1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,640 Welcome back to Reality Check and this week in our continuing series of interviews with 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:19,640 people who featured in our UAP crash retrieval story, Don Paul Bales. He's another of the 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,960 interviewees with an impeccable military service history who backed the credentials of our primary 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:34,580 interviewee in that story, Jake Barber, who served at the elite of the U.S. military. Mr. Bales has 5 00:00:34,580 --> 00:00:42,180 25 years combined service in military and law enforcement. He served with the 82nd Airborne, 6 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:49,520 the U.S. Army's elite specialist parachute assault airborne infantry division, and he also served 7 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:55,440 with the U.S. Air Force. And as he tells me in this full-length interview, he met Jake Barber in 8 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:02,940 1996 and soon realized very early on that Jake was far more than the aircraft mechanic described in 9 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:12,180 his service history. He confirms Barber was diverted from his tier one combat control training into a 10 00:01:12,180 --> 00:01:20,340 covert intelligence role. Crucially, Don Paul Bales also later worked as a member of Jake Barber's team 11 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:28,720 on the range. He corroborates the work they did and the anomalous phenomena they witnessed there. 12 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:36,260 He was also present when Barber confronted a senior executive with the private aerospace company that 13 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:42,680 had deployed them on the operation that went bad. Here's Don Paul Bales. 14 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:56,840 So, Don Paul Bales, thank you so much for joining us. Can you just tell me a little bit about yourself? 15 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:05,400 I've got a kind of interesting back story. I've done 25 years combined service in military and law 16 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:12,940 enforcement. Grew up in Arkansas, and I now am running an MMA gym. I've done so for about a decade 17 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:19,100 since I left being a full-time police officer, and that's about it. 18 00:02:19,460 --> 00:02:22,600 Okay, so when did you first meet Jake Barber? 19 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:29,360 In 1996, when I was serving at Fort Bragg, North Carolina with the 82nd Airborne Division. 20 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Now, we're constrained because of your doctors about the units that you were working for. We can't 21 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,920 specifically name them, but basically, you were both working as special operations elite soldiers. 22 00:02:42,260 --> 00:02:47,200 Yeah, I was with the 82nd, and prior to my service with the Army, I was with the Air Force, 23 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:55,080 and I met Jacob in that official capacity, and soon after we met, I started finding out that he was 24 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:02,340 involved in different levels of service beyond the topical surface units that he appeared to be a 25 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:03,540 member of, so yes. 26 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,600 So, Jack Barber tells us that he was essentially diverted out of what was the normal track program 27 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,200 for a combat controller. Normally, I guess, he might have been put into, say, something like 28 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Delta Force or one of the elite U.S. Air Force groups, but he ended up getting diverted, he says, 29 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,180 into a covert role with an intelligence agency that we're not going to name. 30 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:27,700 Yes. 31 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:28,960 You can confirm that? 32 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:29,580 Yes, I can. 33 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,800 Are you happy to share, if necessary, your DD-214 with us to give us an idea about your... 34 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,680 My DD-214? Oh, yes. I'll have two, one from the Air Force, one from the Army. 35 00:03:40,980 --> 00:03:46,540 Right. And so, there's no question at all in your mind that Jake Barber is the person that he says he is, 36 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:48,440 and he's had the service that he says he's had. 37 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,420 Yes, served with him, and also have been close friends for decades. 38 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:00,060 The DD-214, the release document, discharge document for Jake Barber, though, it only shows him 39 00:04:00,060 --> 00:04:02,040 as being an aerospace mechanic. 40 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:03,760 Mm-hmm. 41 00:04:05,260 --> 00:04:07,120 Doesn't that mean that that's not the case? 42 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:15,460 When you're recruiting someone for programs that exist outside of public knowledge, 43 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,700 and you're going to have them acting in ways, moving around, 44 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,520 their capacity needs to be verifiable, explainable in a more mundane way. 45 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:29,620 And at first, when I first met him, I thought the same thing, 46 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:32,620 that he was simply a matter of a conventional military unit. 47 00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:34,600 Come to find out that was not the case. 48 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,280 However, working in that capacity is a perfect cover story for the things he was actually doing 49 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,100 for the unnamed three-letter agency. 50 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,880 So, he's not just an aircraft mechanic? 51 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,340 No, he's not just an aircraft mechanic. 52 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,380 It's a great cover. 53 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,060 Mm-hmm. 54 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,740 Let's talk about Jake Barber and his character as a human being. 55 00:04:54,820 --> 00:04:59,600 You guys, I know, in special operations, you're often in some tough situations. 56 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:01,720 You have to rely on each other. 57 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,280 So, is Jake Barber a person who you would trust? 58 00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:06,080 Oh, yes. 59 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,100 He's a person I would and have trusted with my life. 60 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:13,360 If he says something which he's said to us, 61 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:19,040 he's made extremely detailed allegations and comments to us about the program. 62 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:19,500 Mm-hmm. 63 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,780 Can we take it to the bank that what he is telling us is true? 64 00:05:22,780 --> 00:05:23,460 Absolutely. 