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This is Dialogue Assassination with research
specialist May Brussill for KLRB.

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I'm Gloria Barron.

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Well, May, we promised them last week that
you would be doing the Manson trial this...

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and I guess from the looks of things, you're
ready.

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Yes, I'm ready and I'm not ready.

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I would like lots of hours on this, but it's
really big and we'll get right into it.

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I had ten other subjects I wanted to talk
about today, but it will delay the Manson...

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so we'll go into it, Gloria, right away.

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Because in this world, in this strange world
of covert overthrow of the governments

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and Klandestine armies and secret operations,

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the problem we're facing is that you're
working with two realities.

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You're working with what we assume is the
real way to function and move,

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and then we're working with a system of what
we call power, exchange of power,

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economic power, power over people controlling
their lives.

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And in order to do that, you disguise certain
persons and send them into roles

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to influence they take, they become actors on
a stage,

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and they influence our minds in a way that is
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but affects a reality that will touch us
later.

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Apropos of the Manson thing, the Oda trial,
the murder of the Oda family

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with accused murder of Frazier goes to trial
Monday.

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It's in the paper today.

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That was not a hippie murder.

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I've said it before.

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They took the trial out of Santa Cruz up to
Redwood City.

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We'll do a show on the Oda trial, but because
the Manson trial

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affects this particular geographic area, it's
close to us.

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It's close to home.

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California was where the Flower Children
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Big Sur was the home of people like Joan
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Free Souls, artists, and so on.

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I mean, California was an important state in
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to kill candidates and presidents and to
affect national policy,

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and it's part of the military-industrial
complex.

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And I'm going to explain why the Manson
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why the murder of Sharon Tate and the other
persons in her home

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was a political massacre.

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And other researchers have done work on the
John Kennedy, Robert

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Kennedy, Martin Luther King.

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I was the first researcher in the United
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to turn the other people's minds to the fact
that the same lawyers,

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the same planners, the same teams originated

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this particular massacre and what effect it
would have on our society.

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It had to be planned well in advance of when
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And I'll go in.

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I'm going to give you my conclusions on the
Manson.

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I call it the Manson trial because nobody
talks about it

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being Charles Watson massacre.

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That's the boy who killed seven people.

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But the news media associates the name
Charles Manson.

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He made the picture on the cover of Life.

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He is the man that you associate with killing
Sharon Tate.

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Many people don't even know the name Charles
Watson,

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because you're not supposed to know it.

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Right now, there's a hung jury in Los Angeles

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on the decision of whether Charles Watson is
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of murdering seven people.

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He was in the home.

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He did the stabbing 40 times.

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He wrote Death to the Pig on the door.

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The jury can't decide if he was guilty.

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Now, my conclusions are, number one, that all
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involved, the major people, are agent
provocateurs.

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They come at a time to increase violence,

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to come down on a segment of our society

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prior to an election year, and to make law
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necessary to protect us from the people

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at large in our society.

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Number two, Charles Manson was a Pansy.

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He is identical, historically, to Lee Harvey
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Sirhan Sirhan, and James Ray.

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Charles Manson killed nobody in the Sharon
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or in the Bianca home.

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He was being charged with these murders.

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He didn't kill any one of these seven people.

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He was used.

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He was a person who'd been in jail 22 of his
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He was the product of our penal system.

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He was not a hippie or part of the youth
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They bought him a guitar, let his hair grow,

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and put a leather jacket on him, gave him
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gave him a bus and credit cards, and told him
to do his thing.

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It was like James Ray was a part of our penal
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He was in Missouri in a jail, and he was met

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with certain persons, and the next day he was
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and there was $20,000, $30,000 of money
spent,

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and he traveled continents and everywhere,

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and he was to be used at a certain time and
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Charles Manson was identical to James Ray

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as a product of our penal system.

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He was used by the news media to slam down on
the hippies.

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We could do one hour on the news control

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of how your brain is shaped to believe that
Charles Manson

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made a robot out of a nice white Christian
boy from Texas,

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this terrible kind of a criminal mind.

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He was used, and now I'm going into my
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on these opinions because they may be
startling.

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People who think they're knowledgeable on our
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or on the other assassinations,

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who never believe the Warren Report, throw up
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I spoke to somebody just this morning

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before I came in the studio and said

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I was doing a story on Manson,

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and this particular person educated,
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said that's something I'm not interested in
Manson.

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I never would think about that particular
human being,

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and people turn off on the Manson.

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But this is the way my mind was going.

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In 1963, I told you how I was studying

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the death of John Kennedy starting November
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I was studying the use and the misuse of
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after the President of the United States had
been killed.

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I was wanting to know who killed him,

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what kind of people they were, what was their
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what was their philosophy, what was their
politics.

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How many of them believed that Adolf Hitler

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should have won World War II?

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How many of the people involved in that
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worked in our State Department, defense
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or had important government positions,

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like in Cabinet now or in Republican National
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this kind of thing that is current today,

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I've been studying since 63.

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I studied the Cold War, the military
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in the United States, what we formally called

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capitalism versus communism, which now is a
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fascism with the electoral process over
versus communism.

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And I studied the economic and philosophical
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of both systems and the religious revolution

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that was going on simultaneously.

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In April 1967, the Greek government was
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by military Finta.

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There is a book, I tell you, have your pencil
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for the program, I want you to write down
this book,

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it's pertinent to the Manson, Sharon Tate
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it's called Death of a Democracy,

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Greece and the American Conscience.

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It's written by Steven Rousseau.

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And when Greece was overthrown, the excuse
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to take power and end the electoral process

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was that there was tension and chaos,

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and they had to prevent that,

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they had to prevent the May election.

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The man who was running to be the president
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was Papandreou, who captured the imagination

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of the young people.

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Now I'm reading a quote from the book, Death
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Papandreou captured the imagination of young
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and intellectual classes.

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He was popular in Greece, he was linked
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with the late President Kennedy,

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he was a man of style and intellect,

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and they thought for the first time in 30
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they would get a program growing

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where they'd have a democratic government for
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And the people in power felt that no one
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with their existing institutional structure.

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And they kept the power and canceled the
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Now the edicts in Greece, when Greece was
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were the following.

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If it was an economic problem or a political
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like we don't want communists,

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we have to save from communists, that's one
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But the edicts that I noticed in 1967, in
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when Greece was overthrown,

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and I copied in my newspaper right away,

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I was reading the daily papers

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because I was studying power and exchange of
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the United States had exchanged power,

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I was studying Greece, I study every country.

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And these were the edicts.

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No gathering in the open country of more than
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and no gathering in any closed space at all.

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No anti-national propaganda such as anti-war

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or anything against a public official.

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No marches or dissentions.

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And we will now have what Rousseau described

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as a Puritan orgy.

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There would be no beards or long hair on the
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no miniskirts on the girls.

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The tourists included, everyone in Greece

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had to attend a Sunday church, Sunday church,
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They called it a Christian coup

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because the Jews traditionally do not go to
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you could be exiled to an island and
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That, it was similar to Inquisition in Spain.

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The students were to turn in every old
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they had and it would be replaced with a new
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Racial purity was proclaimed

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and the theories of Darwin and De Vries were
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They were ordered to protect their
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on a public order that was passed in 1942

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by the Nazis, it was reviewed again.

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All legitimate theaters were to submit their
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Does this sound, end the quote for one
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does that sound like our own local theater

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where they're asking power play recently

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in a theater in town here in Carmel,

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the director was removed

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because they wanted to examine the scripts.

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Now let's get back to the other book,

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back to the quotations.

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They wanted to write to delete scripts

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or rewrite scripts anywhere from the Greek
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to the modern.

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Every play from antiquity to the present was
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Music would be selected.

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Bob Dylan, the Beatles, wouldn't be allowed
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No music from Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev,

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or any Russian composer even prior

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to the Russian Revolution.

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into the first fascist dictatorship on
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since Mussolini and Hitler.

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Now I looked at those edicts and I knew

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that the one problem in the United States

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was going to be a revolution

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that was coming along in our country.

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Because just as I analyzed in 1963, in
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I said to myself,

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is Jack Ruby in that jail to kill Oswald to
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My brain began to work with what I was
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about the edicts in Greece,

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because these were not communist edicts,

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this was a sociological thing.

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And I knew in the summer of 67,

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this was the spring when it was happening,

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that something very big in the United States

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was coming to a head.

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Because I live in the peninsula here,

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I'm close to a movement that was growing,

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going back and forth from San Francisco to
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spending my summers at Sur.

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I could see something really good in a true
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Judeo-Christian tradition, people making it
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sharing their housing, sharing their food,
rapping.

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And I realized that in this country, we had a
revolution.

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There was a revolution of hairstyle,
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transportation, housing, value system,
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that affected cosmetic industry, canned
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grocery revolution, dietary habits,
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the use of land, no longer needing dwellings,

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no heating outdoors, no high rent for each
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sharing one place.

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People were delivering their own babies

248
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instead of spending $250 for the
obstetrician.

249
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They were recycling old clothes, going to the
goodwill,

250
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making their own things, wearing burlap,
sharing,

251
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doing without, withdrawing from spectator
sports

252
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or amusement, sitting and watching people

253
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throw a pigskin ball back and forth.

254
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These are revolutions,

255
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they're revolutions, economic, sociological.

256
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They were breaking the boundaries

257
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where white and black could rap.

258
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They lived together, they slept together.

259
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You didn't know somebody's background,

260
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if they were rich or poor.

