billionaire a day.
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Let's take our break right here.
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Our guest tonight, Dr.
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Daniel Estelman.
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We're talking about the Bilderberg Group all night long.
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We'll be right back after this short break.
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Stay with us.
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Daniel, I want to I want to get back to China in just a second, but I want to talk about a couple of specifics.
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When it comes to the Bilderberg Group, where I raised an eyebrow and went, aha, OK, and back in 2008, I'm over at my in-laws house and I walk into the news is on and you know, the it's an election year and all that stuff.
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And I see this report break on TV that that Obama's missing from a press flight from a flight.
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And the press corps was there and expecting him.
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I was in Chicago.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And they were well, they were flying to Chicago and and Obama's missing from the flight.
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And then later on that day, the reports came out that he was seen with Hillary arriving and leaving a Bilderberg meeting.
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And then right after that, Hillary drops out of the election when it at that point, I think all of us knew that her and Obama were neck and neck.
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And in some polls, she was actually leading and some thought that she could actually pull this off.
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But she backs out of the race.
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Obama gets elected and Hillary is a secretary of state under Obama from 2019 to 2013.
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That is, is that is that what it seems to be?
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Most likely.
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You know, again, it doesn't really make a difference who is the president of a country.
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Yes, it's a it's a beautiful photo opportunity.
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It's great to put to resume the president of the United States, even get to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
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But the point is that, you know, on the greater scheme of things, when you are if you were talking about the Bilderberg conference or any one of these types of conferences,
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what basically happens is when the representatives of the Western establishment leave a Bilderberg meeting, they carry the group's consensus with them.
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The high powered Bilderberg debates, they're intended to build unity by resolving differences and therefore certainly have a significant influence on the attendees.
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Nobody threatens anyone.
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Nobody tells anyone we're going to kill you.
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We have photographs of you doing, you know, unnameable things with, you know, with with 14 year old child.
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But it's understood, OK, that if you want to play along and if you want to get along certain greater good of these higher ups take precedence over individual political interests.
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And I have no doubts at all that it was decided at the time that some of the policies and some of the foreign policy decisions taken by the U.S.
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government could only be put through if the individual he or she running the country was a dark skinned president.
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In that case, Obama obviously had to win and Hillary, she needed to take a back seat.
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And then they told her when he leaves, then, you know, you can get a go at it and see if you can win.
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So the the picture that I have is that the two of them had a sit down and it was explained.
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Hillary, we need Obama to win.
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You need to back out and and we'll get you a position here.
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And I guess that was agreed at that time for her to be secretary of state.
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The agreement was made and that policy decision was decided at the Bilderberg meeting.
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And and that's exactly how it played out.
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There was no reason for her to drop out of the race at that point.
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Well, we don't know. But again, most likely, that's what it looks like anyway.
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Right. And then again, it's not very difficult to project.
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No, she's you know, she was given a choice.
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So, you know, he's going to run and he's going to win.
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And again, it makes really no difference whether it's one side or the other,
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because the people who really control both parties are the same people, the same organizations.
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And so what happens is that Obama runs and he wins in 2008.
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He wins in 2012 and then he stays until 2016.
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And then in 2016, she runs against this guy by the name of Donald Trump and she loses.
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But again, what had happened was I don't know if you want to go into this
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or if you want to get back to China, just let me know if you want me to explain how this played out.
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I can explain it. But if not, I'll be more than happy to go to China.
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No, we can stay right here. I don't do.
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See, this is the thing, Daniel, and I know you can appreciate this on this show.
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I don't do politics. I don't. I don't. I'm not interested in it.
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I'm interested in the conspiracy of politics.
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That's where the real fun lies for me.
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And I know that what happened was you see the Donald Trump is not really an American president.
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I'm not saying he's you know, he's an extraterrestrial.
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What I'm saying is he represents an alternative project.
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He is the face of an alternative group. He's not a person.
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He's a project. And what had happened was before 2008,
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you couldn't have anyone who was not part of the liberal banking project.
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And again, it doesn't make a difference whether you're a Republican or a Democrat,
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if you're running on any other ticket, whether in Canada you are liberal,
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as is the case with current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
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or you're conservative, as is the case with the people who lost the elections to Justin Trudeau,
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because they all represent the same ideology, the same global financial interests.
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Now, what had happened was that up until 2008,
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it was physically impossible for an alternative group anywhere in the world
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to present a candidate who could actually maybe win, okay, or at least fight,
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a fair fight and have a chance at winning the presidency,
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because every institution in the world, from the big international institutions
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such as the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, Federal Reserve of the United States,
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the banks, the think tanks, the foundations, the private and secretive societies,
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they were all under the control of the liberal banking financiers.
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They control the purse strings. But after the 2008 collapse, okay,
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again, they call it the Lehman Brothers, they call it the subprime,
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but it's the collapse of the global financial system.
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Okay, suddenly, people who for a very long time had no chance at winning the election finally had a chance.
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And Donald Trump simply is a project of this alternative group.
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If you kind of look at all the other candidates whom he defeated in the Republican primaries,
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I can't remember, 16 or 17 of them, I can't remember. It doesn't make a difference.
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All of them, each and every one of them, except Trump,
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they were liberal banking financiers beholden to the global financial interests,
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as was every candidate running for the Democratic Party.
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And so Trump ended up beating all of the Republican contenders,
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and then he did the same with Hillary Clinton, because again,
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he represents an alternative global project.
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And Trump became president of the United States, and I'm not supporting Trump, obviously,
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but I'm saying it, and I can't, because first of all, I'm not American, and second of all, I couldn't care less.
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But it's important to understand that what Trump is doing, he became president with a very clear agenda.
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One, dismantle current economic model, which is Bretton Woods, and that's what he's doing right now.
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He's destroying it globally.
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And two, destroy the petrodollar system, which is a system of his enemies,
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the liberal banking global liberal banking financiers.
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So what we're seeing right now, not only in the United States, but in every country in the world,
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in China, in Russia, and today is a good example of Putin, who is not a communist, who is not a socialist.
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He's a right-wing conservative like Trump.
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Putin and Trump get along very well because they're both right-wing conservatives.
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And the thing is, both of them have the same problem in their countries.
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Putin is surrounded by liberal banking financier traitors.
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Every person in the government whom he dismissed today works for the West.
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I don't know if you know this, Jimmy.
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Russia's economic policy is not written in the Kremlin.
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It's written in the offices of International Monetary Fund in Washington.
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The general director of Russia's central bank, they'll be the chairman, the power of the Federal Reserve,
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she doesn't take orders from President Putin.
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She takes orders from the director of the International Monetary Fund.
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They give you an idea who controls Russia's economy.
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And so Putin firing today the entire cabinet from the prime minister, because Putin is not the government.
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Putin is above the government.
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It's not like in the United States where you have president and vice president.
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In Russia, the prime minister is the head of the government.
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And the entire government apparatus is run by the liberal banking financiers who have been destroying Russia for about a quarter century.
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But Putin simply didn't have the power to do anything about it because up until 2008,
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the entire edifice of global economy was controlled by these people.
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And what you're seeing today, this tectonic transformation, global transformation,
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which is again, as I said before, the Bilderbergers, the Davos, the trilateral commission,
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these organizations are losing a lot of their power because their strength, which was the emission center,
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in other words, the little machine that prints money that you and I unfortunately don't have,
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no longer gives any benefit to the economy.
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And with all of that being said, when we talk about specifics when it comes to the Bilderberger group,
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is going back to 1991 when Vernon Jordan said, and this predates, and again,
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a Republican Democratic agenda here when it comes to the Bilderbergers, they don't see that.
