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Well, it doesn't take us to tell you what a landmark occasion this actually is and what

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the amazing implications of the whole Greenstone story still are.

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So thanks to Andy and Graham, and of course Debbie, in total keeping with the whole Greenstone

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vibe, this talk could well be entitled, you couldn't make it up.

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But believe us, we didn't make it up and disturbingly, it's only too real.

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It's the ultimate cautionary tale of psychic questioning in a way, but without checks

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and balances.

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Using information derived from apparent psychic sources and paranormal, including physical

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phenomena, it's about events that happened over the course of decades, beginning in

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the 1950s.

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But first let's introduce some key people to the story.

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That's Alice Bailey, the most of you will have heard of.

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She was a channeler who virtually created, invented the new age movement.

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Between 1919 and her death in 1949, she produced many books of channelings from her master

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that he met in master, her spirit guide.

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Many of these teachings were appallingly racist and antisemitic, even by the standards

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For example, her spirit master that he better not approved of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima

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and Nagasaki, because he claimed this was a process of helping the yellow route race out

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of the world because their time was done to make way for elders.

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So that's all right then.

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According to Alice Bailey, or rather that he better, the star serious has a great importance.

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Influence on Earth.

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She also taught that free masonry was the terrestrial version of an extraterrestrial

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initiatory school that exists actually on serious and that free masonry was originally

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founded by beings from serious.

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significantly her husband Foster Foster Bailey was a prominent American free mason,

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who introduced her ideas including the ones about serious into the American brotherhood.

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So she was influencing free masonry and free masonry was influencing her in a enduller circle,

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Next slide please.

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Now this guy needs no introduction, surely here, Edgar Casey.

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He is now famous for psychic readings about the ancient past and the history of the human

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race.

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Most famously how the great pyramid and the sinks were made by survivors from Atlantis

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around the 10,500 BC and his prophecies about the future, especially the one about

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a hall of records containing the secrets of Atlantis that supposedly lies beneath the

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sinks at Giza.

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Casey said this would be discovered in 1998.

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The first thing that was happening in the world was the world of the world, which

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was the world of the world, which most people understood to mean the second coming of

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Christ and the emergence of a new root race.

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But there is an important part that is rarely quoted.

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Yes, thanks.

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What I actually said was that with the changes that will be brought to Americanism,

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the universal thought that is expressed and manifested in the brotherhood of man

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as in the Masonic order will be the eventual rule in the settlement of affairs in the

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So America will rule the world, hurrah.

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And so will free-masonry hurrah.

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Obviously that would appeal to American free-masons.

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ideas about the significance of the pyramid for the USA.

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This guy Henry Wallace, he was vice president to Roosevelt's cabinet in Roosevelt's

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second term, and nearly himself becoming president, though losing out in the end to Harry

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Wallace was deeply interested in esoteric and mystical ideas, being of the ausophist and

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a disciple of the Mystic Nicholas Rourke.

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He was also, and you probably ahead of me, here, a committed remason.

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And this is another element that you couldn't make it up.

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It was Wallace who was responsible for putting this, the iron pyramid symbol on the

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dollar bill is actually the reverse side of the great seal of the United States, which

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although there's controversy about it, but many people believe to be a Masonic symbol.

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And this is what Wallace said of the symbol.

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It will take a more definite recognition of the grand architect of the universe before

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the apex stone is finally fitted in place.

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And this nation, in the full strength of its power, is in a position to assume leadership

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among the nations in inaugurating the new order of the ages.

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So like Casey, Wallace linked to future event involving the great pyramid, the replacing

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of the capstone with a the American world domination and b, free masonry on the two in their

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minds, obviously going up together like that.

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In the late 1940s and early 50s, after losing the vice presidency, Wallace funded an

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interesting setup in the state of Maine called the round table foundation.

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I should really say partly funded it, but I'll come back to that in a bit.

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The round table foundation was set up to conduct research into parapsychology and was the

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idea of this man, a medical doctor named Andre Puharic.

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Trust me, I'm a doctor.

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I don't think so in this case.

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The round table foundation did lab research into ESP and also brought in some of the most

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famous psychics of the time, including the Irish medium, island garot and the Dutch

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Clevver and Peter Herkoss for study.

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However, although it was a scientific lab, it was as Puharic himself acknowledged,

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very much based and oriented towards the teachings of Alice Bailey.