261
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You didn't know if they were Jew or Gentile.

262
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Those boundaries were thrown out the window
in 67.

263
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Greece was putting them back,

264
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but America was throwing them out the window.

265
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And the country club thing was going by the
wayside,

266
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and zoning laws were ignored.

267
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If you have a zoning place, a fancy
residential,

268
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the children are leaving those homes.

269
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They're living where there is no zoning.

270
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They're up on the land in the communes.

271
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They've left their parents in their big
homes,

272
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and they leave the zoning laws behind.

273
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They just split.

274
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And real estate values are affected

275
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because the kids aren't gonna buy the house

276
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with a picket fence any longer

277
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and live two people in that dwelling.

278
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Now this was an economic sociological
necessity

279
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that if our system existed in terms of
capital,

280
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so we're to survive,

281
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that the Rand Corporation and other think
tanks in America

282
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decide what to do for the United States of
America.

283
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And this was the year of the Beatles.

284
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It was the summer of Sergeant Pepper, the
Monterey Pop,

285
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hate Ashbury, the Renaissance.

286
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Make your own candle, turn off your
electricity.

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Sit, turn on with your friends,

288
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and wrap it over.

289
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What is life all about?

290
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The generation was born with an atomic bomb
over their head.

291
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They weren't gonna live long anyway,

292
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so there wasn't that much time for hate,

293
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and they were really making it.

294
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And my car was filled with kids, hitchhikers
everywhere.

295
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I'd pick strangers off the street.

296
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They slept in our homes, slept in the art
studio.

297
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Monterey Pop came in, and that weekend,

298
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we were there every day, and I'd pick people
off the road,

299
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and our house was filled.

300
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It was the most beautiful thing.

301
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I still have yard furniture.

302
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They all painted, chairs and tables,

303
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and everyone pitched in.

304
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It was just, it was human beauty,

305
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and they were making it together.

306
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But it isn't the way it was meant to be made.

307
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By U.S. Steel and General Motors and Kaiser
Aluminum,

308
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they wanted to sell you your own car,

309
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and your own house, and your own washing
machine and dryer.

310
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So in my cross-filing system,

311
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because you see, this is summer of 67,

312
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and I've been on the assassinations for four
years,

313
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I started a file called Grease,

314
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because I didn't watch Grease at all until
the coup.

315
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But the edicts worried me, and I said,

316
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is this a test case of what the United States

317
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could do to its people, if it had to?

318
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Because those edicts were set up very
strangely

319
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if it was a communist versus a right-wing
coup.

320
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And I did all the research up to the present
day,

321
00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:05,439
anything that comes about Grease.

322
00:15:05,439 --> 00:15:09,159
Malin McCurey was on a national television
show this morning.

323
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I watched her talking about Grease.

324
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It's current.

325
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So I watched who overthrew Grease.

326
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I watched the Poffis Foundation.

327
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We've talked about the money.

328
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They're the men that siphoned the money,

329
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Standard Oil, New Jersey, linked with Richard
Nixon,

330
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Donald Nixon, Spyro Agnew.

331
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Who?

332
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Agnew's in Grease today as we talk.

333
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And I have a file that started in 67,

334
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and every article from all the magazines

335
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or books that I could get follows up.

336
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Who overthrew Grease?

337
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The linten industry, the fascists in this
country,

338
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put those edicts in there.

339
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Now, if they put them in there and it worked,

340
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they could put them down on us.

341
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So I have another file in 67 that I started,

342
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along with my John Candy,

343
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because I told you before,

344
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I have 1,600 subject categories of current
news.

345
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And I started a file called Hippies,

346
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because articles in 67,

347
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it was a sociological phenomenon, were coming
out.

348
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And in the envelopes I have,

349
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I began articles like who recognizes
something good

350
00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:08,679
in this movement?

351
00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:10,559
Who is putting it down?

352
00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:11,959
What is their philosophy?

353
00:16:11,959 --> 00:16:13,599
Hippies that were interviewed in magazines

354
00:16:13,599 --> 00:16:15,879
like Ramparts or New York Times,

355
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what are they saying about themselves?

356
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,240
What are people saying about them?

357
00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,639
And I realized that it was going to be
stopped some way,

358
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because it was taking hold.

359
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,840
It captured the basic good that is in people.

360
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,160
And I don't believe in the doctrine of
original sin,

361
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I believe in original goodness.

362
00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,400
And these children had it, they have it,

363
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somebody was gonna have to get them.

364
00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:40,759
Yesterday's paper had an article

365
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that the head of the whole Navy of Vietnam,

366
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South Vietnam, said you're gonna have to rule
out sex.

367
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They have a Navy of 40,000 men.

368
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,200
And he said, you're gonna have to rule out
sex.

369
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It's decadent, if you want to fight the
communists,

370
00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,279
you've gotta stop that, you're a bunch of
filthy worms,

371
00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:58,120
he said.

372
00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,759
The head of the Navy of Vietnam said,

373
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in order to really fight the communists,

374
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you've gotta stop your sexual activity.

375
00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:07,000
The Vietnamese Navy was told yesterday.

376
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,799
Now this is the same people, Mr. Key and the
fascists,

377
00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:12,120
and the same people in Greece,

378
00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:14,079
and the people in South Vietnam,

379
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who are coming on the kids, their sexual
fantasies,

380
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their fears, that their kids could do

381
00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,799
what they never could do.

382
00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:23,960
I'd like to do a whole show on sexual
repressions

383
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,399
and fascism and coming down.

384
00:17:26,399 --> 00:17:29,879
So in the summer of 67, 68,

385
00:17:29,879 --> 00:17:32,319
I knew that the hippies were being handed
out.

386
00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:34,759
I had a friend I met who worked at the
Diggers,

387
00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:37,039
and they were being handed bad acid

388
00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:39,199
by disguised agent provocateurs

389
00:17:39,199 --> 00:17:41,359
to begin to burn their bellies out

390
00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,119
and rob their minds and say,

391
00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:46,479
Diggers were treating up there, this can be
documented.

392
00:17:46,479 --> 00:17:48,039
And I know the federal government

393
00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,119
was throwing things out at pop festivals,

394
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,039
and they allowed men like Melvin Belli,

395
00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:54,119
that worked with Jack Ruby,

396
00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,519
was the man in on the Aldermont thing

397
00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:57,559
that brings the pressure,

398
00:17:57,559 --> 00:17:58,879
and we'll go on to that some other day,

399
00:17:58,879 --> 00:18:00,279
on pop festivals and music

400
00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:02,359
and what happened to the music scene,

401
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,679
and the musicians at the Monterey Pop.

402
00:18:04,679 --> 00:18:08,879
So I was watching how the hippie scene would
be put down

403
00:18:08,879 --> 00:18:11,319
and what evidence there was that they had to
crack it.

404
00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,599
And in my neighborhood,

405
00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:14,439
I've mentioned on two different programs,

406
00:18:14,439 --> 00:18:16,159
a man moved in from Texas,

407
00:18:16,159 --> 00:18:18,000
I think he gets tired of my talking about
this,

408
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,439
this is the last time I'll mention him.

409
00:18:19,439 --> 00:18:22,000
He was dressed as a hippie, he wasn't a
hippie,

410
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,839
he brought his children into this community,

411
00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:26,799
he lived a block from my house.

412
00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:30,319
He wrote a book for Henry Kaiser called
Children of Change,

413
00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:33,200
I'm repeating for somebody who hasn't heard
the show.

414
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,439
A non-hippie from Texas lived here for about
one or two years

415
00:18:36,439 --> 00:18:39,119
walking down the coast going to musical
scene,

416
00:18:39,199 --> 00:18:43,000
and wrote, just prior to the Sharon Tate
murders,

417
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,279
that the hippies would have made it,

418
00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:46,839
this is what Henry Kaiser published,

419
00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:49,239
would have made it if number one,

420
00:18:49,239 --> 00:18:50,959
they had a sense of humor,

421
00:18:50,959 --> 00:18:54,079
and number two, they weren't so violent.

422
00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:56,399
Now, if anybody had a sense of humor,

423
00:18:56,399 --> 00:18:57,599
that generation did,

424
00:18:57,599 --> 00:18:59,319
because there wasn't much to be funny

425
00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:01,039
about the way the Cold War was going

426
00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:02,519
and after Korea and everything lined up,

427
00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:04,239
and I have a button collection,

428
00:19:04,239 --> 00:19:05,599
people have been in my home, see it,

429
00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:08,519
I started this around those years,

430
00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:11,039
and I have a whole wall with thousands of
buttons,

431
00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,319
and it's funny, and they did have a sense of
humor,

432
00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:16,039
the kids were beautiful, and they laughed,

433
00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:18,000
and there were very funny things,

434
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,200
if you read the button, it says,

435
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,839
so is it logically, I'm the sense of humor,

436
00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:23,639
that generation, and I collected car bumpers
for a while,

437
00:19:23,639 --> 00:19:25,240
the stickers, but it got too expensive,

438
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,000
so I stayed with the buttons,

439
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,160
they did have a sense of humor,

440
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,879
and there was no violence, there was no
violence at all,

441
00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,319
and this same particular man referred to his
wife

442
00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:36,599
and hippie women as witches,

443
00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:37,759
and she wasn't a witch,

444
00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:40,839
she was a very establishment Texas girl,

445
00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:42,440
who is the wife of a man,

446
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,879
this man that was dressed as a hippie,

447
00:19:43,879 --> 00:19:47,119
I said before, is now at the Navy
postgraduate school,