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They see what's going to fit their agenda.
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But Vernon Jordan was quoted, he said, in 1991, I took Bill Clinton to the Bilderberg meetings in Baden-Baden, Germany.
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The Bilderberg meetings have been going on since 1954, sort of the North American-European alliance.
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Well, later, after Clinton won the election, Jordan said, and I'm quoting here, this is public record,
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the steering committee of the Bilderberg came to Washington in January,
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and I called the president up and I said, Mr. President, they're here.
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And he came to the Four Seasons Hotel, and the Europeans felt like they owned him because they met him when he was totally unknown.
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Now, why would Vernon Jordan go public with something like this,
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which would suggest ownership of the United States president by the global elitist of the Bilderbergs?
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First of all, you do know your stuff. You're the most knowledgeable radio personality I've ever interviewed me on the Bilderbergers.
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I've never met anyone who knows more about the Bilderbergers than you do. So congratulations.
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Well, the thing is that, going back to your point, what Vernon Jordan said, and Jordan, of course, is a very good friend to the Clintons,
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David Rockefeller also said in his memoirs, because again, at the same 1991 Baden-Baden-Bilderberg meeting,
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David Rockefeller approached this unknown senator from Arkansas by the name of Bill Clinton,
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and he said to him, Bill, we have this thing that we're working on called North American Free Trade Agreement.
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And if you were to become president, would you support it? And of course, Clinton had no idea what he was talking about.
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So Rockefeller gave him a brief masterclass on what the North American Free Trade Agreement was all about.
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And he said, would you support it? And Clinton said, David, is it important to you? And Rockefeller said, it's very important to us.
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And so Clinton said, of course I would. And Rockefeller extended his hand and said, thank you, Mr. President.
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Well, the rest is history. He wins in 1992. It's the economy, stupid. You remember that? And the rest is history.
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Then we have the bombing of Yugoslavia. Then we have the Monica Lewinsky thing and everything else.
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But again, the whole point is that the 1990s was wholesale takeover of Russia. They destroyed a country.
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Again, if you think, one of the reasons why there's so much, it's not that the Russians hate the United States.
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The Russians don't. They love the United States. Normal people, they love America. But America and the government are two different things.
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What had happened was in 1989, if you look at the entire Soviet bloc, Soviet and the satellites of former republics,
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the members of the Warsaw Pact, Poland, et cetera, et cetera, there were only 14 million people living, which you would call poverty level.
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Seven years later, after the collapse, the demise of the Soviet Union, all the satellites, you know,
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it was the loans for share scheme where 40% of the population lost everything overnight.
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Seven years later in 1996, these 14 million poor became 168 million poor. 25 million killed themselves,
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dragged themselves to death because they lost a country. Everything was taken away from them.
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And suddenly you had these third great hacks from Harvard University coming in and telling economists with doctorate degrees in Russia
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how the Russian economy needed to be run. They destroyed the country was done on purpose.
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And Clinton and this entire Bilderberg liberal crowd, they oversaw the whole operation.
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And with the way that it is now, and I'm talking about the way that the Russian economy is now,
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is the only way forward for them is to not only walk away from the petrodollar, but to look towards gold,
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their own natural resources and not worry at all about the West and their decisions?
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One of the reasons why the entire government was fired today is that since,
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and you're not going to see this in the mainstream publications because they don't know either,
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Russia has had a continuous decline since the last three-mester of 2012.
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So 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19. Seven years, that's 28 trimesters.
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The last one is 2012, that's 29 straight, the country is going down to hell.
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There's simply no way it can withstand another year.
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If Putin waits another year to fire a government, you have a revolution in Russia.
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And you remember what happened the last time we had a revolution in Russia back in 1917.
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Nobody wants that to happen, especially today when we have all these nuclear weapons in place.
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So the point is, the only chance you have today, not only in Russia, but globally,
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to save ourselves as society is to come up with an alternative economic model.
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Because this model, based on infinite growth on a finite planet, is dead as a doorknob.
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And so unless we can come up with something else, which is again, what is that?
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That would be Yalta II or Bretton Woods II.
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And that would be decided about a year after next presidential elections in the United States.
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So say November 2020, that would be like at the end of 2021, beginning of 2022, where the great powers,
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the United States, Russia, China, India, it's a 1.5 or again, maybe 2 billion people nation,
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they would sit down at the table, at this great proverbial round table.
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And they would need to come up with the rules and regulations for a new global order, not one world order,
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not one world government, but a new global order post collapse, post Bretton Woods.
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And that's what you're seeing right now. Because again, if you look at it globally today from a conceptual perspective,
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the concept of Yalta, the concept of nation states, borders, constitutions, rules and regulations,
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agreements between nations, that has been absolutely destroyed by Trump, but not only by Trump,
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by European nations, by Russia, by China. It's the entire edifice which we've created.
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Again, going back to 1648 Westphalia Agreement, that is being absolutely dismantled,
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which is why again, the great powers will need to sit down and conceptually present an alternative to an economic model.
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But the problem with that is that in the West, there is simply not a language to describe what needs to be done.
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By language, I don't mean English or Spanish, German or French.
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You're talking about text.
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The language of economy, because the entire Western world is run on economics.
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The Soviet system is run on Marxism and the philosophy of Adam Smith,
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where the concept of limits to growth is well understood, which is why the Soviet Union had political economy.
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But in the West, in the capitalist world, you can't have limits to growth, because capitalism needs to expand continuously.
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It simply cannot be done. So what they have done in the West is they eliminated the political aspect
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and they've created this pseudoscience called economics.
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In the economic science, pseudoscience, you can have limitless growth, but in the real world, you can't.
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So because the entire Western world, and I'm talking about business schools,
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whether it's London School of Economics or Warden School of Business in the United States, think tanks, foundations,
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economic institutes, governments, the bureaucracy, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, etc., etc.
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None of these institutions speak a language that could define an alternative economic model,
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because all of them, the past three generations, have lived within the contours of this model, which is now dead.
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And the only country in the world that does have a language,
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and at one time had a very successful alternative economic model, was the Soviet Union.
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Why did the Soviet Union collapse? It goes beyond the scope of this interview. Perhaps we can talk about it the next time.
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It actually has very little to do with economic deficiency.
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But again, that's a story for another day. But the point is, the Soviet Union does have a model,
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because we've never been included into the United States market,
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and we've always had our own separate philosophy and professors and institutes and think tanks, economically speaking.
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So the Soviet Union, or Russia today, has the people to sit down and create in a relatively short period of time,
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meaning six to eight months, an alternative economic model, which then can be used globally.
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And it has nothing to do with communism. It's an alternative model to the current model of limitless growth,
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which simply cannot exist on a planet with finite natural resources and finite space.
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Well, let me jump in. I've just got to, I need to respond to this. I've just got two minutes before the break.
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In that, I married into a Russian Armenian family.
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Okay, my wife was born in Moscow, graduated from Moscow State University.
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And these discussions about Russia, I have been having at a very direct level since they left the Soviet Union, right, in 1991.
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And I think that I have a pretty firm grip. But to respond to this, the one stable thing about Russia right now is Putin.
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Absolutely. Without Putin, the country would have disappeared 20 years ago.
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Totally agreed. And they know this. It's the one stable thing that they can count on. And he has been there.
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And that, it's a fascinating aspect of Vladimir, in that he can do no wrong. His image is, he stands up to everybody.
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He's strong. And that's exactly what any country would need. And certainly, Russia has that today in Vladimir Putin.
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Do you know the image that Putin has been referring to recently is the image of Stalin as the ultimate Soviet leader.
