1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,000 All right, we're talking to Chris, but no more author extraordinaire. Now Chris, before we went into the break, we were talking about how the Vatican is either in search of or believes in 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:20,000 the right, extraterrestrials, and yes, we're talking about the actual ET kind. It's so much so that they've devoted resources to it, money, 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:30,000 scientists, and they've even come out and said, yeah, man, we're working ready to baptize these little green guys. Let's let's do this. What's what's their position? Why are they doing it? 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:43,000 I think that from the source of statements that we see in the investments they have in the projects that they believe in it, and they're trying to get out ahead of it, theologically. 5 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,000 And even people that are at the U.F.ologists, people that are U.F. us into the U.F. field like Richard Dolan, it is written several books. 6 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:10,000 On his recent book, after disclosure, has a whole section where, you know, they notice that the Vatican has positions themselves, basically to be that theological imissaries, if there is an alien disclosure of that, 7 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:25,000 I don't know if your listeners are aware, but the Vatican has a astronomical observatory called the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope on top of Mount Graham in Arizona. 8 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Now, this is called the Mount Graham International Observatory Complex. It was sponsored by the University of Arizona, which has one of the largest astronomy programs in the country, and one of the few astro-biology programs. 9 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:58,000 So, they have this International Observatory complex up on top of this mountain in Arizona is an ideal location if you think about the fact that you have a mountain that's in the middle of a desert. 10 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:10,000 So, the desert is particularly dry, and then you have the elevation of a mountain where you get up really close, you know, close as you can, to the edge of the atmosphere. 11 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:25,000 And the fact that there's not as much moisture as you would have in other areas, creates a clear type of image because, you know, moisture and the atmosphere, the storage and you create a lending effect. 12 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:41,000 So, it's an ideal sort of location, and so, the Vatican actually has one of the most advanced technology telescopes in the world in that at the University of Arizona, they pioneered a new mirror of technology. 13 00:02:41,000 --> 00:03:05,000 This is what really fueled this project. Now, the whole facility on Mount Graham has been very controversial because it's really, it's this mountain, Mount Graham is actually a holy mountain of the Western Apache Indians, the San Carlos Apache tribe has been protesting it all along. But there's been some real... 14 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 What was that? 15 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 There you are. 16 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Yes. 17 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Is that what happened? 18 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Okay, I don't know what it was, but something happened. 19 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Okay. 20 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Well, the Western Apache and some environmentalists have been protesting the Mount Graham is already on the observatory the whole time, but it kind of got in-runched through Congress where they bypassed all the environmental laws and actually Congress legislated the permits to build this thing. 21 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:50,000 So, it's been a very controversial project. But what you have in Arizona is a guy pioneered a new mirror of technology. Now, with the telescopes, the mirror is really the source of the power, the bigger than the era, the deeper into space you can see because you can gather more light with the bigger mirror. 22 00:03:50,000 --> 00:04:01,000 So, they pioneered this way of using Pyrex glass with a honeycomb back of the mirror so you can make really huge mirrors bigger than any that we're made in the past. 23 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:08,000 The first mirror that they ever manufactured went to the Vatican Advanced Technology telescope. It was pretty much the prototype. 24 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:17,000 And so, it's not the most powerful telescope in the world that the Vatican has, but it is one of the most precise and it has one of the best mirrors that you could possibly get. 25 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Now, right next to that is the sub-millimeter radio telescope, and that's operated by the University and the coalition of astronomers. 26 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:38,000 And then only maybe like 100 yards away from there is what they call the large binocular telescope. Now, this is the most powerful telescope in the world right now, bar none. 27 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:48,000 So, we have these three telescopes on top of the ground, the Vatican Advanced Technology telescope, the sub-millimeter radio telescope, and the large binocular telescope. 28 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Now, the large binocular telescope, like I said, it is the most powerful telescope in the world. 29 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And the reason being is that they had two of these huge mirrors that I'm talking about, and these are even bigger than the that mirror. 30 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:09,000 And there's two of them, so you get twice the light gathering power that you would get from one. 31 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 And they used the two actually to focus the image. 32 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:21,000 So, when you have two mirrors like that, they can compensate for the lending effect that you get from the Earth's atmosphere. 33 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:34,000 And then, to the technicians that Tom Horton and myself spoke to, and we toward the facility, they get better quality images at the lbt, then they can even get from the Hubble Space Telescope, it's out in space on the satellite. 