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The foundation was amazingly well connected socially and the absolute top of American society.

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Bovri, who was a member of the grand astrophamely.

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Another very key figure was the inventor and philosopher Arthur Young, who was essentially the

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inventor of the Bell helicopter and all that vast fortune that he made from that, he

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plowed back into pursuing his spiritual philosophies.

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involved in the foundation quite significantly.

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And there are two ways of telling the next part of the story.

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The first which I am now going to tell you is the official version.

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In late 1952, the foundation was working with an Indian mystic called Dr. Vinod, who channeled

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two entities, who claimed to be representatives of the nine or the nine principles of God.

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Significantly, the two entities called themselves simply R and M.

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they were also with the masters R and M, so it's another Alice Bailey connection.

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The term nine principles has a particular significance in terms of the series of

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one Shwala De Lubeich, a 1930s Egyptologist and guru, who has had great influence on the likes

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of Graham Hancock and Robert Boval.

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As you all know, the ancient Egyptian religion of Heliopolis, the one that inspired the

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Giza Pyramids, centered on a group of nine gods or the great anyard,

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headed by the creator God Atum and the other eight, which includes the familiar

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diities such as ISIS and Asiris, are essentially aspects of Atum.

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translate it as principle. So these entities describing themselves as M. Isseris of the nine principles,

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seem to be a specific reference not only to the anyard, the nine gods of Heliopolis,

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but also to Shwala De Lubeich's own works, which had only recently been published.

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and possibly, probably actually Henry Wallace, then met regularly to hear the nine's wisdom

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through Dr. V. Nod, although there are sadly few available records of what went on.

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and also established an international representation as a paraciteologist, or as I written it here,

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Paracite Cologit, which is actually more to the point.

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Most famously, he studied the Brazilian psychic surgeon, Arigot.

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But all of that was to pale into insignificance in 1971, when Puharic was the first person

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to take Urigala. In fact, he went to Israel specifically to get Gela and take him to the states

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for evaluation at the California Research Institute, SRI International.

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Pretty much as soon as Puharic meturly, he hypnotized him. This is what Puharic always did.

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He hypnotized him to try to find out where his abilities came from.

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In trance, Gela started to channel spectra, which claimed to be a conscious computer aboard a spaceship.

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However, Puharic for some reason suggested there might be a connection to the nine principles

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and spectra said, oh, yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it.

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Saying that, oh, yes, it's the nine who programmed Gela with his powers as a small child.

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Through Gela, the nine alerted Puharic to his life's mission, which was to use Gela's

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talents to alert the world to an immediate mass-landing of spaceships and bringing representatives of the

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nine and bringing about a global transformation.

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Well, if that was, if you are actually life's work almost immediately, it was to fall apart

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because Gela became an international superstar in 1973 and basically went out of the whole nine

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situation. Puharic had to find other channels, non-affirm lasted very long, until he settled on

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American medium, Phyllis Schlemmer. Her spirit guide was called Tom, and she'd always assumed that

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Tom had been the spirit of her grandfather. However, after Puharic hit Natalya's death, suddenly,

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Tom has brought guide and now has been an extraterrestrial all along and was, of course, an

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emissary of the nine. So there's a big pattern here. Puharic would meet people who are already

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cling to be in contact with some kind of disconoct entity. He would hypnotize them and suggest

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that their entity was in fact a messenger for the nine and they go, yeah, of course. Why do we

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think of that before? Absolutely, spot on. And there are several other examples of him doing this.

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So, was Puharic stage managing all of this? Well, Schlemmer wasn't the nine zone

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in the channel. There was a network of psychics involved, but she was the main one, which they

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called, rather grandly, that they're transceiver. Anyway, history repeated itself.

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Puharic set up an establishment called Lab 9 in New York, sorry, in Austin, Austin, New York

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State, and gathered a group of disciples, essentially, to hear what Tom had to say through

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Philly Schlemmer. The entities now calling themselves the council of nine. Again, the group

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that met was a very impressive bunch, socially speaking. They included multi-millionaire businessmen.

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For example, members of Canada's richest family, the Brahmsmans, European nobility,

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leading new age and alternative writers such as Lyle Watson. Scientists from SRI International,

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and at least one prominent political figure, who was a personal friend of the then-president

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Gerald Ford. Another member was, this guy, Jean Roddenbury, creator, of course, of Star Trek.

