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For too long, the American spirit has been dimmed by a veil of secrecy,

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by a government that has grown too comfortable in the shadows, denying us the transparency we deserve.

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But today, we stand at the dawn of a new era where the light of truth begins to shine through.

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A few weeks ago, President Donald Trump made a historic announcement.

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With the stroke of a pen, he committed to declassifying the files concerning the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy,

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Robert F. Kennedy, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., a decision not just monumental, but pivotal.

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It is with profound honor that I have been entrusted by Speaker Mike Johnson and Chairman James Comer to lead the House Oversight Task Force on Declassification of Federal Secrets.

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This will no longer be a task force that makes bold promises only to fade into irrelevance or send strongly worded letters.

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This will be a relentless pursuit of truth and transparency, and we will not stop until the American people have the answers they deserve.

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We will be conducting investigations into the following.

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The assassinations of JFK, RFK, and Dr. Martin Luther King.

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Unidentified aerial phenomena, also known as UAPs.

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Unidentified submerged objects, also known as USOs.

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The Epstein client list.

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The origins of COVID-19 and the 9-11 files.

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Our first investigation will be announced, but it's going to be covering on a thorough investigation into the John F. Kennedy assassination.

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And I can tell you, based on what I've been seeing so far, the initial hearing that was actually held here in Congress was actually faulty in the single-bolt theory.

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I believe that there were two shooters.

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And we should be finding more information as we are able to gain access into the SCIF, hopefully before the files are actually released to the public.

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The biggest information problems that we've had with UAPs is the amount of stonewalling, stove piping.

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And also, it seems that there is this push to gaslight the American people into looking at the evidence and then not fully believing it.

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Why is it that members of Congress who are given a top-secret security clearance are being denied access?

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G'day and welcome back to Reality Check.

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I'm Ross Coulthart.

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And today, we're interviewing Matthew Pines, who's just taken on the role as Executive Director of a DC-based think tank called the Bitcoin Policy Institute,

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which is a non-profit that explores and researches the policy and societal implications of Bitcoin and cyber currency.

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But, of course, that's not why we've brought him here today.

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In previous roles, he's advised the U.S. government on national preparedness and emerging technology,

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and he's also served as Director of Intelligence for a geopolitical and cyber security consultancy.

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Matthew studied physics and philosophy at John Hopkins University and went on to earn a master's degree, with distinction, from the London School of Economics.

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He's also been conspicuous in his commentary and analysis on the emerging UAP mystery.

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Is there a cover-up?

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And in that capacity, he's taken on a role as a strategic advisor for Alex Clocus' Enya Explorers Club,

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which includes Jake Barber's Skywatcher operation.

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And incredible, as it may sound to the people that Matthew probably normally advises,

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Skywatcher has at its heart allegations that a cadre of people inside the U.S. government and private aerospace

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have secretly colluded to conceal the recovery of non-human technology, alien craft, from public knowledge.

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Skywatcher is an independent, private equity-funded initiative that intends to prove something the Pentagon categorically denies,

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that there is evidence of non-human intelligence engaging with this planet,

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and that alien tech really has been, and can be, recovered and hopefully reverse-engineered,

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this time by good old-fashioned capitalistic private enterprise through Skywatcher,

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rather than the dark forces of the so-called deep state.

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Matthew Pines, I have to say, firstly, welcome to Reality Check.

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And isn't covering UAPs one hell of a pivot from what you normally do in the sober world of national security?

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Well, first off, thank you, Ross.

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I've admired your work, and I appreciate you bringing me on to your show.

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So it may seem like that, but my through-line throughout my sort of academic and professional career

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has always been thinking about, one, frontier subjects.

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When I was a young lad, I thought I was going to get a PhD in physics,

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maybe even a PhD in philosophy at the same time.

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So I was always interested in these more foundational and kind of frontier questions,

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and then embarked on a career in national security where a lot of the analysis and work I did

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was focused on these what-if questions, like what if there is an improvised nuclear device sort of terrorist attack?

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What if there is full-on nuclear war?

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What if there are crippling cyber attacks?

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What if you have global pandemics?

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These sort of low-probability, high-consequence events are things the government has to plan and prepare for.

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And so I did a lot of analysis exercises, operational experimentation,

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and try to sketch out what those scenarios might look like.

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And so UAPs, as sort of fantastical as they are,

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this sort of represent maybe the most high-consequence and maybe prima facie, low-probability scenario,

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but which would have significant implications.

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And so even if you think it's unlikely, you have to take it seriously if there are credible indications,

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as came to the fore over the past number of years, that this is a scenario that can't just be dismissed.

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this is a what-if scenario that had to be addressed very seriously.

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And I think it's only become more pressing over the years.

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I noticed, Matthew, that just a few days ago you tweeted the answers to questions that Lou Elizondo,

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a former senior Pentagon UAP investigator,

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answered back to the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability in the House of Reps.

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And I thought it was actually quite an important series of answers to the questions.

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Lou was basically asked by the committee,

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does any branch of the U.S. government or defense contractors, aerospace and otherwise,

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possess technology derived from a non-human source?

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And Lou's always, you know, he's a bit of a tease.

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He sort of sometimes swallows his words slightly and he's very careful.

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But this time, he said quite definitively,

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ATIP engaged senior executives at DOD, defense aerospace companies,

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who claimed they possessed recovered exotic material not made by any U.S. or foreign source.

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Because these executives indicated they could no longer glean additional insight from such material,

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they initially agreed to allow ATIP or SAP to take control of the material.

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the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program,

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or SAP, which basically talked about how there was an allocation of money

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for defense intelligence agency, or SAP, to go to a skiff at Bigelow Aerospace

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due to a UAP material divestment plan proposed by Lockheed Martin Space Systems.

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Now, it doesn't get much blunter than that.

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That's pretty categorical, isn't it?

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Yes, and I think it's an indication of where we are

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and kind of this divergence between the high-fidelity alleged facts

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that paint a pretty stark picture of the reality of these retrieval programs,

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the reality of kind of the bureaucratic apparatus that has been constructed around them

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and sort of the recent history of evolution of that set of programs

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and what you would call kind of the mainstream national security reporting community

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that doesn't seem to have picked up on that fact.

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Who do you believe, Matthew?

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And I'm asking you for your personal opinion.

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Who's right and who's wrong?

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Is there an egregious cover-up going on inside what Donald Trump refers to as the deep state,

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concealing the existence of recovered non-human technology?

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What's your position?

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I think it is very likely that we have recovered technologies of unknown origin

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as referenced in the UAP Disclosure Act,

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and that technologies of unknown origin refers to, you know,

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technologies that can't be associated with a known means of human manufacture

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and that we've sort of prosaically termed non-human intelligence as the standard origin.

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I believe that is likely the case.

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If a man of your undoubted intelligence and capabilities comes to that conclusion

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based on the available evidence, what the hell's going on in Congress?

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Because this is really what I'm interested in getting from you,

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is you've worked in Congress.

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I noticed that you've got on your CV, you've worked for a congressman yourself.

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What's going on in the House?

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Because they're pretty junior people on this Nancy Mace,

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sorry, I beg your pardon, on this Anna Paulina Luna committee

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that's doing the task force into UAPs.

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Are we really going to see any moving of the needle

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with this committee that's been set up to investigate UAPs?

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I'm cautiously optimistic.

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I think in our modern American political environment,

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there's always a mix between the show, right?

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Things done for sort of mimetic intention to sort of draw attention

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and improve kind of the personal status of these individuals.

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And most individuals in American politics,

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fundamentally they have to be celebrities to be reelected.

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And there's a lot of attention that motive,

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there's a lot of motivation that is about attracting attention

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and trying to carve out a niche, right?

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So that's just a fundamental dynamic in American politics at the moment.

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And I think there's a number of these individuals

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that have sort of seized on this topic as, you know, their cause celeb.

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Now, you know, that means there's always two levels going on.

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There's kind of what you would call more the trivial level,

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the level of social media, of attention-grabbing announcements

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and, you know, kind of somewhat hyperbolic claims,

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maybe even hyper-partisan claims.

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And then there's the second level, which is the,

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structural level, which is this is a task force that's, you know,

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duly convened as part of the House Oversight Committee.

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The chairman of that committee has said that he'll, you know,

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support subpoenas if necessary.

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And that the subjects of their investigations are not just UAPs,

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but sort of a whole litany of kind of legacy historical, you know,

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discussions around, you know, fraught issues, right?

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JFK, COVID origins, et cetera.

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Now, one critical dynamic is that these are the same party as the party in power.

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And the new officials that have been appointed and nominated to serve as, you know,

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cabinet secretaries overseeing these different bureaucracies will be the subjects of subpoenas,

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you know, nominally from members of their own party on the Hill.

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And usually that's not the way things work, right?

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Usually there's a level of comedy and deference and sort of cooperation behind the scenes.

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So one way this could work, this could play out essentially these meetings,

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these hearings and maybe documents that ultimately get produced are sort of provided voluntarily by the responsible agencies.

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And it's just a means of essentially, you know, front front dooring or front facing material that they maybe, you know,

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would have otherwise a difficult issue kind of issuing themselves, right?

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And this is a convenient kind of bounce pass for some information.

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Okay, Matthew, I'm going to promote you.

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I mean, you're an expert in national security and emerging technologies.

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And I've decided as the new president to appoint you as the national security advisor.

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And on the very first day that you get into the job at the national security council,

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a chap in uniform comes in, sits you down and gives you the briefing on the legacy program.

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And he leans across, fixes eyes with you.

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And he says, sir, this is an incredibly sensitive national security secret.

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You know, we have technology, we have weaponry, propulsion systems, energy systems

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that, yes, we have probably illegally kept from the knowledge of the Congress

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and indeed from the knowledge of previous presidents.

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But I appeal to you, sir, as the new national security advisor,

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to think very carefully about what you do now.

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What are you going to do, Matthew?

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What are you going to do?

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And I suspect that's happening in the White House right now.

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I suspect there's a decision being made.

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I'm told that the bloc is happening at presidential level,

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that previous presidents haven't been briefed

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and that the approaches have been made by the Pentagon

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at national security council level.

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What are you going to do as a new national security council head

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making that decision?

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What should we be taking into account?

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Well, my first question is,

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how can you ensure that it won't come out in any other way?

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In which case I'm facing a much bigger problem, right?

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Because if you can truly constrain the option set for me,

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which is either this stays in the box like it has been for 80 years,

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and we can maintain unparalleled strategic overmatch over our rivals

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while keeping a fundamental asymmetry of knowledge with respect to society

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and a democracy that we would maybe feel uncomfortable with,

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but fundamentally it's sustainable.

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The question, you know, if I'm not...

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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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I'm not letting you get away with that one.

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So as the new national security advisor,

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you would heed, if you could get away with it,

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you would heed the request for secrecy.

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You would defer to secrecy rather than openness

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in the interests of protecting these technologies.

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Well, so I'm trying to mentally model, like, say, Waltz, right,

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as a national security advisor.

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And I know the questions he would ask is, like,

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this is a false dichotomy, right?

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Usually when you're being briefed up by your underlings who are telling you,

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like, usually you know they're framing an issue

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to try to box you into a certain option.

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And your role as a principal is to sort of challenge that false dichotomy,

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look for and make sure that there are all these options,

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you know, being recommended to you that represent,

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you know, the full spectrum.

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That you're not being sort of given a false choice.

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And so that's what I would do, right,

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is sort of respond in kind to sort of break that false choice.

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Because I think ultimately you have, you know,

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two equivalent responsibilities in that position.

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You have a responsibility to protect America,

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to protect its population,

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to ensure that it has a strategic advantage over its rivals

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in a highly contested world.

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And we believe our system of government,

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while flawed, is ultimately superior to many, if not most others.

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But on the other hand, you live in a democracy.

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And democracies fundamentally are only legitimate

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if they're accountable to the people, right?

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And there are certain secrets that are prudently and lawfully

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and ethically kept in the interest of national security.

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And there's certain information that's not inherently government information.

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The government has no legal or ethical

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or legitimate right to keep secret.

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And, say, the fact of non-human intelligence,

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I would hold, is not government information.

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It's not something the government can legal or ethically withhold.

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So I would want to make sure I'm cleanly dividing

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the sets of information here

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into buckets that are prudently classified

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and buckets that are morally and ethically,

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you know, obligatory to disclose.

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So if you as a national security advisor

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were briefed into the fact that

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NHI, non-human intelligences,

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have been engaging with planet Earth

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for however long,

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be it 80 years or millennia,

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would you accept the argument

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that's, I'm told, often made

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from within that national security establishment

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that it's a slippery slope,

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that to reveal engagement by NHI

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with this planet

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is to also lead to

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the inevitable disclosure

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of technologies

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and weapon systems

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and energy systems

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that we would rather not disclose.

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Do you see it as an inevitable slippery slope?

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I don't,

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but I would need to be convinced, right?

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Like, I don't see,

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like, the fact that, for example,

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right now, I've,

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you know,

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I've updated my beliefs

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on the fact that non-human intelligence is real

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and that technologies of unknown origin

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that manifest knowledge of physics

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and, you know, therefore associated

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understanding of the nature of reality

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that is radically different

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than the sort of current theoretical frameworks

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that govern academic physics.

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But I don't know how to build those craft, right?

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So I have now reconciled my personal beliefs

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that there is a reality of non-human intelligence

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and I think there's zero proliferation risk

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that is now generated

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as a result of me acquiring that knowledge.

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And I don't see how that doesn't play out at scale, right?

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Now, of course, over the long term,

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you know, the world is the world is, right?

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And human science and knowledge ultimately seeks out

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and exploits the degrees of freedom

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that are available to us.

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That's what we call physics and science and technology.

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And so if the world just, you know,

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allows a certain capability,

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it will be created eventually.

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And the role of government is to ensure

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that the technology is, you know,

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harnessed for the advancement

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and security of all of our people.

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And I think, yeah, this is where

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it's a more philosophical question.

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Is there black balls in the big jar of knowledge?

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And if you pull out a black ball,

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is that inherently, you know, dangerous knowledge?

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Is there such a thing as dangerous knowledge?

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I agree there is such a thing as dangerous knowledge,

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but that doesn't mean you never take your hand

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out of the jar, right?

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You go to, you know,

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a sort of a Kaczynski approach to technology

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where we should all just be living in the forest.

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I don't think that's the right approach,

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but it's, I think that's, again,

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it's a false choice, right?

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I think we just need to break these false choices.

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Well, what do you think

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of the current national security advisor?

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Is he susceptible to the kind of pressure

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that we're talking about here

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that the Pentagon might basically say,

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look, you're going to jeopardize

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an 80-year-old technological superiority

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that we've developed by revealing this.

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It would be irresponsible for the new president

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to even whisper, a whisper of disclosure.

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Well, I don't know exactly how he would respond.

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I think he's a former soldier.

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He has an intelligence background.

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He's a congressman.

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He's obviously made remarks about David Grush,

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you know, taking him very seriously,

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taking this topic very seriously.

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I think he's also very sensitive to this idea

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of illegal, unreported, unaccountable programs, right?

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And this is very much a policy priority

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of the Trump administration

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is to ensure accountability in the federal government

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to the rightfully appointed constitutional officers.

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So I think he would look askance at any claim that says,

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no, you can keep your special privileges

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and your autonomy.

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Now, there's a question of whether what would be disclosed.

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I think there's two big questions here.

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One is problem of accountability

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and a problem of disclosure.

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I think that the priority of the Congress

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and the administration coming in

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is to first establish better accountability

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over these programs and these activities

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to ensure they're properly briefed

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and they understand the ground truth,

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that there isn't these unreported,

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you know, somewhat rogue programs

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that feel like they don't have an obligation

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to report and take direction

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from the commander-in-chief

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and to have oversight by the Congress.

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So that's like problem one,

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because you can't have disclosure

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without having accountability, right?

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You need to have the constitutional structures

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perform as designed by the framers.

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Then step two is given sufficient briefings

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and establishment of accountability,

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full-throated, you know, no holds barred,

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then I have to trust, right,

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our constitutional leadership

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to make the right decision on our behalf, right?

