1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,000 The Reverend Jim Jones was one of the most bizarre religious leaders America has ever... 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:22,000 On November 18, 1978, he ordered his followers to commit suicide. 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Why did over 900 people follow one man to their doom? 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:34,000 How did Jim Jones control so many lives? 5 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:05,000 This series presents information based in part on theory and conjecture. 6 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:14,000 The producer's purpose is to suggest some possible explanation, but not necessarily ... 7 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 I want you to be like I am. I want you to become what I am. 8 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,000 I want you to enjoy the fearlessness that I have, the courage that I have, the compass... 9 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:32,000 the all-encompassing mercy that I have. I want you to be what I am and something... 10 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,000 And if you don't want to go this route, then go to hell where you want to, but don't... 11 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:51,000 The Reverend Jim Jones, born 1931, died November 18, 1978, with 913 of his followe... 12 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 How did it happen? 13 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,000 What was the basis of Jim Jones' frightening power over his followers? 14 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,000 If his story is told again, will it serve as a lesson for now? 15 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 James Warren Jones came from a poor southern Indiana family. 16 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Jimmy was a serious-minded but rebellious boy who became captivated by fundamentalist... 17 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:27,000 In what was then a stronghold of the Ku Klux Klan, the young Jones preached racial... 18 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,000 To finance his first interracial church, he sold live monkeys door to door. 19 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:39,000 In 1965, Jones moved his congregation to Redwood Valley, California. 20 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Haunted by visions of nuclear apocalypse, he declared that here at last was a safe plac... 21 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 the People's Temple. 22 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:58,000 We've got every level of society, all socioeconomic income, straight from... 23 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Really, it's beautiful to see that all these divisions have been broken down, not only... 24 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Just a warm fellowship and acceptance of all people. 25 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:16,000 We started with about 141 people, and from that we've grown to a very thriving... 26 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 I didn't think you'd be tired. 27 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Not around you. 28 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Jones achieved extraordinary rapport with people, especially with the aged and with... 29 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Thank you for inviting me in. 30 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:36,000 To those who felt useless and unwanted, he offered respect and love. 31 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 I'm about to go home. 32 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Jim Jones was a fiery minister who ridiculed the Christian deity as an impotent sky god. 33 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 I'm here to teach you how to go sky god up high in the sky to see my god. 34 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 I'm here to teach you that what you see is what you get. 35 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 You don't get out. 36 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Beautiful. 37 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Greystone was a top aide to Jim Jones. 38 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Jim Jones wasn't a Christian. He was an atheist. 39 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Jim used to have people bring the Bibles into the church, and he would throw them down, ... 40 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 and he would talk about using the pages for toilet paper. 41 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Debbie Layton was a member of the Temple Planning Commission. 42 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Jim Jones was a brilliant man. Clever, deceitful and evil, but he was very, very... 43 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,000 And he read all the books on sociology and psychology and other cults and brainwashing, 44 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:36,000 and he knew exactly what to say and what to do to impress and influence other people. 45 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 You'll see, let's walk over this way, and I think it's everyone. 46 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Ow, ow, ow! 47 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 It's all right, it's all right. 48 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Jones was a gifted showman, an expert practitioner of faith healing. 49 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 According to numerous reports, most of the healings were phony, 50 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:03,000 but they appealed especially to fundamentalist worshippers who had a long... 51 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,000 I think that Jones was able to attract a lot of people into the church 52 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,000 because he got to these people at a point in their life where they were vulnerable, 53 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:20,000 be it with they were in the middle of a divorce or they were depressed or they wer... 54 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:27,000 I was a very, very rebellious kid, and Jim used guilt to bring me into the church and... 55 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,000 He said people from affluent backgrounds that are spoiled cannot stay in a group like this, 56 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,000 cannot stay in a structured life and give of themselves to other people. 57 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,000 And I was determined that I cared about other people and I was going to stay in people's... 58 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,000 You had an instant family, you had instant friends, you never had to be alone. 59 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,000 If you had any problems, you always had someone to go to. 60 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 You were just never alone, you always had support, and that's very powerful. 