1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,720 So we've all heard the saying don't drink the cool aid, which originated from the Jones Town 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,120 Massacre in the late 1970s. This is actually an area where you've done some research. Can you 3 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:19,040 share with us what you discovered? Sure, and it's actually kind of a convoluted story. There's a 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,520 lot of steps to follow. And there's all different points to get in there into the story. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:30,640 One of the books I read is called was Jones Town, a CIA Mind Control experiment. And there's a very 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:37,680 thick book. Very well researched with some slightly fantastic thoughts in it. Plus a number of other 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:44,560 books and documents that I all piece together. So Jim Jones was an American born guy, a civilian, 8 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:51,600 who became a kind of amateur pastor, preacher, started a small church, and moved around the country 9 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,920 a little bit, ended up with what he called the People's Temple in U.K. a California, which is north of 10 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:04,960 San Francisco. And according to the background information and all the lead-up period, 11 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:10,800 performing Jones Town, he actually was working with a CIA and several different South American 12 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:17,600 programs to destabilize governments to flip the political system over and so on. So he had 13 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:25,360 actually been working for decades with the CIA. So then he sets up Jones Town and there he is 14 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:32,240 in northern California and he's thinking to himself, I need to move this whole operation somewhere. 15 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,560 And when you hear the Jones Town story, you just know that they were in the jungle in South America, 16 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,200 but you don't stop and think, we're a wait a minute, how do you pinpoint a location in the 17 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,400 jungle of South America? How do you select it? So it turns out that it wasn't a random location 18 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:55,200 in the jungle, you know, some guy had a blowdard or something. It was actually a well-engineered, 19 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:03,200 well-developed place with a land extreparity made because it was a CIA training site for Green 20 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:10,400 Brave operatives for operations in Angola. And so then it just happened to be the same location 21 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,400 that he decided to move his. Right. So then the question is how would Jim Jones know about that, 22 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:21,040 how would he negotiate taking it over? Well there's a guy named Phil Blakey who was a arms dealer, 23 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,960 probably part of British intelligence, who kind of broke her the deal and did all the pre- 24 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,880 construction and upgrades and so on so that he could all of sudden move all those people down to 25 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,480 the jungle in South America. So that's an interesting fact just in and of itself and shows you 26 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,040 what a minute. This is not just a random location here. Right. And then knowing that he had the 27 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,160 previous experience working with the CIA in general and then that this location is also 28 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,040 right. Prior to CIA use. So before they all moved down to Jones town, 29 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,720 there was a series of articles in the San Francisco newspaper which was owned by William Randolph 30 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:06,160 first and in the series of articles there's quite critical of the people's temple and saying 31 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:10,800 kind of a scam and there's something suspicious about it and they're doing this and they're doing that. 32 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:19,600 And so three well all this was kind of brewing three months before the Patti Hurst kidnapping. 33 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:28,080 Patti Hurst boyfriends Stephen Weed was seen at the People's Temple in Ukaya, California, 34 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,520 walking around with Jim Jones according to one of the survivors of the mass suicide at Jones town. 35 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:41,120 So just keep that in mind. So all of a sudden one day out of the blue, 36 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,960 this invite needs liberation army, the SLA which is a group of nine or ten people. 37 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,160 Attack Patti Hurst's apartment where her and Stephen Weed are. Stephen Weed's knocked out 38 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:58,480 with a rifle butt and there's actually gunfire. She's abducted thrown in a car truck taken away 39 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:05,120 and she's held in solitary confinement in a closet for 42 days. During which time she gets sleep 40 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:11,520 deprivation, obviously sensory deprivation, she's raped. There's a lot of control of how much she can 41 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:17,920 eat and there's mock FBI raids where she thinks the FBI is coming and gunfire is going to start and 42 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,720 she might get killed. Can remember if thinks she might have been hooded but there's a whole program 43 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:31,840 conducted and subsequent to that she participates in a bank robbery as Tanya. She has this new 44 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:38,080 identity of Tanya. Where did she get their identity of Tanya from? She got it from Donald DeFrees 45 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:44,080 who's the head of the Symbinees Liberation Army and he was a petty kind of street-level kind of high-school 46 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:50,560 