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But this is where the role of, you know,

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well-motivated and proper whistleblower protections

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can kind of hold those folks accountable.

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And this is not just relying on one person

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to make the right decision,

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but relying on a constitutional process

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that's well-functioning

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and having a balance of power, right,

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ideally doesn't lead to that

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sort of single point of failure.

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But this is not like a simple answer

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where it just ripped the Band-Aid off

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and everything gets dumped out.

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And I would want to know,

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the assessment is how close is China, right?

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You say there's an unparalleled advantage

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that we need to protect.

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Well, is the current arrangement

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that has been established for 80 years

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actually leading to a strategic disadvantage?

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Because the way these programs

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have been compartmented,

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the way that the secrecy has been organized,

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and the fact that we can't get

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the best and brightest involved

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has meant that China's been able to catch up

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and maybe surpass us.

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And so this is a, you know,

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an argument that is actually self-defeating

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for national security

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to kind of keep this,

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keep this, you know,

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behind the curtain.

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You're now a strategic advisor,

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of course,

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for the NER Explorers Club

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and Skywatcher.

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And the implications of that

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are that if Jake Barber's predictions

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do turn out to be true,

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it's entirely plausible,

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according to Jake,

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that he and his team

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will be able to summon

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and convincingly obtain proof

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of a non-human technology,

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possibly even within months.

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Do you agree?

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I mean, these folks,

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if there's somebody,

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if there's any group of people

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that I know of

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that can make that claim

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and not be laughed out of a room,

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it's these folks, right?

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And so I take their claims

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and their professional bona fides

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and their organization

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and their good faith efforts

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very seriously.

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It's why I've decided

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to advise them

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because I think

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it's highly significant

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and unique,

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the effort that they're

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about to undertake.

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And it's fraught, right,

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with all these larger implications.

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And I think they're,

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they want to,

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and they are going about it

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in a diligent fashion.

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And this is ultimately

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what it comes down to

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is you can either

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impress upon the government

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and work through these processes

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to try to get information released

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over time

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and, you know,

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going through all the different

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bureaucratic and political filters,

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or you can,

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just recognize,

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well, there are,

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if there are non-human intelligence

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operating in our area,

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if they are susceptible

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to various means of interrogation

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and engagement,

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the skies aren't classified,

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right?

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Those means and methods

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aren't classified.

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The skills and capabilities

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of these people

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are now in the private domain.

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And this is a,

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you know,

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straight path

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to bring information,

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high quality,

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high fidelity,

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you know,

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censored data,

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including maybe material information

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to civil society,

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to academic institutions

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in a fashion

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that sort of bypasses

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these bureaucratic procedures

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and these political procedures

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in D.C.

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And that's ultimately,

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you know,

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just a parallel path

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I think it should be explored.

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So let's talk about

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that hypothetical possibility.

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Let's assume Jake

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and his team

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and Alex

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with the private equity

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investment that he's got,

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they manage to

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actually obtain,

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retrieve

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one of these craft.

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What happens

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in the White House

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at that moment?

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I mean,

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essentially it's wrong footing

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the Defense Department

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and whoever it is

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in private aerospace

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that's covering this up,

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isn't it?

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00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,440
Well,

511
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,200
it's hard to think

512
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,180
through all the different details

513
00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:54,100
of that hypothetical.

514
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:55,860
I do think that

515
00:23:55,860 --> 00:23:58,160
the Skywatcher team

516
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,520
wants to be responsible in this

517
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,700
and doesn't want to just create

518
00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,320
a whole scene

519
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,340
for the sake of it, right?

520
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,160
They want to do this

521
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,180
in a responsible fashion.

522
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,560
And I think there are folks

523
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,120
in the government

524
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:08,820
not associated

525
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:09,820
with the legacy program

526
00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:10,980
that, you know,

527
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,360
feel the same way, right,

528
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,340
about the activities

529
00:24:13,340 --> 00:24:14,040
that have been conducted

530
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,940
where they were not

531
00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:16,020
properly read in

532
00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:16,840
and that they feel

533
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,780
that this is an interest

534
00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:18,860
of national security

535
00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:19,900
and it falls within

536
00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:21,220
their broader purview.

537
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:22,560
And I think this is

538
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,580
an opportunity to kind of,

539
00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:24,180
again,

540
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,440
you can look back

541
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,480
and there might be,

542
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:26,740
you know,

543
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,800
a need for recriminations

544
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,940
and criminal punishments

545
00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:30,580
and investigations

546
00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:31,720
on wrongdoing.

547
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:33,400
But there's a separate path

548
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,920
which is, okay,

549
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:34,980
like the government

550
00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:35,600
still exists

551
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,560
and there are good people

552
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,460
in different parts

553
00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:37,880
of the government

554
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,740
that we need

555
00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:40,740
to help engage,

556
00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:41,040
you know,

557
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,740
civil society

558
00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:42,580
and basically do this

559
00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:43,100
the right way

560
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,220
going forward, right?

561
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:44,880
And so this is not

562
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,340
about just doing it all,

563
00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:46,900
you know,

564
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:48,540
out in the wilderness

565
00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:49,260
or out on your own

566
00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:50,360
but about essentially,

567
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,020
you know,

568
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:52,580
stimulating and catalyzing

569
00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:52,920
the government

570
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,420
to do what maybe

571
00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:54,380
they can't already do

572
00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:55,920
and then finding new methods

573
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:56,320
of, say,

574
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:58,080
new institutions

575
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,220
or public-private partnerships

576
00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:00,260
or structures

577
00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:02,380
where more collaboration

578
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:03,000
and access

579
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,740
to these materials

580
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:05,540
can be facilitated

581
00:25:05,540 --> 00:25:06,860
by research partnerships,

582
00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:07,360
et cetera.

583
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:08,340
To kind of,

584
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:08,680
you know,

585
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:09,940
this is a much larger question

586
00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:11,260
than just any Skywatcher question.

587
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,600
This truly requires

588
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,000
building new institutions,

589
00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:14,860
new collaborations,

590
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,780
new structures

591
00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:16,800
and I think the government,

592
00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:17,260
you know,

593
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:17,860
we want the government

594
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:18,480
to play a role in that.

595
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:18,960
We want different,

596
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,280
you know,

597
00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:19,980
levels of government

598
00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:20,820
to play a role in that.

599
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:22,100
That's a bigger project

600
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:22,780
but I think you need

601
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:23,960
to sort of start small

602
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,920
and, you know,

603
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:27,520
this idea of making it plausible,

604
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:28,180
right,

605
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:29,200
has a first question

606
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:29,940
which is, you know,

607
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:30,820
probably prima facie

608
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:31,860
very implausible

609
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:33,320
until the Skywatcher folks

610
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:33,660
came out

611
00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:35,160
that it is conceivable

612
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,340
to get, you know,

613
00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:37,880
such materials

614
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,940
without, you know,

615
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:39,780
getting it divested,

616
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,660
say, from Lockheed.

617
00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:42,880
Well, that's still trickling out

618
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,500
and I think we wait to see,

619
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:44,740
you know,

620
00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:46,200
what that's going to trigger

621
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,560
in terms of other

622
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,280
new organizations

623
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,980
and new efforts

624
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:52,440
and how the different parts

625
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:52,840
of the government

626
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,640
respond to those movements

627
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,460
and I think this is a,

628
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,780
just a very beginning stages

629
00:25:56,780 --> 00:25:57,480
of that dynamic.

630
00:25:58,980 --> 00:25:59,860
What do you think

631
00:25:59,860 --> 00:26:00,520
is the reason

632
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,560
for the cover-up?

633
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,480
I mean,

634
00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:05,560
I guess the question

635
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,620
assumes there's one.

636
00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:07,600
I think there's probably

637
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,480
many layers of this.

638
00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:11,060
You know,

639
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:11,800
you could say that

640
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,860
back in the 40s and 50s,

641
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,580
this was tucked under,

642
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:14,820
right,

643
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:16,540
the Atomic Energy Act,

644
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:17,340
secrecy provisions

645
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:18,400
and it was seen

646
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,560
essentially as a,

647
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280
as a potentially

648
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,280
destabilizing,

649
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,440
you know,

650
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,940
force for basic,

651
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,320
you know,

652
00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:27,040
social structures

653
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:27,780
which at that time

654
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:28,300
were seen as,

655
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:28,780
you know,

656
00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:29,780
very hierarchical,

657
00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:30,300
right,

658
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:31,440
the state was very powerful

659
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:31,980
and strong,

660
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:32,540
the institutions

661
00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:33,180
that managed

662
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:34,260
this information

663
00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:35,920
were actually highly capable

664
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,580
and technocratic

665
00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:37,480
and also aligned

666
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:37,960
with kind of

667
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,780
the democratic state

668
00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:39,660
in the post-war environment.

669
00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:41,400
I think everyone accepted

670
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,200
that that was a prudent

671
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,080
kind of legitimate

672
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,120
thing to do,

673
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,340
right,

674
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,500
especially in the Cold War era.

675
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,780
And then you had,

676
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,080
I think,

677
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:47,940
an evolution

678
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,040
and maybe a decay,

679
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,620
maybe a structural,

680
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,380
institutional decay

681
00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:52,780
of those programs

682
00:26:52,780 --> 00:26:53,600
as sort of things

683
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,500
became fragmented

684
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,400
and sort of hyper-competitive

685
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,960
almost privatized,

686
00:26:58,380 --> 00:26:58,580
right,

687
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,160
and you got,

688
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:00,180
you know,

689
00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:01,320
that then generated

690
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,780
an environment

691
00:27:02,780 --> 00:27:04,200
where maybe

692
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,240
much less ethical,

693
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:05,980
much less

694
00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:07,160
democratically accountable

695
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,700
activities took off

696
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:10,100
and those never

697
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,040
got reined in

698
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,680
and so they just

699
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,340
compounded

700
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:13,260
and pathologized

701
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:14,040
like a cancer.

702
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:14,800
They sort of grow,

703
00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:15,540
grow, grow

704
00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:17,240
until they kill the patient,

705
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:18,160
in this case,

706
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,280
maybe democratic oversight.

707
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:21,000
And I think that's now,

708
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,780
it's a irreversible process

709
00:27:22,780 --> 00:27:24,040
in terms of a certain institution

710
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,240
and gets to a state like that

711
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,860
and it's hard to,

712
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,280
it's hard to come back.

713
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,180
It's hard to sort of admit,

714
00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:29,660
right,

715
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,120
that things went really wrong.

716
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,720
And so just the inertia

717
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,920
of just let's just try

718
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,480
to keep going

719
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,140
and kick the can

720
00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:36,080
and I don't want to get,

721
00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:36,880
you know,

722
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:37,560
the tail pinned

723
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,520
on my particular donkey.

724
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,700
I don't want to have to be

725
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:40,500
hauled before Congress

726
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,120
and explain all these things.

727
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:43,180
I think that's like

728
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:44,040
a narrow parochial

729
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,600
kind of human narrative,

730
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,540
but I think it's also

731
00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:47,640
self-justified

732
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,840
by, you know,

733
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,260
what might be

734
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:49,940
motivated reasoning

735
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:50,760
but also might be

736
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,100
well-motivated

737
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:53,020
in terms of a sense

738
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:53,660
of caution

739
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:54,660
about the disruption

740
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:55,400
that could happen

741
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,120
to society,

742
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,640
to religion,

743
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,240
to our economic

744
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,220
and geopolitical order

745
00:27:58,220 --> 00:27:59,460
and that this needs

746
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:00,580
to be prepared

747
00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:01,400
and, you know,

748
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,660
slowly diffused

749
00:28:02,660 --> 00:28:03,840
into social consciousness

750
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,940
over many decades

751
00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:05,840
through, say,

752
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,160
you know,

753
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,180
different media formats

754
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:10,520
and sort of cultural management

755
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,900
and that when the time

756
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:12,300
is right,

757
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:12,680
you know,

758
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:13,660
that the runway

759
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:14,520
will have been foamed

760
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,200
and we can sort of

761
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,740
roll this out.

762
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:16,320
I don't know

763
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,980
how much I buy into that

764
00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:20,300
as a prudent motivation

765
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:21,960
but I think it's a mix

766
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,840
of parochial self,

767
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,440
you know,

768
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:24,580
CYA as we call it

769
00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:24,980
in America

770
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:26,400
as well as maybe,

771
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:26,620
you know,

772
00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:27,840
earnest uncertainty

773
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,060
about the risks

774
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:30,100
associated with disclosure.

775
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:31,880
Let's roll back

776
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,040
62 years

777
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,220
to JFK.

778
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:35,740
It's quite clear

779
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:37,140
whether UAPs

780
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:38,000
had anything at all

781
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,460
to do with JFK's murder

782
00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:39,960
or not.

783
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,060
It's quite clear

784
00:28:41,060 --> 00:28:42,020
that JFK

785
00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:42,940
was interested

786
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:44,220
in the UFO issue

787
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:45,780
mainly because of

788
00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:48,000
interdiction issues.

789
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,180
he was trying

790
00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:49,680
to make sure

791
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,100
that there was

792
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:50,840
no possibility

793
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,940
that UFOs

794
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:52,860
could be confused

795
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:53,960
for either

796
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,860
a Soviet attack

797
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:55,900
or an American attack

798
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:56,540
and lead to an

799
00:28:56,540 --> 00:28:58,180
unnecessary nuclear exchange.

800
00:28:58,940 --> 00:28:59,520
There's a lot

801
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,160
of talk

802
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,680
that the president

803
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,580
at the time

804
00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:04,560
was instructing

805
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,200
the CIA

806
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,960
to essentially

807
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,400
move on this issue

808
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,920
and become more

809
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,220
open with the Soviets

810
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:12,640
and that,

811
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,880
if I'm told correctly,

812
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,640
that's the origin story

813
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,660
for why many presidents

814
00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:19,520
have been kept

815
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,140
in the dark

816
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:20,820
about this.

817
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:22,940
And is there

818
00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:23,700
any legitimate

819
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:25,540
basis you could

820
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:26,160
think of

821
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,300
for why

822
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,620
the commanders

823
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:29,620
in chief

824
00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:31,220
of the United States

825
00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:31,960
Defense Force,

826
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:32,960
the president,

827
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,340
have been not read in

828
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:36,720
as a matter of course

829
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,320
to these programs?

830
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,740
I mean,

831
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,620
I know they haven't been

832
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:40,480
in many cases.

833
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:41,820
There have been presidents

834
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:42,700
who've sought

835
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:44,140
and been refused

836
00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:45,600
access to information

837
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,960
about the program.

838
00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:49,300
Is there any justification

839
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:50,920
on any kind

840
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,040
of national security

841
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,680
or imperative

842
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,520
technology primacy

843
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,560
basis that you can

844
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,160
think of

845
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,840
that would give

846
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,980
the faceless

847
00:30:00,980 --> 00:30:01,700
bureaucrats

848
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:02,560
and presumably

849
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,500
private aerospace

850
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:04,360
wonks that have

851
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,360
made these decisions

852
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,580
justification

853
00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:08,040
for such a decision?

854
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:09,940
Not if you believe

855
00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:10,600
in our Constitution,

856
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,140
right?

857
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:11,660
If you don't believe

858
00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:12,280
the Constitution

859
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,320
holds,

860
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,500
that gives

861
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:15,300
the executive

862
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:16,740
all powers

863
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:17,180
over

864
00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:19,700
the executive

865
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:20,100
branch

866
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:21,200
and unilateral

867
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,900
authority

868
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:24,640
to classify

869
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,460
or declassify

870
00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:25,900
any government

871
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:26,360
information,

872
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,080
if you believe

873
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,280
that the Constitution

874
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,520
is just irrelevant,

875
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,380
well then,

876
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:31,540
yeah,

877
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:31,940
you can do

878
00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:32,460
whatever you want.

879
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,860
But if you believe

880
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:34,940
that and you are

881
00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:35,700
serving in the military

882
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,960
or you're in a position

883
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,460
of government

884
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:38,860
responsibility,

885
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:40,360
you're effectively

886
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:40,860
abrogating

887
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:41,600
or fundamental duty

888
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,300
to the Constitution.