65 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:29,240 And the capacity I worked for Jacob was unique from the other people involved with the program. 66 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:31,620 He's in a leadership role. 67 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:38,340 As you'll find out interviewing me, I served in a pretty particular way for that program. 68 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:45,700 But having both a military and extensive law enforcement background, I've seen extensive credentials that he maintained. 69 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:51,260 And credentials he was even issued at specific points in time to accomplish specific things. 70 00:05:51,340 --> 00:05:55,720 These are not credentials that can be fabricated artificially, per se. 71 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:01,620 And given having worked within law enforcement and military communities, I've seen orders, I've seen credentials. 72 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:08,080 He is a highly credible person who has functioned on multiple levels within covert operations. 73 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,860 What do you think of his morals, his ethics? 74 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:20,120 In my opinion, the very fact that he's coming forward in the way that he is, is exemplary of his character. 75 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:26,020 Because many people who come forward to disclose have their character assassinated. 76 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,320 It puts their well-being in jeopardy on a lot of levels. 77 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:31,960 There are people who've lost their lives. 78 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:34,500 There are people who've lost their careers. 79 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,860 Luckily, I think Jacob is smarter than the average bear. 80 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:47,500 He is a very, he's a very diverse person that he's functioned both within his capacity in the covert community. 81 00:06:47,860 --> 00:06:49,600 But he's also a very successful entrepreneur. 82 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,400 He has made a small fortune for himself with multiple businesses he owns and operates. 83 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:02,640 And since you asked about his character, when you have a comfortable life and everything to lose and nothing to gain, 84 00:07:03,140 --> 00:07:06,880 I do believe that there's been some crackpots in people come forward over the years 85 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,640 because they're seeking fame and fortune. 86 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,040 He has fortune and no need for fame. 87 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:20,160 What do you think about his decision to be a whistleblower on what's been going on inside the crash retrieving program? 88 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,660 I think he's very strategically wise in his timing 89 00:07:26,660 --> 00:07:33,980 because there have been people who've been involved with the program he's involved with that have lost their lives. 90 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:45,180 And I think at this point, it is a good inoculation to any nefarious actions against him to come forward and share what he knows. 91 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:54,420 And there's enough people now whose pedigree within government, within the military, very high-ranking officers, multiple special operations service members. 92 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 There's actually a small army of people coming forward. 93 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:05,680 And I think that he feels compelled to support these people who are being attacked professionally and personally. 94 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,680 And it's a good defense for himself, I believe. 95 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,940 And it's in defense of the greater good and the truth of this. 96 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:14,180 It's an important time in history. 97 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,280 And I think he feels compelled to do what he's doing. 98 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:26,260 I've often said that the story of the suppression of the existence of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet is the biggest story in human history. 99 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:26,780 Oh, yes. 100 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,880 Do you agree with that? 101 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:28,480 I do. 102 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,920 It's super important to me on a personal and a professional level. 103 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,180 I'm not an overtly religious person, but I believe strongly in God. 104 00:08:37,580 --> 00:08:38,540 I'm a patriot. 105 00:08:38,740 --> 00:08:39,940 I believe strongly in my country. 106 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,340 That doesn't mean I believe in my government. 107 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,920 I believe in the founding principles of our community and our country. 108 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,840 I believe in our country's people. 109 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:50,080 But I believe that there are bad actors. 110 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,120 When I swore an oath to defend our country, it was against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. 111 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:09,840 And I think some of the greatest enemies that we have, unfortunately, are bad actors within the deep state that are preventing, let's just say, the growth of humanity, the maturing of humanity in the context of some things that most of us know now. 112 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,400 Others will instinctively and fundamentally doubt. 113 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,080 But the time's coming. 114 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:17,340 Well, that will not be an option. 115 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:18,300 There'll be too much. 116 00:09:18,380 --> 00:09:20,760 It's like drinking through a water hose at this point. 117 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,440 The amount of imagery, the amount of whistleblowers. 118 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:29,240 I think that we're coming to a quickening in history. 119 00:09:30,460 --> 00:09:34,160 You sent a shiver up my spine when you talked about swearing an oath. 120 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:38,880 Because there's Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution. 121 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,020 You understand, don't you? 122 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:41,440 I do. 123 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:44,680 What does Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution enshrine? 124 00:09:44,680 --> 00:10:00,100 Well, the legislative branch in particular is supposed to have oversight over all activities that are done in the name of our country and the furtherance of its interests, its protection against threats in particular, the way we spend our money. 125 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:12,940 There's massive amounts of money that are so big that when the average citizen hear that the Defense Department can't account for billions of dollars or more, they're like, wow, that's crazy. 126 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,880 And they just go about their daily lives. 