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The UFO Hate Group

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Over the past few years within ufology, a group has developed that has come to be called the UFO Hate Group.

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This group works in unison to systematically harass, dox, and threaten UFO media, scientists, and private citizens,

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all in an effort to ruin lives and control the UFO narrative.

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This mechanism has come to be called Takedowns.

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This video is a compilation of over 40 different testimonies of those that have been affected.

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It covers the dynamics of the UFO Hate Group.

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This video also covers the dynamics of the takedown mechanism utilized by the UFO Hate Group.

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This is the ufology your silence allows.

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...harassment, targeted harassment.

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It's just a really weird thing, man.

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Like, I don't know where exactly this all kind of catalyzed from, but it's just over the last few years, you've got these very aggressive and targeted harassers on Twitter.

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And they've kind of formed into these little groups and they, you know, all...

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Since we've quit the show, the amount of conversations I've had with people has been...

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The people that have reached out to me that have given me...

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...similar or even worse...

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...like, literally about three years now confirmed...

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...and that, even by the way, that they've been given me...

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...similar or even worse...

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targeted harassers on twitter and they've kind of formed into these little groups and they you know

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since we've quit the show the amount of conversations i've had with people has

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been in in the people that have reached out to me that have given me similar or even worse

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like literally about three years now confirmed um and that even back then it was like the same

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mechanisms were in place the same language was in place the same like uh tactics were in place

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been targeted a lot and sometimes it just comes down to one of our show names and i don't think

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people understand that we may be you like dominate the narrative and destroy everybody else um who

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is maybe on the fringe for example experiencers uh full socket accounts but but but the narrative

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is this is they don't like critical thinkers they don't like people that ask questions

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they don't like people to question their narrative and that's exactly why they're going

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um you know they're attacking all these people because you are attacking their official narrative

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and and and there are holes there and most likely they're big holes in their narrative

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end of the day the government really wants to have a narrative control on this and how do you do that

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you infiltrate these small niche communities you find who's at the top of them and then you

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help shape how and what they're talking about and then once they no longer listen to you or serve

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your narrative then you attack them it's much like these ideas of like scientology right like

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once you leave it's like everyone attacked it's like a character assassination at that point well

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because now you don't agree with us we think you're a horrible people fight against and i'm sorry

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that like a lot of them get blacklisted for that in the ufo community it seems to you know eat its own

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and be an entity this community is a cesspool of cannibals you eat every single scientist journalist content creator

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that doesn't agree and toe the line targets would be harassed depending on their perceived level of threat to the cause

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some were to be taken down by any means necessary and the more significant of targets social status

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the more people in this group would work together to go after them

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many were simply intimidated through online harassment and abuse

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while others were outed or doxed or had significant personal information about them

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and to push disclosure forward but i didn't know it was a team disclosure or not type thing i didn't

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know it was on my side or against me type thing well i didn't realize it was like one side of it is

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like literally like doxing and harassing children and like posting like disgusting things about

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people's families trying to get them fired we saw what they did today to that random ass dude like

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try to get like literally trying to ruin your life you know what i mean if you don't agree with

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someone on ufo dms privately like you can tell there's like some kind of ulterior motive right

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they don't they're not interested in settling anything they just you know just want to like

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hurt you really it goes it goes it goes it goes so much deeper into the government that's what i mean

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like i don't understand why nobody will look into it and touch it here's the problem jamie is as soon

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as soon as you start looking into it then you start it's really easy to get lost in rabbit holes

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oh absolutely i think the best thing to do is to get a senator to admit to somebody like me who's had

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an experience that you need to get me more information because i'm trying to rationalize with a really

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crazy part of this community and just get them to slow down and think clearly and that there's also an

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element of counterintelligence messing with u.s citizens there's an element of that to this with

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the sock puppet accounts and all that stuff it just is while someone's gonna get hurt and i don't point

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this shit out to be dramatic they said it multiple times on a stage that said nasa on it

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it's disheartening to note that several of them have been subjected to online abuse due to their

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decision to participate on this panel and nasa security team is actively addressing this issue

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really do want to double down on dan's words that it is really disheartening to hear of the harassment

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that our panelists have faced online all because they're studying have also been subject to lots of

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harassment uh especially coming out of my last hearing um because people don't understand the

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scientific method and why it uh why we have to do the things we have to do right and um but i think

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what nasa was referring to in those statements were harassment and abuse coming from um ufo twitter

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in particular has been very loud and very angry because now you've gone from harassing a nobody actor

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who had a really shitty experience with one of these prophets and just told his side of the story

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and have now upgraded to threatening dod employees and nasa scientists yeah and i mean so you know the

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the milk fart you know those weirdos you know that's kind of the tip of the arc iceberg of this

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harassment yeah right it goes much deeper you know like that was a big takeaway this is how the nasa

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scientists everyone was complaining about how they're being harassed got it we're going to take

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them down and those same people to this very day are the same people who are carrying out everything

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that you guys are experiencing absolutely they haven't got away um yeah absolutely jess uh there is

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clearly a process and it seems like they will pick and choose right they'll coordinate with each other

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it'll pick a target because they might say the wrong thing or criticize the wrong people

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and you have for instance the ufo doxing club that we're all very well aware of who

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it is like why were all these people attacked and doxed like for what like for asking questions

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for like discussing a topic that's like relevant to our times it's fucking whack

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the way that you are the devil if you don't think the same thing about ufos as other people

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when you when you ask questions uh today just merely asking questions today in this climate

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you know you get labeled as you know an enemy you know especially in places like ufo twitter

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were to senator gillibrand because of her recent video uh and essentially now that hero that was

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senator gillibrand to some is now a villain like it is most prevalent on ufo twitter where you do find

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some very hard line uh quite radical personalities who don't want you to question the the government

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narrative or the people involved on in an official capacity in the push for discussion within congress

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and the senate realities who you're cooperating with because you're not smart enough to do this on

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your own i guess that's the assumption being made by really everyone do one on my own you're not a

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one-man band to be able to sort of create this much ripple effect this being completely orchestrated

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was that the plan all along these are all legitimate concerns seems to be kind of like a calculated group

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on twitter who's going around and doing a lot of awful things that suck i know i've been a victim of

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it personally like not even just like our channel but like me personally facebook groups uh 2019 2020

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that were formed private groups that were essentially coordinating attacks and i know that for a

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fact because somebody was able to talk their way into one of these groups and they would literally figure

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out who they were going to attack and how they were going to attack them and they would essentially

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do that i sat in on a space where they the people in the space who i'm not going to meet

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yeah and in the context of the space was we are going to systematically ostracize anyone that we

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deem as an evil person who's that who is these people okay that language was echoed tonight by kms

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that he called us evil that he when he saw evil he would have to take it out that really did it for

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me that like really upset me when he was saying that he was sent here to get rid of the evil people