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Another key player in Lab 9 was Dr. James J. Hurtack, who then nine appointed Puharic Seconding

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Command, and also a spiritual leader of the group. In fact, Hurtack claims to have been in

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independent contact with the nine since 1973, when he claims they programmed him with mystical awareness

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and incredible knowledge of the cosmos. And he put all this in a strange tone, a best seller,

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actually. It looks, it's deliberately made to look like a Bible. It calls it the keys of the

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key knock or the book of knowledge. In fact, it's essentially an update of Alice Bailey's ideas.

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During the channeling sessions at Lab 9, Tom, in answer to a question by Jean Roddenbury,

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finally revealed his true identity, and that of the nine themselves, Dr. Um Rowe.

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Tom claimed he was actually at him. They created a god of the ancient Egyptian religion of Heliopolis,

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and the nine were none other than the great ennured than nine gods of ancient Egypt.

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However, as we've seen, there were clues about this from the start, such as the use of

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Schwalla de Lubitches term nine principles, and certainly signs that Puharic had known about this

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all along. So again, what was the nine's message via their various channels? Well, they say,

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their advanced extraterrestrial beings from Syria, of course, who created the human species

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and had a profound influence of the on the origins of human civilization in particular that of

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Egypt. They have a special association with Diza. According to Tom, there is secret chambers

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under the guise of pyramids that can be accessed from beneath the sphinx. The nine have watched over

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humanity ever since, claiming to be behind all the world's religions except one, which will come to.

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very apocalyptic background of a cosmic war between the forces of light and darkness.

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But even with such impressive contacts, terrestrial and extra terrestrial, things didn't go

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brilliantly for Puharic. Like, love nine broke up in 1978, after a series of mysterious events,

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including Arson, and he ended up fleeing, he said, from CIA threats, and basically he doesn't

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seem to have played any further part in the nine story between then and his death in 1995.

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But of course, the nine story did not end with Puharic. Fili Schlemmer continued

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shunling them until her death six years ago. And to 1992, based on the channelings, the only planet

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of choice became a new age best seller. And James Hurtack went on to bigger and better things,

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traveling the world, giving workshops on his own inspired revelations, the keys of Enoch,

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and he's still doing it. And the nine, or rather those who claim to represent them,

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still have a hotline to the top level of American society and the political establishment.

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Individuals connecting with the nine circle even have some influence over Al Gore when he was

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vice president. But as a concept, I mean how Saudi exciting can you get? The gods of ancient Egypt,

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our creators and protectors allegedly re-establishing contact, bringing revelations about our origins

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and more importantly our destiny. Wow! That's what we thought when we first began investigating

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this story, taking it apart and putting it back together again, but... Clive. Yes, thank you. Well,

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the story, Lynch just told you, is the story as it was presented to the public through Puharic's

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books and works such as the only planet for choice, which is the story as the nine or their

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human kind of representatives wanted it to be told. And it was seem a very exciting one, as

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an insid. But those of you that know our books and the way then I work, we take a very kind of

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emperors new clothes attitude or approach to things. We'd like to look what goes on behind a story,

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particularly at the parts that weren't being told. And when we looked into it, what we found

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put quite a different light on these events. Now the central figure in all this drama,

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for most of its time, the one that kicked it all off anyway, certainly was Andrea Puharic.

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And the thing that promoters of the Council of Nine Message don't make much of is that throughout

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his career, Puharic had very close links with the US military and intelligence community.

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He was actually trained as a doctor under an army program, but then he was given a medical discharge

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in 1947, and that's when he set up the roundtable foundation. But the evidence is actually quite

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clear that this medical discharge was actually a cover story to allow him to set up an apparently

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civilian research institution so that he could study mediums and psychics who wouldn't have

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been comfortable going into a military laboratory for obvious reasons. And research hours and that

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of others has established that in addition to the private sponsorship by the likes of the

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Knights of Henry Wallace, the roundtable foundation was funded by the US Army, the land and buildings

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that it worked out of were donated to Puharic by the Navy. And even in his own account of events

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at the foundation, Puharic refers to visits by high ranking army officers specifically from the

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armist psychological warfare department. And then at the very time these first contacts with the

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nine were happening. Puharic was redrafted into the army. What happened was this? About a month

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before the what we might call the first contact with the nine through this doctor v-nod. Puharic

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went to the Pentagon to deliver a paper. The paper was entitled an evaluation of the possible

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usefulness of extra sensory perception in psychological warfare. But anyway, the very next day after

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delivering that paper, an order was signed redrafting him into the army with the rank of captain.

