1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:24,880 Jim is a stonemason by trade. He's been researching the stone sites of New England for a very 2 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,840 long time. That's his local area. Him and his brother Bill pulled together the search 3 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,180 for the Lost Giants TV show and he's got a recent history channel special called the 4 00:00:34,180 --> 00:00:42,680 Roanoke search for the lost colony. Jim famously had his Ted X talk removed from the internet 5 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:48,640 because of the very controversial subject of stone sites and giants. And just like 6 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,480 Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake before him, the same thing happened. They got it 7 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:56,240 removed. It's very controversial. Although Jim was one of the people that didn't make 8 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,680 a big fuss about it and just got on with the research. But, and basically Jim has just 9 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:08,280 come over to England. We started to put together more research on the global giant story. But 10 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,180 this lecture, Jim's going to get into some of the subjects starting off around his home 11 00:01:13,180 --> 00:01:18,360 area of New England and giving some other aspects, some other dimensions to the whole 12 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,520 story of the giants. So please give a warm welcome to Jim Vieira. 13 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:28,520 Thank you very much. I'm going to run through a lot of slides. Don't feel like you got 14 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:38,260 to catch every piece of information. I'll tell you, you know, the relative things. I 15 00:01:38,260 --> 00:01:44,840 mean the, the noteworthy items I'll point out and talk about. But I just, you know, 16 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,520 to give you the scope of what we're talking about and the different angles that we approach 17 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:54,920 the subject from, you know, Native American lore, presidents, mystics, all these, you 18 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:01,920 know, vectors pointing to the theoretical possibility that giants once existed. So, 19 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,740 you know, don't feel like stressed out if I'm running through a bunch of slides. So 20 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:12,320 as you said, my brother and I did a show for the History Channel and we just did a two 21 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,760 hour special and hopefully you will see us again next fall with Hugh and my brother 22 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:24,760 on another far reaching mysteries exploration show. That's Hugh and I in the show. So I'm 23 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,280 a stonemason by trade. I live in Asheville, Massachusetts. You might guess I grew up in 24 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Boston. What I like to do is I've built stone towers all around my town. I've built, you 25 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,240 know, three 12 footers with my brother out in the yard. For the local theater company 26 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,880 we did all the stone installation, hundreds of feet of wall, fountains, all kinds of stone 27 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,240 creations. I like to try to bring beauty and order to the environment and clean the woods 28 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,960 and do things like this that just people can drive by and appreciate. You know, transducers 29 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:03,960 of energy. Did this for a landscape architect. Did this thousand square foot patio in Vermont. 30 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:11,320 Actually that was a Steiner school. It was kind of cool. We do all kinds of jobs of different 31 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,400 sizes and constructions. This is actually a fountain. There's a huge reservoir under 32 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:21,760 there. We built this in Cooper's Corner in Florence, Mass. And this we just did for the 33 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,280 Franklin Land Trust. It's like all our clients are really cool. It's nice. And we cut into 34 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,320 the side of the hill. Actually we had to go up these stairs and bring every one of these 35 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:35,200 stones that was like freaking that thick and muscle them up there. And that's what I do 36 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,280 my whole life. But I'm a stone whisperer now and I really understand how heavy stone is 37 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,200 and how every stone wants to be placed in a particular area. It's very interesting. 38 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:50,360 About 25 years ago I started researching Native American civilizations and native stonework 39 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,000 around the country and looked into the mysteries. Started to look into the mysteries that we 40 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,160 find out in the woods here all the time. These are from Smithsonian Ethnology reports. 41 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:06,400 You have these examples of stonework by Native Americans. You know, when we think Native 42 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,800 American stonework, we think the Pueblos and the cliff dwellings out in the southwest. 43 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,880 But the reality is the eastern half of the country had amazing stonework everywhere. 44 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:20,880 There was stone arched vaults in Iowa. This is from Illinois. Look, this was stone lined 45 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,320 and a burial in the stone mounds. Actually that was an over 7 foot account by one of 46 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,000 the Smithsonian's own scientists. In Wisconsin you find the same thing. This is one of the 47 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:39,000 stone mounds found in Ohio. As a matter of fact, a 55 foot high, 189 foot base stone 48 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,720 mound was found. In 1823 the colonists took it apart to build a dam. When they got to 49 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,520 the bottom they found seven burials. But can you imagine that? 55 foot high, 189 foot 50 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:55,360 base, just this massive stone pyramid, if you will, in Licking County, Ohio. So much 51 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,460 of this stuff got taken apart by the colonists for raw materials for all their projects without 52 00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:06,080 a real respect for the wonderful civilizations that existed before here. Tennessee old stone 53 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:13,080 fort, this massive stone fort that was built over several hundred years. We met with the 54 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:19,080 park ranger in episode five of our show. Right here, he talked about the shaman would walk 55 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,840 through this entrance way and the solstice alignment was, it's not my gig, but it's 56 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:28,040 like accurate to .3 degrees or something like that. So they would walk through here, 57 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,960 fires were lit, this is the park ranger telling me, and the shaman would come in and lead 58 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,920 the ceremony. Very interesting. Native culture was quite sophisticated and mysterious. You 59 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,380 have stone forts all around, hilltops around the Midwest. Thankfully they were documented 60 00:05:42,380 --> 00:05:46,520 by Squire and Davis because they no longer exist. This is Spruce Hill right here. And 61 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:52,240 here's a recreation of the kind of things, somewhat defensive positions. It was this 62 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,880 different world than we're taught in school about Native American civilizations. Very 63 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:02,560 fascinating and certainly from a stone mason's perspective. These are stone vaults in burial 64 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:09,560 mounds in Missouri. And we have chambers all over the place. And you got to ask the question, 65 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,620 this was buried with tons of earth and underneath you see these similar structures that we find 66 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:20,420 around here. It's like, are they Native American? What are we looking at? Are they pre-colonial? 67 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:25,780 So you got a stone tower at Grave Creek. This was captured by Jeffrey Eastman in a lithograph, 68 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:29,140 but this was part of the Grave Creek complex. And you see, obviously there was a stone 69 00:06:29,140 --> 00:06:33,340 tower here and there were towers all around the hilltops that unfortunately were destroyed, 70 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:38,140 but it was like Greek mythology here rather than disorganized civilizations like we talked 71 00:06:38,140 --> 00:06:44,180 about. So this interest in Native American stonework got me interested in the mound 72 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:49,500 builders. The mound builder culture in the United States started in 3400 BC at Watson 73 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:54,900 Break. Very, very interesting. A circular enclosure. There were no burials here. These, 74 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:58,300 first of all, show you kind of anomalies or outliers because they happened before the 75 00:06:58,300 --> 00:07:05,300 core of the mound building construction. I'll quickly say the mound builders were the Adina, 76 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:11,420 Hopewell and Mississippian cultures starting around 1000 BC all the way up to 1500 AD. 77 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:17,340 The Adina were the first, the tall ones. The Adina had massive jaws and skulls. It's 78 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:21,220 a fill. You recognize that they were seven feet and tall and the women were over six 79 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:27,820 feet tall. So this is the first site I was talking about. Poverty Point, 1500 BC. These 80 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:33,660 earthen embankments would fill the Great Pyramid of Egypt 36 times. There was a thriving metropolis 81 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:39,740 here on the Arkansas River and the focal point of it was a 700 by 600 by 72 foot high bird 82 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:44,540 effigy mound. And just this amazing flourishing civilization. They abandoned the site after 83 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:49,020 200 years. Nobody knows what happened to the Poverty Point people. But then several hundred 84 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:54,220 years later, the mound builders of the Ohio River Valley exploded. The Adina people, they 85 00:07:54,220 --> 00:08:01,220 were architects. They were just, just wizards and shamans ruled these people and they did 86 00:08:01,220 --> 00:08:06,940 astonishing things. And you have these burial mounds all over the place. Aztecland, Wisconsin. 