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I am sure many in this room strongly suspect that the history of the human experience is not quite what you were taught in school.

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For no small reason is there a pervading sense that huge pieces have been withheld or dismissed by an increasingly risk-averse academia.

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Or political authority has placed whole sections of understanding on a need-to-know basis.

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Anyone who sets sail into the past to figure out what is missing and what has been distorted needs to be made of sturdy stuff.

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With an intellect as open as it is powerful, such a person joins us today.

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Please welcome to the stage for X-Conference 2009, Graham Hancock.

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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. It's a real pleasure for me to be here.

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I'm going to be talking today about — I'm not known for a strong interest in UFOs and aliens.

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I never actually saw the need to invoke alien technology in the construction of the pyramids of Egypt, for example.

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But as my work has continued, particularly in a new book called Supernatural that was published in 2005,

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I have come more and more to feel that, for want of a better word, extraterrestrial involvement must be taken into account.

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And what I'm going to be proposing today is not intended as an alternative to existing approaches to the problem.

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It's intended as an addition to existing approaches to the problem.

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If you like, an additional weapon in our arsenal to tackle this huge intellectual problem, spiritual problem as well,

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that we deal with in connection with the visitors.

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Now, most of what I'm saying you will be able to find in much greater depth in the book Supernatural.

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So I will not elaborate enormously on the points.

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But if you want backup for anything that I'm saying, footnotes and details, it's all in the book.

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Now, this is the first — I think the first issue of interest is we are, as a species, there is no doubt that humanity is just another African ape.

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That's really what we are, there's no dispute about it, and our connection to the great apes, to the gorillas and the chimpanzees, is incredibly close.

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1.4% genetic difference from gorillas, 1.2% from chimpanzees.

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So why should we assume, actually, that the visitors are really that interested in us?

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There's plenty of other creatures on the planet that they might be interested.

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But I think it's — I think we probably are correct that they are interested in us,

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because we appear to be the only species on the planet that has developed full self-consciousness

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and the ability to manipulate symbols at an incredibly complex level.

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And so the question really becomes, for me, when did we become more interesting to the hypothetical visitors than the great apes?

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When did this happen?

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We're very closely related to the apes genetically, but our behavior is different.

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If you look at most studies of human evolution, you will find that they concentrate on physical evolution.

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There's a great emphasis put on walking upright on two legs, as this making us different from other creatures.

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But, of course, crows walk upright on two legs, so I don't think that's a very special characteristic.

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If you go into the human family tree, you'll find that it's roughly a six-million-year story

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from the last common ancestor with the chimpanzee through to fully anatomically modern human beings today.

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It's a six-million-year story.

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And to be completely honest with you, having researched this subject in great depth,

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it's almost entirely six-million-years of boredom.

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It's so unbelievably dull.

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We didn't do anything in the way of tools until about 2.5 million years ago.

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And, by the way, tools are another thing that academics like to take as a characteristic,

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something that makes us different from the animals.

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But we know now, been recent, an enormous amount of evidence on this, that the great apes also use tools.

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And, again, to come back to crows, they've been known to pick up a little straw and use that for something, too.

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So tool using isn't necessarily our unique attribute.

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But, anyway, here it is, the Alderwan stone tool tradition.

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This was the sum total of human creativity for more than a million years.

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Before that, there were no tools, from 2.5 million to 1.65 million years ago.

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Then we have a change from this very simple technology.

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We get slightly better tools.

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It's called the Achulian stone tool tradition.

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Again, it's all over the world.

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And that runs, without any change, from 1.65 million years ago down to 250,000 years ago.

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They're good tools, but it's as though our ancestor got stuck in a rigid frame of mind,

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absolutely nailed to the tracks, and were unable to expand their minds and open their ideas to other things.

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So, for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years, like incredibly dull robots,

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they churned out these very boring tools.

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If you look at the human family tree, you'll find that it's really only about 100,000 years ago

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that our ancestors begin, just begin, to behave in a slightly interesting way.

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New things begin to happen.

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And what's interesting is that these new things are not linked to physical evolution.

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The fully anatomically modern human form has been in existence for at least 195,000 years.

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There's a skeleton from Ethiopia, 195,000 years old, identical to any of us in this room today.

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And we can tell from the brain pan that the brain was also identical.

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This is a fully anatomically modern human being.

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But that human being, 195,000 years ago, is behaving no different from human ancestors a million years ago.

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There's no change.

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Come down to 100,000 years ago, and things slowly begin to happen.

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The first thing is, around about 100,000 years ago, we started to get some evidence

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that our ancestors are interested in symbolism.

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They're using jewelry.

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They're making shell beads.

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And from Blombos Cave in South Africa, the first piece of anything that you could call art,

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it's this little stone piece in the bottom right with the cross hatching on it.

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Some ancestor of ours sat there and made that pattern on that piece of stone,

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and that is the very first ever, earliest surviving piece of true art

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that has come down to us from the ancient world.

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During this process, other things are happening to our ancestors, too.

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They're using better tools.

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They're thinking more carefully about their tools.

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They're developing better hunting strategies.

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But it's only really after about 40,000 years ago

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that we suddenly discover that we are dealing with people like us

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who are thinking in fully symbolic terms

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and amazingly valuably are recording images on stone.

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And here in Chauvet Cave in France, 33,000 years ago,

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we find this astonishing explosion of amazing art.

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And if you look, actually, at this, you'll see that up at the rhino horns,

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up on the right there, you can see that they've built perspective into that art.

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We're often taught in art classes that perspective wasn't really introduced until the Renaissance.

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But there it is, 33,000 years ago, in Chauvet.

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And it's why Picasso said, when he was interviewed on Leaving the Cave of Lascaux,

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he was asked what he thought about those ancient artists.

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And he said, we have invented nothing.

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They did it all.

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They did it all before us, long, long before us.

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So there was an extraordinary explosion of creative power.

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This explosion of creative power was accompanied by other symbolic acts

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notably the first definite evidence for the burial of the dead with grave goods.

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When you put in food and water beside the corpse,

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you are asserting that you believe some aspect of that individual continues on after death.

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This is an extraordinarily sophisticated idea.

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And it appears at this stage.

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We're looking at the cave of Lascaux here, the Hall of Bulls.

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And these caves, and I've been privileged to visit quite a few of them,

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are the most extraordinary cathedrals.

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It is not simply the amazing art, but they have taken account of the whole environment of the cave.

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And as you go into it, a sense of the sacred sinks upon you and you find yourself lost in this magical, magical landscape

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where the artists have made use of every feature of the cave wall to enhance the power of their art.

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And often there are very strange features.

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Look at the antlers on this stag.

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That is not a depiction of reality.

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That is, if you like, a fantasy stag.

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That's a stag which you're not going to see out there on the hunt.

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Look at the way these horses float.

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And also notice the strange geometrical patterns that you'll see in some of these designs above the horse on the right there, for example.

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Look at this cow.

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Perhaps that's the earliest example of the cow jumping over the moon.

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And look at the grid right in front of it.

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You have to ask yourselves, what state of mind were our ancestors in when they made these images?

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And what were they trying to depict?

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It's a sort of dream world.

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This is not...

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You don't see animals on top of each other like this, an auroch and a horse, in everyday life.

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And then the handprints.

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And what I've found and other researchers have found when you enter these caves,

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and particularly when you look at the handprints, you get a sudden eerie impression.

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It feels like somebody's got their hand on the other side of the wall.

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And you're seeing it.

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It's like the cave wall is a membrane that separates you from another world, from another realm.

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And that's really the powerful impression that comes through from visiting these caves.

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You're probably wondering by now what this has got to do with ETs and aliens.

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I'll get to it.

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I'll get to it.

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This is the cave of Peschmel in France.

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And look at the way they used the stalactites to frame the panel of the spotted horses.

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And let's go in to the panel of the spotted horses a little bit.

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And I'd like to just draw your attention again to the cleverness of the artist.

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If we go to the right-hand horse, you can see that actually the rock wall itself is a little bit like the head of a horse.

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And they've taken advantage of that.

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But if you look closer, you discover that the horse does have a painted head.

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And that this is tiny and totally out of proportion with the rest of the body.

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Weirdly also, the dapples continue beyond the bodies of the horses onto the wall below them.

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There's a hand with six fingers underneath there.

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So this is not just a depiction of reality.

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There's something else involved here.

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Very interesting.

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This is actually the earliest piece of cave art found anywhere in the world.

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I showed you that bit from South Africa 77,000 years ago.

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That's a geometrical pattern.

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But here we have a representation.

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It's from Fumani Cave in Italy.

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It's 35,000 years old.

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And if you notice at the top, the horns of a bull-like creature, the body and arms and legs of a human being.

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This is what is called technically a therianthrope.

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That's from the Greek therion, which means wild beast.

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And anthropos, which means man.

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They're man beasts.

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They're a combination of man and animal.

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It is intriguing that the very earliest piece of fully representative symbolic art in the world, this one from Fumani Cave in Italy, depicts a therianthrope, a man beast, part animal, part auroch.

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If we go to Chauvet Cave, alongside all those dreamy images of animals, we have another therianthrope, man beast.

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This one's a bison man.

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You can see the head and horns of the bison.

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And you can see the humped back.

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And then it comes down to the legs of a human being.

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And this figure is straddling another figure.

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You can see the prominent pubic triangle there.

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It's straddling a female figure.

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But weirdly, I can't use my pointer here because I'm not in a position to point properly at the screen.

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So I'm just going to try to direct you.

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If you go above the head of the bison, you will see that the woman's figure is actually headless.

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But if you go over to her right arm, which is on the left side of the screen, you'll see that that arm has been transformed into the head of a lion.

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And that underneath it, there are more lions at the bottom of the screen.

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So, again, we must ask ourselves, what state of mind led the artist to make this depiction?

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Bison man straddling lion woman.

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Lion woman is headless, but her right arm is depicted as transforming into the head of a lion.

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This is not something that he saw in everyday life.

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He's depicting a complex idea here.

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And we need to get to grips with what's going on.

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Hollenstein-Stadel cave in Germany.

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Again, the oldest art in the world.

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A lion man carved from mammoth ivory.

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He's about three feet high.

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And these figures from various caves.

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Famously on the left, the sorcerer, who's a combination of stag, wolf, owl, and human being.

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And more bison men on the right.

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These kind of images are scattered widely amongst the more familiar images of cave art.

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And they're there from the very beginning, as I hope I've demonstrated.

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Here are a couple of owls from Lascaux cave.

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And here from South Africa.

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Again, the oldest piece of art found in South Africa is another therianthrope.

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Archaeologists have identified the hind legs as human.

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The foreparts as those of some sort of feline.

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And really an astonishing image here.

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And I actually do need to be able to point at the screen.

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So I'm just going to move around.

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This image shows human bodies with the heads of elands.

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And if you just...

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Oh, dear.

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I can't do that.

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Sorry.

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Heads of elands.

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And you'll notice the figure on the right has this lumpy object wrapped around its body.

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Actually, there's two eland heads on that as well.

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And those are serpents with the heads of elands.

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Elands, they're composite animals wrapped around a composite human-animal figure.

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And this is from the rock art of South Africa.

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Again, from South Africa, humans transforming into antelopes, figured on top of a zigzag line.

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Back to France.

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Actually, this isn't the first portrait in history.

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There are older portraits than 27,000 years ago, although they mainly show therianthropes, human-animal combinations.

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But I'm interested in the shape of the face, actually.

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The high-domed forehead and the narrow-pointed chin and just a hint of an eye.

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And when we come to these two images, the one on the left of the screen is from South Africa.

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The one on the right of the screen, you will see a sort of geometrical figure.

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And underneath it, just this faint image of a head, of a human head and a little body.

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And if we come in closer and redraw that human head with a little body, you can see that it does actually appear to be an image of what we would today call a gray.

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A narrow-pointed chin, large, dark eyes, and a high-domed forehead.

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And that is in the cave of Peshmerle in France.

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I've studied it personally.

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And it is 24,000 years old.

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If we look at the full image, which you can see on the right of the screen, you can see that that figure is pierced.

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It's been stuck through with what look like spears or who knows what they are.

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And I just want to draw a little parallel with the alien abduction scenario and the probes and objects that people report being put into their body.

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Although in this case, weirdly, it's the alien who's getting probed.

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And I wonder what that is above his head.

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I wonder what that object in the sky is above the figure's head.

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It's never been identified.

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But there are, in fact, images all over the caves, both in South Africa and in Europe, of objects that we today would interpret as flying machines.

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The object on the left from South Africa is clearly depicted as in the air.

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We know that because it's above a figure on the ground.

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There are two birds in the picture.

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And the creatures in this flying boat are therianthropes, part animal, part human.

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On the right, above and below, from the French caves,

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So if any of us saw an object of this shape flying through the skies today, we would immediately say flying saucer.

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The archaeologists think that they're trying to draw houses or something like that, but they really have no idea what these things are.

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So the question I want to raise, there's no doubt that the symbolic revolution, which is featured in the cave art, which is manifested in the cave art, was the single most significant advance in the entire story of human evolution.

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Six million years of boredom, and then suddenly everything bursts out into life, and that accompanies the creation of the cave art.

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And in the creation of the cave art, we see these odd figures that look a bit like the greys, and we also see the therianthropes, part animal and part human.

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And so the question I wanted to ask is, when they left us these documents, did they also leave us the images of the beings who helped them on to this next stage in their evolution?

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Were the cave men the first humans to be contacted by the visitors in some way?

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And is it possible, actually, that these visitors were behind that huge leap forward in behavior that made us human?

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I don't think that we can rule it out.

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Now, in explanations of the visitor phenomenon, I think there's a little bit too much reliance on nuts and bolts explanations,

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and too little reliance on the mysteries of human consciousness.

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And while the nuts and bolts explanations are extremely valuable, and many brilliant people have brought huge new information to light,

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I'm going to be going more for consciousness.

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And as I say, this is something I want to add to the arsenal rather than substitute.

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For about the last 20 years, this is one of the very few occasions when I find myself in agreement with mainstream academia.

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Mainstream academia has accepted for about the last 20 years what is called the neuropsychological theory of cave art.

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And this explanation, I won't bore you with the details.

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It's all in my book with footnotes.

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But it is the most widely accepted explanation of what cave art is.

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It wasn't hunting magic.

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That idea has been out for 40 or 50 years.

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The belief now, from an enormous amount of studies, the details are in the book,

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is that what we are looking at is the work of ancient shamans,

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who were depicting what they saw in their visions on the walls of the caves.

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And actually, this is the single explanation that explains everything about cave art,

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that it's visionary art created by shamans.

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And we can understand more about it by looking at shamans still working and creating art today.

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Now, the one thing, the one universal feature of all shamanism is the altered state of consciousness.

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If you encounter an individual who calls himself a shaman,

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and if that individual remains throughout the ceremony in the alert problem-solving state of consciousness

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that our society values, then I'm sorry, he is not a shaman.

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A shaman must use altered states of consciousness.

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It is the definition of shamanism.

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And those practitioners who use altered states of consciousness to explore the wider boundaries of reality

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are rightly called shamans.

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Many ways to get into altered states of consciousness.

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Here's an Eskimo, an Inuit shaman.

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And in his case, it's about isolation, it's about hunger and fasting.

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And gradually, you put your brain chemistry into a visionary state where it becomes accessible.

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I think this business of altered states of consciousness can perhaps be better understood

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if I go back to that phrase I used a moment ago, the alert problem-solving state of consciousness,

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which is what our society values highly.

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Our society doesn't even believe, really, that any other states of consciousness are valid.

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When you call somebody a dreamer today, you're not really congratulating them, are you?

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But in ancient times, dreams were considered a valid means of knowledge.

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And I think that what the altered state of consciousness is about,

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it's about a necessary separation from the alert problem-solving state of consciousness.

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If you're in that state of consciousness, you're going to be really good at alert problem-solving,

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and you're not going to do much else.

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You're certainly not going to consider the visionary realm.

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So this is why shamans everywhere, and I just give a few examples here,

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use different techniques.

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Here's rhythmic drumming.

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So on different techniques to get into altered states of consciousness.

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However, the most widely used method by shamans around the world to get into altered states of consciousness

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is the use of hallucinogenic plants.

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The Amanita muscaria is quite a hard plant to, fungus, to work with.

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It's very widespread in its use amongst shamans.

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Of course, everybody is familiar with peyote, the Native American church,

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the use of peyote by the huichol to explore visions and to explore the visionary realm.

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Another method not involving plants is the sun dance, the austerities, the pain, the difficulties.

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The bushmen of the Kalahari use a dance.

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They'll dance for 12 hours around a fire, become extremely dehydrated.

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At a certain point, they experience their spirits leaving their bodies.

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And their spirits then travel in the astral realm.

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And they encounter beings, demons, angels, gods, spirits.

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And they interact with them in that realm.

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Mushrooms.

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Everybody's heard of magic mushrooms.

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But actually, if you go back to 1951, you wouldn't have heard of magic mushrooms

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because nobody in the West knew what they were.

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It was the use of mushrooms, very ancient in Central America,

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was discovered by Gordon Wasson, the ethnobotanist, in the 1950s

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to still be going on amongst certain tribes in Mexico.

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And he published a big article in Life magazine.

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And it's only since then that the psychedelic properties of mushrooms

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have been rediscovered by the West.

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But they were certainly in use in ancient times.

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And it's most likely, and again, the details are in the book,

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that it was the mushroom psilocybe semilanciata,

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psilocybin mushroom, little one.

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We call it the liberty cap today,

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which was used by the shamans in the caves

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to get into their altered states of consciousness.

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In Africa, it's iboga, the plant that enables man to see the dead.

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And I have, of course, as a dedicated researcher,

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I always try to put myself into my investigation.

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So I have taken mushrooms.

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I have taken iboga.

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It's the most awful experience of my life.

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48 hours, totally unable to walk, vomiting.

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I really did actually go through a death and rebirth.

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It was the most extraordinary thing.

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In Central Africa, iboga is used,

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one of its functions is to contact your deceased ancestors.

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And I was, because often we don't have closure

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with somebody we love who's died.

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And you seek that closure.

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And I was seeking closure at the time

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concerning the loss of my father.

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I found these visionary plants

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extraordinarily helpful in that area.

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The use of iboga is very widespread in Central Africa.

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Actually, the president of Gabon

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is a member of the Wheatie cult.

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Now we're in the Amazon.

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And I'm picking, with the shaman Francisco Montes-Chuna,

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Peruvian Amazon,

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I'm picking the leaves from a bush

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that's called chacruna in the Amazon.

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Its botanical name is Cicotria viridis.

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And the leaves contain pharmacologically pure

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dimethyltryptamine, DMT,

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which is an illegal Schedule I drug

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in this country and in most parts of the world.

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If you make a tea with dimethyltryptamine,

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with these leaves,

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you could brew up 100 gallons and drink them all.

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It's not going to have any effect on you at all.

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Absolutely nothing.

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The reason for that is that there's an enzyme

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in our stomachs, monoamine oxidase,

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which destroys DMT on contact.

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So you don't get it.

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You don't get any effect just from the leaves.

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You have to mix it with something else.

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And that's this vine,

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which coils itself up into a double helix.

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And this is called the ayahuasca vine.

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It means the vine of souls.

