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It's due to classification that's what drives
him up. Maybe assaults on himself or fear ...

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There's a number of things that feed into it,
but it goes back to classification.

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Are there fears that the other two guys would
be disabled?

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I'm not aware of that, but that doesn't mean
it isn't.

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Ready, Kevin?

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Yeah.

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Are you going to get shots of him?

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Okay, just give him a little...

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Yeah, grab him from there.

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He wants to take off his jacket. Do you want
him to leave his blue shirt on?

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His blue shirt, yeah. His blue shirt has to
stay on.

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You can't let that happen.

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That's true.

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You can't let that happen.

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You can't let that happen.

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Excuse me.

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I have to take the sweatshirt off underneath.

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If you're unbound, you'll be crawling through
doors one by one.

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We'll start here.

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Everybody's going to get a little section.

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We might see where else is important.

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Good job.

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Good job.

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So, um...

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Did you close that door?

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He said I couldn't come out in his shirt.

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So, where's the man that I was dealing with
in this interview? Is it you?

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How do I look like a man to you?

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Well, where's the gentleman that I was
communicating with in the letters?

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Gentleman, I sent you a telegram. My name is
Penny Daniels. I'm from Inside Story in...

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You were dealing with...

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This is Miami. They said this was France.

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Didn't they say this was France?

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That's what they said over there.

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I am?

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Oh, you were under the impression that this
was an interview with someone from France?

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Yes.

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No, this is Miami.

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Inside Story, you were dealing with Fran
Myers, Justine Schmidt, and then I sent yo...

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My name is Penny Daniels and this is Dale
West.

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Mind if I have a seat?

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No, we'll finish.

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We'll get our... what we're doing here.

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What was the letter that you got?

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I sent you a letter.

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Do I get a role of this film?

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Do you get a role of this film? A copy of it?

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No.

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I'm sorry I don't understand your question.

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See, what I did was I got a deal with this
guy from France that he gets a role of fil...

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And then he gives me a role of the film on
the side.

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I get to do a half hour with him and then I
get a half hour of my own.

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To make any statement you want?

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Yeah, to send to this address here.

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That was not our... I'm not the person from
France and we are not the station.

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However, what is the address?

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I might be able to get it.

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In other words, like we already made a deal
between Miami and me.

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They said that that was okay too.

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That could be. I'm not aware of it.

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What is the address?

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The address is in Hollywood.

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Hollywood, California?

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Yeah.

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Who is the person? Nick Bougas?

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Yeah.

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Who is he?

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French.

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French.

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French.

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French.

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French.

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French.

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French.

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French.

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Nick Bougas?

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Yeah.

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Who is he?

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French.

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You want me to give you a tape of the
interview that you do here and send it to...

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I want a half hour off of your line.

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In other words, we're doing this for you.

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Then I want a half hour here for me.

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Why am I doing this?

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I have to carry...

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I'm not a celebrity.

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I'm not a person to interview.

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I don't like to play interviews.

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But I'm stuck under a game of ignorance.

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I'm stuck under little brain people.

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And I have to try to get around that the only
way I can.

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The only time I can get on handcuffs is when
I'm here with the media.

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I've been 20 years in handcuffs.

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If that makes any sense to anybody in this
world, 20 years in handcuffs.

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So he can play daddy.

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To you, get off that trip.

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Get up off of me.

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I'm serious.

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I said get up off of me.

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You understand what I'm saying now?

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I understand what you're saying.

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I'd like to talk about some of these things.

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Are you telling me, let's get this straight,
are you telling me that you'll do the...

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Yeah, I'll do the interview for you.

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And then I get a few minutes to send it to
this.

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No problem.

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No problem.

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I figured that would be worth something.

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Do you want to sit down?

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Do you know that it's going to depend largely
on what you say Charlie,

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if you're going to allow it to execute the
institution?

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What do you mean?

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You're going to put your importance up over
somebody like you're somebody?

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You ain't nothing but a lot, man.

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Sit down and keep your mouth shut.

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You don't run anything.

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Okay, just let me know what you're saying.

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You don't run a damn thing.

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You don't run a damn thing.

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You understand what I'm saying to you?

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You don't run nothing here.

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You know, whatever he's telling you, you
know, if he's putting his importance up ov...

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there ain't nothing over you right now except
my old lady in Florida.

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My old lady's over you in Florida.

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And that's the only thing that's over you.

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You take that all the way to Regan and his
horse.

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Who is your old lady in Florida?

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Squeaky's in Florida right now.

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They just took her from Kentucky.

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She's trying to get us a trial.

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We didn't get a trial.

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We didn't get our rights.

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We didn't get anything.

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We were tried by the news media.

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We were tried by the courtroom.

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The courtroom just, the news media was
selling it.

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It was making money.

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They was buying and selling it.

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And when it's making money, they're going to
sell it.

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They don't care who's got to pay the price
for it.

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But we had to pay the price for it, you know.

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I didn't break no law.

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Everybody in the world knows that.

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But it seems like these people around here,
they can't get it in their brains that I...

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What has Squeaky got to do with me?

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Because there's only one woman, girl.

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Because there's only one woman, girl.

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There's only one woman.

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What does that mean?

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That's Jesus.

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You're on the cross, woman.

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You don't even, you know, your people don't
even know where you're at, what you're doi...

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You're saying there's one woman. Is there one
man?

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Man died in the wars.

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Arlington Cemetery's got all the men.

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Two thousand years, the man's been dying.

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It's all a reflection of Mother.

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I'll let you go to Lebanon.

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I need to put a mic on yourself, huh?

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Let's you go to Lebanon or go to Babos Khan
or go out in the jungle.

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You might find one, you know, but I don't
think you're going to find one not out in...

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You know, they're all working for you.

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She knows that, you know.

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Sure she does.

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Sure she knows it.

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She knows there's only one.

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It's got nothing to do with me personally.

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When I got out of jail last time, she came up
and she said,

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can I hang around you?

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I told her, no, no way.

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She says, why?

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I said, every time I let you around me, I'd
end up in jail.

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Put you back in jail.

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This was in 67?

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Yeah, this was in 67.

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You knew her before then?

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I knew her in dreams.

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Her daddy's a rocket scientist.

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He makes rockets and Boeing aircraft.

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And I met her on the street corner.

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She didn't have no place to stay.

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Her parents kicked her out, you know.

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And I knew what her heart was and where she
was running and what she was doing

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because that's an old garbage can to me.

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I've run through that before.

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So I told her, no way.

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And she said, I won't put you back in jail

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if you don't break the law.