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And in fact, in Russia, 90%, 90, 90% of Russian citizens, they are for Stalin. Not so much for Stalin as a man, but for what he stood for and represented.
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In other words, personal responsibility. Okay? And that's something that bureaucrats, I don't care which country you are, whether it's Russia or the United States, take no personal responsibility for anything.
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And one of the things with Stalin is you take personal responsibility. You get to do a job, you don't do it, you get a bullet in the back of your head.
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That's right. You steal, you get a bullet. And that's something that people in the United States, there's $21 trillion missing.
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As we were talking about in the United States, and we were talking about there's no money for healthcare benefits for the entire nations.
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You return the 21 billion, you stole, trillion, you stole 21 trillion. There's enough money to give health benefits to the entire country.
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To the entire planet. Let's take our break right here. Our guest tonight.
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And let's do China after.
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Yeah, we'll do straight to China when we come back after this break. Talking the Bilderberg Group all night, our guest, Dr. Daniel Estelin.
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This is Faded Black, I'm your host, Jimmy Church. Stay with us.
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Welcome back, Faded Black, I'm your Jimmy Church.
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Our guest tonight, Dr. Daniel Estelin, we're talking the Bilderberg Group.
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And you can go to his website. By the way, the links are over at jimmychurchradio.com.
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It's english.danielestelin.com. But everything that you need is right there and including his books.
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And Daniel, you know, talking about my Russian family, and we're going to move straight to China here.
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In that I know so many, my extended family and the friends and our groups and getting together here in Burbank, strong community.
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And I know Democratic Russians, I know Republican, I know some that are neither.
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I know atheists, religious, I know if believe in UFOs and not whatever.
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Right. But I'll tell you what, you talk bad about Putin and you might get yourself hurt.
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And that is the one common denominator.
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And now, as if I was a world leader right now, looking at the stage, a world leader, not only as a state,
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a world leader, not only as a state actor or in politics, but in religion or corporations, energy sectors, any type of trade, military,
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a union and chumminess between Russia and China right now is the one thing that I think would freak everybody out.
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And it's inching closer in that direction.
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Not really. Again, the problem with understanding China is understanding how they think.
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Yes, Russia and China can be together and they can be close.
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But that all depends on what we as a country present conceptually.
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One of the things you're looking right now, as I said to you before, the age of countries, nation states is coming to an end.
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You have a new age, the age of regionalized economies and also global projects.
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Now, for a project to be global, it needs to have certain characteristics.
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One, you need to have global conceptual outlook.
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Two, you need to have independent global financial system.
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And three, you need to have global independent intelligence apparatus, which is why, again, for example,
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Japan cannot be a global player because not all of these three elements they possess.
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They're not an independent country in the sense that they're controlled by the United States.
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The same can be said with Germany. It's an occupied country by the United States.
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So globally, you're looking at today at six global projects.
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One of them is you can say New Babylon, always just call it New York.
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It's Wall Street. It's financial institutions. It's the liberal banking financiers.
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Another project is London. You can call it New Jerusalem. You can call it London.
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It's a project run by the Rothschilds and the Kabbalists.
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Another project is Great Europe, which is the European Union.
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Vatican used to be an independent project, but then in 2012 with the pedophile scandal, etc., economic scandal,
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they lost that independence, and they now are part of the European project.
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Then you have the Eurasian global project with the capital of Moscow.
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That's not Putin. That's Eurasia.
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Just like Great Europe is not the pope of the Vatican or the president of the European community, but Rome.
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The next project is Chinese Datun, the great union of China.
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And the sixth project is the Red Turkish Sufi caliphate.
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Now, the Russians and the Chinese can work together, but what you're seeing right now globally, especially in Europe,
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is on the one hand you have this pull where the Europeans want to take Russia towards closer European integration,
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which you would call Moscow Third Rome.
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And that's bad for Russia because we would simply be a natural resource center for the Europeans
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and also their military protector.
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Now, for us to develop as a country, we need to have close integration with China.
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And that would mean what you could call the great horde of Chinggis Khan III.
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If the first horde of Chinggis Khan was the Chinggis Khan Empire,
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the second Chinggis Khan Empire was the union between Stalin and Mao Zedong in 1950,
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which was a carbon copy of the first Chinggis Khan Empire.
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The third empire would be the Eurasian Union, which is part of Russia and also China, where they're one belt, one road.
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But for these two projects to actually become this third Chinggis Khan project and become a danger to the rest of the world,
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again, not a danger, but this economic and political integration would work because these two countries standing back to back
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will be protecting each other, not shoulder to shoulder, but back to back.
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But for that to work, Russia would need to present conceptually their idea of the future.
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The Chinese have an idea of the future, their future.
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They've been at it for the last 3000 years, but it's their regional future.
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For the Russians to work with the Chinese, they would need to present their concept.
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But because Russia until today was run by the liberal banking financier clique beholden to Western global elite,
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that was simply impossible.
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And if you look, for example, at the economic trade between Russia and China, we're looking at about $100 billion.
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China and the United States, that's over $700 billion.
01:51:47.720 --> 01:51:53.720
Even Australia has a bigger margin with China than Russia.
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It's $130 billion as opposed to Russia, which is only $100 billion.
01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:06.720
So we have a long way to go to integrate our two countries into this one conceptual idea, which could work.
01:52:06.720 --> 01:52:13.720
But again, we as a country, we need to present an image of the future, which we as a country today don't have.
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Well, they have, you know, I don't know how many thousands of miles of common border.
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You have that aspect of it.
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But just looking at it in the basic sense, Russia is loaded with untapped natural resources.
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Well, that's the problem for us because we have very small population base, $140 million, which is actually decreasing by about 2030.
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We're going to be down to about $122 million people.
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You're talking about Canada.
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$140 million, $222 million, which is nothing.
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It's a peep squeak country, $122 million people.
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:55.720
Now China, which has over a billion and a half people, they don't have a lot of natural resources.
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We have a lot of resources and no people.
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If you actually look at the borders between Russia and China, most of it has been taken over by the Chinese.
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This encroachment, silent encroachment has been going on for decades.
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There's over, I can't remember, 15 or 20 million Chinese who actually have taken over and living within over 100 miles of Russian territory.
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And these are the Chinese.
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Just think 20 million Mexicans have come over and taken over large chunks of American territory.
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And now they call it Mexico.
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Well, that's what's happening in Russia.
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And staying with China for a second, you brought up something in your opening statement on the program tonight, which is space, right?
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Earth is finite.
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The future of everything is out there amongst the stars and in the solar system.
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China is very well aware of that.
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And their space program is moving forward at the fastest clip, probably more dominant than anything else on this planet at the moment.
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And that is their focus.
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The economy is up in the stars, isn't it?
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It's up in the stars because, again, if you can't expand here, you have to expand up.
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And that's what the Chinese are doing.
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That's what everybody is doing.
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You need to expand into space.
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Space is the final frontier.
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So we're talking about energy, for example, energy sources.
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We can talk about oil.
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We can talk about gas.
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Or we can go and talk about helium in space.
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How many people even understand what helium is?
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If we're talking about, for example, helium-3, OK?
01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:44.720
Now, everybody talks about natural gas and oil and carbon and wind and whatever else.
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They talk about green energy.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
01:54:55.720 --> 01:54:56.720
And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
01:54:57.720 --> 01:54:58.720
And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:00.720
And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:03.720
And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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And they talk about helium-3.
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would be the cleanest, longest-lasting, and safest energy on the planet Earth.
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And you have enough in space on the Moon, because again, problem on Earth, we can't
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have it because we have atmosphere.