127 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:33,540 The fact that members of our own government have not been read in or advised of the truth of these things, that presidents are referred to as temporary employees, that's not just immoral, it's unconstitutional, it's not lawful, it's not the best interest of our communities and our countries. 128 00:10:34,340 --> 00:10:38,140 Can I just tell you, Don, I just had a sense then that what you just said was historic. 129 00:10:38,140 --> 00:10:41,060 I don't think anybody's ever said that before. 130 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:44,540 Well, it's unfortunate because I worry. 131 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:48,980 I'm very much a family man, love my wife and children more than anything. 132 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,060 And our country is historically positioned to set the standard for personal freedoms. 133 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,500 Our Constitution was developed in a feudal time in history. 134 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,640 We've been a warlike people at war with each other since the beginning of recorded history. 135 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:10,260 And we wanted to create a government of the people and for the people. 136 00:11:11,180 --> 00:11:19,720 And in so doing, the Founding Fathers had the wherewithal to create checks and balances to prevent the very sort of things that we see happening now. 137 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:25,660 And those checks and balances, from your knowledge of what's going on, are not working? 138 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,920 No, they're not working. 139 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:34,560 The former president warned us the single greatest threat to our country was the development of the military-industrial complex. 140 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,320 Well, I half agree. 141 00:11:36,860 --> 00:11:40,940 You need to have a strong military-industrial complex to defend your country. 142 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:56,820 But when that very organization is promoting wars for the sake of wars, withholding important technology, in the context of this interview, advanced technology that is reverse-engineered from extraterrestrial technology, 143 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,800 you could literally change the lives of every American citizen. 144 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,680 And we're a standard-bearer for the world. 145 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:06,620 If these things were brought forward and shared, it would be life-changing. 146 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,780 And instead of worrying about my children's future, I would know that whenever my time comes, there's a brighter tomorrow. 147 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:16,140 There's a lot of things and people standing in the way of that. 148 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Let's go through the detail. 149 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:20,980 Okay. 150 00:12:20,980 --> 00:12:29,340 When you were in the services, before you got involved with Jacob Barber, did you even think about UFOs, UAPs? 151 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,080 I kind of grew up like most of them. 152 00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:33,920 Well, I say most. 153 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,860 I was one of the kids that was into science fiction. 154 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:39,340 One of the first movies I saw as a kid was Star Wars. 155 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:40,700 Watched Star Trek. 156 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:48,240 But beyond the pop culture thing, you know, I was just as into, you know, Hot Wheels and G.I. Joe and Transformers. 157 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Other than the popular culture notion, I did like a British show, Doctor Who, when I was a kid. 158 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:54,640 I thought all that was very cool. 159 00:12:55,940 --> 00:13:04,200 But beyond pop culture and science fiction, I hadn't thought much, much of it until after my military service, after meeting Jacob. 160 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:08,680 You know, I've always thought that it's a big universe, the idea that we're all there is. 161 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:11,660 I don't think that's mathematically beyond an outlier. 162 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:13,840 I think it's impossible, not just improbable. 163 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,440 But I haven't had much interest beyond just the passing interest in science fiction. 164 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,540 Is there a moment when you discovered for the first time that we are not alone, us humans? 165 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,160 I will say this. 166 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Before I began doing some of the things I have done for Jacob, and before I saw some of the things I saw, 167 00:13:34,820 --> 00:13:37,940 I had a predisposition to think, yeah, it's probably true, but I don't know. 168 00:13:37,940 --> 00:13:45,020 But when you witness things, you know, like there's a lot of imagery that's out there now. 169 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,340 It's been out for years of craft, UAP, UCB, UFO, whatever you want to call it, 170 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:55,320 that move in ways which defy normal flight characteristics and physics. 171 00:13:56,260 --> 00:14:02,460 But the problem is we exist in a day and age of movies and CGI, and you can see stuff, and that's not believing. 172 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:11,440 Even the things I've seen myself at range becoming directly knowledgeable about the programs and what it can mean, 173 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,060 there's this, is this extraterrestrial or advanced technology? 174 00:14:15,260 --> 00:14:17,300 Is it reverse-engineered human technology? 175 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,020 And that presents a unique threat to us as a nation. 176 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:26,060 I don't believe we have a government that does a lot of good and noble things on our defense. 177 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:26,800 We have bad actors. 178 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,740 I think the same is true of other countries, too. 179 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:36,880 So, when you start to see and experience things firsthand, it matures your understanding, like, oh, there is something beyond this here. 180 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:44,720 Even if the things I saw initially were AT, there's nothing that is publicly known which can explain the flight characteristics. 181 00:14:44,820 --> 00:14:47,740 And these go back, you know, you can watch shows, documentaries. 182 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:55,480 It's a longstanding fact that there are observable phenomenons that cannot be explained. 183 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:09,420 But when you start to see it and then you get involved with people who are directly responsible with the crash recovery and other things and understand the weaponization of these things, that is all too human of a thing. 