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If you break the law, you put yourself back
in jail.

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And that's true, you know.

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So I said, all right.

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So I said, you give me your word as your bond
and your bond as your life?

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And she said, yeah, I'll give you my word.

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I said, okay.

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So she hung around for a while.

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And the reason that there was a lot of girls
around that place

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is because I play music.

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And I play pretty good music.

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Do you play music now?

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No.

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These jealous snake that's on top of me are
lacking in manhood.

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So they don't want nobody like me to live.

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They do their damnedest to kill me every day
they get the chance, you know.

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You're not allowed to do that.

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No, I'm not allowed anything.

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Do you miss the music?

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Yeah, that's what I live for, music, yeah.

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How long has it been since you played?

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Quite a while.

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They let me touch it every once in a while,
but they don't want me to play.

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It's like everybody wants the attention.

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I don't want the attention.

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I just like to play music.

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Why are you doing this interview, Charlie?

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Because I can get another roll of film and
send it down to Bogus

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and I owe him a little something.

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Is that the only reason?

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And that my old lady's in Miami, that she's
in Florida.

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What has that got to do with it?

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Well, she'll see this and she'll know that
I'm still where I'm at in relationship here.

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You call Squeaky your old lady.

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Does that mean you have a romantic
relationship?

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No, I don't play all that.

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She's just a friend, what you would call a
friend.

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She does what she wants, I do what I want.

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She's just a person.

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They say that I was a leader in a family of
people which is bull.

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That's bunk.

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I had a lot of friends because I play a lot
of music.

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A lot of people like my music.

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And we were all friends.

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There was no such thing as follower, leader.

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There was no leaders or followers.

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There was just people, intellect,
intelligence.

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There were people, intelligent life forms.

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And there was a bunch of kids who were
working out their problems

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for that particular time and that particular
space.

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And each had to do what they felt they had to
do for the problems that they were working...

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Which really had nothing basically to do with
me.

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I'm not of the 60s.

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I'm not a generation of the 60s.

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The 60s were little kids to me.

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The Beatles were like punk rock is to you.

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That's what the Beatles was to me.

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They were big, you know.

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That's not my era.

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My era was Bing Crosby.

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I'm 53 years old.

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I'm not a teeny popper.

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But all the kids, they would come to me and
say,

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we got no place to go.

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And I'd say, well, I got no place to go.

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You know, so they were throwaway kids.

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And I was a throwaway kid.

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Tell me a little bit about your background.

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Tell me if you could describe your childhood
in a couple of sentences.

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How would you describe it?

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I didn't have a childhood.

259
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Tell me a little bit more.

260
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Tell me more.

261
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I went to reform school in 43.

262
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And I've been fighting ever since.

263
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Was it as bad as you describe in the book
that was co-authored by New Orleans?

264
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That wasn't my book.

265
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That wasn't your book?

266
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No.

267
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But what about the parts describing your
childhood and your experiences in reform...

268
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That was him writing the book.

269
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So the part about that school in Indiana,
that's not true?

270
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Bits and parts of it are true, and bits and
parts of it aren't.

271
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Give me a hint.

272
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He gets little information from other people.

273
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And anybody that wants to tell him something,
and what he wants to believe,

274
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and what he feels will sell to the public,
then that's what they'll write.

275
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Okay, well let's not talk specifically about
that book then.

276
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Tell me how you would describe how bad it was
for you in these reform schools.

277
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A child don't know what bad is.

278
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Well, he says in the book that you were
raped, that you were beaten constantly.

279
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Oh, come on, man.

280
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That's not true.

281
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That's what he would like to believe.

282
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But there ain't nobody can do that.

283
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So yours didn't have a lousy childhood then?

284
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Yeah, I had a terrible childhood.

285
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But I'm from here.

286
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In other words, it didn't get to you?

287
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No, I've never sold out.

288
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They've never beat me.

289
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I haven't been beaten.

290
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Tell me about your terrible childhood.

291
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The child doesn't know what terrible is.

292
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You don't want to talk about it, I tell you.

293
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I'm telling you, a child doesn't know what
terrible is.

294
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Give me a little description of it.

295
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What is terrible?

296
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You know, terrible.

297
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What does that mean, terrible?

298
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I don't know, you used the word, so I'm
trying to get you to describe it.

299
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No, no, I didn't.

300
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He used the word in his book.

301
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I didn't.

302
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I'm not a sniveler.

303
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I don't cry.

304
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I don't snivel.

305
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I don't look for excuses to get off on other
things.

306
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You know, I accept my position and I hold it.

307
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Let me ask you something.

308
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How do you spend your days now, since you're
not allowed to play music,

309
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how do you spend your time in jail?

310
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Sitting.

311
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Just sitting?

312
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Mm-hmm.

313
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Do you do anything else?

314
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Do you read?

315
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No.

316
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Do you walk?

317
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No.

318
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At one point I read somewhere that you were
making dolls.

319
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Is that true?

320
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000
I make little dolls, yeah.

321
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000
Tell me about that.

322
00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:03,000
I just started taking string and making
little dolls and bugs and spiders and...

323
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000
It's a new art form.

324
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I created a new art form.

325
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,000
Anything else like that?

326
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000
Any other things that you do in jail?

327
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000
Yeah, I run an underworld.

328
00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000
You run an underworld in jail?

329
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000
Yeah.

330
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Tell me about that.

331
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000
You don't see it?

332
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000
No.

333
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I fly birds.

334
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000
I look out for wildlife.

335
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I'm trying to redeem my trees.

336
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,000
I have an organization called Atwa rolling
now,

337
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:53,000
trying to redeem life on the planet Earth
from the people that destroy it.

338
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000
Tell me more about that.

339
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000
Who's destroying the Earth and why?

340
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000
The things that we do as human beings

341
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000
that are accepted and called right

342
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,000
a hundred years ago have changed.

343
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,000
Years ago we could cut down trees and we
could afford an exuberant lifestyle.

344
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We can't afford that no more.

345
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000
We're running out of atmosphere.

346
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000
We're running out of water.

347
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,000
Our water's becoming so poisoned and so
polluted, we're not going to be able to dr...

348
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000
The trees are being cut down so fast.

349
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000
Lumber companies are just...

350
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000
The United States is owned by foreign
corporations.

351
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000
Nixon opened it up for foreign trade.

352
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000
And when Nixon opened up for foreign trade,

353
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,000
the people of Europe and the common market
and Spain and different places,

354
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000
they don't care about the United States
forest.

355
00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:03,000
And in short, the United States has been sold
out

356
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,000
by people who really don't care for anything
but money.