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But on the Moon and out in space, you have it.
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There's enough on the surface of the Moon, you can literally scoop it up with your hand,
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to last 2,000, to give 2,000 years worth of clean, long-lasting energy for the planet
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Earth.
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And for all of the more than 8 billion people on Earth today to enjoy a standard of living
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exhibiting the potential advantages of currently existing technologies, the world power consumption
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must be 10 times its current level.
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And no amount of burning fossil fuels can successfully meet this demand.
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So we must turn to the higher, more energy-dense forms of fire, in quotes, of nuclear fission
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and especially nuclear fusion.
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Therefore, it means we're making a leap in the amount of power available per capita
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and per square kilometer for the territory in the Earth, in the Moon, and beyond.
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Now, in April 1988, a meeting was held by NASA to understand the potential of using
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helium-3 from the Moon for the terrestrial fusion power production.
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The fusion power session concluded that, first of all, the helium-3 offers significant,
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possibly compelling advantages over fusion of tritium, principally increased reactor
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life, reduced radioactivity waste, and also high-efficiency conversion.
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So as a fusion fuel, helium-3 offers specific advantages beyond any fuel accessible on Earth.
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In a fusion reaction, what you have is you have two light nuclei.
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Again, I have two doctorate degrees, which is why I can explain these things.
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In a fusion reaction, you have two light nuclei combined to form a new element.
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And in doing so, they release energy in the form of particles and electromagnetic radiation.
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So while fusion in general is 100 times more energy-dense than fission, which is 100,000
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times more energy-dense than fossil fuels, not all fusion fuels are created equal.
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A fusion reaction of deuterium and helium-3 releases a lot more than any fusion reaction
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available to us.
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And its products are almost entirely in the form of charged particles rather than neutrons.
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What I'm trying to say is, from a technical vantage point, industrial materials processing
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on the Moon, because we can do this on the Moon, okay, we don't need to come back to
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Earth, we can process all the stuff on the Moon, will be significantly different than
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conventional Earth technologies, which require vast amounts of water, chemicals, and also
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other volatiles that do not exist in the lunar environment.
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The thing is, if we can develop helium-3, we can go to Mars in a question of about
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four to five days.
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Right now, if you go from the planet Earth, it's a 300-day trip, and because of the lack
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of gravity, when we get to Mars today, we're basically going to get there as jello with
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ice because our bones will lose the density.
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So the project that we're looking at right now is a three-generation project, which
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is an infrastructure problem.
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Earth, Moon, Mars, a three-generation project.
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And again, fusion has great advantages, even over nuclear fission for materials processing
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in other industries.
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It requires a small amount of fuel, and most of the fuel is already on the Moon, helium-3.
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It produces no waste that requires recycling, and it requires virtually no radiation protection,
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and it can make use of direct conversion technologies, which again, help us get rid
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of steam turbine.
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So from a very small amount of matter can thus come an inconceivably abundant and non-polluting
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source of energy.
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And again, as Russian cosmonaut Aleksandr Volkov said back in October 2014, he said,
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There's water on the Moon, and there's helium-3, which is better than any other energy source
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existing on Earth.
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One day we will run out of oil and coal, and humankind will need energy.
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Then we will start supplying it from the neighboring planets.
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And so where will this helium-3 come from for the fusion reaction?
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Well, the solar wind, which constantly spews high energy particles and radiation from the
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the solar system, has been found by spacecraft probes to contain about 20 parts per million
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particles of helium-3.
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So again, we have enough technology to get to the Moon and actually start mining helium-3,
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because helium-3 on the Moon will not be an unlimited energy supply, but it could function
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as a one-century bridge to the recovery of virtually limitless helium-3 from outer space.
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When do we see helium-3 on the Bilderberg agenda list for the next meeting?
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I don't know.
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We may never see that, because again, Bilderberg is anti-progressive development.
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They want to create, call it human zoos, where nations of human zombies roam the Earth, destroying
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and dismantling anything in sight.
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That's the world that they want.
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It's the old dictum of the British Empire.
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Now, I know we're running out of time, so in closing, just to close this helium-3 thing,
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these types of projects, they would result in an explosion of economic development, technological
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progress, scientific progress, cultural optimism, and also greater purpose, while unifying the
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entire world around the common idea of greater good in a post-crisis world.
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Because again, the entire world, not only North America or Europe, but Latin America,
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Africa, Southeast Asia, we are so mortally threatened by physical degradation, you know,
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narco-terrorism, cultural pessimism, and also the advocates of this one-world government.
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We as a society need progress.
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We need technological progress.
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We need scientific progress.
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We need cultural progress.
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Not merely to become richer or more powerful, but because we need to be immortal, as no
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animal can be.
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We need to participate in the discovery and application of universal physical principles
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that no animal could do.
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And when we, the people, find our motivation and our morality in that, we become morally
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and spiritually invincible.
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You know, our mortal life has a beginning and an inevitable end.
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What then is our immortal interest in being a person?
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You know, all of the leaders, Jimmy, of society, especially in times of crisis, they're leaders
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because they measure up to some approximation of that standard.
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Even in good education, especially good moral education, we educate our children and others
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to understand this principle of immortality.
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Because when we generate and transmit discoveries of principle to our children and also to those
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who come later, we live forever in the history of mankind.
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Our mortal existence is no longer a matter of a beginning and an end because our mortal
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existence is a place in eternity from which we radiate the experience of generations
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before us and also radiate our existence into the future.
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We become the mortal children of the creator of the universe, and we become one with the
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universe.
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And that's something that the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, all these other
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groups and secret and private societies and entities want to make sure we have no way
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of reaching these objectives.
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And aren't we starting to, independent of these puppet masters, aren't we starting
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to understand this now?
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Aren't we starting to develop this philosophy just out of becoming more mature and starting
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to grow up?
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I think we're better at deciphering the idiot speak and the fake news and the propaganda
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techniques.
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We're not very good at understanding it because there's just so much coming at us from so
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many different directions that to be able to understand it, you have to get rid of
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the noise.
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And that sometimes is very difficult to do.
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Well we went through it.
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In 2016, especially when I look at the 2019 Bilderberg meeting topics, right there, there's
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topic number nine, the weaponization of social media.
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And what the world, not just in the United States, went through with fake news and the
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pollution of social media, we started to recognize just that.
02:04:55.980 --> 02:05:01.820
And hopefully we're starting to run filters as to whether it's not only fake, but stuff
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that is weaponized and used against us.
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And we know that we're being divided, right?
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We know this every single day.
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You just see it play out, don't we?
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You know, to overcome the crisis, and it's a societal crisis on a global level, it's
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not just the United States or China or Russia.
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We need a fundamentally new philosophy of relations with nature.
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I think we must rethink, and not just rethink, unthink, not rethink.
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Not only the geoculture of the Enlightenment, but also Christianity with medieval theology,
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coupled with ancient philosophy, starting from its father's foundations in another
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intellectual way, taking, in other words, into account all or almost all of the intellectual
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and political mistakes made in the subject stream of historical development over the
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past 25 centuries.
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We need the Promethean-Faustian spirit of burning.
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We stand on it and cannot do otherwise.
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was the first real piece of technology.
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The Titan Prometheus gave humankind fire, a gift he stole from the gods.
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And so Prometheus represents the ability of humankind to discover new forms of technology,
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new universal physical principles, and to incorporate these principles and new forms
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of technology into the life and lives of the human species to change the relationship of
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human beings with the universe as a whole.
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The world is living through the last relatively calm decades before the, I call the Matryoshka
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crisis, which had no analogs and which it seems will sweep away not only capitalism
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with its supporters and opponents, but also the entire post-Neolithic civilization.