87 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:11,940 There's an aerial shot of it. From Native American folklore, we learned that they were 88 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:16,620 powerful shamans that led these tribes, that organized the construction of these sites. 89 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:22,600 It wasn't slave labor. It was a communal effort to create probably, you know, you would agree 90 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,360 with this, earth machines, tools of enlightenment, places you would visit to basically raise 91 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:33,180 your consciousness. Not just burial mounds. There were complexes everywhere. Like in Saul's 92 00:08:33,220 --> 00:08:40,220 Mound in Pinson, I'm sorry, Tennessee. This is a 72 foot mound in the center of a thousand 93 00:08:41,180 --> 00:08:47,300 foot medicine wheel that once existed. And here's Cahokia, a hundred foot high in Collinsville, 94 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:52,940 Illinois. Now this 14 acre base is one acre greater than the Great Pyramid in Egypt. 95 00:08:52,940 --> 00:08:58,920 It required 22 million cubic feet of soil brought from over a mile away to create this 96 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,360 four step pyramid. This is at its heyday. It was probably about 1200 AD. It has a real 97 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,080 Mesoamerican feel. And I believe in other research is that there was interaction between 98 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:15,080 Native American tribes and cultures and further south into Mexico. And you see the step pyramids 99 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,080 are built with earth and not stone because they had no stone to do it. You have ball 100 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,260 courts and astronomical clocks. It really seems like there was an influence there. They 101 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:27,240 only had to cross the Rio Grande River, you know. It's not like they had to go across 102 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,520 the Atlantic. So you see the astronomical orientations possessed at these sites are 103 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:39,040 embedded. You have a woodhenge here. Just magnificent structures. And all of the eastern 104 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,720 United States was amazing with geometric forms and earthen pyramids. This kind of looks like 105 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,960 Teotihuacan actually. One thing that really intrigued me was that there were so many geometric 106 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:56,080 forms like this one in Newark all around the eastern half of the country. 1500 in Ohio 107 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,080 alone. You can imagine just going in and seeing these 20 and 50 acre forms that are 108 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:07,080 precisely built. This one here was investigated by Earlham College professors Hively and Horn 109 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:14,400 in the 80s. And what they determined, they started thinking it was a solar orientation, 110 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,840 but they found that this site predicted eclipses and understood the 18.61-year metonic cycle 111 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:26,840 of the moon. So astonishing things were happening in ancient America. And here it is right 112 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,960 now. It's preserved as a golf course in part, but that gives you a size of the scope. The 113 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,520 landscape was littered with things like this and quite different from what we were taught 114 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,440 in school about Native American culture. And here it was connected to Chillicothe, 55 miles 115 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:48,440 away. There was a several foot high earthen walls, 189 foot apart that traveled for 55 116 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,800 miles that hooked up to this site that also predicted eclipses. And it was more accurate 117 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,600 at different times, I think in the summer. So you had these processional walkways and 118 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:05,600 incredible forms all around the United States. 27 acres right there. And accounts like this, 119 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,360 old royal tomb on earth, bones wrapped in pearls, skulls of two in copper helmet, silver 120 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:17,920 and tortoise shell ornaments dug up. Kings and queens were buried in these burial mounds 121 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,120 with copper crowns and treasures. This is from Sparrow Mound. Very intricate copper 122 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:29,280 work that's in Oklahoma that was found in the 30s. Moundsville, you have the symbol 123 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:36,280 of the hand of the eye that was found in Alabama. Steatite panther from Ohio. Very intricate 124 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:43,400 and amazing artistry. Beaver, nice. And one mound we visited in the show, Mound City, 125 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:50,000 they found a cache of dozens of these pipes, possums and wildcats. Look at them, how beautifully. 126 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,280 They look like they came out of a machine. Just amazing stuff. Very cool. And in one 127 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,920 site, the original Hopewell site in Chillicothe, they found that there were trade routes all 128 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,120 around the country. They found all these artifacts in one burial mound site. Obsidian from Wisconsin, 129 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:11,120 silver from Canada, shells from the Gulf Coast. So there were massive trade networks in ancient 130 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,160 America. It was a super highway of activity. And then a giant problem occurred. You know, 131 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,520 when I was investigating, what I was doing was looking through historical texts for 132 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,280 accounts of stonework existing in New England before the colonel showed up. And I found 133 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,960 many accounts like that. But then I also started to find accounts like this in George Sheldon's 134 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:36,960 1895, the Sheldon, Town History of Darefield. It read, one of these skeletons was described 135 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,920 by Henry Mather, who saw it. Monstrous size, the head as big as a peck basket with double 136 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,340 teeth all around. The skeleton was examined by Dr. Stephen W. Williams, who said the 137 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:53,340 owner must have been nearly eight feet high. So Williams was a doctor who taught anatomy 138 00:12:53,820 --> 00:13:00,820 at Berkshire College. Sheldon was a well-known respected historian, one of the first preservationists 139 00:13:01,180 --> 00:13:06,880 in the country. And he was just, you know, just highly respected. And I said, you know, 140 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,220 what is this all about? What is double rows of teeth? And I talked to my brother about 141 00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:14,900 it, and we were just kind of dumbfounded. So I read through thousands of pages of town 142 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:19,260 and county histories in New England. I started to find similar finds. Right here, town of 143 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:26,260 Middleborough, 1906, when the highway was straightened, Dr. Morrill Robertson found 144 00:13:27,260 --> 00:13:31,740 a skeleton with double rows of teeth in each jaw. That's pretty specific. Must have been 145 00:13:31,740 --> 00:13:36,780 at least seven, eight. Mather's Vineyard, same thing. Man easily seven feet high, and 146 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:41,540 goes out of its way to note an unusual feature was a complete double row of teeth on both 147 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:45,340 the upper and lower jaws. It seems like these historians are really going out of their way 148 00:13:45,340 --> 00:13:51,140 to document this strange anatomic anomaly. And we investigated this one in the show right 149 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:58,140 here. Underneath the Baptist Church in Newton, Mass, buried in the box was a jaw bone with 150 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:02,460 double rows of teeth. And we thought, yeah, we're going to get to this. We'll go to the 151 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:07,260 church. But then we found out it's gone. It's a used car lot now. So we were never able 152 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:10,700 to verify this account with double rows of teeth. But the skeptics are all over us like, 153 00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:15,500 oh, it's a hoax or a fantasy or a delusion or whatever the hell they think. But this 154 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:19,460 is, you know, these accounts are pretty specific, you know, like this one here, the Bates Mountain 155 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:25,500 in Ohio, three skeletons, eight feet. They crumbled to dust. But the remarkable feature, 156 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:30,060 just like the other Martha's Vineyard account, of these remains where they had double teeth 157 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:35,380 in the front as well as in the back in both the upper and lower jaws. Now, just like many 158 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:40,140 accounts, it crumbled back to earth, which is unfortunate. That alone just begs us this 159 00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:44,460 a mystery here, just these accounts. But there are many that we'll put on display that we'll 160 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:49,740 talk about. Even newspaper accounts have this. An extinct race of giant human beings 161 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:54,900 were uncovered near Vassa, Minnesota. Each had double teeth in front as well in the 162 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:59,460 back part of the jaw. Once again, really going all the way to emphasize that strange anatomic 163 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:03,820 anomaly. Yeah, I know this, I've met