357
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000
I've had all the money in the world three
times.

358
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,000
I had to give it back to keep the game going.

359
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000
What game?

360
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000
The game. It's a game. Money is a game.

361
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000
It's only real to the people who work for it,

362
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000
the people that don't need to work for money.

363
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000
It's an monopoly game.

364
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000
It's a game of paper.

365
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000
It's all on paper.

366
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,000
I've got a production company and I've got a
recording company

367
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000
and I've got a mansion in Beverly Hills

368
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,000
and I've got Rolls Royces and Ferraris.

369
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,000
I've got everything money can buy, but it's
all on paper.

370
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,000
Everything's done through the companies and
through the tax loopholes.

371
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000
And the people that live on that level,

372
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,000
they don't care about the average honest mule

373
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that just goes back and forth to work.

374
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,000
They don't care about the children that are
in the streets

375
00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000
that are thrown out of this upper echelon of
existence.

376
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000
And then when all the children fall down into
me on my level,

377
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,000
I pretty much identify with them because I
was a throwaway also.

378
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,000
So it goes to the point of, do you really
care?

379
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,000
And who does care? And if anybody cares,
they're considered crazy.

380
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000
I've been 15 years in the nut ward

381
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000
for trying to stop the trees from being cut
down,

382
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,000
from trying to rearrange a lifestyle of a
bunch of people

383
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000
who don't want to change, but they're going
to change

384
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000
because the cold wind is blowing.

385
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000
You're going to change and there's going to
be no life left on the planet Earth.

386
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000
And then there's a bunch of little people
that are always trying to play act

387
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:58,000
some sort of importance over the truth about
what is rolling on the planet Earth now.

388
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000
Did you get him? Yeah, please.

389
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,000
Or she might use for me, or we might use for
another one of the friends.

390
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000
And I say, oh lady.

391
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000
Let's get back to that talk about God for a
minute.

392
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000
Tell me once again, I don't know if we got
that,

393
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000
what you were talking about, about being
God's messenger.

394
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000
Tell me that again.

395
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000
Life is God. All life.

396
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000
Bugs, birds, trees, everything that's alive
is God.

397
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000
The sun is God.

398
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
The sun is God.

399
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000
But we've got God over here on our cross.

400
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000
We've got a dying man over here on our cross
and we're all kneeling down

401
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000
hoping that if we die there's a better place
somewhere else.

402
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000
Well, you've got a whole bunch of people
hoping that they die

403
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000
creates a hell of a big energy.

404
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,000
And I call it a death wish. It's mother's
death wish.

405
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000
It's what everybody's going towards dying,
like the Vietnam War,

406
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000
when they wanted to blow the world up.

407
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000
And what have you got to do with God once
again?

408
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000
I'm just a messenger of the truth.

409
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000
God's messenger?

410
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000
Life's messenger.

411
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000
We use the word God.

412
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000
And God hooks all the other words up.

413
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000
I'm the Pope.

414
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000
I'm ten times the Pope. I'm fifty times the
Pope.

415
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000
But I'm the Pope in the hills and in the
mountains.

416
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
I'm already out of here.

417
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000
This enclosure here, I'm out of here.

418
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,000
My body's stuck here, but my thought is
already gone.

419
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,000
When you told me you ran an underworld, is
that a joke?

420
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000
No. No, why would it be a joke?

421
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000
It's not a joke.

422
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000
No, when your word is good, it's good.

423
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000
What do you mean by that?

424
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000
When your word is good, it's good.

425
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000
What do you mean by that you run an
underworld?

426
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000
What do you mean by that?

427
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,000
A little kid came to me a long time ago in
McNeil Island.

428
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000
And he said, would you teach me how to speak
English?

429
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000
I said, no, I won't teach you how to speak
English.

430
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000
You're too stupid.

431
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000
He said, I'm not stupid.

432
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000
Well, let's go play some handball.

433
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
So I taught him how to play handball.

434
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000
And I taught him how to speak English.

435
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000
And I taught him how to tell the truth.

436
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000
He lives in Peru.

437
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000
What has that got to do with running an
underworld?

438
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000
All I've got to do is tell him anything I
don't want him to know.

439
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000
And he knows I don't lie to him.

440
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000
Is that what you did with your so-called
followers?

441
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000
No. No. Yes, yes, yes. In a proportion.

442
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000
Yeah, sure, sure.

443
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000
But I didn't break will.

444
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000
Are you saying that they didn't do anything
they didn't want to do?

445
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000
That's it. That's it.

446
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000
In other words, if I'm with you, whatever you
do is your business.

447
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000
I tell you, if you drink out of that cup,
you're going to get so-and-so.

448
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,000
And you say, well, ru-ru-ru.

449
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000
And I say, well, that's up to you.

450
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
If that's what you want.

451
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000
If you go ahead and do it, I mean, that's
you.

452
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000
I don't break your will.

453
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000
What did your followers do?

454
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000
I didn't have any followers. I had some
friends.

455
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
What did your friends do?

456
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000
What did your friends do?

457
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000
They did whatever they had to do.

458
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000
And what was that?

459
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000
Whatever it was.

460
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000
Did any of your friends kill people?

461
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000
Sure.

462
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Who did they kill?

463
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000
They killed lots of people.

464
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000
Did they kill Sharon Tate and the people that
night?

465
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000
I imagine so. If they said they did, they
did.

466
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,000
Did you tell them to?

467
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000
No.

468
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
Let's talk about something else for a minute.

469
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000
Do you ever have any contact with your
children?

470
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000
You fathered at least three children, right?

471
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000
I've got a whole lot of children.

472
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Do you have any contact with them?

473
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000
I've got prisons full of children.

474
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000
Real children.

475
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000
I'm talking about real ones.

476
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000
There's real that you can get.

477
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000
Children that you fathered, you have prisons
full of them.

478
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000
Every child I've got is a friend of mine.

479
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000
Charlie, you know what I'm talking about.

480
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000
I know what you're talking about.

481
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000
You're talking about, do I have any ego
children?

482
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Biological children.

483
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000
If you and I have a child, and you take the
child off,

484
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000
and you raise him to be like you, he's not
like me.

485
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000
He's like you.

486
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Are you in contact with any of your
biological children?

487
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000
I'm not in contact with anyone.

488
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Squeaky farm.

489
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000
I'm in contact with everyone.

490
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000
Are you ever in contact with your mother,
your biological mother?

491
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000
I am my mother.

492
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,000
Are you ever in contact with any other
members of the so-called Manson family, yo...

493
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
The Manson family was a music group.