448
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,079
he's Navy, under the Navy intelligence,

449
00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:50,960
how does he get into the postgraduate school,

450
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,240
if his undergraduate work was a hippie on Big
Sur Road,

451
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,200
back and forth on the highway,

452
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,440
so this particular man, he had his gun,

453
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,960
and his scopes, and his knives, and things,

454
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,079
and I watched, and there was no massacre,

455
00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:05,720
and I was watching the phenomena,

456
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,640
how is our government gonna handle it,

457
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,840
and I was watching the phenomena,

458
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,680
and I was watching the phenomena,

459
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,520
and I was watching the phenomena,

460
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,360
and I was watching the phenomena,

461
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,200
and I was watching the phenomena,

462
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,560
and I was watching the phenomena,

463
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,400
and I was watching the phenomena,

464
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,000
and I was watching the phenomena,

465
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,280
and I was watching the phenomena,

466
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,480
and I was watching the phenomena,

467
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,680
and I was watching the phenomena,

468
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,880
and I was watching the phenomena,

469
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,000
and I was watching the phenomena,

470
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,960
and I was watching the phenomena,

471
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,800
and I was watching the phenomena,

472
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,640
and I was watching the phenomena,

473
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,480
and I was watching the phenomena,

474
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,320
and I was watching the phenomena,

475
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,160
and I was watching the phenomena,

476
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,000
and I was watching the phenomena,

477
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:34,840
and I was watching the phenomena,

478
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,680
and I was watching the phenomena,

479
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,520
and I was watching the phenomena,

480
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359
these many people were slaughtered,

481
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,759
nobody heard a sign,

482
00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:42,200
there were dogs on the grounds

483
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,079
that didn't say boo,

484
00:20:43,079 --> 00:20:44,960
there was a caretaker and a guest guide,

485
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,680
you didn't hear one gun go off,

486
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,680
and guns went off,

487
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,759
they didn't hear any screaming,

488
00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:51,440
nobody saw a getaway car,

489
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,079
the place was completely destroyed,

490
00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:55,839
there was time to put hoods over the people,

491
00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:56,839
ropes on their neck,

492
00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,960
leave signs and symbols that would come down

493
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,920
on a particular group of our society,

494
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,839
two groups, and split,

495
00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:06,279
and now the dog was killed or barked,

496
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,960
and the fellow that lives on the ground

497
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,480
said he slipped through it,

498
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,279
and the telephone poles,

499
00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:12,720
they shimmied up the poles,

500
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,359
cut the wires,

501
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,399
left all this obvious evidence and split,

502
00:21:17,399 --> 00:21:19,759
and the way the wires and the lines were cut,

503
00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:23,079
I felt that it had to be a military type
ambush,

504
00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:27,240
now the toll effect was to appear,

505
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,920
or want to appear,

506
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,240
if they didn't catch the murders of these
people,

507
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,879
it would come down on the blacks,

508
00:21:34,879 --> 00:21:36,240
that was the hope,

509
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,440
now it was very interesting in my research

510
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,160
on the assassination,

511
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,440
that the very first man to publish an article

512
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,720
on the Sharon Tate murder,

513
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,000
in my collection of the murders,

514
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,319
before they had a suspect,

515
00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:48,599
the murder was in August,

516
00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:51,079
and they found the suspects in December,

517
00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,279
was a man named Ed Butler,

518
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:56,200
in October 69, he wrote an article,

519
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,240
the man who publishes the newspaper that he
writes for,

520
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,279
is Patrick Frawley,

521
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,200
of Schick Razor Technicolor,

522
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,440
who is one of the third largest supporters

523
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,920
of Richard Nixon,

524
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,480
far right wing person,

525
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,240
and he hires Ed Butler,

526
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,759
to write articles for him,

527
00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:14,680
Ed is an agent provocateur,

528
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,039
who worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in New
Orleans,

529
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:20,600
and when Oswald had the cover story,

530
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:21,759
that he was a communist,

531
00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:24,039
because he did want to get into Cuba,

532
00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:24,880
if he could,

533
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,519
Ed Butler made a record for him,

534
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,120
where Oswald said he was a member of the Fair
Play,

535
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:29,960
for Cuba,

536
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,840
and he was the only member in the New Orleans
area,

537
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,039
and Ed Butler knew it,

538
00:22:33,879 --> 00:22:35,480
Ed Butler worked with Lee Harvey Oswald,

539
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,159
so it's interesting that in 1969,

540
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:40,039
the first person who has an opinion,

541
00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:41,720
on who murdered these seven people,

542
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,000
would be Ed Butler,

543
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,359
in my collection of articles,

544
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,200
we have Ed Butler,

545
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,799
now what is this article called,

546
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,759
it says, did hate kill Tate,

547
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:51,200
and he goes into the fact,

548
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,960
that the black panthers did this murder,

549
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,920
because the panthers are tied in with the
communists,

550
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,440
and the evidence is,

551
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,759
that the panthers killed these people,

552
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,480
to come into the middle class America,

553
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,200
and spread terror,

554
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,720
now this is what we call,

555
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,079
provocateurs,

556
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:10,400
agent provocateurs,

557
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,720
clandestine governments,

558
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,160
where somebody,

559
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,359
is the first one in,

560
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,039
and he's tied in with all these other people
and links,

561
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,519
and he is taking your brain now,

562
00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:21,000
and your gray matter,

563
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,200
in the event they don't have a suspect,

564
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,119
he is saying,

565
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,039
here are the clues,

566
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:25,879
number one,

567
00:23:25,879 --> 00:23:27,879
the hood over the draped bodies,

568
00:23:27,879 --> 00:23:30,920
was it a turnabout for the Ku Klux Klan,

569
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,740
number two,

570
00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:33,380
the rope found around their bodies,

571
00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:35,019
strung body to body,

572
00:23:35,019 --> 00:23:37,579
is ironic reminder of lynchings,

573
00:23:37,579 --> 00:23:38,420
number three,

574
00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:39,259
the words,

575
00:23:39,259 --> 00:23:40,079
death of the pigs,

576
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,099
that were scrawled,

577
00:23:41,099 --> 00:23:42,620
with the human blood,

578
00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:44,180
over the front door,

579
00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:46,779
was that a challenge to Blue Meanies,

580
00:23:46,779 --> 00:23:48,900
remember the Beatles made a movie about Blue
Meanies,

581
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:49,740
he's throwing the whole thing,

582
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:51,460
and number four,

583
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:53,180
Time Magazine,

584
00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:54,660
quoted an article,

585
00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,819
that J.C. Ring was supposed to be anti-black,

586
00:23:57,819 --> 00:23:59,859
so you see that Ed Butler has,

587
00:23:59,859 --> 00:24:01,059
you in the palm of his hand,

588
00:24:01,099 --> 00:24:03,059
that they don't have a suspect,

589
00:24:03,059 --> 00:24:03,899
it is going,

590
00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:05,259
you're gonna think that the blacks,

591
00:24:05,259 --> 00:24:07,299
come into fancy residential homes,

592
00:24:07,299 --> 00:24:09,740
and massacre these lovely white people,

593
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:10,960
to make that even worse,

594
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,460
when the people were arrested,

595
00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:16,339
they admitted on their own volition,

596
00:24:16,339 --> 00:24:18,220
that they took their credit cards,

597
00:24:18,220 --> 00:24:19,579
from Mr. and Mrs. Bianca,

598
00:24:19,579 --> 00:24:21,379
after they cut their bellies open,

599
00:24:21,379 --> 00:24:22,220
and stuck,

600
00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:23,299
they went to the icebox to eat,

601
00:24:23,299 --> 00:24:24,179
and then took their forks,

602
00:24:24,179 --> 00:24:26,460
and Texas stuck their forks in their
stomachs,

603
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:27,980
they took out their credit cards,

604
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:29,379
and left them in the black part,

605
00:24:29,379 --> 00:24:30,460
of town in Los Angeles,

606
00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:31,460
so the people would think,

607
00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:33,660
the blacks killed the Biancas,

608
00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:35,819
to back up my own feelings,

609
00:24:35,819 --> 00:24:38,819
they, every word from what these people said
afterwards,

610
00:24:38,819 --> 00:24:41,059
confirms what I knew they were doing,

611
00:24:41,059 --> 00:24:42,259
they were coming down,

612
00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:45,019
they could come down on two groups,

613
00:24:45,019 --> 00:24:46,500
one for sure,

614
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:47,380
and if they're caught,

615
00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:48,860
they'll come down on the second,

616
00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:50,940
so the first group was to press fear,

617
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:53,259
that the blacks are now in our part of town,

618
00:24:53,259 --> 00:24:54,180
that they're communists,

619
00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:55,500
they hate the rich,

620
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,900
and Ed Butler goes into their motives,

621
00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:58,740
and he says,

622
00:24:58,779 --> 00:25:00,740
one of the things is that Mr. Polanski,

623
00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:02,819
is an expatriate from communist Poland,

624
00:25:02,819 --> 00:25:05,299
and we know the Panthers are communists,

625
00:25:05,299 --> 00:25:06,140
and he said,

626
00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:07,819
the hate and propaganda here,

627
00:25:07,819 --> 00:25:09,220
will make other people,

628
00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:11,140
want to continue these murders,

629
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:12,980
he said that the Panthers were doing,

630
00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:14,539
this kind of murdering,