889
00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:44,820
So I don't see

890
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:46,320
how any justified

891
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,800
argument,

892
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:47,500
I can see lots

893
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:48,720
of self-motivated,

894
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:49,840
somewhat cynical

895
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,420
arguments could be

896
00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:50,600
given,

897
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:51,200
but I can't see

898
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,520
a politically

899
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,760
or legitimate

900
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,460
argument given.

901
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,020
Let's be,

902
00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:56,560
I don't know,

903
00:30:56,740 --> 00:30:57,460
let's pick a name.

904
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Oh,

905
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,400
Curtis LeMay.

906
00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:59,620
Let's pick Curtis LeMay

907
00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:00,260
for example

908
00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:01,060
and suggest that

909
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:01,680
perhaps he was

910
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,220
one of the people

911
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:03,100
involved in making

912
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:03,600
the decision

913
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,200
maybe with,

914
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:04,480
say,

915
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:04,720
oh,

916
00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:05,040
I don't know,

917
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:05,880
Alan Dulles,

918
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:06,840
then director

919
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,500
of the CIA.

920
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,940
Isn't it a good

921
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:10,400
argument,

922
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,020
frankly,

923
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,420
Matthew?

924
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,560
We know how much

925
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,580
Congress leaks.

926
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,180
We know how much

927
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:16,080
Congressmen and

928
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,120
Senators love having

929
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,320
a quiet chat over

930
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,060
a beer with a

931
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:19,440
journalist.

932
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:20,760
Wouldn't this have

933
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,060
leaked if Congress

934
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:23,000
had been read into

935
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,540
the program?

936
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Isn't there a good

937
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,480
argument that this

938
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,260
ought,

939
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:27,420
whilst,

940
00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:27,720
you know,

941
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,380
there is an argument

942
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:29,300
that it ought properly,

943
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:30,680
constitutionally,

944
00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:31,680
to have been revealed

945
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,480
to the Congress

946
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,720
and to the President?

947
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,420
The simple fact is

948
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:36,100
that in reality

949
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:36,900
it's been too

950
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:37,680
big a secret

951
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,500
to not conceal.

952
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,100
So it's funny,

953
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:42,420
right?

954
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,580
So the executive

955
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:45,760
branch during

956
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,440
World War II

957
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,380
was systematically

958
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:47,960
compromised

959
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,740
at the highest

960
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:49,300
levels and the

961
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:49,880
deepest levels

962
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,380
to the point

963
00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:51,280
where Stalin

964
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,320
knew more

965
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,080
about the

966
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Manhattan Project

967
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,400
than Vice

968
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:54,960
President Truman

969
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,220
did.

970
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:56,820
You know,

971
00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:57,920
they had spies

972
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,440
and moles

973
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,400
throughout the

974
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,100
executive branch,

975
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,500
the sort of

976
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:01,780
hermetically sealed

977
00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:02,800
compartments that

978
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,600
folks like LeMay

979
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,420
felt they had,

980
00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:05,060
you know,

981
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:05,800
sold dominion over.

982
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,400
And so there's a,

983
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:07,280
I mean,

984
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:08,300
the government

985
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:08,760
exists,

986
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,380
the executive branch

987
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:09,700
and intelligence

988
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:09,960
community,

989
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,820
they love to think

990
00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:11,400
they're really good

991
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,260
at keeping secrets.

992
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,340
And time after time

993
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:13,940
tells us we're really

994
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:14,420
not,

995
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:14,980
right?

996
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:16,220
But the architecture

997
00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:16,980
of secrecy

998
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:18,120
is not to first order

999
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,360
about keeping secrets,

1000
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:19,740
right?

1001
00:32:19,780 --> 00:32:20,740
It's about bureaucratic

1002
00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:22,020
control over information,

1003
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:22,720
right?

1004
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:23,380
Because we know

1005
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:24,720
and we operate

1006
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,620
sort of on the assumption

1007
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:26,420
that a lot of our

1008
00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:27,360
information after a certain

1009
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:27,740
period of time

1010
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:28,420
is going to be known

1011
00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:29,040
to the adversary.

1012
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,100
We just bake that in

1013
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:30,620
to our assumptions.

1014
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:31,260
We know,

1015
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,040
especially if there's

1016
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,620
fundamental science

1017
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:33,020
knowledge,

1018
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,540
it's hard to keep that

1019
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:35,360
from a sophisticated

1020
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,160
adversary that has

1021
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,340
their own independent

1022
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:38,320
technological and

1023
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,100
scientific development

1024
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,200
and ecosystems.

1025
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:40,580
Like,

1026
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:42,460
there are special

1027
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:43,100
advantages you want

1028
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:43,580
to try to keep,

1029
00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:43,840
little,

1030
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:44,300
you know,

1031
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:44,960
tips and tricks

1032
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,400
that you want to keep.

1033
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,740
Sources and methods

1034
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:48,240
are obviously,

1035
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:48,620
you know,

1036
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,860
critical to national security.

1037
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:51,700
We protect those.

1038
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,060
But we operate

1039
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:53,560
on the assumption

1040
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,280
that there are spies

1041
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:54,800
in our midst,

1042
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:55,140
right?

1043
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,160
And when you compartmentalize

1044
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,700
a program,

1045
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:57,420
you know,

1046
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,540
you have to account

1047
00:32:58,540 --> 00:33:00,240
for these different risks.

1048
00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:00,500
And so,

1049
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:00,640
yeah,

1050
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,260
the Gang of Eight,

1051
00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:01,700
right,

1052
00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:03,280
is the proper oversight

1053
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,220
body for these sorts

1054
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:05,100
of secrets.

1055
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:06,320
But I don't see any

1056
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,980
argument to be made

1057
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:08,040
that the Gang of Eight

1058
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,180
is more likely to leak

1059
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:09,560
than,

1060
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,020
you know,

1061
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:11,900
a deputy for

1062
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:12,820
strategic air command,

1063
00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:13,200
right?

1064
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:15,160
Because they're human beings,

1065
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:16,960
they take the same oaths,

1066
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:17,860
they're subject to the same

1067
00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:18,620
human frailties,

1068
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:18,920
right?

1069
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,580
You know,

1070
00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:19,960
money,

1071
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:20,640
you know,

1072
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,180
ideology,

1073
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:21,680
compromise,

1074
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,100
ego.

1075
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:22,520
This is how

1076
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,200
intelligence services

1077
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:23,580
recruit.

1078
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:23,900
And so,

1079
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,480
every service

1080
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,700
has to approach

1081
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:26,300
these things

1082
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,060
with a,

1083
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:28,480
you know,

1084
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:29,020
with a balance

1085
00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:30,840
of risks to manage.

1086
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Okay,

1087
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:33,160
I accept all that,

1088
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,420
Matthew,

1089
00:33:33,540 --> 00:33:34,720
but this is the thing

1090
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,900
I wrestle with the most

1091
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:36,680
when I'm looking

1092
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,320
at this issue.

1093
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:38,260
I just,

1094
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:38,580
I mean,

1095
00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:39,840
journalists have this

1096
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,340
assumption,

1097
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:41,480
sooner or later,

1098
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,420
everything leaks.

1099
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,560
Politicians can't help

1100
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:43,940
themselves.

1101
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,140
They're total gossips.

1102
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Okay,

1103
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:46,320
so,

1104
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:48,480
let's assume

1105
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,420
a decision was made

1106
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:52,040
by people

1107
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,680
in the national security

1108
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,240
establishment

1109
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,380
at a very high level

1110
00:33:55,380 --> 00:33:56,900
and people colluded

1111
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:57,840
in private aerospace

1112
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,020
to keep it secret.

1113
00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:01,020
They must know

1114
00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:02,000
that at some stage

1115
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,900
it's going to leak.

1116
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,180
I mean,

1117
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,500
what's the rationale?

1118
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:06,820
If they knew that,

1119
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,360
why have they persisted

1120
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,220
with this cover-up?

1121
00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:11,220
Well,

1122
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:12,400
leaking information

1123
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,480
doesn't necessarily mean

1124
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,640
programs are compromised,

1125
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:15,020
right?

1126
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:15,580
Those are sometimes

1127
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:16,400
very different things

1128
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,280
and you can mitigate

1129
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,180
leak of information

1130
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:20,300
through selective

1131
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:21,480
disinformation programs,

1132
00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:21,800
right?

1133
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,120
That's,

1134
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:22,480
I think,

1135
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:23,420
been the main strategy,

1136
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:23,700
right?

1137
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:23,960
Like,

1138
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,660
information often does leak

1139
00:34:25,660 --> 00:34:26,580
out of highly classified

1140
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:27,480
programs,

1141
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,140
but you can mitigate

1142
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:29,140
the impact

1143
00:34:29,140 --> 00:34:30,440
by a successful

1144
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,280
disinformation effort.

1145
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,040
That might explain

1146
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,420
things like MJ-12,

1147
00:34:35,660 --> 00:34:36,380
which does appear

1148
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:37,620
to have some legitimacy,

1149
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:39,700
but there is some

1150
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:40,980
apparent disinformation

1151
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:41,920
within that.

1152
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,020
Yeah,

1153
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,660
and I think that's,

1154
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:44,140
you know,

1155
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,980
every program has to

1156
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:45,680
have that built in,

1157
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:45,800
right?

1158
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:46,440
You never assume

1159
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:46,980
everything's going to

1160
00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:47,700
stay inside the box.

1161
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,260
You have to assume

1162
00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:48,840
some information

1163
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,700
could get outside the box

1164
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:50,460
and your plan is

1165
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:51,840
how you staunch

1166
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,580
the bleeding,

1167
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:52,840
right?

1168
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,340
How you mitigate

1169
00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:53,880
the impact

1170
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,320
of information leaking

1171
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:55,840
and a lot of

1172
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,500
counterintelligence

1173
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:56,920
activities

1174
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,640
and intelligence

1175
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,120
activities

1176
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,040
is often trying

1177
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,680
to suss out

1178
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,600
from an adversary

1179
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,260
doing the same

1180
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:01,880
thing to you,

1181
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:02,940
what leaks

1182
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:04,400
are legitimate leaks?

1183
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:05,120
What leaks

1184
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,120
are sort of,

1185
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,620
you know,

1186
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,000
intentional,

1187
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:07,840
you know,

1188
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:08,340
misinformation

1189
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:09,940
from an adversary

1190
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:10,620
service that wants

1191
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:11,380
to, you know,

1192
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:12,040
feed you something,

1193
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,300
right?

1194
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,460
To confuse you.

1195
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:14,020
And I think

1196
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:14,580
we have been

1197
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:15,520
in this sub-Rosa

1198
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,120
Cold War

1199
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:16,840
with our principal,

1200
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:17,660
you know,

1201
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:18,540
geopolitical rivals,

1202
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:18,880
you know,

1203
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,180
Russia and then now

1204
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:21,200
China on this subject

1205
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:21,980
and we've been engaged

1206
00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:22,860
in this sort of

1207
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:23,540
multi-party

1208
00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:24,840
intelligence

1209
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,640
and counterintelligence

1210
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,060
activity

1211
00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:26,900
on these programs

1212
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:27,360
I think that's

1213
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:27,960
what motivates,

1214
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:28,740
you know,

1215
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:29,460
to first order

1216
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:30,200
the security

1217
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,820
organizations

1218
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:31,620
that protect

1219
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:32,160
this information

1220
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,640
is not

1221
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,700
congressional reporting

1222
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:34,260
which is like

1223
00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:34,800
five layers

1224
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,420
above their head,

1225
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:36,600
it's Chinese spies

1226
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,280
trying to get in

1227
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,200
and I think

1228
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:38,560
they've been very

1229
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,000
successful,

1230
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,520
unfortunately.

1231
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,620
I'll tell you

1232
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:42,520
that the biggest

1233
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,340
thing I get

1234
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:44,080
from people

1235
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,360
who speak to me

1236
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,220
and who convincingly

1237
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:48,040
assert that they're

1238
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,640
working within

1239
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,440
this legacy

1240
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,140
UAP

1241
00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:51,200
reverse engineering

1242
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:51,820
program,

1243
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,180
the biggest

1244
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:53,820
concern

1245
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:54,720
that I get

1246
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,420
from them

1247
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:56,100
is that

1248
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,700
the very secrecy,

1249
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,240
the very

1250
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,460
compartmentalization

1251
00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:00,540
that's imposed

1252
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:01,380
on them

1253
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:02,820
as scientists

1254
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:03,500
and people

1255
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:04,380
investigating

1256
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:05,040
the phenomenon

1257
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,540
is actually

1258
00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:07,240
confounding

1259
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:07,940
our ability

1260
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:08,600
to develop

1261
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,180
advantages

1262
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:10,040
in technology

1263
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,720
and materials

1264
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:11,180
science

1265
00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:11,680
that might

1266
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,040
give us

1267
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,580
the edge

1268
00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:13,160
over our

1269
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,900
foreign rivals

1270
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:14,860
whereas at the

1271
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:15,560
same time

1272
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,380
apparently

1273
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:17,240
China is

1274
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:17,780
moving ahead

1275
00:36:17,780 --> 00:36:18,280
with leaps

1276
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:18,880
and bounds.

1277
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,500
I think

1278
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:20,760
it's a very

1279
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,300
fair assessment.

1280
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,020
I have the

1281
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:22,580
same concern.

1282
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,080
In my last role

1283
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,520
which I just

1284
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:25,860
departed

1285
00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:26,600
I spent four

1286
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:26,820
years

1287
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:27,480
advising

1288
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,260
multinationals

1289
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:28,580
and critical

1290
00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:29,040
technology

1291
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,600
companies

1292
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,920
to first

1293
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,180
order

1294
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:32,480
China

1295
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:32,940
trying to

1296
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:33,300
hack

1297
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:33,600
them

1298
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,620
or

1299
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:35,020
otherwise

1300
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:35,820
access

1301
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:36,560
their

1302
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:36,900
proprietary

1303
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:37,380
information.

1304
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:38,520
It's gotten

1305
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:38,820
to the point

1306
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:39,300
where China

1307
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:39,960
doesn't necessarily

1308
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,480
need to steal

1309
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:40,800
a whole lot

1310
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,200
because they're

1311
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:41,540
actually

1312
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:42,660
out front

1313
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:43,200
of money

1314
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,840
of our

1315
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,400
leading

1316
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,560
technology

1317
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:45,900
companies.

