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Hey ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Thank you for joining us here. Henrik with Red

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Eyes TV. Always a pleasure having you with us. Today we are going to talk about Charles

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Manson, who of course, as you know, died at the age of 83 in prison. He was actually narrowly

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escaping a death sentence, I think a year later. He'd been in prison for one year when California

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actually abolished the death penalty. So he actually lingered for a long time in prison.

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And it could frankly be that if he had died at that point, maybe his martyrdom would have been

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even greater, so to speak. But this is a very interesting story around Manson and who kind of

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basically engineered him, who created him, what is he a product of, and who is behind him, and for

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what purpose. Those are some of the questions that we're going to try to kind of dig deeper into

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today and talk about together with Jay Dyer, who's back on the show. Good to have you here, Jay.

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Always a pleasure. Let's kind of just begin and chit chat a little bit about this, because there's

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many facets, many aspects to Manson and kind of what made him into what he is, of course. But the

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main essence that people should know is that he's not an isolated phenomena that rose out of nowhere.

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He did what he did, and then he vanished. It seems for us who are looking at the evidence,

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if we both are to speak about what we know about him, but also speculate a little bit at the same

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time, that he was a product, if you will, of years of experimentation, things that seems to have been

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initiated actually in London initially. He was dragged into this thing of the process church,

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which had actually earlier roots in London. And then, of course, he transforms with his first,

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I think, when he's in jail for the first time, he joins Scientology, and there's a time between

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Scientology and the process of the church. And at some point, he basically begins to transform into

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this demon, this monster, which manipulates other people to basically do his crime. But how do we

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understand Charles Manson and what he comes out of? What environment?

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You won't understand Manson, buddy. I'll show you Charles Manson. Red eyes and commie, commie

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ice, red commie ice. I got the brain of a child and the fingers of a monster. That's how you

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understand Charles Manson. A lot of mumbo jumbo, in other words. Red commie ice, but...

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You got me popsicle, you got me popsicle, red eyes.

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We're all in on it. He does say that in the interviews. He'll start dancing and he'll say

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that you're all in on it. He's definitely high energy when you look at some of the interviews

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with him, you know? It's huge. High energy. It's gonna be huge.

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But why are people sucked into someone like him then? Why are people, because he's like,

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he's the devil, but he's Jesus, and he's fulfilling all these archetypes where basically

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people are, for some reason, they're drawn to that. They want that. They want to be around that.

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Right? It's been some years since I read in depth into Manson, but I can kind of recall

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roughly what the basic outline was, is that he grew up very poor. I don't think he had a mother,

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or his mother was a prostitute or something of that effect, and he didn't know his father.

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There was a lack of parental guidance, obviously. He ended up in the juvenile delinquent system

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very early for petty crimes. I don't know how true this is, but the story is that when he was in

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Kentucky, if I recall, he would kind of wander around burial mounds. In Kentucky, there's a

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lot of Indian burial mounds. He kind of had this feeling that he was being spoken to by spirits,

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and this kind of stuff. But I think that he was probably just kind of crazy early on due to

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dysfunctional upbringing. Then he gets into the institutional system by the time he's old enough.

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I don't remember what his crimes were. It is there that he's introduced to Scientology,

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at least the story goes. If I recall, he achieved the ThetaClear level, which is,

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I don't know if you know about the Xenu when you're at ThetaClear and the aliens,

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maybe it's right below that level. I don't know. Regardless, the analyses of different people is

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that he seemed to be a different person after this process. There's some speculation that

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he might have been used as an experiment. There actually is documentation in different MKUltra

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books where they would use prison facilities for experimentation. Dr. Ewan Cameron was involved

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in this in psychiatric institutes. Dr. John C. Lilly actually had been reading his book

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about programming with LSD, and he actually was one of the MKUltra doctors. He specifically says

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that the prisons were used. I don't know exactly what prisons were used, but I'm saying that it is

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possible that that's who you're going to experiment on. You're going to experiment on people that

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have signed themselves over to the system. You were talking military people. The military

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owns you. If you are in federal prison, the prison system owns you. The psychiatric system,

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very easy to utilize these people for something like that. Again, I don't know for sure, but this

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is what people have speculated. When he comes out of that prison system, then he wanders to LA and

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is involved in the Laurel Canyon scene, which Dave McGowan's written extensively about. This is

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the hotbed, the Petri dish incubator for the coming hippie revolution. I think that this is

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where he's going to play a central role in being one of these figures, a cult of personality

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figure. This is what you were getting at with the creation of a cult. He is, I believe, a social

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experiment in terms of can we use a shamanic, creepy, weirdo figure to be a cult magnet.

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That's exactly what you see with Manson. He was just briefly from 61 to 1966 at McNeil Island,

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which is in Washington state, one of these penitentiaries. Of course, it's years later

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that he kills Sharon Tate. Again, he apparently didn't do this, but he convinced his family

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members to do this for him. Again, the point is well taken. We don't know what kind of things he

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went through at that point. We don't know what happened with him during his experimentation with

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Scientology and the process and all that stuff. There is some footage. Let's play a little bit

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of that, actually him talking about the process. Let's just listen into this. I was in prison

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when the Dianetics first started. 1950. We fought the establishment. The black Muslims

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were coming in with the Koran on the dark side of the moon and the Islamic arm of the church

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and the Mason area. I don't know how to put the Masons involved in that. I don't want to get

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tripped up with anyone else on any other level. But he came up with Dianetics 1950.

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A lot of the guys were interested in studying the way to process the mind,

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how to clear your mind from past confusion, how to resurrect the soul and be reborn within yourself.

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That's where Scientology started. Then they started selling it. Then it got to be the process.

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Then the church, the last day, the last judgment, I sent some people to England. I couldn't go

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myself, but I sent some people there to do some certain things to make an effect, to cause

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an awakening, an awareness. Bruce was just one person that went in that direction.

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There were some other people riding motorcycles that were doing some other things.

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He goes on. That's interesting. The process of the church, the final judgment, you have people

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like Robert de Grimstone. That's early in the process. They're experimenting with all these

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different ways. As I said, how to take control of the mind or clean the mind. A lot of weird

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stuff. I'm not against this kind of soul experimentation and trying to unlock different

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properties of yourself. You're a geller.

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Bending spoons and all that stuff. It's clear that-

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You bend your Viking swords with your mind.

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I've not been able to do that yet. I can't even bend it with my hands.

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The Grimstone is part of that early process. As you said, he did this in prison and all that

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stuff. Are these the guys we should look at over in London as the precursor to

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what happened in the States later with all these other cults that pop up?

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I recall de Grimstone was a failed Catholic priest. He was considering trying to get into

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the priesthood. I think there was a pederast case, if I recall. I think that's in William

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Kennedy's book, Lucifer's Lodge. He, together with this woman named- What's her name?

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Mary Ann McLean, they create this cult, which is a spinoff of Scientology.

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She is directly connected to a prostitution ring that was associated with British spies

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in terms of the Profumo affair, which is one of the most famous British espionage cases.

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The Mary Ann McLean woman, I think, is very suspicious. With the British spy circles,

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you would have a direct connect to the Tavistock Institute because they were

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specializing in British psychological warfare approaches. They were the ones studying trauma,

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shell shock after World War I, and all the stuff that we talked about a few interviews ago.

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What they did was they kind of put together Mr. Potato Head with a cult, like,

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let's stick a Jesus-looking beard on the guy, let's stick a swastika here,

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let's put Jesus and Satan together, and let's see how that one works, like a test tube.

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I think you're absolutely right to pinpoint the connection to- I had not even seen that clip,

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so that actually backed up my theory that there was a direct connect to London.

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I had no idea Manson talked about that.

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Yep, very interesting, right? And Berkowitz was also part, I think,

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son of Sam, the other killer, he was part of this- I forget the story here, there was-

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yeah, this is detailing some of it on Paranoia Magazine, this article, which is very interesting,

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which goes into the early Scientology connections between the process church of the final judgment

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and the Manson family, you know?