people with double rows of teeth and they usually 164 00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:08,380 get them removed at birth. It's like a rare genetic condition in humans. So much like 165 00:15:08,380 --> 00:15:13,380 six fingers and six toes, maybe it has something to do with that, where it's just part of 166 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:18,900 genetics. All throughout history, the great chronicle is often mentioned giants like 167 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:25,900 Flasivius Joseph. In Hebron, there were till then left the race of giants who had bodies 168 00:15:26,260 --> 00:15:30,660 so large and countenances so entirely different from other men that they were surprising to 169 00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:35,100 the sight and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this 170 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:40,820 very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men. And I'm sorry, Flavius Josephus, 171 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:45,460 this was around 200 AD, but this is an account by a well-respected chronicle, just like 172 00:15:45,460 --> 00:15:51,860 so many others, who, it's like a cop. They're trained in observation. They're making these 173 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:56,580 specific notations and are we supposed to take them at face value or just dismiss them 174 00:15:56,580 --> 00:16:02,180 all as some strange fantasy? This one is particularly interested. Professor Chris Coombs, I've 175 00:16:02,180 --> 00:16:06,480 talked to, he wrote the Giants of Wales and he's talking about, he's weaving together 176 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,400 all these accounts. He's looking at it from a mythological standpoint. I may look at 177 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,320 it from a more specific standpoint when you talk about different giants like the giant 178 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,640 of Gebera, fully nine feet, nine inches in measure and height. And then this one, in 179 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,160 the time of Hadrian the emperor, there was a race from the earth in a place called Messana 180 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,480 in Carthage, the body of the giant called Ida, who was 20 feet in length and who had double 181 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,240 sets of teeth or two rows of teeth still standing completely preserved in his head or in his 182 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,320 gums. I know that's a freak show and it sounds really weird, but this ancient account is 183 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,000 going out of its way to specifically note double rows of teeth associated with giants. 184 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,680 I found that really compelling, so I contacted the professor and talked about that. New York 185 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Times, like you said, you have these accounts right here. The skull was as large as a half-bushel 186 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:01,560 measure and they're talking about a nine foot tall, over nine foot tall individual in a 187 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,120 burial mound. One of the arguments of skeptics is that these are like mastodon remains or 188 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:12,760 dinosaur bones or misidentifications. These are human burial mounds noted with specific 189 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:18,440 Native American artifacts and they're opened and this is what you get for 150 years off 190 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,320 of these wild reports. I'm not going to claim they're all accurate, but they're pretty 191 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:30,080 specific in terms of the time they're trying to convey what they found. A half-bushel measure, 192 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,360 as big as a peck basket, and many times specific measurements. That's nine foot tall right 193 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:41,920 there. That's Robert Walbo and he had a disease condition called pituitary gigantism, but 194 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,200 that is what nine foot tall would look like. Yeah, pretty large. Check this out. The skeleton 195 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,160 measures eight feet from the top of the head to the ankles, the feet being missing. The 196 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,400 skull is large enough to fit as a helmet over the average man's head. The skeleton was one 197 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,200 of several buried in the form of a whale under a mound with the feet toward the hub. Buried like 198 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,200 the spokes of a whale is an obscure Native American burial technique that you see all over the place, 199 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:12,920 even the Aleutian Islands. Oftentimes these are like respected individuals, but whoever is making 200 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,120 up this report, they know this obscure Native American burial technique and then they talk about 201 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,320 in hundreds of these accounts, the jawbone fits over the head or the skull fits over the head 202 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:29,880 like a helmet. So all these people in a time of inefficient communication all independently came 203 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:37,080 up with these same specific measurements and suggestions that they were encountering giant bones. 204 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,600 It's a real compelling argument. They all made it up. These are all hoaxes, every one of them. 205 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:48,040 It doesn't seem logical and reasonable. It keeps going and going. At the Chickasawba Mound in 206 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:54,280 Arkansas, you have this from the Field Museum in Chicago, the famous museum. This is in their notes 207 00:18:54,280 --> 00:19:00,440 and Curtis Little excavated that in 1903 and this is what he found. The skeletons were very large 208 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,920 and tall. One femur bone was on earth that was 29 inches in length. The skulls are extremely large. 209 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,960 The jar is of such size that it would slip over my own and have considerable space to spare. 210 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,600 We have like 150 of those accounts that talk about the jawbone fits over the jar of the 211 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:24,280 largest man in the village. The town is a buzz. It's just amazing the specificity that you find 212 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,160 over and over again. This is the Field Museum, 29 inches is a freak show. You're talking like pushing 213 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,120 nine feet. So that's a specific measurement. Curtis Little, well respected, would have to 214 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:38,120 make that up entirely because he's not dealing with the mastodon bone. So once again, it's 215 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,880 adds the compelling nature of this. Right here, the curator of physical anthropology, 216 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,920 a paleoanthropologist named W.J. Holland at the Carnegie on earth between an eight and nine foot 217 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:54,840 skeleton listed in Scientific American right here. And my friend contacted the Carnegie. They said, 218 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:00,040 I think that there was very little left to it. It's just some bone fragments, unfortunately. 219 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:06,120 But just another well-respected professional verifying an enormous account of a giant skeleton 220 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:11,560 buried in an Edina burial mound. Miami's Berg, where Hugh talked about this a little, 221 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:19,000 but this is another compelling account from 1897. It's laid out in here. It's eight foot, 222 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,720 one and a half inches. Like some of the greatest scientists at the times flocked here and examined 223 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,360 the skeleton. They listed it as one of the greatest giants ever found. And no other than 224 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:32,680 the head of physical anthropology for the Smithsonian examined it and said this, 225 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,880 The authenticity of the skull is beyond doubt. Its antiquity is unquestionably great. To my own 226 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,800 personal knowledge, several such cranium were discovered in the Hopewell group of mounds. 227 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,920 The head of anthropology, the greatest mind, anthropological mind in the country, 228 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,960 is saying this about an eight foot, one and a half inch skeleton found. 229 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,480 You know, there are arguments like, and I've talked to anthropologists with my friends and 230 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:01,560 you have disarticulation. The soft tissues disintegrate, the bones stretch out. Skeletons 231 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,600 can look larger, you know, but when you wire together a skeleton, you just can't screw up 232 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,160 five, seven and eight foot too, you know, it just doesn't happen. I've talked to archaeologists 233 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,880 on the Roanoke show, Brian, a friend of mine now, he said, you know, disarticulation, 234 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,560 I'm not buying it basically, you know, you have accounts like this and it's really worthy of 235 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:27,000 further investigation, I would say. Yes. I like this picture because this chipmunk is like so 236 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:33,640 grateful to get the flower, you know, so yeah. That's a real picture. Yeah, no, I didn't take 237 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:41,880 it but isn't that nice? Yeah, that's lovely. It's wicked awesome. So in 1933, 238 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,960 George Fisher, he's the head archaeologist for the state of Pennsylvania. He unearths what is 239 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:53,720 called 49 giants, you know, very large skeletons, the largest, there's teeth, there's all kinds of 240 00:21:53,720 --> 00:22:00,200 bones there. It's seven foot five. It's a buzz, it's the New York Times, I looked into all 241 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,640 Fisher's records, very interesting account. So this man enters the picture, Donald Kadzo, 242 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,480 and he's working with Fisher, he takes the article, this is six months later, telling the same 243 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,840 story about the bones are being shipped to the Smithsonian, they're going to Harrisburg and then 244 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,240 being shipped to the Smithsonian. Kadzo says the same thing, he's cruising in a van with the seven 245 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:27,800 foot five skeleton. He's from Cambridge, England, very well trained, respected archaeologists at 246 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,360 the time, and it clearly states that he has a seven foot five skeleton that's going to the Smithsonian 247 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:39,080 that was found by Fisher at this site. And you know, once again, this guy is like well respected, 248 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,960 why would he put his career on the line and tell this story, you know, to spin a fable. It just 249 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,320 seems really odd that you have so many of these respected individuals in the 20s and 30s and 40s 250 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,400 saying the same thing. And right here is a very interesting account, Donald Degout, the head of 251 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:02,760 the section of man at the Carnegie in the 50s, in 58, uncovered a seven foot two inch skeleton. 