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And when it is taken

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and mixed with the leaves

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of the Cicotria viridis plant,

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what happens is the shaman will

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take lengths of the vine,

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smash them up,

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lay them down in a cooking pot,

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put about 300 leaves on top of that,

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more lengths of the vine,

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then cook it all up

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for hours and hours and hours.

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What's happening at the level of biochemistry

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is that there's a chemical in the vine

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which is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

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It switches off the monoamine oxidase in the stomach

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and allows the DMT in the leaves

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to enter your system.

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You have to ask yourself

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how they did this.

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There's 155,000 different species

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of plants and trees in the Amazon.

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And it's quite a mystery

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and a miracle

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that they were able to take these two

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and put them together

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because remember,

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you don't get the properties

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unless they work together

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to discover the visionary plant

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that they call the vine of souls

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or the vine of the dead.

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And the end result,

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you can see it in that plastic bottle there,

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is this thick, almost black liquid

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which is the ayahuasca brew.

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Now, I should emphasize,

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since we are talking about a Schedule 1 drug here,

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dimethyltryptamine,

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a couple of points.

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First of all,

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the consumption of ayahuasca

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is legal throughout South America

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and not only is it legal,

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but its use is protected

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under laws of religious freedom

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as an ancient and sacred heritage

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of the Peruvian Amazon

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and the Brazilian Amazon

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and all the other countries

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surrounding the Amazon basin.

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Secondly,

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dimethyltryptamine and DMT

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in ayahuasca

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are not addictive in any way.

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As a matter of fact,

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there are two major clinics

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in the world now,

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one of them in Peru

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called Takewasi,

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who are using ayahuasca

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with phenomenal success

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to get people off addictions

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to hard drugs

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like heroin and cocaine.

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50% of the drug addicts

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who go to Takewasi

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after one month

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leave completely free of addiction

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and never return.

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Furthermore,

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they have not gone through

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and through withdrawal symptoms.

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They are presented with facts

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about themselves

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and their own circumstances

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by this mysterious brew

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which makes them rethink their lives

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and they come out free of addiction.

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It's an astonishing thing.

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Many in the Amazon

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and I have become one of them.

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I've drunk ayahuasca 30 times.

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We find that we are dealing with a spirit.

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We are dealing with an entity.

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There is a personality

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behind the ayahuasca brew

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and that personality

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often presents herself as a serpent,

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sometimes as a woman

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in various forms.

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She's always female.

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She's the spirit of ayahuasca.

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She's recognized throughout the Amazon jungle.

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She's believed to care for and love the planet

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and to have time for human beings as well.

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And I've had some direct encounters with this being

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which have had an extraordinary impact on my life.

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Well, when you drink ayahuasca,

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first of all, it's an ordeal.

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There's another reason

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why nobody's ever going to get addicted to this.

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I mean, you really have to brace yourself.

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You have to say,

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I am going to go through some hours

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of extreme discomfort and pain.

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I'm going to be vomiting.

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I'm going to have diarrhea.

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And I'm going to just have to jump behind the nearest tree

474
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:44,660
to deal with that

475
00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:46,640
because there's no toilets out there in the jungle.

476
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520
And we Westerners,

477
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,780
we're kind of poor

478
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:52,500
at dealing with bodily functions

479
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:53,340
in a public setting.

480
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,040
And, you know, I'm British,

481
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,460
so that's even worse for me.

482
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,420
So one of the things ayahuasca told me

483
00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:01,480
was actually the least important part of you,

484
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Mr. Hancock, is your body.

485
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:04,640
That's the least important part,

486
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,320
your physical body.

487
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,860
What really matters is your spirit,

488
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:08,320
your soul, who you are,

489
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,040
your consciousness.

490
00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:09,960
That's what matters.

491
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:12,600
And what ayahuasca is working with you at

492
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,560
at the level of consciousness

493
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,620
is quite extraordinary.

494
00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:18,960
We have the work of Professor Benny Shannon

495
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,120
of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem

496
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,760
to thank for the knowledge

497
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,480
of the astonishing universals

498
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,320
in human experiences of ayahuasca.

499
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,560
From all over the world,

500
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,020
even if they have no background

501
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:32,120
in the subject at all,

502
00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:34,500
people in a visionary state in ayahuasca

503
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:35,720
see the same things.

504
00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:37,120
They've never compared notes.

505
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:38,900
They have nothing in common with each other.

506
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,200
But they go into the same enchanted jungle.

507
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,980
And as they travel through it,

508
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:44,260
they find crystal cities

509
00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:45,960
and strange beings meeting them.

510
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,060
And these beings communicate

511
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:49,320
with us telepathically.

512
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,980
I know how nuts this sounds.

513
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,500
I know that the tendency is to think

514
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:54,900
it's just hallucinations.

515
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,860
But I want to explain to you

516
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:57,580
why I don't think

517
00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:59,300
it's just hallucinations at all.

518
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,560
So here is the work

519
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,980
of an ayahuasca shaman,

520
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,140
Pablo Amaringo.

521
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:06,400
After his ayahuasca journeys,

522
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,480
he paints his visions.

523
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:10,740
And this is one of those paintings.

524
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,600
Here's another one.

525
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:12,580
Serpents.

526
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:14,940
Everybody who drinks ayahuasca

527
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:16,120
sees serpents.

528
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:17,660
What's the explanation for this?

529
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:18,780
Is there a brain module

530
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:19,860
for seeing serpents?

531
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,420
Some might say,

532
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,000
oh, well, we have an ancient

533
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,700
instinctive fear of serpents,

534
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,540
and that's why we see them.

535
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,500
But the serpents you see

536
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:27,500
in ayahuasca visions

537
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,460
are by and large extremely friendly

538
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:30,440
and welcoming

539
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,940
and say, come to the party.

540
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,880
You know, they're very nice.

541
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,080
And we all see these amazing

542
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,740
vision serpents,

543
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,160
which sometimes, again,

544
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,480
will transform, as I said,

545
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,860
into human figures.

546
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,160
And, of course,

547
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,740
therianthropes.

548
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:49,600
If you look at bottom left,

549
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:50,400
you'll see the creatures

550
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,600
with the bodies of tigers.

551
00:34:51,740 --> 00:34:52,580
Look at their heads,

552
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,440
and you can see that

553
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,380
these are human heads.

554
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,840
And, again, serpents

555
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,060
wrapped around human bodies

556
00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:01,320
and extraordinary saturated colors.

557
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:05,980
And look at this incredible image

558
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:06,680
from Pablo,

559
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:10,160
where the jungle realm

560
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,680
is united with the universe,

561
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:12,520
and we see planets.

562
00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:14,580
And what do we see

563
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,480
about midway down

564
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,820
on the right-hand side,

565
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,560
which I can't point at,

566
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,200
which is here,

567
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,120
which is there,

568
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:30,240
what we see is a UFO,

569
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,620
a flying saucer, actually.

570
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,480
I think everybody's heard

571
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,300
of the UFO sightings

572
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:36,840
over Brazil,

573
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:38,020
but flying saucers

574
00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:39,020
appear enormously

575
00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:40,600
in ayahuasca art.

576
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:42,520
There's another one up there

577
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,840
on the top left of the screen.

578
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:45,500
And lo and behold,

579
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:47,340
a therianthrope,

580
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,340
a human body

581
00:35:48,340 --> 00:35:49,600
with the head

582
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,320
of an alligator,

583
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,420
in this case,

584
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:53,080
on the right,

585
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,320
just like the therianthropes

586
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,700
that we see

587
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:55,680
in the painted caves

588
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,160
35,000 years ago.

589
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,760
Here's another of Pablo's work,

590
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:00,980
therianthrope on the left,

591
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:01,740
part serpent,

592
00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:02,780
part human,

593
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,020
and on the right,

594
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,120
a huge flying saucer.

595
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:08,200
This is what Pablo

596
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,300
sees in his visions.

597
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,600
I've seen such things too.

598
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,680
And just a comparison,

599
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:13,960
the cave art on the left

600
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,840
and Pablo's flying saucers

601
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,380
on the right.

602
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:18,100
Tens of thousands of years

603
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,780
separate the two artists,

604
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:21,560
but what they have in common

605
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,960
is altered states

606
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,740
of consciousness.

607
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:27,620
I now want to draw

608
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:28,420
some comparisons

609
00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:31,220
between the beings

610
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:32,400
that we call aliens

611
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,060
and greys,

612
00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:36,740
the beings that shamans

613
00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:37,840
call spirits,

614
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:40,120
and to argue

615
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,940
that they have

616
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:43,160
a great deal in common.

617
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,340
From the side of shamanism,

618
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:48,640
we have the gigantic works

619
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,720
of Mercier Eliad

620
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,120
and hundreds and hundreds

621
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,740
of academics

622
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:52,520
who've recorded

623
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,160
the experiences of shamans

624
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,960
all around the world.

625
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:55,600
And from the side

626
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,780
of the ETs,

627
00:36:57,260 --> 00:36:58,740
we have the late

628
00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:59,600
Dr. John Mack

629
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,060
and his enormous body

630
00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:02,200
of interviews

631
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,680
with ET abductees,

632
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,600
David Jacobs,

633
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,300
Bud Hopkins.

634
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:07,780
We again,

635
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,220
we have a vast resource

636
00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:10,460
of information

637
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:11,780
on experiences

638
00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:13,460
that individuals have had

639
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:15,440
which they have construed

640
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,220
as being abducted

641
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:18,000
by aliens.

642
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:19,080
And so what I want to do

643
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,420
is to make some quick comparisons

644
00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:21,600
between those

645
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,280
and the experiences

646
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,380
that shamans have

647
00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:24,240
with beings

648
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,240
that they construe

649
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,340
as spirits.

650
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,760
And again,

651
00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:29,200
there's much more information

652
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,900
in the book,

653
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,180
but it's very well known

654
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:31,960
that the spirits

655
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,080
shamans encounter

656
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,700
most frequently

657
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:35,460
first appear

658
00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:36,620
in the form of animals,

659
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:38,360
birds or fish

660
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,620
or as part human,

661
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,800
part animal hybrids.

662
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:43,380
Oddly enough,

663
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,500
the same turns out

664
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:45,160
to be true

665
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,040
for alien abductees.

666
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:48,340
And I've given

667
00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:49,100
some examples.

668
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:50,520
There's Virginia Horton,

669
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:50,900
remember,

670
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,160
talking with an intelligent

671
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,020
grey deer

672
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:53,960
and she thought

673
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,560
there's a person

674
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,360
inside this deer.

675
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:56,380
Another abductee

676
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:57,480
saw a deer

677
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,180
looking at her

678
00:37:58,180 --> 00:37:58,980
through the window

679
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:00,980
just before she was abducted.

680
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Another saw a wolf

681
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,100
standing on her bed

682
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:04,300
looking in her eyes.

683
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:06,020
And John Mack sums up,

684
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,380
the aliens appear

685
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,280
to be consummate

686
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,200
shapeshifters,

687
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,400
often appearing

688
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,520
initially to abductees

689
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,060
as animals,

690
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,180
owls, eagles,

691
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:14,340
raccoons and deer

692
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:16,300
are among the creatures

693
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,140
the abductees

694
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:18,120
have seen initially.

695
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:19,720
So we have

696
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:20,580
the spirit animal

697
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,680
of the shaman,

698
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,780
very often an owl,

699
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,000
and we have an owl

700
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,040
with humanoid characteristics

701
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,300
in the Lascaux cave

702
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:29,520
and very often

703
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,000
the trace memory

704
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,700
that people get

705
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:32,620
from an alien abduction

706
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:33,360
is of an owl.

707
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,340
So there's a commonality

708
00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:36,040
there that I find

709
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,740
most curious.

710
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,120
Shamans report

711
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,560
being floated up

712
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,340
into the sky

713
00:38:40,340 --> 00:38:41,140
or climbing

714
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:42,280
on a rope of light

715
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,860
or being drawn up

716
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:44,780
on a thread of light

717
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:45,620
and there's some examples

718
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:46,100
of that from

719
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:47,480
South African rock art.

720
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:48,840
Again,

721
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,860
amongst UFO abductees

722
00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:51,640
he is,

723
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,900
I feel like I'm in an elevator,

724
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:53,780
there's no walls,

725
00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:54,680
it's just fast up,

726
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,420
then compare that

727
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:56,520
with the Basuto shaman,

728
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,440
the roof of the hut

729
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:57,880
was open

730
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,600
and he felt himself

731
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,700
carried into the sky.

732
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:01,640
Shaman in Botswana,

733
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,460
I dance

734
00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:03,940
and I'm climbing,

735
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:04,980
I climb the threads,

736
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:05,560
I take them

737
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,240
and climb them.

738
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:07,960
Another one

739
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,560
takes a rope

740
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,320
and it floats him

741
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,060
into the sky

742
00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:11,240
and then you have

743
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:12,200
UFO abductees

744
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,220
reporting the same thing

745
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:13,800
that a line

746
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,780
or a thread of light

747
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:16,400
extended down to them.

748
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:17,720
Arthur saw a light

749
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:18,340
like a thread,

750
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,200
a spider's thread

751
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,120
and so on and so forth.

752
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:20,980
There's just an astonishing

753
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:22,820
number of examples

754
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:23,380
of this.

755
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,360
Shamans,

756
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:27,000
they are sometimes

757
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,880
abducted as well

758
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,720
as going into the sky,

759
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:29,240
they're sometimes

760
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,160
taken underwater

761
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,200
or into caves.

762
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:32,240
Same story

763
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,480
for ET abductees.

764
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,760
Betty Ajo,

765
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,360
abducted for the first time,

766
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:37,140
this UFO went

767
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:37,800
into the sea

768
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,640
and came out again.

769
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:39,440
Then entered

770
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,360
a huge crystalline cavern,

771
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:42,960
Filiberto Cardenas,

772
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,540
abducted by humanoids,

773
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,600
taken inside a huge rock,

774
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,700
taken into a tunnel

775
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:48,480
beneath the sea.

776
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:49,900
Carlos Diaz

777
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:50,980
sees a UFO,

778
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,100
it was made of millions

779
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:53,180
of small dots of light,

780
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:54,240
he tries to touch it

781
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,360
and suddenly

782
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,180
he's inside a cave

783
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:58,640
that was lined

784
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,620
with stalactites

785
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:00,780
and stalagmites.

786
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:03,220
So astonishing similarities

787
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:04,740
between the experiences

788
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:05,940
of UFO abductees

789
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:07,160
and shamans

790
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,340
in that case.

791
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:12,340
The shamanic ordeal.

792
00:40:12,860 --> 00:40:13,640
Shamans are always

793
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,920
being pierced

794
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,900
by spirits.

795
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,680
They're constantly

796
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,940
sticking things in them

797
00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:19,660
and they often put implants

798
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:20,740
inside the body

799
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:21,320
of the shaman.

800
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,780
Initiatory trances,

801
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,140
piercings and tortures

802
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:27,220
including surgery,

803
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:28,140
bone counting,

804
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:29,280
the insertion of objects

805
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,120
into their bodies.

806
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Bizarre surgical procedures

807
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,700
at the hands of spirits

808
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:34,740
who insert stones,

809
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,480
rock crystals

810
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,340
and other objects

811
00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:37,020
into their bodies.

812
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:37,920
Are you with me?

813
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,420
I mean we have

814
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:39,280
a similar phenomenon

815
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,720
with alien abduction.

816
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:41,240
We were talking

817
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:41,960
about it yesterday,

818
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,480
these implants.

819
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Very odd that shamans

820
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,780
should feel the same thing

821
00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:49,120
and here are the examples

822
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,420
from the alien abduction side.

823
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:53,700
Again, crystals

824
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,840
do appear into it

825
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,500
and this whole sense

826
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:57,800
of being operated on

827
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,180
that shamans report

828
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:00,900
is also widely reported

829
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:03,300
by UFO abductees.

830
00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:04,780
Shamans,

831
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,820
they're constantly

832
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:06,940
having sex with spirits.

833
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:09,900
I know a shaman

834
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,540
who actually

835
00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:12,100
his wife

836
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:12,840
divorced him

837
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,080
because of his relationship

838
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:14,840
with a spirit woman.

839
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:16,060
Yeah.

840
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,540
Not only has he got

841
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:18,000
a relationship

842
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:18,620
with a spirit woman,

843
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:19,380
he's got five kids

844
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:19,760
with him

845
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,140
in the spirit world.

846
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:22,980
Well,

847
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:24,180
there's some familiarities

848
00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:25,080
here with the

849
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,480
alien abduction scenario too

850
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,700
because we're being

851
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:28,740
asked to reproduce

852
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:29,580
with these aliens

853
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:30,580
and very often

854
00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:31,300
we're abducted

855
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:31,880
again and again

856
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,400
to go back

857
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,480
and care for our offspring

858
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,720
that they have for us.

859
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:35,520
very, very similar

860
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,600
to the shamanic

861
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,760
experience

862
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,280
and the sense

863
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:40,820
of mission

864
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:42,560
that many UFO abductees

865
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,340
return with

866
00:41:43,340 --> 00:41:44,600
is absolutely

867
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,560
reflected in the

868
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,060
experiences

869
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:48,480
of shamans.

870
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:51,340
Maria Sabina

871
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:53,080
was given a book

872
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,860
and she learned

873
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:55,420
many things

874
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:55,960
from the book.

875
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:58,160
In 1961,

876
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,280
Betty Hill

877
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,060
was given a book

878
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:01,960
by the aliens.

879
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,780
both she and

880
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:05,040
Maria Sabina

881
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,580
were not allowed

882
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:06,160
to take the book

883
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:06,800
back to Earth.

884
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:08,720
Betty Andreassen

885
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:09,780
was given a small

886
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:10,480
blue book

887
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,780
with 40 luminous pages

888
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:13,400
and after these

889
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:13,860
experiences

890
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:14,620
they come back

891
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:15,800
with healing powers

892
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,480
and a sense

893
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,140
of mission.

894
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:18,980
Now,

895
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:19,960
fairies and elves.

896
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:22,240
I want to pay

897
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:22,860
tribute here

898
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:24,880
to the work

899
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,400
of Jacques Vallée.

900
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,340
Why do fairies

901
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:28,700
and elves

902
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:29,300
have so much

903
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:29,760
in common

904
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,540
with aliens

905
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:31,280
and spirits?

906
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,140
Jacques Vallée's

907
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:34,340
1969 book

908
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:35,580
Passport to Magonia

909
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:37,640
is an amazing

910
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,820
intellectual achievement

911
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:40,040
and it

912
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,740
draws

913
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:42,700
in-depth

914
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:43,320
comparisons

915
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,340
between reports

916
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:45,400
of fairy encounters

917
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,060
in the past

918
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:47,260
and alien encounters

919
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:47,540
today.

920
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,420
What I've done

921
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:49,100
in Supernatural

922
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:49,860
is I've taken

923
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:50,920
Jacques Vallée's

924
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,560
body of work

925
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,280
as given

926
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,340
and I've then

927
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:53,880
taken on

928
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,980
from 1969

929
00:42:54,980 --> 00:42:57,000
with the subsequent

930
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,920
alien abduction

931
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,780
reports

932
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:59,620
and compared

933
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:00,160
those

934
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,220
with fairy lore

935
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:02,100
as well

936
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,240
and so it's

937
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:03,620
intriguing

938
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:04,280
to see

939
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:04,860
what happens

940
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:05,140
here.