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So the question is what happened to that medical discharge of 1947 going? And then for the

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next three years, and this is in power level with that kind of first wave of nine channelings.

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Puharic served at the US Army's chemical weapon center in Maryland, continuing his work

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at the roundtable foundation during his leave. While he was away after young, took over running

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the foundation and took over running the nine channeling sessions. So what was Puharic doing for the army?

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Well, this is one of these you can't make it up moment. The chemical weapons center,

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where Puharic was stationed wasn't only about chemical and biological warfare, but was also

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research into it. But was also the army's main facility for psychological warfare. That's what

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Puharic worked on. Specifically, he was experimenting with, among other things, the effects of LSD,

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and the hallucinogenic plants and fungi used by Mexican and shaman. And that was part of the joint

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project being run by the US up. Hello? Yeah. That wasn't the fire around,

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they usually go off in the middle of our talks. It's always happened. It's happened before.

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Yes, there was, yes, he was experiment with SD and shamanic hallucinogenic. Part of a joint project

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between US Army and the CIA. And that project was part of the CIA's notorious MKUltra program,

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which I think most people are now familiar with. Well, usually referred to as the CIA's mind-controlled

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project, but it encumbers all kinds of other psychological and behavioral research. And that's

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what Puharic has working on. At this very time, it's documented. It's not sort of speculation here.

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Of course, it puts rather different complexion on the nine contacts that Puharic was running

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at the same time at the roundtable foundation. As well as drugs and hypnosis, Puharic also experimented

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with techniques for beaming radio signals either directly into a person's brain or into

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tiny receivers implanted in a person's head. For example, he developed a miniature radio that could

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fit inside a force tooth. And when you look at it, everything Puharic did with drugs, hypnosis,

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and technology was experimented with different ways of getting people to hear voices.

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Now, his connections with the intelligence community continued after the 1950s, after he left

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the army after he disbanded the roundtable foundation. He was involved in the ESP research,

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which included remote viewing, which I'm sure everyone here knows about. That was carried out

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at S.I. International, and which people's later revealed was initiated and funded by the CIA.

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And when we interviewed Urie Gala for our book, he said it was actually the CIA that sent Puharic to

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Israel to evaluate him and then bring him back to S.I.I. for testing. Since the Stargate conspiracy

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came out, we've also discovered that Puharic worked for a top secret power psychology unit of

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British intelligence in the mid-1970s. We actually knew and worked with somebody that was part of

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that team and worked with Puharic on it. But back to this S.I. International, who crop up a game and

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again in this story, sometimes in very unexpected places. S.I. as a scientific research organization

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came out of Stanford University, but became a private company. And for me, it's establishment

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in the late 1960s has always been a major contractor to the US defense and intelligence community,

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as well as other government departments. S.I. was of course very active in explorations at Giza

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in Egypt in the 1970s, 80s and 90s, particularly looking for hidden chambers either under the

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pyramids or within the pyramids or under the sinks. But S.I.I. was also involved in the social sciences

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and one study that was commissioned by the US government to do in the early 1970s is we think

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particularly significant. Now what had happened is that the government had become concerned

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by all the social changes that had happened in America and in the West during the 1960s.

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What they called the new values, it's the whole hippy thing, whole counterculture thing,

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self-realization movement, civil rights, environmental awareness, all of which challenged the traditional

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ways, the traditional order and especially the traditional notions of authority.

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The government wanted to know what had happened and what they could do about it to be established

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the old order and they commissioned S.I. to look into it. S.I. delivered their report in 1973

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and they concluded that these new values, these changes were both unstoppable and irreversible.

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back to how they were in the 50s, the S.I. reported that the traditional authorities

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rather than trying to do that should actually try and take control of these new values,

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these new trends and the report looked at various ways that this could be done and they identified

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one particular set of symbols that they thought could be used to do this.

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which played such a significant role in the birth of the United States of America,

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attested to by the symbolism of the great seal on the back of the dollar bill.

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And they thought this has the potentiality of reactivating the American symbols.

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This is from a defense department funded think tank, you can't really make this up, you know.

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But I think we can see a theme here. Theme emerging here, going straight back to what Henry

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Wallace said when he would be responsible for putting the pyramid on the triangle symbol on the dollar bill

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and back to Edgar Kase's prophecies in the 1930s.