631
00:25:14,539 --> 00:25:16,579
to test the stomach of America,

632
00:25:16,579 --> 00:25:18,420
for future violence,

633
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:19,259
Ed Butler,

634
00:25:19,259 --> 00:25:20,660
the authority on riots,

635
00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:22,980
he comes out all the time in the news,

636
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:23,819
and he said,

637
00:25:25,019 --> 00:25:26,819
what he wants to see is,

638
00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:28,859
how many of these massacres,

639
00:25:28,859 --> 00:25:30,099
people will take a react,

640
00:25:30,099 --> 00:25:31,579
and he's convinced,

641
00:25:31,579 --> 00:25:33,819
that the blacks did this murder,

642
00:25:33,819 --> 00:25:35,220
but he is covered,

643
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:38,139
because when the actual facts came out,

644
00:25:38,139 --> 00:25:39,139
it turns out,

645
00:25:39,139 --> 00:25:41,019
that it wasn't the blacks at all,

646
00:25:41,019 --> 00:25:42,339
so what are you left with now,

647
00:25:42,339 --> 00:25:44,740
you're left with a hippie group,

648
00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:47,740
you're left with this great hippie clan,

649
00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:50,460
and this is where the real problem comes in,

650
00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:52,099
because as I said before,

651
00:25:52,099 --> 00:25:53,740
and I'll say it over and over today,

652
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:55,139
Charles Manson,

653
00:25:55,139 --> 00:25:56,659
was not a hippie,

654
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:00,019
when they arrested Charles Manson,

655
00:26:00,019 --> 00:26:01,420
Sue Atkins was in jail,

656
00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:04,540
for stealing some parts to an automobile,

657
00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:05,620
and the chicks squealed,

658
00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:07,540
the police department didn't even have any
clue,

659
00:26:07,540 --> 00:26:08,380
in this murder at all,

660
00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:09,540
they didn't even want it,

661
00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:12,380
I know the Los Angeles police didn't want to
find them,

662
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:14,940
but the particular girl broke down in jail,

663
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:15,900
and told another woman,

664
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:17,019
and that's how they were found,

665
00:26:17,019 --> 00:26:18,460
the police department did not find them,

666
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:21,060
just like the FBI did not find James Earl
White,

667
00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:22,740
Scotland Yard did it,

668
00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:24,460
when he just had one foot on a plane,

669
00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:25,620
and one foot to Rhodesia,

670
00:26:25,619 --> 00:26:27,619
where he would never be extradited,

671
00:26:27,619 --> 00:26:28,539
Scotland Yard did it,

672
00:26:28,539 --> 00:26:30,299
the FBI didn't do it,

673
00:26:30,299 --> 00:26:32,739
so what happened was that,

674
00:26:32,739 --> 00:26:37,659
the police had to go to where the Manson
family lived,

675
00:26:37,659 --> 00:26:39,539
and what did they find there,

676
00:26:39,539 --> 00:26:42,579
they found what the newspaper described,

677
00:26:42,579 --> 00:26:47,179
as the ritualistic killing done by
self-confessed hippies,

678
00:26:47,179 --> 00:26:50,139
in what they called a military style commune,

679
00:26:50,139 --> 00:26:51,539
now how,

680
00:26:51,539 --> 00:26:53,419
first the news media,

681
00:26:53,419 --> 00:26:55,139
should define hippie,

682
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:56,500
the word hippie,

683
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:58,900
because the hippie that I knew,

684
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:01,660
from 67 to 69,

685
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:04,740
didn't mean a military operation,

686
00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:05,980
in any sense of the word,

687
00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:08,780
anybody else's mind in the world,

688
00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:10,700
nor did it the Rand Corporation,

689
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:12,740
or the President of the United States,

690
00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:14,380
or John Mitchell,

691
00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:16,340
hippie did not mean military,

692
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:17,820
it was anti-military,

693
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:18,900
it was anti-war,

694
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:22,020
it was let's get it together generation,

695
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,180
so when they found the real killer,

696
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:26,259
and he has this beard and guitar,

697
00:27:26,259 --> 00:27:28,220
they just can't call him an ex-convict,

698
00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:31,180
they have to call it a military style
commune,

699
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:33,660
we must have military style commune in
Vietnam,

700
00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:35,580
if a commune is where people all live
together,

701
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:36,420
in your military,

702
00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:38,299
it's a military commune,

703
00:27:38,299 --> 00:27:40,299
but it certainly isn't a hippie commune,

704
00:27:40,299 --> 00:27:42,340
but they have to make it a hippie thing,

705
00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:44,420
now what did they have in the commune,

706
00:27:44,420 --> 00:27:46,620
they had shacks with lookout points,

707
00:27:46,620 --> 00:27:47,820
they had telescopes,

708
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:49,380
they had walkie talkies,

709
00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:52,060
they had military field telephones,

710
00:27:52,059 --> 00:27:55,139
they had collections of knives and shotguns,

711
00:27:55,139 --> 00:27:57,379
they had four wheel drive bicycles,

712
00:27:57,379 --> 00:27:59,779
the neighbors turned them in for threatening
them,

713
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:01,779
they drove all night and made so much noise,

714
00:28:01,779 --> 00:28:02,619
the neighbors said,

715
00:28:02,619 --> 00:28:03,899
you know, you keep us awake,

716
00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:04,899
and they said, oh, we'll kill you,

717
00:28:04,899 --> 00:28:05,859
if you don't shut up,

718
00:28:05,859 --> 00:28:08,019
they threatened their lives,

719
00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:10,500
and then the news media picked up right away,

720
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:15,500
that evidently the crime had all the marks of
premeditation,

721
00:28:16,019 --> 00:28:17,819
and they mentioned then,

722
00:28:17,819 --> 00:28:20,379
that the telephone wires were cut at the Tate
home,

723
00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:22,780
I remembered that in August,

724
00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:23,780
but in December,

725
00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:25,060
when they were discovered,

726
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:28,900
they went into the shares and the problem in
the weapons,

727
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:33,060
now Sheriff Tom Montgomery of Collin County
in Texas,

728
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:35,780
was taking care of his cousin at that time,

729
00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:38,580
that the police came into this little
commune,

730
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:40,540
where Sue Atkins was talking,

731
00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:44,500
cousin Charles Tex Watson was safe in Texas,

732
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:48,940
he was watched by this first cousin of his,

733
00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:52,500
he was described as clean cut, short hair,

734
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,019
he was living a happy life,

735
00:28:54,019 --> 00:28:55,180
a girlfriend testified,

736
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:57,779
they were having pleasant sexual
relationships,

737
00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:59,580
he was normal in every sense of the word,

738
00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:01,259
those seven massacres that he did,

739
00:29:01,259 --> 00:29:03,460
didn't seem to bother him at all,

740
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:06,059
he didn't even mention them to her,

741
00:29:06,059 --> 00:29:07,380
he was not mentally sick,

742
00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:08,539
he was not depressed,

743
00:29:08,539 --> 00:29:10,580
he had done a good job,

744
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:12,779
and when Charles Manson and the others

745
00:29:12,779 --> 00:29:14,940
were arrested in Los Angeles,

746
00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:17,700
they put this young boy, Charles Watson,

747
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,819
in the jail with his cousin to take care of
him,

748
00:29:21,819 --> 00:29:26,660
now we're going into who was Charles Manson,

749
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:28,700
all right we'll do that in just a moment,

750
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:32,100
you're listening to Dialogue Assassination
with May Bressel,

751
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:36,299
this is KLIB Stereo FM Carmel by the Sea,

752
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:47,660
now we're gonna talk briefly about Charles
Manson,

753
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:49,900
and Charles Watson,

754
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,620
and the implications in this particular case,

755
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:54,380
and how I follow it,

756
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:55,900
and why it's of interest to me,

757
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:57,420
because in every case,

758
00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:01,060
beyond what the news media tells you,

759
00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:02,300
you're looking for facts,

760
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,660
you're looking like in the Oswald case,

761
00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:06,540
they tell you Oswald was a communist,

762
00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:09,019
or he was a misfit in society,

763
00:30:09,019 --> 00:30:11,580
but then when I see my documents that he had,

764
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:14,700
cameras, walkie talkies, electronic devices,

765
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,420
security clearances,

766
00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:18,500
then I wanna know more about Lee Harvey
Oswald,

767
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,539
and I wanna know about Charles Manson,

768
00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:22,660
because he was 32,

769
00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:26,300
and he did spend 22 years of his life in
jail,

770
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:30,140
now a prominent attorney by the name of
George Shibley,

771
00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:33,740
who works with groups in the Middle East,

772
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:36,259
and Beverly Hills has powerful connections,

773
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:39,900
met with Charles Manson,

774
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:43,340
just before he got out of jail at Treasure
Island,

775
00:30:44,179 --> 00:30:47,419
and no one will know what conversation
transpired

776
00:30:47,419 --> 00:30:48,419
between Mr. Shibley,

777
00:30:48,419 --> 00:30:49,779
or why he was up there,

778
00:30:49,779 --> 00:30:51,819
or why Charles Manson,

779
00:30:51,819 --> 00:30:54,859
this unknown, this illegitimate child,

780
00:30:54,859 --> 00:30:57,939
16 year old girl, no family or kin,

781
00:30:57,939 --> 00:31:00,099
no one would know how Charlie Manson

782
00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:03,539
would get such a famous Beverly Hills
attorney,

783
00:31:03,539 --> 00:31:06,059
to visit him before he's paroled,

784
00:31:06,059 --> 00:31:08,299
no one will ever know the conversation

785
00:31:08,299 --> 00:31:10,899
that transpired between those men,

786
00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:13,580
but what we do know is that when Charlie
Manson

787
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:16,380
got out of Treasure Island in 1967,

788
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:18,340
at the height of the Haight-Ajbursie,

789
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:23,300
he had a bus, a large bus,

790
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:27,500
and he did not buy it, he did not have a job,

791
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:31,100
and he had credit cards for gasoline,

792
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,380
now in the trial, some subject was made up

793
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:37,860
that one of the girls stole a credit card

794
00:31:37,899 --> 00:31:41,179
from her family to buy Charlie gasoline,

795
00:31:41,179 --> 00:31:43,659
I am sure the parents would have had him
arrested

796
00:31:43,659 --> 00:31:47,459
before long, you can't go for two years

797
00:31:47,459 --> 00:31:49,459
on a stolen credit card,

798
00:31:49,459 --> 00:31:52,019
Charlie was never arrested,

799
00:31:52,019 --> 00:31:54,779
and one of the questions in one of the
articles I have

800
00:31:54,779 --> 00:31:58,699
is it simply said he had a credit card,

801
00:31:58,699 --> 00:32:03,099
and in order to do a study of a covert
operation

802
00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:05,059
or a murder or a simple murder,

803
00:32:05,099 --> 00:32:09,019
who paid the gasoline for Charlie Manson?