1318
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:46,080
I mean

1319
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:46,200
there's

1320
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:46,380
certain

1321
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:46,700
fields

1322
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:46,960
where we

1323
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,120
have

1324
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:47,220
an

1325
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:47,520
advantage

1326
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,820
but

1327
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:48,660
China

1328
00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:49,020
is

1329
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:49,720
extremely

1330
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:50,320
capable

1331
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,860
at

1332
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:51,480
pushing

1333
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:51,660
the

1334
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:52,000
frontier

1335
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,360
along

1336
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:52,780
a lot

1337
00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:52,960
of

1338
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,160
these

1339
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,480
relevant

1340
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:53,920
dimensions

1341
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,140
whether

1342
00:36:54,140 --> 00:36:54,300
it's

1343
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:54,560
material

1344
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:54,940
science

1345
00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:55,220
quantum

1346
00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:55,760
information

1347
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,840
sciences

1348
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,260
and

1349
00:36:57,260 --> 00:36:57,880
related

1350
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,320
quantum

1351
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,280
technology

1352
00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,840
applications

1353
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,540
space

1354
00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:01,420
new

1355
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:01,820
energy

1356
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:02,840
they are

1357
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,520
extremely

1358
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:03,880
capable

1359
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,960
and

1360
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,440
if you

1361
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:05,780
wedded

1362
00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:06,000
that

1363
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,700
strong

1364
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:07,180
S&T

1365
00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:07,700
capability

1366
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:08,040
and

1367
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,480
massive

1368
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,920
R&D

1369
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,380
pipeline

1370
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:09,760
coming out

1371
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:09,900
of the

1372
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:10,400
universities

1373
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,100
into

1374
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:11,660
a

1375
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:12,060
military

1376
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:12,520
system

1377
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:12,860
that has

1378
00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:13,100
civil

1379
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:13,420
military

1380
00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:13,820
fusion

1381
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:14,180
where

1382
00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:15,380
there's

1383
00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:15,640
no such

1384
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:15,800
thing

1385
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:15,900
as

1386
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:16,080
really

1387
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,280
like

1388
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:16,400
a

1389
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:16,700
private

1390
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:17,460
tech

1391
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:17,760
company

1392
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:17,920
or

1393
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,060
a

1394
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:18,300
private

1395
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:18,600
R&D

1396
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:18,940
enterprise

1397
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:19,380
ultimately

1398
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:19,640
the

1399
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:19,940
state

1400
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:21,080
can

1401
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,140
subsume

1402
00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:24,400
your

1403
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:24,800
activities

1404
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,700
so

1405
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:25,960
the

1406
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,400
implications

1407
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:26,820
of this

1408
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:27,060
I just

1409
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:27,340
want to

1410
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:27,720
emphasize

1411
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,160
this

1412
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,520
for our

1413
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:28,860
audience

1414
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:29,100
because

1415
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:29,220
it's

1416
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:29,360
a

1417
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,700
complex

1418
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:30,180
idea

1419
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:30,540
but

1420
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:30,960
essentially

1421
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,760
the

1422
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,060
idea

1423
00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:32,500
is

1424
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:32,740
that

1425
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:32,940
the

1426
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:33,300
very

1427
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:33,920
secrecy

1428
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,180
that's

1429
00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:34,360
been

1430
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:34,840
imposed

1431
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,260
on

1432
00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:35,500
this

1433
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:36,080
alleged

1434
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:36,840
UAP

1435
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,460
reverse

1436
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:37,920
engineering

1437
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,520
program

1438
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,120
a

1439
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:39,560
secret

1440
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,220
attempt

1441
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:40,520
by

1442
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:40,720
the

1443
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:40,980
US

1444
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:41,320
government

1445
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:41,600
and

1446
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:41,880
private

1447
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,240
aerospace

1448
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:42,680
to

1449
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,120
reverse

1450
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,540
engineer

1451
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:44,380
non-human

1452
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:45,060
technology

1453
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:45,880
and give

1454
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,260
America

1455
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:46,960
a strategic

1456
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,540
advantage

1457
00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:47,980
against

1458
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:48,220
its

1459
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:48,640
potential

1460
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,120
foreign

1461
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:49,620
rivals

1462
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:50,460
that

1463
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:50,960
whole

1464
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,560
idea

1465
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,160
is

1466
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,560
potentially

1467
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,020
being

1468
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:53,580
undermined

1469
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:54,020
by that

1470
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:54,560
secrecy

1471
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,260
whereas

1472
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:55,640
at the

1473
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:55,860
same

1474
00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:56,180
time

1475
00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:56,380
the

1476
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:57,140
countries

1477
00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:57,600
in which

1478
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:57,820
we're

1479
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:58,400
involved

1480
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,020
according

1481
00:37:59,020 --> 00:37:59,220
to

1482
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:59,440
David

1483
00:37:59,440 --> 00:37:59,820
Grush

1484
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:00,680
in a

1485
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,680
secret

1486
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,060
sub

1487
00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:02,300
Rosa

1488
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:02,760
Cold

1489
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,380
War

1490
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:03,900
for the

1491
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:04,400
development

1492
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:04,880
of these

1493
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,520
technologies

1494
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,480
they've

1495
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,620
got

1496
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:07,100
authoritarian

1497
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:07,920
governments

1498
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,400
they can

1499
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:08,900
repress

1500
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:09,300
people

1501
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:09,500
and

1502
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:10,100
intimidate

1503
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:10,580
scientists

1504
00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:11,020
all they

1505
00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:11,360
want

1506
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:11,960
to achieve

1507
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,520
the results

1508
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:12,860
that they

1509
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:13,080
want

1510
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,240
to

1511
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:13,760
achieve

1512
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,440
we're

1513
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:14,760
actually

1514
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,640
undermining

1515
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,440
our ability

1516
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,100
to secure

1517
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:17,600
a strategic

1518
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,100
advantage

1519
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:19,180
yeah

1520
00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:19,460
and even

1521
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:19,880
the senate

1522
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,680
put this

1523
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,100
in writing

1524
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:22,420
and the

1525
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:22,660
sort of

1526
00:38:22,660 --> 00:38:23,080
front matter

1527
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,800
for one

1528
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:23,960
of the

1529
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,280
recent

1530
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,060
bills

1531
00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:25,500
they said

1532
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:26,080
in order

1533
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:26,340
to get

1534
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:26,800
in order

1535
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,220
to mitigate

1536
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:28,040
the possibility

1537
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,480
of foreign

1538
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,020
technology

1539
00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:29,560
surprise

1540
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,440
the federal

1541
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:30,760
government

1542
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,560
must broaden

1543
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,140
awareness

1544
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:33,020
of historic

1545
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:33,720
technology

1546
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,460
antecedents

1547
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:34,800
sorry

1548
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,840
historic exotic

1549
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,480
technology

1550
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,080
antecedents

1551
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:37,760
previously

1552
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,360
provided by

1553
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:38,660
the federal

1554
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:38,980
government

1555
00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:39,900
for research

1556
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:40,260
and development

1557
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:40,660
purposes

1558
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:41,100
which kind

1559
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:41,380
of tells

1560
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:41,620
the whole

1561
00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:41,880
thing

1562
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,340
it means

1563
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:42,520
in order

1564
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:42,840
to mitigate

1565
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,300
the possibility

1566
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:43,700
of trying

1567
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:43,900
to getting

1568
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:44,220
the jump

1569
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:44,640
on us

1570
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,600
the federal

1571
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:45,840
government

1572
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:46,440
must broaden

1573
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,020
awareness

1574
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:47,620
of these

1575
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:48,220
historical

1576
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:48,720
exotic

1577
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:49,280
technology

1578
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:49,940
antecedents

1579
00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:50,400
that we

1580
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:50,900
had previously

1581
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:51,460
provided

1582
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:52,720
for R&D

1583
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:53,080
purposes

1584
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,740
and that

1585
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:54,160
is now

1586
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,820
not sufficient

1587
00:38:54,820 --> 00:38:55,620
so we've

1588
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:56,000
got that

1589
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,280
point

1590
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:56,880
emphasized

1591
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,220
now

1592
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:58,600
that being

1593
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,180
the case

1594
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:00,140
my concern

1595
00:39:00,140 --> 00:39:00,880
about the

1596
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,660
task force

1597
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:02,260
the UAP

1598
00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:03,020
task force

1599
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:03,680
that has been

1600
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,260
set up by

1601
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:05,100
congresswoman

1602
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:05,660
Anna Portalina

1603
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:05,980
Luna

1604
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:07,280
is they're

1605
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:07,800
good people

1606
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,100
they're

1607
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:08,800
well-motivated

1608
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,180
people

1609
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:10,060
and they're

1610
00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:10,420
on both

1611
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:10,900
sides of

1612
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:11,240
politics

1613
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:11,760
but they're

1614
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,440
fairly junior

1615
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,360
level members

1616
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:13,680
in the

1617
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,020
house

1618
00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:14,580
they're not

1619
00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:15,040
heads of

1620
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,400
committees

1621
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,120
James Comer

1622
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:16,640
for example

1623
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,520
has conspicuously

1624
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,800
not put himself

1625
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,540
onto that

1626
00:39:19,540 --> 00:39:20,740
task force

1627
00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:21,580
subcommittee

1628
00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:22,100
if you like

1629
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:23,040
you know

1630
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,380
where's

1631
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:24,200
Marco Rubio

1632
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:24,840
on this

1633
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:25,620
where are

1634
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:26,320
all the people

1635
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,140
who previously

1636
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:28,020
basically made

1637
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:28,540
it clear

1638
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:29,100
that they've

1639
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:29,900
taken a position

1640
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:30,960
on the UAP

1641
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,360
issue

1642
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,880
why are they

1643
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,500
so quiet

1644
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:33,120
right now

1645
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:33,940
why hasn't

1646
00:39:33,940 --> 00:39:34,600
Trump said

1647
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,160
anything more

1648
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:35,740
overtly

1649
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:37,780
so this is

1650
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:38,200
where I put

1651
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,620
my other

1652
00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:39,200
different hats

1653
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,760
on that I've

1654
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,000
worn

1655
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,560
one is like

1656
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,200
the geopolitical

1657
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:41,940
risk analyst

1658
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:42,580
the other

1659
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:43,420
is as a

1660
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:44,300
student of

1661
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:45,040
the global

1662
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,820
economic system

1663
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:46,340
and sort of

1664
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:47,120
the power

1665
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,860
structures that

1666
00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:48,740
that that

1667
00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:49,180
govern our

1668
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:49,620
world and

1669
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:49,940
the global

1670
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:50,380
order that

1671
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:50,800
has evolved

1672
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:51,100
over the

1673
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:51,660
past decades

1674
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:51,880
and you

1675
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,200
have to

1676
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,660
think about

1677
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:53,620
the national

1678
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:54,340
strategic

1679
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:54,860
policy

1680
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:55,600
decision

1681
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,040
calculus

1682
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,100
around UAP

1683
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:57,620
disclosure

1684
00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:58,800
not on

1685
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,140
its own

1686
00:39:59,140 --> 00:39:59,580
you know

1687
00:39:59,580 --> 00:39:59,920
individual

1688
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:00,600
terms but

1689
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:00,900
in this

1690
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:01,280
larger

1691
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,120
strategic

1692
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,580
and global

1693
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:03,160
context

1694
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:03,980
and that's

1695
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:04,200
where you

1696
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,620
think about

1697
00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:05,120
a lot of

1698
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:05,420
things that

1699
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:05,860
are happening

1700
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:06,980
that are

1701
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:07,400
quite

1702
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,400
significant

1703
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,220
and strategic

1704
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:09,840
in terms of

1705
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,240
the global

1706
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:10,700
chessboard

1707
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:11,140
right

1708
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:11,760
Trump

1709
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,700
aggressively

1710
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:13,620
and somewhat

1711
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:14,340
to the dismay

1712
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:14,920
of the Europeans

1713
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,740
pushing for

1714
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:16,620
a ceasefire

1715
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:17,140
deal in Ukraine

1716
00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:17,400
sort of

1717
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:17,940
snuffing out

1718
00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:18,780
the flames

1719
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:19,300
of conflict

1720
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:20,120
in Europe

1721
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,640
you know

1722
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,800
making pretty

1723
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,780
just dramatic

1724
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:23,360
you know

1725
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,860
moves

1726
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:24,180
and then

1727
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:24,700
getting most

1728
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:25,060
of the Middle

1729
00:40:25,060 --> 00:40:25,480
East to come

1730
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,240
along for

1731
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,020
a resolution

1732
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:27,600
of the Israel

1733
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,520
Gaza conflict

1734
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,600
and then even

1735
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,060
suggestions

1736
00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:32,020
to China

1737
00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:32,540
and Russia

1738
00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:33,420
mutually that

1739
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:33,660
we should

1740
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:33,960
reduce

1741
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,300
our

1742
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:34,980
defense

1743
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:35,400
expenditures

1744
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,040
by 50%

1745
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,420
and maybe

1746
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:37,220
even embark

1747
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:38,820
on a program

1748
00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:40,240
of denuclearization

1749
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:40,820
meanwhile

1750
00:40:40,820 --> 00:40:41,280
you know

1751
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Rubio

1752
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,100
is sent

1753
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:42,420
as his

1754
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:42,880
principal

1755
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,100
you know

1756
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,140
avatar

1757
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:45,680
to go

1758
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,200
negotiate

1759
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,740
these deals

1760
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:49,180
and I

1761
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:49,460
look at

1762
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:49,640
that

1763
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:49,940
I look

1764
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:50,140
at

1765
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:50,660
this is

1766
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:51,100
obviously

1767
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:51,980
a massive

1768
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:52,640
geopolitical

1769
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,100
shift

1770
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:53,420
in terms

1771
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:53,740
of US

1772
00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:54,000
foreign

1773
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,500
policy

1774
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:56,040
but I

1775
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,320
also have

1776
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:56,740
to consider

1777
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:57,360
the UAP

1778
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:57,780
topic

1779
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:57,980
and they're

1780
00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:58,180
like

1781
00:40:58,180 --> 00:40:58,700
Rubio

1782
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:58,960
knows

1783
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,180
what he

1784
00:40:59,180 --> 00:40:59,400
knows

1785
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,660
and you

1786
00:40:59,660 --> 00:40:59,820
know

1787
00:40:59,820 --> 00:40:59,960
what

1788
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,260
Rubio

1789
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:00,600
knows

1790
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,080
right

1791
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,400
so he's

1792
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,560
going

1793
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:01,740
into

1794
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:01,940
these

1795
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:02,280
meetings

1796
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:02,800
with

1797
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,180
Lavrov

1798
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:04,020
you know

1799
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:04,440
and future

1800
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:04,680
meetings

1801
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,020
with world

1802
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:05,260
leaders

1803
00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:05,800
and they

1804
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,140
know

1805
00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:06,700
what he

1806
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:06,900
knows

1807
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:07,100
about

1808
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:07,300
this

1809
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:07,600
subject

1810
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:07,800
so

1811
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:07,980
this

1812
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:08,120
is

1813
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:08,400
not

1814
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,760
some

1815
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,560
side

1816
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,040
question

1817
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,280
on

1818
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,600
some

1819
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,420
podcasts

1820
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:12,060
this

1821
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:12,420
is

1822
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:12,760
you know

1823
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,260
lurking

1824
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:13,680
maybe

1825
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,000
even

1826
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,540
explicitly

1827
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:15,220
inside

1828
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:15,860
conversations

1829
00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:16,660
between

1830
00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:17,500
national

1831
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:17,860
leaders

1832
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:18,640
and their

1833
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,100
foreign

1834
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:19,520
emissaries

1835
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,220
and this

1836
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:20,580
is where

1837
00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:21,800
the discussion

1838
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,240
around

1839
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,220
disclosure

1840
00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:23,840
fundamentally

