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We have an internal threat, but you also
mentioned transnational fraud rings,

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terrorist organizationals, nations, nation
states, North Korea, nuclear weapons

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programs funded by our tax dollars, China,
Nigeria, Iran, Romania, Russia,

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not our friends necessarily that are being
funded by taxpayer dollars.

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Could you give us some examples of how this
is happening?

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God, yeah.

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So when you think about what happened during
the pandemic,

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one trillion dollars was stolen.

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70% of that money went overseas.

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And I can give you some examples in a western
state.

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They had more people applying for
unemployment insurance benefits

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and they had individuals over 18.

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The people that were stealing the money from
Romania were using it to

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facilitate other fraud schemes that include
fentanyl,

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that include doing things to impact our
democracy on the insider threat.

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Right.

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The first thing you have to say, and my dad
was a public servant,

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is 99% of people that work in the public
sector are honest,

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hardworking individuals, but there are some.

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And what you need is data and technology to
root that out.

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There were examples during the pandemic.

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There were some examples even of last week
where people got into the Medicaid

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system in a southern, in a western state,

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and stole $50 million in less than four
months.

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So you have to have these controls in place,
right?

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These aren't individual stealing, Mr. Cloud.

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These are organized criminal groups, both
domestic and transnational.