252 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,920 It's not, you know, eight two, but it shows that there were enormous race of, or not race, a royal 253 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,560 class of Native Americans buried in the mound. Now he uncovered this because they destroyed this 254 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,920 mound, he had a chance to do it. He was noted as the last great Adena scholar. There's a skeleton 255 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:26,120 there, measured at seven foot two inches, and in 1952 another University of Kentucky anthropological 256 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:30,440 dig at the Dover Mound uncovered a seven foot skeleton with an unusually thick skull. 257 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Web and snow, University of Kentucky anthropologists unearthed it. You know, it's just telling more of 258 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:42,680 that story of a large royal class of Native Americans, you know. Seven foot and taller, 259 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,000 like he was saying, you know, the Osage Indians warriors, the greatest warriors, is six and a half 260 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,000 to seven feet and taller. Jefferson met with them, and not talking skinny NBA guys, like massive, 261 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:59,480 robust, you know, they called them noble and stately and handsome, like they had some genes 262 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:07,240 that I want. In the show we checked out this account, the Staleville Giant. So it was a 263 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,440 geologist, Brad Dubler, my brother, and right here is the site where an eight foot skeleton was unearthed 264 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,560 in 1933. We have the whole account. It was wired together in Dr. Parker's office. We in fact found 265 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,280 a tooth right here, which was pretty cool, and it was large. All I could think about was when they 266 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,360 found the denisovan tooth, they thought it was a bear cave's tooth because it was so large. They 267 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,280 didn't even think it was human. So we were all freaking out. We went to the coroner. We sent away 268 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,800 for DNA analysis, but it ended up being a bison's tooth. But it was just a kind of cool twist to the 269 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:41,320 story that was right here where the skeleton was unearthed. So we go through the records. We meet 270 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:49,000 Billy Harmon's family who found the skeleton, and everybody in town knew about it. If my 271 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,160 grandfather said it, you could take it to the bank. In the microfilm we found this guy, a Les 272 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Heaton, six foot tall with an eight foot tall skeleton laid out in the hallway of Doc Parker. 273 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:05,880 So we found that in the archives. It was very cool, an eight foot skeleton, and it was shipped to the 274 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:13,080 Smithsonian, noted specifically, packed up. And we'll get into that story and see what that's all 275 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:19,400 about. Another interesting twist and turn in this story is while I dug into these stories, I started 276 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:26,600 to find that the Freemasons of Rosicrucians, other mystics in secret societies, all talk about giants 277 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:33,240 existing in the land of Atlantis. And they look at these accounts as proof that Atlantis existed, 278 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,760 and that that is the place where they got all their esoteric knowledge. And I find it really 279 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,920 compelling that they're all saying the same thing. Like Edgar Cayce in one of his 280 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Translake readings, if you don't know Cayce, he gave 25,000 readings and over 14 million words 281 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,680 over several decades, mostly on health issues for people, helping with their health matters. 282 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:01,720 But he started to talk about, in a trance state, Atlantis and Egypt a lot, and they asked more 283 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,680 questions. And he gave this broad explanation, much like Plato, of what Atlantis was all about. 284 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,200 Very compelling. When asked about the people there, this is what he said, 285 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,360 they took on many sizes as to stature, from that that may be called the midget to the giants, 286 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:20,600 for there were giants in the earth in those days, men as tall as what would be termed today, 287 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,720 10 to 12 feet in stature and well proportioned throughout, which is funny. Well proportioned 288 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,200 throughout shows up in these accounts over and over again. Cayce talked about the mound builders 289 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:36,440 in ancient America 68 specific times. He talked about the migrations from the Mesoamerican 290 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,840 cultures, or that they were practicing human sacrifice, the fact that they wanted to create 291 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,440 a benevolent culture in the United States, and that they were very, very tall. And this is out 292 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,440 of left field from a guy with an eighth grade education and a trance state. And if you read 293 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,720 through his stuff, you know, I'm kind of a real Edgar Cayce fan. And what he also talked about, 294 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,680 one of the origins that some people believe is that in Atlantis giants existed. 295 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,200 Cayce said that the earth and mounds, a lot of the sites like Circleville and Portsmouth here, 296 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:13,560 were representations of the central city of Atlantis. Now this is just like Plato's central 297 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,320 city of Atlantis. It's really compelling and you find them everywhere. And there's ditches and 298 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:24,040 moats and the mound that was the center of Atlantis, the mountain, Mount Olympus. And 299 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,000 archaeologists can't figure out why there's all these moats and other things and what these 300 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,400 geometric forms are all about. It's just a really compelling theory that I tend to lean towards. I 301 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:42,120 really, I don't know. I'm a dense fellow. I can't say that I'm clairvoyant, but I've always had this 302 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,680 in my, you know, I look and sound like the guy you place a bet with, you know, I understand that. 303 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,000 But the reality is I really think there was more to existence than we're taught. And I have a 304 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,800 holographic view of things. And I believe Atlantis was part of the story, you know, 305 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,480 and people give me crap all the time. And I'm like, that's just the way it is. 306 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,240 Rudolf Steiner also said the same thing. And it's odd, they also talk just like Madden Blavatsky 307 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:15,400 about little people. And Ross's friend, Vine Deloria, was a Lakota elder and he was awesome. 308 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,480 He synthesized so much Native American lore that was just like left out there to be lost. And he 309 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,640 was an activist at FAR for Native American rights. He was really cool. And he worked with Ross. They 310 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,280 got together a conference of Native elders from all around the country to speak of the lost 311 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,560 knowledge of the tall ones and little people. He, in fact, said there was almost more ancient lore 312 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,400 about little people than there were about giants. And we have accounts, we stumbled across 313 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,760 graveyards of little people. And even some of the more well-known anthropological digs like 314 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,040 Mountville, Snow, who found the seven-foot giant, in Kentucky found two dwarf 315 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,960 burials side by side. As they were like fared and revered. They were malevolent 316 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,600 beings that the natives fared and then they were wizards who built temples. So it's like 317 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Lord of the Rings, you know. And Rosicrucian science confirmed. Once again, I'm like fascinated 318 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:15,400 that the Rosicrucians aren't the giants. So this is the right here, the giant nearly eight feet 319 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,800 tall. This is the one that was the Smithsonian that I talked about. But Rosicrucian science 320 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,480 confirmed. You know, I'm not making this stuff up. It kind of organically came together. And I'm 321 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,240 just piecing it together and standing back and letting people make up their own mind. 322 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:35,560 Boy, George Washington also in 1754, while building a fort for the Virginia militia, 323 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,560 noted that the skeletons they were uncovering by accident were over seven foot tall. Also, 324 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,040 the Freemasons, same thing. The Bone Cave is a perfect example. 