804
00:32:09,019 --> 00:32:11,299
Now I know being locked up for 22 years

805
00:32:11,299 --> 00:32:12,819
and with a strong sexual drive,

806
00:32:12,819 --> 00:32:16,899
it may be fun to have 20 or 30 chicks around
you,

807
00:32:16,899 --> 00:32:20,099
but they still have to eat, they have to have
housing,

808
00:32:20,099 --> 00:32:23,179
who was buying the machine guns, the
walkie-talkies,

809
00:32:23,179 --> 00:32:26,059
the dune buggies, even on the edge of the
Mojave Desert,

810
00:32:26,059 --> 00:32:27,539
they didn't steal all of it,

811
00:32:27,539 --> 00:32:30,259
none of them were hardly ever arrested for
anything,

812
00:32:30,259 --> 00:32:33,220
they had parts of expensive cars,

813
00:32:33,259 --> 00:32:36,620
they had material things that are warfare
things,

814
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:38,460
and they didn't ever get arrested,

815
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,259
and the gasoline, once in a while as
punishment,

816
00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:43,100
the girls would have to go out

817
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:45,019
and take food out of garbage cans,

818
00:32:45,019 --> 00:32:45,860
that was their punishment,

819
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:47,339
maybe for not sleeping with Charlie

820
00:32:47,339 --> 00:32:48,700
or a guest or something like that,

821
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,299
but for the most part,

822
00:32:50,299 --> 00:32:52,220
none of them suffered malnutrition,

823
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:53,460
they had healthy babies,

824
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:54,819
they seemed to be doing very well,

825
00:32:54,819 --> 00:32:56,620
they had guests at the ranch,

826
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:59,339
where was this money coming from,

827
00:32:59,339 --> 00:33:03,140
from the day he left that jail?

828
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:05,300
Until the Sharon Tate murders,

829
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,140
just like I followed the money of the James
Ray case

830
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:10,100
from the day he left the Missouri jail,

831
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,420
he went right to a trailer the first night
that was open,

832
00:33:13,420 --> 00:33:15,220
there was wine there, there was everything,

833
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:17,420
but the welcome sign, and maybe that was
there,

834
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:19,540
and within a day he had a car,

835
00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,460
pretty soon he was on his way to Canada,

836
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:25,180
a resort, motel, and fancy place,

837
00:33:25,180 --> 00:33:28,820
where did the money come from the time
Charlie Manson

838
00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:31,460
was in jail until the Sharon Tate murder?

839
00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:34,420
Now we go to Charles Watson,

840
00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:38,940
this was a clean cut boy who did these
murders,

841
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:41,220
he came from Texas,

842
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:45,819
and the question was, where was he
approached?

843
00:33:45,819 --> 00:33:47,420
How did he get into this case?

844
00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:49,500
Was it of his own volition?

845
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:51,539
Last week on the Monterey Peninsula,

846
00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:52,740
there was an article in the paper

847
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:57,740
that a boy was picked up as a hitchhiker in
Santa Cruz,

848
00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:00,539
and he was thrown out of the car,

849
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:02,659
the Highlands Inn, and we talked about that

850
00:34:02,659 --> 00:34:05,579
a little bit on a show, and he was almost
killed,

851
00:34:05,579 --> 00:34:08,179
and the subject of the conversation was

852
00:34:08,179 --> 00:34:12,219
that one of the four men who just about
killed him

853
00:34:12,219 --> 00:34:16,659
was, he said, I'm from the Manson family in
Texas,

854
00:34:16,659 --> 00:34:17,860
and that caught my interest,

855
00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:20,059
because I know that something very big

856
00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:23,179
in the planning stage of this particular
massacre

857
00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:25,019
took place in the state of Texas,

858
00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:28,380
so I went to community hospital to discuss
with this boy,

859
00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:30,820
this boy attended five years of college

860
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:32,820
in the American system of education,

861
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:35,260
he was about to go to the Peace Corps

862
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:37,500
and go to the Philippines the next week,

863
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,900
was almost dead out at community hospital

864
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,940
after just going down our beautiful coast

865
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:43,900
and being picked up and roughed up

866
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:45,220
by somebody who claimed to be

867
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:47,619
from the Manson family in Texas.

868
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:49,860
Now, we don't know much,

869
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:51,780
because it's never brought out in these
trials,

870
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:54,579
about the background of Charles Watson,

871
00:34:54,579 --> 00:34:56,579
except that he did appear with a beard

872
00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,179
and became part of the Manson family,

873
00:35:00,179 --> 00:35:03,219
but when Charles Manson was arrested,

874
00:35:03,219 --> 00:35:06,739
a law firm sent two lawyers went to Texas

875
00:35:06,739 --> 00:35:10,659
to see this particular boy, Charles Watson,

876
00:35:10,659 --> 00:35:13,779
and Judge Brown, Judge David Brown,

877
00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:16,420
said to the lawyers from Beverly Hills,
California,

878
00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:19,259
you take the next plane back to California,

879
00:35:19,259 --> 00:35:23,059
that I will put you in jail for 72 hours or
fine you

880
00:35:23,059 --> 00:35:25,259
if you don't get back to California,

881
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:26,820
and the lawyers said, well, wait a minute,

882
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:29,380
that's our client, we wanna see him.

883
00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:31,540
The lawyer that wanted to see Charles Watson

884
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:34,340
was named Mr. DeLoach,

885
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:37,580
and he called a press conference at a Dallas
hotel,

886
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:40,180
and DeLoach said this at the press
conference,

887
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:42,780
he said, I came to see my client,

888
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:45,820
that Charles Watson had been in his office

889
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:49,740
in Los Angeles, California, 30 or 40 times

890
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:52,060
prior to the killing of Sharon Tate

891
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:55,140
and the other six people in Los Angeles.

892
00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:57,859
DeLoach said, his own background was

893
00:35:57,859 --> 00:35:59,659
that he was a Republican candidate

894
00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:01,819
for the state assembly in 1964,

895
00:36:01,819 --> 00:36:04,460
and he was chairman of the Young Republicans,

896
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:06,059
and he belonged to a law firm

897
00:36:06,059 --> 00:36:09,299
on Santa Monica Boulevard in Los Angeles.

898
00:36:09,299 --> 00:36:12,900
At the jail, to keep Mr. DeLoach from seeing
Charles Watson,

899
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,379
were 20 Texas highway patrolmen,

900
00:36:15,379 --> 00:36:17,940
sheriff's deputies guarding him,

901
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:20,819
and they fought the extradition for eight
months.

902
00:36:20,819 --> 00:36:23,500
Now, when you're talking about conspiracies

903
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:26,699
or going into every avenue that has to be
developed,

904
00:36:26,699 --> 00:36:28,539
in the course of the trial,

905
00:36:28,539 --> 00:36:31,219
Mr. Watson claims for his defense

906
00:36:31,219 --> 00:36:34,420
that Charlie Manson masterminded him,

907
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:36,860
programmed him that the hippie used magic,

908
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:38,539
a Satan kind of thing,

909
00:36:38,539 --> 00:36:42,900
to control him to use his knife to kill these
people.

910
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,820
That prior to that time, prior to meeting
Manson,

911
00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:49,780
he was not involved in any kind of violence
or altercation.

912
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:52,219
Now, I've seen no record publicly

913
00:36:52,219 --> 00:36:55,980
that Mr. Watson had a traffic violation

914
00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:58,099
or any kind of problem,

915
00:36:58,099 --> 00:37:01,379
that this 20-year-old boy needed an attorney

916
00:37:01,379 --> 00:37:05,899
from the Republican National Young Republican
Committee

917
00:37:05,899 --> 00:37:07,099
40 times.

918
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:10,739
I know what the expenses are to meet with any
attorney,

919
00:37:10,739 --> 00:37:12,379
even for one hour,

920
00:37:12,379 --> 00:37:14,980
and people use attorneys or public defenders

921
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:17,139
if they have small altercations.