34 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Wow. 35 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Wow. 36 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Wow. 37 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Wow. 38 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Wow. 39 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Wow. 40 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Wow. 41 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Wow. 42 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Wow. 43 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Wow. 44 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Wow. 45 00:05:50,000 --> 00:06:03,000 So, there's like all kinds of people saying, well, the Vatican is up on that, Graham, with the telescope name Lucifer. 46 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,000 And it really does sound pretty fantastic, but it's pretty close to turn. 47 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I don't think the Vatican has anything to do with the naming of it, but it's pretty much that association by location, because the large binocular telescope, we're talking about that. 48 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 I'm multi-multi-multi-million dollar facility. 49 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,000 And this was pretty much put together by a conglomerate of people. 50 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 There's a whole host of American universities in the United States. 51 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 We could go down that road for a long time, but I want to get to what are they looking for? 52 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Okay. 53 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Well, Lucifer stands for large binocular telescope with near infrared utility with camera, and the integral field, you know, for extra galactic research. 54 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 That's easy. 55 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Yeah. 56 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 And there's a really forced acronym. 57 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Okay. 58 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Obviously. 59 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Well, for extra galactic research, I guess would be the operative term to your question. 60 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,000 A big part of the project up there is Exo Planets. 61 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,000 They're looking for extra solar planets, this is what Exo Planets means. 62 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:14,000 And this is kind of where the title of our book is playing on this prefect exo-batic, canna. 63 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,000 So they've actually discovered over 600 exo planets now. 64 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,000 And that's a pretty fantastic thing because, you know, in 1996, when they discovered the first one. 65 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:32,000 So we didn't have any evidence of any planets outside our solar system until 1996. 66 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Now, the catalog over 600, and there's about 12 or so that they are trying, you know, they'll say, are habitable. 67 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Now, I think that's somewhat of a misnomer because the way they define habitable, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's habitable. 68 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 But here's how that works. 69 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,000 They call it the Goldilocks zone or the habitable zone. 70 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:06,000 And what that means is the planet that you have discovered is a comparable distance from its star. 71 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,000 The Earth is to our Sun, meaning that liquid water would stay on the planet. 72 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 You know, it's safe if you're too close to the Sun, the water all vaporizes. 73 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 If you're too far away at all freezes. 74 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 So what they're looking for is a planet that's capable of hosting liquid water. 75 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Because the worldview that these scientists have basically says, if you find the water, you'll find life. 76 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Because to them, you know, the right conditions and a little bit of water and proof life will just pop into place. 77 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:51,000 And that's kind of the way the naturalistic worldview views the, you know, the origin of life is basically just an arrand of accident of molecules running into, and do each other in some kind of primordial soup. 78 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:58,000 So inevitably, if you find a planet that's in the right place that has a liquid water, then poop you'll probably have life there. 79 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,000 And that is exactly what they're looking for. 80 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Okay, so we have this situation where they're getting all prepped and ready to start baptizing ET. 81 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:14,000 We know that they have said that your belief in extraterrestrials doesn't negate your belief in a god. 82 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,000 So obviously, they're, they're no something they're getting ready for something or they're wanting something to happen. 83 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Let's get into a little bit what's behind all the UFO sightings because they're getting to the point now where you can't really ignore it. 84 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 So now we have to figure out what it is. 85 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 We'll be back with Chris Pondon right after this. 86 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Right now on click or lando.com, you can also find it on dredge is a new UFO report out of Osala, Florida or O'Cala, Florida, Harvey say it. 87 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:50,000 So these, this UFO phenomena is, is increasing and it's, it's getting to the point where even former presidents have said yep, I've seen UFOs. 88 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,000 And UFOs and the Vatican aren't necessarily as far apart as you might believe either. 89 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:04,000 I mean, there's, there's some connection here and to talk about that, we are continuing our conversation with Chris Pondon, author of exo vetacana. 90 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Chris, no UFOs and in the Vatican aren't really strangers are they. 91 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,000 No, I actually discovered some rather startling information. 92 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Now if you're listening to see the promotional video for our book and the cover of the book, it has a flying saucer above the St. Peter's and it looks all pretty fantastic and you know people would probably think that we were trading on some sensationalism there. 