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there's clearly clearly a group of guys that are being told what to do and who to harass and who to

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chill out on and then i saw this pile on of like six or seven people right it only grew with time

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those six or seven people that piled onto him grew the next couple of years and the core of the people

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who started on beep are the same people who are doing these vicious takedowns of anybody who says

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anything to question what's going on and it was all cultivated concocted in this facebook group of

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hatred trolls and that's what happened and i asked how many people are in this because then they caught

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my ear i'm like holy mackerel you're you're actually telling me the truth that they're coordinating attacks

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and uh the last i heard from that person there were like 300 people that were in these groups

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that were that were doing just that it happened back in what 2019 so that's also i want to say

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josh and organizes shout out to zach shout out to 503 his girlfriend everyone who experienced this like

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in the early waves when it was like like in the way we're kind of fortunate where it's like there's been

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such a track record by this point it's like okay there's clearly something going on but to those early

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people like yeah my heart goes out to you that they did to you tupa rather me um beverly and chris like

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they're doing the exact same thing to uh personnel in arrow to dr shocker patrick to people who you

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know journalists who write stories on this is exactly what they do to so many people they've done the

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same to lou angelis to jeremy mcgowan they've done the same to john greenwald they've done the same thing to

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steven green street they do the same thing anyone that stands against them she's being harassed

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by king milk fart who is known on in ufo twitter world as the biggest harasser really on twitter

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this uh king milk fart attacked us when we first started almost four years ago then it got kicked

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off of twitter and brought back it's just this is what's going on in ufology behind the scenes with

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some people who think they're smarter than the rest of us i mean there are people who are are just

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everyday twitter users who have been targeted by these people and doxed and harassed and assaulted

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yeah not even people who have a show and and meanwhile exactly like people who who aren't

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public figures who are private people you know and they've been attacked by these people and

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it's not just the podcasters there's the ones that you hear about but what you don't hear about is the

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viewers being targeted and harassed and hacked and doxed and that's even worse because we are private

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citizens we are not public figures people they used to threaten people and the woman anyone that would

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listen allow them not to talk to me and i'll show evidence of this they doxed deep they doxed numerous

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people christopher gray himself threatened numerous people he would send people photos of their homes

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they work it was just a crazy time but it wasn't just christopher gray jonathan davies and many others

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in their group used to do this to so many people how many people just stuck up for me like oh actually

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i know tupa he wouldn't you know i don't think he's a bad person because he said that three years ago

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i think that's out of context all of a sudden those people are getting bounced in the worst ways

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like literally in strict i'm a random target because i dare to listen to somebody to talk to

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somebody i don't like it man and it's ripped every day so then i stood in support for red panda and

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tupac next thing i know i'm being attacked and this whole group of them it's just me there was like at

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least 10 15 people that i know personally who have undergone the same type of treatment well all

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of a sudden they're getting doxed and harassed how they how it's how are people supposed how are

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everyday people supposed to be prepared for that kind of thing that's some scary

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shit this is not fun anymore

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this is my warning to you guys something's not right doing this are claiming to be patriots

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and they're claiming to be you know oh they're doing this for this and that right away i can tell

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you something is wrong the way that they're going about this is not amazing it's it's religious it's

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scary it's cult-like and it's it's violent and it needs to be addressed and people need to create

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some type of support group for this because there have been a lot of people who've been doing this

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and enduring this on their own but people need to wake up because many of you are responsible for this

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you claim you're not here for the drama but you love the drama you're like the audience at a roman

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coliseum watching gladiators kill each other and you're just cheering for the blood

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and then going toward vulnerable people and and considering and and taking the vulnerable people

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to her cause are you know mentally unstable and they really need to attach themselves to something to

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feel valuable and you see the people who are backing them saying hey you're doing right you're doing

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good you are promoting something you're going to be something by pushing this and those people who are

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mentally unstable are the ones who are going after everybody in the community so it's a little bit of

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both it's not like it's it's direct it's almost indirect harassment i see a pattern when it comes to certain

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players in the ufo community they surround themselves in one way shape or another with damaged people

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whether that is people that like myself at the time uh was suffering through severe depression that are

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not in a good mental state who are being manipulated and lied to and and it really destroys their lives and

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people that are leading a narrative and they're bullying other people and it's a really it's a really ugly

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place bullying other people in the community people like king milk fart i can't fucking stand that

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motherfucker uh he's already blocked me because i've gone in on his ass multiple times but people like

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that these toxic people that intimidate people because normal people they don't want conflict they just

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want to get along with everybody and then fire but there's a bunch of people in this community that

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have been deliberately riled up in one direction or another and that doesn't just mean people that

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have been harassed and doxxed and put on your side it also means people that have been harassed and doxxed or

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you're just like nudged psychologically to be against you guys and the goal isn't just to destroy

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people the goal is to destroy connections between people it is happening we are all being

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manipulated to fight with each other and argue over personality rather than get disclosure disgust and make the

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governments accountable for what they're doing also shows that you are absolutely correct on your recent

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show they have been using us all to turn against each other and it has worked i say in the beginning

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too like the fact that they awarded that to you on toddy robba is not uh by chance that was totally

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orchestrated in my opinion so to the community's copier our one man mean machine the good but not great

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artist tupacabra congratulations we can't wait to see what inspires you next

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tupacabra was speaking out against the harassment jimenez was speaking out against the harassment

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tariola was speaking out against the harassment and they were able to get those three separate groups

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all spending half a year like at war with each other when they should have like been like united and

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when leah came up to me with that info but like i think they were trying to get me to do it and i

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was like no i'm not i'm not the doctor i'm not putting that out there i i don't research people

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like that i don't look for people's in people since her aspect of this is that we're all putting the

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pieces together and none of it makes sense that is by design that that is the only thing i'm sure of

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yes and i also want to point out that's why it's important to talk about this because look

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listen guys and if you just came in when you like the tupus stuff you think the tupus drama or whatever

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like we're hearing testimony of people that this behavior goes back years there is a cult of lou and

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sadly i was a part of it for a while doing things and saying things i shouldn't have done when i stepped

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back from it and started applying logic instead of blindly following i noticed a lot of new things

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i also know what is going on behind the scenes there is more to this than meets the eye casually

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placed people in certain social media areas controlling various things and to make sure the

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die-hard followers react to create disorder and chaos and it is not just the activists and the

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believers and the experiences that are part of this there are many people pretending to be skeptics

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who are pushing the same narratives and the same cults multiple cults it is dangerous and you need

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to be aware of it can you talk to me about why you sent those dms to people and told folks i was a

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fake person absolutely i think we're being played not exactly sure what dms but probably what i'm

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discussing played by who oh yes but everyone so many people involved being played all the ones fighting

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currently all coming at me coming at you coming at me for being your friend for being kmf but it