494
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000
The music group I had was called the Family
Jams.

495
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
And all the girls sang in the music group.

496
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
And all the guys played in the music group.

497
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
It had nothing to do with the cult.

498
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000
It was a music group.

499
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000
Whatever happened to those people, are you in
contact with them?

500
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
Sure, they're all doing fine.

501
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
We're all doing the same as we were doing
before.

502
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000
You can never split us apart, because we were
never together.

503
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,000
We were together in soul, we were together in
truth,

504
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000
and every one of them knows I've never lied
to them.

505
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000
I've never lied to anyone about them or
around them.

506
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
They've never seen me in a lie.

507
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Do you ever get letters from people?

508
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Yeah.

509
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Tell me about some of the letters you get
from people.

510
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000
I get all kinds of letters from all kinds of
people, all kinds of kids,

511
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000
all kinds of people that are lost, people
that are needy.

512
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Do you write them back?

513
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Sometimes, occasionally.

514
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
What do you tell them?

515
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000
Hello, hi, how are you?

516
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Do you give them advice?

517
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Advice. It's within.

518
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Do you give them advice?

519
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
If that's advice, it's within you.

520
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
That's the advice you give, it's within you?

521
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Whatever advice is.

522
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000
Do you get visitors?

523
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,000
No.

524
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000
You're not allowed visitors?

525
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,000
I've got a lot of people standing on me
trying to play important,

526
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
and each one of them takes a little bit,

527
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
until finally I've got nothing left,

528
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
and I sit in the cell, and then this dummy
wants to come,

529
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000
and he wants to get his little bit, and this
guy, he wants his little bit,

530
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000
and everybody's got their little bit, you
dig?

531
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000
And then I'm stuck up underneath, I can't do
anything,

532
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000
because everybody else is living my life.

533
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000
They're representing me.

534
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:53,000
If all the people that were representing me,
that quack in one direction,

535
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
if they turned around and bowed in the other
direction,

536
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000
I'd have every head bowed,

537
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000
because they're doing nothing but
representing me.

538
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Regan's court was representing me.

539
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000
The court that I was in was Regan's court,
was his appointee,

540
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
he was representing me.

541
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
Everybody's been representing me.

542
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Let me ask you another way, I've heard that
you get a lot of letters,

543
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,000
and a lot of, have in the past gotten a lot
of visits from kids,

544
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
just kids that you don't know, is that true?

545
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
I am kids.

546
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000
Have you gotten these kinds of visits and
letters from kids that you don't know?

547
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Sure.

548
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
Why do you think these kids write you?

549
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
Because I am those kids.

550
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
What is it about you that they...

551
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
I am a child.

552
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,000
I never grew up, I never lived in your
society, I never went to school,

553
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
I never had a mother and father.

554
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
I raised myself up.

555
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:57,000
What do you think it is about you that makes
people want to be a part of whatever it is...

556
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
I'm brand new.

557
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Everything I do is always brand new.

558
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,000
I'm on the premise of reality.

559
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
I walk a real road.

560
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,000
I'm a real person inside.

561
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
I'm not a phony.

562
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
I don't put on no airs.

563
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
I say what I think.

564
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000
You see what I'm saying?

565
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Aren't you putting on an air now?

566
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
When you look back, see if it's an air, see
if you get it.

567
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Someone sees it and goes by and they say,
hey, how you doing?

568
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000
Pretty good.

569
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000
How you be?

570
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Where does it come from?

571
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Where does the energy and power come from?

572
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Who recharges your battery?

573
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000
You know what I'm talking about.

574
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Isn't this an act right now?

575
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
What isn't an act?

576
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000
What isn't an act?

577
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000
So you put on an act.

578
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Are you an act?

579
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
Sure, so are you.

580
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
So we're all an act, right?

581
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
What isn't?

582
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:07,000
And then it isn't an act because people's
fear sees it as being real.

583
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,000
So the only thing people see as real is fear.

584
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:19,000
So if the people in the underworld are
knocking people down in the streets and...

585
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:27,000
maybe it's the people in the underworld that
want you to see that I am very real and I ...

586
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:37,000
And I am moving for Atwa, my air, my water,
my trees and my wildlife in every way I kn...

587
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Does the end justify the means?

588
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
There is no end.

589
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
There is no beginning.

590
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Not in Atwa.

591
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
There's only redeeming life upon the planet
Earth.

592
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,000
Does that goal justify any means?

593
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000
I don't justify or not justify.

594
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,000
I don't say it out there. What people do with
it is their business.

595
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,000
If they decide to run up and kill Sharon
Tate, that's on them.

596
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,000
Had you let us put on a defense, we could
have explained to you why it happened.

597
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Why did it happen?

598
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,000
All right.

599
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:23,000
You take 20 years, 250 district attorneys,
5,000 policemen,

600
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:29,000
everything the news media has got, you put it
on one person.

601
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,000
And then you come to me and say, explain it
away.

602
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:39,000
How can I explain away all the misconcepts in
two, three minutes or five, ten minutes?

603
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Give me a trial in a courtroom.

604
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Give me my rights in a courtroom.

605
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000
And then I'll explain it.

606
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:51,000
I can't explain it just in a few words or in
a letter or in a postcard.

607
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000
It's too vast. It's too big.

608
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
It's circled the world three times.

609
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
What are you asking for, a new trial?

610
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
I'm new. I haven't got the first one yet.

611
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
You're asking for a trial.

612
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Just a trial. Just give me my rights.

613
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,000
All I want is the same rights that my
father's died for.

614
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
The same rights that says United States of
America.

615
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
I see Reagan getting up in the United Nations
telling the world

616
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,000
how human rights are so important and how we
should give all the humans rights.

617
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
And then he turned around and asked him on
the darker side, what about Charlie?

618
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
And he said, oh, well, he don't deserve no
rights.

619
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Well, if I don't deserve no rights, then who
does deserve rights?

620
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
I didn't break no law.

621
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Right now you're coming up for parole.

622
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
You have the right to come up before a parole
board.

623
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Do you want to get out on parole?

624
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Parole for what? Parole of where?

625
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
I want my rights.

626
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
My rights. You give me a parole every other
day, it doesn't give me my rights.

627
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
If I don't have any rights, he doesn't have
any rights.

628
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000
He doesn't have any rights and you don't have
any rights.

629
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
I think I know what you're saying.

630
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000
In other words, if everybody gets equal
rights, you got equal rights to the rights...

631
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,000
And that's to sit down and keep your mouth
shut or get your jaw broke.

632
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Is that the rights you want?

633
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Do you want to get out of jail?