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Yes, there is a thesis that police investigator Mari Terry posed a long time ago in his book,

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Ultimate Evil, that maybe there was something behind not just Manson, but also son of Sam,

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also perhaps Henry Lee Lucas and some of these other cult figures, and famous ritual murders

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that were going on at the time of the explosion of the serial killer phenomenon. It's really

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Manson that kicks this off in the media sphere. I mean, certainly there have been serial killers

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before, but Manson kicks this off in the media sphere to initiate the idea of this serial killer,

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and it's odd because, as you pointed out, Manson himself doesn't actually kill anybody,

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so he's not technically a serial killer. He sends his brainwashed girls, his harem, to do it,

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harem of assassins, at least so the story goes, but what different writers like Mari Terry,

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not just Terry, other people too, have written books on the possibility that the patterns that

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pop up in Son of Sam, and Berkowitz saying that he was actually part of a group called a family

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cult, not the same as Manson, but Manson names it cult. I think I have it at the children.

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Was that what the- That's it, the children.

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The children, right? Yeah. That's it. So there's the children,

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there's Manson's family, you have the zodiac at the same time as all this as well.

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That's right. And a lot of people have pointed out that

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the zodiac seems to bear a lot of stamps of perhaps military intelligence, naval intelligence,

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ONI type stuff. That's again a thesis. Other writers have posited that these might be

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murders that were placed upon certain criminals to kind of just clean up unsolved cases.

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And then certain magazines, certain papers might have cashed in on the fact that, oh,

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now there's this trending topic of the serial killer. Let's create some news stories and

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sensationalism. So all these factors could be involved, but what I'm getting at is that when

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you look at the tendencies of, there's usually some kind of Hollywood connection, there's a

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military intelligence connection, a CIA connection, something like that. There's the usage of drugs

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and brainwashing, MKUltra type stuff just happens to be. There is usually some kind of pedophilia,

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pederasty. Again, look at the children of God cult, right? I mean, this is what

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Rose McGowan, Joaquin Phoenix, River Phoenix, they come out of this cult. This is a pederasty cult

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run by a guy who, again, tries to put on the Jesus mask and pretend he's Jesus and whatnot.

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And it also has these Hollywood connections, right? And it's a commune. So we're starting

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to see this experimentation, this lab experiment in all of these different examples. And the same

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will go for Jim Jones. What does Jim Jones do? He goes down to Brazil and under the cover of

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different NGO type agencies that have for a long time been used by the CIA, like World Vision or

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USAID, they're down there studying the local indigenous religions, the candomblé, the drug

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use by the shamans. And then they come back and they just happen to set up their cults where

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people are drugged. I mean, come on. But the guy he's down there liaisoning with, probably his

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handler is an unknown CIA guy, Dan Mitrione. Yep. It's fascinating. And they know what components

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they need to use, right? They need to play on powerful archetypes. They need to bring in some,

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you know, Christian theology, but spice it up with the devil. Yeah, exactly. A little bit of this,

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a little bit of that, right? And the end result is, of course, that depending on what the outcome

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is, it works. Or I think that they discover that, yes, we can do this. Now, we don't know what the

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goal was. Maybe it was to just murder one and they killed several, or it was just reversed. They

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wanted to try to have him kill 100 and they just did a few. That we don't know. We don't know the

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motivations of what they actually wanted to do. But it's enough of experimentation in social

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engineering for them to realize that they can upset things in this capacity. So what I believe

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happened, Jay, is that what happens with Manson specifically is that when you bring in not only

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the drugs and all that kind of stuff into it, but the combination of what they call the British

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invasion with all the music coming out of tab stock, such as the Beatles and all the stuff.

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I mean, that's really when Manson supposedly goes over the edge. When the Beatles release

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their white album, right? That's when Helter Skelter is on. That's when he gets, I guess,

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all these ideas about a race war and stuff. He interprets it in that way. So something triggers

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in him there and we don't know, is it the music? Is there something in there? Or is that just what

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happens when a guy takes tons of acid and just sees these things in everything and what to do?

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We don't know. We just don't know that. So what you're saying is, has the real Paul McCartney,

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who is it? He's dead, man. He's dead, right? Joke. I don't even I've never even really looked into

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that. But what I'm saying is, yes, you're right that that Beatles have, again, at the same time

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as the British invasion, you have the Crowley and invasion is one thing we could call it.

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Because you mentioned the Scientology and Process Church. What were where did L Ron Hubbard learn

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his cult skills? Where was he before he started the military? Oh, he's called and in the military.

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Yep. So as a follower, Crowley, what I what I think Hubbard did was kind of take the skills

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that he learned there and in naval work that he did and come up with a formula for a cult.

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I think that the same pattern is what happens in the rock bands. So rock bands and rock leaders

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are cults too. And that's what they were studying with Tabistock. That's why the Beatles are hanging

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out with Maharshi Mahesh Yogi is that they're trying to figure out how they can be these icons

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of being a guru. Yeah. Now, what's the point of that was? Yeah, it's the party and get laid. But

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that's not all there is to it. Because there's a lot of money. There's a lot of power and influence

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behind these commodities. And that's what they are. And they're not just commodities to make money.

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They're also agents of change, their cultural transition agents for a purpose. And that's

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precisely why Tabistock comes into play here. And it's not just how stock there's all the

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American analogs for the exact same stuff. Ray and Corporation has for decades studied

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pop culture, how to alter and change things and sell things through pop culture. That's what I

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wrote about in my book. Yeah, and that has been the biggest change agent, if you want to call it

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that has been the method through how they transform from a more conservative family

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oriented culture and the 60s. And that's why this period is so interesting, because it all just

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explodes onto the scene at this point. America won the Second World War, the evil guy, the

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Nazis are gone now. Now we can, you know, let's party now. Let's do all these things and release

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the drugs and do all the stuff. And the reality is that the CIA and these other intelligence

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services have an intricate role in disseminating them and starting the experimentation starting

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and testing, seeing what works and what doesn't work. And I think it's partially also why they

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bring religion into it is to create dedication beyond reason, right? That they need that element

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of faith, they need that element of like something which is simply higher than the material reality

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itself. And that's where that comes in. Yeah, there was a I'm thinking of the the there were

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magazines actually in the 70s, which I didn't know this until very recently, one of them was

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called Star magazine. And what it did in the 70s, early 70s was promote the idea of the groupie.

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So you had one of the predecessors to Manson, Vito Palikas, and Vito was this nutball,

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who oddly enough wasn't pro drugs. And he would actually talk about how the CIA and the government

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use drugs to to mind bomb everybody and to socially engineer, but he's also running his

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cult. So I think he knows what's going on. And he's the beginning of the groupie. He's the beginning

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of the whiskey go go the doors and these different bands are playing and they weren't actually that

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good music wise. So what they had to do to bring in audiences was have a bunch of bare nested babes,

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you know, bouncing around. And that's where Vito came in, is that he would bring his flock of

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runaways in. And so people would go see these concerts, the Mamas and the Papas doors and

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whatnot, because Vito's bare breasted babes were there. And this is actually what got the hippie

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stuff going. This is the guy, by the way, folks, for you watching the video version. That's the guy

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Jay's talking about right there. He sees that he's British, I guess. And he is exactly as you said,

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which is very interesting. He was mentioned that LSD watch out for that kids. It's all government

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and stuff. He seems to be a blueprint of certain aspects of kind of the archetype that they're

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developing, but then they add in their own components later as detailed. Yeah. So after

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him comes Manson and Manson basically mirrors Vito and all these different, you know, cult patterns.