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doesn't excuse it i heard klaus girl big on the play she was doing it on purpose i was told you didn't

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hear that from me i don't know who's playing them truth is she got in my head at the worst possible

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time in my life not proud but fuck her she says she's a therapist she knows everything about me

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acted like she was i gave all my dirt like a dumbass how long were you talking to her when did she

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show up not long right when it all happened she was trying to honeypot me dude which was weird that

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threw me off wtf you're married yeah dude someone kicked on people and she went all in she isn't a

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therapist she was dating one guy who took the breakup badly next thing he is drunk in a space accusing

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her of all kinds of he later recanted and the leah haters ran with it like i said all this speculation

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and when there's only a handful of folk who are actually there one guy then you then several others

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in my inbox all manipulated to white knight for her um the the men that i know that fell for this

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uh were ready to to get married i mean i'm talking about like a deep deep con and all of a sudden it

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was off off by this person that they were that they were given a a a threat that if they talked about

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anything that was talked about while they were together uh they'd be sued straight up sued and uh this

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that's that's what i heard right so i don't know i wasn't there i don't have the documents but i do

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know that there's multiple stories about very similar interactions with these people with this

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specific person um and so you know it goes deeper than just oh they attack your self-esteem

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i mean they could make you fall in love with them to the point where you're going to change your life

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and then they just disappear and they and they get married to someone else as if someone you never met you

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you didn't know i mean like there's some it was at this point i lost faith in lou and realized i had

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been a pawn in his game being promised things i was having trouble with another community destroying my

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life and pushing me to the brink of suicide many times i was told they would sort my issues if i

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helped them i'm an idiot so i believed it hoping that i would get closure on what had happened to me

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before turns out that was a total lie thomas was also promised things from lou too that never panned out

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after being asked to go out and quote defend him and his family

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not shut the up and let him answer sorry who is that why do you respect me so much like that

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because he's the boss the boss yeah he tells us what to do all of a sudden this celebrity type is

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attacking him and telling his viewers to go talk some and do all this other weird stuff and you're

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like but remember back to roger kipling right uh the strength of the of the wolf is a pack i can only

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do what i'm doing because you guys are doing what you're doing and your audience is doing what

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they're doing so thank you for all and this is a team effort you know uh i look to my shoulder

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right and left and i see i see all of you so so thank you for being along you know for on this journey

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we just wanted you to know the pack has your back too oh yeah 10-4 appreciate it rob more than you

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know it really it uh it helps it really does i mounted the attack called in my chief rob my my cohort in

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this and we took it on and there was it wasn't just us it was a bunch of people the people who

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are in on the secret and then you know shares that special knowledge with them and really gets

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them to go out and i probably don't need to go with a battle cry but the reality of it is

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that's what we have we do have a battle cry we do have a call for action a call to arms the start of

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the edge i put out some tweets this is a call to arms this is the the call to action for all of us to

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come together and support this great man and what he's doing well it's just behind our keyboard

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anonymity in their mom's house right that doesn't last forever with uh with that and they motivate

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some people and lou is not going to take any action but i dare say that there are people that will

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find the motivation on their own cognizance yeah i'm i don't want to say much more because i don't

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want to incriminate myself i don't want to say much more because i don't want to incriminate myself

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to work closely with lou when lou elizondo got attacked by area 503 i was the only person who

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stood up stood up against manny from area 503 i even reached out to lou jimenez he refused i did

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copyright strikes and then i worked with james fox and others to get additional copyright strikes until

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thomas fessler obtained my name in a legal document my name had never been on the internet and now it's

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being spread everywhere for your karma lou interesting that in seven or eight years

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nobody ever docs me nobody ever found me and just a few weeks after i have to give uh legal papers to

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youtube to a false copyright claim who's buddies with some of these assholes suddenly everybody's got

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all my personal information my home address and everything and the second you question something

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you are booted out there is a few people working on behalf of lou a on ufo twitter at the moment

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whose quote job it is to make sure we keep fighting it worked on me for a while i'm glad to be out of it

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it's too nasty and viscous and calculated another angle they use is recruiting veterans because it's so

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frowned upon to call out veterans so people don't question anything it's all a club i was more referring to

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gary stating that lou was recruiting veterans because people won't question them who is he

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recruited and what is this about no one the vets are just friends doesn't mean he's recruited the

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vets aren't in the know that would compromise lose security clearance let's just say based on what i know

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i disagree you're rogue now you're so yeah i just tweeted that out but i was pissed at corvell but then

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some people that know corvell well told me this is how it has to be like some people some people

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uh that know uh corvell and know what's going on with this disclosure process talked to me about it

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and told me to chill the out and understand why corvell was doing the way what he is doing

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so i'm not going to give him a hard time about it anymore yeah you still once had several thoughts

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several uh pull aside talking to's and uh he's gonna he's he knows what's up he's been learned

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we're i think everything's gonna be just fine so juan you're in here man i got a lot of respect

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for all the stuff you've done you know calling and whatnot especially when you're injured um but

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when i post things like for jeremy right i'll do some fan stuff so juan jumps in there and he writes

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dog shit they're great they're garbage they're fucking nothing and to me like okay man you're allowed

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to have your own opinion but these people they have feelings you know if you think jeremy just walks

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around uh not giving a shit about what everyone says i think you're probably wrong and when it's

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fucked up to come at people that way um but i just wanted to point that out that these are good people

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and they have feelings too and they're doing the best fucking job they can so yeah i've had the uap

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talk with certain people that have uh you know said the same thing as you i'll just leave it at that

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tell hey ocean lou isn't your fucking therapist he doesn't own you shit you self-entitled

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bitch i'm unblocking you for this one bravo i've been read in so now it's just a time to patiently

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wait i've been read in so now it's just a time to patiently real clear to be clear yesterday in his

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space king milk fart said that salon got a talking to bell and attacking that ufo podcast so there is

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someone higher up who you guys both respect who is telling you who it's okay to attack and who you

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need to pull back the lever on when it comes to attacking so thank you for that milk fart that was

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very useful information except you got it wrong because i didn't say that too so honest that that's

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uplifting so yeah so yeah so it sounds like it was exactly right but and that's why i don't really

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shit on jeremy so much every time uh and also because fredicini our uplifting tweet just told me

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like to calm down on that uh because he's friends with jerry to be real king milk fart welcome welcome

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gentlemen how you doing today king milk fart above and beyond all you have kind of been acting as the

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morality police on uap twitter and for the ufo community it's like lou elizondo said we needed

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to go ahead and tear this thing down for what uh the ufo community kind of deals with today and uh you're

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trying to go ahead and tear down some of those negative elements and things that are out there where

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okay so ron pandolfi is a guy who i was told to ask diana pasalka about i was told to ask diana

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pasalka about and i did and she blocked me and that's all that i know