634
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Out of jail? I've been out of jail since
1967.

635
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000
I got out of prison in 1967.

636
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Would you like to get out of prison?

637
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
I'd like to get my guitar on. I'd like to see
my friends.

638
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000
What would you do if you got out of prison?

639
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Depends on what level I got on.

640
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,000
And what would you do if you got out of
prison on parole?

641
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000
On parole? I don't know whether I would
accept a parole.

642
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Because if I accept a parole, then I have to
accept a whole bunch of little people

643
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
play at the importance with my life.

644
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,000
I'm tired of other people running my life.

645
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Are you saying that you don't want to accept
guilt?

646
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Guilt? To hell with that.

647
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,000
I can do anything I want, woman.

648
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,000
What would you do if you got out of prison?

649
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000
I'm out of prison. I get out every day.

650
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000
I get out in these guys every day.

651
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
I get out everywhere. I'm everywhere, man.

652
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,000
I'm everywhere, man. I'm all things.

653
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
How are you going to lock that up?

654
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
How do you feel about blacks?

655
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Blacks are all right.

656
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000
How do you feel about Jews?

657
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000
Jews are all right.

658
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
How do you feel about women?

659
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000
Women are okay.

660
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Why do you wear the sign of the American Nazi
Party?

661
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000
That's my Nazi Party. That's me.

662
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
What does it mean?

663
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
It means I've been locked up in here since
1943.

664
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,000
That I'm standing behind the judges in
Nuremberg.

665
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
I think I need a little more explanation than
that.

666
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
There's a line that the judge sets on.

667
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,000
There's a premise of crime that the Supreme
Court sets on.

668
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
That the government and the crosses set on.

669
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,000
I have been behind the judge since 1943.

670
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000
In the infinite consciousness of those black
robes.

671
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:24,000
I have been on the dark side of the world you
people live in

672
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,000
For 43 years.

673
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
For a little over 43 years.

674
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Juvenile halls, Cook County Jail, Chicago,
Indianapolis, D.C., Virginia.

675
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
I did a lot of time in Virginia.

676
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000
All over the country I've been in and out of
jail.

677
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000
I had nothing against no one unless they got
something against me.

678
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
You come up and say hi. I say hi.

679
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000
You say I like you. I say well I like you.

680
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000
You say well I don't like you. I say well I
don't like you.

681
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
In other words however you reflect to me is
what I'm going to reflect back to you.

682
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
I don't care what color you are.

683
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Who you're from or what you're doing. What
race you are.

684
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
I am me first.

685
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
And that is Scotch.

686
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
I'm from Scotland first.

687
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
That's me.

688
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
And I look out for that. Number one, me.

689
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Just like everybody else does.

690
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Do you, Charlie, do you resent the fact that
you've been in jail practically all your...

691
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,000
And if so, why did you continue to do things
that put you in jail?

692
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
Mm-hmm.

693
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Split the question, ask one at a time. I
can't answer two questions.

694
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Do you resent the fact that you've been in
jail practically all of your life?

695
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
No, no. I don't know what resent is.

696
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000
That's a waste of mental energy.

697
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
It's a waste of time.

698
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Do you feel it's wrong?

699
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Right or wrong, I don't judge.

700
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
That's what they got guys in robes for. They
judge.

701
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Well, I guess then I can't really ask the
second part of the question.

702
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
What's the second part of the question?

703
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Well, the second part of the question is, if
you resent it, then why did you keep doing...

704
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Why did you do so many things to get yourself
thrown in jail?

705
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
You seemed to like it when you were out
according to what I read.

706
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Well, because I'm stupid. I really am stupid.

707
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,000
I'm a lot, I'm smart in some things, but
other things I'm dumb in, you know.

708
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Probably if you notice, people that tell the
truth generally act like they're kind of...

709
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Mentally retarded people I can communicate
with real good.

710
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
And decent dumb people, man, we talk like
crazy, you know.

711
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
In other words, I'm all right with those.

712
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
And kids I'm okay with.

713
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
But when you get grown up, then there's a lot
of problems.

714
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000
I don't get along too good with grown ups.

715
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000
And they get me in trouble.

716
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000
People get me in trouble.

717
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,000
People get me in trouble because I don't have
the mental capacity to adjust to the outside.

718
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
And when I get out there, I'm like a little
kid.

719
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,000
I'm like a little baby in a lot of respects,
you know.

720
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,000
That's why Squeaky has fought so hard to get
me out because she knows I didn't break th...

721
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000
She knows I was used by a lot of different
people doing a lot of different things and...

722
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
What would you do if you got out of prison?

723
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
What would I do?

724
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Probably play some music.

725
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Get my guitar and go back out in the desert.

726
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,000
I got some trees.

727
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,000
I was planting some trees.

728
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
I got some trees.

729
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
I did a crazy thing.

730
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
I planted some fig trees.

731
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
And I didn't know fig trees take two trees.

732
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Did you know that?

733
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
That it's male and female trees?

734
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
I didn't know that.

735
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
I was planting fig trees and every water hole
I go I plant one tree.

736
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
And I figured one fig tree, just water hole
would be just right for the water hole.

737
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000
But then I came to the gym and I looked in
the book and found out, man, you've got to...

738
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
So I got a whole bunch of water holes out
there with one fig tree planted.

739
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:47,000
So I wanted to get back out and plant the
other side of that, put the other trees out.

740
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
I like working in the dirt.

741
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
I like farm work.

742
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,000
I like growing things.

743
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000
I like growing things, gardens and things
like that.

744
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
I like earth things.

745
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Earth things I like.

746
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000
I'd probably get back down on the ground,
walk around.

747
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Just walk around, do things that everybody
does.

748
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Nothing.

749
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Just sit around under a tree.

750
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Probably do not much.

751
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Not much.

752
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
How would you support yourself?

753
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000
Support myself?

754
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,000
See, in other words, like your lifestyle has
got you thinking crazy.

755
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
You know, you know.

756
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
You support yourself.

757
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
I've got figs over here.

758
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000
I've got raisins over there.

759
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000
I've got pine nuts over there.

760
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000
I've got pockets full of everything you can
eat.

761
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
I've got all I can eat.

762
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
And wherever I'm laying down is where I'm
sleeping.

763
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
So I support myself.

764
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
How does the deer support itself?

765
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,000
Every time they've let you out of prison
before, you've turned to stealing.

766
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Oh, now I'm stealing.

767
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
You got me in for stealing.

768
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
I thought I was in here for something else.

769
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
I didn't know I was in here for stealing.

770
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000
You got me stealing too?