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He's, you know, he's got the harem, he's got the young kids. Vito was an advocate, as I understand,

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of pedophilia. Manson was into that. There's a definite tie into Hollywood. The spawn ranch

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where the family was actually an old movie set. So you have Manson hanging out in the circles of

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Roman Polanski and the circles of the beach boys. You know, he it's all kind of a cauldron there

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from whence this brew spews forward. And what it does is more so than it being, oh, Charles Manson

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is like a mind controlled assassin, which I'm not denying, you know, the horrendous nature of

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the ritual murder. But what I'm getting at is that the real effect of it is culture wide mass

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consciousness. That's the whole purpose of it. Because of what it does is, you know, you'll talk

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to people from that generation that were there and that's, oh, JFK and Manson that destroyed

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America's innocence. Right. And so it did achieve the social engineering trauma factor,

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you know, that it was that was that was trying to go for. So that was the whole point of it.

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And that's why Manson I think is so central is that he's one of these, he's like a sticker,

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like a sticker that you stick on anything that you want to to be basically ruined. Right. So

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early on, early on, I do think that there were I'm not a leftist, but I do think there were some

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people who were genuinely anti war. And then they were trying to do this through their music.

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And so what they would do is with any of these Laurel Canyon creepers, you know, weirdos,

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John Phillips, you know, mamas and papas, and Frank Zappa, and these kind of people is that

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they would pick out who were the real anti war people. And what they would do is they would

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thrust to the forefront somebody who was just a total hedonistic, Dionysian degenerate like Jim

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Morrison. And so what they could do is with Manson is that any anything that you want to

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taint to make look funky and nasty is you just stick the Manson sticker on it. Oh,

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Charles Manson talks about, you know, stopping the war. Oh, you're like Manson, you don't think that

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these wars are good. You see what I'm saying? And that's a very powerful, you know,

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disinformation tactic that's gone on for a long time. Oh, you talk about race. Oh, you're like

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that Manson guy, you can get to put the Manson sticker on. And that's literally happened just

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in the last few days, right? That everyone is latching onto this guy and trying to prove that

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their enemies is like Manson. So what some of the earlier stuff that was done by people is that

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while Manson was there to make the hippie movement seem ridiculous and silly, and as you say,

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maybe that was true in the beginning, in the initial stages of it. Yeah, sure. I would agree

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with that. Here's a classic headline, you know, that those people have found CIA documents and

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supposedly they say, you know, the hippie movement is too influential, it's changing people's

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perception on the Vietnam War. But what the CIA did is instead of killing it was to take it over,

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merge with it and control it and take it in a different direction and stuff like that.

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But later, as you say, and this is evidence because it's happened in the last couple of days,

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is that they take it into this direction where basically, no, actually, Charles Manson was a

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white supremacist, right? With the Helter Skelter and with his swastika. But as I said earlier,

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when we spoke, he initially had an X in his forehead and that he converted that later over

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to a swastika, meaning someone is literally handling this guy and just telling him, no, no,

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go in this direction now, do this. But he would have made the X-Men look bad and the X-Men,

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the X-Men are an image of gay rights. So. Oh, there you go. Exactly. Well, so, you know,

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here's a video playing here where basically the discredited publication Newsweek connects Manson to

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the alt-right. You know, today the alt-right has adopted some ideas of his white supremacist. I

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mean, it's like so predictable. They even went further, by the way, just because of the fact

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that they talk about race, right? They have to be Charles Manson. But Fox News had a detail here

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of how one of their authors also connected it to Trump, right? He's Trump. You know, that's like

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brilliant. You know, and that's, that's what it's gonna be. Charlie, good friend, great guy,

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gonna be huge. It's ridiculous. I mean, Newsweek is tanking. We know it's fake news. It's all

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bullshit. But, you know, for a little while it works, you know, it works for a little while. So

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how do we deconstruct that? That they use it in whatever way they want to. They just,

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they create these, you know, demons and people's champions and they just steer it off in whatever

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direction they want. But seeing through it is what helps, Jake, seeing what they're doing.

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Yeah. I mean, if you look at the Laurel Canyon scene, and I don't mean to dwell on this too

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much, but it's very illustrative. You have not just the creation of this

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burgeoning counterculture music movement, which again, I think there were a lot of sincere artists

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and musicians who they, I mean, I'm not saying they were geniuses, but they probably just didn't

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like the idea of constant wars. What's the point of all this? And so what you have is you have

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a bunch of families and military intelligence people, and it's their kids who are the ones

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that are thrust into stardom. You know, Jim Morrison's dad is an admiral. He's involved

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directly in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. This is public history, but Jim Morrison would never

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talk about that. Jim Morrison would always say, Oh, my dad's dead. His dad wasn't dead. His dad was

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an admiral. So why is it that Jim Morrison is suddenly the image of this music scene,

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this burgeoning culture creation scene? Well, it's because Jim Morrison is not just a kind

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of a nutball, but he promotes a lot of degeneracy. I mean, you watch old videos of Jim Morrison and

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he's he's humping the speaker on stage and, you know, pulling his wanker out. He's opening the door.

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He's breaking on to the through to the other side. That's right. Lighting it on fire.

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Yeah. And so what I'm getting at is that these characters,

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it's I don't think that it's accidental that they were actually supported by the establishment. So

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like Atlantic Records, who was at this time, if I recall, run by a Turkish guy who was connected

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to some intelligence group, like Turkish intelligence at this time, and he somehow becomes

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the owner of Atlantic, right? What they promote, like all these counterculture people. Now, why

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would Atlantic Records, AM radio rolling all the big magazines at the time? I don't know if

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Rolling Stone was out then, but all the big magazines at the time start promoting all these

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counterculture people who don't have any real philosophy or political bent. They're just

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Dionysian hedonists. And the point is that if they were truly countercultural,

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they would not be promoted by all of these mainstream establishment,

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promotional figures, Time Magazine. That's another one of the big ones that promoted

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all these guys is Time Magazine. And that's because, by the way, Henry Luce, who owned

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Time Magazine, it's called bonus guy, Henry Luce and his wife, Claire Booth Luce, were very big in

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promoting LSD. They would actually they actually promoted it on the cover of some Time Magazine

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issues back at the time. And that's because they were connected to Gordon Watson, who went down to

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Latin and Central America. Carlos Castaneda was part of this too, by the way. And they were

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studying the indigenous religions to create the mind control shaman. So what you're looking at in

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these nutballs is versions of mind control shaman. Jim Morrison would talk about himself like that,

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like he was the shaman figure. Yeah, the kind of a witch doctor,

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Dionysian almost, yeah, Loki type. You don't know if they're good or they evil, but that see those

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properties, I think, draw people into it as well. Because you can read everything.

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Oh, he's so deep. He does poetry on stage and he talks about-

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You need to decode it. And what is it? And then he was like, well, there's nothing there.

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You know, it's like, it's bullshit.

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The snake is on the lake, taking a break.

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The lizard king, you know, yeah. It goes on, you know.

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But one of the things too that's interesting that I wanted to talk a little bit about

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is that there is these weird connections kind of at the time as well that, you know,

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different aspects that kind of flow into each other. For example, right, let's talk about,

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I guess the Dakota building in New York is a central piece in this because it was, you know,

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John Lennon, he had an apartment in the Dakota. Mark David Chapman, who shot Lennon, he was,

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he shot him outside of the Dakota building, right? In the building at the time is where they shot

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Rosemary's baby, which is basically about, you know, Satan's son incarnate coming to earth

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shot by Roman Polanski.

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Roman Polanski, exactly, which is married to Sharon Tate, who's murdered by the Manson family

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and the clan and the family and all that stuff. And so that's just one of these like weird kind

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of coincidences that just where everything kind of ties in together. I don't know if there's any

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thought behind this or if that's just what happened at the time, but there's many of these,

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many kind of weird, weird things like that, where it seems that someone is almost like pulling the

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string kind of behind the scenes. And Chapman, of course, Mark David Chapman was the guy who

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read the Catcher in the Rise, Salinger has all these connections to also to the intelligence

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services and stuff like that. There's a movie called Chapter 27, which is pretty interesting

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that details that. And 27, it's the age of where all these pop stars die at, by the way, the 27

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club, you know, so there's all these weird synchronicities and kind of occult connections.