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okay that yes i said i will unleash king milk fart okay my husband was friends with him on reddit before

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here guilty people like i'm gonna use my assets and yet king milk fart may have been one he might

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have might be an asset i have access to i think chase klotsky reached out to my wife and was like hey

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you know lou saw your post he was really upset you know he's not a homophobic person and he would

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really like to talk to you about it and so he called my wife and she she had a great conversation

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with him about how you know that's not who he was and that kind of hate wasn't representative of him

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oh and that was when jeremy mcgowan was kind of like still uh when they were working on the show

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and stuff right before the article i think what article the articles that mcgowan wrote it was like

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before that stage uh i think so yeah i don't think he's written anything at that point and uh

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uap mike's wife just absolutely unloaded on that and then uap mike jumped on it and posted a bunch of

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stuff about it and this was when i was involved with lou and sean and making that uh teaser that

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we were supposed to be pitching to hbo max and apparently that negative uh statements from uap mike

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and his wife got under the skin of of lou and sean and lou actually called uap mike's wife had a

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conversation with her got her to take the post down and basically smoothed everything over with her and

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uap mike but as red panda is saying after i fell out of good graces with lou and sean and the rest of

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the folks there any of the harassment that went directly at me was not addressed so it was addressed

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when it affected lou but it wasn't addressed because it affected me then there were those individuals

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trained or with specific experience in finding and attaining information not just about this topic

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but more significantly about individuals on social media platforms or anywhere they needed which they

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would target for the purpose of blackmailing threatening and intimidating some demonstrated

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skills one would expect from people with a background in some form of cyber intelligence and

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electronic warfare these individuals would then train others on how to undertake such research on

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individuals we've had some investigators work with us and give us some tools to help and they're you know

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publicly available perfectly legal tools to run account analysis on people someone will criticize

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them they'll try to find dig up dirt to try to discredit the person who is telling true and you know

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digging through people's history like i think uh you come on you want to talk about ufos you don't

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expect someone to be secretly digging through your history trying to figure out who you're related to

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and like where your last job was this is all not normal behavior like this because it's not one person right he is

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many years and they have nothing better to do but deep dive they have a group who do nothing but research

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people's backgrounds to try and fuck them that that in itself is diabolical he's a psyrop kid and

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he needs to be shut down oh we'll get to that eventually swan well i got my people looking into

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him so we're gonna figure out very soon well that's good dude they got balls on all of the ufo people

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y'all know that there's a fucking do you know there is a discord server oh i shouldn't be talking

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about this let us all know so yeah so there's a discord server this i didn't acknowledge discord server

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it's like real fight club they got discord server they got a very good research so they got they can

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files on probably everything all the community i've seen on people i can't talk about but there

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is a server out there and i'm probably gonna be in trouble but it's real there jess he was documenting

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everything that everybody was saying and kept track that he had a file that's what it seemed like on

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pretty much everyone uh who was there in the early days i have no doubt that he had a file on you on

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two pot on rpk and so and so i know he had a file on me because he stalked me they have your

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information guys i've heard it from multiple people they collect your information everything from where

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you work where you live what you do who your kids are who your parents are and they wave that over your

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head with with minor threats at first to hint at you as little threats what's going on and then all

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of a sudden they they drop the hammer down if you've said anything critical like you had a file

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made up against you and these people know about it reading and the level of like research so it was

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basically like extremely intelligent right uh slander defamation campaign there's things i've been

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shown about my friends that's not even out in the community and i don't even talk about it

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but i know the depths of depravity that certain people in this community will go to character

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assassinate my friends i've been shown it there's something beyond whoever has this discord is money

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they got they got the shit on every you'll notice we separated as far from rob as possible he was

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looking people up calling local authorities and asking lee to gather information on you all you have

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twitter files that they've put on there literally has absolutely full of of malware and trojan uh trojan

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tracker it's here it's monitored odd things happen odd things are said odd things happen with your phone

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after you've been on twitter spaces um you know we had learned that one of the methods used was to

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befriend victims offer to share inside information with them and then send them various bits of

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information or personal interests via email or messenger links that contained malware that allowed the

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sender to infiltrate the victim's device and gather all the personal information they required

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victims had no idea they were infiltrated until the personal information was used against

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that i thought where my friends had my back turned out they were working with him this whole

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fucking time uh to take me down like they were trying to get um all these data points and so on so

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forth there's people acting like they're your friends on here specifically to get data on you to use

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against you this recent you know what happened makes me wonder if we ever really were friends right and

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uh right you know in retrospect i don't think that we were i think that you know dan was you know probably

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feeding information back to lou elizondo and you know ray would message me like every day and she

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was in spaces with us and uh you know so like at first it's just me being polite right like uh you

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know anybody can message me i'll talk to anybody um and then you know once it becomes like a frequent

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thing um you know you you get comfortable with people and uh like i said like i actually considered

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ray my friend at one point you know that's why this is all so uh wild to me given screenshots from private

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group chats that leah prime was in by leah prime herself in order to target people to have them

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canceled it's like weird because like she always said that she like wasn't like friends with you

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and didn't like associate herself with you but then was like obviously having like a dm conversation with

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you because she showed that screenshot he denied any public relationship like what six months it was

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and it wasn't until um lee reviews covered it on the show that like no they actually do know each other

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but what i do know is that members of invisible night school actively talk to king milfart

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they're buddies behind the scenes they chat and i know that because they've told me

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and i didn't really it didn't really hit me then like i didn't understand that they were sitting there

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comparing notes and one person's over here collecting information and then this other circus clown is over

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here you know saying oh okay well wait a minute i mean this uh i didn't feel anything other than

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appreciated

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and again in retrospect now looking back that appreciation feels artificial he was involved

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with like the inner circle if that makes sense and you know you do get the love bombing from all of

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his supporters you know saying that you're doing a great job and you're going to be the new face of

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disclosure etc etc yeah so you gotta be really careful and uh you know find people that you

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like and resonate with and you know make sure they're not like cultists or trying to love bomb

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you or trying to get them get you in with their their in crowd don't ever don't ever you know accept

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people telling wanting you to keep secrets from them like that's a bigger big rat flag right there

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um but yeah first of all that moon uh i'm trying to find it because uh yeah we were really close uh

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ray was like uh you know i thought she was a good friend because she would you know dm me and stuff

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so much uh now i realize it was just uh you know her doing her homework and uh zim got the exact same

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messages you're my biggest loss all that uh they might as well just have been copied and pasted to everybody

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but these people were directly involved with others they collaborated with in the research and

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data gathering on various individuals on the platform with the sole intent of using this data

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to manipulate blackmail and threaten for a variety of purposes kmf showed showed shane his own tweets or

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some incriminating information and agreed that shane came to an agreement not to show it on on terms

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and i think we all know what those terms are so kmf is blackmailing james or vice versa um that's what