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I don't know how many people will be left once this whole thing is said and done.
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But what I do know is that the new society which will come after will most likely be
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different from the civilization of the pyramids in a sense that the Egyptian pyramids are
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the main symbol of the whole post-Neolithic era, no less than it differed from the Paleolithic.
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So again, I don't know what's coming.
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But what I do know is the changes we will witness over the next very, very few years
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will be something that we have never seen in the history of mankind.
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Tremendous words, Daniel, tremendous.
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We're going to see you in three short weeks here in Los Angeles.
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What are you going to be speaking about this year at the Conscious Life Expo?
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I have two presentations.
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Once on a trans evolution, the coming age of human deconstruction, the concept of humanity,
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post humanity and different technological advancements within the society itself.
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And my first conference is going to be on the build the burgers on secret societies
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on private organizations, on basically the entire gamut and spectrum of all these pyramidal
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structures that control us from beyond.
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They just tweeted out, they just bought your book, the Tavistock Institute, but they said
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every paragraph is the mother of all bombs.
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God bless you.
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Don't spend too much time reading it at night.
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Thank you so much, Daniel.
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It's a great book.
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Tavistock is a great book.
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I mean, Bill Niblett sold, you know, gazillion copies in 68 countries and 40.
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I can't remember how many languages, you know,
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but the thing is, is that I haven't really looked at my bill libric book in about 10 years.
02:08:52.960 --> 02:08:54.960
Tavistock is an amazing book.
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Also, my book called Trans Evolution, the Coming Age of Human Deconstruction.
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That's also an amazing book.
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It predicts a lot of the things written back in 2013.
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I think it was predicts a lot of the things we're seeing right now, you know.
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But anyway, I'm looking forward to the conferences.
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I'm well familiar with the format.
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I've done interviews with George Nouri.
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I love Gaia.
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And I needless to say, we'll have a lot of time, you know, to talk and to exchange points of view
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with the listeners and the viewers who most likely attend the conferences.
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Yeah. Thank you so much, Daniel.
02:09:32.840 --> 02:09:35.840
And I look forward to having you back on the show
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where we can go into all of these other geopolitical...
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We never talked about China in the end.
02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:44.920
We don't have to go there, but we can certainly go into...
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You know, you said to me before the show, you said, two hours is going to go by fast.
02:09:48.920 --> 02:09:49.920
I thought to myself, really?
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Well, you know what?
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It went by really fast.
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It's so much fun when the guest is like you.
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And I really enjoyed it.
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And so did the audience.
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Twitter has just been on fire tonight.
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Thank you so much for the invitation.
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And we'll see you in three weeks, man.
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Stay safe.
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Absolutely.
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Safe travels.
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Take care.
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Good night.
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Daniel Astelan.
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The links for everything and all of his books and his current stuff is right there at JimmyChurchRadio.com.
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Go and click on it.
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It's English.DanielAstelan.com.
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This is Fade to Black.
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I'm your host, Jimmy Church.
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Great conversation.
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I'm going to go ahead and head to a break and come back and open up the phone lines.
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I want all of you to jump in on this conversation.
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Thank you so much, Daniel.
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I'll be right back after this short break.
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Stay with us.
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Welcome back.
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What a great conversation with Dr. Daniel Astelan.
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Amazing conversation.
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Amazing.
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Absolutely amazing.
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And it helps you understand.
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Opening up the phone line 747-228-2051.
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If you're on hold, stay right there.
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And I'll get right to it.
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747-228-2051.
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It helps you understand what is going on globally on this planet.
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It's not a free for all.
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It's certainly not that.
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These ideals and plans go back hundreds and hundreds of years.
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They simply do.
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Europe has been there for a long time.
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And that goes without saying.
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And Daniel brings up a couple of very solid points.
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Russia is very old.
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Europe is very old.
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China.
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China has been that way for thousands of years.
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Thousands.
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Right?
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And their plans and their understanding of this planet is established.
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The United States and this melting pot that we have here, this stew of a society, which
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is great and it's amazing, just a couple of hundred years old, you know, 250.
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That's it.
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Right?
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That's it.
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And the decisions and how things are played out when you think about the global banking
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system and certainly the establishment of the petrodollar and the Federal Reserve.
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But then you have the Rothschilds and the banking system internationally that has been
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in play for a long time before that.
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Funding wars.
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Right?
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Funding economies, funding health systems, the constructions and infrastructure of countries.
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It's been going on for a very, very long time and they are constantly looking forward.
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They are planning in advance.
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They are talking about this.
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And when I went back, and you can do this, you can go to the Bilderberg website and you
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can look at all of the meetings.
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Well, not all of them, but most of them.
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And certainly the ones that have gone down in the last few decades, they're all listed
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right there.
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And the 2019 meeting topics.
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And you look at this, right?
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And a couple of things that sit here and stick out the future of capitalism, right?
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The ethics of artificial intelligence, the weaponization of social media, the importance
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of space.
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Right?
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These are agendas for the meeting.
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Distributed.
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And this is the focus.
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And the future, the organization of the planet is planned.
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It has to be that way.
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And it's not just the Bilderberg group, of course.
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And he brought up Davos, you know, and these councils that get together a few times a year.
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Everything is planned out.
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It's pretty crazy.
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It really, really is.
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And with that, let's see here.
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Let's just start.
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Let's just start here.
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Let's go to the phones.
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You're live on Fade to Black.
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Who's calling?
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You're live.
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Oh, don't tell me I've got something.
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Yeah, you're live.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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This is Richard, MRQX from Las Vegas, Nevada.
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How you doing, Richard?
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I'm doing good.
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I've been listening to your radio show for a while, and I don't have too much to say
02:14:56.720 --> 02:15:03.720
about the Bilderbergs, but I get a lot of crap about me being a conspiracy theorist
02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:04.720
at work.
02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:09.800
So I blast Fade to Black at work for three hours straight.
02:15:12.800 --> 02:15:15.800
And how's that going for you, Richard?
02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:17.800
Oh, I've been the spotlight.
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I think at some point I'm going to get a tin foil hat from Edge of Wonder, which I
02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:30.800
hope at some point you and Edge of Wonder collaborate hopefully with David Wilcock and
02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:37.880
Cory Goode and all these other speakers about our ufology.
02:15:37.880 --> 02:15:40.880
And I really enjoy your show, man.
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I've been a Fade or not for about a couple months.
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Right.
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And at some point I hope to go to an event and meet Jimmy Church.
02:15:53.880 --> 02:15:54.880
Well, right on.
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And we've got, oh man, I think we have five or six events right now on the books out
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there.
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And we're going to be in Las Vegas.
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We're going to be in Laughlin in November.
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So come on out to the Laughlin event and hang out with us, man.
02:16:14.800 --> 02:16:15.800
I would love to meet you.
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All right, for sure, man.
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I look forward to it.
02:16:17.800 --> 02:16:22.800
And hopefully I get to meet Jimmy Church there.
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And maybe you could bring a guitar and play some.
02:16:26.720 --> 02:16:29.720
Well, that would be wishful thinking.
02:16:29.720 --> 02:16:34.720
Well, it's on my wish list, man.
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My boss is a guitarist.
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He has a band in Las Vegas.
02:16:38.720 --> 02:16:39.720
Right.
02:16:39.720 --> 02:16:40.720
It's intriguing.
02:16:40.720 --> 02:16:41.720
It's really intriguing.
02:16:41.720 --> 02:16:48.720
I haven't been in music all my life, but the guitar has been one of my favorite instruments.