1841
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,260
is a

1842
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:24,620
global

1843
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:25,380
discussion

1844
00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:25,800
right

1845
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,240
it's about

1846
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:26,920
you know

1847
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,480
what this

1848
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,060
means for

1849
00:41:28,060 --> 00:41:28,600
these larger

1850
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:28,940
questions

1851
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:29,600
about the

1852
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,080
systems of

1853
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:30,360
government

1854
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,800
and the

1855
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,180
foreign

1856
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:31,540
relations

1857
00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:31,860
that

1858
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:32,460
you know

1859
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:32,680
we want

1860
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:32,880
to try

1861
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,120
to keep

1862
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,480
stable

1863
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,340
is there

1864
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:34,780
any doubt

1865
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:35,100
in your

1866
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:35,460
mind

1867
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:35,840
that the

1868
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,080
Russians

1869
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,460
and the

1870
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:36,880
Chinese

1871
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,140
know

1872
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:37,720
full well

1873
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:38,180
that there

1874
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:38,460
is a

1875
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:38,820
non-human

1876
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:39,340
intelligence

1877
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:39,900
engaging

1878
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:40,280
with this

1879
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:40,500
planet

1880
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,600
no

1881
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:41,960
no

1882
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,460
they know

1883
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:42,880
just as

1884
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,020
much

1885
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,060
why would

1886
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:45,240
they

1887
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:45,740
collude

1888
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:46,020
then

1889
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:46,280
with

1890
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:46,460
the

1891
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:46,720
United

1892
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:47,160
States

1893
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:47,380
and

1894
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:47,640
keeping

1895
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:47,800
it

1896
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,080
secret

1897
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:48,440
I mean

1898
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:48,700
if you

1899
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:48,860
were

1900
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:49,220
Putin

1901
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:49,920
if you

1902
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,100
wanted

1903
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:50,440
to sort

1904
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:50,540
of

1905
00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:50,960
embarrass

1906
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,400
the

1907
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:51,680
government

1908
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,040
of the

1909
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,300
United

1910
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:52,700
States

1911
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:53,380
wouldn't

1912
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:53,640
one of

1913
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:53,980
the best

1914
00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:54,260
ways

1915
00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:54,640
to do

1916
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:54,920
that

1917
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,340
be to

1918
00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:55,580
say

1919
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:56,180
listen

1920
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:56,660
you know

1921
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:57,040
you guys

1922
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,360
are always

1923
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,000
accusing me

1924
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,360
of being

1925
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:58,540
the

1926
00:41:58,540 --> 00:41:58,980
authoritarian

1927
00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:59,680
but it's

1928
00:41:59,680 --> 00:41:59,880
your

1929
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:00,220
country

1930
00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:00,560
that's

1931
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:00,920
suppressing

1932
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,320
evidence

1933
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:01,560
of a

1934
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:01,900
non-human

1935
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:02,420
intelligence

1936
00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:02,880
why

1937
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,160
wouldn't

1938
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:03,320
the

1939
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,660
Russians

1940
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:04,200
disclose

1941
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,320
I think

1942
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,440
it's

1943
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:05,740
been a

1944
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:06,100
complicated

1945
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:06,480
game

1946
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:06,760
theory

1947
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,080
that

1948
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,240
has

1949
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:07,980
kept

1950
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:08,320
that

1951
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,120
suppressed

1952
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,640
in a

1953
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:09,960
mutually

1954
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,600
reinforcing

1955
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,220
stable

1956
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:11,680
equilibrium

1957
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,360
where

1958
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:12,580
everyone

1959
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:12,740
had

1960
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:12,860
an

1961
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:13,100
interest

1962
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:13,280
in

1963
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:13,440
trying

1964
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:13,580
to

1965
00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:13,720
keep

1966
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:13,820
it

1967
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:13,960
secret

1968
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,120
from

1969
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,260
their

1970
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:14,400
own

1971
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,840
public

1972
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,320
because

1973
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:15,440
there

1974
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:15,560
could

1975
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:15,720
be

1976
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:15,980
second

1977
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:16,160
order

1978
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,460
effects

1979
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:16,580
that

1980
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:16,660
would

1981
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:17,360
destabilize

1982
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:17,880
their

1983
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,220
regime

1984
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:18,800
stability

1985
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,880
as well

1986
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,120
as

1987
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:20,800
you want

1988
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,360
to try

1989
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:21,620
to keep

1990
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:21,980
enough

1991
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:22,280
of your

1992
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:22,600
knowledge

1993
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:22,900
close to

1994
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:23,080
the chest

1995
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,600
you know

1996
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:23,920
that the

1997
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,220
other guy

1998
00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:24,460
knows

1999
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:24,780
something

2000
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:25,100
about

2001
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:25,280
it

2002
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,720
but

2003
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:26,080
you

2004
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,240
don't

2005
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:26,460
really

2006
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:26,660
know

2007
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:27,060
exactly

2008
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:27,240
how

2009
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:27,420
much

2010
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:27,560
they

2011
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:27,800
figured

2012
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:27,980
out

2013
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:28,180
either

2014
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:28,320
about

2015
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,440
the

2016
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:28,880
technology

2017
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:29,100
the

2018
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:29,500
origin

2019
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:30,040
or

2020
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,200
these

2021
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:30,400
other

2022
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:30,840
interrelated

2023
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,320
phenomena

2024
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,160
and so

2025
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:32,720
you do

2026
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:33,160
sort of

2027
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:33,560
a double

2028
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:33,820
game

2029
00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:34,040
right

2030
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:34,280
you want

2031
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:34,540
to try

2032
00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:34,740
to

2033
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:35,260
cooperate

2034
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:35,600
to the

2035
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:35,820
extent

2036
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:36,000
that you

2037
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,220
want

2038
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:36,340
to

2039
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:36,700
glean

2040
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:37,480
some

2041
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:37,920
information

2042
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,140
of your

2043
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:38,440
adversary

2044
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:38,780
how much

2045
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:39,060
do they

2046
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:39,360
know

2047
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,600
right

2048
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:39,880
what do

2049
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:39,960
they

2050
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,100
know

2051
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:40,340
that I

2052
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:40,500
don't

2053
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:40,700
know

2054
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:40,860
so

2055
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:41,040
you

2056
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,480
you

2057
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:41,620
want

2058
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:41,740
to

2059
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:42,100
cooperate

2060
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:42,360
because

2061
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:42,480
you

2062
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:42,600
know

2063
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:42,760
there's

2064
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:42,860
an

2065
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:43,240
exogenous

2066
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:43,640
variable

2067
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:43,960
here

2068
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,360
that

2069
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,600
neither

2070
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:44,820
of you

2071
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:45,220
potentially

2072
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:45,660
perfectly

2073
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:46,000
model

2074
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,200
so

2075
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:46,400
other

2076
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:46,760
people's

2077
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,120
information

2078
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,300
is

2079
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:47,480
very

2080
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:47,800
valuable

2081
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,020
to

2082
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:48,220
you

2083
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:48,720
but

2084
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:48,840
you

2085
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:48,960
don't

2086
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,080
want

2087
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,200
to

2088
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,500
you

2089
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:49,600
know

2090
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:49,900
reveal

2091
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:50,480
all the

2092
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:50,660
things

2093
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:50,820
you've

2094
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:50,960
got

2095
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,080
so

2096
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,240
this

2097
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:51,380
is

2098
00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:51,520
a

2099
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:51,860
complicated

2100
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:52,320
dynamic

2101
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:52,480
that

2102
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:52,620
maybe

2103
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:52,980
kept

2104
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:53,600
kept

2105
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,020
the lid

2106
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:54,300
on

2107
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:54,460
sort

2108
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:54,560
of

2109
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:54,780
public

2110
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:55,260
disclosure

2111
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:56,700
but

2112
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:56,900
maybe

2113
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:57,500
we might

2114
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:57,580
be

2115
00:42:57,580 --> 00:42:57,740
shifting

2116
00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:57,980
to a

2117
00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:58,080
new

2118
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,360
regime

2119
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,280
where

2120
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,060
that

2121
00:43:00,060 --> 00:43:00,720
dynamic

2122
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:00,940
could

2123
00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:01,200
shift

2124
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:01,380
and

2125
00:43:01,380 --> 00:43:01,520
there

2126
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:01,960
has

2127
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,160
been

2128
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,620
concern

2129
00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:02,940
I

2130
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:03,080
know

2131
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,220
it's

2132
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:03,340
been

2133
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:03,580
voiced

2134
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:03,720
to

2135
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:03,840
me

2136
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:03,980
in

2137
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:04,200
different

2138
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:04,480
settings

2139
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:04,760
that

2140
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,380
maybe

2141
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:05,560
not

2142
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Russia

2143
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,120
but

2144
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,580
China

2145
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:07,000
for

2146
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,380
example

2147
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:08,720
feels

2148
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:08,920
like

2149
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,160
they

2150
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:09,720
have

2151
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:10,220
you

2152
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:10,460
know

2153
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:10,880
gotten

2154
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,200
enough

2155
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:11,760
of

2156
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,060
knowledge

2157
00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:12,280
around

2158
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,440
the

2159
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:12,680
subject

2160
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:12,980
that

2161
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:13,800
this

2162
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:13,960
would

2163
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,100
be

2164
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:14,220
in

2165
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:14,340
line

2166
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:14,480
with

2167
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:14,620
their

2168
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:15,000
strategic

2169
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,280
communications

2170
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,780
and

2171
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:16,960
sort

2172
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,040
of

2173
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,360
propaganda

2174
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,700
goals

2175
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:18,920
right

2176
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,140
that

2177
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:19,400
they

2178
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:19,580
can

2179
00:43:19,580 --> 00:43:19,740
sort

2180
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:19,820
of

2181
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:19,980
come

2182
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:20,160
out

2183
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:20,280
and

2184
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:20,580
say

2185
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:21,900
you

2186
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:22,300
blame

2187
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:22,520
the

2188
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:22,680
sort

2189
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:22,920
of

2190
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,420
imperial

2191
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:23,840
west

2192
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,180
for

2193
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:24,420
holding

2194
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:24,600
the

2195
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:24,940
secret

2196
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:25,900
illegally

2197
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:26,120
and

2198
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:26,360
morally

2199
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:26,620
from

2200
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:26,760
the

2201
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,020
world

2202
00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:27,420
in

2203
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:27,540
order

2204
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:27,700
to

2205
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:28,080
exploit

2206
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,220
it

2207
00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:28,480
for

2208
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,000
you

2209
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:29,080
know

2210
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,480
material

2211
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:29,700
and

2212
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:30,020
military

2213
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:30,540
advantage

2214
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:30,880
meanwhile

2215
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,280
we

2216
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,520
who

2217
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:31,720
just

2218
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,100
recently

2219
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:32,380
come

2220
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:32,540
into

2221
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:32,780
this

2222
00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:33,160
knowledge

2223
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:33,840
we

2224
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:34,160
have

2225
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:34,740
studied

2226
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:34,900
it

2227
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:35,060
our

2228
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:35,300
best

2229
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:35,740
scientists

2230
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,060
our

2231
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:42,780
R&D

2232
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:43,200
to

2233
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:43,660
bring

2234
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:43,820
the

2235
00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:44,080
gifts

2236
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:44,260
of

2237
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:44,460
the

2238
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:44,900
technology

2239
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:45,060
that

2240
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:45,200
could

2241
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,460
be

2242
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:46,180
generated

2243
00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:46,480
and

2244
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:46,920
share

2245
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,140
those

2246
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:47,380
with

2247
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:47,860
the

2248
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:48,020
world

2249
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:48,180
right

2250
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:48,300
it

2251
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:48,380
would

2252
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:48,480
be

2253
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:48,600
a

2254
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:48,820
massive

2255
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:49,380
propaganda

2256
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:50,100
victory

2257
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:50,320
right

2258
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:50,600
for their

2259
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:50,800
whole

2260
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,880
shared

2261
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,420
future

2262
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,740
for

2263
00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:56,020
American

2264
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:56,400
a

2265
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:56,840
common

2266
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,360
destiny

2267
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,020
sort

2268
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:58,220
of

2269
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:59,900
verbiage

2270
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:00,020
that

2271
00:44:00,020 --> 00:44:00,120
they

2272
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,200
have

2273
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,300
been

2274
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:00,660
propagating

2275
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:00,780
so

2276
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:00,900
this

2277
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:00,960
is

2278
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,080
a

2279
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,320
massive

2280
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:01,620
risk

2281
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:01,760
this

2282
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:01,840
is

2283
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:01,940
why

2284
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:02,040
the

2285
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,320
disclosure

2286
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:02,760
conversation

2287
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,000
isn't

2288
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,100
just

2289
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:03,200
the

2290
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,420
U.S.

2291
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,660
one

2292
00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:04,220
right

2293
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:04,540
there's

2294
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:04,640
a

2295
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:04,940
dynamic

2296
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:05,260
here

2297
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:05,480
of

2298
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:05,860
it

2299
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:06,020
was

2300
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:06,220
maybe

2301
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:06,380
a

2302
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:06,620
stable

2303
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:06,980
equilibrium

2304
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:07,260
that

2305
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:07,480
kept

2306
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:07,600
it

2307
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:07,820
somewhat

2308
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:08,020
under

2309
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:08,280
wraps

2310
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,560
especially

2311
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:08,780
when it

2312
00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:08,800
was

2313
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:08,940
just

2314
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:09,180
U.S.