184 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,240 And I think once you experience it, it's not like this awesome, oh, wow, this is all real. 185 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,800 It's like, well, what are we going to do with this? 186 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,580 Like, splitting the atom, you know? 187 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,380 Can I just explore with you? 188 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:26,840 There's obviously been a very successful cover-up for decades. 189 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:28,780 We've all been taught. 190 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,820 Most people watching this, I think, think that UFOs, UAPs are complete rubbish. 191 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:35,820 Yeah, that's the default. 192 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,120 I think it's a self-defense mechanism of human psychology. 193 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:48,360 It is much easier to think that everybody that talks about this is crazy than accept the fact that, A, we're not alone in the universe. 194 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,660 B, UAPs are real. 195 00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:54,980 And what does that mean for us? 196 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,720 Are they a risk to us? 197 00:15:56,900 --> 00:16:00,140 Are they, in some ways, an asset that could create a brighter tomorrow? 198 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:02,160 I think that both are likely true. 199 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,380 But for most people, it's easier just to say, ah, that's a bunch of crazy people. 200 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,100 That's fake. 201 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:08,760 It's not real. 202 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,840 It's kind of a default self-defense mechanism. 203 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:21,560 And when you combine with that bad actors within certain levels of government, they can fuel that by throwing out disinformation. 204 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,780 They can paint people who are honest in exposing what they've seen. 205 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:35,560 And you see everybody from high-level military operators to mundane people, school children, seeing things by the dozens. 206 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:42,420 It's very easy to explain things away with lies when people's default reaction is doubt anyway. 207 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:47,640 To your knowledge, have people been killed to protect this? 208 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Yes. 209 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:50,820 They have. 210 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,460 It's horrific. 211 00:16:52,860 --> 00:16:53,520 It is horrific. 212 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:54,280 And it's evil. 213 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,680 And it's unlawful. 214 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,380 I'm just pondering for a moment the significance of that. 215 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:05,760 People who presumably wanted the secret to be told. 216 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:21,660 Well, I hate to say it, but again, as much as I love my country, there have been times where we have done things that, in hindsight, were not just wrong, but they were morally reprehensible. 217 00:17:22,060 --> 00:17:27,340 And unfortunately, people have been killed for much lesser reasons than something as significant as this. 218 00:17:27,340 --> 00:17:38,700 And if you think about the amount of profit that can be leveraged against this technology, unfortunately, there's that old biblical idea, man cannot serve both God and mammon. 219 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:55,140 Well, when there's so much profit at stake, it is unfortunately not surprising to me that people have been killed to cover up which particular elements of government, which particular commercial entities have access to this technology, biologics. 220 00:17:55,140 --> 00:18:01,380 I think it's unfortunately very easy to understand that people will be killed because of the amount of profit involved. 221 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:11,280 One of the problems, I think, the mistakes that we in the media often make is we tend to see the military or the intelligence community as one big monolith that all thinks the same way. 222 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:25,000 I've been quite struck, not just because I've met you guys, by the number of people who have contacted me from within the legacy program for years, deeply concerned at the fact that this is being kept secret. 223 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:25,880 Yes. 224 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:41,580 Well, you have to think also, going all the way back to the development of the atomic bomb, there's an instinct within the intelligence community to compartmentalize knowledge and access to evidence and documents. 225 00:18:41,580 --> 00:19:01,100 Because the single best way to make someone appear to be lying or in some way crazy is you don't give them the tools they need to prove. 226 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:07,200 Even people, I believe you've interviewed, Lou Alessandro, there are other people who have come forward, David Grush. 227 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:18,800 If you can compartmentalize it to the point that they cannot present the evidence, because again, you could watch stuff on your phone now that looks real and it's something somebody made up with software. 228 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:32,980 The easiest way to maintain this idea that this is all rubbish, I believe is the term you'd use, is just when you have everybody compartmentalized, but those same people know what they've seen. 229 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:34,160 They know what they've done. 230 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:35,600 They have seen evidence. 231 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,480 They have taken, and in this case, been involved with crash recovery activity. 232 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:50,660 And then you add to that, okay, there's not just this great lie being told to our countrymen, but their patriotic brothers and sisters have died in the service of it. 233 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:55,320 And at the end of the day, they're called liars, and they try to discredit and debunk them. 234 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:02,620 That's a deeply painful thing for people like my friend Jacob, who's literally given decades of his life in service of this. 235 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:10,460 Ultimately, what you're assessing there is that Jacob's being the true patriot, honoring the terms of your constitution. 236 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:11,400 He is. 237 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,780 Well, again, love for one's country does not mean love for one's government. 238 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:24,940 I'm sure we can all pick politicians on both sides of the aisle that we think did great things for our nation, and some that we think were horrible, bad actors. 239 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,680 The truth is most are human beings, and they've done both good and bad things. 240 00:20:28,780 --> 00:20:29,920 I was a big fan of Reagan. 241 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:35,640 You could list a number of things he did which were crucial to what we're discussing now. 242 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:40,340 You could also describe actions that he took that some would consider villainous. 