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What do you make of that? Yeah, I think you're right. In fact, when you look into Mark David

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Chapman, he thought he was obsessed with Wizard of Oz and he would, he would read everything in the

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Wizard of Oz kind of mythos, which again does actually pop up at times in MKLTRA mind control

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stuff. I was finally able to verify one aspect of that word. Dr. Ewan Cameron actually did

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use the Wizard of Oz in a lot of his LSD reprogramming tests. And he had convinced this

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one woman through electroshock and through the administration of so much LSD that she thought

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she was Alice in, you know, in the rabbit hole or whatever. So there were actual connections. That's

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not just a conspiracy myth. There is one that's in Search for the Man's Sharing Candidate. John

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Marks details that experiment. So what I'm getting at is that I don't know if

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Mark David Chapman was for sure, you know, in part of some MKLTRA program, but he was, as you said,

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in these bizarre evangelical groups for a time, which those have, there's confirmation. Many of

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those have been created by Pentagon and military intelligence for different kinds of experimentations.

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Berkowitz was for a time involved in one of these evangelical groups right after he joined

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the military. With Chapman, it's not just the question of the Wizard of Oz. He actually had

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delusions where he thought that he was interacting with the little people, the munchkins from the

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Wizard of Oz. I'm not joking from the Wizard of Oz. And so why that's relevant is that a guy like

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that with those kinds of delusions could easily be fingered and profiled and picked to be part of

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some kind of operation like this. In other words, when these people go through these kinds of

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military or institutional settings, psychiatric settings, the system, they're profiled and people

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know who the nuts are. And these wackos can actually serve a very useful purpose if you're

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running covert operations or black operations, because you can just pin whatever you're doing

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on some wacko. I'm not saying that makes John Lennon a hero. In fact, the whole thing kind

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of propels John Lennon into superstardom. So it could be that this makes a martyr out of John

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Lennon and the left. But, and again, I don't claim to know. I'm looking at both possibilities. You

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also have John Lennon towards the end of his life coming out and saying, hey man, did you know,

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I've been looking into the conspiracy. They're going to kill everyone, man.

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Does the conspiracy to kill the villain. So maybe they didn't like him talking about,

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you know, radical depopulation agenda, or maybe, you know, the so-called assassination was just

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a way to propel him into being a martyr. And a lot of these rock stars in the 27 Club that you're

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talking about, martyred rock stars or dead rock stars actually propels the mythology.

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Much more powerful, much more. They basically can't put their foot in their mouth

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too much at some point. Right. So again, people see them as these literally as these heroes. So

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it could also probably be this issue that, you know, there might be somewhat control in the

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early stages. It's not really that they don't have that much of a, how do I put it, content

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or direction in like an ideology that they are pushing. But later, if they do wake up to some

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of this stuff, or even how the inside operatives work of entertainment and stuff like that,

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it's very beneficial to take them out at that point. And they end up making more money on them.

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They can turn them into these martyrs, as you say. And it's before they basically started

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spreading any truly dangerous ideas, truly countercultural ideas in the world.

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Well, a great example is Elvis himself. Elvis was into theosophy and all this weird stuff.

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And Elvis became convinced, and his manager was military intelligence, by the way.

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Look, his manager was a general. That is true. That is true.

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And so Elvis starts thinking he's Jesus, and he calls his managers and people

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apostles. I mean, Elvis kind of went nuts and, you know, no telling what drugs he was on, too.

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of the culture creation, a mythos, right? Marilyn Monroe is another one of these,

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and she's important for transformations of views of sexuality. Then then we have the next phase,

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which is like the Manson type, right? Which is even more bizarre and degenerate.

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Yeah, exactly. And it's what do you think that they're using this for? I mean, if you just look

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at Manson specifically, I mean, it might have just as you say, it might just have been the petri dish

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that was the objective, the experiment in itself, it might not be that it needed to serve something

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today that can use as we as we pointed out, as a very important battering ram against any kind of

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movement or you know, whatever you need to basically. So it serves a purpose. But is there

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any deeper like is there any is there any ritualistic nature to this occult nature,

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which they somehow think they tap into or you can utilize? I would say yes, that's very likely

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because some of the people that we mentioned in the background, Robert D. Grimston, you know,

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these are people who actually were for a time, very interested in black magic in sorcery, the

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dark side of the occult and all that. So I think he may have been a handler, I don't know. But

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but I mean, that guy's into some really dark stuff. And you do have people in the background

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of the these kinds of operations usually who usually are into the occult, you know, there's

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there's obviously some cult aspect to the zodiac killings. If you look at Henry Lee Lucas,

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Henry Lee Lucas claimed to have been part of the hand of death cult down near the border of

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Texas and Mexico. And it was later discovered that there actually was a kind of cult compound

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there and that people were being human, there was human trafficking going on and this kind of stuff.

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So I'm not saying that makes Henry Lucas innocent. I don't know actually know what's going on. But

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what I'm saying is that he served a function, most likely as a kind of maybe a hitman or something

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like that. But in many of these cases of these so called killer serial killers, that Manson, etc,

386
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there's absolutely an occult, dark occult ritual aspect to them. And I mean, that goes all the way

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back to like the black Dahlia case, which is quite obviously a ritual murder. Let's get into a little

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bit. But before we do that, let's just talk about this proto you found a case I had never heard of

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it, which was kind of a precursor to Manson and many of these others, LA Weekly did an expose on

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this another suicide bomb cult, I guess 1950s. That's early. They even have actually the one

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interesting note I saw right away is that you see in the backdrop on the door there, they have

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like a Templar cross. And there's another image here a little bit further down in the article where

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you can see on her kind of chest there she has the Templar cross and the process church kind of has

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the Templar cross but twisted all the arms are twisted and it makes it you know, look like a

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swastika, which of course Manson shows up on his forehead with eventually too. But tell us about

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this other cult, Jay. Right. This is interesting because you have this guy who also was former

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military, I forget what his role was. I don't think it was military intelligence, but he starts

398
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calling himself Krishna Venta. And he starts this cult and quite like right away. What's weird about

399
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this cult is that they're in the news at the scene of a famous plane wreck. Now they just

400
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happened to be on the scene to give all the plane wreck people aid, I guess many of them survived.

401
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Some of them were actually famous Hollywood people, very bizarre story. And but what this

402
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did was propel the cult to give them a lot of advertising. So I don't I mean, this didn't

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become like a nationwide cult. It's one of these very specific, unique to California cults. And

404
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you know, there's all the typical cult stuff, the guy looks like Jesus, surprise, surprise.

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And, you know, you've got young kids and brainwashing and all that kind of stuff. And oh,

406
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you got to give the cult all your money. And then what happens is, they are involved in

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a suicide bombing plot, which is very bizarre, which I don't doesn't actually happen. But this

408
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foils the cult. And it goes under. But what's interesting is that yes, this is another guy

409
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who's a proto Manson. This is prior to veto veto pollicus, another proto Manson cult. Again, very

410
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mixed up in big mainstream media stories given press coverage. And then this shady plot of suicide

411
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bombing that ends the cult. Very, very bizarre. Again, like you, I'd only learned about this in

412
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the last couple weeks. So I'm not any kind of expert on it. But but but even LA Weekly says,

413
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Hey, there seems to be a pattern here. Right? So it's not just crazy conspiracy theorists that are

414
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making the connections and seeing these patterns between how a lot of these cults seem to have

415
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something else going on beyond just what they appear to be, which I would say is probably some

416
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kind of social engineering or intelligence function. So there's been different incarnations

417
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of this where they basically are successful, if you will, in some cases, and less successful

418
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in others. And there is a kind of a progression basically, where they, but the epicenter seems

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to be California, it seems to be, you know, this particular area for, for some reason, I don't I

420
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don't know, it just, what about the lookout mountain stuff? Tell us a little bit about that.