dropout black guy criminal. So how did he learn all these techniques for how to create a new 47 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:56,080 identity and get the new identity to participate in a bank robbery? Well he learned that from 48 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Colston Westbrook who did his master's thesis at the University of Berkeley on Ebonics which is a black 49 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,920 lingo which I have a copy of so I've got you know social security numbers place of birth is 50 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:16,560 name he's a for real guy and he worked for the United States Army in psychological war for 51 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:24,320 operations during the Vietnam War. He came back to California and went into Vacoville State 52 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:30,880 prison where Donald DeFrees was being held because he'd been arrested formed the black cultural 53 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:37,600 association as his cover and worked with Donald DeFrees and gave him his code name of Symbque 54 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,680 and designed the seven-headed cobra logo of the Symbinees Liberation Army. 55 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:51,520 So subsequent to that Donald DeFrees one day walked through the laundry out of Vacoville State 56 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:58,320 prison and was free just escaped without any kind of you know health doctor or Donald 57 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,840 that's that doesn't raise any eyebrow. He just walked out one day and then he joined the Symbine 58 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:10,720 His Liberation Army captured Patty Hearst and you think that the reason that Patty Hearst was 59 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,000 was the subject of this kidnapping in mind control was because she was the daughter of William Randolph Herst 60 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,920 and there's several problems the possible reasons one is I don't know but the other is 61 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Jim Jones had a big beef with William Randolph Hearst and so if he captures William Randolph's 62 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,680 first daughter now he can ask for a million dollars back to let her go and what it in fact did was 63 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:43,040 negotiated because the Symbinees Liberation Army was quite left weighing for the people all that 64 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:50,480 he negotiated a food relief deal for poor people in the Bay Area financed by William Randolph Hearst 65 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:57,440 as a condition of letting Patty Hearst go and then what happened was Jim Jones got his people 66 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:03,840 from the temple plus some homeless people and they set up three or four or five food drop off points 67 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,440 they used the money to buy the food they would take it the food to the drop off point 68 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:15,280 then the Jones Towns people would go to the drop of point posing as poor street people 69 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,240 get the food take it back to the distribution center so the same food was circulated around 70 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,520 multiple times and so he appeared that he gave away the huge amount of food but he only had to 71 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:34,400 buy a little small amount so he scammed some money out of William Randolph Hearst and 72 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,920 before William Randolph Hearst could finish negotiating a deal for his daughter to be let go they all 73 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:48,480 kind of took off there was a big shootout most of the Symbinees Liberation Army died in a fire 74 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,000 that took place as part of the shootout sort of like wake up but Patty Hearst and several others 75 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,520 were kind of on the lamb for about a year they were finally captured and they she was taken to jail 76 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:07,280 and during the trial the four expert witnesses who testified on her behalf said that she was 77 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:14,320 a victim of quite sophisticated mind control brainwashing programming which is why she robbed the bank 78 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,560 and why she had the identity of Tanya and why with the daughter of William Randolph Hearst need to 79 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:27,520 rob a bank to get some cash and the company of money and before she was captured zero drug abuse 80 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,640 history zero criminal history no trouble with the law you know models didn't an interesting 81 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,520 that you mentioned that her boyfriend around that time was you know later to reveal to have been 82 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,360 out with Jim so he was already somehow tied in so that was all part of a set up and him being 83 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:50,000 knocked out was part of the cover deal so who are the four experts who come and testify on Patty 84 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,080 Hearst's behalf Martin Oran top secret cleared mk ultra contractor 85 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,960 menk tree and candidate expert equals an expert on creating new identities for use in operations 86 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Louis jolly and west also mk ultra top secret cleared contractor 87 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Robert Lichten who wrote a book based on his interviews of downed Korean pilots who had been 88 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:21,200 brainwashed in the Korean war by the communist Chinese so he was an expert on Chinese mind control 89 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:30,240 brainwashing type stuff and a Margaret singer who also interviewed those pilots so four experts on 90 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:36,960 military CIA brainwashing and communist Chinese brainwashing techniques all came and said yes Patty Hearst 91 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:44,720 has been brainwashed by this basically uneducated street-level criminal so then