243 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:44,060 No one individual is either fully good or bad. 244 00:20:44,060 --> 00:20:47,280 So now, like you said, it's not a monolithic one entity. 245 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:55,800 There's organizations within organizations that may be performing similar functions that don't even know the other actors exist. 246 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:58,660 And that creates quite a bit of risk. 247 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Obviously, there may be weapons that could be developed. 248 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,940 Maybe is a word. 249 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:07,460 Yeah. 250 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,880 Technologies that could be developed from this alien technology. 251 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,680 And as I say the word alien, my head explodes with the implications of what we're talking about here. 252 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,560 We're talking about non-human intelligence. 253 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:20,980 Intelligent beings from somewhere else. 254 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:21,300 Yes. 255 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,100 And we have their technology. 256 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:25,580 That's what we're saying here. 257 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:26,020 Yes. 258 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:27,820 Yes. 259 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:28,540 It's mind-blowing. 260 00:21:28,780 --> 00:21:29,260 It is. 261 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:33,580 What do you say to the people watching this who are going, I don't believe this? 262 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:43,700 Well, I saw a meme that says something about conspiracy theorists are doing pretty good right now in terms of everything that we say. 263 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,040 Within five or ten years, you're considered ridiculous. 264 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,440 And then you're vindicated when something comes downrange. 265 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:58,580 It is more and more, and this is the big thing, it's got to be tangible evidence that can be given to credible evaluators of tangible evidence. 266 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:01,420 Because imagery alone is not enough anymore. 267 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:03,340 Even testimony. 268 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:10,280 You're just going to have one person after another discredited, and that doubt reflex will kick in from whomever is viewing. 269 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:23,320 But when things get to a point where so much information is coming forward, and it can be supplemented with tangible evidence, there'll come a time when you can no longer deny it. 270 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:34,860 And again, I fear that disclosure, there are those who want to disclose for very good and noble reasons, and those who want to disclose, I think, for evil and nefarious reasons. 271 00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:41,180 Similarly, I think some who have kept it hidden feel like they're being compelled to do so by good and moral reasons. 272 00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:43,980 Some have kept it hidden for very evil reasons. 273 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:49,440 So you have a very complicated issue, and I think it's exactly what you said, Mr. Colbert. 274 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240 It's literally going to change humanities. 275 00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:59,520 We will never view our place in the universe the same again, and it will be the most significant of it in human history. 276 00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:01,140 And it's happening right now. 277 00:23:01,140 --> 00:23:02,740 It is. It is happening right now. 278 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:10,140 So, is there one moment that you can tell me about when you've seen this technology for yourself for the first time? 279 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,900 Honestly, it's kind of not that big a deal. 280 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,880 Seeing them in the distance is one thing. 281 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:24,540 I'll tell you one that aggravates me because I didn't see it when my cohorts did, 282 00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:34,340 and it's one that exists outside of DOPS or review because we're now moving into a stage where I'm functioning as the same asset I've been, 283 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,640 but publicly for an organization that's being funded publicly. 284 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:45,980 Some of the members of my team saw an object pass directly over my entry control point on a site I was at. 285 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:51,000 And it was at such a range, and I was like, man, so I'm here facing this direction, 286 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,300 and the thing passes over me in a direction I didn't see. 287 00:23:54,380 --> 00:23:56,140 It's not the ones I see that are cool. 288 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,220 It's a feeling of being left out of the one that I can publicly discuss, which is quite irritating. 289 00:24:01,220 --> 00:24:05,020 So what types of craft have you seen? Have you seen the egg? 290 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,860 The egg was the one, this last one. 291 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,180 I'm going to go back in a time period which is not, and I'll say this too. 292 00:24:13,180 --> 00:24:18,780 Part of what I did for Jacob is I performed a lot of peripheral duties, movement of people and things, 293 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,060 something as mundane as I have a hazmat driver's license. 294 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,740 I've protected people and things and moved people and things, but I'm not a pilot. 295 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:37,480 My function on the team, again, I have communicated with high-level security officials on behalf of and with Jacob. 296 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,560 Direct communications is dangerous because people have lost their lives, 297 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:49,560 and it's probably more my law enforcement background where I became a good asset to Jacob and still am than my military background. 298 00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:54,160 Jacob is kind of hard because he's also my close friend, and he's risking quite a bit to do this. 299 00:24:54,160 --> 00:25:00,380 I was surprised, but not surprised. Surprised because of the risk, not surprised because of his character. 300 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:02,200 It takes an active courage, doesn't it? 301 00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:04,100 Oh, it does, and he has more to lose. 302 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,540 Ross, he's a businessman and a very wealthy businessman, very creative entrepreneur. 