2315
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:09,280
and

2316
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:09,500
Russia

2317
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:10,140
now

2318
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:10,300
there's

2319
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:10,420
a

2320
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:10,540
new

2321
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:10,840
party

2322
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,040
and

2323
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,220
they've

2324
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:11,400
caught

2325
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,640
up

2326
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,120
and

2327
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:12,220
they

2328
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:12,360
have

2329
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:12,480
a

2330
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:12,800
much

2331
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,100
larger

2332
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:13,460
ambition

2333
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:13,720
and

2334
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:13,900
maybe

2335
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:14,120
they're

2336
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,260
not

2337
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:14,460
as

2338
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:14,760
worried

2339
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:14,960
about

2340
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,100
the

2341
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,080
domestic

2342
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,280
or

2343
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,840
destabilizing

2344
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,220
effects

2345
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:17,700
in

2346
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:17,800
their

2347
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:17,920
own

2348
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,300
society

2349
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:18,580
because

2350
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:18,700
of

2351
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:19,000
different

2352
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,840
metaphysical

2353
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,200
basis

2354
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:20,380
in

2355
00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:20,480
their

2356
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:20,720
belief

2357
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:21,100
system

2358
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:21,700
or

2359
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:21,980
other

2360
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:22,940
considerations

2361
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:23,420
so

2362
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:23,560
this

2363
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:23,660
is

2364
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:23,800
a

2365
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,100
new

2366
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:24,860
regime

2367
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:25,020
we

2368
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:36,440
of

2369
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:36,860
power

2370
00:44:36,860 --> 00:44:37,440
chatting

2371
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,080
quietly

2372
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:38,340
with

2373
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:38,680
senators

2374
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:39,000
and

2375
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,340
congress

2376
00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:39,680
people

2377
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,640
have

2378
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:40,840
you

2379
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,080
ever

2380
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,640
heard

2381
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,100
the

2382
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:42,540
whispers

2383
00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:42,900
that

2384
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:43,100
there

2385
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:43,260
is

2386
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:43,480
this

2387
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,040
program

2388
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:44,520
in

2389
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,040
operation

2390
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:45,500
this

2391
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:45,900
reverse

2392
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:46,360
engineering

2393
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:46,920
program

2394
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,220
we've

2395
00:44:47,220 --> 00:44:47,760
retrieved

2396
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,300
non-human

2397
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:48,960
technology

2398
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,720
I mean

2399
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:51,160
I've

2400
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:51,580
heard

2401
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:52,280
again

2402
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:52,480
it's

2403
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,620
like

2404
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:53,020
there's

2405
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:53,140
an

2406
00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:53,440
elephant

2407
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,920
and

2408
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,160
you

2409
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:54,500
touch

2410
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:54,700
a

2411
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:55,020
tail

2412
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:55,360
you

2413
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:55,560
touch

2414
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:55,700
a

2415
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:56,000
toe

2416
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,300
you

2417
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:56,460
touch

2418
00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:56,600
a

2419
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,080
tusk

2420
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:57,700
and

2421
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:57,840
you're

2422
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:57,980
like

2423
00:44:57,980 --> 00:44:58,080
I

2424
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,320
think

2425
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,480
this

2426
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:58,560
is

2427
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:58,680
an

2428
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,000
elephant

2429
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,720
but

2430
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:00,000
nobody

2431
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,240
comes

2432
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:00,360
out

2433
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,480
and

2434
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:00,640
says

2435
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:00,800
it's

2436
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:00,920
an

2437
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,180
elephant

2438
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:06,120
there's

2439
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,360
obviously

2440
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:06,740
individuals

2441
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:06,880
that

2442
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:06,940
are

2443
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:07,020
in

2444
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:07,080
the

2445
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,260
public

2446
00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:07,660
domain

2447
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:08,040
the

2448
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,220
folks

2449
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:08,320
that

2450
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:08,400
have

2451
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,560
come

2452
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:08,800
out

2453
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,340
spoken

2454
00:45:09,340 --> 00:45:09,500
at

2455
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:09,640
Seoul

2456
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,060
foundation

2457
00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:10,220
that

2458
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:10,360
have

2459
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:10,580
made

2460
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:10,840
the

2461
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,160
clear

2462
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:11,360
and

2463
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:11,960
declarative

2464
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,140
allegation

2465
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:14,780
of these

2466
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:15,300
programs

2467
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:15,520
and

2468
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:15,820
those

2469
00:45:15,820 --> 00:45:16,280
folks

2470
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:16,560
have

2471
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,200
the

2472
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:17,560
bona fides

2473
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:17,800
and

2474
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,500
I'm

2475
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:19,040
very

2476
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,500
confident

2477
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:19,980
in

2478
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:20,240
their

2479
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:20,760
quality

2480
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:20,980
and

2481
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:21,280
the

2482
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:21,820
source

2483
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:21,940
of

2484
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:22,080
their

2485
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,600
assertions

2486
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,640
but

2487
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:23,760
it

2488
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:23,960
also

2489
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,320
comports

2490
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:24,460
with

2491
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:24,620
other

2492
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:25,040
information

2493
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,220
that

2494
00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:25,400
I've

2495
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:25,940
gleaned

2496
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:26,060
in

2497
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:26,440
various

2498
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,520
snippets

2499
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,000
of

2500
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:28,360
that

2501
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:28,700
elephant

2502
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,000
that

2503
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,980
generally

2504
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:30,260
paint

2505
00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:30,420
this

2506
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:30,800
mosaic

2507
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,160
of

2508
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:31,580
yes

2509
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:31,880
like

2510
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,180
these

2511
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:32,500
are

2512
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:33,200
long

2513
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,700
standing

2514
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:34,540
I think

2515
00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:34,980
somewhat

2516
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:35,640
fragmented

2517
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,760
compartmentalized

2518
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,120
programs

2519
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:38,980
that

2520
00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:39,640
exist

2521
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:39,980
across

2522
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:40,120
a

2523
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:40,380
smattering

2524
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:40,540
of

2525
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:40,880
different

2526
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,460
defense

2527
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:41,780
primes

2528
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:41,920
and

2529
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,120
then

2530
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,580
are

2531
00:45:42,580 --> 00:45:43,080
custodied

2532
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:43,280
in

2533
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,540
a

2534
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:43,720
variety

2535
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:43,840
of

2536
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,000
different

2537
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,420
locations

2538
00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:44,700
and

2539
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:44,840
this

2540
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:44,940
is

2541
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:45,060
an

2542
00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:45,260
active

2543
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:45,600
program

2544
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:45,800
at

2545
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,160
scale

2546
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,460
long

2547
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:47,760
running

2548
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,980
One

2549
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:49,220
thing

2550
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:49,440
that

2551
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:49,940
I

2552
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:50,100
was

2553
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:50,500
told

2554
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:51,280
by

2555
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:51,440
a

2556
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:51,580
very

2557
00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:51,780
good

2558
00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:52,180
source

2559
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:52,420
was

2560
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:52,660
that

2561
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:53,180
Israel

2562
00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:53,660
is

2563
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:53,920
much

2564
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,180
more

2565
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:54,600
intimately

2566
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,220
involved

2567
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:55,460
in

2568
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:55,600
the

2569
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:55,860
legacy

2570
00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:56,420
program

2571
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:56,640
that

2572
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:56,800
has

2573
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,240
previously

2574
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:57,560
been

2575
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,240
disclosed

2576
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:58,600
to

2577
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:58,860
date

2578
00:45:58,860 --> 00:45:59,340
have

2579
00:45:59,340 --> 00:45:59,440
you

2580
00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:59,600
ever

2581
00:45:59,600 --> 00:45:59,800
heard

2582
00:45:59,800 --> 00:45:59,960
any

2583
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:00,560
intimations

2584
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:00,760
of

2585
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:00,880
the

2586
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,240
Israelis

2587
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:01,520
being

2588
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:01,920
involved

2589
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,280
I

2590
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:03,420
mean

2591
00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:03,580
well

2592
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:03,760
there's

2593
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:03,960
the

2594
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,320
famous

2595
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:04,500
you

2596
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:04,760
know

2597
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,060
sort

2598
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:05,120
of

2599
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,640
book

2600
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,060
where

2601
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:07,300
he

2602
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,540
alleges

2603
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:09,800
that

2604
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,800
I

2605
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,020
haven't

2606
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:11,260
heard

2607
00:46:11,260 --> 00:46:11,760
anything

2608
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,780
first

2609
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:13,020
hand

2610
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:13,240
about

2611
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:13,500
that

2612
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:14,540
I

2613
00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:14,940
strongly

2614
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:15,340
suspect

2615
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:15,660
it

2616
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:17,120
and

2617
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:17,520
recently

2618
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:17,980
I

2619
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:18,120
was

2620
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:18,200
in

2621
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,300
a

2622
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:18,760
conversation

2623
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,160
with

2624
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,260
and

2625
00:46:20,260 --> 00:46:20,620
this

2626
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:20,760
is

2627
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,120
recorded

2628
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:21,300
so

2629
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:21,400
it

2630
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:21,420
will

2631
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:21,480
be

2632
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:21,900
public

2633
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:24,140
that

2634
00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:24,460
will

2635
00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:25,440
basically

2636
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:25,840
describe

2637
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:26,080
kind

2638
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:26,400
of

2639
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:26,920
senior

2640
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,480
someone

2641
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:27,780
very

2642
00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:28,100
connected

2643
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:28,360
to

2644
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Israel

2645
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,180
talking

2646
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:30,340
about

2647
00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:30,480
the

2648
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:30,820
subject

2649
00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:32,340
and

2650
00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:32,740
it

2651
00:46:32,740 --> 00:46:33,680
relates

2652
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,320
in

2653
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:34,580
general

2654
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:34,960
to

2655
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,700
what

2656
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:35,840
we

2657
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,020
think

2658
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:36,320
about

2659
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,140
the

2660
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:37,460
Israeli

2661
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:37,820
military

2662
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:38,480
complex

2663
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:38,920
and how

2664
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,280
close

2665
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:39,400
it

2666
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:39,640
was

2667
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:39,940
to

2668
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:40,220
the

2669
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:40,500
US

2670
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:41,460
complex

2671
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:41,720
and

2672
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:42,340
we

2673
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:42,660
have

2674
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:43,460
we

2675
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:43,640
have

2676
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,040
embarked

2677
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,380
on

2678
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:44,880
a

2679
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,800
sensitive

2680
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,180
relationship

2681
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:46,520
with Israel

2682
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:46,840
over the

2683
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,020
years

2684
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:47,200
right

2685
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:47,340
like

2686
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:47,460
we

2687
00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:47,660
have

2688
00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:47,880
very

2689
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,200
sensitive

2690
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:48,660
technology

2691
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:49,000
transfer

2692
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:49,440
programs

2693
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:49,620
with

2694
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:49,860
them

2695
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:50,820
they

2696
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:50,980
also

2697
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:51,100
have

2698
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:51,240
very

2699
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:51,500
sensitive

2700
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:51,980
technology

2701
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:52,420
transfer

2702
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:52,920
programs

2703
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,040
with

2704
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:53,200
us

2705
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:53,320
because

2706
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:53,460
they

2707
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:53,740
often

2708
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:54,060
have

2709
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:54,740
breakthroughs

2710
00:46:54,740 --> 00:46:54,820
that

2711
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:54,920
we

2712
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,040
don't

2713
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,160
get

2714
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,280
because

2715
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:55,420
they're

2716
00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:55,760
extremely

2717
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,060
good

2718
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:57,360
but

2719
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:57,500
of

2720
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:57,640
course

2721
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:57,800
they

2722
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:57,940
live

2723
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:58,020
in

2724
00:46:58,020 --> 00:46:58,100
a

2725
00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:58,280
very

2726
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:58,660
much

2727
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:58,800
more

2728
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,080
volatile

2729
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,580
environment

2730
00:46:59,580 --> 00:46:59,760
right

2731
00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:59,880
so

2732
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,000
they

2733
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,120
would

2734
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,240
have

2735
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:00,340
an

2736
00:47:00,340 --> 00:47:00,540
acute

2737
00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:01,000
interest

2738
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,740
in

2739
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:02,020
you

2740
00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:02,100
know

2741
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:02,920
operationalizing