941
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:06,520
Fairies,

942
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:07,920
just like

943
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,720
spirits and aliens

944
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:09,580
were renowned

945
00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:11,100
for abducting

946
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:11,480
people.

947
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:12,460
In fact,

948
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:13,000
I've come to

949
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,520
the conclusion

950
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:13,960
and this is

951
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,600
just my opinion

952
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,140
that the thing

953
00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:15,520
called the

954
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,280
fairy dance

955
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,480
that circular

956
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:17,920
dance

957
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,500
that fairies

958
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:18,760
do

959
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,920
which brings

960
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,360
them into

961
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:20,780
existence

962
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:21,440
and into

963
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,080
our sight

964
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:22,420
and which

965
00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:22,780
they use

966
00:43:22,780 --> 00:43:23,240
also to

967
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:23,620
disappear

968
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:24,520
from our sight

969
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,920
is a very

970
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,520
very interesting

971
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,040
phenomenon

972
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,020
where you

973
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:29,200
to approach

974
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,620
the fairy

975
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:30,020
dance

976
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:30,700
too closely

977
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:31,520
and touch

978
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:31,740
it

979
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:32,400
you get

980
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:32,720
pulled

981
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,240
into it

982
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:34,740
you get

983
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:35,220
drawn into

984
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:35,560
it and you

985
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,320
can't get

986
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,840
out again

987
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,220
unless you

988
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:37,500
happen to

989
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:37,940
have a friend

990
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:38,260
who just

991
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:38,660
drags you

992
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:39,100
out at the

993
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:39,540
last minute

994
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:40,420
once you

995
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:40,860
get drawn

996
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:41,260
into it

997
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:41,720
you're taken

998
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:42,280
into fairy

999
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,600
land

1000
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,360
and when

1001
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:43,680
you're in

1002
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,260
fairy land

1003
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:44,640
you start

1004
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,140
having missing

1005
00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:45,980
time problem

1006
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:46,720
it used to

1007
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:47,060
be much

1008
00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:47,480
worse than

1009
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:47,700
it is

1010
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:47,960
today

1011
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,040
people would

1012
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,640
get abducted

1013
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,320
by fairies

1014
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:50,920
they'd come

1015
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,500
back 300

1016
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:52,120
years later

1017
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,420
they would

1018
00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:53,840
just be

1019
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,420
a memory

1020
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:54,940
yes

1021
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:55,480
somebody in

1022
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:55,840
this village

1023
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,480
was taken

1024
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:56,920
a long

1025
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,440
time ago

1026
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760
now they're

1027
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:00,360
not so harsh

1028
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:00,660
on us

1029
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:01,080
we have much

1030
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,880
shorter periods

1031
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,860
of missing

1032
00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:03,220
time

1033
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:03,620
but it's a

1034
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:04,020
very similar

1035
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:04,340
phenomenon

1036
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:05,140
I wonder

1037
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:05,740
if the fairy

1038
00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:06,900
dance was

1039
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:07,380
the previous

1040
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:07,980
technology

1041
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:08,640
to the UFO

1042
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,780
I wonder

1043
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:10,480
if it was

1044
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,500
a way

1045
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:12,200
of moving

1046
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,100
between worlds

1047
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:13,740
of moving

1048
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:14,580
between dimensions

1049
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:15,300
and if that's

1050
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:16,440
what the UFO

1051
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,400
is now

1052
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,780
fairies

1053
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:19,420
could be cruel

1054
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:19,960
they tortured

1055
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,560
human beings

1056
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,020
they hurt

1057
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:21,280
them

1058
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,360
they were

1059
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,940
also kind

1060
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:23,300
they gave

1061
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:23,700
them gift

1062
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:24,080
they gave

1063
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,900
them healing

1064
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:25,480
powers

1065
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,320
similar to

1066
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,780
shamanism

1067
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:28,080
and similar

1068
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,620
to UFO abductees

1069
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:30,960
power of flight

1070
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,100
fairies use

1071
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:33,420
aerial vehicles

1072
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:35,300
fairies do

1073
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:36,040
abduct people

1074
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,740
underground

1075
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:38,120
or into a

1076
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:38,900
cave as well

1077
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:40,880
exactly as we

1078
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,560
found with

1079
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,720
UFO abductees

1080
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,520
many many

1081
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,740
examples of

1082
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:46,180
this which I

1083
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:46,780
hope you can

1084
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:48,260
read on the

1085
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:48,560
screen

1086
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,540
fairies and

1087
00:44:49,540 --> 00:44:49,860
elves

1088
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:51,100
often appear

1089
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:51,760
as part

1090
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,160
animal

1091
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,760
part human

1092
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,480
hybrids

1093
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,680
as

1094
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,660
therianthropes

1095
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:57,520
here's a

1096
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,080
woodcut I

1097
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,780
have from

1098
00:44:58,780 --> 00:44:59,620
the 15th

1099
00:44:59,620 --> 00:45:00,180
century in

1100
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:00,460
Holland

1101
00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:01,500
shows a

1102
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:01,900
group of

1103
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:02,300
fairies

1104
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:02,840
dancing in

1105
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,120
a ring

1106
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,500
if you look

1107
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:03,980
closely you

1108
00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:04,320
can see

1109
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,640
that they

1110
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,820
are beast

1111
00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:06,140
men

1112
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:06,780
they have

1113
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:07,160
the heads

1114
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:07,940
and hooves

1115
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:08,400
of animals

1116
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,740
and the

1117
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:09,080
bodies

1118
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:09,980
of human

1119
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:10,360
beings

1120
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:10,900
so again

1121
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:11,220
this

1122
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:12,220
therianthropy

1123
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:13,420
is coming

1124
00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:14,040
into the

1125
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:14,480
picture

1126
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,540
here's

1127
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:16,220
melusine

1128
00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:17,160
a feared

1129
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:17,800
medieval

1130
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,280
fairy

1131
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,780
part serpent

1132
00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:20,480
and part

1133
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,840
human

1134
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:21,840
what was

1135
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,400
she feared

1136
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:22,820
for

1137
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:23,800
abducting

1138
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,280
human

1139
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,840
babies

1140
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,160
they would

1141
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:26,800
sometimes put

1142
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,380
in place

1143
00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:28,260
a changeling

1144
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:29,000
who vaguely

1145
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,660
resembled the

1146
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:30,140
child but

1147
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:30,680
otherwise was

1148
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,000
not the

1149
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,400
child who

1150
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:31,660
had been

1151
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:31,980
taken

1152
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:34,280
and again

1153
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,060
I think

1154
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:35,500
this issue

1155
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:35,860
of the

1156
00:45:35,860 --> 00:45:36,180
fairy

1157
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:36,640
abduction

1158
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,300
of babies

1159
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:38,040
and

1160
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,020
hybrid

1161
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:40,380
human

1162
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:40,720
alien

1163
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:41,160
children

1164
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:41,480
there's

1165
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,040
again a

1166
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:42,460
tremendous

1167
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:43,200
connection

1168
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,580
here

1169
00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:44,360
which we

1170
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,840
need to

1171
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,240
look at

1172
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:46,200
much more

1173
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,600
carefully

1174
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,880
so these

1175
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,220
are some

1176
00:45:48,220 --> 00:45:48,540
of the

1177
00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:49,080
common

1178
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,680
forms

1179
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,600
in which

1180
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,100
aliens

1181
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,020
and spirits

1182
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:53,220
and fairies

1183
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:54,680
all appear

1184
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,700
and since

1185
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:57,360
interpretation

1186
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,320
is built

1187
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:59,900
into all

1188
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:00,340
perception

1189
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:00,720
from the

1190
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:01,040
get-go

1191
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,500
we humans

1192
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:01,940
we can't

1193
00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:02,260
look at

1194
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:02,520
something

1195
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:02,800
without

1196
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:03,360
interpreting

1197
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,560
it

1198
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:03,960
there's

1199
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,180
no such

1200
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:04,340
thing

1201
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:04,460
as

1202
00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:05,000
objective

1203
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,800
we see

1204
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,140
things

1205
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:06,860
through

1206
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:07,260
our

1207
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:07,720
frame

1208
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:08,660
and what

1209
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:08,860
I'm

1210
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:09,280
suggesting

1211
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,900
is that

1212
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:10,800
spirits

1213
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,420
fairies

1214
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:13,460
aliens

1215
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:14,340
it's all

1216
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:14,740
the same

1217
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:15,180
phenomenon

1218
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:16,000
seen

1219
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,200
through

1220
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,580
different

1221
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:16,960
cultural

1222
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,560
spectacles

1223
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,420
at

1224
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:18,740
different

1225
00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:19,080
periods

1226
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:19,240
of

1227
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:19,600
time

1228
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,740
here

1229
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:24,860
are

1230
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:25,080
four

1231
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:25,600
drawings

1232
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,560
three

1233
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:26,740
of

1234
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:26,920
them

1235
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,040
are

1236
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:28,300
from

1237
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:29,180
the

1238
00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:29,600
roofs

1239
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,100
of

1240
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:30,240
the

1241
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:30,720
caves

1242
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:31,420
dating

1243
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:31,720
back

1244
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:31,960
more

1245
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,100
than

1246
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:32,880
20,000

1247
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,440
years

1248
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,620
one

1249
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:34,800
of

1250
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:34,980
them

1251
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:35,480
was

1252
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:35,740
drawn

1253
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:35,940
by

1254
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:36,140
one

1255
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:36,280
of

1256
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:36,540
John

1257
00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:36,940
Mack's

1258
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:37,340
patients

1259
00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:38,080
in

1260
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:38,780
1990

1261
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:39,980
and

1262
00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:40,100
she

1263
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:40,360
said

1264
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:40,520
that

1265
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:40,700
that

1266
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:41,180
particular

1267
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:41,620
image

1268
00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:42,220
was

1269
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:42,700
projected

1270
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:43,020
into

1271
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:43,240
her

1272
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:43,540
visual

1273
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:44,040
field

1274
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,640
just

1275
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:44,940
before

1276
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:45,100
she

1277
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:45,280
was

1278
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,840
abducted

1279
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,860
all

1280
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:49,140
four

1281
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:49,420
images

1282
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:49,800
have

1283
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,340
great

1284
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:50,860
similarities

1285
00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:51,720
the

1286
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:51,960
modern

1287
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,260
one

1288
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:52,660
is

1289
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:53,140
lower

1290
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:53,500
right

1291
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:57,760
so

1292
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,220
I'm

1293
00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:58,620
suggesting

1294
00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:58,940
that

1295
00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:00,120
such

1296
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,760
experiences

1297
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,380
the

1298
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:01,800
experiences

1299
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,120
of

1300
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,100
contact

1301
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:03,300
with

1302
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:03,740
visitors

1303
00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:05,400
can

1304
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:05,800
become

1305
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,260
accessible

1306
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:06,700
to us

1307
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:07,100
as much

1308
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:07,320
through

1309
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:07,940
alterations

1310
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:08,240
in our

1311
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:08,440
state

1312
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:08,600
of

1313
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:08,980
consciousness

1314
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:09,940
as

1315
00:47:09,940 --> 00:47:10,180
through

1316
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:10,500
any

1317
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:11,140
physical

1318
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:11,980
investigations

1319
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:13,180
in the

1320
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:13,520
material

1321
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:13,880
realm

1322
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,580
and

1323
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:15,940
I'm

1324
00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:16,120
going to

1325
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,360
talk a

1326
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,460
little

1327
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:16,640
more

1328
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:16,840
about

1329
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,300
drugs

1330
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:17,620
now

1331
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:18,800
hallucinogenic

1332
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,160
drugs

1333
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:19,740
LSD

1334
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:20,920
dimethyltryptamine

1335
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,620
mescaline

1336
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:22,460
psilocybin

1337
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:22,820
etc

1338
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:24,200
until

1339
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,500
our

1340
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:26,760
governments

1341
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,560
foolishly

1342
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,160
declared

1343
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:29,960
the war

1344
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,600
on drugs

1345
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,140
thus

1346
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:31,900
franchising

1347
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:33,300
criminal

1348
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:33,900
gangs

1349
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:34,680
all over

1350
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,100
the world

1351
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:35,600
and handing

1352
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,060
over our

1353
00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:36,600
young people

1354
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:36,920
to the

1355
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,160
worst

1356
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:37,460
people

1357
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:37,600
on

1358
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:37,700
the

1359
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:38,000
planet

1360
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,020
before

1361
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:40,240
this

1362
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:40,440
was

1363
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:40,800
done

1364
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,400
a

1365
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:41,640
great

1366
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:41,900
deal

1367
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:42,040
of

1368
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:42,300
work

1369
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:42,480
was

1370
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:42,820
done

1371
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:43,260
with

1372
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:43,940
hallucinogens

1373
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:44,680
to

1374
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,280
explore

1375
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:45,600
human

1376
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,020
consciousness

1377
00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:46,340
in the

1378
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:46,660
50s

1379
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:47,280
and 60s

1380
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,480
other

1381
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:48,980
techniques

1382
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:49,540
electromagnetic

1383
00:47:49,540 --> 00:47:50,140
fields

1384
00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:50,580
sensory

1385
00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:51,180
deprivation

1386
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:51,680
hypnosis

1387
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,100
rhythmic

1388
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:52,440
drumming

1389
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:52,900
they also

1390
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:53,240
work

1391
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:53,560
too

1392
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:53,880
but if

1393
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,000
you

1394
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,180
want

1395
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:54,320
to

1396
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:54,880
absolutely

1397
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,580
reliably

1398
00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:55,920
put

1399
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,260
somebody

1400
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:56,460
into

1401
00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:56,620
a

1402
00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:56,880
deeply

1403
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,200
altered

1404
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:57,480
state

1405
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:57,620
of

1406
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:57,960
consciousness

1407
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,700
you

1408
00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:58,960
can't

1409
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,060
do

1410
00:47:59,060 --> 00:47:59,220
much

1411
00:47:59,220 --> 00:47:59,420
better

1412
00:47:59,420 --> 00:47:59,580
than

1413
00:47:59,580 --> 00:48:00,020
DMT

1414
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:00,420
and

1415
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:00,520
you

1416
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:00,660
can

1417
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:00,840
do

1418
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:00,980
it

1419
00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:01,360
on

1420
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,780
target

1421
00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:01,980
you

1422
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:02,380
can

1423
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:02,800
say

1424
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:02,960
okay

1425
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,180
we're

1426
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:03,240
going

1427
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:03,320
to

1428
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:03,460
run

1429
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:03,600
this

1430
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:03,940
experiment

1431
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:04,380
now

1432
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:04,940
in

1433
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:05,080
you

1434
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:05,400
go

1435
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:05,940
out

1436
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:06,100
you

1437
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:06,400
come

1438
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:06,940
whereas

1439
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:07,220
with

1440
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:07,500
rhythmic

1441
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:07,880
drumming

1442
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,000
and

1443
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,220
others

1444
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:08,420
it's

1445
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:08,600
much

1446
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:08,960
harder

1447
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,380
so

1448
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:09,580
there's

1449
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:09,780
great

1450
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:10,220
advantage

1451
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:10,420
of

1452
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:10,700
these

1453
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:12,620
visionary

1454
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:13,140
plants

1455
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:14,340
now

1456
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:15,400
typically

1457
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,240
in the

1458
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:16,820
altered

1459
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:17,100
state

1460
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:17,240
of

1461
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:17,580
consciousness

1462
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:18,280
you

1463
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:18,500
go

1464
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:18,840
through

1465
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,160
a

1466
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:20,440
series

1467
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:20,600
of

1468
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,260
experiences

1469
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:22,060
strange

1470
00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:22,580
patterns

1471
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:23,060
and figures

1472
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:23,400
start

1473
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:23,560
to

1474
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:23,920
appear

1475
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,680
and

1476
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:24,840
then

1477
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,060
it's

1478
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:25,180
as

1479
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:25,340
though

1480
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:25,780
you've

1481
00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:27,100
gone

1482
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:27,460
through

1483
00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:27,700
into

1484
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:27,940
a

1485
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:28,300
seamlessly

1486
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:28,900
convincing

1487
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:29,340
parallel

1488
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:29,820
world

1489
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:30,420
and

1490
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:30,580
in

1491
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:30,740
that

1492
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:31,080
parallel

1493
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,520
world

1494
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,120
you

1495
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,600
encounter

1496
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,080
beings

1497
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,260
and

1498
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:33,640
here

1499
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:33,800
as

1500
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:33,960
one

1501
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,080
of

1502
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,200
the

1503
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,500
volunteers

1504
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:34,780
from

1505
00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:34,920
the

1506
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,700
1960s

1507
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:35,900
drew

1508
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:36,100
in

1509
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:36,340
stage

1510
00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:36,600
three

1511
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:36,740
on

1512
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:36,840
the

1513
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,100
right

1514
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:37,560
what

1515
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:37,680
does

1516
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:37,780
he

1517
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:38,160
encounter

1518
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,360
but

1519
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,500
a

1520
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:39,140
therianthrope

1521
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:39,920
dressed up

1522
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,100
in a

1523
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:40,300
modern

1524
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:40,640
suit

1525
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:41,080
of course

1526
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:41,700
but

1527
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:42,000
with

1528
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,180
the

1529
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:42,340
head

1530
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:42,440
of

1531
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:42,560
a

1532
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:42,880
fox

1533
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,960
Rick

1534
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Strassman

1535
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,320
at

1536
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:47,560
the

1537
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,020
University

1538
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:48,220
of

1539
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:48,380
New

1540
00:48:48,380 --> 00:48:48,760
Mexico

1541
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,340
has

1542
00:48:49,340 --> 00:48:49,580
done

1543
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:50,220
astonishing

1544
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:50,660
work

1545
00:48:50,660 --> 00:48:50,840
I'm

1546
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:50,980
sure

1547
00:48:50,980 --> 00:48:51,200
many

1548
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,340
in

1549
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:51,480
this

1550
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,620
room

1551
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:51,740
are

1552
00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:52,040
familiar

1553
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,280
with

1554
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,420
it

1555
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:52,900
if

1556
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:53,080
you're

1557
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,340
not

1558
00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:53,900
get

1559
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:54,100
this

1560
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:54,320
book

1561
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:54,500
and

1562
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:54,700
read

1563
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:54,880
it

1564
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,460
DMT

1565
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:55,640
the

1566
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:55,900
spirit

1567
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:56,320
molecule

1568
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:56,600
it

1569
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:56,780
is

1570
00:48:56,780 --> 00:48:57,520
fundamental

1571
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,320
importance

1572
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,420
he's a

1573
00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:59,840
psychiatrist

1574
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:00,220
at the

1575
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:00,560
University

1576
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:00,720
of

1577
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:00,820
New

1578
00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:01,140
Mexico

1579
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:01,420
he

1580
00:49:01,420 --> 00:49:01,560
was

1581
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:01,720
the

1582
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:01,940
first

1583
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:02,320
American

1584
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:02,800
scientist

1585
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,220
for more

1586
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:03,340
than

1587
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:03,680
20

1588
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:04,120
years

1589
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:04,800
to get

1590
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,180
permission

1591
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:05,540
from the

1592
00:49:05,540 --> 00:49:05,760
federal

1593
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,100
government

1594
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:06,340
to

1595
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:06,760
conduct

1596
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,380
experiments

1597
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:08,080
with

1598
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:08,440
human

1599
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:08,960
volunteers

1600
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:09,460
using

1601
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:10,580
dimethyltryptamine