325 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,320 We enter the Bone Cave in episode five. Let me get out of here for a second, please. I'm going 326 00:29:51,320 --> 00:30:04,680 to show you a clip. Hopefully this works. In the meantime, Jim and Bill have decided to 327 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,520 squeeze in one last trip to a location known simply as the Bone Cave. So you've been talking 328 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,600 about this Bone Cave for about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the best stories that you've ever 329 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:20,040 told me. Big time. Jaw bone over the face, giant skulls, different accounts too over 50, 60 years. 330 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,240 Reports from local newspapers in the 19th and early 20th century tell of a deep and winding 331 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:34,040 cavern where torch wielding explorers on several occasions emerge with giant bones. 332 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,360 My first impression of the Bone Cave account was that it was a hoax. It was a tall tale. It's 333 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,400 like an Indiana Jones movie. Three different teams of explorers reported essentially the 334 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,720 same finds. Underground lake and passages going out in every direction. That's crazy. 335 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,640 But what makes the Bone Cave site even more fascinating is that it is right in the middle 336 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:03,880 of the remains of an ancient civilization, widely known as the Mound Builders. Mound Builders were 337 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,680 indigenous American peoples who lived in the middle of the continent from Louisiana to the 338 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:15,960 Great Lakes and built ceremonial earthworks beginning at 3400 BC through the 16th century. 339 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,520 Numbers of enormous skeletons were reportedly discovered inside these ancient mouths. 340 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,000 For that reason, some believe they are the burial places of giants. 341 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:33,160 But where are these giant skeletons? Many remains were repatriated. Possibly returned 342 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,120 to native tribes according to federal repatriation laws. It just seems like it 343 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,400 slipped through the hands of history. Kings and queens, giants buried in burial mounds with 344 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,040 copper crowns and treasures of pearls. It just boggles the imagination of the 345 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,880 unbelievable nature of native civilization. A civilization that has haunted the imagination 346 00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:00,600 of generations of Americans, including this man, commonly held to be the nation's greatest president, 347 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,240 Abraham Lincoln. The core of Lincoln's fascination with the Mound Builders? 348 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:13,160 Giants. In 1848, Abraham Lincoln writes about giants found in the mounds in his Niagara speech. 349 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,600 Lincoln writes, The eyes of that species of extinct giants, whose bones fill the mounds of 350 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:25,960 America, have based on Niagara, as ours do now. At the time, it really seemed that people just 351 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,960 accepted the idea that there were giants buried in burial mounds all around the country. 352 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:38,440 Lincoln even took a little-known steamboat trip in November of 1848. His purpose? A pilgrimage 353 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:45,080 to the great mound sites of the Ohio River Valley. But was Lincoln correct in his belief 354 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,400 that giants were buried in those mounds? 355 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,120 So if you have... 356 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,560 I'd like to keep watching. That was a cool episode. 357 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,960 So we went into the Bone Cave and it was a freak show. There must have been a rockfall. 358 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:08,040 And it wasn't, you know, they gin up a lot of stuff in the show. And a lot of shows are based 359 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,840 on like fake interpersonal conflict and phony danger because they got nothing, no good story to 360 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,360 tell. And we fought against all, you know, but we trust our production team. But, you know, 361 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:22,360 they want drama and, you know, and that's not our style. So this was legit. We went in and 362 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,360 there was a passageway. And my brother's bigger than I. And I swear to God, you had to like 363 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,320 exhale to get through and slide the whole thing. And then you got into this cavernous area and we 364 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,080 were caught, we were like trying to put it in the back of our minds. And at some point, we get the 365 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,160 hell out of here. But we found, basically, we found that the 366 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,560 were two, three teams of explorers who were in there. And in 1872, 1899, in 1950, they all 367 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,560 reported finding giant remains. And the last one, two of the teams were heads of the editors in the 368 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,760 newspaper, the Manchester Democrat and the Manchester Times, wielding torches, going deep 369 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,760 into this cave. And the last account essentially said that there was a giant mummified body that 370 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,420 was left there. And they talk about, you know, like passageways, like the 371 00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:10,380 flooded tunnels. And that's what we said. This is a hoax. It can't be true because it sounds so 372 00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:16,380 fantastic. You know, giant skeletons and everything else. So we got down, we dropped down like 50 373 00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:20,700 feet. I don't know where the bottleneck is here. We got in the vaulted space and then we found the 374 00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:27,420 carved dates of 1872 and 1899 in the torch marks of the explorers. Then we continued on and I got 375 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:30,380 into a flooded tunnel that went like 150 feet. And then we found the 376 00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:36,140 We continued on and I got into a flooded tunnel that went like 150 feet. And it was really, 377 00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:41,900 I had to put on suit for hypothermia. The air was really bad. I went, I didn't have a GoPro and the 378 00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:48,460 cameraman couldn't go underneath because the roof got so narrow. So I went 150 feet. I got to the 379 00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:53,340 end and there was this cavernous thing that opened up and I just couldn't continue. It looked like it 380 00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:57,580 went on and on. The moral of the story is, and the safety guy was freaking out, we had to get the 381 00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:03,020 hell out of there. We want to go back and explore this further. It's an awesome place. But we 382 00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:09,980 verified that these teams of explorers were there. But they all encountered giant skeletal remains 383 00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:14,140 and reported them and pulled some out of the cave. Did they all independent? You know, the newspaper 384 00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:19,020 editor, he's like the guy you trust, right? Like the mayor. Is he going to lie or succession of 385 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:22,860 these people? I'm not saying, you know, I'm not showing you the giant skeleton right now, but I'm 386 00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:27,900 just saying it's a really compelling story. And this one we investigated in the show here, 387 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:33,900 a naturalist named Riggins, he uncovered these in a big shelter cave on the White River, 388 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:39,660 what is it? It was a series of, it was on the White River in Arkansas. So we went down, 389 00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:44,540 there's a New Age magazine also, Rosicrucian publication, his skull is a giant caveman, 390 00:35:44,540 --> 00:35:47,980 almost 10 feet tall. So we were like, yes, let's get to this cave and check it out. 391 00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:53,500 And we went down there, it was underwater. So we dove and we found this massive shelter cave 392 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:58,060 with a professional diver, Mike Young, and there's a 70 foot berm, a wall there that showed 393 00:35:58,060 --> 00:36:02,140 occupation. But obviously there was nothing that could be done at that point, because the Beaver 394 00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:07,420 Dam had flooded the whole valley. But just another cool account, I must say this guy, Victor 395 00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:12,380 Schofelmeyer was a well-known newspaper editor who traveled the country with his wife and was 396 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:19,020 highly respected and reported this. Just another really respected individual reporting something 397 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:25,980 out of the ordinary. This is a full chapter is dedicated to this subject here, one of our favorite 398 00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:34,140 stories of giants. And it starts in 1930 with a mining engineer named J.H. Coker, who unearthed 399 00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:39,420 eight foot skeletal remains in the Yaqui region in Sonora, Mexico. This man joined him, the head of 400 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:45,980 archaeology, Byron