771
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
How do you put everything else on me at least
three times?

772
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
What did I steal?

773
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Have you never stolen anything?

774
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Sure, I stole a whole lot when I was a kid
and thought that was cool.

775
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,000
I thought that was cool when I was young.

776
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
I live by the code of the outlaw.

777
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
I give everything I got.

778
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000
I take anything I want.

779
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Do you think you've changed?

780
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
No, I got a little older probably.

781
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Changed? I don't know. Changed.

782
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,000
You know, how does the universe change?

783
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Don't you think people change when they get
older?

784
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
When they get older?

785
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
I don't know if they get older.

786
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000
See, all those things that you've got in your
mind, they don't exist to me.

787
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
They don't exist to me. Get older. Get
younger.

788
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000
I was born a thousand.

789
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000
See, we're born old and young.

790
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Yeah, we're born.

791
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000
At the same time.

792
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000
I was born to...

793
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Don't be offended.

794
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
But?

795
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
I'm a nasty old man.

796
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
And I'm mad.

797
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,000
But I put my anger in the right direction.

798
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
The direction of Atwa.

799
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:27,000
For 20 years we've tried to find intelligent
life forms in the United States of America...

800
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
It was all bought and paid for.

801
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:35,000
These guys that sell themselves for that
paycheck, they don't exist outside that...

802
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Why are you mad?

803
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
I'm mad at people taking my life.

804
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Putting you in prison?

805
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
No, taking my life.

806
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
What do you mean?

807
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Well, when you're cutting the trees down,
you're taking my life.

808
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
When you're polluting the water, you're
taking my life.

809
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
You're laughing?

810
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,000
You know, your justice system ain't working
too cool.

811
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,000
You know, so I imagine that there'll be
another one, Phoenix, in behind.

812
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Doing what's right.

813
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
All we're trying to do is do what's right.

814
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:14,000
But doing what's right in a world full of
people that don't know what right is, it's...

815
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Because you've got so many interpretations,
so many different ways of doing things.

816
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000
So many interpretations in so many different
people in different directions.

817
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,000
You've got a thousand Jesuses, you've got a
million devils, you've got 25,000 Napoleons.

818
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,000
You've got every kind of insanity going in
the world coming in Atwa.

819
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Atwa also means at war, if you put an R on
the end of it.

820
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
At war with what?

821
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Pollution.

822
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Pollution.

823
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
A revolution against pollution.

824
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,000
So you're telling me all these people think
that you hate the blacks and you hate the...

825
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
and all you're really trying to do is stop
pollution?

826
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000
All the time, it's been the same thing.

827
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Whatever people put on me is what they're
trying to play themselves on their level.

828
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Tell me once again, I didn't quite get it,
why the American Nazi Party signed on your...

829
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Those eight people were killed in Uganda when
that plane was sky-jacked.

830
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:23,000
When the army was put in the position to rule
Africa, I was in that episode.

831
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000
And that's the only way I could save my head.

832
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Because there was a lot of violence, a lot of
fear, a lot of bloodshed was going on in...

833
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,000
to stop the drought that was coming over
there.

834
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
We've seen the world.

835
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Don't you remember when the Lord went and
knows when the cold wind blows and will tu...

836
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Well, we were all in that thought, trying to
change the world.

837
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:55,000
And you can't say, well, the Jews are the
chosen children of God

838
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
and these Germans are no good because their
forefathers fought...

839
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
No, no, no, no, no, no.

840
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
The Germans are no worse than the Jews.

841
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
And the blacks are no worse than the
Mexicans.

842
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
And the Mexicans are no worse than the
Filipinos.

843
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
And the Filipinos are no worse than the
Chinese.

844
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000
So how do you reach a one with that whole
circle?

845
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000
How do you reach a one with that whole
circle?

846
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
How do you have peace on this earth?

847
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,000
You can't have peace on this earth unless you
let Second World War die.

848
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
You want to keep the Second World War going?

849
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000
You want to keep selling and buying Germans
and dead Indians on TV every day?

850
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
You know, that's got to stop.

851
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
The Second World War's got to stop.

852
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
And it's got to stop in the Jews.

853
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
The Jews won't let the Second World War stop.

854
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,000
They keep the Second World War going.

855
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000
They keep it going.

856
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000
They keep it going.

857
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
They keep perpetuating it because they're
making money.

858
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
As soon as the Second World War was over,
they never stopped the brainwash.

859
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,000
The brainwash that they were selling to the
American public was making money.

860
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
You see what I'm saying? They were making
money.

861
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
They're not going to stop making money.

862
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
If the combination's there to make money,
they're going to keep selling it.

863
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,000
They'll sell it all the way until I'm in the
cell with a guy named Millman, Jerry Millman.

864
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
And he's got pictures of Hitler and Japanese
and things.

865
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
I said, boy, Hitler must have been a hell of
a guy.

866
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
He said, Hitler was terrible. I hate him. I
hate him.

867
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000
I said, why do you hate him?

868
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000
He said, I'm a Jew.

869
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000
I said, well, why are you enshrining this
guy?

870
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Is he your daddy?

871
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
And he looked up to his mother's fear.

872
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
And his mother's fear was Hitler.

873
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Hitler was like his father figure.

874
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
He loved Hitler, but he hated Hitler.

875
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,000
He needed Hitler to hold him up because
Hitler was holding his hate up.

876
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Because without his hate, he didn't exist.

877
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000
He didn't have no reason to live unless he
had some hate.

878
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
He didn't have any reason to buy and sell
unless the money held him up.

879
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,000
If you took the money away from him, you took
the hate away from him, he'd be gone.

880
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,000
So how do you communicate to a whole group of
people?

881
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
You stand up and you take the worst fear
symbol there is and say, there.

882
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Now I've got your fear.

883
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Now I've got your fear.

884
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
And your fear is your power and your power is
your control.

885
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
I'm your king of this whole planet.

886
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
I'm going to rule this whole world through
Atwa.

887
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000
I want my trees put back.

888
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
I want my water clean.

889
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000
I want my atmosphere cleaned up.

890
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000
What you do beyond that, I don't care what
church you go to

891
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
or what race you are, what color you are,
what Mubigabba, LeBoundicum, all that.

892
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000
All that nickel and dime, personal,
important, trash head stuff.

893
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
I don't care about that.

894
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,000
All I care about is my air, my water, my
trees, and my wildlife.

895
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
And you humans, if you don't get in line with
that, goodbye.

896
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Because I got biology, and I got chemistry,
and I got things beyond the nuclear mine.

897
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000
I won't blow it up.