1602
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:12,620
and

1603
00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:12,900
so

1604
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:13,280
over

1605
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:13,460
a

1606
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:13,660
period

1607
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:13,820
of

1608
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:14,060
some

1609
00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:14,560
years

1610
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,120
with

1611
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,400
many

1612
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,000
volunteers

1613
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,020
Rick

1614
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:17,220
was

1615
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:17,460
giving

1616
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:17,700
them

1617
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:18,520
DMT

1618
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:18,960
in

1619
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,460
injectable

1620
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:19,800
form

1621
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,880
and

1622
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,480
recording

1623
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,000
their

1624
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,780
experiences

1625
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:24,540
their

1626
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:25,220
experiences

1627
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:26,560
are

1628
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,440
astonishingly

1629
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,680
like

1630
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:27,840
the

1631
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:28,280
experiences

1632
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:28,500
of

1633
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:28,760
UFO

1634
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,180
abductees

1635
00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:29,340
but

1636
00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:29,480
we

1637
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:29,700
know

1638
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:29,860
they

1639
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:30,060
weren't

1640
00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:30,460
abducted

1641
00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:30,580
they

1642
00:49:30,580 --> 00:49:30,680
were

1643
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:30,800
on

1644
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:30,880
a

1645
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,140
hospital

1646
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:31,460
bed

1647
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:32,480
right

1648
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:32,640
there

1649
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:32,760
in

1650
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:32,860
the

1651
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:33,140
University

1652
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:33,260
of

1653
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:33,360
New

1654
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Mexico

1655
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,000
but

1656
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,340
something

1657
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:34,540
was

1658
00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:34,840
happening

1659
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,020
to

1660
00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:35,180
their

1661
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:35,620
consciousness

1662
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:35,920
maybe

1663
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:36,100
their

1664
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:36,460
consciousness

1665
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:36,780
was

1666
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:37,340
abducted

1667
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:37,980
I'm

1668
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:38,300
serious

1669
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:38,540
about

1670
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:38,860
that

1671
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:39,960
Jim

1672
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,180
a

1673
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:40,660
DMT

1674
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:41,040
volunteer

1675
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,320
there

1676
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:41,440
were

1677
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:41,800
clinical

1678
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,380
researchers

1679
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:42,940
probing

1680
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:43,140
into

1681
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:43,360
my

1682
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:43,720
mind

1683
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:43,920
there

1684
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,040
were

1685
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:44,200
sort

1686
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:44,300
of

1687
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:44,640
long

1688
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,100
fiber

1689
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:45,420
optic

1690
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:45,800
things

1691
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:45,980
that

1692
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:46,100
they

1693
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:46,200
were

1694
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:46,480
putting

1695
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,680
into

1696
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:46,860
my

1697
00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:47,340
pupils

1698
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:48,020
Carl

1699
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:49,120
that

1700
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,260
was

1701
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:49,440
real

1702
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:49,940
strange

1703
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:50,180
this is

1704
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:50,380
remember

1705
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:50,620
this is

1706
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:50,840
straight

1707
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,100
after

1708
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:51,240
a

1709
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:51,600
DMT

1710
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,080
experience

1711
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,280
there

1712
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:52,360
were

1713
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,560
a lot

1714
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:52,720
of

1715
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:53,080
elves

1716
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,220
they

1717
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:53,320
were

1718
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:53,840
prankish

1719
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,260
ornery

1720
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:54,460
maybe

1721
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:54,860
four

1722
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:55,020
of

1723
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:55,220
them

1724
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:56,480
Ben

1725
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:56,900
I

1726
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:57,200
felt

1727
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:57,540
like

1728
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:57,880
something

1729
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,100
was

1730
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:58,520
inserted

1731
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:58,760
into

1732
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:58,940
my

1733
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:59,260
left

1734
00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:59,940
forearm

1735
00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:02,280
it

1736
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,440
was

1737
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:02,800
long

1738
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,020
there

1739
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:03,160
were

1740
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:03,400
no

1741
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,140
reassurances

1742
00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:04,440
with

1743
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:04,640
the

1744
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,080
probe

1745
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:05,520
simply

1746
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,100
business

1747
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:06,900
remember

1748
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:07,100
these

1749
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:07,880
aren't

1750
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,320
conventional

1751
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:08,580
youth

1752
00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:09,080
abductees

1753
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,240
these

1754
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:09,340
are

1755
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:09,740
people

1756
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:09,960
who've

1757
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,080
been

1758
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:10,260
given

1759
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:10,740
DMT

1760
00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:10,980
on a

1761
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:11,240
hospital

1762
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:11,500
bed

1763
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:11,700
in the

1764
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:12,000
University

1765
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,240
of New

1766
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:12,540
Mexico

1767
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:13,040
Lucas

1768
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:13,740
there's

1769
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:13,980
nothing

1770
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:14,280
that can

1771
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:14,540
prepare

1772
00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:14,680
you

1773
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:14,820
for

1774
00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:15,080
this

1775
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:15,620
the

1776
00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:16,120
sound

1777
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:16,740
louder

1778
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:16,960
and

1779
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,260
faster

1780
00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:17,440
I was

1781
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:17,640
coming

1782
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:17,820
on

1783
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:18,160
pow

1784
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,420
there

1785
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:18,620
was

1786
00:50:18,620 --> 00:50:18,780
a

1787
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:19,100
space

1788
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:19,420
station

1789
00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:19,680
below

1790
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:19,840
me

1791
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:19,960
and

1792
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,040
to

1793
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,200
my

1794
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:20,420
right

1795
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:20,560
there

1796
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:20,620
were

1797
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:20,720
at

1798
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:20,820
least

1799
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:21,040
two

1800
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:21,500
presences

1801
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:21,820
one

1802
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:21,940
on

1803
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:22,120
either

1804
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:22,440
side

1805
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:22,560
of

1806
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:22,640
me

1807
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:22,900
guiding

1808
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:23,060
me

1809
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:23,180
to

1810
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:23,300
a

1811
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:23,800
platform

1812
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,500
aware

1813
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:24,660
of

1814
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:24,880
many

1815
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,380
entities

1816
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:25,780
inside

1817
00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:25,980
the

1818
00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:26,280
space

1819
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,620
station

1820
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:27,340
automatons

1821
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:27,780
android

1822
00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:28,040
like

1823
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:28,440
creatures

1824
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,560
and

1825
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,320
he

1826
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,020
feels

1827
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:31,940
overwhelming

1828
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:32,540
confusion

1829
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:33,020
and opens

1830
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:33,420
his eyes

1831
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:33,760
in this

1832
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,240
technological

1833
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:34,760
setting

1834
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,700
the

1835
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:37,020
horrible

1836
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:37,440
drawing

1837
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:37,680
down

1838
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:37,840
there

1839
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,040
on the

1840
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:38,240
right

1841
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:38,400
because

1842
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:38,540
I

1843
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:38,800
can't

1844
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,040
draw

1845
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:39,680
that's

1846
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:39,840
me

1847
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,040
I

1848
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:40,200
drew

1849
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:40,460
that

1850
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:41,740
I

1851
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:41,900
drew

1852
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:42,180
that

1853
00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:42,780
after

1854
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:43,020
an

1855
00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:43,500
ayahuasca

1856
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:43,860
journey

1857
00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:44,140
in

1858
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:44,260
the

1859
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:44,500
Amazon

1860
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:45,620
and

1861
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:45,740
I

1862
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:45,980
had

1863
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:46,200
my

1864
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,520
only

1865
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,000
first

1866
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:47,340
ever

1867
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:48,820
kind

1868
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:48,940
of

1869
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:49,300
abduction

1870
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:49,800
experience

1871
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,060
because

1872
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:50,220
I

1873
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:50,700
saw

1874
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:51,200
UFO

1875
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:51,860
saw

1876
00:50:51,860 --> 00:50:52,080
big

1877
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,360
flying

1878
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:52,700
saucer

1879
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:53,020
several

1880
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:53,340
actually

1881
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:54,080
and

1882
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:54,220
then

1883
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:54,620
beside

1884
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:54,780
it

1885
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:55,060
this

1886
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:56,020
figure

1887
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:56,440
with

1888
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:56,820
these

1889
00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:57,320
insect

1890
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:57,840
eyes

1891
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:58,020
but

1892
00:50:58,020 --> 00:50:58,160
a

1893
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:58,320
figure

1894
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:58,540
like

1895
00:50:58,540 --> 00:50:58,660
a

1896
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:58,940
grey

1897
00:50:58,940 --> 00:50:59,820
and

1898
00:50:59,820 --> 00:50:59,960
it

1899
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:00,180
looked

1900
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:00,420
very

1901
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:00,900
grim

1902
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:01,100
and

1903
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:01,380
very

1904
00:51:01,380 --> 00:51:02,520
dark

1905
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:02,760
and

1906
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,080
serious

1907
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:03,300
and

1908
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:03,980
I

1909
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:04,340
suddenly

1910
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:04,620
said

1911
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:05,040
no

1912
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:05,720
and

1913
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:05,820
I

1914
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:06,020
opened

1915
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:06,220
my

1916
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:06,480
eyes

1917
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:06,580
and

1918
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:06,720
I

1919
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:07,460
refused

1920
00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:07,840
utterly

1921
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,320
refused

1922
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,480
the

1923
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:08,680
vision

1924
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,120
because

1925
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:09,220
I

1926
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:09,420
felt

1927
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:09,560
I

1928
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:09,680
was

1929
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:09,820
going

1930
00:51:09,820 --> 00:51:09,900
to

1931
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:10,020
just

1932
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:10,180
be

1933
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:10,460
taken

1934
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:10,700
out

1935
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:10,820
of

1936
00:51:10,820 --> 00:51:11,020
there

1937
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:12,660
later

1938
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:12,880
on

1939
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,000
I

1940
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:13,440
regretted

1941
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:13,800
refusing

1942
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:13,980
that

1943
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:14,200
vision

1944
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,100
you

1945
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:16,260
can

1946
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:16,420
do

1947
00:51:16,420 --> 00:51:16,600
that

1948
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:16,780
with

1949
00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:17,040
ayah

1950
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,520
you

1951
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:17,760
can

1952
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,000
say

1953
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,200
no

1954
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,320
I

1955
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:18,440
don't

1956
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:18,660
want

1957
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:18,820
it

1958
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:19,620
and

1959
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:19,760
I

1960
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,640
regretted

1961
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:20,780
I

1962
00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:20,940
should

1963
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:21,060
have

1964
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:21,780
had

1965
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:21,920
the

1966
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,180
courage

1967
00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:22,340
to

1968
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:22,460
go

1969
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:22,680
through

1970
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:22,840
with

1971
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:22,940
it

1972
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:23,060
and

1973
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:23,180
see

1974
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:23,320
where

1975
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:23,440
it

1976
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,580
took

1977
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:23,780
me

1978
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:24,380
that

1979
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:24,540
guy

1980
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:24,820
hasn't

1981
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:25,080
visited

1982
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:25,280
me

1983
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:25,620
again

1984
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:26,000
since

1985
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,300
then

1986
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:27,020
on

1987
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:27,360
I

1988
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:27,760
journeys

1989
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,040
but

1990
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:28,300
I

1991
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:28,700
hope

1992
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:29,680
to

1993
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,040
continue

1994
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:30,940
some

1995
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:31,120
other

1996
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:31,600
examples

1997
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:32,060
in

1998
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:32,440
type

1999
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:32,680
there

2000
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:32,980
from

2001
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:33,360
Rick

2002
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:33,780
Strassman

2003
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:34,280
DMT

2004
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,640
work

2005
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,040
when

2006
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:35,140
I

2007
00:51:35,140 --> 00:51:35,260
was

2008
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:35,500
first

2009
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:35,740
going

2010
00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:36,080
under

2011
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:36,340
one

2012
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:36,440
of

2013
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:36,540
his

2014
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:36,860
volunteers

2015
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:37,220
says

2016
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:37,420
there

2017
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:37,520
were

2018
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:37,700
these

2019
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:38,100
insect

2020
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:38,520
creatures

2021
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:38,720
all

2022
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:39,040
around

2023
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:39,180
me

2024
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:39,380
trying

2025
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:39,540
to

2026
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,020
there

2027
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:49,500
beings

2028
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:49,760
there

2029
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:49,900
they

2030
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:50,000
had

2031
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,120
a

2032
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:50,420
space

2033
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:50,660
ready

2034
00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:50,840
for

2035
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,100
me

2036
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:51,960
and

2037
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,580
so

2038
00:51:52,580 --> 00:51:52,740
on

2039
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:52,860
and

2040
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:53,020
so

2041
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:53,220
forth

2042
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:53,460
very

2043
00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:53,980
familiar

2044
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:54,220
from

2045
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:54,360
the

2046
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:54,620
alien

2047
00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:55,000
abduction

2048
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:55,400
experience

2049
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:55,720
a sense

2050
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:56,000
of being

2051
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,560
taken

2052
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:56,800
into

2053
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,120
deep

2054
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:57,540
space

2055
00:51:57,540 --> 00:51:57,840
of being

2056
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,160
put

2057
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,540
into

2058
00:51:58,540 --> 00:51:59,160
another

2059
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,520
realm

2060
00:51:59,520 --> 00:51:59,700
and

2061
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:00,260
one

2062
00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:00,380
of

2063
00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:00,520
them

2064
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:00,860
says

2065
00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:01,720
I

2066
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:01,940
always

2067
00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:02,120
knew

2068
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:02,260
we

2069
00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:02,460
went

2070
00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:02,740
alone

2071
00:52:02,740 --> 00:52:02,880
in

2072
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:02,960
the

2073
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,240
universe

2074
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:03,440
I

2075
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:03,700
thought

2076
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:04,340
that

2077
00:52:04,340 --> 00:52:04,480
the

2078
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:04,680
only

2079
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:04,880
way

2080
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,040
to

2081
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,460
encounter

2082
00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:05,660
them

2083
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:06,080
is

2084
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,240
with

2085
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:06,520
bright

2086
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:06,820
lights

2087
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:07,000
and

2088
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,300
flying

2089
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:07,760
saucers

2090
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:07,900
in

2091
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:08,120
outer

2092
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:08,560
space

2093
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,140
it

2094
00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:09,580
never

2095
00:52:09,580 --> 00:52:10,100
occurred

2096
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:10,320
to

2097
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:10,540
me

2098
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:11,060
to

2099
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:11,520
actually

2100
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,080
encounter

2101
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:12,340
them

2102
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:12,960
in

2103
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,120
my

2104
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:13,460
own

2105
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:13,940
inner

2106
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:14,440
space

2107
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:14,800
and

2108
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:14,880
I

2109
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,040
think

2110
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,200
this

2111
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:15,300
is

2112
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:15,440
a

2113
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:15,740
terribly

2114
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:16,840
important

2115
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,200
point

2116
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,000
Strassman

2117
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,320
admits

2118
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:18,460
to

2119
00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:18,740
being

2120
00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:19,600
baffled

2121
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:19,800
and

2122
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,560
nonplussed

2123
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:20,720
by

2124
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:20,960
his

2125
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,340
DMT

2126
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:21,680
research

2127
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:21,800
and

2128
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:21,900
in

2129
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:22,060
fact

2130
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:22,180
he

2131
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:22,480
eventually

2132
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:22,880
stopped

2133
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,100
it

2134
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:23,640
he

2135
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:23,880
stopped

2136
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,020
the

2137
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:24,340
research

2138
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:24,880
because

2139
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,160
it

2140
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:25,780
really

2141
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:25,960
was

2142
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,200
blowing

2143
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,420
his

2144
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:26,760
mind

2145
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,060
so

2146
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:27,360
much

2147
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:27,660
that

2148
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:27,980
all

2149
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:28,140
his

2150
00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:28,540
volunteers

2151
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:28,840
were

2152
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:29,240
reporting

2153
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:29,700
encounters

2154
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:29,900
with

2155
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:30,040
the

2156
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:30,260
same

2157
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:30,660
beings

2158
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:31,100
and

2159
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:31,220
they

2160
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:31,400
weren't

2161
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:31,740
comparing

2162
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:32,100
notes

2163
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:32,940
and

2164
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:33,080
this

2165
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:33,220
is

2166
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:33,440
supposed

2167
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:33,600
to

2168
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:33,700
be

2169
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:40,660
the

2170
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:40,920
green

2171
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:41,140
there

2172
00:52:41,140 --> 00:52:41,280
I

2173
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:41,400
think

2174
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:41,520
you

2175
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:41,680
can

2176
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,040
read

2177
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:42,560
the

2178
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:42,860
things

2179
00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:43,200
that

2180
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,220
surprised

2181
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:44,500
him

2182
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:45,680
and

2183
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,060
how

2184
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:46,240
they

2185
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:46,820
challenged

2186
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:47,600
his

2187
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,240
prevailing

2188
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,260
worldview

2189
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:50,500
now

2190
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:51,060
we

2191
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:51,380
could

2192
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:51,800
say

2193
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,600
perhaps

2194
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,320
Strassman's

2195
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,040
volunteers

2196
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,040
were

2197
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,940
reporting

2198
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:58,280
these

2199
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,640
alien

2200
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,120
abduction

2201
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,500
type

2202
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:00,200
experiences

2203
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,760
because

2204
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:02,980
they

2205
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:03,220
picked

2206
00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:03,420
it up

2207
00:53:03,420 --> 00:53:03,540
from

2208
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:03,660
the

2209
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:03,960
culture

2210
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,060
you

2211
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:05,200
know

2212
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:05,540
they

2213
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:06,080
watched

2214
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:06,580
X-Files

2215
00:53:06,580 --> 00:53:06,800
or

2216
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,620
read

2217
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:07,900
National

2218
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:08,380
Enquirer

2219
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:08,500
or

2220
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:08,680
whatever

2221
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,060
it is

2222
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:09,600
that

2223
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:09,760
you

2224
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,040
read

2225
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:10,180
and

2226
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:10,340
you

2227
00:53:10,340 --> 00:53:10,700
get

2228
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:10,860
the

2229
00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:11,080
image

2230
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:11,200
of

2231
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:11,300
the

2232
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:11,460
gray

2233
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:11,580
in

2234
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:11,680
your

2235
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:11,980
mind

2236
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:12,620
but

2237
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:12,900
actually

2238
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:13,220
this

2239
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:13,400
can

2240
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:13,540
be

2241
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:14,140
definitively

2242
00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:14,840
disproved

2243
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,280
because

2244
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:15,840
research

2245
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,060
was

2246
00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:16,300
done

2247
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:16,500