Cummings, for the University of Arizona. So Cummings goes down, they encounter 401 00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:50,780 the fierce Yaqui Indians, who they don't take any shit from the American government, the Mexican 402 00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:57,020 government, they're like, they're badass. And they were pissed off that they were down there digging 403 00:36:57,020 --> 00:37:03,180 up this burial mound. So the Yaqui Indians destroy these giant bones, and it's documented by the head 404 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:09,260 of archaeology at the University of Arizona. So then this other man, Paxson Hayes, shows up on the 405 00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:15,100 scene. And he actually lives with the Yaqui Indians for seven years, gets to know them. And they 406 00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:22,060 reveal to him the Lost City of Giants. Sounds like a sci-fi movie, but it's an actual place. So we 407 00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:28,700 found 35 mummies, 34 mummies over seven feet tall. And this is him right here, Paxson Hayes. He's an 408 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:33,340 explorer. Like I said, he lived with the Yaqui Indians. This guy was amazing. He would go for 409 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:41,580 days on backpack with mules to find the lost city. And then for 20 years, there were reports of this 410 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:47,100 giant city that he found. And it almost looks like a fake picture. And we met with his son, 411 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:53,660 and he said that his dad took five images. And this was one of them with flash powder, old style, 412 00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:58,780 because it was so far in. And this is the actual place we found the 34 mummies. And the show we're 413 00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:06,060 trying to get here. And there was such a fierce travel warning that was so dangerous. And 414 00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:13,500 fighting the cartel in a gun battle would have made good TV. But it's not my style. So we got 415 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,500 to wait and try to get back to this place, because it's absolutely fascinating. So these are original 416 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:22,860 press release photos that we got from the 30s, 34, 35. And this is a bundle of one of the seven 417 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:28,380 and a half foot mummies. Right there you see photo, one of the giant mummies, entrance of the cave, 418 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:33,340 this mummy's seven and a half feet tall. And they tell the whole story. A cave 450 miles inland. 419 00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:39,580 There's this massive complex of caverns. And I believe his son, Carlos, knows where it is. So 420 00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:45,580 we'll see about that. There's a giant mummified head that he found. And right here, the Smithsonian 421 00:38:45,580 --> 00:38:51,020 is amazed. Actually, it's not six and a half, seven and a half foot mummies. But he got in an 422 00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:56,540 argument or a disagreement with Roy Chapman Andrews at the Smithsonian, Paxson Hayes did. For some 423 00:38:56,540 --> 00:39:02,620 reason, he didn't believe the findings or they were just not in line with the orthodox science 424 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:08,700 of the time. So we lost his funding. But he continued for 20 years to study this area. 425 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:14,060 And his son said, you know, he said that he wasn't afraid. He continued to the end. He was 426 00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:18,460 the attempted to professionally embarrass him, but he knew what he believed. This guy was like Carlos 427 00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:23,740 Castaneda. This cat was awesome. We were out. We're cruising and my brother says, it's like breaking 428 00:39:23,740 --> 00:39:28,620 bad. It's like off the grid. And we get to this place in like Tucson, like south of it. And we're 429 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:35,340 sitting on the cinder blocks. And this guy's a real deal. He was awesome. So 1950, he has a burial 430 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:39,980 robe. And he brings it to the Tiber on Native Americans that the elders had to figure out, 431 00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:43,740 you know, because even the Sonora people talked about the legends of the giants and the Yaki 432 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:49,580 Indians pointed in the right direction. So it's a compelling story that lasted for 20 years. And 433 00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:54,540 then two years ago, they found 22 skulls in the region. 13 of them were elongated like this, 434 00:39:55,180 --> 00:40:02,220 which is it's turning into a sci fi movie. This is a question everyone asks. And to this, I would say, 435 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:08,620 you know, I have a lot of friends who are anthropologists and archaeologists. I've 436 00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:12,700 worked with two archaeological teams in the shows I've done. And, you know, 437 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:20,540 when I first started this, I felt like I was trying to make the case. No, no, what happened was 438 00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:24,540 I was sharing interesting information. Then I got turned around. I just caught a lot of heat, 439 00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:29,020 like you're out of your minds, you know, really like personal attacks and where I'm from, you know, 440 00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:33,660 somebody's going home in a stretcher. And I was like really, really irritated that people like 441 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:38,620 just personally insulted me. So I moved in a direction where, you know, like I was trying 442 00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:43,020 to defend this, like this is a reality. You have to believe it. And then I stepped back and I said, 443 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:47,100 no, the reality is this is worthy of further investigation. That's the only case I'm going 444 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:53,180 to make. And I encourage everyone to investigate what they love to do. So I've shifted my focus 445 00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:59,180 and I am no longer going to try to, you know, say, oh, this is definitely real. You know, 446 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:05,260 I was equating it incorrectly. And I was believing inaccurately. And I just shifted my position and 447 00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:09,260 said, no, no, that's really what I'm trying to do is just share a really cool story. You know, 448 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:14,460 Smithsonian conspiracy, I can't say they have the secret vault with all the skeletons. I am friendly 449 00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:19,180 with some Smithsonian archaeologists and anthropologists. And Dennis Stanford is the 450 00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:23,820 head of anthropology. And I'm very fond of him. Salutary and theory. He's very open minded. So 451 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:27,340 a hundred years ago, though, there could have been some funky business going on. And this is 452 00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:31,580 what people think when they think Smithsonian. And I don't want to cast aspersions because there are 453 00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:37,580 really good professionals there. I am not I believe with, you know, most of archaeological 454 00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:42,140 and anthropological theory, but there's a many theories that I don't believe with, 455 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:49,260 believe in and agree with. And, you know, we'll talk about them. This is my man Voltaire said it 456 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:57,340 best. This is the guy, the head of physical anthropology, the first head in 1909, Dr. Herlichka. 457 00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:07,500 And he was a zealous racist, pre Nazi eugenist, kind of not a great guy. He's brilliant in his 458 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:10,860 own right. But he's the guy who said giants know more, even though in their own records, 459 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:17,500 they have over 17 accounts of 17 and seven, seven foot and tall skeletons found by their own 460 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:22,620 scientists. And this is kind of nauseating. But this is what he was saying. And he had a, you 461 00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:27,020 know, a cabal of racists that work with him. And this is the kind of sentiment at the time that 462 00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:31,580 African Americans, Native Americans, they were inferior, all this nonsense, and certainly a large 463 00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:36,460 Native American skull was not welcomed in the debate. Oddly, he found one of the illusions with 464 00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:44,860 the cubic capacity of 2005 cubic centimeters, which is really ironic, right? So these in all 465 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:49,340 kinds of accounts, the Smithsonian has shown their scientists to find seven foot and tall skeletons 466 00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:55,260 in their own ethnology reports. This is the one of the most interesting ones. In 1873, this appears, 467 00:42:55,260 --> 00:43:00,460 Perrin reports from the Smithsonian, he found this in a burial mound. The skulls are very large, 468 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:05,260 but fall to pieces on being exposed to the air. One skull was found that measured 36 inches in 469 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:11,660 circumference, circumference, that is like so well out of normal range. By respected, you know, 470 00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:18,140 scientists at the time granted it wasn't five years ago, but 36 inches is very specific and so far 471 00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:23,900 to normal range. It is just outrageous. Seven foot eight skeleton found by Professor Norris in the 472 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:30,300 Smithsonian Ethnology Report, noted in the New York Times, and then two people get together in 473 00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:37,340 the West Virginia Historical Magazine and debate. They talk about Norris finding it seven feet eight, 474 00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:42,220 and then they find a giant axe years later, and they're wondering if that giant axe belonged to 475 00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:48,060 the giant, which opens up another vector here, which is giant tools that were found all over 476 00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:55,820 the place. 