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In fact one of the authors of the report will is Harman, he was also involved in S.I. study of Uriegala.

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In another book he wrote three years later, not only advocated, again, the symbols and principles of

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free-masonry as he said, the only ones that could unite Americans.

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And specifically related it to the imagery of the floating capstone of the pyramid on the dollar bill.

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But he said that the capstone symbolized the fact that in his words the nation will flourish,

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only as its leaders are guided by super-conscious intuition or divine insight.

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Basically meaning that the leaders of the American nation should either channel or listen to channels.

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So it's another kind of, if you couldn't make this up.

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There was another you can't make it up moment, the big one, how to research the council of nine.

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And something when we came across it we just cannot put this in the book.

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Because we're aiming this at quite a mainstream audience and I think a lot of leaders are just

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going to give up when they get to this bit. And in fact it's the first time we were going to put it in the talk today.

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So we've got the eye on the pyramid, we've got three masonry, we've got mk ultra, what else do we need?

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Well, this next bit involves Arthur Young, people who are actually second in command at the

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roundtable foundation and his wife Ruth, who as Lynn said, were both present on the first contact with the

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nine and throughout the nine channeling sessions in the 1950s. Ruth Young had been married before

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Shimabid Arthur Young. She had a son by that first marriage whose name's Michael Payne.

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Michael Payne, Ruth Young's son, Arthur Young's stepson, was the person who got the

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harvios who would be dropping the Texas Book Deposit tree.

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Ah, you see, what we came across that because we cannot put in the book. It sounds like we're saying

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the council of nine assessing into JFK, which is, they a lot of people throw the book away at that point.

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Anyway, passing swiftly on, Arthur Young was behind something else, not to use behind JFK assassination,

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and he was just behind something. Of great significance to what we might call the alternative history community.

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After the roundtable foundation was closed down, he set up his own, called the foundation for

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the study of consciousness, which was based in Philadelphia. And in the mid 1960s young became

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mental to a young student named Robert Temple, who we appointed at the age of 21 as Secretary

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of his foundation. Robert Temple would be known to everyone here, I'm sure, as the author of the

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classic 1976 book, The Serious Mystery, which was in many ways the book that kind of started it

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or started the whole sort of, in a like alternative history movement. Those that you have read it,

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we'll know that it begins with the do-gom people of West Africa. And the mystery of their

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apparently advanced information about the star serious, and in the book, Temple makes the case

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that human civilization, particularly of that of Egypt, was greatly influenced by beings from a

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planet in the serial system who visited Earth in the ancient past. Well, it was actually

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Arthur Young, who inspired Temple to write the serious mystery. It was Arthur Young who first told

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Temple about the do-gom and Bear Serious Law. It was Young who encouraged Temple to write the book,

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for example, by providing him with a translation of the major French study of Do-gom religion.

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So we wanted Temple to write this book, but according to Robert Temple, Young said,

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don't bring my name into it. But so we have Arthur Young to thank for the serious mystery.

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A book that seemed to provide independent and academic support for Alice Bader's channel teachings

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about the influence of being from serious on human civilization. But then Arthur Young is a follower of Alice

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Bader's. So maybe it's not such a coincidence that Temple's book seemed to back her ideas up.

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And I have to say, as we detail in our book, there were many basic errors and flaws in the

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serious mystery. They actually seriously undermine Egypt's Egypt connection. Not necessarily in the

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mystery of the Do-gom's knowledge of the serious, but this sort of thing to try and connect it with

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Egypt as much as possible. Interestingly, in his 1998 updated edition of the serious mystery,

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Robert Temple tells us how, after that first edition came out, he was approached by some

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high ranking members of American pre-masonry, who told him his discoveries about serious related

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to their highest secrets, the highest secret, had recently. But again, it's that totally unexpected

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because as Lynn said at the start, Alice Bader's teachings about serious, it's a kind of filter

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into American pre-masonry through her husband sort of 50 years before the serious mystery came out.