with

2248
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:17,140
DMT

2249
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:17,320
in

2250
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:17,420
the

2251
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:18,400
1950s

2252
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,000
before

2253
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,480
a

2254
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:20,840
single

2255
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,240
alien

2256
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:21,640
abduction

2257
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:22,280
experience

2258
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:22,480
had

2259
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:22,780
ever

2260
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:23,020
been

2261
00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:23,380
publicly

2262
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:23,900
reported

2263
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:25,160
where

2264
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:25,320
we

2265
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:25,660
find

2266
00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:26,160
exactly

2267
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:26,380
the

2268
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:26,660
same

2269
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:27,340
phenomena

2270
00:53:27,340 --> 00:53:27,800
Stephen

2271
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,360
Sara's

2272
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:28,720
research

2273
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:28,880
in

2274
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,000
the

2275
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,900
1950s

2276
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:30,600
again

2277
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:30,880
I

2278
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,100
won't

2279
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:31,280
read

2280
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:31,400
it

2281
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:31,640
out

2282
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:31,940
but

2283
00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:32,380
the

2284
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:32,740
type

2285
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:32,880
of

2286
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,420
encounters

2287
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:33,720
that

2288
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:33,940
his

2289
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:34,360
subjects

2290
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:34,540
were

2291
00:53:34,540 --> 00:53:34,820
having

2292
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:35,000
I

2293
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,160
saw

2294
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:35,600
strange

2295
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:36,040
creatures

2296
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:36,540
dwarfs

2297
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:36,660
or

2298
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:37,000
something

2299
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,000
taken

2300
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:38,200
up

2301
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,340
into

2302
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:38,520
the

2303
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:38,840
sky

2304
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,460
very

2305
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:39,820
similar

2306
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:40,120
to

2307
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,400
the

2308
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:40,880
alien

2309
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,240
abduction

2310
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:41,700
experience

2311
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:41,920
but

2312
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,180
nobody

2313
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:42,400
was

2314
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:42,820
reporting

2315
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:43,140
alien

2316
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:43,500
abduction

2317
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:43,980
experiences

2318
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:44,180
in

2319
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:44,300
the

2320
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:44,760
50s

2321
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,860
so

2322
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:47,060
it's

2323
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:47,240
not

2324
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:47,480
something

2325
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:47,660
they're

2326
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:47,800
getting

2327
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:47,960
from

2328
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,080
the

2329
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:48,340
culture

2330
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:48,480
I

2331
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:48,580
think

2332
00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:48,680
it's

2333
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:48,860
more

2334
00:53:48,860 --> 00:53:49,180
likely

2335
00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:49,440
that

2336
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:49,580
the

2337
00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:49,980
culture

2338
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:50,200
is

2339
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:50,400
getting

2340
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:50,620
this

2341
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:50,920
imagery

2342
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,440
from

2343
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:51,820
visionary

2344
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:52,500
experiences

2345
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,800
and

2346
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,080
yes

2347
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:54,820
Strassman's

2348
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:55,660
volunteers

2349
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:56,160
were not

2350
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:56,380
being

2351
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:56,780
physically

2352
00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:57,760
abducted

2353
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,520
however

2354
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,480
Rick

2355
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,000
Strassman

2356
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,460
and

2357
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:01,760
I'm

2358
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,400
100%

2359
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,600
with

2360
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:02,700
him

2361
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:02,840
on

2362
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,080
this

2363
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,120
is

2364
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:04,340
not

2365
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:04,500
of

2366
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:04,600
the

2367
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:04,820
view

2368
00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:04,980
that

2369
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:05,160
that

2370
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:05,380
means

2371
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:05,600
these

2372
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,140
experiences

2373
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:06,380
are

2374
00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:06,580
not

2375
00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:06,960
real

2376
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:07,980
these

2377
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:08,480
experiences

2378
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:08,860
are

2379
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:09,240
real

2380
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:09,780
they're

2381
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:10,420
absolutely

2382
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:11,060
real

2383
00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:12,880
what's

2384
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:13,240
happening

2385
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:13,960
is that

2386
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,020
he's

2387
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:15,460
suggesting

2388
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:15,740
that

2389
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:15,980
by

2390
00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:16,500
conceiving

2391
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:16,780
of the

2392
00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:17,020
brain

2393
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:17,300
as a

2394
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:17,780
receiver

2395
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:17,980
of

2396
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:18,520
information

2397
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,100
we

2398
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:20,340
can

2399
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:20,820
accommodate

2400
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:21,380
the

2401
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:21,600
model

2402
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:21,760
of

2403
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,080
changing

2404
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:22,360
brain

2405
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:22,680
function

2406
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:22,840
with

2407
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:22,940
a

2408
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:23,240
chemical

2409
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,180
and

2410
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:25,320
it

2411
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:25,820
allows

2412
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:26,080
that

2413
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,280
what

2414
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,420
is

2415
00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:26,880
received

2416
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,080
while

2417
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,300
not

2418
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:27,700
usually

2419
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:28,380
perceptible

2420
00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:28,720
is

2421
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:29,420
consistently

2422
00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:29,760
and

2423
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,460
verifiably

2424
00:54:30,460 --> 00:54:30,980
existent

2425
00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:31,340
for a

2426
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:31,640
large

2427
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:31,920
number

2428
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,060
of

2429
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:32,460
individuals

2430
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:32,700
and

2431
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:32,900
may

2432
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:33,320
indeed

2433
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:33,760
reflect

2434
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,260
stable

2435
00:54:34,260 --> 00:54:35,460
freestanding

2436
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:36,300
parallel

2437
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:36,680
planes

2438
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:36,820
of

2439
00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:37,260
reality

2440
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:37,680
and

2441
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:37,860
what

2442
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:38,040
is

2443
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:38,520
reality

2444
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:38,920
you know

2445
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,780
here's

2446
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:40,020
Albert

2447
00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:40,380
Hoffman

2448
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:40,540
the

2449
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:41,080
discoverer

2450
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,180
of

2451
00:54:41,180 --> 00:54:41,580
LSD

2452
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:41,980
making

2453
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:42,140
a

2454
00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:42,300
very

2455
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:42,600
correct

2456
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:42,880
point

2457
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:43,060
that

2458
00:54:43,060 --> 00:54:43,240
it's

2459
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:43,980
inconceivable

2460
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:44,640
without

2461
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:44,900
an

2462
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:45,380
experiencing

2463
00:54:45,380 --> 00:54:45,960
subject

2464
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,160
it's

2465
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:47,300
the

2466
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:47,720
exterior

2467
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:48,240
world

2468
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:48,620
and

2469
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:48,720
the

2470
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:49,180
receiver

2471
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:49,400
the

2472
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:49,720
ego

2473
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:50,360
in

2474
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:50,540
whose

2475
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:50,920
deepest

2476
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,400
self

2477
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,300
the

2478
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:52,700
experience

2479
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:52,880
is

2480
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:53,240
registered

2481
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,400
this

2482
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:55,960
idea

2483
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,720
that

2484
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,280
our

2485
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:58,880
minds

2486
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:59,540
shut

2487
00:54:59,540 --> 00:54:59,880
out

2488
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,360
more

2489
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:00,540
than

2490
00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:00,700
they

2491
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:00,960
let

2492
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:01,260
in

2493
00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:02,640
was

2494
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,400
represented

2495
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:03,640
by

2496
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:03,940
William

2497
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:04,300
Blake

2498
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:04,520
with

2499
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:04,620
the

2500
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:04,860
notion

2501
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:05,000
of

2502
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:05,100
the

2503
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:05,360
doors

2504
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:05,500
of

2505
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:05,980
perception

2506
00:55:05,980 --> 00:55:06,300
that

2507
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:06,400
if

2508
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:06,500
we

2509
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:06,600
could

2510
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:06,820
just

2511
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:07,640
clean

2512
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:07,860
the

2513
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:08,260
windows

2514
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:08,520
through

2515
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:08,740
which

2516
00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:08,920
we

2517
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,140
see

2518
00:55:09,140 --> 00:55:09,600
reality

2519
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:09,900
we'd

2520
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:10,060
see

2521
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:10,300
much

2522
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:10,680
more

2523
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:11,380
than

2524
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:11,540
we

2525
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:11,860
normally

2526
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:12,240
do

2527
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:13,280
William

2528
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:13,300
William

2529
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:13,700
James

2530
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:13,900
the

2531
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:14,080
brother

2532
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:14,260
of

2533
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:14,340
the

2534
00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:14,700
novelist

2535
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:15,000
Henry

2536
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,340
James

2537
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:15,460
a

2538
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:15,660
great

2539
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:16,520
psychologist

2540
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:16,740
of

2541
00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:16,840
the

2542
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,040
early

2543
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:17,440
19th

2544
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:17,820
century

2545
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:19,500
experimented

2546
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:19,680
with

2547
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,040
nitrous

2548
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:20,540
oxide

2549
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:21,300
and

2550
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:21,460
he

2551
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:21,760
felt

2552
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:21,980
that

2553
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:22,260
no

2554
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:22,640
account

2555
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:22,800
of

2556
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:22,900
the

2557
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:23,220
universe

2558
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:23,400
in

2559
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:23,540
its

2560
00:55:23,540 --> 00:55:24,080
totality

2561
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,320
can

2562
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:24,460
be

2563
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:24,840
final

2564
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,600
which

2565
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:25,920
leaves

2566
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:26,120
these

2567
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,420
other

2568
00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:26,800
forms

2569
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:26,940
of

2570
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:27,340
consciousness

2571
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:27,760
quite

2572
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,500
disregarded

2573
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:28,920
at

2574
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,100
any

2575
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:29,440
rate

2576
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,160
they

2577
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,440
forbid

2578
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:30,580
a

2579
00:55:30,580 --> 00:55:30,940
premature

2580
00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:31,540
closing

2581
00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:32,040
of

2582
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,200
our

2583
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:32,580
accounts

2584
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:32,780
with

2585
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:33,200
reality

2586
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:33,360
and

2587
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,480
of

2588
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:33,640
course

2589
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,020
Aldous

2590
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:34,460
Huxley

2591
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:35,880
argued

2592
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,080
at

2593
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:36,400
length

2594
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:36,780
that

2595
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:37,140
really

2596
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:37,420
what

2597
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:37,560
the

2598
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:42,680
overwhelmed

2599
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,220
if

2600
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:43,500
all

2601
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:43,640
of

2602
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:44,060
reality

2603
00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:44,460
poured

2604
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:44,700
in

2605
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:45,340
that

2606
00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:45,940
our

2607
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:46,280
brain

2608
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:46,680
shuts

2609
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,560
99%

2610
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:47,760
of

2611
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:47,880
it

2612
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:48,240
out

2613
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:49,200
and

2614
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:49,360
it's

2615
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:49,480
the

2616
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:49,660
other

2617
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:50,240
1%

2618
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:50,500
that

2619
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:50,680
we

2620
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:51,080
focus

2621
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:51,320
on

2622
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:51,520
with

2623
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:51,720
our

2624
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:52,220
alert

2625
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:52,740
problem

2626
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:53,180
solving

2627
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:53,500
state

2628
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:53,640
of

2629
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,040
consciousness

2630
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,100
and

2631
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:55,380
Aldous

2632
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:55,800
Huxley

2633
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,180
saw

2634
00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:56,360
the

2635
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,040
hallucinogens

2636
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,460
as

2637
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:57,640
what

2638
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:57,780
he

2639
00:55:57,780 --> 00:55:58,080
called

2640
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:58,800
gratuitous

2641
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,300
graces

2642
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:00,260
which

2643
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:00,540
allow

2644
00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:00,900
us

2645
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:01,680
temporarily

2646
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:01,940
they

2647
00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:02,060
give

2648
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:02,180
us

2649
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:02,340
a

2650
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:02,760
temporary

2651
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,360
bypass

2652
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,320
of

2653
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:04,440
the

2654
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:04,860
reducing

2655
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:05,320
valve

2656
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,860
and

2657
00:56:05,860 --> 00:56:06,140
allow

2658
00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:06,360
us

2659
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:06,520
to

2660
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:06,720
see

2661
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:07,220
reality

2662
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:07,860
as

2663
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:07,980
it

2664
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:08,280
really

2665
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:08,660
is

2666
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:11,080
and

2667
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Hoffman

2668
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,400
makes

2669
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:12,560
the

2670
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:12,760
same

2671
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:13,140
point

2672
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:13,340
the

2673
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:13,520
true

2674
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,020
importance

2675
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:14,160
of

2676
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:14,600
LSD

2677
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:14,860
and

2678
00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:15,220
related

2679
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:15,840
hallucinogens

2680
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:16,220
lies

2681
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:16,420
in

2682
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:16,560
their

2683
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,020
capacity

2684
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:17,300
to

2685
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:17,600
shift

2686
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:17,880
the

2687
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:18,420
wavelength

2688
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:19,160
setting

2689
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:19,920
of

2690
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,060
the

2691
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:20,520
receiving

2692
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,080
self

2693
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,080
and

2694
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:22,520
thereby

2695
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,160
to

2696
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:23,520
evoke

2697
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,460
alterations

2698
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:25,360
in

2699
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:25,740
reality

2700
00:56:25,740 --> 00:56:26,320
consciousness

2701
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:26,960
think

2702
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,220
about

2703
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:27,540
that

2704
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:28,620
we

2705
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:28,780
are

2706
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:29,180
talking

2707
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:30,740
about

2708
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:32,060
the

2709
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:32,640
brain

2710
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,520
being

2711
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:34,160
the

2712
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:34,600
instrument

2713
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,100
with which

2714
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:35,260
we

2715
00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:35,660
perceive

2716
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:36,160
reality

2717
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:36,960
and

2718
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:37,100
that

2719
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:37,300
the

2720
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:37,680
wavelength

2721
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,360
setting

2722
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:38,680
of that

2723
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,040
instrument

2724
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:39,340
can

2725
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:39,500
be

2726
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:39,860
changed

2727
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:40,060
so

2728
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:40,540
normally

2729
00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:41,420
we

2730
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:41,560
are

2731
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:41,840
tuned

2732
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:42,200
in

2733
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,620
to

2734
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:42,940
channel

2735
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:43,340
normal

2736
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:43,980
that's

2737
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:44,160
our

2738
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:44,420
everyday

2739
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:44,880
life

2740
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:45,720
and

2741
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:46,200
it's

2742
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:46,420
just

2743
00:56:46,420 --> 00:56:46,600
as

2744
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:46,840
well

2745
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,000
that

2746
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,180
we're

2747
00:56:47,180 --> 00:56:47,380
tuned

2748
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:47,600
into

2749
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:47,900
channel

2750
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:48,240
normal

2751
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:48,840
otherwise

2752
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,200
we'd

2753
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:49,440
all be

2754
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:49,740
walking

2755
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:49,980
under

2756
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:50,280
buses

2757
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:50,560
and

2758
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:50,960
jumping

2759
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,160
out

2760
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,260
of

2761
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:51,580
windows

2762
00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:52,440
we

2763
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:52,860
understand

2764
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:53,160
the

2765
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:53,360
laws

2766
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:53,500
of

2767
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:53,860
physics

2768
00:56:53,860 --> 00:56:54,820
but

2769
00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:54,980
the

2770
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:55,300
question

2771
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:55,620
is

2772
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:55,980
should

2773
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:56,160
we

2774
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:56,360
be

2775
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:56,780
only

2776
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:57,080
and

2777
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:57,680
exclusively

2778
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:58,580
tuned

2779
00:56:58,580 --> 00:56:58,840
into

2780
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,160
channel

2781
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,520
normal

2782
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,120
or

2783
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:00,340
should

2784
00:57:00,340 --> 00:57:00,520
we

2785
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,000
consider

2786
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,820
other

2787
00:57:01,820 --> 00:57:03,120
realms

2788
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:03,600
of

2789
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,000
reality

2790
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:04,300
and

2791
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:04,420
the

2792
00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:04,780
suggestion

2793
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:05,140
is

2794
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:05,740
that

2795
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:06,020
this

2796
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:06,340
is

2797
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:06,660
what

2798
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:08,080
DMT

2799
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:08,820
and other

2800
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:09,880
hallucinogens

2801
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:10,840
allow us

2802
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,220
to do

2803
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:12,340
and

2804
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:13,180
to cut a long

2805
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:13,860
story short

2806
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:14,320
what

2807
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:14,920
Strassman

2808
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,680
is suggesting

2809
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,720
is that

2810
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,680
we all

2811
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,580
I should have

2812
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:18,980
mentioned this

2813
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:19,420
before

2814
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:20,460
but everybody

2815
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:20,960
in this room

2816
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:21,460
is illegal

2817
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:21,780
okay

2818
00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:22,300
go to prison

2819
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:22,880
right now

2820
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,940
you know

2821
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:24,240
why you're

2822
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:24,520
illegal

2823
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:24,900
because you've

2824
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:25,280
all got

2825
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,000
DMT in your

2826
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,300
bodies

2827
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:27,120
every one

2828
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,440
of us

2829
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,000
it's produced

2830
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,320
in the

2831
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,080
pineal gland

2832
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:29,400
in the

2833
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:29,700
brain

2834
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:30,500
and if

2835
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:30,780
your

2836
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:31,420
urine

2837
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:31,880
or blood

2838
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,040
or

2839
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:32,720
cerebrospinal

2840
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:33,180
fluid

2841
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:33,360
is

2842
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:33,800
assayed

2843
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,220
right now

2844
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:34,520
you will

2845
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:34,900
find

2846
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:35,620
DMT

2847
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:35,940
in it

2848
00:57:35,940 --> 00:57:38,020
we

2849
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,000
tend to

2850
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:39,400
have it

2851
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,260
normally

2852
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:40,760
in

2853
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,600
sub-psychedelic

2854
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,120
quantities

2855
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,900
Strassman's

2856
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:44,320
suggestion

2857
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:44,840
and he

2858
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,260
worked with

2859
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:45,820
John Mack

2860
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:46,360
on this

2861
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:46,780
is that

2862
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:47,580
UFO abductees

2863
00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:47,900
may be

2864
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:48,460
people who

2865
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:49,280
overproduce

2866
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:49,760
DMT

2867
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,000
spontaneously

2868
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:51,800
overproduce

2869
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:51,960
it

2870
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:52,580
and it

2871
00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:53,120
puts them

2872
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:53,900
into

2873
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:54,460
the

2874
00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:54,840
DMT

2875
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:55,280
state

2876
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,100
and

2877
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:56,280
there

2878
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:56,780
crucially

2879
00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:57,360
they are

2880
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,060
not having

2881
00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:58,820
illusions

2882
00:57:58,820 --> 00:58:00,060
and hallucinations

2883
00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:01,380
of non-existent

2884
00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:01,860
things

2885
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:02,820
they are

2886
00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:03,500
being enabled