33 pound 10 inch axe head, that's pretty hefty. Copper axe is found in the site mound, 32 477 00:43:55,820 --> 00:44:03,340 and 41 pounds. Oftentimes you have these accounts of giant tools being buried with giant native 478 00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:08,380 rulers, really interesting. The thought is or the theory is that they're ceremonial, but a lot of 479 00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:12,780 them show where, and it just doesn't make sense, you know, it's like all around the world. A couple 480 00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:17,500 years ago, Oxford scientists at the lowest level of a basin in South Africa uncovered these, the 481 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:24,860 four largest hand axes called in the world at the time. Worked by hand. They didn't know what to 482 00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:31,100 make of it. They just found them with like 10,000 normal size artifacts in the realm of, I'm sorry, 483 00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:37,660 in the area that we were talking about Heidelberg and it's this strain living, you know. It could 484 00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:42,300 be that all these pieces come together and actually prove the reality of this at some point, that 485 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:48,540 science verifies this. It's crazy how things have happened. The Smithsonian account, this skeleton, 486 00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:53,420 this is for people who love New England stonework. This is a North Carolina mound that was unearthed 487 00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:59,260 and held these beehives here like we see out in the woods. This right here was a skeleton that was 488 00:44:59,260 --> 00:45:03,580 noted to be well over seven foot tall. And then you have many accounts, thighs and skulls sent to the 489 00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:09,020 Smithsonian. This account here, it's called the world's largest skull at the time. It was enormous. 490 00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:14,540 It was verified by or studied by a physical anthropologist, Marcus Goldstein, who said, 491 00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:21,020 here's Goldstein here, that it was an endocrine pathology. It was enormous. It was at the Morehouse 492 00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:27,500 Mound in 1939. I contacted the head of records, there's Duffin the archaeologist, I'm sorry. 493 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:32,860 I talked to the lead archaeologist at the Texas Archaeological Research Lab and they don't have 494 00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:37,580 it anymore. And you know, it wasn't like, oh no, you know, it's the Men in Black got it. He said, 495 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:41,500 we deal with hundreds of thousands of artifacts and curate a lot. And he said that, you know, 496 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:46,220 after the original find, there's just very little evidence of where it went or what happened to it. 497 00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:51,100 But you know, it's really odd that the largest skull in the world at the time isn't around. 498 00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:55,500 And that's the frustration we encounter because I want like this account, I'll show you right here. 499 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:59,980 It's really interesting. So you have multiple, I got like 15 accounts of large seven and eight 500 00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:03,980 foot tall skeletons found. They're all talking about the Maryland Academy of Science who found 501 00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:09,420 several of these. So anyways, Widgeon, the naturalist at the time, found these, 502 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:13,580 widened them together at the Franklin Street office at the Maryland Academy of Sciences, 503 00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:19,900 the oldest scientific institution in the country, founded in 1792. So I contact the head of records, 504 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,980 Linda Jo Nelson, and I say, Linda, you know, can I pay you for your time? Could you go through, 505 00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:29,500 find these accounts? If they're five, seven, if the, you know, somebody had too many martinis 506 00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:34,460 for lunch and couldn't work a tape measure, just tell me what the story is. So she was fascinating. 507 00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:40,620 She was digitizing all the records. Here's the guy, Widgeon, African American, born into slavery. 508 00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:45,020 And he was one of the best or the most highly regarded naturalists in the country at the time 509 00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:49,980 who unearthed these skeletons. And he was still called the janitor. They didn't give him a title, 510 00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:55,340 which is sickening. And she talked about that and the repulsive nature of racism. But she went 511 00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:59,340 through the records and could not find a whiff of the skeletons, no measure of them. They talk 512 00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:05,500 about the present of the institution, why, you know, present while they widened together. 513 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:09,820 She said, this is right where I work. I went through every, everything. I could not find 514 00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:14,220 anything that talked about what happened to them, what the measurements were at nothing. 515 00:47:14,860 --> 00:47:19,180 And she contacted the Smithsonian. They didn't get them. They weren't repatriated. 516 00:47:19,180 --> 00:47:23,260 Just another real frustrating aspect where we're just trying to figure out, well, was it massive 517 00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:27,900 mismeasurement? Was it something else? Was it disease condition, which we don't think so? 518 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:32,860 So it's kind of frustrating. It's the moral of the story. You have these all around the world. 519 00:47:32,860 --> 00:47:38,540 I bring this one up. This was a peer review case in 1590 at the lowest level of Neolithic burial 520 00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:44,300 mound in France. They found these bones and they are bones. They are a femoral mid shaft and other 521 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:53,180 bones that would indicate an 11 foot man. Now, this isn't just one. The thickness and 522 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:59,260 the measurements indicate that. And this is Leponge, the anthropologist. He's well 523 00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:04,220 regarded anthropologist, respected by Madison Grant and even included in top and edge journals. 524 00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:11,020 His atheistic, Darwinian socialist, anti-Semitic eugenic views made his discovery of giant bones 525 00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:16,460 all the more noteworthy. So the guy wasn't too slick on being a good guy, but it was really 526 00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:20,540 noteworthy that he pointed this out. He said that his calculations indicated it was three and a half 527 00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:26,060 meters tall, 11 foot six and a thousand pounds. So just fascinating. And we've been looking at 528 00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:29,100 the University of Montpellier and trying to hunt down these bones. You would figure they, right? 529 00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:36,140 Why wouldn't these still be available? Like again, I'm not saying massive conspiracy, but 530 00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:41,580 ignorance, a lack of care for these really astounding finds. But hopefully we can get 531 00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:45,580 to the bottom of this and have those bones analyzed. That is, it's just a compelling story. 532 00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:49,660 But you have these accounts everywhere, all over Europe. Look at the specific measurements in these 533 00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:55,500 ancient burial mounds. They're just enormous. And you know, bones of giants. This one here, 534 00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:59,980 eight foot seven in a stone sarcophagus over and over again. It makes your head spin. 535 00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:06,780 And this one here, in each case, the heads were of great size with huge jawbones. Now this is in 536 00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:13,260 France. And we showed you the map. It's just an astounding amount of accounts. And it's not just 537 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:17,580 about a royal class of Native Americans. Native Americans actually talked about an ancient enemy 538 00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:22,140 that were giant in stature that their forefathers warred with. There's all this native lore, 539 00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:29,260 all the oral traditions around the planet. They share the same story of giants of law civilizations 540 00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:34,940 and cataclysms. And their reverence and fear of the heavens and their orientations of the 541 00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:40,380 astronomical sites point to a shared mother culture, a shared history all across the planet, 542 00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:47,420 like in Atlantis, if you will. And I'm intrigued by the whole notion because in cultures that had 543 00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:51,100 no communication or were not supposed to have any communication, you hear the same stories 544 00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:57,820 by elders who embed the stories and pass them on to the storytellers word by word, like you said, 545 00:49:57,820 --> 00:50:03,900 that it's absolutely essential for their well-being that they keep these stories intact. 546 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:09,420 It's just astounding. All around the globe at megalithic sites, Balbek, Nand-Madal, 547 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:14,940 you find these accounts right here. American Geographical Society in Captain Coffin shows up 548 00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:21,740 in the SS Nantucket. And they opened the tomb of the giants at Nand-Madal, several human bones of 549 00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:26,780 Gantic size. We covered this in the show. My friend and landlord at the time actually taught 550 00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:31,660 science on Nand-Madal. And he said all his native friends wouldn't go near the site. They thought 551 00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:35,740 a race of giants built it and it levitated the stones. And you're like, oh, those superstition 552 00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:40,140 natives, blah, blah, blah. But that place is astounding. And there are accounts of the 553 00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:44,380 tombs being opened up, historical documents that say that giant bones were pulled out of that. 554 00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:49,740 Very, very compelling. And once again, you and I think that's funny. I don't know why we have 555 00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:55,660 the same slide. Explorers, all the famous explorers you can name, De Soto, Magellan, 556 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:03,580 Drake, Smith, Vespucci, Coronado, all say the same things, that they encountered giant native 557 00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:08,780 chiefs from Virginia to Patagonia. Really astounding. Here's De Soto's private secretary. 