61 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Charles Gary was People's Temple attorney for two years. 62 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Jim Jones had tremendous charisma. 63 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,000 As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever met anybody with more charisma. 64 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,000 He was very fascinating, very enthusiastic in what he had to say, very convincing. 65 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:21,000 It's only when you began to read between the lines as you knew him over a period of time 66 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:29,000 that you began to get the feeling that he had a tremendous ego, and that ego was almost... 67 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,000 As temple membership soared, Jones became increasingly political. 68 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 He mobilized thousands to help elect the late San Francisco mayor, George Moscone, 69 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 who rewarded him with the prestigious directorship of the Housing Authority. 70 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Jim Jones was highly respected in San Francisco. 71 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 He supported Ronald Reagan as governor and Richard Nixon. 72 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,000 He was a tremendous champion of free speech, civil rights, civil liberties, 73 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,000 anything that was progressive and good. 74 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Along with Jones' increasing power came fear of media persecution. 75 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,000 On one occasion, he gave permission to film services in Los Angeles, 76 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,000 but suddenly reneged on his promise. 77 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 I really don't feel comfortable with our worship being photographed. 78 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000 I really don't. I must go against the entire council. I don't feel good about it. 79 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 They can photograph me all they choose, because I do not care. I'm fearless. 80 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 But I don't want the cameras focusing on others. I don't want them. 81 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Ask me your questions and I'll tell you right straight from the beginning. 82 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,000 What was passing between this man and his congregation? 83 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,000 It was perhaps a form of romance, but as time went on, Jones seemed to change. 84 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 The dark side of his personality came to the fore. 85 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Every single member of your family had to get on the floor and say something negative ab... 86 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,000 And that was to break down any tone of the conversation. 87 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Every single member of your family had to get on the floor and say something negative ab... 88 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 And that was to break down any ties and unity within a family, 89 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,000 so that when you did come to the realization that something was wrong and you wanted to... 90 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 you could not feel the bond to go to a family member and say, 91 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,000 listen, something's wrong here. Let's get out. 92 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Tommy Boog was seven years old when his parents brought him to People's Temple. 93 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 They had these little kids, maybe six, seven years old, going to this room, 94 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 and they'd make them grab hold of these these electrode things, 95 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,000 and they'd start turning up the electricity on, and they'd put a microphone next to th... 96 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,000 and you'd start hearing them screaming, you know, I mean, it sounds, I mean, it's bloo... 97 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 It's the only way I can really put it. 98 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,000 After critical articles appeared in the San Francisco Examiner, Jones staged a... 99 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 All of these allegations are totally untrue. 100 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,000 I'm principled and dedicated to my people, and they are also committed to the Christi... 101 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 The Judeo-Christian ethic of service. 102 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Certainly anyone who wants to investigate our organization, 103 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,000 we're more than open to it by any honestly inquiring group or otherwise. 104 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:16,000 So intimidating was Jones' demonstration that the newspaper canceled its series of artic... 105 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:21,000 I think that Jones probably was an unhappy person. 106 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Deep down inside, he didn't believe in himself, 107 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,000 and so he was constantly having to attain more money to be more secure, 108 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,000 more political friends. 109 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Jones would freak out when anybody would speak against the church or him. 110 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Jim hated men. He was very insecure, and only women became the top aides to him. 111 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 According to Debbie Layton in the book In My Father's House, 112 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Jones appropriated her brother Larry's first wife, Carolyn. 113 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,000 When Larry remarried, Jones also seduced his second wife, Karen. 114 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Ex-Temple member Richard Clark. 115 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 I think that Jones was burning up with lust. 116 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,000 As a matter of fact, he finally told her one night, he finally said that 117 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 he would like to have sex with everybody in the temple, you know. 118 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Every single woman that was on the planning commission was approached by Jim Jones 119 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,000 and forced into a sexual relationship, and I consider it rape. 120 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 I was raped by Jim Jones. 