2742
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,120
some

2743
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:03,500
capabilities

2744
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:03,620
and

2745
00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:03,700
maybe

2746
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:03,920
we

2747
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,080
would

2748
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,280
much

2749
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,620
more

2750
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:05,220
like

2751
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:05,340
to

2752
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:05,500
hold

2753
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:05,820
back

2754
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:06,080
right

2755
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,260
for

2756
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:06,480
say

2757
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:06,640
a

2758
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:06,860
really

2759
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:07,320
covert

2760
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:07,800
ISR

2761
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:08,120
thing

2762
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:08,440
so

2763
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:08,580
there's

2764
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:08,720
an

2765
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,040
inherent

2766
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:09,400
risk

2767
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:09,720
associated

2768
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:10,380
with

2769
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:10,520
you

2770
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,100
know

2771
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:12,240
Israel's

2772
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:12,940
programs

2773
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:13,280
like

2774
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:13,540
leading

2775
00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:14,060
to

2776
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:14,580
you

2777
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:14,780
know

2778
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:15,500
disclosure

2779
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:15,700
of

2780
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:15,980
some

2781
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:16,700
advancements

2782
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:17,200
because

2783
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:17,340
their

2784
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:18,380
threshold

2785
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:18,580
for

2786
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:18,980
operational

2787
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,140
advancements

2788
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:27,020
I expect

2789
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:27,260
almost

2790
00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:27,560
every

2791
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:27,780
government

2792
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:28,080
that has

2793
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:28,180
a

2794
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:28,340
nuclear

2795
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:28,860
program

2796
00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:30,400
probably

2797
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:30,660
has

2798
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:30,980
something

2799
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:31,360
like

2800
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:31,580
you

2801
00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:31,740
know

2802
00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:31,900
a

2803
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:32,180
UAP

2804
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:32,760
program

2805
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,700
you

2806
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:33,820
know

2807
00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:34,000
at

2808
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,220
different

2809
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:34,460
stages

2810
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:34,660
of

2811
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:35,020
maturity

2812
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:35,420
and

2813
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:36,100
understanding

2814
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:36,900
but

2815
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:37,120
I

2816
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:37,240
don't

2817
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:37,420
think

2818
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:37,560
it's

2819
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:37,800
actually

2820
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:38,380
like

2821
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:38,740
that

2822
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:38,900
much

2823
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:39,140
of a

2824
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:41,360
monopoly

2825
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,900
you

2826
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:43,040
know

2827
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,340
around

2828
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:43,460
the

2829
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:43,620
great

2830
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:44,000
powers

2831
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,360
I

2832
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:45,560
spent

2833
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:45,700
a lot

2834
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:45,800
of

2835
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,040
time

2836
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,340
looking

2837
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:46,700
at

2838
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:47,080
the

2839
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,160
extraordinary

2840
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:48,760
claims

2841
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,060
made

2842
00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:49,320
by

2843
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:49,580
of

2844
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:49,680
all

2845
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:49,920
people

2846
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,240
rock

2847
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:50,540
star

2848
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:50,920
Tom

2849
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,360
DeLong

2850
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:51,580
and

2851
00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:51,700
I

2852
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:52,040
actually

2853
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,260
think

2854
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:52,520
Tom

2855
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:52,700
is

2856
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:53,060
telling

2857
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:53,400
a

2858
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:53,640
very

2859
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:53,980
true

2860
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:54,460
story

2861
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:54,800
that

2862
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,240
essentially

2863
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:55,520
in

2864
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:55,660
the

2865
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:56,040
years

2866
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:56,520
prior

2867
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:56,780
to

2868
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:57,040
the

2869
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:57,720
Hillary

2870
00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:58,140
Clinton

2871
00:47:58,140 --> 00:47:58,600
Donald

2872
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Trump

2873
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,660
first

2874
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:00,100
election

2875
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:00,960
campaign

2876
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:01,500
challenge

2877
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:02,160
there was

2878
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,620
a decision

2879
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:03,160
made

2880
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:03,900
by people

2881
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:04,220
in the

2882
00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:04,520
defense

2883
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,020
department

2884
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:05,420
and

2885
00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:05,780
private

2886
00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:06,200
aerospace

2887
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,940
that

2888
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:07,180
they'd

2889
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:07,320
better

2890
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:07,680
get out

2891
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:07,940
on the

2892
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:08,160
front

2893
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:08,420
foot

2894
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:08,940
and

2895
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:09,080
they

2896
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:09,240
were

2897
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:09,680
preparing

2898
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,100
for

2899
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:10,560
disclosure

2900
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:10,840
and

2901
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,060
that

2902
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:11,480
as

2903
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:11,720
much

2904
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:11,900
as

2905
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:12,420
revealed

2906
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:13,100
in

2907
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:13,420
the

2908
00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:14,200
WikiLeaks

2909
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:14,620
document

2910
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:14,900
that

2911
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:15,240
clearly

2912
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:15,640
show

2913
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:15,980
that

2914
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:17,200
Clinton's

2915
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:17,580
campaign

2916
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:18,020
advisor

2917
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:18,320
John

2918
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Podesta

2919
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:18,880
who

2920
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,080
was

2921
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,720
obviously

2922
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:19,920
at

2923
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,220
senior

2924
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:20,560
levels

2925
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:20,760
in

2926
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,100
both

2927
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:21,920
Bill

2928
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,400
Clinton's

2929
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,860
White House

2930
00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:23,180
and

2931
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:23,660
Barack

2932
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:24,180
Obama's

2933
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:24,560
White House

2934
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:25,340
he was

2935
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:25,720
heavily

2936
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:26,280
involved

2937
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:26,560
in

2938
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,120
conversations

2939
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,620
with a

2940
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:28,160
very senior

2941
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,620
executive

2942
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:29,220
from

2943
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:29,740
Lockheed

2944
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:30,120
Martin

2945
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,880
with

2946
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,260
people

2947
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:31,700
General

2948
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:31,900
Neil

2949
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:32,520
McCaslin

2950
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:32,800
from

2951
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,560
the

2952
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,200
US

2953
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,660
Air Force

2954
00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:35,000
General

2955
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,380
Michael

2956
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:35,760
Kerry

2957
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,060
from

2958
00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:36,240
the

2959
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:36,520
US

2960
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:36,700
Air

2961
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:36,920
Force

2962
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:37,560
and

2963
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:37,720
there

2964
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:38,100
appeared

2965
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:38,440
to be

2966
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:38,640
some

2967
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:38,960
kind

2968
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:39,120
of

2969
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,580
strategic

2970
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:40,060
planning

2971
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:40,580
for

2972
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:41,120
what

2973
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,320
was

2974
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:41,800
essentially

2975
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,200
seen

2976
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,380
as

2977
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:42,920
a

2978
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,560
likely

2979
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Hillary

2980
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,280
Clinton

2981
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:44,820
victory

2982
00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:45,980
the

2983
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:46,500
possibility

2984
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:46,920
or the

2985
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,440
probability

2986
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:47,980
that there

2987
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:48,420
was going

2988
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:48,980
to be

2989
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:49,460
a

2990
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:50,040
disclosure

2991
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:50,580
president

2992
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:51,080
pushing

2993
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:51,660
for

2994
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:52,360
disclosure

2995
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,880
do you

2996
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,160
agree

2997
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,520
with that

2998
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:54,860
analysis

2999
00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:55,240
do you

3000
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:55,420
think

3001
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:55,780
that there

3002
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:56,260
was

3003
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:56,880
we came

3004
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,160
very

3005
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:57,640
close

3006
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,400
in

3007
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,000
2017

3008
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,980
to a

3009
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:00,340
possible

3010
00:49:00,340 --> 00:49:00,900
disclosure

3011
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:01,500
presidency

3012
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:02,080
that was

3013
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:02,640
confounded

3014
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,240
by Donald

3015
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:03,540
Trump

3016
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:03,840
winning

3017
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,120
in

3018
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,060
2017

3019
00:49:05,060 --> 00:49:06,700
yes

3020
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:07,080
no I

3021
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,440
would

3022
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:07,780
concur

3023
00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:09,340
with your

3024
00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:09,720
assessment

3025
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:10,420
and I

3026
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:10,660
would even

3027
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:11,040
connect it

3028
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,480
to something

3029
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,100
Jake

3030
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:12,380
Barber

3031
00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:12,680
mentioned

3032
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:12,960
I think

3033
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:13,220
it was

3034
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:13,520
in

3035
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,100
Jesse

3036
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:15,720
Michael's

3037
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,120
interview

3038
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,120
where he

3039
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:17,880
described

3040
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,780
maybe speculation

3041
00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:20,180
on his

3042
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:20,460
part

3043
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:21,080
about the

3044
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,440
origin

3045
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:21,740
of the

3046
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:22,260
program

3047
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:22,640
that he

3048
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:22,880
was

3049
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,100
sort of

3050
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:23,360
recruited

3051
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:23,580
into

3052
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:24,420
as being

3053
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:25,860
you know

3054
00:49:25,860 --> 00:49:26,280
created

3055
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:26,980
at the

3056
00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:27,440
behest

3057
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,980
of

3058
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:28,340
President

3059
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:28,680
Clinton

3060
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:29,480
and my

3061
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:29,860
sort of

3062
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:30,660
interpolation

3063
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:31,680
of that

3064
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,240
you know

3065
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:32,760
this is me

3066
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,060
sort of

3067
00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:33,560
speculating

3068
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:33,920
on top

3069
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,220
of that

3070
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:34,640
is that

3071
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,160
if

3072
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:35,400
President

3073
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:35,620
Clinton

3074
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:35,980
had come

3075
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:36,120
into

3076
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,420
office

3077
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:37,020
with some

3078
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:37,860
broad

3079
00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:38,480
but very

3080
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:38,740
much

3081
00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:39,200
vague

3082
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:39,540
awareness

3083
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:40,200
of these

3084
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:40,580
programs

3085
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:40,840
and wanted

3086
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,040
to get

3087
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,260
to the

3088
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:41,420
bottom

3089
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:41,640
of it

3090
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:42,200
and tasks

3091
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:42,460
his

3092
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:42,660
senior

3093
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:43,040
advisors

3094
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:43,420
to go

3095
00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:43,640
out

3096
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,280
and say

3097
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:44,420
I'm

3098
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:44,540
the

3099
00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:44,860
president

3100
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:45,340
this is

3101
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:47,300
what I

3102
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:47,500
want to

3103
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:47,700
know

3104
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:47,980
and he

3105
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:48,160
gets

3106
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,320
the

3107
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:48,520
stiff

3108
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:48,720
arm

3109
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:48,960
well

3110
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,700
he

3111
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:49,860
would

3112
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:50,120
be

3113
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,060
concerned

3114
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:51,360
right

3115
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,560
that

3116
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:52,020
there's

3117
00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:52,280
rogue

3118
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:52,700
programs

3119
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:52,900
out

3120
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:53,140
there

3121
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:53,560
well

3122
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:53,700
then

3123
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:53,800
you

3124
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:53,980
might

3125
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:54,080
want

3126
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:54,140
to

3127
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:54,200
be

3128
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:54,340
like

3129
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:54,520
well

3130
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:54,800
what

3131
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:54,920
can

3132
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,000
I

3133
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:55,100
do

3134
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:55,220
as

3135
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:55,520
president

3136
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,400
I

3137
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:56,600
can

3138
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:56,740
just

3139
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:57,060
meekly

3140
00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:57,340
accept

3141
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:57,640
that

3142
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,260
or

3143
00:49:58,260 --> 00:49:58,480
you

3144
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:58,660
can

3145
00:49:58,660 --> 00:49:58,940
create

3146
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:59,100
your

3147
00:49:59,100 --> 00:49:59,540
own

3148
00:49:59,540 --> 00:50:00,260
secret

3149
00:50:00,260 --> 00:50:00,820
programs

3150
00:50:00,820 --> 00:50:01,140
off

3151
00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:01,280
the

3152
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,620
books

3153
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:02,140
to

3154
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:02,320
try

3155
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:02,480
to

3156
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:02,660
get

3157
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:02,820
the

3158
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:03,060
read

3159
00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:03,200
on

3160
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:03,340
what

3161
00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:03,480
these

3162
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,680
other

3163
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:03,940
secret

3164
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:04,360
programs

3165
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:04,600
that

3166
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:04,980
they're

3167
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:05,120
not

3168
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,320
telling

3169
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:05,460
you

3170
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:05,680
about

3171
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:05,800
are

3172
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,040
doing

3173
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:06,800
and

3174
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:06,980
this

3175
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:07,140
is

3176
00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:07,420
like

3177
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:07,560
you

3178
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:07,640
know

3179
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:07,760
it

3180
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,040
sounds

3181
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:08,780
somewhat

3182
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:09,000
you

3183
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:09,280
know

3184
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:09,800
exaggerated

3185
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,020
but

3186
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:10,280
it's

3187
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:10,420
kind

3188
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:10,480
of

3189
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:10,580
what

3190
00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:10,660
you

3191
00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:10,780
would

3192
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:11,120
expect

3193
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,780
bureaucratically

3194
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:12,020
right

3195
00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:12,220
is

3196
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:12,380
just

3197
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:12,500
you

3198
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:12,620
just

3199
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:12,840
sign

3200
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,480
a memo

3201
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:13,820
and now

3202
00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:13,920
you've

3203
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,080
got a

3204
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:14,200
whole

3205
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:14,400
new

3206
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:34,840
intelligence

3207
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,000
on

3208
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:35,180
maybe

3209
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:35,460
what

3210
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:35,760
parts

3211
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:35,860
of

3212
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:36,100
my

3213
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:37,020
apparatus

3214
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:37,260
are

3215
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:37,480
doing

3216
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:37,700
without

3217
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:37,900
my

3218
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:38,260
knowledge

3219
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:39,260
and

3220
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:39,420
that

3221
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:39,600
made

3222
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:39,680
me

3223
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:39,840
have

3224
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,140
collected

3225
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:40,520
information

3226
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:40,720
that

3227
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:40,920
led

3228
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,120
you

3229
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,200
know

3230
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:41,540
ultimately

3231
00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:41,820
to

3232
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:42,060
the

3233
00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:43,060
part

3234
00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:43,260
two

3235
00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:43,960
but

3236
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,100
the

3237
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:44,560
corollary

3238
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:44,740
to

3239
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:44,880
what

3240
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,040
we're

3241
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:45,320
talking

3242
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:45,620
about

3243
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:45,920
here

3244
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,100
is

3245
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:46,340
that

3246
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:46,760
clearly

3247
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,100
when

3248
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:47,420
Donald

3249
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:47,780
Trump

3250
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:48,220
did

3251
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:48,620
become

3252
00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:49,060
president

3253
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:49,340
in

3254
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:49,860
defiance

3255
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:50,060
of

3256
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:50,200
what

3257
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:50,340
was

3258
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:50,580
being

3259
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:50,980
predicted

3260
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:51,620
it

3261
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:51,720
was

3262
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:51,880
a

3263
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,180
huge

3264
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:52,500
upset

3265
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:52,940
even

3266
00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:53,120
to

3267
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:53,260
the

3268
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:53,580
mainstream

3269
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:54,100
media

3270
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,900
it's

3271
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:56,220
quite

3272
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:56,620
clear

3273
00:50:56,620 --> 00:50:57,180
a decision

3274
00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:57,820
was made

3275
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:58,220
inside

3276
00:50:58,220 --> 00:50:58,400
the

3277
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:58,700
national

3278
00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:59,220
security

3279
00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:59,820
establishment

3280
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:00,360
to

3281
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:00,760
not

3282
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,760
disclose

3283
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,660
that

3284
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:03,020
president

3285
00:51:03,020 --> 00:51:03,400
Trump

3286
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,060
wasn't

3287
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:04,760
a

3288
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,180
disclosure

3289
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:05,700
president

3290
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:06,620
has

3291
00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:06,920
anything

3292
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:07,560
changed

3293
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:07,840
I mean

3294
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Trump's

3295
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:08,480
a very

3296
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,260
transactional

3297
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:09,700
person

3298
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:10,180
what's

3299
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:10,440
in it

3300
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:10,680
for

3301
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:10,980
Trump

3302
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:11,260
to

3303
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:11,700
disclose

3304
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,520
well

3305
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:13,840
this is

3306
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,060
where

3307
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:14,700
I'm

3308
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:15,400
speculating

3309
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:15,700
but

3310
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:16,220
I think

3311
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:16,740
ultimately

3312
00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:17,220
it's not

3313
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:17,840
there's

3314
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:18,320
individuals

3315
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:18,920
like

3316
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,320
presidents

3317
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:19,700
and then

3318
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:19,840
there's

3319
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,280
a political

3320
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,780
economy

3321
00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:20,980
and a

3322
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:21,160
political

3323
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,540
structure

3324
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:21,840
around

3325
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,020
that

3326
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:22,340
president

3327
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:22,940
and I

3328
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:23,100
think

3329
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:23,260
the

3330
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:23,520
political

3331
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:23,980
economy

3332
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:24,380
like

3333
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:24,520
the

3334
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:24,760
political

3335
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,220
structure

3336
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:25,880
the elite

3337
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:26,600
figures

3338
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,360
the factions

3339
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:27,600
that

3340
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:28,780
president

3341
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:29,140
Trump

3342
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:29,480
are

3343
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:29,720
very

3344
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:30,020
different

3345
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:30,220
now

3346
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:30,340
than

3347
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:30,440
they

3348
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:30,720
were

3349
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:31,360
in

3350
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:31,780
2017

3351
00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:32,480
and

3352
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:32,660
I

3353
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:32,980
looked

3354
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:33,080
at

3355
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:33,180
the

3356
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:33,700
motivations

3357
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:34,500
and

3358
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:34,760
the

3359
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,640
objectives

3360
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,440
of that

3361
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:36,840
entire

3362
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,820
collection

3363
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:39,060
of elite

3364
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:39,580
interests

3365
00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:40,160
that are

3366
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:40,400
around

3367
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,560
the

3368
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:40,880
president

3369
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,120
that are

3370
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,340
now

3371
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:42,920
aggressively

3372
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,580
moving

3373
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:44,360
the

3374
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:44,580
federal

3375
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:45,060
bureaucracy

3376
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:45,580
breaking

3377
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:45,700
the

3378
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:45,860
federal

3379
00:51:45,860 --> 00:51:46,300
bureaucracy

3380
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:46,800
in some

3381
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,180
ways

3382
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:48,640
and want

3383
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,140
to also

3384
00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:49,480
in the

3385
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:49,640
same

3386
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,060
fashion

3387
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:50,980
in

3388
00:51:50,980 --> 00:51:51,400
Silicon

3389
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:51,740
Valley

3390
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:52,220
disruption

3391
00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:52,640
era

3392
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,300
break up

3393
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:53,600
a lot

3394
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:53,800
of these

3395
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,160
institutional

3396
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,580
structures

3397
00:51:54,580 --> 00:51:54,920
that you

3398
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:55,100
could

3399
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:55,580
imagine

3400
00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:55,960
have

3401
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,520
encased

3402
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,080
in

3403
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,340
different

3404
00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:58,140
carapaces

3405
00:51:58,140 --> 00:51:58,760
the

3406
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,000
legacy

3407
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,400
program

3408
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,240
and whether

3409
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:00,500
it's an

3410
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:00,780
objective

3411
00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:01,180
to get

3412
00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:01,500
at the

3413
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:01,720
legacy

3414
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:02,180
program

3415
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:03,040
or whether

3416
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,340
it's just

3417
00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:03,940
an incidental

3418
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:04,360
discovery

3419
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:04,780
along the

3420
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:04,960
way

3421
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:05,580
I don't

3422
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:05,800
know

3423
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:06,340
but I

3424
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:06,620
think there's

3425
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:06,820
a lot

3426
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:07,080
of folks

3427
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:07,340
out in

3428
00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:07,600
Silicon

3429
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:07,960
Valley

3430
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,840
that are

3431
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,780
interested in

3432
00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:10,160
the subject

3433
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:10,660
that have

3434
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:11,940
a bead

3435
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:12,400
on the

3436
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:12,800
subject

3437
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:13,680
and would

3438
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,060
be very

3439
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:14,680
curious to

3440
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,240
get to

3441
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:15,700
ground truth

3442
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:16,100
and I would

3443
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:16,380
look to

3444
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:16,660
say

3445
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:17,160
Representative

3446
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:17,660
Gallagher

3447
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:18,180
who in

3448
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:18,520
another

3449
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:18,980
era

3450
00:52:18,980 --> 00:52:19,860
would be

3451
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:20,280
the type

3452
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:20,540
of guy

3453
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:20,760
that would

3454
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,060
go to

3455
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:21,520
be on the

3456
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:21,800
board of

3457
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,100
Lockheed

3458
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:23,200
or get

3459
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:23,600
tapped to

3460
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:23,780
be a

3461
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:24,260
private equity

3462
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:24,940
guy at

3463
00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:25,680
Carlyle

3464
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Group

3465
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,020
instead he

3466
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:27,260
goes to

3467
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:27,820
become head

3468
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:28,320
of defense

3469
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:28,960
at Palantir

3470
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,560
right

3471
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,320
that's just

3472
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:30,700
sort of me

3473
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:31,200
an indication

3474
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:31,500
of the

3475
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:32,520
shifting power

3476
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,260
dynamic in

3477
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:33,780
US political

3478
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:34,200
economy

3479
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:34,800
where now

3480
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,200
these

3481
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,680
defense

3482
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,380
contractors

3483
00:52:37,380 --> 00:52:37,760
now

3484
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,040
right

3485
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:38,480
and a real

3486
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,120
Palantir

3487
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:39,900
a whole host

3488
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:40,200
of AI

3489
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:40,760
companies that

3490
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,020
are now

3491
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:41,540
very close

3492
00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:41,740
to the

3493
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:42,020
security

3494
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:42,400
state

3495
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,940
have the

3496
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:44,220
power

3497
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:44,560
have the

3498
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:44,960
technological

3499
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,620
capabilities

3500
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:46,340
probably have

3501
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:46,760
like the

3502
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,720
young talent

3503
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:48,360
the brains

3504
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,000
and the

3505
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,280
political

3506
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:49,640
juice

3507
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:49,980
now

3508
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:50,600
in DC

3509
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,660
to sort

3510
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:52,220
of call

3511
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:52,680
the shots

3512
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:53,080
and the

3513
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,320
legacy

3514
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:53,720
defense

3515
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:54,220
primes

3516
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:54,580
that used

3517
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:55,000
to hold

3518
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:55,420
you know

3519
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:56,360
congressmen

3520
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:56,720
you know

3521
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:57,020
kind of

3522
00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:57,220
somewhat

3523
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:57,620
hostage

3524
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:58,080
right

3525
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:58,820
maybe have

3526
00:52:58,820 --> 00:52:59,100
lost

3527
00:52:59,100 --> 00:52:59,560
the juice

3528
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,340
and that

3529
00:53:00,340 --> 00:53:00,900
ultimately

3530
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:01,300
is what

3531
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:01,640
shifts

3532
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,380
disclosure

3533
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:03,140
structures

3534
00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:03,640
is when

3535
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:03,960
you have

3536
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,380
the political

3537
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:04,980
system

3538
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:06,020
respond to

3539
00:53:06,020 --> 00:53:06,620
very different

3540
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:07,080
centers of

3541
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:07,360
power

3542
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,700
and I

3543
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:08,880
think there

3544
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,060
could be

3545
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:09,220
other

3546
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:09,740
consequences

3547
00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:10,220
of that

3548
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:10,720
but that

3549
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:10,940
to me

3550
00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:11,340
is why

3551
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:11,760
Trump

3552
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,420
2.0

3553
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:12,660
is just

3554
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:12,920
fundamentally

3555
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,340
different

3556
00:53:13,340 --> 00:53:13,820
on the

3557
00:53:13,820 --> 00:53:14,040
subject

3558
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,640
than 1.0

3559
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,020
you're giving

3560
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:16,540
me reason

3561
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:17,340
for optimism

3562
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:17,780
Matthew

3563
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:20,340
optimism

3564
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:21,340
pessimism

3565
00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:21,600
I don't

3566
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:21,700
know

3567
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:22,460
I'm an

3568
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:22,820
analyst

3569
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:23,080
and a

3570
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:23,440
realist

3571
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:23,960
I try

3572
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,100
to be

3573
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:24,760
a pragmatist

3574
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,040
I don't

3575
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:25,360
know

3576
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:25,960
what

3577
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,360
scenario

3578
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,000
is optimal

3579
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:27,300
here

3580
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:27,640
I just

3581
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:27,900
think

3582
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:28,460
we're

3583
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:28,640
heading

3584
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:28,920
towards

3585
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,320
a pattern

3586
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,120
of

3587
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,120
disclosure

3588
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:32,580
that's

3589
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:33,040
in my

3590
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:33,200
view

3591
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:33,900
more like

3592
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:34,180
there's

3593
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:34,700
control

3594
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:35,180
disclosure

3595
00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:36,340
you know

3596
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:37,100
catastrophic

3597
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:37,600
disclosure

3598
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:37,860
that people

3599
00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:38,100
talk about

3600
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:38,320
I think

3601
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:38,560
it's more

3602
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:38,860
like a

3603
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:39,160
chaotic

3604
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:39,680
disclosure

3605
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,000
kind of

3606
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,240
this

3607
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,320
ping pong

3608
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:41,920
ball

3609
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,700
where

3610
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:43,440
and disclosure

3611
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,020
is a process

3612
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:44,400
of social

3613
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:44,940
sense making

3614
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:45,400
it's not

3615
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:45,860
like the

3616
00:53:45,860 --> 00:53:46,300
release of

3617
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:46,760
information

3618
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,340
it's the

3619
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:47,880
absorption

3620
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,620
and integration

3621
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:49,240
of information

3622
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:50,020
into worldviews