922
00:37:17,139 --> 00:37:19,579
But to go to a prominent law office

923
00:37:19,579 --> 00:37:21,939
of a man named Mr. DeLoach,

924
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:25,059
30 to 40 times prior to the time

925
00:37:25,059 --> 00:37:27,820
that you're gonna kill seven people

926
00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:29,380
is worth investigating,

927
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:31,300
and it's particularly worth investigating

928
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,860
because the boy isn't even really considered

929
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:35,780
a criminal or a murderer.

930
00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:38,619
When the trial for Charlie Manson took place,

931
00:37:38,619 --> 00:37:40,820
this boy was in Texas,

932
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:42,900
and he didn't even, they fought the
extradition,

933
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,539
so he later wouldn't be associated as part of
that clan,

934
00:37:46,539 --> 00:37:50,460
but as the robot or the project of that
society.

935
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:52,659
Now, the psychiatrist claimed

936
00:37:52,659 --> 00:37:54,980
that when the decision was made

937
00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:57,740
to remove Charles Watson to California,

938
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:02,740
that he became a catatonic, schizophrenic
vegetable

939
00:38:03,340 --> 00:38:04,900
in a fetal position.

940
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,780
Eight months in Texas, he was doing just
fine.

941
00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:10,619
He didn't lose a pound, he didn't lose a
night's sleep.

942
00:38:10,619 --> 00:38:12,699
He was just having a good time,

943
00:38:12,699 --> 00:38:16,740
and when the decision came to bring him to
California,

944
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:18,380
he became very sick,

945
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:22,140
and now they have said, the prosecution
claims

946
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:23,420
that he was faking this,

947
00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:25,220
that when the psychiatrists look at the other
way,

948
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,220
he would take a different posture

949
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:28,940
and he would talk to people,

950
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:31,780
and the jury has been out for two days

951
00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:34,099
trying to decide if Charles Watson

952
00:38:34,099 --> 00:38:36,420
was guilty of those murders.

953
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:39,220
They have to deliberate two days when the,

954
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:42,140
it is common knowledge that he was in the
home,

955
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:44,740
he did the murders, and Manson was never in
the home

956
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:46,420
where seven people were killed.

957
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:49,579
Now if that isn't a topsy turvy, crazy world,

958
00:38:49,579 --> 00:38:50,900
I don't know what it is.

959
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:54,940
Now how does your mind get affected

960
00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:58,059
to only associate the murder with one man

961
00:38:58,059 --> 00:39:00,500
and let the other man off the hook like this?

962
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:05,500
I'm going to read headlines from this
particular case

963
00:39:05,539 --> 00:39:08,260
just for a few days in December,

964
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:11,460
the way they were reading, coming off the
press.

965
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:15,059
The first article I told you was in October
69,

966
00:39:15,099 --> 00:39:17,860
did hate kill tate, that was the first
opinion

967
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:19,940
about who did it by Ed Butler.

968
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:22,579
In November there was a very objective
article

969
00:39:22,579 --> 00:39:24,900
saying the grand jury is to end the probe

970
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,019
of these seven deaths, that they don't know
what to do.

971
00:39:28,019 --> 00:39:33,019
Now in December, they began to describe
Watson

972
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:38,059
as a, in quotes, man, they called him a man,

973
00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:41,659
and that Manson was the hippie, the guru
Satan

974
00:39:41,659 --> 00:39:43,500
that influenced the man.

975
00:39:43,539 --> 00:39:45,460
The man did the killings,

976
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:49,699
and the hippie guru Satan influenced him.

977
00:39:49,699 --> 00:39:51,900
The headline of December 2nd said,

978
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,860
nomadic hippies in the tate murder.

979
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:59,739
December the 3rd, three suspects in tate case
tied to guru.

980
00:40:00,699 --> 00:40:03,420
December the 4th, accused killers lived no
mad life

981
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:05,460
with magnetic guru.

982
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:08,860
December the 4th, another paper said,
hypnotic killers,

983
00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:13,420
hippie bands that are controlled by an evil
genius.

984
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:16,619
Another headline, father became a hippie

985
00:40:16,619 --> 00:40:19,260
looking for Sharon Tate clues.

986
00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:21,740
Sharon Tate's father dressed as a hippie,

987
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:24,460
looked around with drug addicts and vagabonds

988
00:40:24,460 --> 00:40:27,780
for four months, he was in army intelligence,

989
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:31,099
and he was looking for hippies who killed his
daughter.

990
00:40:31,099 --> 00:40:32,860
Another headline, these are the headlines,

991
00:40:32,860 --> 00:40:37,340
not sentences from article, a move to indict
God.

992
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:41,900
Another headline, the DA asked hippie cult
indictment.

993
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:45,460
Another one, inside the cult's desert
hideout,

994
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:50,220
family members talk of black magic, sex,
murder.

995
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:53,380
You see the headline is putting all of these
things

996
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:55,900
in your heads, but it's not telling you,

997
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:58,740
like the early articles, about the military
type

998
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:00,300
of killing that it was.

999
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,460
Another headline, Charlie Manson,

1000
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,539
nomadic guru, flirted with crime.

1001
00:41:05,539 --> 00:41:09,139
Another one, hippie family member describes
the murder.

1002
00:41:09,179 --> 00:41:13,099
Another one describes that the murders is
bizarre, twisted.

1003
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,699
Cult leader, fought at the war between the
races,

1004
00:41:16,699 --> 00:41:19,460
the cult leader, mystic hippie, in quotes,

1005
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:21,819
used dune buggies, mounted machine guns

1006
00:41:21,819 --> 00:41:25,059
to trigger a negro versus white war.

1007
00:41:25,059 --> 00:41:28,980
Another headline, hippie Satan clan is
indicted.

1008
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:32,179
Talkative cult leader, arranged in slayings.

1009
00:41:32,179 --> 00:41:34,619
Another headline, leader of a hippie cult,

1010
00:41:34,619 --> 00:41:37,539
held in isolated cell, hippie leader,

1011
00:41:37,699 --> 00:41:39,500
can take case in maximum security.

1012
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,860
If they wanna say the alleged murderer

1013
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:45,619
is in maximum security, he's the hippie
leader in security.

1014
00:41:45,619 --> 00:41:48,779
He's the hippie leader in isolated cell.

1015
00:41:48,779 --> 00:41:51,820
Article, another article, the hippie
mystique.

1016
00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:54,179
Another one, the love and terror cult,

1017
00:41:54,179 --> 00:41:56,779
the dark edge of hippie life.

1018
00:41:56,779 --> 00:42:01,059
Life Magazine published a cover of Lee Harvey
Oswald,

1019
00:42:01,059 --> 00:42:04,539
holding a gun, the shadows, the discrepancies

1020
00:42:04,539 --> 00:42:06,619
in the murder are horrendous.

1021
00:42:06,779 --> 00:42:08,779
They implant in your mind, this is the boy,

1022
00:42:08,779 --> 00:42:11,579
this is the gun, none of it was true.

1023
00:42:11,579 --> 00:42:14,980
Life Magazine had a cover of James Earl Ray,

1024
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:18,299
this poverty-ridden, depressed prisoner

1025
00:42:18,299 --> 00:42:20,500
who killed Martin Luther King.

1026
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,500
They said he was an orphan, none of that was
true.

1027
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,500
A member of his family, it was father's
living.

1028
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,339
I mean, all of that was untrue.

1029
00:42:27,339 --> 00:42:30,460
Member of Life Magazine, December the 19th,

1030
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:34,659
large cover of Charlie Manson's eyes, all
blown up.

1031
00:42:34,699 --> 00:42:36,539
Not in Texas, not wanting to understand

1032
00:42:36,539 --> 00:42:38,819
the American phenomena of hostility

1033
00:42:38,819 --> 00:42:41,859
behind a blue suit and a white shirt

1034
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:43,940
and a necktie and short hair, the killer,

1035
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:47,019
not wanting to know how the Whitman boys
kill,

1036
00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:49,500
how the college people kill, the brain
children,

1037
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,659
one of the brightest children in this town,
Charlie Watson.

1038
00:42:53,659 --> 00:42:57,099
Nobody doing psychological, sociological
studies

1039
00:42:57,099 --> 00:42:59,299
on the actual killers.

1040
00:42:59,299 --> 00:43:02,500
No, Life Magazine has a cover of Manson.

1041
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,460
Nobody would sleep at night or give a kid on
the road a ride

1042
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:08,019
even you saw Manson's eyes, not a chance.

1043
00:43:08,019 --> 00:43:10,940
They called it the love and terror cult.

1044
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:13,420
Then Richard Nixon comes into the act.

1045
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:16,099
Headlines, here is a man who was guilty

1046
00:43:16,099 --> 00:43:21,019
directly or indirectly of eight murders
without reason.

1047
00:43:21,019 --> 00:43:23,179
They hadn't even come to a verdict in the
trial.

1048
00:43:23,179 --> 00:43:25,079
Richard Nixon was in on the act.

1049
00:43:26,179 --> 00:43:28,340
John Mitchell got into the act.

1050
00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:31,380
Then they, headlines, Manson race theory,

1051
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:34,900
rested on the Beatles, then began a long
attack on the Beatles.

1052
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:38,740
Now those are the headlines of one month in
December.

1053
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:40,940
That went on for one year.

1054
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:44,500
And the consequence is that in Carmel Valley

1055
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:49,140
or down to Big Sur, how many people would you
pick up today?

1056
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:51,420
How many people do you put in your car

1057
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:54,220
or give a lift to or take into your home?

1058
00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:55,140
Who would you trust?