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And maybe I could see Jimmy Church do a little guitar playing.
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Well, you know, it just might happen.
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You never know.
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You never know.
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See, this is the thing, Richard, and I want to thank you for the phone call and your
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first time call.
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And I really appreciate that.
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But it's really funny how I looked at my life so many years ago where, you know, I played
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guitar or I was, you know, I was an artist interested in UFOs and conspiracy and religion
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and politics and looking at all of this stuff.
02:17:24.560 --> 02:17:26.560
But that's just who I was.
02:17:26.560 --> 02:17:33.560
And I always thought there's got to be more out there, more people that are just like
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me, you know, that that enjoy good food, good music and a little talk about UFOs.
02:17:41.480 --> 02:17:46.480
And that's exactly what has brought this community together with Fade to Black.
02:17:46.480 --> 02:17:49.480
It's just and I absolutely love it.
02:17:49.480 --> 02:17:52.480
I absolutely love it.
02:17:52.480 --> 02:17:53.480
I love it, too.
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That's why I blast Fade to Black every day at work.
02:17:57.480 --> 02:17:59.480
Doesn't matter what everybody else says.
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Well, thank you so much, Richard.
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And enjoy the rest of your evening.
02:18:03.480 --> 02:18:06.480
And then come on out to Laughlin, to Star Wars.
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Just go to StarWarsUSA.com and all the tickets and info are right there.
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But we'll be there in November, man.
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I would love to meet you.
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All right.
02:18:16.400 --> 02:18:17.400
Me too, man.
02:18:17.400 --> 02:18:22.400
And for the gips and giggles or how they say it, go back Lee Teppi.
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Go back Lee Teppi.
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Thank you, Richard.
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Be safe out there.
02:18:26.400 --> 02:18:27.400
You too, Vap.
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Have a good night.
02:18:28.400 --> 02:18:29.400
You too.
02:18:29.400 --> 02:18:30.400
That's a great phone call right there.
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That is a perfect phone call.
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For all of the right reasons.
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Food, guitars, music, UFOs.
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Fade to black.
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But it's really true.
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It's really true.
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From the very beginning, from the very beginning, I have always just talked about the things that interest me.
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Right.
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Where else are you going to go where you're going to get Dine Bag Darrell, right?
02:19:05.240 --> 02:19:09.240
And Travis Walton and tacos in the same show.
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It's just it's not going to happen anywhere else.
02:19:13.240 --> 02:19:15.240
It's just the way that it is.
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Kebabs.
02:19:16.240 --> 02:19:17.240
Kebabs.
02:19:17.240 --> 02:19:19.240
Hey, where's Elf tonight?
02:19:19.240 --> 02:19:21.240
I just said kebabs on the air.
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Let's go back to the phones.
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Hi, you're live on Fade to Black.
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Who's calling?
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Hi, Jimmy.
02:19:27.240 --> 02:19:28.240
It's Deb from Sacramento.
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How are you?
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OK, do you do your homework?
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Oh, I can't wait for number two season of Messiah.
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Loved it.
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Loved it.
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Just because, you know, they talk about the Antichrist and they talk about the Messiah.
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Who knows what he is, but it was fantastic.
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Loved it.
02:19:44.160 --> 02:19:45.160
Loved it.
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Loved it.
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So, OK, now.
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And now I've been watching binge watching Lost in Space.
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You've ruined my life because all my free time is getting absorbed into Netflix now.
02:19:55.160 --> 02:19:56.160
Yeah.
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Did you watch the Stonehenge video I told you about?
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Yes, I did.
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And we'll get back to that.
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Did you laugh?
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We'll get back to that.
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We'll get back to that.
02:20:04.080 --> 02:20:05.080
OK.
02:20:05.080 --> 02:20:07.080
Let's circle back here to Messiah.
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You just can't say I loved it.
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And that's your review.
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OK.
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Oh, OK.
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There's a lot of social implications that are going on there from so many different
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directions.
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Well, I love the entertainment value and all the different things that it made you think
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and the way it kept flipping stuff around.
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So, one episode you think you think one thing and then the next episode, oh, wait a minute.
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And, you know, it flip flops you a lot.
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So, it's very intriguing and it's easy enough to follow as far as, you know, each episode
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and what's happening.
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But the overall concept is just like, hmm, you don't quite know what to think or believe.
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And I haven't, as they say, put my anchor down on a belief because they don't want you
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to.
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You can't.
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You can't.
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OK.
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So just for me, because I really wanted you to go and watch this and I promised that I
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would ask you some questions as each episode completed.
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Did you find yourself flip flopping in that you were OK?
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I guess he is the Messiah.
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There is a direct connection to God here.
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This guy does have some abilities.
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And then did you find yourself going?
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OK, he's a fraud.
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OK, I don't know how he pulled that off.
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But then you get sucked back in on the other side.
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Right.
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Did you find yourself doing that from episode to episode?
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Absolutely.
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Why?
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Why do you think they were so effective in pulling that off?
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I mean, to get you to believe that this guy is the son of God, right?
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The Messiah.
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That's got to be some pretty powerful storytelling.
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And then to take that away from you, right?
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In the next episode, how is that possible?
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Well, you're feeling the feelings that the characters are feeling like that pastor who
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one minute he's totally sold and this is a guy and he's got to follow him.
02:22:09.760 --> 02:22:13.760
And then another episode, he's burning down his church, you know, a false prophet.
02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:19.760
So the flip floppy and the emotions of the characters bring you into their shoes.
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And so you feel what they're feeling, you know, if you're really into it, which I was.
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OK, let's go to and without spoiling it.
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Yeah, I don't want to spoil.
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Sorry about that.
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But we can I'll do a spoiler with episode one.
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OK, if he is a fraudster, if he is fake, how does he know about the timing?
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Of the sandstorm and the defeating of ISIS, how does he know that unless there isn't
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something divine?
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Right.
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Well, divinity can have a duality.
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It can be Christ or it can be the devil.
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But it happened.
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It happened on his watch.
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Right.
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OK.
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But where's the power coming from?
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I'm asking you.
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I'm asking you.
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I haven't decided yet.
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See?
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You see that?
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And it just makes you wonder.
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That's what I love about it.
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The the the other part for me when it comes to this whole divine aspect of it, he in
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in in in the period of a couple of hours, he goes from jail in Israel.
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Right.
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He's in jail to the heartland of Texas in the middle of a tornado and is somehow
02:23:53.680 --> 02:24:02.680
transported there to the spot on this where this church is, where everything that is
02:24:02.680 --> 02:24:04.680
going to play out for the rest of the series.
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I'm talking about the family and the daughter and the mom.
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Right.
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All of that and how that plays out.
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How does it forget about the dust storm?
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Right.
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That happens in Syria and ISIS.
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But then right after that, he appears in Texas during this tornado.
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How is that possible unless there isn't something else going on?
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And I'm talking about a spiritual, religious, divine situation.
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Right.
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I believe there is something else going on.
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I believe it is spiritual.
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Or is he a magician?
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And the the the aspect of that, I'm talking about the ability to illusion.
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Right.
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The ability to create an illusion, to deflect.
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Like and again, and I don't want to spoil, but like what happened in Washington.
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Yeah, what happened in Washington.
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How did he how did he manage that?
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He walked on.
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He walked on water.
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Don't say it.
02:25:06.960 --> 02:25:08.960
No, I'm not giving anything away.
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He walked on water.
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OK, so he walks on water.
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And if you're a magician, then you have to have the setup for the trick.
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You know, David Copperfield or whatever it is.
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Right.
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David Blaine.
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It doesn't matter.
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Chris Angel, mind freak.