558 00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:13,900 They met Tuscaloosa, who ruled the Alabama region. And he was known to be over eight foot tall. 559 00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:19,660 His father was giant, too. Seeing him, we pause, done with amazement. For though but a youth, 560 00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:24,860 he towered on high. A great limb giant, heads of the tallest men reached only to his breast. 561 00:51:24,860 --> 00:51:29,660 They're either saying seven, eight, nine foot, or they specifically talk like the giant on his 562 00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:35,660 knees towered over our men, over and over again. And the conventional theory or the orthodox, 563 00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:39,900 he says that the Spanish were like five, two, and the natives are like five, seven, or five, eight. 564 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:45,580 So that's what accounts for all this. But no, they're specifically noting these dudes are tall 565 00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:50,540 and they say how massive they are and their strength is incredible and they, their glorious 566 00:51:50,540 --> 00:51:56,060 stature, which is kind of an odd thing, but even Jefferson talked about that noble presence and 567 00:51:56,060 --> 00:52:02,380 their chiefs are always, you know, mentioned in this similar fashion. This is really interesting. 568 00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:10,220 The Codex Vaticanum, this is made by Aztecs in the 1500s, I think, but they're battling this 569 00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:16,460 giant. They're putting to death a giant. It's the oddest thing and it's in this codex from 570 00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:23,820 hundreds of years ago. And in the, you know, I'm a recovering Catholic, so I have no, like, 571 00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:28,620 vested interest to prove any religious theories here. I view these as historical documents that 572 00:52:28,620 --> 00:52:34,140 oftentimes have tantalizing clues in them. So right here, the Bible says in 2120, the Gath, 573 00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:40,220 the giant of Gath, I'm sorry, in the battle of Gath, there was an army, there was a man of great 574 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:46,220 stature that had on every hand six fingers and on every foot six toes. So they're talking about 575 00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:51,580 this giant with six fingers and six toes. And oddly enough, you have accounts like this where 576 00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:57,980 Thomas Buckel says, commentaries have collected various instances of men who like this giant, 577 00:52:57,980 --> 00:53:02,300 have six fingers on their hands and six toes on their feet. All around the world, that petroglyph 578 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:08,300 sites and other sites, you find this strange thing, six toes. That's a newspaper rock in Utah. 579 00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:13,260 And then you have the legends of the tall ones, the native people talk about the giants with six 580 00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:22,060 toes. Chaco Canyon, same thing, six toes. Very odd. This guy, look at the feet, six, right? 581 00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:30,540 It's like, Michael Tellinger, Hugh visited this and there's six toes in here. I'm not claiming a 582 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:34,940 giant stepped in the mud 200 million years ago. It could have been made by the native people as a 583 00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:39,980 warning, as a symbolism, as a remembrance, but that is ancient and it's just the wildest thing. I don't 584 00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:44,540 know what to make of it, but it has six toes in there. And there have been anthropological finds 585 00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:50,940 recently that have really kind of very controversial and still debated, like the hobbits on Florescence 586 00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:57,340 Indonesia, I think it was 2002. And they found a group of people that were, nine of them that were 587 00:53:57,340 --> 00:54:02,620 three and a half feet tall. And they don't know if it's what it is, basically, you know, what to make 588 00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:08,140 of it. But there were different theories. The more of the story is that they are hobbit-like beings 589 00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:13,180 that lived from a hundred thousand to thirteen thousand years ago on this tiny island where the 590 00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:19,180 native people had a myth about the Ibu Gogo, the little people, just like natives all around the 591 00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:23,660 indigenous people around the planet. And it turned out to be true that there were these little 592 00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:29,260 people that existed until like 12,000 years ago. So the aim of public education is not to spread 593 00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:34,300 enlightenment at all. It's simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same self 594 00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:40,060 safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, and to put down dissent and originality. I really agree 595 00:54:40,060 --> 00:54:47,660 with that. You know, I promised Lion is my cat that I'd get him in here too. So here he is. 596 00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:52,780 And he's modeling like he's a stuffed animal, but he you could tell he's real. 597 00:54:54,060 --> 00:55:00,300 Yes, Lion is a good cat. He is a giant. You know, and that's a point I'm trying to convey, 598 00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:03,980 and Hugh's trying to convey, is just like, you know, to think outside the box that there's 599 00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:08,300 something seriously wrong with the planet. We all know it. That's why places like this exist. 600 00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:12,700 Just to have a different view on reality, to create a space of sanity where you accept 601 00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:16,700 everybody's opinion and viewpoint. You may not agree with them, but you know, just to 602 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:22,220 you know, just to think differently. And the shows we make, we make them for kids to enjoy them. 603 00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:28,300 We make them to open people's minds to new ideas, to be interesting, hopefully. And I just, 604 00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:33,100 you know, I feel blessed to be able to do this. I just fell into it organically. It's like I was 605 00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:39,500 destined to be this dude that I am. It's kind of crazy. But you know, I try to take it seriously 606 00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:45,020 in the way that to have respect for all people and let them have their viewpoints and to try 607 00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:49,100 to convey that there's a different nature to reality than we think. Well, you guys probably 608 00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:52,700 think the same thing actually than most people think. You know, like a holographic reality. 609 00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:56,860 And do we obfuscate the truth from ourselves collectively? You know, we all share one 610 00:55:56,860 --> 00:56:03,500 holographic brain. It's like we're a species with amnesia from an ancient cataclysm in this latest 611 00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:07,980 incarnation of humanity. And do we obfuscate the truth from ourselves? It looks like the story. 612 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:12,300 At every turn, something's happening that's really strange. And that happens many times. 613 00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:17,900 And you know, if we chose ourselves, would we have war and chaos and greed on the planet? No, 614 00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:23,660 I really think that that's not humans are made up. But there is a distortion and misperception. 615 00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:28,620 And we can't just turn our backs on all humanity and just say, that's their problem. That guy's 616 00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:33,580 an idiot. That, you know, it's more like these are all our mistakes to correct. And this is a great 617 00:56:33,580 --> 00:56:38,700 example of places wonderful here that you don't spend your time battling a paradigm that's failing 618 00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:43,180 and doesn't work. You create a new model and blueprint for the way the world should work. 619 00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:47,580 And I do that myself by like, like I said, building stone towers and cleaning the woods and 620 00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:53,260 volunteering and just trying to make a better world. And that's what matters. And you know, 621 00:56:53,260 --> 00:56:58,300 with people like you, if we can keep doing that, we create a blueprint. If I talk to you like some 622 00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:04,780 conspiracy nut and cornered you for three hours, how would that change anything? If I try to convey 623 00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:08,780 what we're all trying to do here, that that's how you make change in the world. And you change 624 00:57:08,780 --> 00:57:13,020 the holographic reality and create a better reality, like Edgar Cayce would say. So that's 625 00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:18,300 kind of the message. My subversive message is to try to spread that, you know, to people so they 626 00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:23,100 get it that, you know, we're all connected. You can't just like, point out the people you don't 627 00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:27,500 like and be victimized by them. It's unfortunate. In other lifetimes, we've all made poor choices. 628 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:32,780 We can't like, banish everybody because they've made lousy choices. We all have. We all have in 629 00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:39,660 this life, too. So I really admire everything that's going on there. Really thankful that 630 00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:49,820 you guys have invited us. And thumbs up to this place.