1059
00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:58,380
Who is disguised as a hippie with a knife

1060
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:00,539
that is going to come down on you?

1061
00:44:00,539 --> 00:44:02,980
I was in my neighbor's home across the street
from me

1062
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:05,159
one day and we were talking about something.

1063
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:09,099
And a man from the police force in Seaside,

1064
00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:13,619
a black man had come there and he didn't know
who I was

1065
00:44:13,619 --> 00:44:16,659
and we were rapping and he had been down at
Lyme Kille Creek

1066
00:44:16,659 --> 00:44:18,619
and he had lived with hippies for two weeks

1067
00:44:18,619 --> 00:44:21,800
and smoked their grass and probably enjoyed
the sex

1068
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,219
and the relationships and the vibes.

1069
00:44:24,219 --> 00:44:27,219
And he was going home, he was on his way home
to Seaside

1070
00:44:27,379 --> 00:44:28,699
and he was going to cling and shave and go
down

1071
00:44:28,699 --> 00:44:31,259
and make a bust on those people.

1072
00:44:31,259 --> 00:44:33,099
Dressed as a hippie, beard.

1073
00:44:33,099 --> 00:44:34,500
He was going to take his beard off.

1074
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,939
I have seen it, I've lived with it.

1075
00:44:36,939 --> 00:44:40,699
You can't give a lift because the agent
provocateurs,

1076
00:44:40,699 --> 00:44:43,879
the covert government is working, it's
working in our city

1077
00:44:43,879 --> 00:44:46,219
and I can say it works on a national scale.

1078
00:44:47,939 --> 00:44:51,059
You read in the paper yesterday, maybe,

1079
00:44:51,059 --> 00:44:54,259
how much of the Pentagon papers is not being
published

1080
00:44:54,259 --> 00:44:55,980
and why it's being withheld.

1081
00:44:56,019 --> 00:44:59,880
And a large part of it is the covert
relationship

1082
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,880
to Vietnam, the agents in disguise in Laos or
in Vietnam,

1083
00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:07,219
our hidden war.

1084
00:45:07,219 --> 00:45:09,460
The mans and things is a hidden war,

1085
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:12,420
it's a hidden war against the youth and it
worked.

1086
00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:14,940
If you take enough agents and give them
blades

1087
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:16,980
or give them money or give them the assurance

1088
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:19,460
that if they're arrested, they'll get off,

1089
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:20,539
they will mess up.

1090
00:45:20,539 --> 00:45:23,699
These kids, somebody came to my home a few
weeks ago

1091
00:45:23,699 --> 00:45:25,460
who had hijacked across the country

1092
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:29,340
and it was really scary and he went to some
town in Idaho

1093
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:31,500
and this sheriff says, oh, did we have fun
last night?

1094
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:33,699
We took this nigger hippie and tied him up

1095
00:45:33,699 --> 00:45:36,539
and dumped him in the river and got rid of
him forever.

1096
00:45:36,539 --> 00:45:40,059
And this is what I am hearing because I am
talking

1097
00:45:40,059 --> 00:45:42,500
about these things and when I talk, I get a
feedback

1098
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,699
and people come to me and say, right on,

1099
00:45:44,699 --> 00:45:46,340
this is what's happening.

1100
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:49,179
So I'm just showing you, if you multiply one
month

1101
00:45:49,179 --> 00:45:52,300
of headlines and you sat with my collection

1102
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:55,260
or somebody just published how the news media

1103
00:45:56,060 --> 00:45:56,900
comes down on you.

1104
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:59,380
Now, who were the lawyers involved in these
cases?

1105
00:45:59,380 --> 00:46:00,860
How do they overlap?

1106
00:46:00,860 --> 00:46:03,180
Joseph Ball from the Warren Commission

1107
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:05,780
was in with Sue Atkins, the girl who's to
turn

1108
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:07,180
the state's evidence.

1109
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:10,580
A man named Lawrence Schiller made a record

1110
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:14,980
with Jack Ruby on January the 2nd, 1967,

1111
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:17,820
in which he, Ruby said there was no
conspiracy

1112
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:20,940
to kill Oswald and he was not part of a
conspiracy

1113
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:24,860
and it was made for capital records, capital
record

1114
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:27,660
and this man, I knew on January the 2nd,

1115
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:29,500
when I read that in the paper, I knew that
Ruby

1116
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:33,940
then would be dead within days because it was
now recorded

1117
00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:35,420
for history, there was no conspiracy.

1118
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:38,579
No one could see Jack Ruby except capital
record.

1119
00:46:38,579 --> 00:46:39,500
The only person they could see,

1120
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,700
Jack Schiller, Lawrence Schiller was with
him.

1121
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:45,380
January the 4th, two days later, Ruby was
dead.

1122
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:47,300
The morning I read that in my paper,

1123
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,900
the capital record got into that hospital
room

1124
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:52,820
and got this recording of Ruby's voice.

1125
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:55,420
I knew then that now Ruby could leave this
earth.

1126
00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:58,140
You see, it's all down for posterity.

1127
00:46:58,140 --> 00:47:00,019
Now this same Lawrence Schiller is the man

1128
00:47:00,019 --> 00:47:04,340
who gave Sue Atkins $150,000 to turn the
state's evidence

1129
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:07,340
to say that man's and man's terminated the
murders.

1130
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:10,019
She made $150,000.

1131
00:47:10,019 --> 00:47:13,420
It was described as an unusual legal trade.

1132
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:16,340
Joseph Ball, who worked with the Warren
Commission,

1133
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:19,140
was with parties involved in the Sharon Tate
massacre.

1134
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:21,780
George Shibley, who worked with Serhan and
all of us

1135
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:23,540
and McKissick is in his office,

1136
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:25,600
they worked with the Serhan case.

1137
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,580
They were in on the Sharon Tate case.

1138
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:31,740
The lawyers overlap.

1139
00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:34,540
Now, Lawrence Schiller wrote a book

1140
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:37,220
about the Sharon Tate massacres.

1141
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:39,140
And this is the way his book starts.

1142
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:41,460
He paid this huge amount to Sue Atkins

1143
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:42,580
to turn state's evidence.

1144
00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:44,420
And I'm gonna read you what he had to say.

1145
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:47,460
I read you what Ed Butler said, who worked
with Oswald.

1146
00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:48,300
Here is Schiller.

1147
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,420
He said, where did it all start?

1148
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:52,700
We can see them going to San Francisco

1149
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:55,980
with flowers in their hair, they're flower
children.

1150
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:58,960
The Haight-Ashbury hippies link together

1151
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,019
in the history of the Americas of 1960.

1152
00:48:03,019 --> 00:48:04,880
I'm gonna stop the quote now to say,

1153
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,860
this is where we started this hour,

1154
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:10,840
that I began in 67 with those flower children

1155
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,460
and started a file in my filing system

1156
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:16,659
on the flower children, knowing that within
two

1157
00:48:16,659 --> 00:48:20,460
to three years, everything would break down
on their heads.

1158
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:23,019
Now it's interesting that Lawrence Schiller
begins his book.

1159
00:48:23,019 --> 00:48:24,219
Where did it all start?

1160
00:48:24,219 --> 00:48:27,779
We see them on the road, those flower
children.

1161
00:48:27,779 --> 00:48:29,659
He said, a movement which sprang

1162
00:48:29,659 --> 00:48:32,619
from multiple revolutions of the 60s,

1163
00:48:32,619 --> 00:48:35,519
the new morality, the revolt of youth.

1164
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,779
The middle class watched them,

1165
00:48:37,779 --> 00:48:40,379
relieved, happy to be spectators.

1166
00:48:40,379 --> 00:48:42,079
When the Sharon Tate murder happened

1167
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,679
because it was two out groups that fell on
each other,

1168
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,559
the people that were making their loose,

1169
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,199
sexy implies and the drugs,

1170
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,839
it was two out groups sitting at each other.

1171
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:53,919
Now he goes, and the youth of today

1172
00:48:53,919 --> 00:48:57,460
followed the precepts of their forebears
until this time.

1173
00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:59,960
But mass communication changed everything

1174
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,059
and changed our youth.

1175
00:49:01,059 --> 00:49:05,119
They traveled, they had experiences,
information, money.

1176
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,119
And how could you bring people inundated with
facts of life

1177
00:49:10,339 --> 00:49:12,679
to believe the Puritan ethic?

1178
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:15,759
I'm gonna digress again, stop the quote.

1179
00:49:15,759 --> 00:49:17,179
We talked about Greece.

1180
00:49:17,179 --> 00:49:18,960
I was watching Greece for two years.

1181
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,559
I was watching the hippies.

1182
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:24,000
Here is Lawrence Schiller in and the thick of
everything,

1183
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,500
telling you just where I was two years
earlier,

1184
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:29,239
watching how it was gonna come down.

1185
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,199
Now we're getting back to his quotation.

1186
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,679
Young people having rejected the ethics,

1187
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:38,019
rejected the laws which were based upon them.

1188
00:49:38,019 --> 00:49:40,119
And they were right for a new liberation.

1189
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,159
And then he perverts the whole thing

1190
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,759
and says when Charlie Manson came along,

1191
00:49:44,759 --> 00:49:48,920
our chemical messiah and the essence of their
life

1192
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,199
was anti-establishment.

1193
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,960
They had to throw down the Puritan ethics,
the laws.

1194
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,279
He implies they could become lawless and
immoral

1195
00:49:57,279 --> 00:49:59,639
and throw around their sex and their bodies.