421
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Well, I can tell you my, my theory is because California is kind of as a whole, basically,

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a military industrial complex state. I mean, there are hidden bases, there's more bases,

423
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and there's secret Navy Seal bases. I mean, I, my dad was the military, he was stationed in San

424
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Diego. So I know about this. And a lot of this is public. I'm not saying anything secret, you can

425
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look up all the naval bases in San Diego. And so and it is a hotbed of the creation of the cult,

426
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the alternative lifestyle. This was advertised back, you know, 50s and 60s, come to LA,

427
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you know, there's a great scene at the beginning of LA confidential, where Danny DeVito is

428
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actually reading out some sort of promo for like coming to LA. And what they were doing was trying

429
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to sell people on move out here and all your dreams will come true, you know, you'll be a

430
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famous star or whatever. And then LA confidential actually kept that's a good movie that actually

431
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encapsulates kind of what we're talking about here a little bit prior to the cult phenomenon,

432
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this 50s 40s. Could it be that it attracts a certain individual, sorry to interrupt you,

433
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but one who's basically as a willing to kind of leave that maybe they don't they don't have those

434
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strong roots to a certain extent for some reason, right, so that they're willing to uproot and go.

435
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And those who are probably be more successful, susceptible to being swept into whatever they're

436
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part of, whether that's a movie industry around Hollywood, or whether that's some of this military

437
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stuff or some of the occult things going on. Oh, you're spot on. Yeah, I mean, the I mean,

438
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who's gonna do this? Well, the person who thinks they're going to be a movie star, right? Yeah,

439
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I mean, Charles Manson thinks he's going to be a rock star. Yeah, he gets out to to LA to the

440
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Laurel Canyon scene. You know, this is kind of the point of David Lynch's movies, Lost Highway

441
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and Mahalan Drive is it's about, you know, the young girl who goes out to LA, Hollywood, and

442
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ends up in porn or ends up a crack whore. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's the point or and then yeah,

443
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or you're in a cult, you end up in some crazy, crazy cult. And you're, you know, signing over

444
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your inheritance to some guy that looks like Charles Manson. So I'm glad you mentioned Laurel

445
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Canyon scene, though, because what this shows is that the Air Force had a secret studio.

446
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And then eventually, it would be the CIA before it was sold off, where they were processing and

447
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working in the latest film technologies. So this is like cutting it, this is like the cutting edge

448
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,120
industrial light magic Lucasfilm of its day where they're there. And it's 100% totally

449
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military industrial complex operation. This is where actually the atomic bomb footage was

450
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souped up at the Laurel Canyon studios. It was a giant facility. And all of the A-listers of the

451
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time, 50s and 60s actually had access to the studio. So you can actually find in that clip

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that we're about to see here, you're going to see Jimmy Stewart is there at Lookout Mountain

453
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Studios, filming different kinds of government promos and propaganda type videos. Yeah.

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And a lot of the A-listers Walt Disney did a lot of work at Lookout Mountain Studios,

455
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Marilyn Monroe, Cary Grant. And the point is that there's Jimmy Stewart, there's Jimmy Storra,

456
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worship of America, they're gonna fight the comics. Jimmy Storra was actually a

457
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informant. He was an informant for the FBI. He's also in a movie called the FBI story,

458
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which is about the FBI. And Cary Grant also spied for I believe the OSS. And he tried to

459
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out Errol Flynn as a Nazi. Did you know that? I did not know that. Yeah. Good on you, Errol Flynn.

460
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The crazy story, but I think it's probably true. I mean, like the Jimmy Stewart stuff is obvious.

461
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He's in the FBI movie with with J. Edgar Hoover, by the way. Yeah. Anyway, so the point of all

462
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this is that what this shows is that the thesis about Laurel Canyon and Lookout Mountain Studios

463
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is not conspiracy theory or made up. I mean, you're watching them filming war propaganda footage

464
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there. So there was absolutely a 100% military industrial complex connection to the Laurel Canyon

465
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Hollywood scene. And all the A-listers, all the big people are there making movies there.

466
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Interesting. And this was converted over later to a mansion house, which the guy who played Mark

467
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David Chapman, Jared Leto, right? Jared Leto. Yeah, a couple summers ago, I went to LA and I

468
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went and drove. You can't actually go on the property, but you can drive up to Wonderland

469
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Avenue of all roads. You have to get on the Holland Drive. Yeah. And then you get onto

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Wonderland Avenue and you drive up there and you can still see some of the old

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memorabilia and signs from the Air Force. Stuff is still there. But no, it's like a private

472
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residence. So it's not like you can't go inside or anything. Yeah. So there was an interesting

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series of facts when you look into the Lookout Mountain Studio that again,

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not many people have been made aware of until Dave wrote Weird Scenes of the Canyon.

475
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And what he documented was that by 1947, the facility was 100,000 square feet. It had sound

476
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stages, screening rooms, film processing labs, editing facilities, animation department,

477
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17 climate control vaults, helicopter pad and a bomb shelter. It produced 19,000 classified

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motion pictures, more than all the Hollywood Studio system combined at that time.

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Officially, the facility was run by the US Air Force and also produced the Atomic Energy

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Commission footage of the atomic and nuclear bomb tests. And then he goes on to say that 3D

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effects were developed here, apparently, and Hollywood luminaries such as John Ford, Jimmy

482
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Stewart, Howard Hawks, Ronald Reagan, Bing Crosby, Walt Disney, had a Hopper, Marilyn Monroe,

483
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were all given full clearance to the facility and worked on undisclosed projects. It was

484
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retained as many as 250 producers, directors, technicians, editors, animators, civilian and

485
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military along with top security clearances. So what's fascinating is that this has been going on

486
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this whole time. And that shows that this is a military industrial complex state. The rise of

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Hollywood itself is intimately connected to the support and collusion with this kind of stuff,

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with the military industrial complex. There's Bob Hope with this. Was it the USO

489
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band? Arm band he had on there or something? Yeah. So there's other aspects going on here

490
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,720
at the time. Of course, there's a subculture kind of in Hollywood. You have some of the,

491
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you know, the Satanist, the kind of this, I mean, they're kind of poster boy Satanist, Kenneth Anger

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and LeVay and all these people that are kind of tied somewhat tied into this as well. Some of

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the film stars are hanging around these people. They're kind of getting some of their more edgy,

494
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edgy ideas, I guess, from some of these guys. How serious is this in terms of the Satanism

495
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accusations and that these people are into that kind of stuff? Well, again, that's a great point

496
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because this is a cult more or less that comes out of California, right? I mean, modern, the church

497
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of Satan, Anton LeVay, you know, this comes out of California, San Francisco. And I don't think that

498
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,920
that's that church itself is that big of a deal per se. But I think that it is just

499
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another one of the examples of many, many cults that were started that do have high level,

500
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you know, connections. Obviously, there were many, you know, big A-listers that were involved in the

501
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:32,280
Church of Satan, Sammy Davis Jr. and Jane Mansfield, for example. And some weird things happened with

502
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:38,840
that kind of stuff. You know, Jane Mansfield has her bad luck car wreck, right? So, you know,

503
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,600
a lot of weird things going on there. I do some people have made a connection between

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intelligence agencies and the Church of Satan. I'm not sure if that's true or not. But when we

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look at somebody like Michael Aquino, there's obviously a connection and he splits off of the

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00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:00,520
church, you know, Church of Satan, this arts, a temple set, and then is a fairly prominent colonel

507
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who specializes in psychological warfare. And then you have, you know, you have the

508
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Kenneth Angers, Hollywood Babylon, Lucifer Rising, and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's that

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that's a subculture that seems to exist within Hollywood. But it's influential. And that's

510
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the thing is that even though Kenneth Angers movies are awful and not that great, but they

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because they were perceived as edgy at the time, they influenced people later on to do more. I

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mean, in other words, it's kind of a pushing the envelope type of thing. I mean, yeah, exactly.