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shane that's what shane said i and and said if i don't do it that i would that they would be writing

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something in opposition of what i've done like they were like give me you give me an apology or

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we're going to publicly lambast you kmf posted a video saying blackmailing um jay and saying if

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you don't apologize to me i'm going to release a video of you um being a violent psychopath what

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i understood is that they tried to blackmail luis and luis after that he said you know screw all this

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i don't want to be involved and blackmailed him with either information or something like that i

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i don't know this specific

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um and uh you know they mentioned that um i'm about to get taken down and i didn't understand what that

387
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,280
meant they were like they're working on some sort of takedown of you um i'm not gonna tell you

388
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,880
anything just know that um you know we're not friends anymore and i was like okay this is a bit

389
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:31,920
weird i heard oh deep sea opposition he doesn't know what he's talking about he's uh coming in he's

390
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,680
making lies we're gonna take him down we're going to like he's right about this he's lying about that

391
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,600
we got him right and someone just randomly was like hey you should see this like someone that you

392
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:51,120
think is your friend is like saying this and the stuff a world of pain is coming for a ufo personality

393
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:59,440
within the next couple weeks get your popcorn and i was talking about tuba cabra and and i hear people

394
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:05,280
straight up say that like we're like almost right before we're getting word that he isn't the guy

395
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,880
remember this like term we started hearing it was trying together with several other people on twitter

396
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:21,040
to write this blog to take me down how do i know this because i was told that bradley and

397
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:28,000
several other people were writing this blog weeks before he even released the blog somebody told me

398
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,560
you are going to have your halloween decorations used against you and i'm not joking and they will

399
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:41,920
accuse you of racism and i kid you not it actually happened they took back to him yeah he he stepped

400
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,880
him down like look man this is all about to happen shit's about to get really real you want to be on

401
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,000
the right side or you want to be on the wrong side the course cares they were doxing and threatening

402
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:59,280
people if they used to threaten people and warn them anyone that would listen warn them not to talk to me

403
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:06,160
i was getting uh contacted by some of these podcast hosts uh on on my personal line which i thought

404
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:12,240
was strange uh about like and they the conversations were never like like a value had substance they

405
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,600
were always about lujamines like people would just call me and be like you know lujamines you know

406
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,800
what i'm saying if you cross my friend like i'm sorry i gotta cut you off don't you agree tupa don't you

407
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,800
agree like um and you know at first i thought it was people just being nice because uh you know you

408
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,840
can't talk about this stuff with with everybody right and then uh then i started getting messages

409
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:39,360
like uh well if you want access to people like uh chris wolford or gary nolan or you know whoever

410
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:50,480
else and and that's from ray right um and i got messages from corporal where ray had started sending

411
00:43:50,480 --> 00:44:00,960
him trying to recruit him to like not speak to me or us wasn't it wasn't you but it was others that

412
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:08,720
steered me from you do you understand what i'm saying this is someone who was threatened not to talk

413
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:16,160
with us just that's the only thing i could chime in with is i got the same worded message you know

414
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:26,320
a little bit different but same words same like you have to think you have to do what we think or else

415
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,520
now they had to lash out at like innocent people who were just trying to like learn about ufos and

416
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,600
have fun and now i've got people hitting me up saying that they've been crying for a week

417
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,400
people saying they were threatened people saying that their accounts are deleted i genuinely wanted

418
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,880
to help jimenez and show him there are people out there who have his back so i reached out and ended

419
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,280
up casting him in a film i was making we had a great shoot and bonded over tales from the ufo scene

420
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,320
the next day i posted a picture of jimenez from the donut shop we used as a location

421
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,960
and immediately the photo was swarmed by pro alizondo fanatics including king milk fart who unblocked me

422
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,720
specifically to hate they managed to find pictures from the shoot posted by the owner of the shop's

423
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:17,360
high school age son a first generation cambodian immigrant milk fart unable to contain his rage at

424
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,120
jimenez getting a cool opportunity threatened me openly by saying he would get my contact information

425
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,800
from the donut shop i can confirm that a call was placed at the shop in an effort to do just that he took

426
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,880
part they take part in creation creating these very homophobic uh memes that are only designed to like

427
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,560
insult somebody but if it doesn't work if you're not homophobic like it just looks stupid and kind of

428
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:50,080
corny went around to podcast hosts to other prolific twitter people and spread blatant lies about me

429
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:59,600
lumping people all together being a wife beater felons and then lump five people or four people into it at

430
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:08,480
once is again bad language we've already shown lou elizondo with language that should not be used in

431
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:15,280
this field calling people terrorists these people just make shit up and then start passing it on and the

432
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:27,200
problem is is that the blog gave these people the green light to make up your purpose uh it's just

433
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:33,040
wrong and it kind of go it goes against his like five mission statement or whatever on his twitter

434
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,760
and then when he called us out before we had even done the live show like before we had actually said

435
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,560
anything we were just saying that we were going to talk about it he had already put it out he basically

436
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,320
tried to jump ahead of the story and claim like and claim the story for himself before

437
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,000
before the information came out if that makes sense like it's yeah it's clear as day clear that i was

438
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,400
he said that i was playing like a victim and that i said that i was basically assaulted when

439
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,040
completely out of context i never said any of those words would have been put out in public and then that

440
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,280
name would have been attached to something nefarious like it's happening to some of my friends

441
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
and i wouldn't be able to do anything about it because it's like

442
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,560
they it's a constant barrage of this person did this here's his name here's some random article

443
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,920
with his name in it and therefore he's guilty there's no arrest record there's no oh yeah paranormal

444
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:27,040
chris come on the scene and then they fabricated that he had like raped his elderly neighbor

445
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,960
okay so but you did so you just photoshopped a picture of her with like an only fans logo on it

446
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,760
i took a public photo of her that she has a public link to on her twitter and i slapped an only fans

447
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:47,040
logo on it that is fine i do not know her username i do not know her link i don't even believe she has

448
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,320
an only thing so why would you do that in the first place right because she's trying to be friends here

449
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,320
with people she's trying to have conversations with people she's trying to be taken seriously and like

450
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:01,200
that was so like why would you publish oh it was fucked up it was a hundred percent

451
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,720
fucked up apologize i'm being repressed on this you you began to call her a pill-popping terrible mom

452
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,280
uh and you kept it going you you blame the victim you blame your victim it shows what he's really

453
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,520
trying to do and he's trying to assassinate the character of people that he just doesn't like

454
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:22,480
and it it proved my tit out of nowhere essentially like claiming that i made up my experience he was

455
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:28,800
hey uh you know tup is not who he says he is he made up an experience he stole uh his his whole

456
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,920
identity from some other person on the internet like that's a human being he's not an experiencer

457
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,360
by any means he lies you know like we people really just went out there and said a bunch of