3623
00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:50,640
and that

3624
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,160
requires

3625
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,320
people being

3626
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,060
ready to

3627
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:54,460
have the

3628
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:54,940
conversation

3629
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:55,660
and to

3630
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:56,360
incorporate

3631
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,260
different levels

3632
00:53:57,260 --> 00:53:57,720
of this

3633
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:58,360
into their

3634
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,200
worldviews

3635
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,640
isn't just a

3636
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:59,960
simple

3637
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:00,680
you know

3638
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,480
oh there's

3639
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,040
you know

3640
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,420
there's craft

3641
00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:04,220
that can do

3642
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:04,640
things that we

3643
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,020
can't do

3644
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:05,560
it's a much

3645
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,400
more complicated

3646
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,240
you know

3647
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:07,700
shift in

3648
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:08,020
people's

3649
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:08,420
understanding

3650
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:08,900
of reality

3651
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:09,660
I mean

3652
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:10,020
there are

3653
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:10,640
very legitimate

3654
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,160
economic

3655
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:11,760
concerns

3656
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,080
too

3657
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:12,420
aren't there

3658
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:12,620
I mean

3659
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:13,060
a large

3660
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:13,360
number

3661
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:13,700
of the

3662
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:14,360
top 100

3663
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:14,760
on the

3664
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,760
US stock

3665
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,180
exchange

3666
00:54:16,180 --> 00:54:16,760
would be

3667
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:17,120
dependent

3668
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,180
on the

3669
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:18,460
success

3670
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:18,920
of fossil

3671
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,360
fuels

3672
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:19,820
as the

3673
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:20,200
primary

3674
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,120
energy

3675
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:21,600
imperative

3676
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,060
for the

3677
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:22,440
world

3678
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,400
imagine

3679
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:23,800
if

3680
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,480
energy

3681
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:24,920
was

3682
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,400
discovered

3683
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:25,880
to be

3684
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,260
freely

3685
00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:26,940
obtainable

3686
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:27,240
from

3687
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:27,820
ZPE

3688
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:29,020
zero point

3689
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:29,360
energy

3690
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:29,760
quantum

3691
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,200
vacuum

3692
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:30,620
energy

3693
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:31,380
imagine

3694
00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:31,700
if that

3695
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:32,200
allegation

3696
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:32,740
is true

3697
00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:33,100
wouldn't

3698
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:33,620
it mean

3699
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:34,020
that the

3700
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:34,480
entire

3701
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:34,820
stock

3702
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:35,320
exchange

3703
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:35,660
of the

3704
00:54:35,660 --> 00:54:35,920
United

3705
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,340
States

3706
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:36,600
would

3707
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,420
probably

3708
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:37,840
drop

3709
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,320
dramatically

3710
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:38,560
in

3711
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:38,860
value

3712
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:39,320
overnight

3713
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,100
well

3714
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:41,440
yes

3715
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:41,720
there's

3716
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:41,960
lots

3717
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,320
of

3718
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,960
risks

3719
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,740
there's

3720
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:45,160
financial

3721
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:45,520
stability

3722
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:45,920
risks

3723
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:46,380
there's

3724
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:46,680
stranded

3725
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,000
asset

3726
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,300
risks

3727
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:47,500
that you

3728
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:47,660
just

3729
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:47,880
talked

3730
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,140
about

3731
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:49,600
there

3732
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,080
is

3733
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,800
a

3734
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,340
much

3735
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:51,480
more

3736
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,600
I'd

3737
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:52,740
say

3738
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:53,580
strategic

3739
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:53,820
risk

3740
00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:54,100
associated

3741
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:54,240
with

3742
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:54,480
people's

3743
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:54,820
inability

3744
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:55,000
to

3745
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,380
discount

3746
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:55,560
the

3747
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:55,860
future

3748
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:56,240
because

3749
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:56,360
even

3750
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:56,440
if you

3751
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:56,540
had

3752
00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:56,740
free

3753
00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:57,040
energy

3754
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,360
right

3755
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,440
it

3756
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:58,600
takes

3757
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:58,820
a while

3758
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:58,940
to

3759
00:54:58,940 --> 00:54:59,120
maybe

3760
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:59,880
transition

3761
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,080
that

3762
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,200
into

3763
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:00,620
society

3764
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:00,980
right

3765
00:55:00,980 --> 00:55:01,200
you

3766
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,380
could

3767
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:01,880
depending

3768
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:02,160
on the

3769
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,340
nature

3770
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:02,460
of

3771
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:02,500
the

3772
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:02,800
engineering

3773
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,020
that's

3774
00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:03,440
required

3775
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:03,780
etc

3776
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:04,460
before

3777
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:04,580
you

3778
00:55:04,580 --> 00:55:04,700
get

3779
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:04,840
the

3780
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,080
energy

3781
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:05,420
return

3782
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:05,700
on

3783
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:05,940
energy

3784
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:06,260
investment

3785
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:06,640
payoff

3786
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:06,860
from

3787
00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:07,080
that

3788
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:07,520
it

3789
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:07,640
could

3790
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:07,740
be

3791
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:07,840
a

3792
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,080
dramatic

3793
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:08,640
civilizational

3794
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:08,960
change

3795
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,160
but it

3796
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:09,360
might not

3797
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:09,560
be an

3798
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:09,780
overnight

3799
00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:10,260
shift

3800
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:10,960
and that

3801
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,480
inherent

3802
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,000
uncertainty

3803
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:12,820
right

3804
00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:13,240
is what

3805
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:13,600
breaks

3806
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:13,940
the

3807
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:14,380
financial

3808
00:55:14,380 --> 00:55:14,720
models

3809
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:15,340
governing

3810
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:15,640
all

3811
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:15,900
asset

3812
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:16,220
pricing

3813
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:16,480
right

3814
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:16,640
like

3815
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:16,780
the

3816
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:17,300
30-year

3817
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:17,840
treasury

3818
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:18,140
note

3819
00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:18,480
right

3820
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:18,760
is

3821
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:18,900
sort

3822
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:19,040
of

3823
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,360
pricing

3824
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:19,700
in

3825
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:20,100
a

3826
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:20,320
smoothly

3827
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,380
discounted

3828
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:24,320
time

3829
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:24,600
value

3830
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:24,900
of money

3831
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:25,880
and if

3832
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:26,080
that

3833
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:26,240
is

3834
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:26,500
now

3835
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:26,780
subject

3836
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:26,940
to

3837
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:27,100
a

3838
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:27,420
radical

3839
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:28,140
uncertainty

3840
00:55:28,140 --> 00:55:28,920
now

3841
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,300
people

3842
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:29,520
really

3843
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:29,800
can't

3844
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,020
price

3845
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:30,280
out

3846
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:30,740
anything

3847
00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:31,160
into

3848
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:31,320
the

3849
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:31,560
future

3850
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:31,800
people

3851
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,160
stop

3852
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:32,620
they

3853
00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:32,740
don't

3854
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:32,820
know

3855
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:32,920
how

3856
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:33,040
to

3857
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:33,360
save

3858
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,900
most

3859
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:34,420
asset

3860
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:34,760
prices

3861
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,060
in

3862
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:35,160
the

3863
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:35,340
world

3864
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:35,600
now

3865
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:35,960
can't

3866
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,300
fundamentally

3867
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:36,500
be

3868
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:36,780
priced

3869
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:37,240
and that's

3870
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:37,680
not just

3871
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,060
the top

3872
00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:38,280
100

3873
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:38,560
literally

3874
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:38,860
every

3875
00:55:38,860 --> 00:55:39,220
asset

3876
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:39,520
right

3877
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,240
real estate

3878
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:40,860
mortgages

3879
00:55:40,860 --> 00:55:41,440
like everything

3880
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,220
just basically

3881
00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:43,100
comes to a halt

3882
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:43,460
you couldn't

3883
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:44,100
essentially have a

3884
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:44,360
pricing

3885
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,200
mechanism

3886
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:45,600
in that

3887
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,380
in that

3888
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:47,000
type of

3889
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,220
scenario

3890
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:47,560
which is

3891
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:47,820
truly

3892
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:48,260
disruptive

3893
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:48,520
right

3894
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:48,800
which is

3895
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,080
why I

3896
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:49,300
think you

3897
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:49,500
need to

3898
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:49,780
have

3899
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:50,120
on the

3900
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:50,500
technology

3901
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:50,920
side

3902
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,360
I don't

3903
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:53,520
think

3904
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:53,660
there's

3905
00:55:53,660 --> 00:55:54,040
like a

3906
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:54,660
snap

3907
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:54,780
your

3908
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:55,040
finger

3909
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:55,300
a

3910
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:55,600
new

3911
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,020
technology

3912
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:56,140
that

3913
00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:56,320
fundamentally

3914
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:56,740
changes

3915
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:57,480
the

3916
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:57,720
paradigm

3917
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:58,020
that

3918
00:55:58,020 --> 00:55:58,300
is

3919
00:55:58,300 --> 00:55:58,420
a

3920
00:55:58,420 --> 00:55:58,620
risk

3921
00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:58,980
I'm

3922
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:59,740
paying

3923
00:55:59,740 --> 00:56:00,060
attention

3924
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:00,280
to

3925
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:00,480
but I

3926
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:00,540
think

3927
00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:00,680
there's

3928
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:00,980
other

3929
00:56:00,980 --> 00:56:01,480
financial

3930
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,320
stability

3931
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:02,800
risks

3932
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,840
associated

3933
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,520
with the

3934
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:04,940
event

3935
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:05,260
of

3936
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:05,680
disclosure

3937
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:05,980
or that

3938
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:06,380
transition

3939
00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:06,820
period

3940
00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:07,400
where

3941
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,120
the

3942
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,000
preference

3943
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:09,560
falsification

3944
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:09,920
and the

3945
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,240
cascade

3946
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,000
triggers

3947
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,200
and that

3948
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:12,640
uncertainty

3949
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:12,880
is

3950
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,300
maximal

3951
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:13,940
and then

3952
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:14,100
you need

3953
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:14,480
to reduce

3954
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:14,720
that

3955
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:15,140
uncertainty

3956
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:16,000
as quickly

3957
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:16,460
as possible

3958
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:16,720
so that

3959
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:16,980
people can

3960
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:17,440
then price

3961
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:17,840
the future

3962
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,340
in something

3963
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:19,340
like a

3964
00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:19,680
consistent

3965
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:19,960
way

3966
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,500
and that's

3967
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:20,760
how you get

3968
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,060
financial

3969
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:21,380
markets

3970
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:21,620
is to

3971
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:21,780
price

3972
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:21,900
the

3973
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:22,140
future

3974
00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:22,940
so

3975
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:23,280
Matthew

3976
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,540
final

3977
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:25,060
question

3978
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:25,860
I want

3979
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:26,020
you to

3980
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:26,300
put on

3981
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:26,440
your

3982
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:26,760
crystal

3983
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,180
wall

3984
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:28,840
what's

3985
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,240
going to

3986
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:29,520
happen

3987
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:30,500
are we

3988
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:30,840
going to

3989
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:31,080
see

3990
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:31,660
big D

3991
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:32,160
disclosure

3992
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:32,740
or is

3993
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:33,260
this all

3994
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:33,720
going to

3995
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:34,100
be swept

3996
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:34,500
under the

3997
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:34,760
carpet

3998
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,220
for another

3999
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:35,540
30

4000
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:35,980
years

4001
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:38,340
I'm

4002
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:38,740
never

4003
00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:39,260
100%

4004
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:39,840
I think

4005
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,800
we are

4006
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,880
on an

4007
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,420
irreversible

4008
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:42,820
path

4009
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:43,420
towards

4010
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:44,220
the reality

4011
00:56:44,220 --> 00:56:44,900
of non-human

4012
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:45,320
intelligence

4013
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:45,820
being

4014
00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:47,260
a

4015
00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:48,580
subject

4016
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:49,100
of mass

4017
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:49,580
awareness

4018
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:50,580
I don't

4019
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:50,680
know

4020
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:51,020
exactly

4021
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:51,240
how

4022
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:51,600
soon

4023
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:52,560
but I

4024
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:52,700
think

4025
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:53,080
that's

4026
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:53,360
an

4027
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:53,840
irreversible

4028
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,340
process

4029
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:55,080
at this

4030
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:55,340
point

4031
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:56,860
and yeah

4032
00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:57,120
it's just

4033
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,360
a matter

4034
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:57,980
of the

4035
00:56:57,980 --> 00:56:58,320
path

4036
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,060
to that

4037
00:56:59,060 --> 00:56:59,740
point

4038
00:56:59,740 --> 00:57:02,060
yeah

4039
00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:03,420
well I

4040
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:03,600
think we

4041
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,320
put on

4042
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:04,780
our seat

4043
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:05,100
belts

4044
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:05,820
and it's

4045
00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:06,000
going to

4046
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:06,280
be a

4047
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:06,560
bumpy

4048
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,000
ride

4049
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,540
but Matthew

4050
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:07,840
Pines

4051
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,180
thank you

4052
00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:08,720
so much

4053
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:09,220
for giving

4054
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:09,680
us your

4055
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,280
analysis

4056
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:10,920
on reality

4057
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,200
chick

4058
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:11,620
look forward

4059
00:57:11,620 --> 00:57:11,900
to having

4060
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:12,140
you on

4061
00:57:12,140 --> 00:57:12,340
again

4062
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:12,700
sometime

4063
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:13,940
and good

4064
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:14,180
luck

4065
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:14,540
in your

4066
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:15,140
new role

4067
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:15,520
with the

4068
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:15,840
Bitcoin

4069
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,220
Institute

4070
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:17,000
maybe one

4071
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:17,640
day you

4072
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:18,220
can explain

4073
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:18,680
to us

4074
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:19,420
why we

4075
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:19,740
should all

4076
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:19,940
buy

4077
00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:20,660
cryptocurrency

4078
00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:21,400
I'm not

4079
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,120
yet convinced

4080
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,640
I think

4081
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:23,920
these are

4082
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,120
more related

4083
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:25,660
subjects than

4084
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:25,840
you would

4085
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:26,140
imagine

4086
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:27,940
thanks very

4087
00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:28,140
much

4088
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:28,420
Matthew

4089
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:29,400
thanks for

4090
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:29,720
having me

4091
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,880
we're also

4092
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,400
going to

4093
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,060
start doing

4094
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:33,180
questions and

4095
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:33,600
answers

4096
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,580
so if you'd

4097
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:35,300
like to send

4098
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:36,140
your questions

4099
00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:37,240
please to

4100
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,480
realitycheck

4101
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,800
at news

4102
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,380
nation

4103
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:41,740
now dot com

4104
00:57:41,740 --> 00:57:42,720
and you can

4105
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,680
also catch

4106
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,200
the show

4107
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,600
at midnight

4108
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,160
eastern

4109
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,020
on Saturday

4110
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:47,600
evenings

4111
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,660
see you

4112
00:57:48,660 --> 00:57:48,880
then