2887
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:04,240
to see

2888
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:04,780
what they

2889
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:05,120
normally

2890
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,900
cannot see

2891
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:06,720
which is

2892
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,060
there

2893
00:58:07,060 --> 00:58:07,780
which does

2894
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:08,400
surround us

2895
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,120
all the time

2896
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:09,640
which is

2897
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,180
part of our

2898
00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:10,580
reality

2899
00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:11,040
but which

2900
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,760
our alert

2901
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,620
problem-solving

2902
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:13,000
state of

2903
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,380
consciousness

2904
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:14,000
that we so

2905
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,800
highly value

2906
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,940
shuts out

2907
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:17,060
shuts it

2908
00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:17,320
out

2909
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,200
and so

2910
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,320
these temporary

2911
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,220
bypasses

2912
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:20,700
allow it

2913
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:21,260
to come in

2914
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:21,840
and lo and

2915
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,120
behold

2916
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:22,440
when it

2917
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,000
comes in

2918
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:23,980
we start

2919
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:24,320
having

2920
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:24,820
these

2921
00:58:24,820 --> 00:58:25,740
extraordinary

2922
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:27,040
experiences

2923
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,180
and this

2924
00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:30,460
is the

2925
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:30,640
point

2926
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:30,960
that I

2927
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,220
will

2928
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:33,980
finish on

2929
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:34,260
really

2930
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:34,740
that

2931
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:35,220
nothing

2932
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:35,840
in

2933
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,400
science

2934
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,540
allows

2935
00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:37,860
us

2936
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:38,080
to

2937
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:38,540
reduce

2938
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:39,780
hallucinations

2939
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:40,820
so-called

2940
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:41,600
hallucinations

2941
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,500
to the

2942
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:42,720
brain

2943
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,120
chemistry

2944
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:43,340
that

2945
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:43,820
accompanies

2946
00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:43,980
them

2947
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:44,600
many

2948
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,160
scientists

2949
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:45,820
will say

2950
00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:46,560
it has

2951
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:46,740
been

2952
00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:47,000
done

2953
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:47,240
they've

2954
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:47,440
taken

2955
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:47,760
people

2956
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:47,960
in

2957
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,340
visionary

2958
00:58:48,340 --> 00:58:48,740
state

2959
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:49,820
and put

2960
00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:49,940
them

2961
00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:50,120
into

2962
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:50,520
MRI

2963
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,020
scanners

2964
00:58:51,020 --> 00:58:52,400
and

2965
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:52,660
certain

2966
00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:52,860
bits

2967
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:53,080
of the

2968
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:53,420
brain

2969
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:54,500
light up

2970
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:55,380
in the

2971
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:55,680
MRI

2972
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,120
scanner

2973
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,280
at that

2974
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:57,640
point

2975
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,040
and

2976
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,300
the

2977
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:01,540
scientist

2978
00:59:01,540 --> 00:59:02,040
says

2979
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,080
okay

2980
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:03,320
you

2981
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:03,740
reported

2982
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:04,180
a vision

2983
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:04,760
I saw

2984
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:04,980
a bit

2985
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:05,180
of your

2986
00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:05,480
brain

2987
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,000
light up

2988
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,760
that means

2989
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,160
the vision

2990
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:07,760
was caused

2991
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,120
by that

2992
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:08,460
bit of your

2993
00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:08,700
brain

2994
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:09,200
lighting up

2995
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,300
this is

2996
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:10,700
the logic

2997
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:10,920
that's

2998
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:11,040
used

2999
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:11,280
that's

3000
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:11,640
all it

3001
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:11,960
is

3002
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,280
it's

3003
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:12,640
just

3004
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,080
brain

3005
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:13,520
activity

3006
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:13,840
but

3007
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,320
come on

3008
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,260
every

3009
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:15,800
experience

3010
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,320
we have

3011
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:16,640
causes

3012
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,080
our brain

3013
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:17,480
to light

3014
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:17,740
up

3015
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:18,520
the brain

3016
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:18,800
is what

3017
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,300
we use

3018
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:19,920
to experience

3019
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,420
the world

3020
00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:21,240
so you

3021
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:21,580
can't

3022
00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:21,840
say

3023
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,040
that

3024
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:22,600
detecting

3025
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:22,960
brain

3026
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,360
activity

3027
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:23,760
means

3028
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:23,920
that

3029
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:24,040
the

3030
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:24,540
experience

3031
00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:24,900
is not

3032
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:25,240
real

3033
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,120
just because

3034
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:27,660
the scientist

3035
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:28,440
isn't

3036
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,040
seeing it

3037
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,000
the analogy

3038
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:31,480
that I like

3039
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:32,040
to use

3040
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:32,660
is the

3041
00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:33,020
analogy

3042
00:59:33,020 --> 00:59:33,800
of the

3043
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,180
telescope

3044
00:59:34,180 --> 00:59:35,260
if we

3045
00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:35,620
wish to

3046
00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:35,900
look

3047
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:37,020
at a

3048
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:37,340
very

3049
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:38,240
distant

3050
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,060
star

3051
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:40,640
we're going

3052
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:40,940
to take

3053
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:41,140
our

3054
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:41,520
telescope

3055
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:41,780
and we're

3056
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:41,940
going to

3057
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:42,320
point it

3058
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:42,540
at the

3059
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:42,760
star

3060
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,560
and what

3061
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:43,780
we have

3062
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:44,020
to do

3063
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:44,280
is we

3064
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:44,620
have to

3065
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:45,080
adjust

3066
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:45,840
the focus

3067
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:46,400
of the

3068
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:46,740
telescope

3069
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:47,380
and when

3070
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:47,780
we do

3071
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:48,160
that

3072
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,280
physical

3073
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:49,840
changes

3074
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,600
take place

3075
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:50,860
in the

3076
00:59:50,860 --> 00:59:51,400
relationship

3077
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:51,880
between

3078
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:52,520
the lenses

3079
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,320
inside

3080
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,640
the

3081
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:53,940
barrel

3082
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:54,800
of the

3083
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,120
telescope

3084
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,320
and

3085
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:57,980
eventually

3086
00:59:57,980 --> 00:59:59,000
the star

3087
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,440
comes

3088
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,360
into view

3089
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:00,960
and we

3090
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:01,380
see it

3091
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:01,880
we would

3092
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,380
be quite

3093
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:02,800
wrong

3094
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,740
would we

3095
01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:04,020
not

3096
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:05,020
to say

3097
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:05,380
that the

3098
01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:05,720
star

3099
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:06,180
is

3100
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:06,580
the

3101
01:00:06,580 --> 01:00:06,880
physical

3102
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:07,340
changes

3103
01:00:07,340 --> 01:00:07,680
inside

3104
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:07,920
the

3105
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:08,120
barrel

3106
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:08,360
of the

3107
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:08,680
telescope

3108
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,040
of course

3109
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:10,240
it's

3110
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:10,500
not

3111
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:11,220
those

3112
01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:11,560
physical

3113
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:11,920
changes

3114
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:12,100
have

3115
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:12,440
simply

3116
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,320
allowed

3117
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:13,640
us

3118
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,340
to

3119
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:14,620
see

3120
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:14,880
that

3121
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,260
star

3122
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:15,980
and

3123
01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:16,220
that's

3124
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:16,360
what

3125
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:16,500
the

3126
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:16,840
suggestion

3127
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:17,160
is

3128
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:17,400
with

3129
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:17,620
altered

3130
01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:17,920
states

3131
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:18,080
of

3132
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,440
consciousness

3133
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,740
that

3134
01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:20,420
they

3135
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:21,260
retune

3136
01:00:21,260 --> 01:00:21,420
the

3137
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:21,780
receiver

3138
01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:22,260
wavelength

3139
01:00:22,260 --> 01:00:22,540
of the

3140
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:22,820
brain

3141
01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:23,420
and

3142
01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:23,740
allow

3143
01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:24,100
us

3144
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:24,700
to

3145
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:25,100
see

3146
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:25,520
the

3147
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:25,760
wider

3148
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:26,200
reality

3149
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:26,400
that

3150
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:26,520
is

3151
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:26,780
there

3152
01:00:26,780 --> 01:00:27,220
and

3153
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:27,480
in

3154
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:27,760
that

3155
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,460
wider

3156
01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:29,040
reality

3157
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,340
lo and

3158
01:00:30,340 --> 01:00:30,740
behold

3159
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:32,160
we

3160
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,060
encounter

3161
01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:34,060
the

3162
01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:34,360
visitors

3163
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:35,400
and I

3164
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:35,660
think

3165
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:36,400
we've

3166
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:36,560
been

3167
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:37,200
encountering

3168
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:37,340
the

3169
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:37,720
visitors

3170
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:38,420
since

3171
01:00:38,420 --> 01:00:38,620
we

3172
01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:38,960
first

3173
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,420
became

3174
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:39,960
human

3175
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,760
and I

3176
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:41,040
think

3177
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,280
those

3178
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:42,780
encounters

3179
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:44,000
are what

3180
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,500
made

3181
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:44,680
us

3182
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:44,960
human

3183
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,760
and I

3184
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,020
think

3185
01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:46,320
that

3186
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:46,780
cutting

3187
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:47,080
ourselves

3188
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,120
off

3189
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:48,920
from

3190
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,160
those

3191
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:49,640
encounters

3192
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:50,280
is a

3193
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:50,600
fatal

3194
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,000
error

3195
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,600
of our

3196
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,020
civilization

3197
01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:52,580
today

3198
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:53,600
and it

3199
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:53,760
is

3200
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,020
leading

3201
01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:54,440
us

3202
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,380
to

3203
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:55,540
the

3204
01:00:55,540 --> 01:00:55,760
very

3205
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:56,340
edge

3206
01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:56,800
of

3207
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:56,940
the

3208
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:57,420
abyss

3209
01:00:57,420 --> 01:00:58,260
this

3210
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,620
totally

3211
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:00,640
focused

3212
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,500
single-minded

3213
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:02,180
reliance

3214
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:02,500
on the

3215
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:02,860
alert

3216
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:03,720
problem-solving

3217
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:04,140
state of

3218
01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:04,520
consciousness

3219
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:05,220
when that

3220
01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:05,560
state of

3221
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:05,880
consciousness

3222
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,460
should be

3223
01:01:06,460 --> 01:01:07,080
recognized

3224
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:07,560
as only

3225
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:08,320
one part

3226
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,020
of a

3227
01:01:09,020 --> 01:01:09,200
much

3228
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:09,500
broader

3229
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:09,940
spectrum

3230
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:10,660
this is

3231
01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:10,960
what is

3232
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:11,520
leading us

3233
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,380
straight to

3234
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:12,620
hell

3235
01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:13,480
and we

3236
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:13,900
need to

3237
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:14,060
do

3238
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:14,440
something

3239
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,140
about it

3240
01:01:15,140 --> 01:01:15,460
very

3241
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:15,660
very

3242
01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:16,000
soon

3243
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:16,180
and

3244
01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:16,560
perhaps

3245
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:16,820
these

3246
01:01:16,820 --> 01:01:17,180
visitor

3247
01:01:17,180 --> 01:01:17,640
encounters

3248
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,080
are meant

3249
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:18,460
to help

3250
01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:18,620
us

3251
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:18,840
do

3252
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:19,140
that

3253
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:19,540
perhaps

3254
01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:19,760
they're

3255
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:19,880
meant

3256
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:20,040
to

3257
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:20,380
shake

3258
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:20,560
us

3259
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:20,820
out

3260
01:01:20,820 --> 01:01:21,460
of

3261
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:21,620
this

3262
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:22,180
rigid

3263
01:01:22,180 --> 01:01:22,540
frame

3264
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:22,680
of

3265
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:22,880
mind

3266
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,020
that

3267
01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:23,200
we've

3268
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:23,580
got into

3269
01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:24,020
just like

3270
01:01:24,020 --> 01:01:24,180
our

3271
01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:24,720
ancestors

3272
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,040
for a million

3273
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:26,540
years

3274
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:27,560
kept on churning out

3275
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:27,920
the same

3276
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,580
kind of tools

3277
01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:29,640
we're doing it

3278
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:29,900
now

3279
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:30,380
the tools

3280
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:30,760
are better

3281
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:31,720
but we've

3282
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:31,980
got the

3283
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:32,680
same idea

3284
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,600
a technological

3285
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:34,300
fix

3286
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:35,240
is going to be

3287
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:35,680
the answer

3288
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,280
to everything

3289
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,120
we never

3290
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,220
address

3291
01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:39,200
the spiritual

3292
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:39,680
side of

3293
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:39,960
issues

3294
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,640
I believe

3295
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,240
that if we do

3296
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:42,880
not solve

3297
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,860
the spiritual

3298
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:44,360
problems

3299
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,020
we will

3300
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:45,300
never

3301
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:45,760
solve

3302
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,640
the problems

3303
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,440
of the

3304
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:48,240
material world

3305
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,300
so in

3306
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:49,760
conclusion

3307
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,100
I think

3308
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:52,500
it might be

3309
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:52,860
fruitful

3310
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:54,180
to

3311
01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:55,860
add

3312
01:01:55,860 --> 01:01:56,600
targeted

3313
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,400
investigations

3314
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:57,840
of alien

3315
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,320
contacts

3316
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,040
through induced

3317
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,600
altered states

3318
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,120
of consciousness

3319
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,160
this can be done

3320
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,080
it can be done

3321
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:02,700
repeatably

3322
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:03,600
it can be done

3323
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:04,100
with multiple

3324
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:04,620
volunteers

3325
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:06,120
and we can get

3326
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:06,680
some interesting

3327
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:07,080
results

3328
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,600
and secondly

3329
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:08,080
I think

3330
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:08,680
that the

3331
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,100
entire UFO

3332
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:10,620
community

3333
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:11,240
would benefit

3334
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:11,940
from more

3335
01:02:11,940 --> 01:02:12,600
coordination

3336
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,500
with shamans

3337
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:14,820
in surviving

3338
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:15,980
hunter-gatherer

3339
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:16,700
societies

3340
01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:17,600
all around

3341
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:17,920
the world

3342
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:18,660
so that's it

3343
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:18,960
ladies and

3344
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:19,160
gentlemen

3345
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:19,620
thank you

3346
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:20,040
very much

3347
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:38,660
if I'm

3348
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:39,120
ahead of

3349
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:39,420
schedule

3350
01:02:39,420 --> 01:02:40,060
I don't know

3351
01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:40,500
if I am

3352
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:41,960
but if I am

3353
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,620
I'll be very

3354
01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:42,920
happy to

3355
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:43,380
take questions

3356
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:45,580
would anybody

3357
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:46,080
like to ask

3358
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:46,500
me a question

3359
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,020
yes

3360
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:55,540
are we

3361
01:02:55,540 --> 01:02:56,260
androids

3362
01:02:56,260 --> 01:03:01,500
well

3363
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,340
one thing's

3364
01:03:02,340 --> 01:03:02,740
for sure

3365
01:03:02,740 --> 01:03:04,180
what we

3366
01:03:04,180 --> 01:03:04,660
could be

3367
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:05,520
we could

3368
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,080
definitely be

3369
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:06,440
living in

3370
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:06,760
now is

3371
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,520
virtual reality

3372
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:08,520
there's no

3373
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:08,720
doubt

3374
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:08,960
I mean

3375
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,420
the objective

3376
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:09,900
of virtual

3377
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:10,300
reality

3378
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:10,640
is to

3379
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:10,920
create

3380
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:11,080
a

3381
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:11,420
completely

3382
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:11,880
seamless

3383
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:12,460
experience

3384
01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:12,800
where you

3385
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:13,160
don't know

3386
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:13,380
that it's

3387
01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:13,640
virtual

3388
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:14,060
maybe that's

3389
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:14,320
what we're

3390
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:14,720
all having

3391
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:15,440
maybe we

3392
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:16,300
entered some

3393
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:16,580
kind of

3394
01:03:16,580 --> 01:03:17,260
computer game

3395
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:17,840
and we're

3396
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:18,100
going to come

3397
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:18,400
out of it

3398
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:18,800
and see who

3399
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:19,080
won

3400
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,580
after 80

3401
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:20,980
years

3402
01:03:20,980 --> 01:03:21,760
or whatever

3403
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,860
I'm not sure

3404
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:24,340
what the answer

3405
01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:24,840
to your question

3406
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:25,040
is

3407
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:25,360
I think

3408
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,160
the greatest

3409
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:27,680
mystery

3410
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:28,520
in the universe

3411
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,140
is life

3412
01:03:29,140 --> 01:03:30,460
and being alive

3413
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:31,820
and what it is

3414
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:32,260
exactly

3415
01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:33,120
yeah

3416
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:44,640
absolutely

3417
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,200
I do

3418
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:46,900
I do address

3419
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:47,440
this in the

3420
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:47,840
book more

3421
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:48,120
than I've

3422
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:48,340
done

3423
01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:48,820
more than

3424
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:49,080
I've done

3425
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:49,220
here

3426
01:03:49,220 --> 01:03:49,540
and thank

3427
01:03:49,540 --> 01:03:49,760
you for

3428
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:50,660
that helpful

3429
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:51,180
question

3430
01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:53,100
Jung

3431
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:53,800
in his

3432
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,180
book on

3433
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:54,460
flying

3434
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:54,860
sources

3435
01:03:54,860 --> 01:03:56,600
was

3436
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,840
really

3437
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:58,480
foxed

3438
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:58,880
by that

3439
01:03:58,880 --> 01:03:59,320
particular

3440
01:03:59,320 --> 01:03:59,720
problem

3441
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:00,240
because he

3442
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:00,740
wanted to

3443
01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:01,260
say that

3444
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:02,520
that flying

3445
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,640
sources are

3446
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:04,140
largely a

3447
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:04,480
psychic

3448
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,240
phenomenon

3449
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,080
but then he

3450
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:06,680
observed that

3451
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:07,140
some of them

3452
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:07,720
actually show

3453
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:08,320
up on radar

3454
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:08,940
screens

3455
01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:10,420
and so he

3456
01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:10,780
said we

3457
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:11,320
seem to have

3458
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:11,920
something here

3459
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:12,620
that is a

3460
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:13,620
materialized

3461
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:14,280
psychism

3462
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,700
and he

3463
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:16,120
said that

3464
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,180
this materialized

3465
01:04:17,180 --> 01:04:17,740
psychism

3466
01:04:17,740 --> 01:04:18,380
opens a

3467
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:18,880
bottomless

3468
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,560
abyss at my

3469
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,260
feet so I

3470
01:04:20,260 --> 01:04:20,580
will not

3471
01:04:20,580 --> 01:04:21,100
continue

3472
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,420
to explore

3473
01:04:22,420 --> 01:04:22,720
it

3474
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:23,720
and I guess

3475
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:24,100
I'm saying

3476
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:24,600
much the same

3477
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:24,880
thing

3478
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,920
I think

3479
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:26,440
I'll come to

3480
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:26,580
you in a

3481
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:26,720
second

3482
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:27,120
I think

3483
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,620
that if I

3484
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:29,040
were to put

3485
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:29,540
a theory on

3486
01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:29,660
it

3487
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:30,760
I think

3488
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:31,560
that the

3489
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,260
visitor

3490
01:04:32,260 --> 01:04:32,720
phenomenon

3491
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:33,220
is an

3492
01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:33,860
interdimensional