458
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,760
bullshit lies and then we defended ourselves and then people came back at us ten times harder

459
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,480
there was a website made for him which is something that we'll see a recurring theme which is also a

460
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,320
scientology tactic just want to note that where they just kind of like look up any kind of dirt

461
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,240
they can find on you and they'll just make it easy to uh find and view put it into a website that they

462
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:08,320
created using my name take a lot of memes and other bullshit claims that you're making anyone about these

463
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:17,200
pictures because i'm putting together a website and i said this in a in a stream i'm putting together a

464
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:25,120
website and i'm going to chronologically put these things in order numerous people he would send

465
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:32,880
people photos of their homes they'd work they decided to unleash a scorched earth policy upon

466
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:40,000
everybody in the organization they tried to find out where i worked they threatened that online they

467
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,040
were like uh because i used to work at a patent law firm in la and then they were like oh does anyone

468
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,520
know any good patent law firms in la like questioning it um it's kind of like saying like

469
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:55,840
and if i still work there they probably got me fired what else did they do oh they reported me to

470
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,840
patreon they tried to get my patreon removed some more like attacking finances attacking job attacking

471
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,360
income um they reported my videos too so like aside from patreon they wanted to get my channel taken

472
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,800
down off like uh copyright strike stuff and this is the same group of people they tried to dox my

473
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,960
business i sell headphones electronics and uh they not only dox the address now i think ahead it's not

474
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,960
where i live uh it's all it is is a private mailbox um but they tried to dox that because they felt that

475
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:35,040
that's where i physically was he stopped me at my job disturbing he stopped me at my job i was sent pictures of my

476
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:47,040
home i i had my work i have no idea how this person found who i was he sent emails to my work like he got

477
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:53,360
harassed so much they found out where he worked he i think he lost his job because there was hundreds of

478
00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:00,480
people calling screaming at people at his job but why are you do they teach respect because tom i mean

479
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,360
clarissa calling someone mentally ill without evidence or implying neurodivergent people are

480
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,640
mentally ill is quite unbecoming of a college professor not to mention bigoted and disrespectful

481
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:17,280
put on a dunce cap and sit in the corner does he go by clarissa or thomas i hope osu doesn't have

482
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:23,200
an ethics and morality clause for staff osu was a client of mine they definitely have morality social

483
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:29,600
media guidelines then you've got nothing to worry about except you've fucked up massively hey red gu what

484
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,880
are your thoughts on colleague thomas davis representing faculty like this online hey osu

485
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,680
are you aware department of english faculty member thomas davis is abusing people in fringe online

486
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:48,400
communities lmao you scared you should be oh man you are fucked lol the attacks were constant non-stop

487
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,960
and often involved my family my kids and my wife people contacted my employer and attempted to get me

488
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:01,280
fired others contacted disa and attempted to get my security clearance revoked it was an onslaught of

489
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:08,000
hate pure unadulterated hate i was drowning and i couldn't catch my breath and then they'll do that to

490
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:15,280
us so they put my like real my uh phone number my uh just pictures of like my family and friends

491
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:22,160
they feel good right now imagine that times a thousand videos times a thousand pictures but this

492
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:29,120
time put your family in it put your children in it put your uh loved ones in there you know have those

493
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:36,160
memes and t-shirts uh they sold about you quote got a text from jamie

494
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:51,520
and it said that uh hi from michael and it was an instagram account i've never had an instagram account

495
00:52:52,080 --> 00:53:01,440
it had a picture of my sister and my mother and i ask these questions to get a normal response instead

496
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:09,280
you get doxed instead you get your family put out on blast you get your children exposed fun games for

497
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,960
me since people started attacking me threatening me doxing me threatening my family the same people

498
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:22,640
threatened to come here and do myself and my family harm not only go after me but my family he went on

499
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:29,280
he looked at you know my father's business for example went on his website archived wayback machine

500
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:36,240
made up lies literally um reached out to somebody i sent a cease and desist to i have no idea

501
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:43,280
how he found this individual it was uh yeah just like i i i was shocked at like both the level of

502
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:51,040
slander and you know youtube is called james vr james underscore vr and uh there's now a a copycat

503
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:56,720
there's a complete replica of james vr i don't know what they're planning it's up i don't know

504
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:06,800
it's literally just monkey tag which is the only game he really plays um and they got the kid

505
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:13,760
drinking primes so far it's pretty like mild shit but who knows that it i i fucking have a feeling

506
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,720
they're setting it up to look like it's my kid's fucking vr one woman in this community they spread

507
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:24,240
a rumor around that she was prostituting herself and they reported her uh to try and get her kid

508
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:31,680
taken away from cps um b's mother they hacked her they hacked b's mom's facebook and where there's

509
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,960
messaging be a bunch of weird stuff uh they hacked tupacabra's mom's facebook and posted that she had

510
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,960
died so tupacabra isn't um so tupacabra and his family was getting like calls all day about like

511
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,280
whether or not his mom had died um to tupacabra's brother so not even to tupacabra but to his brother

512
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,160
to his brother's phone they sent pictures of uh his brother's house as we all knew that this

513
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:01,440
person that's got pictures of me and my kids and my husband saving his phone and if you and yours

514
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,480
saving his phone and and he's told us over and over that somebody just gives him the information

515
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:13,280
they sexualized my 12 year old daughter not my 18 year old for months for months

516
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:21,120
and send an email to several schools within three miles of where i live one of which went to my

517
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:26,240
daughter's school you're seeing images of me uh on only fans and you're saying i fought pills and

518
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:31,520
ignore my kid and i don't back on him this is an attack i'm not afraid of you and i'm gonna come

519
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:37,440
up here and post the and say what the did i do to you to deserve this what did any of what did you do

520
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:53,040
he said in a previous space that he was fed the information he was told to to go into discord and

521
00:55:53,040 --> 00:56:01,360
ask b who's cody how's cody the day before that he got into b and he said uh he asked about the otters

522
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:08,240
which is cody's middle school motherfucking mascot so he was building up to them and he said that he

523
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:14,160
was given that information so we need to recognize what's going on he represents the face of whatever

524
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:20,960
group is behind it their channels been with uh the people have been calling their homes and threatening

525
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:26,000
their children they doxed my grandmother which is where my children are watched so everybody online

526
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:31,200
knows where my children are watched they doxed me they put my phone number out i get calls

527
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,240
every single day from these people that's only enough for actual women for actual vets getting

528
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:42,400
harassed you haven't said shit posting pictures of my kids in my family with their schools and their

529
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:49,520
houses they put my legal name and the street name where i live out on the internet and then they said

530
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:57,760
we didn't dox you and they directed people to come and get me uh there were also hostile actors out

531
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:04,160
in the ufo community who were calling him and you know there's a nasty twitter verse out there i don't

532
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,880
know if and if you don't know about it ezra you're lucky because uh there's just a it's a very contentious