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Right.
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Well, we know that it's just tricks.
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We know it's not magic magic, but we buy into the illusion.
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So if he is able to perform these tricks as a street magician, now he's got to have
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somebody assisting him.
02:25:43.640 --> 02:25:45.280
He's got to have the assistant.
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All magicians have them.
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You set up the the the trick in advance.
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We enjoy it.
02:25:52.120 --> 02:25:53.800
We laugh.
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But he drives across the United States in a caravan, shows up and and in Washington,
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seemingly by chance and goes out and walks on water.
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Now, are we dealing with the divine or did somebody set up the trick in advance?
02:26:12.200 --> 02:26:15.200
And that's not giving anything away because we don't know.
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Right.
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We don't know.
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We don't.
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And maybe it'll be in season two.
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But yeah, that's where I kept digging.
02:26:21.560 --> 02:26:23.760
Who could it be that is working with him?
02:26:23.760 --> 02:26:27.320
You know, and then they kept going back to who could that be?
02:26:27.320 --> 02:26:28.960
And I don't want to give that away either.
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Does that guy have the ability to set up these things?
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That's right.
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Are they in concert with each other?
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That's right.
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And why didn't now look, I see somebody walk on water like that.
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Right.
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I'm jumping in.
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I'm jumping in behind them.
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Right.
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I want to I want to I want to see if he's walking on a board or something that's underneath
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and what the deal is.
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Nobody did that.
02:26:53.760 --> 02:26:54.760
Right.
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Well, they were all in shock.
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CNN was there.
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Right.
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Fox News was there.
02:27:01.080 --> 02:27:02.080
They're not very brave reporters.
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Oh, you jump in the water.
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Well, see, and that's what I thought was pretty clever here that nobody went and said, well,
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there's nothing in the water.
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There isn't anything here.
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Apparently, he did walk on water or or but that was left out.
02:27:18.680 --> 02:27:19.840
And I'm not giving anything away.
02:27:19.840 --> 02:27:23.160
You got to watch the TV series.
02:27:23.200 --> 02:27:27.560
But again, it pulls you back into the divine side of it.
02:27:27.560 --> 02:27:30.040
Very, very clever writing.
02:27:30.040 --> 02:27:33.040
And OK, well, not only that, but then when they were showing it, they didn't actually
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show close up footage of his footprints walking on the water.
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They kept showing like side views and outside views, but they weren't showing the actual
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foot up close.
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They did.
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Well, I didn't like but they did.
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But I saw.
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No, but OK, you're right about that.
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And at the end is when they did, you know, that type of reveal when he turned around
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and faced the crowd, right?
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And, you know, out there in the middle, you know, standing on the water with, you know,
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I don't know, a couple of thousand people witnessing this live streaming.
02:28:07.120 --> 02:28:09.360
It was a pretty interesting aspect of it.
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I was just going to mention one last thing about the Messiah.
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And I've got other calls on hold.
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I'm going to have to jump to.
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But is the other aspects of not only religion, because the televangelist side of this and
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the media side of this comes into play.
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And wasn't that interesting?
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You know, the whole Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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That the power of religious organizations through the media and how that was going
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to be manipulated with the Messiah and bringing him on to television and how the Messiah
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agreed to it.
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And I thought that that was a pretty interesting play.
02:29:02.360 --> 02:29:08.480
And at the same time, when you when you are dealing with the religious side of it, you're
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dealing with the masses, you're dealing with followers.
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OK, OK, we can get that.
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And then there's the other the other side of it where the president gets involved and
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Washington directly gets involved.
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So you have the the television televangelist, right, wanting to manipulate them.
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And then you have Washington and you have, of course, Europe.
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You have what's going on with the Middle East and Syria and Israel and Iraq and what's
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happening there and Iran.
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All of that is playing out with the political establishment at the same time.
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It's a very cleverly written television series.
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Yes, very.
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Like I said, I can't wait for the lad you recommended.
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I can't wait for season two.
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What do you think of the Stonehenge video?
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What do you mean?
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The one I said the three minute one to watch with Elvis?
02:30:07.480 --> 02:30:08.480
Yes.
02:30:08.480 --> 02:30:09.480
On YouTube, the musical one.
02:30:09.480 --> 02:30:10.480
Yes.
02:30:10.480 --> 02:30:11.480
Did you think it was funny?
02:30:11.480 --> 02:30:12.480
Yes, it was great.
02:30:12.480 --> 02:30:13.480
It was great.
02:30:13.480 --> 02:30:14.480
Oh, I thought you meant, you know, what did I think of?
02:30:14.480 --> 02:30:15.480
No, it was great.
02:30:15.480 --> 02:30:16.480
It was awesome.
02:30:16.480 --> 02:30:20.520
I think I tweeted it out or I might have posted it on Facebook.
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Yeah, it's always such a serious topic to have them flip it like that.
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I thought was hilarious.
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Well, right after that, I watched because of that, I ended up watching two Stonehenge
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documentaries.
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So I am fully, fully Stonehenge out at this point.
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I'm fully Stonehenge out.
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One last thing I wanted to bring up, it was I can't think of his name right now.
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The guy that played the president in the Messiah.
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Dermot Mulroney.
02:30:53.320 --> 02:30:54.320
Yeah, Dermot.
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Yeah, pretty.
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Right?
02:30:56.320 --> 02:30:57.320
Right?
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Oh, yeah.
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Did you?
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I do too.
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And Rita just said, I'm the spoiler king that I have to stop.
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Dermot.
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Dermot was pretty amazing.
02:31:09.920 --> 02:31:12.040
I thought he was really, really cool.
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I thought it was a good choice.
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When you read your credits tonight, you keep saying 2019.
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Throw 2020 in there.
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What?
02:31:21.120 --> 02:31:25.120
When you read the credits at the end of your show, you keep saying 2019.
02:31:25.120 --> 02:31:27.120
I've never said 2019.
02:31:27.120 --> 02:31:28.120
Go back.
02:31:28.120 --> 02:31:29.120
No.
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In your credit thing, when you're reading the thing at the end and you're doing your
02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:36.120
credits, this is broadcasted, da da da da da da da, you keep saying 2019.
02:31:36.120 --> 02:31:39.120
You just did it last Thursday.
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Check it out.
02:31:40.120 --> 02:31:42.120
I think you're imagining things.
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Oh, go check it out.
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Dude, seriously, I guess you have been.
02:31:46.120 --> 02:31:47.120
You have been.
02:31:47.120 --> 02:31:48.120
You never changed it over.
02:31:48.120 --> 02:31:49.120
It's OK.
02:31:49.120 --> 02:31:50.120
It's OK.
02:31:50.120 --> 02:31:51.120
You're projecting.
02:31:51.120 --> 02:31:52.120
You're projecting.
02:31:52.120 --> 02:31:53.120
You think.
02:31:53.120 --> 02:31:54.120
Yeah, you think.
02:31:54.120 --> 02:31:56.120
See, you're hearing it, but it's not there.
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Deb, enjoy the rest of your night.
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Oh, nuts.
02:31:59.120 --> 02:32:00.120
OK, we got to go.
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See if you can take someone else.
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I'll talk to you.
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OK, bye.
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Bye.
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Yeah, the Messiah is absolutely amazing.
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Let me get the rest of these calls in that are on hold.
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Hi, you're live on Faded Black.
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Who's calling?
02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:09.120
Hi, Jimmy.
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How you doing?
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Joe Rich from Staten Island, a.k.a. Wizard Druid.
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How you doing, Joe?
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Everything good?
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Yeah, I'm doing great.
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I'm doing great.
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I'm doing great.