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But it's surprising how much in the alternative history field can be traced back to the people

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that were part of that group around the nine. James Hertech became a major player in events in the

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search for hidden chambers of geese, particularly beneath the Sphinx, from the mid 1970s to the

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90s and beyond. In the 1970s, Hertech worked with a team from SRI International in a project

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party funded by the Casey Foundation. Hertech's ideas came to influence writers such as Graham

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Hancock and Bobo Val, the off-ide in reference and quoted in their books as an authority

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without any mention that he claims to have a hotline to the gods of Egypt. Hertech was also a

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key figure in what appeared to be another part of the unfolding story of human origins that

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would be popular in the 80s and 90s. This one sent it on the face on Mars, if you'll remember that

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saga, that the face and supposed monuments of Mars. This apparent face was photographed by

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a NASA space probe in 1976, within months Hertech was lecturing about it, not only claiming

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it was an artificial structure, but also describing it as a Sphinx and already at that time

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declaring that it was linked to the geese monuments. And again, this was at the same time

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his puharch, his second in command at Lab9 and Lab9's spiritual leader. And many people connected

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with the Council of Limerke players and that whole saga of the face on Mars. Main advocate of that

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face and monuments of Mars and the end their connection with Ancient Egypt in the 80s and 90s

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was a guy called Richard Hogan. In 1983 set up something called the Independent Mars Mission to study

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and analyze the images. Hogan was another person who acknowledged his debt to the influence of

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Arthur Young. The Independent Mars Mission was founded after a meeting between Hogan and S.I.I.

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international that was broken by Arthur Young's foundation. And as of his old S.I. funded Hogan's research,

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which involved one of S.I.I. physicists who also worked with James Hertech Pekke's during the 1970s.

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The Director of Operations of Hogan's Mission, a guy called David Myers, not only part of that

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nine circle, but was one of the nine channels. And the point about the work on Mars,

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for that matter, hertech's work on Mars, not so much about they being monuments on Mars

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built millennia ago and they were related in some way to Ancient Egypt, but that the civilization

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that built those monuments was about to return. Hanghawk and Boe Valley of course followed this path

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with their book The Mars Mystery in 1998, again linking Mars to Geese, a sighting Hertech's

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theories, and again saying it was all building up to some horrendous event that was about to happen.

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Robert Tempulbaut out a new edition of the serious mystery in which he linked out a theory of

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the visitation by being some serious, both the Hanghawk and Boe Valley's work, and to the face on Mars.

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And now saying something that wasn't part of his original book in 1976, that the beings from

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serious were about to return. So all these things were being woven together in years leading up to

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the millennium, even alien abductions became part of the mix. Which is Streiber, the person who popularised

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the abduction for Norman and in his 1980s, seven book Communion had a couple of years before

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worked with Oakland on his Mars Research. And actually Streiber funded some of the image analysis

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work on the face on Mars. This was before Streiber recovered the memories of his abductions

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that led him to write Communion. In fact, Streiber has said that it was being shown a photo of

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the face on Mars. Was the trigger for releasing those suppressed memories of his abductions?

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Now in a later book called The Secret School, came out in 1997, which was a book that dealt with

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some more recovered memories of his abductions as a child. Streiber wrote that he'd been shown the

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face on Mars by his abductors when he was nine years old. And in that book, Streiber linked

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this with his experiences with Hankoc on Boeville's theories about the pyramids of Egypt,

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Graham Hankoc endorsed Streiber's book. And Streiber also said this was all heading towards

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some great apocalyptic world-changing events in the near future. So, all as the millennium approached,

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all these strands were being drawn together more and more tightly. Given all the connections I

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out owned earlier, and out on very briefly there was a lot more I could have said.

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Particularly for how it just connections with the CIA and the US Army and everything,

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it would be easy to dismiss the whole nine thing as some kind of hoax or experiment by Puharic

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by the CIA. But it's important to realise that genuine psychic and paranormal events

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that were witnessed or even experienced by independent witnesses occurred in connection with the

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nine group. It's also clear that Puharic himself genuinely believed in the reality of discarmant

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non-human intelligence is and believed it was possible to communicate with them. He studied

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shamanism, for example. He actually qualified as a Hawaiian Kahuna. So, it's not really a kind of

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hoax or experiment, but seems a bit of both. Puharic was both staging the events and manipulating

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but actually as a way of trying to make genuine contact with entities he believed existed.