533
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:17,600
arena out there of people who are involved with this topic and they will sometimes try to cause harm to

534
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:27,680
people so back to greenwald he was called as one of the roaches who should be exterminated right okay

535
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:38,160
in a public tweet along with green street and a veteran named whose handle is named b who was

536
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:44,800
basically the the dangerous part of this and i can just say from from i'm only speaking for myself here but

537
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:51,440
shot myself on what they called an extermination list that uh they wanted to silence me and a few

538
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:58,160
others and um that kind of talk is is dangerous somebody else chimed in and said oh yeah that plan

539
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:09,760
is underway somebody has used an anonymous texting program and sent messages to me saying that if i go i

540
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:19,120
better wear a bulletproof vest so these are direct threats to me not putting a gun in your mouth um

541
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:26,800
you've responded to me again and you're not you've not killed yourself why um and when i responded and

542
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,120
said well i'm just letting you carry on so i can report you to the police um i don't give a

543
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:38,160
shit go away kill yourself right i'm in a stable mental health condition but if that sort of thing was

544
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,600
said to somebody that wasn't it could really do them some damage and fortunately we don't have

545
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:51,840
guns over here so it's not that easy that happened and people can go back and research uh there was

546
00:58:51,840 --> 00:59:00,880
somebody who was part of that group who actually did um end up committing a very serious heinous murder

547
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,800
and that's yeah i'll speak on that really quick that's a reference to chris gray and i'm actually

548
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,520
curious if anyone was around during that time because i've heard different things i was rpk he he

549
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:18,160
had he was a huge um it's safe to say he was almost like a kmf of yesteryear for the exactly era

550
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:26,400
that right he was in everybody's on he he commented literally on every single person in ufo twitter at

551
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:33,040
that point in time in february last year that was covered in sleep can be in the show and i'm not

552
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,680
going to go into all too much detail about it but the murderer was christopher gray who was

553
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:50,160
you know also do something quite frightening for many but quite important and i will play you the

554
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:58,960
original audio um the audio confession that he makes during the act

555
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:08,400
oh he's he's having a wee sleep at the moment see so what's this about your picture is that you're

556
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:17,040
getting proud about it hmm what are you accusing me of i'm not accusing you of anything um i'm accusing

557
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:25,600
dad though what for i'm trying to create try to create the antichrist what no no no no no man

558
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:34,800
dad is harmless old man is he yes so he

559
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:44,000
where reality man just come back to reality first like i have it's not easy to have to see things like

560
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:58,240
that i cannot emphasize enough how dangerous this cult is and how dangerous a lot of people in this

561
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,840
field though um but what's important to note too is in that thing he's talking about christopher gray

562
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,360
the guy who would eventually go on to murder his father and people would be harassed and talks for

563
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:11,920
him speaking about it on ufo twitter yeah polluting with him right that's scary as hell yeah it is scary

564
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:18,240
and as i mentioned right that um basically you know christopher gray was obvious he had files on

565
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:26,800
all of us because instantly right like he would tag he would uh he had pictures of like me lua zondo

566
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,800
and this other woman i don't want to name her because i know that she wants to kind of stay away from

567
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:37,200
this community and like he would have it like on his back pocket uh every now and then and it's kind of

568
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:46,080
wild um how this all connects but i'm very alarmed by the christopher gray situation and the fact that

569
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:52,640
uh he was as you guys described kind of like a a proto milk fart and that he was engaging in the same

570
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:59,680
things like that there's people taking advantage of psychologically vulnerable people sorry there's an

571
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:06,640
airplane really bad and christopher gray was and what he was capable of but no one took it seriously

572
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:12,160
and the people who knew knew that that it didn't matter and then they were going to let him do

573
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,400
killing his dad and like you think that would have been a wake-up call for this group but it looks like

574
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,200
they just went out and found a new crazy person to do this exact same stuff who mind you was arrested

575
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,920
for getting violent with a woman like last year and they're literally unleashing this person on multiple

576
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:31,840
women in this community well it also sounds like there's more there's more the climate is so unsafe

577
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that it's like i don't really care what people say about us but at the end of the day there's just

578
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so much backlash that it's like i don't want to do this anymore i don't want for a long well a long

579
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time a couple of years um that was long enough right yeah right yeah well honestly i left for my own

580
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mental health and also because you know i was i was running into this crowd that was becoming quite

581
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:02,800
belligerent and off of everything and also just there's been so many good people that have gotten

582
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,320
sick of being involved in this conversation because of what we're talking about jessica

583
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and maybe venny who talks about the cult stuff god we lost those voices here in spaces

584
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:23,440
but it's just it's just terrible the stuff that's going on and if anyone needs to sort of wonder

585
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:29,280
why i changed my profile around and stopped coming in spaces it's just this that we're all talking about

586
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,960
now well people i know who were duped um especially one of my friends uh jane kyle who's ufo jane

587
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here on uh youtube and she kind of she kind of was like i'm done with it you know and it's really sad

588
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,080
she was doing some really great in depth not only we're going to kick you out but we're going to

589
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:50,080
we're going to berate you and pummel you until you quit until you quit and a lot of people have

590
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:56,560
quit a lot of good thinkers rational thinkers um rather is just one but i'm thinking of the mad

591
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:02,160
scientist podcast zach seiche the progressive soapbox there's a whole list of people he's destroyed

592
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:08,480
that aren't hardly active at all that he obsessed over obsessed over obsessed over until they go away

593
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:19,440
so because it's legit killing the phenomena and enthusiasts want to come in here and talk about

594
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:25,520
ufos and disclosure and all that shit like what's the point bro what's the point if you question

595
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,240
anything then they're going to come after you so why would people want to be interested in this it's

596
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:35,840
hard enough to talk about ufos and uap and and then this happens repeatedly to the point they say f it

597
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and after everything about this f you for excoriating me f myself for getting into this it's not worth

598
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,560
it you know i mean and so if we don't talk about these things publicly you know just said how many

599
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people ran off just like how many people are unknown that just were just like you know i'm not going to

600
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do this and you know what i mean i would assume i would think for sure in the hundreds maybe even the

601
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:02,080
thousands who knows but but when i started hearing the amount of voices that had something to share and add

602
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:09,280
i realized how important it is to discuss because it's important to hear and then as somebody who's

603
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:16,080
going through it it's also important to understand that you're not nuts thinking you're some you know

604
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:24,640
lone target here that this is a problem that that you're not exaggerating it but rather it's important

605
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:31,440
to meet head on bring attention to and cross your fingers that more people will will say hey look

606
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,200
informing each other because they're doing this divide and conquer thing um where they just go

607
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:42,560
after people and and some people have had it a lot worse than others we all have a little piece of the

608
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:49,120
puzzle and we're all trying to make sense of what actually happened none of us know what happened