513
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And that's a good point. I mean, is and that might be just the reason to why we see so much of that

514
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now, especially in the music videos, they just all incorporate that and all the personally,

515
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I'm part of also thinking that it is for the sensationalism value to it that he does, you know,

516
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it generates clicks and views and money and all that kind of stuff. But there's something to it

517
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that they're that they're just drawn to. And I think also that it works and it it's successful

518
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to a certain extent to draw people's attention in because these are, you know, old ritualistic

519
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aspects and symbols and talismans and, you know, powerful things that they're using in their

520
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,360
imagery. And I think that that on some level that that speaks to the subconscious of man for some

521
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reason. I think you're right. I think that's kind of the point. The pattern that we've been seeing

522
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here is that what you see with the movie director and with the production of a film,

523
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that's a kind of what in sociology is called. It's a kind of dramaturgy,

524
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a kind of liturgy drama acted, played out. This is the history of

525
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Sophocles, the plays, the Greek plays, the dramas. They're they're a form of ritual

526
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and they are used for the promotion of an idea or an ideology, whether the people in the crowd

527
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:55,000
know it or not, it is being used in that way. Not everything, but, you know, certainly Greek dramas

528
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:02,360
were used for the promotion of the ideas of the Greek state or Athens or wherever the plays might

529
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,320
be going on. You know, Virgil does this with the Aeneid. He promotes the the Roman state ideology

530
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through the Aeneid. So this is as old as time. And what I think is so bizarre is that it's just

531
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that when you look at this kind of anger stuff, it's just it's like another level of degenerate.

532
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:24,440
It's very, very disgusting. But it's relevant because, you know, he has there you go,

533
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,440
Marianne Faithfull, right? He's in circles of Rolling Stones, he's in the circles of the Beatles

534
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,760
and he's putting, you know, Sharon Tate in his movie. I think she's in Lucifer Rising or one of

535
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,960
the occult ones or maybe Marianne Faithfull's in that one. I can't remember, but Sharon Tate's

536
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,440
in one of them and soon after she ends up dead. Yeah, so there's something too. What was that

537
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,720
other one called Mountain, Sacred Mountain? You know, talking about that. Well, John Orowski has

538
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,800
Holy Mountain. Holy Mountain. Maybe that's the one. Yeah, very weird and stuff. But it's all this

539
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:59,320
kind of pseudo masonic kind of stuff. And we heard Manson earlier, he didn't want to imply them in

540
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,480
anything. But he knew he was aware at that point that, you know, we do move in those circles,

541
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:10,360
specifically probably in L.A. of Scientology, Freemasonry, you know, the subcultures is all

542
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,160
part of it. And Satanism is there as another flavor for those who favor that, I guess.

543
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I think what you have with subcultures, and there's actually a lot of things that back this up,

544
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,400
it's not just speculation, but what you have with subcultures is again, kind of a test tube,

545
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:32,600
kind of a Petri dish, and they might allow or fund or get things going. A great example of this is

546
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,320
also the history of punk rock. You can look at some of the interviews I've done with a

547
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:44,040
couple of guys, John Adams and a guy named Nino, where we they're big fans of the history of

548
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,440
punk rock. And it was the exact same thing where you had kind of had the CIA in the background

549
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:55,000
funding and putting money into different types of movements, just in subcultures to see what

550
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,880
would happen. You find the same trend in the background of grunge music. Actually, this ties

551
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,840
into, you know, the death of Kurt Cobain. And I'm not trying to take a side on like

552
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:11,160
being a big fan of Kurt Cobain. I do think he was probably killed. But I don't really care

553
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:19,880
for the grunge music is what I'm trying to say. But you do have definite selection by powerful

554
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:26,680
individuals to promote different subcultures. And I think not all the time, I'm not saying every

555
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,040
single thing is controlled, but I'm saying that you can find specific evidence where this kind of

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00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:38,040
stuff does change culture. Now, if anybody's skeptical, I would just this last week was

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reading an interview with Heidi Fleiss of all people. And this was an interview from a few

558
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years ago from somebody's book, I don't remember the name of it. But you can Google for interviews

559
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with Heidi Fleiss and find it. And what she says in that interview is that she realizes that she

560
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:01,800
herself was a tool of cultural change. Now, I'm not saying that everything with Heidi Fleiss was

561
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planned. But I'm saying that she says, I realized that I was part of the normalization of the idea

562
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and I want to cheating. And then she goes on to say, and it from me, you got the movement to

563
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:24,200
the idea of reality TV. Right? Yes, that's it. Yeah, it's that vice versa. At the end of that

564
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:32,280
interview, she says that I was part of cultural mass change and cultural perception. Yeah,

565
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,200
yeah. It's interesting. So if Heidi Fleiss knows that, if Heidi Fleiss knows that,

566
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,080
don't you think social engineers know those things? Yeah, exactly. And the reason, of course, why they

567
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and you say it doesn't mean that every little movement and everything is controlled, but it

568
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means that they seek to have a finger in as many pies as possible, because you don't know which

569
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:55,720
flavor of pie the public is going to like. And when that reveals itself, you want to make sure

570
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:59,080
that you're there and part of that group and organization. And that's just how it goes.

571
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,160
And that's true for anything like the stock market or whatever. You diversify your-

572
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,880
But this is what the CIA and MI6 have done this, for example, in the history of,

573
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,000
in Stephen Dorrell's MI6 book, he says that what they would do is they wouldn't have to necessarily

574
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,160
control every single political candidate, it was that they would look and to see where the wind is

575
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:23,480
blowing. And if some political group was trying to enact a coup in some foreign country, all British

576
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,120
intelligence had to do was try to get the guy who was like the number one guy in that group and make

577
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,680
sure he's your man. You don't have to control everything. If it looks like that group is going

578
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:39,000
to come to power, just get their rock star. Yeah, global cultural shift, she mentions, I think,

579
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:44,120
in the interview there too. Yeah, exactly. It was very interesting. And again, this is the stuff

580
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,600
that we've been talking about, that we have engineers, social engineering ongoing to transform

581
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,920
the world. Basically, what people need to understand is that these are tools and things

582
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,960
that they use to transform and shape the world into their image. Ultimately, if you want to create

583
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,960
docile, controllable individuals, you're not just going to be able to overturn all of this

584
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,640
in one generation or in one go. You need to have various different stages of this. And you want

585
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:17,880
people to almost want to have these changes. They want to be excited about this. They want to,

586
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,040
as Aldous Huckley said, that you learn to love your servitude. And that's what pop culture

587
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:28,280
ultimately is. Yeah, the idea of agents of change is very real. And who are the agents of change?

588
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:37,560
Is it all just Barack Obama's? No, it's people in pop culture. Pop culture has a lot more power

589
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:43,400
than some government official or bureaucrat. Now, Obama actually was kind of a pop culture

590
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:49,240
figure too. So it worked for both government and pop culture with Obama. But that's gone on

591
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:54,920
for a long time too. I mean, Reagan goes from Hollywood to presidency. No surprise there.

592
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:01,720
But what I'm saying is that you're absolutely right that there's a there's a there's a it's

593
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:06,760
all about understanding the creation of an image. And this is where we get into the Bernays type.

594
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:13,240
So this is what Bernays studied for the Department of Defense. Bernays was for a while working at,

595
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:17,480
you know, the the War Department, which he renamed the Department of Defense. It's more powerful

596
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:24,520
to be able to figure out how to sell ideas like war. And then you watch a movie like Wag the Dog.

597
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:30,600
And that's a big part of that movie is selling a war through Willie Nelson songs. Right? If you

598
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:37,240
remember the plot movie. And I bring that up because again, this is they show us this stuff

599
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,880
in movies all the time of how this stuff really works. I'll give you a crazy example. You won't

600
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:48,920
believe me. There's a stupid comedy from 1999 2001 somewhere in there. Josie and the Pussycats.