303 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:17,240 He's into music. He has a beautiful family, a lot of interests outside of this, literally risking everything, 304 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,300 and he's not the average citizen. The fame is not going to be an asset to him. 305 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:29,440 Let's talk about psionics. I hadn't even heard that word until about two years ago. 306 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,100 It's crazy, isn't it? 307 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:36,760 There was a scientist in the program who said to me that if I needed to understand what was going on, 308 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,700 I needed to understand consciousness. 309 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:39,420 Yes. 310 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,100 And it's true, isn't it? 311 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:41,820 It is true. 312 00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:47,780 Well, I've had the pleasure of meeting multiple psionic assets. I've seen them function. 313 00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:50,140 I know that they're capable of doing what they're doing. 314 00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:56,660 This is funny. I told you about the incident that I was present for that's happened since the classified stuff, 315 00:25:56,740 --> 00:26:00,900 but that's completely public, and that brings me to a funny story. 316 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,560 So Fred and other members of the team see this thing. 317 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,500 So Gary has the psionic assets doing their thing. 318 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,740 And Jacob's over there eating some food, and I'm watching all this. 319 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,740 This is very cool. This is very interesting. This is great. 320 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,420 Because of the proximity, because of my normal duties, I'm right there ready to rock, you know? 321 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,820 So I go down my entry control point, and I come back, and everybody's all, oh, my God. 322 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560 And Fred tells me, and they're going through all this. 323 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:34,180 And then, so I'm flying back to my normal life, and I'm sitting in an airport, you know, having a drink, 324 00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:39,860 and I start getting all these information that there was a massive amount of reportings on social media 325 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:42,400 and the immediate proximity of the work of the psionics. 326 00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:52,180 Now, the dog whistle, the science-based, I would say, the technology-based way of communicating with NHI and UAPs is one thing. 327 00:26:52,180 --> 00:27:01,020 But the psionics, man, it was the amount of activity in the area immediately proximal to what we were doing was amazing, even for me. 328 00:27:01,340 --> 00:27:10,360 So you can definitively say that you believe there is a capacity in the human mind to somehow psychically, telepathically connect. 329 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,940 Yes, and Dr. Nolan's done a good job. 330 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,160 I don't understand. I'm not even going to try to use the anatomical part of the brain because I mess it up every time I try to say it. 331 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:24,220 But there's physiological signs that can be measured. 332 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,960 Dr. Nolan's quite good at this. 333 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:34,360 And I don't know if it's a byproduct, if it's something that they were born with or is a response to interaction with, 334 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:39,380 if it's a product of communication in some way that they were chosen and communicated with, 335 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,320 or if it's something that they were born with and it's a genetic or congenital trait. 336 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,920 But there is certain people who are quantifiably, verifiably capable of this. 337 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:58,080 I think a lot of people watching this might be able to come to terms with the idea of there being aliens, non-human intelligence. 338 00:27:58,820 --> 00:28:05,800 I do think a lot of people are going to have trouble with the concept of psychic abilities being real. 339 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,080 I mean, we've all been told for years that psychic abilities are fiction. It's nonsense. 340 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:17,480 Again, doubt is the, even religion, doubting Thomas. 341 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,080 Doubt seems to be the default mechanism. 342 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:25,500 Until you've seen it or experienced, I believe that's probably the psychologically safer way to view things. 343 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:34,640 But having seen it actually function is one thing, but the amount of activity by all, 344 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,740 social media is a funny thing because, you know, if we say that this incident occurred, that's one thing. 345 00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:46,960 But if you go back and you see people all around a geographic area starting to report and see things, 346 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:50,820 the old, I'm from the country, the old saying, the proof is in the pudding. 347 00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:58,540 When you see these things manifest a response from UAPs, well, is that a coincidence? 348 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,980 Given the size, physical size of our own galaxy and solar system alone, 349 00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:11,620 the likelihood that that is not a direct reaction to an overt attempt to communicate, I think, is just as unlikely. 350 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,240 It's exciting. 351 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,800 It is exciting. It's kind of interesting. 352 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,820 It's very interesting. 353 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120 It's spiritual, in a way. 354 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,220 It is. I believe it's very spiritual. 355 00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:23,520 So, I mean, I'm not a good enough scholar to reference it, 356 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,380 but there are things biblically which refer to wheels in the sky and such, 357 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:32,200 and history you've seen, images and paintings and things that kind of hint that 358 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,440 this has been something that mankind's been aware of since even before recorded history as we know it. 359 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,740 Are you a man of faith? 360 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,280 I am. 361 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:42,340 I'm a Christian by definition. 362 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:49,920 Do you find the concept of believing that aliens are real and that we can psychically engage with them, 363 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,500 do you find that contradictory to your belief in God? 364 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:53,680 Well, no. 365 00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:02,760 Now, some of my, I'd say, believing brothers and sisters, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or some other faith, 366 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,160 I think they may find it antithetical. 