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So, in many of the human beings' aspects, these events are very much like psychic

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questing. Indeed, it was psychic questing. But there were some big differences between what the

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nine group were doing and what Andy and Graham do. Andy and Graham tend to use the psychic

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information as a historical trail to find things out. Whereas the nine group were using psychic

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information trying to fit it into a preconceived agenda. Almost if they're trying to get

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the entities whatever they are to say what they want them to say, well, they'll be led by

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the information they're given. And most significantly, they were using it to try to convince people

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that all this was immense, immense relevance to us today that something apocalyptic and world

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changing was it was all building up to this. And first of all, saying the 1950s and 60s,

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it seems they were trying to get that message and influence. It was reserved really for the

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move as in shakers of society, politicians, business leaders, free-macens, in America.

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From the 1970s after the publication of that SLI report, it then seemed to be geared more towards

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this new age market. But then as the years ticked away to the millennium, it seemed to have

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got mainstream with people reading, you know, pan-cocken, bovals, books and all this kind of thing.

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And all these books were giving the impression that apparently independent discoveries and

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lines of research were beginning to connect up and were forming one big consistent picture,

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one that appeared to support the channel messages of the council of a nine.

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But then an I knew that they weren't independent, then he appeared to be, and that they could all

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be traced back to people who were part of the circles around the council of nine,

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who were deliberately pushing these things to make it appear that they supported the nine's message.

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And the ultimate message was the imminent return of the great gods of ancient Egypt.

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So that's when we decided to book and now hand back to Lynn.

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But we didn't know of course that something was going on and something that we just

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weren't being told about. It really all comes down to whether the nine were what they

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claimed to be the gods of ancient Egypt. Well sadly, it doesn't really look like they were.

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I mean, they're knowledge of ancient Egypt seem to derive more from the works of Alice Bailey

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Edgar Casey and Schwalda de Loubich than persons experience of being the gods of ancient Egypt.

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And they also made some very basic errors. They're absolutely classic howler, and there is one,

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it's amazing. Concerns the term arc uur, which they claimed was a term for the sinks.

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Actually, it doesn't. And it came from an error made by Robert Temple in the Sirius

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Mystery, resulting from his misreading of Wallace Bunch's dictionary of him, and how he

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re-glyphics. Yes, true, the words sinks in what Wallace Bunch's dictionary does indeed appear

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against arc uur. But it doesn't mean it's the definition of arc uur. It refers to the name of a source,

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a magazine called the sinks arc uur. And it was, it was misread.

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And so you have the gods of ancient Egypt, basically, coming out with a complete utter howler.

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Arca, it means things. No, it doesn't actually.

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And if they, I mean, but there is a problem here. I mean, even if the gods were the nine were, who they

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came to be, there's some very disconcerting things that they are apparently coming out with.

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So, you know, underlying all of this is a searing doubt, which is even if they are, who they

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claim to be, should we be actually listening to them anyway, perhaps without grown them?

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I mean, although their channeled message is ostensibly love and light, it does have some very

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disturbing undercurrents. Much of it is very America centered. The USA is somehow air to the power

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of Atlantis, which obviously sits perfectly with Casey and what is Henry Wallace's beliefs

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about the coming of an American age, which objectively was kind of true, because like the 20th

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century was, could have been called the American century. But much more disturbing thing, according

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to Tom or Atom, the different races of the world were seated from advanced E.T. civilisations,

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except for one, the Black Race, indigenous to the Earth, and the only one that evolved here,

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all the other races are part space god, but not Black people A. They serve simply as a control

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for all the others apparently, in the great, god-e experiment, they're not space god's like the

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rest of us, and we are not the only people to a foundness incredibly uncomfortable. It really is

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racism through the back door, and as I said, if it's the god's who said it, then we take no

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notice of them, don't we turn our backs on them, but there's also something else that is very worrying,

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as it is distinctly anti-Islamic thing, as I said earlier, you know, that the god to say that

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basically they're behind only religions of the XXI, and I think we know which one that is.

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Tom declared that the religion of Islam is that of the fallen one, the head of the cosmic forces

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of darkness, and her tax keys of Enoch also labels Muslims, the children of darkness,

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it's all very worrying, particularly in today's world. There was, it was all the worse, really,

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because from the late 1970s there wasn't orchestrated effort, which gathered momentum as a

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millennium approached to sell the nine on their message, both to powerful individuals and to a wider

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audience using apparently independent discoveries, archaeological, historical, and scientific

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that appeared to back the beliefs up. There was all activity at Gees, and I'm sure we all remember

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it, playing very exciting actually at the time. Claims and counterclaims of discoveries and