121 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:30,000 In late 1977, New West magazine printed a blistering expose of People's Temple. 122 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Grace Stone sued for custody of her six-year-old son, 123 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 who Jones claimed was his child. 124 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Jones reacted to his difficulties by moving Temple members 6,000 miles to Jonestown, 125 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,000 a settlement he had started earlier in Guyana. 126 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Here, Jones would have to answer to no man. 127 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Jonestown would be a world unto itself. 128 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Flour, flour, rice, black-eyed peas, more peas. 129 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 You have different containers around the place. 130 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Couldn't go through all the tremendous inventory they built up, Kool-Aid. 131 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,000 What a swing! What liberation brings! 132 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:23,000 The first time I went there in October of 1977, I came back and I said I saw paradise. 133 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 They had their own electricity, they had their own generators, 134 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,000 they had the most perfect medical setup I have ever seen. 135 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Everything was immaculate, everything was good, and everything was decent. 136 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:43,000 When fascist terror brings concentration camps, or brings massive food riots, you h... 137 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:49,000 You just can't imagine that all the hundreds of us here are so extremely happy. 138 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 I wish I could describe the whole thing to you, but it's hard. 139 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,000 But I just must say this, I can't help but say that none of this would have been... 140 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 had it not been for Jim Jones. 141 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:07,000 I thank you, Jim. You have certainly made a way for us, and everybody seems to be so... 142 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 I am pleased. Thank you, Jim. 143 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,000 I want to go back to the States, because this place is better. 144 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 That was pretty much an ideal situation, because you could see progress happening. 145 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 You had a sense of you were creating a town. 146 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 But then when Jones came down there, that all changed. 147 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 They started having the long meetings until 3, 4 o'clock in the morning. 148 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:38,000 They started having 12-hour workdays, and the discipline started getting to the extremes. 149 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,000 And it just became the hellhole. 150 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,000 When I got to Jonestown, the first thing Jones asked me was, how did I want to die? 151 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 And he asked me, did I want to die fighting, or did I want to take the portion? 152 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Then I knew what I was up against then. It was death that Jones had chosen for us. 153 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,000 As more people packed into Jonestown, food supplies ran low. 154 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Jones controlled millions in temple funds, but refused to spend it on food or adequat... 155 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Isolated in the jungle, news from outside came to him in radio fragments. 156 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,000 His fears and suspicions multiplied. 157 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Quite likely I'll be there for both. 158 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,000 For 900 people, life became an answer to one man's whim. 159 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Jonestown was their entire reality. 160 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Jim Jones was their God. 161 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:49,000 I woke up and I had a constriction, I guess, in my chest or in my stomach, and I couldn... 162 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 I couldn't breathe at all. 163 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,000 I didn't even call on Father. 164 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,000 I thought of him, and it all worked out. 165 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Thank you, Father. 166 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Thank you, Father. 167 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Thank you, Father. 168 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Thank you, Father. 169 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Round Jonestown was just like a force field of evil. 170 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:23,000 It would even take your mind, just like you couldn't even think when you were round... 171 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:29,000 The most frightening things about Jonestown were that there were armed guards surround... 172 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:35,000 and while you worked in the field, they watched you, and you weren't allowed to sp... 173 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:43,000 And Jim Jones' voice went over the loudspeakers 24 hours a day while you ate,... 174 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:51,000 When Grace Stone carried her custody battle for her son, John John, into Guyanese cour... 175 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:58,000 By any chance you would make a mistake to try to come in and take any one of us? 176 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,000 We will not let you. You will die. You will have to take anybody over all of our dead... 177 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Jim Jones was not sane. 178 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,000 He had not been sane since I saw him in August of 1978. 179 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 His paranoia was destructive. 180 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,000 I warned him about his paranoia, but he treated that as though I was an enemy. 181 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:39,000 I got a hell of a lot of weapons to fight. I got my claws, I got guns, I got dynamite, ... 182 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 I'll fight! 183 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:53,000 By mid-November 1978, concerned relatives of Temple members persuaded Congressman Leo R... 184 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000 Ryan brought reporters and a network news team. 185 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Nothing could have triggered more dread in Jim Jones. 