93 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:38,000 But actually something like that seems to have occurred more than once according to some pretty reliable witnesses. 94 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:48,000 The one that seems to be the most suggestive is the year 1978, which is the famous year of three posts. 95 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Now what I mean by that, there was actually three different posts in that calendar year, this is when the post Paul the fifth died and then they elected. 96 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:09,000 And then they elected John Paul the first. Now he only lived 33 days, which is pretty controversial and some people think that there was some spelled degree that occurred with him. 97 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:18,000 But without getting into that, then they elected John Paul the second, he's probably the famous prep that most people remember that are over the age of 20 or so. 98 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,000 But right in that brief pontific head of John Paul the first that 33 day papacy. 99 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,000 There was a huge outbreak of UFO sightings above the city of Rome. 100 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Now I collected various reports like the mutual unidentified flying object network move on. 101 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Here's a little snippet from one of their reports at 5.50 a.m. on September 14 people in Rome saw a triangular object for five minutes. 102 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,000 About the same time people in their flarts reported seeing the cigar shaped object. 103 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Early on the morning of the 16th, how a police near Rome received calls about a luminous triangle in a beam of greenish light. 104 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:06,000 So here, you know, there's a report saying that the early morning, you know, they had a triangular craft. 105 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Rome was reported by policemen, Vatican guards, airline workers. 106 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Now we don't really know what's going on with this green radiation being, but apparently it was seen by multiple people. 107 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:26,000 You know, then about two weeks later, was when John Paul the first mysteriously died and some people saying he was poisoned. 108 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:33,000 I don't know if there's a connection to this UFO break, but the timing of all this at the same time is really suggest it. 109 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Now this all continued right into the election of John Paul the second. 110 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:47,000 It's so much so that by December, so this was in September and in two weeks later we have John Paul die and then they elect John Paul the second. 111 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:54,000 By December, the UFO sightings ever rum had become so invasive that it made the press all across the United States. 112 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Now just do a little research. I found the New York Times News Service ran articles all across the United States in 1978 in December. 113 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:13,000 And we actually had the clippings from various newspapers and it's actually posted on my website as well, which is log on to Apologya.org. 114 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:23,000 But according to this newspaper article from the New York Times, dozens of persons witnessed and photographed a strange donut shaped craft in knitting a beam of green light above Rome. 115 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:35,000 In December of 1978, according to the article, the police department corroborated the sightings they saw it to even more disturbing to fish or men in a nearby village disappeared. 116 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,000 And as far as I know, their fate is unknown. 117 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:48,000 And so here we have this unprecedented level of UFO activity coinciding with this infamous year of three posts. 118 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Adam minimum of the correlation is suggestive, but it's really not the end of the story. 119 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,000 This sort of activity has happened more than once. 120 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:07,000 In fact, what's quite interesting is that when John Paul the second died in April of 2005, the day that they were going to bury him, 121 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,000 there was a UFO exciting right above the Vatican again. 122 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:18,000 And this time it was caught on camera and it also made, it even made television in the United States in 2005. 123 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 So we're just talking about eight years ago. 124 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,000 And we have a still shot from some of the video footage that actually was aired in the United States. 125 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,000 So Chris, what do you think these UFOs are? 126 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Are they military aircraft? 127 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Are they, you know, little green men from far far away? 128 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 What do you think these are? 129 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Well, you know, it's always a danger when you're generalizing something because the UFO means unidentified, right? 130 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:56,000 But you know, most of the time people are talking about a flying saucer, some kind of other a worldly craft or something they don't recognize as something, you know, conventional. 131 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,000 And you know, my, I think it's more than one thing sometimes. 132 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:14,000 So it's hard to be precise, but I really do think that a large part of the unidentified portion of this phenomenon is associated with the powers and 133 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Principalities that the apostle Paul talks about in Ephesians chapter six. 134 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Now, for your listeners that aren't familiar with what I'm talking about, these would be fall and angels or demonic entities. 