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rumors of discoveries, and rumors that discoveries were being co-covered up at Gees, all of which

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was spun to fit various hall of records, agendas. Any discoveries that were made were usually

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shamelessly spun to make them appear to fit the theories of Alice Bayley, Schwalla-Daloubitch,

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Gakesi, but it wasn't just about apparently proving these gurus' right. Enoch that was

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been essentially hijacked, exploited or co-opted to fit the nine's message. Because a trail was

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being laid that would ultimately lead people to those who claim to speak for the nine. I mean,

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that's what makes Clever and I want to write the Stargate conspiracy, to bring the hidden parts

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of the story to the attention of those who were excited by, for example, Hankuk and Bovans Books,

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which we perfectly understand. We think that the hour book Stargate conspiracy did its job

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by making the connection's public, we kind of burst the bubble that was being built up.

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At some point, somebody was going to do a big reveal that all this proved the nine.

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Well, you probably all remember that the millennium was to have been marked in Egypt by the

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lowering of a golden capstone onto the Great Pyramid by Helicopter, while the I of Horace was

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projected onto the side of the Pyramid with lasers, which would be fulfilling exactly the symbolism

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of the moment as given by Henry Wallace and Edgar K. C. Of course, it didn't happen. The Egyptian

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government became aware of the Masonic symbolism and as rematinaries band in Egypt, the ceremony

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was cancelled. So in that sense, America didn't try and that whole thing and the cancellation

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was in part and this is not us trying to big ourselves or it's actually true. It was in part due

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to the publication of the Stargate conspiracy, which we are told alerted the Egyptian authorities

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to the Masonic symbolism. But we know that that's not the end of it. Whoever was behind the

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nine thing will be trying to find another way. Our book Starcom did upset a lot of people because

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it didn't set up to do that, but we did criticise some of the most prominent people in the field.

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Basically, we double and triple checked the research of certain big names with some surprising

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results, which we then published. And although upset the writers and their fans,

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there are some things that really do just have to be said. Particularly what happens when you

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claim to come up with the answers to ancient mysteries upon which you then hang a modern message,

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or worse, actually manipulate the facts to fitting with what is actually a political agenda.

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There are genuine mysteries about the ancient past, but they were being cynically hijacked.

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This wasn't actually, oh, we were so naive honestly, but we were driven, you know, we wanted to

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make these things public, but it wasn't actually the wiseist career move.

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Although Starcom was published by a big international publishing house, little brown,

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we actually ended up being blacklisted by some of the biggest publishers around,

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because a pressure put on them by certain very prominent writers, and they're very influential

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literary agent. They all shared the same literary agent who was actually the most influential

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literary agent, certainly in the UK, but probably in Europe. And the thing is, we're still on that

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blacklist today. Plus, we were very pointedly dropped from major conference circuits at that time,

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because those authors refused to share a platform with us, and seen as they had the cloud,

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we were dropped. Although Andy or was remained a true friend, but in effect we got no platformed.

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Whatever was happening though was false and being manipulated, but by whom?

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All stage managed by Viharic and the CIA, or was the council of nine pulling Viharic strings,

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or was it a bit of both? I mean, you know, we really don't know, but we do know that the story

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of the nine really matters, because it just shows what can happen, when people are given exciting

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information that they want to believe in, they really, really want to believe in, apparently from

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the gods themselves. Hidden in there is a profoundly unsettling agenda, and I'm not just referring to

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yet, it must be said, the Masonic conspiracy, but also the the slying couragement of

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racism and divisiveness hate essentially under all the love and light. Andy,

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and Graham, and the green stoneers, followed genuine psychic leads, without any intention of

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starting a cult or any other agenda other than to see where it leads. Everything we've just

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said shows that what can happen though, and on a huge scale, when channeling gets out of hand,

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and is manipulated to fit an agenda. What we're saying is that we should all be cautious,

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very, very cautious, when a message, spiritual religious and above all, basically political,

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is attached to the wonders and mysteries of which there are many genuine ones, the wonders and

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mysteries of the ancient world. We believe very much so, we're not skeptic, we believe that

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there are genuine mysteries, and that there is a magical unseen world. I grew up in a haunted house

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for heaven's sake, but if anyone tells you that they have contact with this unseen world,

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and then spin your story, that threatens to take away your basic discernment and humanity.

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Remember, you have your own heart, soul and brain. Let's always remember to use them. Thank you.