898
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
I checkmated that.

899
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,000
I got all the bombs over here in the corner.

900
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000
I said, no, I'm not blowing it up.

901
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Now the next step of dealing with you
suicidal maniacs that won't get up off of ...

902
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,000
my air, my water, my trees, my wildlife, my
fish.

903
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000
You see, I live on the earth.

904
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,000
God gave me a life on that earth, and I live
there.

905
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,000
And everybody that's taking my life off the
earth is taking yours off the earth also.

906
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,000
It's taking your, your, because you don't
have any more right than I do.

907
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,000
I don't care whether you're black, whether
you're green.

908
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
If I don't have any rights, then you don't
have any rights.

909
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
And what you do to me will be done to you.

910
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Charlie, people have said that you have
powers, that you can make people do what y...

911
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Well, sure. Sure.

912
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
That's true?

913
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Why, certainly.

914
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,000
How so?

915
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
By making them do what I want them to do.

916
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000
How do you do it?

917
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
These two guys here with that stick.

918
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:41,000
He has power with that stick to make me do
what, what he tells me to do.

919
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,000
So what's your stick?

920
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
What's your stick?

921
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
I've been under that stick 43 years.

922
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000
How do you make people do what you want them
to do?

923
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
I just turn that around and give it back to
you.

924
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,000
What you put on me with that, I just take
that and throw it back at you.

925
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Are you saying that you used violence to make
people do what you wanted them to do?

926
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000
No, I don't deal in violence. I'm not a
violent person.

927
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:13,000
My record's been, I've been on record, all my
life's been on record. And I'm not violent.

928
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,000
I learned that whatever you put out, you get
back. And I don't like to be hurt, so I'm ...

929
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:26,000
All this stuff about Charles Manson, the
guru, the person that people follow, is th...

930
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Sure.

931
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Why, why did they follow you?

932
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Because I'm in the soul. I'm in the fist.

933
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
What does that mean?

934
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,000
The fist, the family of the infinite soul.
The eyes of the winners of the soul.

935
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:46,000
When I show you something once, you know it's
there. You've seen it. It's in your soul. ...

936
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Do you still have people who write to you,
who visit you if they can, who follow you?

937
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,000
The whole world's following me. There's no
place else they can go.

938
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
What do you tell them?

939
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:09,000
I haven't found no place to run. And I'm
following the next guy in front of me....

940
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Do you believe that you have powers to...

941
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
To know more than any other man.

942
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Know more than any other man.

943
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Oh, well, all men have powers. Some people
know it, some people don't.

944
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Some people understand the power they have
and other people don't understand the powe...

945
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,000
What is it about you that made all these
young people come to you, that made them...

946
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
The music.

947
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Just the music.

948
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Stop!

949
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:42,000
I sing like that. Yeah. Kind of puts you on
center, huh?

950
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Well, it's loud.

951
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Yeah, I sing loud. I sing real loud.

952
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
It grabs your attention.

953
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,000
It does. It does. It kind of reaches in there
and breaks all the pattern in your brain.

954
00:46:51,000 --> 00:47:01,000
See, your music is very manilow. And all
them, ooh, puh, puh, puh, and they sing it...

955
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,000
I'm singing up for god rolls. I'm singing up
in the top echelons of the music.

956
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Have you always done like that?

957
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:15,000
No, no, no. I got, I've become, I started a
rebirth movement in 67.

958
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Everybody else stole it. Carter stole it.
Everybody said, oh, this is us.

959
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,000
They locked me up and said, oh, this is us.
We represent that.

960
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
You know, I'm important on that. And maybe,
and then they'll want to make their little...

961
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,000
And then they'll say, let me get in there.
Because everybody wants in there first. Yo...

962
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Do you ever think about Sharon Tate and the
people that were killed that night?

963
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
No, not that much.

964
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Everybody said, oh, this is us. They locked
me up and said, oh, this is us. We represe...

965
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000
You know, I'm important on that. And maybe,
and then they'll want to make their little...

966
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,000
And then they'll say, let me get in there.
Because everybody wants in there first. Yo...

967
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Do you ever think about Sharon Tate and the
people that were killed that night?

968
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
No, not that much.

969
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Why should I? A lot of people get killed.
People get killed all over the world every...

970
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Do you feel any responsibility for what
happened that night?

971
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
None.

972
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
You feel no remorse for what happened that
night?

973
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,000
How am I going to feel remorse? What am I
supposed to feel remorse about?

974
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Everyone says, you feel no remorse. I said,
can't you understand I'm not guilty of...

975
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:46,000
And they say, well, you're supposed to feel
remorse. I'm supposed to feel remorse beca...

976
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,000
You know, in other words, someone comes in
and says, you were in New York City last...

977
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,000
And you say, no, I wasn't. And they say,
well, don't you feel bad about it?

978
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
And you say, feel bad about what?

979
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,000
They say that people have happened in New
York City. Man, I wasn't in New York City....

980
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
I was in San Diego in bed with some broad I'd
met in Big Sur.

981
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
I didn't have no family. I had a motorcycle,
a sleeping bag, and a guitar, guys.

982
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000
I just got out of the penitentiary.

983
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,000
I hadn't been out of jail long enough to,
they say, well, you got our kids to do thi...

984
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,000
You had your kids to do that. Your kids were
doing that before I got out of the...

985
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000
I just got out of jail. Can't you understand
that?

986
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,000
You know, you tell the people something, and
it got their minds made up a certain way.

987
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
You dig what I'm saying? And you tell them
something, and they just don't know.

988
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,000
What am I supposed to feel remorse about?

989
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,000
Do you feel remorse that every day of my life
you've tormented me with these idiots that...

990
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,000
that you beat me and knocked my jaw, you
forced me medication, you drugged me,

991
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,000
you drugged me up down hallways, you hit my
head on every chopping block in the state ...

992
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,000
you poisoned me, you've done everything. I've
puked blood for months and days, man.

993
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,000
You've done everything you could do to get me
killed, and then you turn around and ask m...

994
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,000
If I have the right to do to you what you've
been doing to me,

995
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,000
then that gives me the right to do anything I
want to, anyone I want to do it to.

996
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,000
Can you see now? Well, you better give me my
rights, because as you're doing this to me,

997
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,000
you're doing this to all these children, and
they're all these cells, and they're growi...

998
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
just like you're raising them up with no
rights.

999
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,000
And even the guys in their uniforms are
looking at it and saying, what am I doing...

1000
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Why am I cheating this guy? He's got no
money. Why don't I go up the hill and take...