601
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Kind of goofy, silly. But that whole movie is about the military industrial complex studying

602
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,080
pop culture to alter culture. That's the plot of the movie. If you don't believe me, go watch it.

603
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Interesting. I did not know that. And of course, Bernays nephew of Freud, you know, that's why you

604
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,840
have the aspect of why sexuality has been such an important and powerful way for them to use and to

605
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,160
ultimately control people. And that's why much many of these cults kind of evolve around the

606
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,200
that there is another kind of, you know, tie in that they can hook people on and stuff like that.

607
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,440
And then of course, the other subculture in Hollywood is of course, the poor pornography

608
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,280
industry, right, which is like, you know, it all ties into each other, basically here.

609
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,440
Did you see the the people the actress from Smallville, Allison Mack?

610
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,400
No, no. Well, it was just busted that she was running a sex cult.

611
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,760
Oh, interesting. I did not know that. So the girl from Smallville, Allison Mack,

612
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:49,400
was running a sex cult and what they were doing was she was had a handler.

613
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:55,400
She was out recruiting women to come be in the sex cult. And I think she recruited like 29 women.

614
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Mainstream news last week.

615
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,480
Interesting. Very interesting. Tell us about the Black Dahlia stuff then.

616
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,280
Touch on that here a little bit towards the end, Jay.

617
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Yeah, this is I don't claim to be an expert. I just kind of know the basic ideas of the story.

618
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,440
And then there's kind of a couple of famous books, Black Dahlia Avenger by Steve Hodel.

619
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,160
And Steve Hodel argues that it seems to be that his dad was probably the best

620
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,560
case suspect for who was behind this. Other books, too, have point. I came across this

621
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,400
book Exquisite Corpse. And the reason I bring this book in is because

622
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:39,080
Exquisite Corpse ties it into the surrealist movement and the prevailing thesis as to who

623
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:46,200
was involved in the murder of Elizabeth Short in 1947. And the murder has very clear cult

624
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:51,800
overtones because the body is dismembered and it's cut with surgical precision and et cetera,

625
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:58,040
et cetera. The idea and it was made into a Brian De Palma movie, which actually kind of is similar

626
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00:05,080
to Eyes Wide Shut, by the way. But what you see in the Black Dahlia case is somebody who

627
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,960
appears to have had a predilection for surrealist art, and particularly the art of Man Ray.

628
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:19,640
When you look at Man Ray's The Minotaur, you see a body in his artwork that is cut up in the exact

629
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:26,760
or very similar form to the body of Elizabeth Short. And, you know, Man Ray, I think, if I recall,

630
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,920
did describe himself as a Luciferian. And so Man Ray's hanging out with Salvador Dali and he's

631
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:38,840
hanging out with George Hodel. And George Hodel is who most people consider, you know, one of the

632
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:46,200
key suspects because Hodel was a backdoor back alley abortionist. So he was a surgeon, so he had

633
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:53,560
surgical precision. And he was also convicted pedophile. And he hung out with people in the

634
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,400
Laurel Canyon scene. He hung out with John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas. And he hung out

635
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:05,400
with John Huston, who last time we talked about stars in Roman Polanski's Chinatown as the

636
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,520
pedophile. Right. Interesting. So here's John Huston hanging out with George Hodel, convicted

637
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,480
pedophile. He would have orgies and they would sleep. He slept with his daughter, by the way.

638
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:21,640
I think her name was Tamar Hodel. And he's hanging out with Man Ray. And so I think most

639
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,920
people think that probably that's who was behind this famous ritual murder. But the reason it's

640
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:34,040
so hyped up and talked about is because it's one of the clear, you know, early cases of ritual

641
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:39,800
murder, which has these surrealist artwork undertones and overtones. And if you look at the

642
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,000
art of Man Ray, I don't mean the stuff that you find on Google. I mean, like the stuff that's

643
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:53,560
in this book. I mean, it's it's nasty stuff. I mean, it's out of his gourd. And but what I'm

644
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,840
getting at is just that, you know, there's obviously some kind of a cult cult nexus with this with this

645
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,520
murder. And it's all these these high level Hollywood people that seem to be in the circles.

646
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Yeah, very interesting. Yeah. I saw too you had these Rose McGowan was in there.

647
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:15,880
And the she's in that movie. Exactly. Yeah. She comes out of one of the Hollywood cults.

648
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,360
Yep, she does. And now she's in another cult that's going to turn things in a different direction.

649
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,640
The Terminus cult. Exactly. That's just it. All right. Well, interesting. What else? Anything else

650
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,520
we should mention about Manson or I mean, so he's dead now. Is it going to get even worse now with

651
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,040
his kind of cult status or something like that? I mean, I doubt it, to be honest. I mean, he's

652
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,400
just kind of a wacko, right? To most people. I mean, I know that he was the tons of women lined

653
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,080
up and they wanted to have sex with him and they just love him. And you know, for some reason,

654
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,880
that happens. And women are some women are like that. They're drawn to that stuff. But but beyond

655
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:53,240
that, which is a kind of an outlier and anomaly, frankly, are they going to be able to continue

656
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:59,560
to use him? Or is the Charles Manson Manson chapter finally closed at this point? I'm thinking now

657
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,680
that there's an opening for the role, I'm going to audition and I'm not going to be as nutty.

658
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,600
But I think what I'm going to do is have just specifically a cult for supermodels only.

659
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,080
So we're not going to have any of these street skanks like he tried to recruit. I

660
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,840
know I won't be up to quality. I won't have any any markings on my forehead. But no, I'm joking.

661
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,920
I don't know what will come of it. I think he seems to have kind of fizzled out. I mean,

662
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,360
I know what you're talking about with the stories of people sleeping with him and whatnot. But

663
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,560
I mean, I saw an interview a couple years ago where they were

664
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,280
rolling Manson out talking about climate change.

665
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,320
That has to be to discredit climate change then, right?

666
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,960
Or he really maybe he really believes that, you know, because it's all apocalyptic. I mean,

667
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:53,560
it's not thought out. It's just anything that's apocalyptic. Exactly. And that it's all helter

668
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,240
skelter, right? I mean, that's what it goes back to. Ultimately, the shit's going to go down,

669
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:02,360
it's going to all fall apart. And and but somehow these people are there to kind of make sure that

670
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,160
it also happens. It's always the fulfillment of the prophecy itself, right? That the race

671
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:13,320
war stuff that supposedly was encoded into the Beatles album and the song helter skelter was,

672
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:18,680
you know, that they wrote that on the on the on the on the fridge, I think they were pig on

673
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:25,000
on Tate's door. And they wanted it to see seemed that it was the the Black Panthers movement at

674
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,960
the time that had done these murders, right? To kind of instigate a Yeah, they seem to think

675
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:36,200
that it would kick off the race war. I guess that didn't exactly happen the way they thought it

676
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:43,320
would. But but then don't forget, didn't squeaky try to assassinate somebody squeaky from?

677
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:49,640
I have no idea. I think she tried to kill somebody. So I may be misremembering. But point

678
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:56,200
being, I think the big takeaway from Manson, and all these California Colts is these are social

679
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,840
experiments. And, you know, to whatever degree they are, aren't controlled individuals, I think

680
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,960
that what we can see is that their impact is really part of large scale social engineering

681
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:11,960
promotion of degeneracy, basically. And, you know, promote the whole 60s stuff promoted,

682
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:17,880
the rock and roll promoted, free sex, free love, all this stuff, which just revolutionized.

683
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:24,840
In other words, without Manson in the 60s, we wouldn't be at, you know, tranny Sylvania where

684
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:36,520
we are now. Exactly. Count Dracula. We wouldn't be there without Manson in the 60s revolution.