609
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:57,040
we're trying to discuss it but i guarantee you tomorrow there will be hit pieces on this entire

610
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:03,600
space those that are speaking up in this will likely find themselves harassed for speaking up about

611
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:10,640
the harassment and that's how ridiculous that space has become but the reason why it is important uh

612
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:18,320
and then we'll get to hefeistos behind closed doors is exactly the problem this damn community has it's

613
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:28,080
time to lay out everything so we can and figure out what actually is true and what isn't learned

614
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,960
that's why it's important that we do talk about this stuff right especially like me and you i feel

615
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,680
like it resonates with us because like we make content so like we get people who aren't into ufos

616
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,120
like into ufos and it's like we're supposed to invite them to this environment where there's this

617
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:44,240
like crazy harassment doxing culture going on and like not talk about it and just be like oh yeah you

618
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:49,760
watch my videos here come get doxed by this hate group like people need to start talking about this

619
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:56,320
share your dms stop this bullshit get it out watch what happens when when sunlight comes onto this

620
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,600
stuff i'm glad that jiminez is posting this stuff i'm glad that zach's posting this stuff i'm happy for

621
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:07,600
people like manny503 i'm happy for people like osiris anyone questioning this stuff is important and we

622
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,680
were all told and encouraged that questioning lou was questioning disclosure was questioning the

623
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,160
shit do it hit me up hit red up hit people up who've been through this shit but i i just can't

624
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,840
stand to sit here and like listen to like this thing be diminished it needs to be it needs a lot

625
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,600
of people need to be talking i honestly think the people who called it out ahead of like everything

626
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,160
coming out i think it's a badge of honor i think people who were silent and waited until like after

627
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,200
it was already on fucking netflix and shit like that i think it's a badge of shame about supporting each

628
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:40,720
other it's about giving each other the space to have different beliefs to have to share different

629
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experiences and and and it's going fast if it's not there already and uh and i wish more people

630
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,920
would speak out about it but instead the trolls are befriended by the big name and i don't you know

631
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:58,560
if anybody else wants to to say names that's fine but i'm not that they were uh liking and encouraging

632
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:07,360
and in some cases defending and participating in uh this behavior and it's it it it's so strange to talk

633
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:14,320
about it but it really is um uh because it can and i've seen people tag him and stuff that he does

634
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:19,280
like that and he turns a damn blind eye to it you know and what i wanted to say this earlier about him

635
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:25,840
and his sock puppets that just speaks to the level of you know tom delong just shared you know whose

636
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:32,560
tweets and shout him out like a week ago and uh as soon as he got dressed well if he is representing

637
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:40,640
king milk far well if he is representing king milk far after everything an army sergeant doesn't become

638
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:49,280
the head of anything then why would more people not talk about it that he was he's impersonating or he's

639
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:57,120
misrepresenting himself because it's a psyop period do you understand that why why would lou follow that

640
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:06,800
milk fart so you think lou is actually is actually being planted in the community to mislead that's

641
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:13,360
what you're saying basically i think it's a it's a yes that's exactly what i believe elizondo follows

642
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,120
milk fart he's been notified multiple times of milk farts behavior he continues to follow him

643
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:22,560
milk fart harasses and attacks people who say anything critical of elizondo the attacks and

644
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,840
the fights i mean look everyone's responsible for their their own actions i am you are everyone is

645
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:33,840
but you know there certainly is like about probably less than a dozen people on this platform um who

646
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:39,280
could have just i mean i've called out some things and i've spent lots of time on it one of the reasons

647
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:45,280
is because my influence with the communities that do that is very low you know very low um but there's

648
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,600
about a dozen people less who could have put out literally about one tweet and brought that whole

649
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:55,840
situation to an end that i think is very telling i think that says a lot about those people with the

650
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,240
influence they had on those disclosed activist community you know what i mean it would have took

651
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:06,080
literally one tweet to say you know we are we are totally against you know this abhorrent attacking

652
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,200
people of you know doing this and that and stuff so it quite obviously either it suits them

653
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:18,560
to be happening or they are involved in it or they really have a disregard for abuse in the community

654
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,960
of other people so i'm not going to name any names because we all know we all think of probably 10

655
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,360
people that could have put out a tweet like that and brought it to an end and none of them but we

656
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:33,120
shouldn't just keep you know accepting this we should get you know people to disclose you know how many

657
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:39,840
people do you actually know that call themselves insiders and are ah what's your benefit in in keeping this

658
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:49,280
connection alive luisa lizondo is observing everything that's going on nothing in ufo twitter is

659
01:10:50,800 --> 01:11:01,040
out of his view okay the fact that he has not addressed this is no it's not just him but he's the big

660
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:06,960
one the fact that he's the person that a lot of these people are doing it in his name that's a big

661
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:15,120
issue and the fact that he is not coming out to you know defend all these people who are being uh

662
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:25,600
victimized on his behalf is a little bit concerning to me it is concerning ingestion of u.s citizens in a

663
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:38,480
social media um subculture without the influence of people who work at the space force uapx i was

664
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:45,600
there when lua was on it was so listed and by the way just for so everyone knows my stance i still haven't

665
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:52,720
i i'm disappointed that lou doesn't call out idiots like kmf and all this crazy that's going on

666
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:57,840
i think that makes him look bad i think that that will end up working against him in the future i

667
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:05,040
have texted lou i've told him about kmf he still doesn't unfollow him that bugs me right yeah it is

668
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:11,040
strange and and like look like you know you're not the only one who's noticed that right which

669
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,560
hopefully makes you feel a bit better fk um like i've had conversations with some like really

670
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:23,280
influential ufo people who aren't going to say publicly but absolutely find it disturbing that

671
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:31,360
lou of zondo still follows kmf like it does make sense uh right so um that is so like the interesting

672
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:38,800
yeah man that's exactly where you're missing the thread my friend it absolutely well deep is in this

673
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:45,040
space right now telling y'all he's personally text lou about it and uh i get that he doesn't want to

674
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:50,720
address it uh but he still follows him right so it's been brought to his attention multiple times

675
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:56,960
and he still follows the dude so uh you know this dude he used to be counterintelligence whatever uh

676
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:02,000
and you think he doesn't know what's going on i mean we're just kidding ourselves right now if he's

677
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,280
orchestrating it or anything that's you know who knows about all that stuff but uh the bottom line

678
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:12,560
is he does know what's going on and uh he chooses not to do anything and to still follow the dude so i

679
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,560
just wanted to point that stuff out and he's told us over and over that somebody just gives him the

680
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:22,640
information and that somebody turns out to be somebody that i looked up to as a hero it's uh

681
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:31,520
changes quite a lot i would have walked through fire for lou alizondo until i saw this and he is quite

682
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:39,760
aware of it and i am concerned and worried that he's directed it if he's directed it there's trouble

683
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you