1001
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,000
If you give DuPont the same right you give
me, you can put DuPont in the cell and tak...

1002
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Take his children, rape his women, drag him
up and down the highway, everything's okay...

1003
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
And Charlie's been carrying it.

1004
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,000
And Charlie knows in the background that when
the wave comes in, the wave goes out.

1005
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
And each time the wave comes in, the wave
goes out.

1006
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:55,000
And you're all going to get the reflection in
the mirror that you put in this child here.

1007
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,000
And it's got nothing to do with me helping
you, because I'm gone from you people, man.

1008
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,000
I'm out in the desert. I'm doing what I'm
doing.

1009
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,000
The only people I would be helping, I'll help
Squeaky.

1010
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,000
And I put my life up to protect her, even
though I know she's the devil.

1011
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,000
I'd help Blue. I'd help Green. And I'd help
Yellow.

1012
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:23,000
And I would help all the girls that got
busted with me, because they know me in th...

1013
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,000
All the guys in my father's house, there are
many mansions.

1014
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,000
If it were not true, I would not have told
you so.

1015
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:38,000
And it's just as true then as it is true now,
as it will be true forever and ever and ever.

1016
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:45,000
I don't care what the Christians say. Jesus
Christ is a reality.

1017
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,000
So you feel loyalty to certain people, people
who you feel have stood by you.

1018
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Sure, the people that tell me the truth. I'm
bound to tell them the truth back.

1019
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
The people that have treated me right, I am
bound to treat them right back.

1020
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,000
The people that have not treated me right,
the Holy Ghost will deal with that.

1021
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Why do you say Squeaky from is the devil?

1022
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Because all women are. They have to be to
survive.

1023
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Men aren't?

1024
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Sure, men are too. Sure, we have both. We
hold both balances.

1025
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Women are worse?

1026
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:30,000
I would say yeah. I would say, well, if you
get, Mama Lion is very vicious.

1027
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,000
The Queen of England has never lost a war.

1028
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Woman is, woman has the power.

1029
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Woman sends these guys to work every day.

1030
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,000
Woman puts it on the road.

1031
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,000
She has the will, plus the supermarket.

1032
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:54,000
I have the reality of numbers, and I have the
fishing pole.

1033
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,000
I have other things, but see the games that
you guys play with your woman and man thing,

1034
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
we don't play that man woman thing.

1035
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:08,000
You guys are all hung up in them soap
operatives, killing themselves over crazy...

1036
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
it doesn't mean anything.

1037
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:18,000
When you peak the peak and you touch the
ultimate, then you walk with the ultimate ...

1038
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,000
You know, and you can't put a personality on
that.

1039
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,000
You can't say, well, I'll now pronounce you
man and wife, you know, and all that thing...

1040
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:32,000
because the rebirth movement that I started
don't go back and pick up the same old shit.

1041
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Excuse my French.

1042
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000
You don't go back and pick up the same old
trash can.

1043
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,000
You start all over, and starting all over
means starting all over.

1044
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,000
And when you start all over, it's a constant
rebirth thing.

1045
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,000
It's not going back to Sunday school or with
Swagger or Baker or the Pope or the Roses.

1046
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,000
That's all dead.

1047
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,000
That's all old game.

1048
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
That's all graveyard game.

1049
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
You know that Jesus was a reality.

1050
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
He died so I could live.

1051
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000
I'm not going to miss out on that.

1052
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
I'm getting up on that train too.

1053
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:09,000
That doesn't mean that I live by a bunch of
foolish rules, that a bunch of old people ...

1054
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Because let me run something to you.

1055
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:20,000
What it took Jesus Christ 2,000 years to do
in thought, in word, in deed, you can do n...

1056
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,000
You see what I'm saying?

1057
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:37,000
And what the Constitution and the people that
founded this country in 1776 did, you know...

1058
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Man, you got 250 million people.

1059
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:45,000
That's like a fat woman, 500 pounds trying to
get into a size 10 dress.

1060
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
The government's not working.

1061
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000
The system is not working.

1062
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000
And they won't admit it.

1063
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000
They think building more prisons is going to
be the solution.

1064
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Building more prisons just adds more
confusion to the problem that's already at...

1065
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Charlie, what would you do if you wanted
to...

1066
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Is there anything at all that you would
change about your life?

1067
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Yeah, I would have planted him other trees.

1068
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,000
You know, I'm just as stupid as anybody else.

1069
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
I'm no smarter than anybody.

1070
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,000
I'm no better than anybody.

1071
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,000
But nobody's better than me.

1072
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,000
You know, you could ask that question to
yourself, I guess.

1073
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,000
I don't have any regrets.

1074
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
I don't, you know, it's foolish to regret and
think about something that...

1075
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000
It doesn't change.

1076
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
You know, you can't change anything anyway.

1077
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000
I mean, how are you going to change
yesterday?

1078
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000
Yesterday's gone.

1079
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Let it go, man.

1080
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
You don't hang on to it and drag it down the
road in a sack.

1081
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:58,000
You know, I mean, that's part of changing the
lifestyle.

1082
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,000
What about Helter Skelter?

1083
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,000
That's the district attorney's illusion.

1084
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,000
That's his trick.

1085
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,000
That's a reflection of his fear, his sex
paranoia, all the games that...

1086
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,000
But he won that reality for you guys.

1087
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,000
When he said, I vs. the people vs. the people
that he represented,

1088
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,000
he won Helter Skelter as a reality for those
people.

1089
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
But that's got nothing to do with me.

1090
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,000
Helter Skelter was a nightclub in the desert.

1091
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
That's where I run a poker game and I shoot
dice.

1092
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,000
And I make money and I run around and do
buggies.

1093
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
It's funny, they say, you're going to the
desert.

1094
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,000
I say, I'm just going to the desert?

1095
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
They say, Ellie's in the middle of the
desert.

1096
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,000
What's wrong with you, dummy?

1097
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000
They say, you're going to the desert?

1098
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000
You're going to where I'm in a conspiracy to
go to where I'm standing?

1099
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000
You know, it doesn't make any sense, man.

1100
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,000
I mean, it makes sense to you people.

1101
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Helter Skelter is just simple...

1102
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,000
Just confusion.

1103
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,000
That's been happening.

1104
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Let me run something to you.

1105
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000
You go to jail, the music's going...

1106
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Da-ba-da-da-da-da-da.

1107
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000
You go to jail.

1108
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
It stops.

1109
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,000
You're in jail 10 or 15 years.

1110
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,000
You get back out and the music's going...

1111
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da

1112
00:57:40,000 --> 00:58:10,000
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1113
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