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I'm doing great.
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I'm doing great.
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How you doing, Joe?
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Everything good?
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Everything's good, man.
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How you been?
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Did you?
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Well, I've been great.
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Did you learn something tonight?
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Oh, he's cool.
02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:27.120
I've heard of him.
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I can't pronounce his name.
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He's real cool.
02:32:29.120 --> 02:32:30.120
Pretty amazing.
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You know what I learned?
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You know what I learned?
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What?
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There ain't no big, like, Mr. Big.
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Like, it's all this, like, this whole banking money control system.
02:32:35.120 --> 02:32:36.120
You know, there's no, like, key, like, you know, like, key, like, key, like, like, key,
02:32:36.120 --> 02:32:37.120
like, like, key, like, key, like, key, like, key, like, key, like, key, like, key, like,
02:32:37.120 --> 02:32:38.120
I do.
02:32:38.120 --> 02:32:39.120
I do.
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And if, if we cannot lose sight of when the Knights Templar created the International
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Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:42.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:43.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:43.120 --> 02:32:44.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:44.120 --> 02:32:45.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:45.120 --> 02:32:46.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:46.120 --> 02:32:47.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:47.120 --> 02:32:48.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:48.120 --> 02:32:49.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:49.120 --> 02:32:50.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:50.120 --> 02:32:51.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:51.120 --> 02:32:52.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:52.120 --> 02:32:53.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
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I do.
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I do.
02:32:55.120 --> 02:32:56.120
I do.
02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:57.120
And if, if we cannot lose sight of when the Knights Templar created the International
02:32:57.120 --> 02:32:58.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:58.120 --> 02:32:59.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:32:59.120 --> 02:33:00.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:00.120 --> 02:33:01.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:01.120 --> 02:33:02.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:02.120 --> 02:33:03.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:03.120 --> 02:33:04.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:04.120 --> 02:33:05.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:05.120 --> 02:33:06.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:06.120 --> 02:33:07.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:07.120 --> 02:33:08.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:08.120 --> 02:33:09.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:10.120
Knights Templar created the International Knights Templar created the International
02:33:10.120 --> 02:33:13.120
Going back to the Crusades, right?
02:33:13.120 --> 02:33:16.120
I was reading that this morning actually.
02:33:16.120 --> 02:33:17.120
Yeah, yeah.
02:33:17.120 --> 02:33:29.120
So the ideas that started to establish themselves back then during the Crusades and the the
02:33:29.120 --> 02:33:34.960
ability to get deposits and retrieve on the other end where you're not carrying your
02:33:35.960 --> 02:33:42.960
you and you know that it's safe and the the ability to get a loan collateral interest
02:33:42.960 --> 02:33:50.960
rates and a banking system in play has been around now for over 800 years.
02:33:50.960 --> 02:33:53.960
800 years.
02:33:53.960 --> 02:33:55.960
So you know what?
02:33:55.960 --> 02:33:57.960
I got to work for you.
02:33:57.960 --> 02:33:58.960
Bitcoin.
02:33:58.960 --> 02:34:03.960
Well, I'm actually but I was going to but that's a great point.
02:34:03.960 --> 02:34:06.960
And I was going to bring that up tonight.
02:34:06.960 --> 02:34:12.960
That's a whole nother show with Daniel, which I would love to talk to him about this one
02:34:12.960 --> 02:34:21.960
of the things that the the money players of the world have enjoyed is control.
02:34:21.960 --> 02:34:24.960
Okay, you go to the bank you want a loan.
02:34:24.960 --> 02:34:25.960
It's either a yes or a no.
02:34:25.960 --> 02:34:27.960
And if they say no, what are you going to do?
02:34:27.960 --> 02:34:29.960
You're going to rob the bank.
02:34:29.960 --> 02:34:32.960
You can't they control everything, right?
02:34:32.960 --> 02:34:33.960
And it's it's that simple.
02:34:33.960 --> 02:34:35.960
It's not that kind of party anymore.
02:34:35.960 --> 02:34:36.960
It's not.
02:34:36.960 --> 02:34:41.960
They have lost that control globally.
02:34:41.960 --> 02:34:45.960
I got three dollars in my checking account in the KLS.
02:34:45.960 --> 02:34:47.960
I don't even use it only for those.
02:34:47.960 --> 02:34:49.960
But you understand my point.
02:34:49.960 --> 02:34:50.960
You understand.
02:34:50.960 --> 02:34:51.960
No, you're right.
02:34:51.960 --> 02:34:52.960
I know you're right.
02:34:52.960 --> 02:34:53.960
That control.
02:34:53.960 --> 02:34:55.960
That control is over, man.
02:34:55.960 --> 02:34:57.960
That control is right.
02:34:57.960 --> 02:35:03.960
You know, you know, another cool thing is I like to be having your guests to this
02:35:03.960 --> 02:35:10.960
like advancement of like, like human kind, like this jump ahead into the future.
02:35:10.960 --> 02:35:14.960
Well, you know, we're thinking ahead, we're going to be healthier.
02:35:14.960 --> 02:35:16.960
We're going to live longer.
02:35:16.960 --> 02:35:18.960
Our spirits are growing.
02:35:18.960 --> 02:35:19.960
The knowledge is getting out there.
02:35:19.960 --> 02:35:21.960
The truth is getting out there.
02:35:21.960 --> 02:35:23.960
You know, it's like a new world ahead of us.
02:35:23.960 --> 02:35:26.960
And if people can understand and grab it, you know, we could all be able to do that.
02:35:26.960 --> 02:35:28.960
You know, we could all participate.
02:35:28.960 --> 02:35:29.960
And that's the whole thing, man.
02:35:29.960 --> 02:35:31.960
Well, you're absolutely right, Joe.
02:35:31.960 --> 02:35:32.960
And thank you for the phone call.
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We'll see you tomorrow night for fader night.
02:35:35.960 --> 02:35:36.960
Thank you so much, man.
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I held on the rest of the head.
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Not for an hour.
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You know, I never got through, but I'll try anyway.
02:35:42.960 --> 02:35:43.960
OK, man, we'll see.
02:35:43.960 --> 02:35:46.960
But OK, you take care.
02:35:46.960 --> 02:35:47.960
All right.
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We'll see you tomorrow night.
02:35:48.960 --> 02:35:51.960
And this is this is the truth.
02:35:51.960 --> 02:35:54.960
This is the truth.
02:35:54.960 --> 02:35:59.960
The ability to share ideas.
02:35:59.960 --> 02:36:00.960
Is here.
02:36:00.960 --> 02:36:03.960
It's never been like this before.
02:36:03.960 --> 02:36:08.960
It's obviously stating something that everybody can understand.
02:36:08.960 --> 02:36:11.960
We all understand the Internet and technology.
02:36:11.960 --> 02:36:19.960
But those puppet masters that we were talking about tonight, they didn't have to deal with this 20 years ago.
02:36:19.960 --> 02:36:23.960
They haven't had to deal with it for 5000 years.
02:36:23.960 --> 02:36:26.960
They're coming to grips with it now.
02:36:26.960 --> 02:36:35.960
But keeping people dumb and blind is is the way that they built their business model.
02:36:35.960 --> 02:36:36.960
That's it.
02:36:36.960 --> 02:36:38.960
And it's not that way anymore.
02:36:38.960 --> 02:36:40.960
It's simply not.
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It's a brave new world.
02:36:42.960 --> 02:36:44.960
This is Fade to Black.
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I am your host, Jimmy Church.
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We'll see everybody tomorrow night right here for Fader night.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Until then, I want everybody to be safe.
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Go back late happy.