135 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,000 In the New Testament, the realm of these entities is actually the sky. 136 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:41,000 You know, a lot of people think that the demons and the fallen angels are in hell, but hell is actually where they are punished at the end of time. 137 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000 No one rules in hell. 138 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:50,000 The world view of the New Testament may even call Satan the Prince of the power of the air. 139 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,000 If you look at the sorts of terminology that they use in the Greek language and they originally test them at that, 140 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:01,000 they really thought that the demons are outside it in the atmosphere between the earth and the moon. 141 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,000 And that really fits the sorts of things that we see with the FF and all. 142 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Without. 143 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 I just go say that's that seven flavors of freaky. 144 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:17,000 So if we're going to to suggest that some of this UFO activity has a demonic characteristic to it, 145 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:25,000 and there's an association with UFOs in the Vatican, and obviously the Vatican wants there to be an association between them in any possible UFO activity, 146 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,000 because they're searching for it, preparing to baptize them and everything like that. 147 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Then it, it kind of makes sense because a lot of people think, well, the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus Christ founded and Peter carried out. 148 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Obviously that's not the truth. 149 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,000 It's kind of the same thing as leading people away from the faith and setting up a false system. 150 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 So there's kind of some parallels there isn't there? 151 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Yeah, I think so. 152 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:59,000 And that's kind of, that's our thesis is that, you know, something the Bible talks about a strong delusion that leads to the world to believe the lie. 153 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Jesus said things like, you know, when a guy near the time of his return that the level of deception would be so great that if it were possible, it would deceive even the elect. 154 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,000 So we're talking about a really powerful level of spiritual deception. 155 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Now, you know, what is there this kind of thesis and we're kind of running out. 156 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:29,000 I could talk to you for two days about this, but isn't there kind of like this thesis that salvation might come in the arms of these aliens? 157 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Well, certainly, that's a myth that's been in our culture since the late 40s that, you know, basically that we discovered nuclear weapons and that we're about to need ourselves, so that these flying saucers showed up actually save us from ourselves. 158 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:54,000 So even in secular thought, there is a mythology concerning alien saviors that are really here to save us and help us spiritually evolve it and not nuke ourselves. 159 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Wow. 160 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Wow. 161 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,000 I mean, that's obviously, this is outside the realm of what we usually talk about on this show. 162 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:12,000 We usually, you know, talk politics or something, but this is obviously important because there are so many people who believe this and so many people who've been led us stray obviously by the Catholic church and stuff like that. 163 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:25,000 And if they're in this position where they're starting to say, oh, well, you know, if always are good and we're going to baptize aliens and all that sort of stuff, it's really leading to a very interesting place, which is why I'm glad you wrote this book. 164 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 How do people get the book? It's comes out Monday, right? 165 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Yeah, it should be, I think we'll be shipping on Tuesday, but Raiders NewsUpdate.com is my publisher Tom Hornsite and you can order it there Tuesday. 166 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000 I think it's a survival mall.com. 167 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:47,000 That's Raiders NewsUpdate.com and you can find out everything about the book there. Also, exoVadaCana.com. 168 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:53,000 And my website is logosapology.org. 169 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,000 L-O-O-G-O-S-A-O-O-G-I-A-A-D-O-R-G. 170 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:06,000 And with this book, I might say on the website right now, with this book, you get it when you order it from that website, you get a lot of other free stuff that comes along with it. 171 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Some audio and news updates and all that sort of stuff to kind of do your own research behind the stories. 172 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Yeah, absolutely. This book will also be available at Amazon.com and Barnes & Neville and I think books in the end, places like that. 173 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:24,000 But Tom wanted to sweeten the deal if you order it from the publisher from survivalmall.com. 174 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:30,000 You actually get data DVDs that have a lot of the research documents and materials that we reference in the book. 175 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 That you only get that if you order it from him. 176 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Well, fascinating to say the least Chris Putnam always fun to have you on the show. 177 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000 That's for sure. 178 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 And I don't know what that weird noise was. 179 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Sounded like some evil speared out of the Vatican was trying to disrupt the truth. 180 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 I'm coming out or something. Who knows. 181 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 That doesn't for today, my friends. 182 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Today tomorrow is always. 183 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,000 May you're pathily to heaven and may freedom follow in your footsteps.