186 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 At first, the visit was a success for Jones. 187 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Ryan and reporters saw only the superficial, positive side of Jonestown. 188 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,000 The next morning, however, ten people, including Richard Clark, fled into the... 189 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,000 Several other families told the Ryan party they wanted to leave. Jones could not chan... 190 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Congressman Ryan came over to him and he said, Jim, don't be upset about this. 191 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:38,000 He said, if half of the people here were to leave, I would still say you have the most... 192 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Jones would not be soothed. Is it conceivable that he was mentally unstable from an earl... 193 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,000 A borderline psychotic who attempted to realize his paranoid delusions of grandeur. 194 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Now his dreams seem to crumble around him. 195 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,000 People play games, friend. They lie. They lie. What can I do about lies? 196 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,000 I say, you people are going to leave us. I just beg you, please leave us. 197 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Bill, we will bother nobody. Anybody wants to get out of here can get out of here. 198 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 We have no problem about getting out of here. They come and go all the time. 199 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,000 I don't know what kind of game. People like publicity. Some people do. I don't. 200 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Emotions ran high as the defectors left with the Ryan party. Tommy Bogue was among them. 201 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 So we're going down the road and then they stop to take some pictures further along. 202 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,000 When they stop, we tell them, don't stop, keep going because something's going to... 203 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,000 So we come into the airport and that's where we all get off and wait for the airplanes. 204 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,000 And I loaded onto the big airplane and I was sitting right across from the door in the... 205 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000 That's when we saw the tractor and trailer coming around. 206 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:05,000 When the shooting stopped, Congressman Ryan, three newsmen and young Patty Parks lay dead. 207 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Ten others, including Tommy Bogue, were wounded. 208 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Odell Rhodes is one of the few surviving eyewitnesses to what happened next in... 209 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Jim Jones came over with the speaker system itself and he called everyone to a general... 210 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:24,000 It's too late. The congress is dead, the congress is dead, many of our retreaters a... 211 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 They're all laying out their dead. 212 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:35,000 He told us that the Guyanese army would parachute in on us and they would turn us ... 213 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:43,000 They would parachute in on us and they would torture older people and babies and that w... 214 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,000 If we can't live in peace, then let's die in peace. 215 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,000 To be so betrayed, to be so terribly betrayed. 216 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:11,000 And I was just looking, I mean here are people my age, older people, younger peopl... 217 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000 They were voluntarily drinking poison. 218 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:18,000 This is a revolutionary suicide. This is not a self-destructive suicide. 219 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Please, for God's sake, let's get on with it. We've lived, we've lived, there's no other... 220 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:30,000 We've had as much of this world as you're going to get. Let's just be done with it.... 221 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Eyewitness Stanley Clayton. 222 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Some people was not getting up out of their seat. They were sitting there, you know,... 223 00:19:43,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Where people within the, with Jim Jones there, you know, imposing himself on these... 224 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,000 We do not want them to come in and shoot us down like dogs, you know. Let's die with... 225 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:16,000 And the fact that people listened to that, but then there were some that didn't liste... 226 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 If they didn't go over there, they were injected right there. 227 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Hurry, my children, hurry. They're just not falling into the hands of the enemy. Hurry... 228 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Odell Rhodes and Stanley Clayton escaped into the jungle. 229 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:46,000 When Odell returned with Guyanese officials, they found Jim Jones shot in the head. 230 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Of 914 dead, only he and his nurse had not taken poison. 231 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Jim Jones and most of his followers are gone. 232 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,000 But disturbing questions remain. 233 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Is our present society especially vulnerable to men like Jones? 234 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Are there other cults in America with tragic potential? 235 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Reportedly, there are still people who venerate Jim Jones, who sleep with his... 236 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Organizations that offer solutions to all of life's problems can be seductive, but also... 237 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Might the lesson of Jonestown help people avoid the danger? 238 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,000 The church was bizarre at the end, but it didn't start out that way. 239 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:45,000 What a person saw the church in the beginning and what they saw afterwards were two... 240 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,000 People were tricked, and I believe that most people can be tricked.