685
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,840
Exactly. It's true. And people need to remember that that like these people instigated these

686
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,640
murderous Colts are those who just continue the social engineering and now we're at the

687
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,960
stage that we're at that all this stuff is just like no one is these people are pushing this. I

688
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:55,800
mean, I don't they're not serious about this. It's not about equality and fairness and loving

689
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,200
yourself and all that kind of bullshit. I mean, they just they're using whatever method they can

690
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:05,960
to push through and transform culture. And they're using these, you know, victimized groups or

691
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,680
whatever, and to let people, you know, drop the guard and basically allow the transformation of

692
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:17,240
society to occur. But ultimately, that transformation is to control. And it's to dominate

693
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,160
society and basically end up in a position where they can they know what's going to happen. We

694
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,000
predict the future because we invented and we control the world and everything is in order

695
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,520
in place. It might seem like a big stretch and kind of weird to people. But the reality is that

696
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:34,360
this is their they're trying any method that they can right now. The victimization groups and all

697
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,760
that stuff is very beneficial to transforming society. It's working. That's why they're pushing

698
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:44,280
it. Yeah, fake, fake victim, victimhood, fake guilt, all this kind of nonsense, which is all weaponized.

699
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:50,360
But yes, that's that's key. I mean, in other words, even even the the mash put mass push for gay

700
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:56,520
rights, you couldn't have that without previous made up, you know, oppression and rights that had

701
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:02,440
to be it's all it's all made up. It's all, you know, the most minuscule little group of, you

702
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:07,240
know, oh, I actually believe that I'm a ferret. I'm a ferret. I'm oppressed because you don't

703
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:13,400
accept that I'm a ferret. And therefore, I need government funding. And I need the Georgia

704
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:19,560
I need George Soros to create the the the Ferret Foundation. Right. Yeah. And the

705
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:25,400
fur transplant. Call me a you will call me a fucking ferret. Yeah. You go to jail and you

706
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:32,360
lose and you need to pay for my fur transplant. All the rest of it. I'm having my body elongated

707
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:37,320
so that I can be a ferret. Anything's possible, man. I would just well just you wait until we

708
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,560
upload ourselves to computers and run simulations, then you can do all of that stuff. Don't worry

709
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:46,280
about it. You know, well, it will just be a big avatar as the movie implies, you know.

710
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:52,600
All right, Jay. Well, awesome. Thank you for for talking about Madison with us. Of course,

711
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,000
ladies and gentlemen, if you want to find out more about Jay's work, jay's analysis.com.

712
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,960
That's the website I see has a post on QAnon, which is interesting. We won't have time to talk

713
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,600
about that today. But that would actually be interesting having you back and getting your

714
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,920
take on that, actually, because it's been all the rave lately for some interesting reason. But

715
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:16,600
I don't that the post was a little misleading on purpose. I don't actually think that there was a

716
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:21,240
guy leaking things on fortune. Well, people on fortune were messaging me. I was getting all

717
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,440
these tweets. I got like 100 tweets the other day. They were like, Why are you Q? Are you? I don't

718
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:29,000
know what you're talking about. Q from Star Trek. I used to watch Star Trek. There was a character

719
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,880
named Q. What are you talking about? So so I looked into it for several days. And then I tried to

720
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:39,400
dig into, you know, are the Clintons being thrown under the bus? That's very possible with

721
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,960
Donna Brazile. You talked about that. And then it looks like the podestas are being investigated.

722
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:50,840
They're lobbying firms shutting down. But does that mean that all this weird code language of Q

723
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:56,120
like we're gonna have secret decoder rings or some bullshit now? Come on. I mean, it's anonymous.

724
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:01,480
Why is somebody speaking in code on anonymous chat for him? It's a bunch of questions. That's all

725
01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:05,560
it is. Right? It's a bunch of questions. It's like some of them, which are good questions. Sure.

726
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,520
Of course. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. But what I did was just try to try to take a realistic

727
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:16,200
approach to what may be actually going on in that video, which did pretty good. 30,000 in a

728
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:21,160
couple of days. Interesting. Yeah. As I said, it's been the latest rage lately. We gotta get into it.

729
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,480
All right. Well, thank you, Jay. Really appreciate it. The book, of course, Esoteric Hollywood is

730
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:31,720
available through the site as well. You have your TV show. What else should we know about?

731
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:38,600
Anything else going on? I'm doing presently still a globalist books series where I've been

732
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,160
going through the different books of globalist. Last I did Arthur Kessler's Ghost in the Machine,

733
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,160
where Kessler lays out a lot of stuff that actually ties into what we've been talking about with

734
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:55,560
the chemical biological engineering of people through food, GMOs, water, that kind of stuff.

735
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Kessler, again, part of the Royal Society, Hungarian Jewish expatriate Marxist who's

736
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:09,560
awarded all these awards and said how great he is by the British Royal Society. Why do they always

737
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:17,000
love Marxists at the Royal Society? It's because they're promoting Marxists. And then I did H.G.

738
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:22,520
Wells and I did Brzezinski's books and I did, you know, Tragedy and Hope last year. So next up,

739
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:29,880
what I'll be delving into is one of Jonah Salk's books. So here we have another one of these

740
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:35,160
psychopathic heroes, the father of vaccines. Why does Jonah Salk write a book about killing

741
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:42,280
everybody and using RNA viruses? Interesting. But he's the hero father of vaccines.

742
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,760
Yeah, supposedly. Although he was just partially part of that process, but he was given the

743
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,640
full credit for some reason. There was actually a team around him at the time. But, you know,

744
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:55,400
again, they pushed these heroes out there for us, right? For some interesting reason. All right,

745
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,600
that's interesting. And then Hollywood Decoded, obviously, as we said, I'm clicking in on that

746
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:05,800
link as we speak. And that's over at Gaia as well. Is that so that's like a season one, 15 episodes,

747
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:11,240
it's all there, I guess. Is there more of that coming? There's 23 episodes. So they come out

748
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:17,880
every week. And I think the last episode where we did Christopher Nolan films, we did Inception and

749
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:25,800
Interstellar and but I don't know what the most recent releases are.

750
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,200
Okay, cool. Well, thank you for joining us today. Really appreciate it. Always a pleasure having

751
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,280
you on. Thank you, man. Keep up the good work and we'll talk soon again. Okay, I hope you enjoy the

752
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hard. As you probably know on YouTube, we'll get on a few alternative platforms in addition to still

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posting to our very healthy and very active YouTube channel. You can follow us on Twitter before we

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potentially might be booted off there too. You know, on December 14th or 16th, something like

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that. They have their information embargo that's going to begin against dissidents and those in

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the alternative media that spread unpopular truths such as those we discuss on this show.

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I do have a personal account on gab, but we need to get a red eyes account on there too.

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redeyesmembers.com is almost ready to go live. A huge thank you to all our awesome members that

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have sustained their membership with us after we were hacked. You guys are amazing and we cannot

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thank you enough. We'll bring you even more original exclusive content for members once

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we're up and running and work a hundred times harder as an appreciation for you guys believing

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in us and helping us during this period. It's so inspiring to know that you guys are there,

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believing in us and helping us in the way that you have. So thank you so much again. You can also

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donate to us, help us out further paypal.me slash redeyes. We do still need your help to be able to

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take care of our employees and those who make sure that we can bring you these shows, do the live

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shows, the weekend warrior, the exclusive segments, the radio shows and the reports by ourselves and

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other people too. So thank you for your help and for helping us to fight against the establishment.

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We'll be back soon to all our American listeners. Have a great Thanksgiving and don't give in when

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it comes to letting your friends and relatives tell you about how evil the pioneers, the pilgrims,

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the settlers were. There is a great deal of information out there that actually tells the

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truth about what really happened and how things were at that time. So read up on it. You know,

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today we're expected to take in and help all these other people, but back then, you know,

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no one wanted to help the Europeans, right? We were not allowed to go to safe lands to those

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who were religiously persecuted and everything else. Very interesting. Anyway, have a good one.

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We'll see you on the next one. Take care.