367 00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:07,840 But to me, that's a knee-jerk opposite reaction. 368 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,260 If you think about a God as a prime mover, a creator of the universe, 369 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,880 to think that a universe that we now know through modern science, 370 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,340 I think we have something being stood up next year in 2025 371 00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:29,300 that will be one of the most powerful ways to view our universe that we've seen in our history. 372 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,460 We know that we have a very expansive universe. 373 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,140 To think that we have, and Christians believe, Muslims believe, Jews believe, 374 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,440 that we have a creator of the universe, 375 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:45,480 to create this much space for one self-aware species seems to be like a lot of waste of space. 376 00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:46,920 Well, it's an arrogance, really. 377 00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:48,180 It is. It's hubris. 378 00:30:48,740 --> 00:30:54,000 So let's talk about the concerning things that happened during your work with Jake. 379 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:01,100 You and Jake were tasked to recover what you guys refer to as high-value targets, 380 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,220 and they were six Panasonic tough books. 381 00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:09,600 And we don't know for sure what was on those tough books, do we? 382 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,200 But it may have been video, it may have been some kind of data. 383 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,740 But the company, the private aerospace company that we're not naming, 384 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,820 that you were working for in that particular job, 385 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,700 it wanted those books back. 386 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,940 Yes, and technically I did not work for them, I worked for Jacob. 387 00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:29,960 You would refer to me as a subcontract employee. 388 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,680 Right. So what happened? 389 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,040 I'm not going to discuss any of that. 390 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,380 I've not been reviewed, my activities have not been reviewed by Dobser. 391 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:38,860 Can you confirm this? 392 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,060 Were you involved in any of the retrieval attempts? 393 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:41,460 Yes. 394 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,000 And I'm not, out of respect for Jake, going to go into the detail of what happened, 395 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800 but I'm aware that a dangerous incident occurred. 396 00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:51,120 Let's leave it at that. 397 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:58,560 A concern arose, didn't it, in your group, in your team. 398 00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:04,780 That as a subcontractor, your whole operation was plausibly deniable. 399 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,840 Yes. 400 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,540 Was there a concern that you were being set up, potentially? 401 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:13,960 Yes. 402 00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:18,540 Set up is a mild term. 403 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:25,100 You touched on earlier the fact that people have lost their lives involved in this type of activity. 404 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:31,400 And the links to which people have gone to suppress politically uncomfortable truths, 405 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,280 let alone world-changing facts, is such that there is risk involved. 406 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,680 And because I'm a unique element in service of Jacob and the overarching program, unlike the others, 407 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:49,740 I've been present when we've attempted to make direct contact with superiors within the program 408 00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:56,720 to clarify exactly what's going on and to find... 409 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:06,160 To get to a place where we felt comfortable within the context of what we were doing became more and more difficult. 410 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:15,760 Both of you came away, I won't name the private aerospace company involved, but I think Jake spoke to the director of security for a private aerospace company. 411 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,100 Yes. 412 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,080 And neither of you came away with the sense that you were getting a straight answer. 413 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,380 No, we spoke with more than one individual at a very high level of authority. 414 00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:29,020 And I don't know what Jacob said, but I'll tell you this. 415 00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:31,480 And I say this based on my law enforcement background, too. 416 00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:38,080 When the people who are supposed to be at the highest levels are afraid to discuss what you're doing, that's a clue. 417 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:43,080 When they are worried about their well-being and the well-being of their families, 418 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,780 and I'm talking about as high of the food chain as the public would be aware of these food chains within these unnamed organizations, 419 00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:57,180 when those people are afraid for their physical well-being and their families and say the smartest thing you can do is to let this go, 420 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:02,220 don't ask questions, walk away, when they're afraid, then there's cause for concern. 421 00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:04,560 Who's running this cover-up? 422 00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:06,280 Oh, that's a good question. 423 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,100 I mean, there's incredible power behind what we're seeing here. 424 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:12,280 Somebody's pulling the strings. 425 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,920 Well, you touched on this earlier, Ross, that there's likely more than one program. 426 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,780 So there's likely multiple cover-ups. 427 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:25,820 If there's more than one organization within our government, let alone other governments, 428 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,940 if there are organizations which are controlled not by the government proper but by private industry 429 00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:38,660 that operate at a high level and that recruit and contract legacy assets within the government's programs, 430 00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:46,860 everyone, imagine something more valuable than oil, more valuable than any precious metal, 431 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:52,000 something that could potentially be the most valuable technology in the history of mankind. 