3493
01:04:33,860 --> 01:04:34,400
phenomenon

3494
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,520
that's where

3495
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:35,940
I would put

3496
01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:36,240
my money

3497
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:36,400
on

3498
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,240
I don't

3499
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:37,520
think

3500
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,080
I'm not

3501
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:38,520
sure at

3502
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:38,980
any rate

3503
01:04:38,980 --> 01:04:39,920
that it

3504
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,860
is entirely

3505
01:04:40,860 --> 01:04:42,000
about beings

3506
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:42,560
you know

3507
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:43,020
a bit like

3508
01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:43,340
us

3509
01:04:43,340 --> 01:04:44,260
from other

3510
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:44,700
planets

3511
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:45,280
in this

3512
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:45,620
physical

3513
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:45,980
universe

3514
01:04:45,980 --> 01:04:46,580
maybe many

3515
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:47,080
light years

3516
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:47,340
away

3517
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:47,800
but they're

3518
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,240
all part

3519
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:48,480
of the

3520
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:48,820
same

3521
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:49,640
physical

3522
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:49,960
level

3523
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:50,400
of reality

3524
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:50,720
that we

3525
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:50,880
are

3526
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:51,680
I

3527
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:52,160
think

3528
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:52,360
the

3529
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:52,840
elusive

3530
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:53,280
nature

3531
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:53,580
of the

3532
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:53,920
phenomenon

3533
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:54,240
the way

3534
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:54,600
it shows

3535
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:54,760
up

3536
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:55,160
sometimes

3537
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:55,620
and doesn't

3538
01:04:55,620 --> 01:04:55,980
show up

3539
01:04:55,980 --> 01:04:56,280
sometimes

3540
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:56,560
the way

3541
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:56,700
it's

3542
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:57,260
very hard

3543
01:04:57,260 --> 01:04:57,600
to pin

3544
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,040
down

3545
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:58,900
is more

3546
01:04:58,900 --> 01:04:59,420
consistent

3547
01:04:59,420 --> 01:05:00,120
with some

3548
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:00,460
kind of

3549
01:05:00,460 --> 01:05:01,060
interdimensional

3550
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:01,500
jump

3551
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:01,860
and maybe

3552
01:05:01,860 --> 01:05:02,440
that's what

3553
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,060
the vehicles

3554
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:03,520
are

3555
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,260
they're a

3556
01:05:05,260 --> 01:05:05,960
way of

3557
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:06,340
jumping

3558
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:06,960
dimensions

3559
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:07,760
and going

3560
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,140
back

3561
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:08,320
you know

3562
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:08,660
maybe we

3563
01:05:08,660 --> 01:05:09,420
have interdimensional

3564
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:10,380
explorers

3565
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:11,280
who are

3566
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:11,880
coming

3567
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,820
to the earth

3568
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:13,680
my instinct

3569
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,100
is that

3570
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:14,520
it's to do

3571
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:14,900
with that

3572
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:15,520
that there

3573
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:15,840
is a

3574
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:16,100
physical

3575
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:16,580
component

3576
01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:16,920
to it

3577
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:17,560
there are

3578
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:17,900
physical

3579
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:18,300
traces

3580
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:19,040
but they're

3581
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:19,460
much more

3582
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:19,860
elusive

3583
01:05:19,860 --> 01:05:20,200
than they

3584
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:20,500
would be

3585
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:20,720
if it

3586
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:21,020
were a

3587
01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:21,300
wholly

3588
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:21,760
physical

3589
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:22,340
and material

3590
01:05:22,340 --> 01:05:23,180
phenomenon

3591
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:28,440
you've

3592
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:28,740
spoken

3593
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:29,060
very

3594
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:29,520
eloquently

3595
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,020
about

3596
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:30,700
ayahuasca

3597
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:31,200
but there's

3598
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:31,860
ayahuasca

3599
01:05:31,860 --> 01:05:32,740
and ayahuasca

3600
01:05:32,740 --> 01:05:33,800
and as you

3601
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:34,160
know there are

3602
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:34,760
many types

3603
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:35,500
of ayahuasca

3604
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:36,760
mostly for

3605
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:37,220
people who

3606
01:05:37,220 --> 01:05:37,600
might want

3607
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,020
to go out

3608
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:38,340
and try

3609
01:05:38,340 --> 01:05:38,640
this

3610
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,580
what we've

3611
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:39,940
seen in

3612
01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:40,580
the US

3613
01:05:40,580 --> 01:05:41,860
is because

3614
01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:42,180
there is

3615
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:42,700
an underground

3616
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:43,680
that does

3617
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:44,040
this

3618
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:44,860
generally

3619
01:05:44,860 --> 01:05:45,400
greatly

3620
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,040
diluted

3621
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,700
the effects

3622
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:48,280
are usually

3623
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:48,960
not anywhere

3624
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:49,640
near similar

3625
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:50,060
to what

3626
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:50,900
you experience

3627
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:51,900
but with

3628
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:52,020
the

3629
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:52,660
corondettos

3630
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:52,920
that we

3631
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:53,760
worked with

3632
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:54,420
like I say

3633
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:55,380
the experiences

3634
01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:56,260
are quite

3635
01:05:56,260 --> 01:05:56,680
varied

3636
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:57,940
and also

3637
01:05:57,940 --> 01:05:59,000
as you

3638
01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:59,440
showed when

3639
01:05:59,440 --> 01:05:59,660
they were

3640
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:00,240
making it

3641
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,180
they do

3642
01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:01,340
the

3643
01:06:01,340 --> 01:06:01,860
acaros

3644
01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:03,100
which there

3645
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:03,400
is a

3646
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:03,780
spiritual

3647
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:04,460
component

3648
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:05,040
to this

3649
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,040
as well

3650
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:06,360
as

3651
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,460
psychopharmaceutical

3652
01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:08,460
and as we

3653
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:08,880
discussed

3654
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:09,460
last night

3655
01:06:09,460 --> 01:06:10,100
I'm convinced

3656
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:10,560
it's not

3657
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,160
purely

3658
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,160
psychopharmaceutical

3659
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,480
the setting

3660
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:14,800
the setting

3661
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:15,220
in which

3662
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:15,620
the brew

3663
01:06:15,620 --> 01:06:16,100
is taken

3664
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:17,560
is crucially

3665
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,040
important

3666
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,240
again I'll

3667
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:19,620
come back

3668
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:19,900
to the

3669
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:20,280
analogy

3670
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:20,680
of

3671
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:21,300
focusing

3672
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:22,060
a telescope

3673
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:23,560
the process

3674
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,180
of focusing

3675
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:24,820
a complex

3676
01:06:24,820 --> 01:06:25,220
instrument

3677
01:06:25,220 --> 01:06:25,600
like the

3678
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:26,160
human brain

3679
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,120
doesn't just

3680
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:27,520
involve

3681
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:28,400
psychopharmacology

3682
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,240
it also

3683
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:29,760
involves

3684
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:30,260
the setting

3685
01:06:30,260 --> 01:06:30,600
in which

3686
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:30,940
you do

3687
01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:31,300
that

3688
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:32,200
and your

3689
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:32,760
intent

3690
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:33,360
having a

3691
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:33,880
clear intent

3692
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,260
that's a

3693
01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:34,820
very important

3694
01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:35,260
part

3695
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:35,960
of the

3696
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:36,740
refocusing

3697
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:37,760
exercise

3698
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:38,540
to answer

3699
01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:38,960
your broader

3700
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:39,400
question

3701
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,520
you may or

3702
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:40,920
may not be

3703
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:41,340
aware that

3704
01:06:41,340 --> 01:06:41,820
the Supreme

3705
01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:42,260
Court in

3706
01:06:42,260 --> 01:06:42,580
the United

3707
01:06:42,580 --> 01:06:42,920
States

3708
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:43,300
has now

3709
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:44,140
voted twice

3710
01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:45,100
in favor

3711
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:45,780
of allowing

3712
01:06:45,780 --> 01:06:46,500
religious groups

3713
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:46,980
to use

3714
01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:47,600
ayahuasca

3715
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,360
the federal

3716
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:49,980
police cannot

3717
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:50,660
stop them

3718
01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:51,320
doing so

3719
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,520
and this

3720
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:52,920
is the

3721
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:53,980
Uniao de Vegetal

3722
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:54,760
which is one

3723
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:55,320
of the Brazilian

3724
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,580
syncretic groups

3725
01:06:56,580 --> 01:06:57,620
and also

3726
01:06:57,620 --> 01:06:59,320
the Santo Demi

3727
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,220
who are present

3728
01:07:01,220 --> 01:07:01,820
in the United

3729
01:07:01,820 --> 01:07:02,660
States as well

3730
01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:05,680
there is a

3731
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,020
problem

3732
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:06,660
with

3733
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:07,600
freelance

3734
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:08,220
individuals

3735
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:09,120
with no

3736
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,540
experience

3737
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:11,720
of ayahuasca

3738
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,300
posing as

3739
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:14,000
or purporting

3740
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:14,380
to be

3741
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:15,420
western shamans

3742
01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:16,420
who offer

3743
01:07:16,420 --> 01:07:17,140
ayahuasca

3744
01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:18,140
to increasingly

3745
01:07:18,140 --> 01:07:18,700
large groups

3746
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:19,100
of people

3747
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:20,400
I'm afraid

3748
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,120
that at some

3749
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:21,720
stage

3750
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,280
in the next

3751
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:22,840
few years

3752
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:23,260
we're going

3753
01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:23,940
to see a death

3754
01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:24,440
as a result

3755
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:24,920
of this

3756
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,720
ayahuasca

3757
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:27,360
is a very

3758
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,200
serious business

3759
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,200
it is something

3760
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:29,760
to be

3761
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:30,660
not entered

3762
01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:31,440
into lightly

3763
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,940
rather like

3764
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:34,340
a dangerous

3765
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:34,780
sport

3766
01:07:34,780 --> 01:07:35,200
I would say

3767
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:35,680
rather like

3768
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:36,120
jumping out

3769
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:36,540
of a plane

3770
01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:37,460
or doing

3771
01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:38,180
deep scuba

3772
01:07:38,180 --> 01:07:38,520
diving

3773
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,100
you want to

3774
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:40,140
say to yourself

3775
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:40,660
that what I am

3776
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:41,280
doing is not

3777
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,560
entirely risk free

3778
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,240
and that I must

3779
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,120
take this

3780
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,920
on board

3781
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,960
when I do it

3782
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,040
in the Amazon

3783
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:48,460
they have

3784
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:49,200
thousands of years

3785
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:49,800
of experience

3786
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:50,260
of working

3787
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:51,040
with ayahuasca

3788
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,340
and their shamans

3789
01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:53,560
do by and large

3790
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:54,600
know what to do

3791
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:55,240
when a person

3792
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:55,960
has a troubling

3793
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:56,340
journey

3794
01:07:56,340 --> 01:07:57,920
I'm afraid

3795
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,440
that that's not

3796
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:58,800
the case

3797
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,240
in the west

3798
01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:59,960
and there may be

3799
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:00,880
problems

3800
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:01,720
and difficulties

3801
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:01,960
there

3802
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:02,340
nevertheless

3803
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:04,800
I have a lot

3804
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:05,360
of trust

3805
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:06,420
in the vine

3806
01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:07,660
and I do believe

3807
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:08,260
that a loving

3808
01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:08,720
entity

3809
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,840
who cares

3810
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,300
for the human

3811
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:10,700
race

3812
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:12,380
lies behind it

3813
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:14,580
no great

3814
01:08:14,580 --> 01:08:15,060
adventure

3815
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:15,980
or exploration

3816
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:16,740
can be taken

3817
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:18,260
completely risk free

3818
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:19,660
and that is also

3819
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:20,300
one of the problems

3820
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:21,060
of our society

3821
01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:21,440
today

3822
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:22,220
is that we're

3823
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:22,720
very unwilling

3824
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:23,260
to take

3825
01:08:23,260 --> 01:08:24,440
even intellectual

3826
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:24,880
risks

3827
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:25,700
so I think

3828
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:26,160
we're entering

3829
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:26,900
a new area

3830
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:27,240
here

3831
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,200
I think

3832
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:28,940
western culture

3833
01:08:28,940 --> 01:08:29,780
is going to

3834
01:08:29,780 --> 01:08:30,620
have to adjust

3835
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:31,720
and adapt

3836
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:32,180
to it

3837
01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:33,540
western culture

3838
01:08:33,540 --> 01:08:34,480
will not succeed

3839
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:35,680
in crushing it

3840
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,560
and suppressing it

3841
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,360
it must adapt

3842
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:37,640
to it

3843
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:38,180
and the signs

3844
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:38,780
are in the United

3845
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:39,140
States

3846
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:39,580
that that is

3847
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:40,240
already happening

3848
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,000
so I'm optimistic

3849
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,560
for the future

3850
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,000
but it's going

3851
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:43,720
to be a rocky road

3852
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,120
I would just say

3853
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:45,900
if you're going

3854
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:46,420
to go down

3855
01:08:46,420 --> 01:08:47,080
check out

3856
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,040
the shamans first

3857
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,140
definitely check out

3858
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:49,660
the shamans first

3859
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:51,500
like any field

3860
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:52,420
there are charlatans

3861
01:08:52,420 --> 01:08:52,880
operating

3862
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,940
according to

3863
01:08:55,940 --> 01:08:56,780
Micah Salva

3864
01:08:56,780 --> 01:08:57,960
one third

3865
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,140
of the ETs

3866
01:08:59,140 --> 01:08:59,800
are good

3867
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,180
are bad

3868
01:09:01,180 --> 01:09:01,860
and two thirds

3869
01:09:01,860 --> 01:09:02,380
are good

3870
01:09:02,380 --> 01:09:03,580
and this might be

3871
01:09:03,580 --> 01:09:04,360
with the shamans

3872
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:04,780
also

3873
01:09:04,780 --> 01:09:06,100
because I had

3874
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:06,820
an unbelievable

3875
01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:07,700
experience about

3876
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:08,560
six months ago

3877
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:09,780
I was at a lecture

3878
01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:10,180
there was only

3879
01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:10,940
about six people

3880
01:09:10,940 --> 01:09:11,200
there

3881
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,200
and she's very

3882
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:12,820
experienced

3883
01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:13,300
this girl

3884
01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:14,180
and she was

3885
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:15,100
dowsing over

3886
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:15,700
a shaman

3887
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:16,560
just his name

3888
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:17,680
and I felt

3889
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:18,540
a big ball

3890
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:19,160
of energy

3891
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,040
jump into my

3892
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:20,400
body

3893
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,000
and I actually

3894
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:21,740
screamed

3895
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:22,760
and I thought

3896
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:23,280
I just picked

3897
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:23,960
up energies

3898
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,040
and when I got

3899
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:25,460
home

3900
01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:26,500
I realized

3901
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:27,080
I picked up

3902
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:27,540
a lot of

3903
01:09:27,540 --> 01:09:27,900
entities

3904
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:29,340
and I have

3905
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:29,920
an energy

3906
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:30,560
machine that

3907
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:30,900
gets rid

3908
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:31,480
of entities

3909
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:32,460
so

3910
01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:33,280
but this

3911
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:33,860
it took me

3912
01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:34,740
a whole month

3913
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:36,180
and probably

3914
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:36,600
there's still

3915
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,660
10% left

3916
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:38,860
so I think

3917
01:09:38,860 --> 01:09:39,400
it could also

3918
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:40,360
be very dangerous

3919
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:40,980
dealing with

3920
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:41,520
shamans

3921
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:42,540
plus there are

3922
01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:43,580
demonic forces

3923
01:09:43,580 --> 01:09:44,480
and according

3924
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:45,380
to Coast to Coast

3925
01:09:45,380 --> 01:09:46,180
if you get

3926
01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:47,000
demonic forces

3927
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:47,940
you feel burning

3928
01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:48,680
in your body

3929
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:49,840
and I've never

3930
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,460
felt burning

3931
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:51,380
into my body

3932
01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:52,240
except after

3933
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:52,740
this thing

3934
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:53,480
with the shaman

3935
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:55,260
yes thank you

3936
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:56,080
you're making

3937
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:56,860
a very important

3938
01:09:56,860 --> 01:09:57,280
point

3939
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,520
and I will

3940
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:59,480
elaborate on that

3941
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:00,660
just a little bit

3942
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:03,620
yes the spirit

3943
01:10:03,620 --> 01:10:05,140
world is not

3944
01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:05,620
all good

3945
01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:08,080
seems that

3946
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,500
the whole of

3947
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:10,700
reality is

3948
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:11,660
pervaded by

3949
01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:14,040
this duality

3950
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:14,600
between good

3951
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:14,960
and evil

3952
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,240
and I believe

3953
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:16,660
that that

3954
01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:17,680
pervades

3955
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,200
spirit realms

3956
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,000
as well as

3957
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:20,800
physical realms

3958
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,540
when you venture

3959
01:10:22,540 --> 01:10:23,420
into those realms

3960
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:24,120
you must armor

3961
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:24,900
yourself against

3962
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:25,240
that

3963
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,120
you must

3964
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,460
you must

3965
01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:27,860
be

3966
01:10:27,860 --> 01:10:29,220
very clear

3967
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:30,200
in your intent

3968
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,180
and in

3969
01:10:31,180 --> 01:10:32,120
what you are doing

3970
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:32,960
it is not

3971
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:33,980
it is not

3972
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:34,720
risk free

3973
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:35,860
to step into

3974
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:36,720
the spirit world

3975
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:37,860
but it's not

3976
01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:38,460
risk free

3977
01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:39,440
to step into

3978
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:40,280
this physical world

3979
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:40,620
either

3980
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:41,780
and this physical world

3981
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:42,300
is full

3982
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:43,540
of evil

3983
01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:44,820
and wickedness

3984
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:46,160
which beams

3985
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:46,940
itself to us

3986
01:10:46,940 --> 01:10:47,820
all the time

3987
01:10:47,820 --> 01:10:48,860
so I think

3988
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:49,260
that actually

3989
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:49,800
we're more

3990
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:50,400
in danger

3991
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,320
at a spiritual

3992
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:52,780
level

3993
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:53,680
from our

3994
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,120
experiences

3995
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:54,780
in this realm

3996
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:55,240
than we are

3997
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,000
in the spirit world

3998
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:56,960
but nevertheless

3999
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:57,880
it's important

4000
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:58,540
to take care

4001
01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:00,020
the visions

4002
01:11:00,020 --> 01:11:01,100
that were ensued

4003
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:01,900
with these drugs

4004
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:02,920
for 2012

4005
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:03,800
the spiritual

4006
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:04,860
aspect of it

4007
01:11:04,860 --> 01:11:05,520
and the other

4008
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,140
thing I was curious

4009
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:07,000
about your father

4010
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:07,600
you said that

4011
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,720
you had visions

4012
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,920
of your father

4013
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,500
and I was curious

4014
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,560
about your experience

4015
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:12,060
if you'd like

4016
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:12,620
to share that

4017
01:11:12,620 --> 01:11:15,040
with the

4018
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:15,580
Ibogaine

4019
01:11:15,580 --> 01:11:18,800
I sensed

4020
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:19,440
my father's

4021
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:19,880
presence

4022
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:20,600
on the very

4023
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,240
outskirts

4024
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:21,860
of a crowd

4025
01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:22,420
of ghosts

4026
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:23,020
that appeared

4027
01:11:23,020 --> 01:11:23,460
to be

4028
01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:24,760
surrounding me

4029
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,040
it was an

4030
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:26,840
elusive presence

4031
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,400
and I felt

4032
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:28,700
that

4033
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:29,280
you see

4034
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:29,660
I felt

4035
01:11:29,660 --> 01:11:30,660
very bad

4036
01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:31,240
after my father

4037
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:31,480
died

4038
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:32,220
because I wasn't

4039
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:32,560
with him

4040
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:33,260
on his deathbed