we're back 92 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:50,640 to how did you know all that well because of course the west worked autom all that so this is the CIA 93 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:56,080 was way of potentially of of hiding the fact that they're doing this and they're going to blame 94 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,440 this guy and say that he's the one who might control her when really he's probably just a front 95 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:07,200 yeah and then the other thing is she's just a criminal and somebody somewhere apparently bought that story 96 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,600 so eventually she got pardoned by the the president of the United States and released a letter to jail 97 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:18,960 she's written an autobiography in which she says that Donald DeFrees was obsessed with colson 98 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Westbrook talked about him all the time and was very convincing was a government agent and she says 99 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:34,160 that Donald DeFrees told her that colson Westbrook gave her gave him his co-game of syndicate so that's 100 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:40,800 independently Patty Hearst story so then we go back to Jonstown where there's all this kind of 101 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:50,080 murky connections with the CIA and so there's the the mass society at Jonstown and there's also a 102 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,440 shooting at the Jonstown airport where Leo Ryan the US congressman was killed at the airport 103 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:04,320 and exactly who shot why is fairly well known it's one of the latent family members and the 104 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:13,200 kind of like the administered of hierarchy of the people's temple but Leo Ryan I have a document 105 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:20,240 from the deputy director of the CIA to Leo Ryan a letter confirming that the CIA was in fact 106 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:26,080 conducting drug experiments on prisoners at the back of the state prison at the same time that 107 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:33,360 Donald DeFrees was there and that would be under MK search I forgot the sub project number but one of the 108 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,360 MK search projects in the drug was pemeline and Leo Ryan was investigating 109 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:48,000 CIA operations in general mine control in general and was proposing to try and get legislation enacted 110 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:55,200 giving congress total control and oversight of the entire CIA budget so there'd be no more black 111 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:04,320 budget and so then Leo Ryan goes to Jonstown on low and behold the high up in the minister of hierarchy 112 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,000 employee of Jim Jones who is a CIA contractor who's been walking around with the boyfriend of 113 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:20,880 Patty Hearst kills Leo Ryan so that's the end of that legislation and so now the the San Francisco 114 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Chronicle eases off on its criticism of the people's temple because all the people have died 115 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:33,760 but according to this book was uh Jones down a CIA medical experiment which is not totally totally 116 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:40,240 proven but it's very thorough scholarship and it's quite plausible actually it's known that 117 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:47,520 people would line up every night and get a special cookie at Jones town all the people so the ideas that 118 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:54,480 in the cookie there was either drug A drug B or placebo and the experiment was to see if either 119 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,840 of the drugs would increase the likelihood of a person volunteering to commit suicide compared to placebo 120 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,960 and supposedly of all the people who died at Jones town only may be about half or a little more than 121 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:14,400 half at most actually committed suicide the rest were actually all shot so it was a combination of 122 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:22,160 mass murder suicide and several members of the latent family were evacuated from Jones town 123 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:28,400 by this CIA station chief in that South American country in the week prior to the mass suicide 124 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,720 so it doesn't seem that it was it doesn't seem exactly unrelated to random and one of the 125 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:42,800 people who survived Jones town is a man named Mark Lane who wrote a lot of books about the Kennedy 126 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:50,400 assassination saying it was a conspiracy basically so he escaped Jones town and got back to the 127 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,920 United States and a very hairy and hassled frame of mind immediately before he had to testify 128 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:03,120 at the House Select Committee on Assassinations which concluded that the Kennedy assassination 129 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:11,840 was not in fact a long-dumb and so there's all these like strange kind of connections in this huge 130 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:24,960 way but they just for it all to be random right and so you have documented all of this in your book 131 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:32,800 the CIA doctors uh some but not all of that story yeah okay and then where obviously the book you just 132 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,280 mentioned but are there other places you might could recommend that people look of they if they want 133 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:46,560 to learn more about the specific um the specific incident there's been a whole series of articles 134 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:52,400 about it in freedom magazine over the years but that would be in the archives of freedom magazine 135 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:58,400 so it could contact freedom magazine and ask them which is just google freedom magazine it's not hard to find