1196
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:04,119
And they latched on to what he called the
chemical messiah.

1197
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,199
Now who bought the LSD and the chemicals?

1198
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:11,879
Did our government pay Charlie's way, his
bus, his gas?

1199
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,880
Was he a chemical messiah or was he designed
out of Texas

1200
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,320
or Muscle Shoals, Alabama where everything
else is assigned

1201
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,200
and the lawyers are sent?

1202
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,400
Who designed Charlie Manson?

1203
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Lawrence Schiller is telling you he's a
chemical messiah

1204
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,000
and I'm saying somebody bought his chemistry.

1205
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,039
He didn't, it wasn't all handed to him.

1206
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:32,360
And the government bought it to him

1207
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,800
and put on his costume, his leather coat and
his guitar

1208
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,039
and said Charlie get on the road.

1209
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:41,519
Now Schiller says Manson drifted into the
hippie scene

1210
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,679
and he admits he was another ex-con

1211
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:49,000
seeking protective coloration from the
hippies.

1212
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,280
I claim that he was an ex-con who went into
the hippie scene

1213
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,280
to pick up the jargon to do a job like the
mafia does,

1214
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,719
a job like we do in Vietnam, like a soldier
goes out to kill.

1215
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,199
We send boys out to Fort Ord for six weeks
training,

1216
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:04,599
chanting kill the commies.

1217
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,840
Would they pick up the jargon of the jungle

1218
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,920
because they're gonna be in the jungle?

1219
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,280
They didn't arrive that way, we teach them
the jargon

1220
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,880
and Charlie Manson was taught

1221
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,720
because he was gonna pretend to be a hippie.

1222
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,840
He hated the hippie being called a hippie.

1223
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,960
The book mentions it, he disliked being
called a hippie.

1224
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,200
So they put him in a beat up school bus

1225
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,880
and they called at the Manson family and they
headed south

1226
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,960
and Manson learned to play the guitar

1227
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,360
and to sing and write music.

1228
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,519
And that was his last occupation.

1229
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:36,960
This is what he was trained for in the
federal prison.

1230
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,039
Lawrence Schiller tells you in the federal
prison,

1231
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,840
they rehabilitate you to go out on the street

1232
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,280
and they bought Charlie a guitar

1233
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,599
and he had an inkling for music and he was a
natural.

1234
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:49,199
He's probably horny as hell

1235
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,119
and wanting to get on the road anyway.

1236
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,800
He was just a beautiful natural,

1237
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,000
he had all this hostility.

1238
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,159
He said, I did it cause I wanted to make it
look

1239
00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:58,199
like the blacks were doing it.

1240
00:51:58,199 --> 00:51:59,720
I want to speed a race war.

1241
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:04,079
He's violently anti-black and he could sing a
song

1242
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,199
and carry a tune and he had the natural
hatred

1243
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,440
and he loved the chicks and he was just
perfect

1244
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,279
for the role.

1245
00:52:10,279 --> 00:52:11,840
He was just right for it.

1246
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Now Schiller went on that his livelihood

1247
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,880
when they let him out of this prison was

1248
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,679
that he was gonna be a musician.

1249
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:19,639
Now within one year, Lawrence Schiller says,

1250
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,039
Charlie Manson went out of prison mingling

1251
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,159
with the Hollywood stars in 1968

1252
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,920
and the Manson family somehow was making it

1253
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,759
with the establishment and they were going to
be part

1254
00:52:30,759 --> 00:52:32,880
of Hollywood's plushest parties.

1255
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,559
Now Lawrence Schiller is saying that a year
later,

1256
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,920
Charlie is right in there with the biggest
people of all.

1257
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,200
Now that's pretty interesting considering the
lawyer

1258
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,440
that he saw before he got out of Treasure
Island

1259
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,599
and the lawyer that Tex Watson is saying

1260
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:48,760
before these crimes are committed,

1261
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,400
that these boys were wined and dined in the
music scene

1262
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,200
in the art scene by certain people

1263
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,440
before the massacres took place.

1264
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,920
Now, Lawrence Schiller said in a true sense,

1265
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,119
the Manson family weren't hippies at all.

1266
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,519
Manson didn't like being called a hippie
either.

1267
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,159
Well, I guarantee Lawrence Schiller

1268
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:10,960
that the hippies didn't like it either.

1269
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,960
He knows they didn't.

1270
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,200
He said the hippies didn't like it.

1271
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,240
I know they did.

1272
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,000
It ended everything that was really good

1273
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,720
that was coming down.

1274
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:20,079
And then he concludes the introduction

1275
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:21,519
to his book on Sharon Tate saying,

1276
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:26,039
it was a strange satanic whim that sent those
people

1277
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,840
into Benedict Canyon and I claim it was more

1278
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,240
than a satanic whim that the book that Mr.
Kaiser

1279
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,320
puts out in Oakland and advertises in Esquire
magazine

1280
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,280
and the use of this word Satan and witchcraft

1281
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,280
is a conceived program disguises covert
government

1282
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,920
to come down on this generation and it has
succeeded

1283
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,360
and nobody really feels safe in the area

1284
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,960
or around the country.

1285
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,920
And the effect that they wanted has happened,
you see.

1286
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,400
Now I just gave a sentence from an article

1287
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,240
a few last week and I'm going back to
conclude

1288
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,320
with a few remarks of Marshall Singer.

1289
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,680
It was an article that was printed in April
1970.

1290
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,400
Observations on the Sharon Tate massacre and
Charlie Manson.

1291
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,079
And he says, Charlie Manson is certainly
enigmatic.

1292
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:19,920
Is he a victim or a monster?

1293
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,680
He's equal parts of Charlie Chaplin and Jack
the Ripper,

1294
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,719
he had been arrested 37 times in his 35
years.

1295
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,879
And Manson said, I'll tell you, I'm not from
your society.

1296
00:54:31,879 --> 00:54:34,559
I've spent most of my life in a world of bars

1297
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,679
and solitary confinement and my philosophy
comes

1298
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:40,679
from underneath the boots and the sticks and
the clubs

1299
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,000
that they beat people with, who come from the
wrong side

1300
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,559
of tracks and people like me are society
scapegoats.

1301
00:54:49,399 --> 00:54:52,960
And this is James Ray, the same thing,
society scapegoats.

1302
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:57,399
Jack Ruby is society scapegoat, he can be
used.

1303
00:54:57,399 --> 00:55:02,039
He's Jewish, he's poor, he's kicked around by
the anti-semitism

1304
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:04,359
rich oil people, he's used when they want,

1305
00:55:04,359 --> 00:55:08,759
he stepped on when he wants, he is just a
pushed around kid

1306
00:55:08,759 --> 00:55:10,919
who wanted to make this world be recognized,

1307
00:55:10,919 --> 00:55:14,480
it's just what he is and always carrying this
heavy load

1308
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,480
of anti-semitism and underdog and playing a
game

1309
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,480
with the military and the mafia and the oil
people

1310
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,960
for approval and affection.

1311
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,920
If I do your work, will you love me now?

1312
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,920
The minute he shot Oswald, Jack Ruby said,

1313
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,599
I want to prove to them that I had guts.

1314
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,400
And he took the challenge and Manson saying,

1315
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,519
people like me are society scapegoats.

1316
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,920
Now, the article by Marshall Singer goes on
to say

1317
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,960
that Lawrence Schiller got the confessions

1318
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,559
of this Atkins girl, she was 21 and pretty

1319
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:54,559
and she would say that she was victimized by
Manson

1320
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,840
and how she had to hold Sharon Tate in her
arms.

1321
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,039
So Tex Charles Watson could stab this
particular female

1322
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,639
who was pregnant and all the other people.

1323
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,679
Now, Manson had a lot of hostility,

1324
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:08,960
he tells you he was kicked around,

1325
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,440
his plans were to assemble these dune buggies

1326
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,920
and have an armada against the pigs,

1327
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,239
against the black people, against the cops,

1328
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,000
he would kill cops, he'd been arrested all
these times,

1329
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,359
he'd been in isolation, he would kill them,

1330
00:56:22,359 --> 00:56:24,239
but he would make it look like blacks did

1331
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,279
and he would be getting even with blacks

1332
00:56:26,279 --> 00:56:30,159
and cops at the same time and he hoped to
wipe out

1333
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:33,759
both groups that he hated so much.

1334
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,839
The article does say that in the early 60s,

1335
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:39,719
we had our own magical potions

1336
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,079
and we had a handsome young president

1337
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,239
who held out promises and when he was killed,

1338
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,039
a lot of the dreams went away

1339
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
and when people like Manson break in with us,

1340
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,440
it is a reality too complex and too banal to
understand.

1341
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,599
Now in one hour, it's hard for me to really

1342
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,519
wrap up the complexity of this

1343
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,239
because each week we talk about the covert
government,

1344
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,279
the overthrow, change in the economic system,

1345
00:57:05,279 --> 00:57:08,880
this is what the Sharon Tate massacre was
about

1346
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,759
and I hope that in this one brief hour,

1347
00:57:12,759 --> 00:57:15,480
you can understand how minds all over the
world

1348
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,000
can be affected by killing just seven people

1349
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,960
and perverting the news media every day and
every hour

1350
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,320
to keep this image going where the truth of
the murders

1351
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,480
is different than what the news is saying.

1352
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,719
Thank you, May.

1353
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,320
I don't see how you got it in one hour,

1354
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,320
but you seem to do it.

1355
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,159
Thank you.

1356
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:35,000
Okay.