4041
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:35,420
he lived

4042
01:11:35,420 --> 01:11:36,000
a long way

4043
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,300
from me

4044
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:37,180
500 miles

4045
01:11:37,180 --> 01:11:38,940
and he was

4046
01:11:38,940 --> 01:11:39,640
dying of cancer

4047
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:40,160
we were going

4048
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,040
up and seeing him

4049
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,000
every week

4050
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:42,400
and spending

4051
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:42,860
a few days

4052
01:11:42,860 --> 01:11:43,260
and then I had

4053
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:43,660
to go back

4054
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:44,080
home

4055
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,680
and work

4056
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:46,920
and he seemed

4057
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:47,720
fine and I went

4058
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:48,240
back home

4059
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:49,020
and then he died

4060
01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:50,880
and I wasn't

4061
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,140
there

4062
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:52,380
I felt very bad

4063
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:52,800
about it

4064
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,560
I did get

4065
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,380
some closure

4066
01:11:56,380 --> 01:11:56,900
on this

4067
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:57,460
with the

4068
01:11:57,460 --> 01:11:58,280
Ibogaine experience

4069
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,000
and with

4070
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,080
Ayahuasca

4071
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,740
but

4072
01:12:01,740 --> 01:12:03,860
I don't think

4073
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:04,220
I'm quite

4074
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:05,720
there yet

4075
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:06,240
I think

4076
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:06,880
I need

4077
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,140
to do

4078
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:07,480
more

4079
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:08,400
and maybe

4080
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,240
this gap

4081
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:11,380
of communication

4082
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:12,120
between myself

4083
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:12,760
and my father

4084
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,600
is rooted

4085
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,800
in very many

4086
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:16,260
years

4087
01:12:16,260 --> 01:12:17,100
going back

4088
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:17,680
and it still

4089
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,540
continues

4090
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:19,200
now that he's

4091
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:19,560
in the spirit

4092
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:19,800
world

4093
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,420
no

4094
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:23,460
I saw him

4095
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:24,160
but he didn't

4096
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:24,800
speak to me

4097
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,620
who he has

4098
01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:26,200
spoken to

4099
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:26,920
again and

4100
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:27,500
again and

4101
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:27,900
again

4102
01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:28,400
is my

4103
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:28,740
wonderful

4104
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:29,060
wife

4105
01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:29,380
Santa

4106
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:31,460
he speaks

4107
01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:31,960
to Santa

4108
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:32,500
but he won't

4109
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:33,100
speak to me

4110
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:35,200
I keep on

4111
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:35,480
hoping

4112
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:37,840
vision from

4113
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:38,420
2012

4114
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:39,260
I think

4115
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:41,940
the most

4116
01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:42,840
important thing

4117
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:43,860
this may not be

4118
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:44,600
directly answering

4119
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:45,020
your question

4120
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:45,440
but I'm just

4121
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:45,780
going to say

4122
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:46,200
this anyway

4123
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:46,560
the most

4124
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,140
important thing

4125
01:12:47,140 --> 01:12:47,720
that all of us

4126
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:48,240
can do

4127
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,660
is to

4128
01:12:49,660 --> 01:12:51,020
manifest

4129
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:52,580
and express

4130
01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:53,980
and will

4131
01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:54,840
and focus

4132
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:55,580
our intent

4133
01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:56,340
on a good

4134
01:12:56,340 --> 01:12:56,860
outcome

4135
01:12:56,860 --> 01:12:57,820
to 2012

4136
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:58,600
and for God's

4137
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:59,020
sake let's

4138
01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:59,640
stop dwelling

4139
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,140
on this

4140
01:13:00,140 --> 01:13:01,240
destruction

4141
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,280
and chaos

4142
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:02,720
and the

4143
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,340
collapse of the

4144
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:03,640
world

4145
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:04,220
and the

4146
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:04,580
global

4147
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:05,000
tidal

4148
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:05,300
wave

4149
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:05,980
and I

4150
01:13:05,980 --> 01:13:06,200
don't want

4151
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:06,440
to hear

4152
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:06,760
any more

4153
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:07,260
about that

4154
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:07,840
we are

4155
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:08,460
manifesting

4156
01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:08,800
that

4157
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,900
let's

4158
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:14,500
let's

4159
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:15,240
manifest a

4160
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:15,980
good future

4161
01:13:15,980 --> 01:13:16,420
world

4162
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:17,040
let's not

4163
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:17,820
manifest the

4164
01:13:17,820 --> 01:13:18,300
destruction

4165
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:18,680
of this

4166
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:18,980
beautiful

4167
01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:19,380
planet

4168
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:20,660
yeah

4169
01:13:20,660 --> 01:13:21,260
hello

4170
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:23,220
do you

4171
01:13:23,220 --> 01:13:23,680
care to

4172
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:24,340
comment

4173
01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:24,740
on

4174
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:26,020
well there's

4175
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:26,500
many different

4176
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:27,020
tryptamines

4177
01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:27,680
being prescribed

4178
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:28,100
to people

4179
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:28,580
right now

4180
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:28,940
yeah

4181
01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:29,360
absolutely

4182
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:29,720
and

4183
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,300
do you

4184
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:31,620
have any

4185
01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:32,220
ideas about

4186
01:13:32,220 --> 01:13:32,660
pharmaceutical

4187
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:33,180
companies

4188
01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:33,780
messing with

4189
01:13:33,780 --> 01:13:34,440
tryptamines

4190
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:35,540
yeah I

4191
01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:35,800
do

4192
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:36,240
they haven't

4193
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:36,680
got a clue

4194
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:37,020
what they're

4195
01:13:37,020 --> 01:13:37,320
doing

4196
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:38,240
they haven't

4197
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,660
got a clue

4198
01:13:38,660 --> 01:13:39,020
what they're

4199
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:39,380
doing

4200
01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:41,340
seroxat

4201
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:41,800
and

4202
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,300
prozac

4203
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:43,780
both

4204
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:45,040
SSRI

4205
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,360
antidepressants

4206
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,140
operate

4207
01:13:47,140 --> 01:13:48,720
on the

4208
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:49,240
serotonin

4209
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,080
system

4210
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:50,520
just as

4211
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:50,980
tryptamines

4212
01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:51,280
do

4213
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,700
and

4214
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:53,880
I think

4215
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:54,240
that what

4216
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:54,640
we're

4217
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,020
you know

4218
01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:55,660
they're dealing

4219
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:56,140
with the

4220
01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:57,140
psychopharmacology

4221
01:13:57,140 --> 01:13:57,920
of shamanism

4222
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:58,920
they've

4223
01:13:58,920 --> 01:13:59,980
targeted it

4224
01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:00,680
to take out

4225
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:01,420
everything that's

4226
01:14:01,420 --> 01:14:02,160
valuable in the

4227
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:02,820
experience

4228
01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:04,180
and left it as

4229
01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:04,780
something that I

4230
01:14:04,780 --> 01:14:05,340
think is long

4231
01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:06,120
term incredibly

4232
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:06,680
dangerous

4233
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:07,760
incredibly

4234
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:08,200
dangerous

4235
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:08,860
which is being

4236
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:09,660
done entirely

4237
01:14:09,660 --> 01:14:10,260
for profit

4238
01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:11,520
so the over

4239
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:12,440
prescription

4240
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:14,280
of antidepressants

4241
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,120
in our society

4242
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:15,900
is again

4243
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:16,380
one of the

4244
01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:17,040
very very big

4245
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:17,840
problems we have

4246
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:18,280
and personally

4247
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,040
I would do away

4248
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:19,700
with the entire

4249
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:20,320
discipline of

4250
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:20,860
psychology

4251
01:14:20,860 --> 01:14:25,360
thank you

4252
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,940
say again

4253
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:32,220
well I could go

4254
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:32,740
more sinister

4255
01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:33,180
than that

4256
01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:36,960
I think

4257
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:37,800
that you know

4258
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:38,220
the mass

4259
01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:38,940
medication of

4260
01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:39,460
the population

4261
01:14:39,460 --> 01:14:39,820
is very

4262
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:41,660
very disturbing

4263
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:42,940
phenomenon in

4264
01:14:42,940 --> 01:14:43,420
our society

4265
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:44,240
we live in a

4266
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:44,960
highly controlled

4267
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:45,520
society

4268
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,500
there is no

4269
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:47,120
real freedom

4270
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:47,620
of thought

4271
01:14:47,620 --> 01:14:48,460
there is freedom

4272
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:48,860
of choice

4273
01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:49,700
between ten

4274
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:50,340
different brands

4275
01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:50,880
of washing up

4276
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:51,180
powder

4277
01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:51,940
or ten

4278
01:14:51,940 --> 01:14:52,540
different washing

4279
01:14:52,540 --> 01:14:52,920
machines

4280
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,380
or a hundred

4281
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:54,060
different cars

4282
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:55,440
but real choices

4283
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:56,080
about our life

4284
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:56,500
we don't have

4285
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:57,260
any freedom at all

4286
01:14:57,260 --> 01:14:58,180
the information

4287
01:14:58,180 --> 01:14:58,960
that's bombarded

4288
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:59,660
at us by the

4289
01:14:59,660 --> 01:15:00,500
media every day

4290
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:01,280
by our politicians

4291
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:02,520
we know in our

4292
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:03,520
hearts it's all lies

4293
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,560
but what's the truth

4294
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:04,880
you know

4295
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,720
we are living

4296
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:07,620
in a society

4297
01:15:07,620 --> 01:15:08,540
of sophisticated

4298
01:15:08,540 --> 01:15:09,660
mind control

4299
01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:11,000
and pharmacology

4300
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:11,720
is part of that

4301
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:12,120
I think

4302
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:12,620
yeah

4303
01:15:12,620 --> 01:15:13,320
yes

4304
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:13,640
yes

4305
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,720
no

4306
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,860
they haven't

4307
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:19,640
and no more

4308
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,120
experiments

4309
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:20,800
have been allowed

4310
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,720
but if

4311
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,260
more experiments

4312
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:25,120
were to be allowed

4313
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:25,840
I think that would

4314
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:26,200
be the most

4315
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:26,720
interesting thing

4316
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:27,000
to do

4317
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,120
I think it would

4318
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,300
be very valuable

4319
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:29,880
I know Rick

4320
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,460
Strassman would

4321
01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:31,300
like to do that

4322
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:32,840
yeah

4323
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,140
yes

4324
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:35,060
I have a question

4325
01:15:35,060 --> 01:15:36,680
who where

4326
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,220
I have a

4327
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:37,680
yes

4328
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,480
I think psychology

4329
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:41,200
has its good

4330
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:41,600
points

4331
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:42,400
pharmacology

4332
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:43,340
is also

4333
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:44,000
shutting people

4334
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,360
down

4335
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,720
because

4336
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:47,000
they don't

4337
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:47,340
want them

4338
01:15:47,340 --> 01:15:48,140
to be conscious

4339
01:15:48,140 --> 01:15:48,660
and if you

4340
01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:49,020
can take

4341
01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:49,400
a drug

4342
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:49,880
instead of

4343
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:50,540
being conscious

4344
01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:51,300
it's easier

4345
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:52,300
but it's

4346
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:53,140
also stupid

4347
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:54,180
in many times

4348
01:15:54,180 --> 01:15:54,960
in many cases

4349
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,740
my question

4350
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:57,500
is when

4351
01:15:57,500 --> 01:15:58,020
do we work

4352
01:15:58,020 --> 01:15:58,420
with

4353
01:15:58,420 --> 01:16:00,220
the drug

4354
01:16:00,220 --> 01:16:00,840
and the

4355
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,280
pineal

4356
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:01,920
does it

4357
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:02,580
also kick

4358
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:03,180
back into

4359
01:16:03,180 --> 01:16:03,460
the

4360
01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:04,260
dual

4361
01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:06,440
oblongata

4362
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:08,480
sorry

4363
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:08,680
don't

4364
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,000
understand

4365
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,200
you

4366
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:10,200
the medulla

4367
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:10,900
oblongata

4368
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:11,520
in the back

4369
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,540
to trigger

4370
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:13,100
the vision

4371
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:13,960
and

4372
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,320
does it

4373
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:15,740
also go

4374
01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:16,060
into the

4375
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:16,540
reptilian

4376
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:17,000
brain

4377
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,100
for some

4378
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:19,320
of the

4379
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:19,540
trip

4380
01:16:19,540 --> 01:16:19,840
or have you

4381
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:20,300
researched

4382
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:20,660
how it

4383
01:16:20,660 --> 01:16:20,920
affects

4384
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:21,340
the brain

4385
01:16:21,340 --> 01:16:22,160
I have

4386
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:22,600
researched

4387
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:22,980
how it

4388
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:23,260
affects

4389
01:16:23,260 --> 01:16:23,660
the brain

4390
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:24,440
to some

4391
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:25,420
extent

4392
01:16:25,420 --> 01:16:27,140
the

4393
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:29,360
mechanism

4394
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,280
by which

4395
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:31,180
visionary

4396
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:31,780
experiences

4397
01:16:31,780 --> 01:16:32,420
are produced

4398
01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:33,500
as far as

4399
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:33,980
I know

4400
01:16:33,980 --> 01:16:34,580
is not

4401
01:16:34,580 --> 01:16:34,980
understood

4402
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:36,040
it's not

4403
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:36,360
understood

4404
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:36,840
at all

4405
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,920
in fact

4406
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:38,960
to be

4407
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:39,300
honest

4408
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:40,480
I think

4409
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:41,000
I'm correct

4410
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:41,480
in saying

4411
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:42,000
that consciousness

4412
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,860
itself is not

4413
01:16:42,860 --> 01:16:43,260
understood

4414
01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:44,020
consciousness

4415
01:16:44,020 --> 01:16:44,980
is indeed

4416
01:16:44,980 --> 01:16:45,860
the greatest

4417
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:46,880
mystery

4418
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,040
of science

4419
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,200
we don't

4420
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:49,540
know

4421
01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:50,380
what's going

4422
01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:50,820
on here

4423
01:16:50,820 --> 01:16:52,240
and unfortunately

4424
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,160
and you know

4425
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:53,960
perhaps you and I

4426
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:54,920
would disagree

4427
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:55,480
on this

4428
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:56,300
unfortunately

4429
01:16:56,300 --> 01:16:59,340
with the

4430
01:16:59,340 --> 01:17:00,180
demonization

4431
01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:01,980
of

4432
01:17:01,980 --> 01:17:02,580
visionary

4433
01:17:02,580 --> 01:17:03,260
plants

4434
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:03,660
that has

4435
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:04,280
taken place

4436
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:04,600
in our

4437
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,080
society

4438
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:05,680
it becomes

4439
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,220
impossible

4440
01:17:06,220 --> 01:17:06,740
or almost

4441
01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:07,140
impossible

4442
01:17:07,140 --> 01:17:07,540
to get

4443
01:17:07,540 --> 01:17:07,940
permission

4444
01:17:07,940 --> 01:17:08,460
to do

4445
01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:08,980
detailed

4446
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:09,480
research

4447
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:09,840
on this

4448
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,160
subject

4449
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:11,160
to explore

4450
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:11,740
it further

4451
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:12,680
to really

4452
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,400
find out

4453
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,640
what is

4454
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:15,900
going on

4455
01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:17,040
and we

4456
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:17,540
just don't

4457
01:17:17,540 --> 01:17:17,820
know

4458
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:18,780
the answers

4459
01:17:18,780 --> 01:17:20,200
at the

4460
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:20,440
moment

4461
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:20,960
it is true

4462
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:21,760
that different

4463
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:22,260
bits of the

4464
01:17:22,260 --> 01:17:22,860
brain light

4465
01:17:22,860 --> 01:17:23,240
up in

4466
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:23,560
different

4467
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,280
experiences

4468
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:25,900
I don't

4469
01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:26,520
have chapter

4470
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:26,920
and verse

4471
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:27,320
on that

4472
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,100
but the

4473
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:28,720
medics

4474
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:29,140
who work

4475
01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:29,600
with that

4476
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,200
are then

4477
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:30,560
unable

4478
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,260
to explain

4479
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:31,740
how the

4480
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:32,220
experience

4481
01:17:32,220 --> 01:17:32,800
manifests

4482
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,240
from that

4483
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:33,500
bit of

4484
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:33,620
the

4485
01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:33,900
brain

4486
01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:34,520
lighting

4487
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:34,800
up

4488
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:35,280
that's

4489
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:35,560
that's

4490
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:35,820
all I

4491
01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:35,920
know

4492
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:36,200
right

4493
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:36,720
because we

4494
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:37,020
don't really

4495
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:37,700
understand it

4496
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:39,300
and we don't research it

4497
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:40,220
we don't research it

4498
01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:41,280
it's not investigated

4499
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:49,340
right and I think that when an active ingredient is extracted at least in some of the shaman they take the whole plant

4500
01:17:49,340 --> 01:17:50,980
correct

4501
01:17:50,980 --> 01:17:52,340
the vine and the leaves

4502
01:17:52,340 --> 01:18:03,740
and we don't just take the active part and say it may not work in your body but we can make a profit on this and we are going to not allow anything else in

4503
01:18:03,740 --> 01:18:05,620
we can't make a profit on this

4504
01:18:05,620 --> 01:18:14,840
I think you've identified a huge problem that they identify what they think is the active ingredient not realizing that that active ingredient is mediated by other ingredients around it

4505
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:19,240
well I think it's like taking the THC and throwing away the rest of the cannabis plant you know

4506
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:35,640
well what I know is consciousness is wholeness it's all of us it's it's all components and taking drugs at any point where you raise our barrier into areas where people may or may not know how to protect themselves can be dangerous

4507
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:42,720
undoubtedly undoubtedly so can so can so can jumping out of an airplane with a parachute but it's also interesting

4508
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,680
right well and you wouldn't want to do it without a parachute either

4509
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:46,880
no you certainly wouldn't

4510
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,960
one more question

4511
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,120
yeah I think one last question

4512
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:53,400
okay

4513
01:18:53,400 --> 01:19:00,860
I had a question relating to shamanism and your young quote

4514
01:19:00,860 --> 01:19:08,260
do you think ritual magic has anything to do with what you had been saying about physical manifestation of psychism?

4515
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:13,000
oh how can I answer that question

4516
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,600
it's uh it it what is what do you mean by ritual magic?

4517
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,340
ask your question again

4518
01:19:20,340 --> 01:19:38,020
um it's it essentially I'm I'm I'm just asking how uh because I know that many magicians uh um kind of take the same route as as as shamans in in in in calling upon spirits or or or using things in in a sort of ethereal world and and bringing that more into the physical plane

4519
01:19:38,020 --> 01:19:44,500
we've come more and more to rely on mechanical advantage and on technological solutions to problems

4520
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:49,060
uh you know after all you know if we could really develop telepathy who would need the bloody telephone

4521
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:51,380
thank you very much thank you grant

4522
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:12,660
thank you very much

4523
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:14,420
thank you Pat

4524
01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:15,060
thank you

4525
01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:17,060
thank you

4526
01:20:17,060 --> 01:20:17,780
thank you

4527
01:20:17,780 --> 01:20:19,380
thank you

4528
01:20:19,380 --> 01:20:19,860
thank you

4529
01:20:19,860 --> 01:20:33,300
my

4530
01:20:33,300 --> 01:21:03,280
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