432 00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:56,240 How much time and money would they invest in trying to collect that? 433 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:03,040 Okay, then now you have multiple private organizations, multiple government entities, 434 00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:08,840 all of them that may be existing sometimes in cooperation but often not compartmentalized. 435 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080 So you don't just have one cover-up. 436 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:19,220 You have a culture that is inherently invested in making sure that what they're doing is not known 437 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:23,220 because you don't want competition with an industry or foreign adversaries. 438 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:28,780 the default response of multiple entities would be to try to hide everything, deny, deny, deny. 439 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:34,980 Can you think of any good reason why I can accept we perhaps in the public, 440 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960 just like we shouldn't know how to make nuclear weapons, 441 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,640 I can accept there might be technologies that might be quite dangerous from alien technology. 442 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:51,140 But in and of itself, can you think of any good reason why the public can't know that we are not alone? 443 00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:57,540 Well, I'm going to play devil's advocate and say yes, because I have a service background. 444 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,300 Our economy is based on natural resources, oil being a prime example. 445 00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:06,760 It's like hydraulic despotism. 446 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:10,680 The value of an economy is based on your ability to acquire a particular thing. 447 00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:19,360 What if, as some have speculated, technology existed to recruit energy right out of the ambient surrounding environment? 448 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:19,760 Yeah. 449 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,080 You know that it's true, don't you? 450 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,560 Yes. 451 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:22,780 Well, okay. 452 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:24,940 So what do you think of zero-point energy? 453 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:28,920 If you have zero-point energy, what is the basis for the global economy? 454 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,680 Everything of value instantly disappears. 455 00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:36,780 So now you have this war for control of that technology. 456 00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:41,500 So for one thing, it would fundamentally destabilize the economy of the entire world. 457 00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:42,540 That's a thing. 458 00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:44,780 Now, we have nuclear weapons. 459 00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:49,820 Already we have foreign adversaries that have hypersonic weapons, and we're supposedly behind them. 460 00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:50,760 That's not the case. 461 00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:52,460 We all have hypersonic weapons. 462 00:36:53,200 --> 00:37:03,180 Okay, now imagine a weapon that can fire a device so fast you can't even measure it by the standard concept of acceleration of a solid rocket fuel-based weapon. 463 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:13,260 If you could fire, and you talked about my faith, there are people who have very radical views of this world and God who want to wipe their enemies off the face of the earth. 464 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:21,780 Would you want to put a propulsion system in the hands of those people if they could, with the touch of a button, annihilate massive numbers of people? 465 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:29,700 So as I said, there are people, I think, that want to not disclose for reasons that they feel are noble and good. 466 00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:31,100 What do you personally think? 467 00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:32,000 Are we ready? 468 00:37:33,220 --> 00:37:34,940 Yes, because here's the thing. 469 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,000 Even having played devil's advocate and said all that, and I don't know how or if this is edited, but I'll say this. 470 00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:47,060 In the context of everything I just said, you could keep all of that totally protected. 471 00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:54,120 I doubt there's very many people out there who could construct a nuclear bomb, even if they had access to the plans. 472 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,180 But you could also disclose, yes, we've been in communication with non-human intelligence. 473 00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:01,200 Yes, there are multiple species out there. 474 00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:06,560 That fact in and of itself is not going to create doomsday weapons, and it's not going to destabilize the economy. 475 00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,380 It's going to cause the maturing of an entire people. 476 00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:28,100 And maybe we'll get to a point in history where instead of being adversarial, we realize because we're part of a much bigger universe, maybe we need to resolve some of our historical conflicts and start thinking about our place in the universe, not just our place in the world, not our country and our government versus this country and this government. 477 00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:31,540 But how are we as a species being evaluated by other species? 478 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:43,840 All of you gentlemen, you, Jake, Fred, John, all of you have fought wars as patriots for your country for much of the last 30, 40 years. 479 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:54,540 The big message in all of this is that there is a technology that makes that whole idea redundant. 480 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,480 Yes, that's the word I was going to use, but you beat me to it. 481 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,420 Not just redundant, not just counterproductive. 482 00:39:01,540 --> 00:39:03,500 Sadly, many wars are fought for profit. 483 00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:08,040 It's not a good long-term strategy. 484 00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:17,420 Peace and prosperity should be the focus and the goal, and many governments, including my own, seem to have at many levels lost sight of that. 485 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:30,500 And like you said, the disclosure of non-human intelligence, I would like to think that it would make people perhaps take our place in the world more seriously. 486 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:40,500 You know, we exist, we have our popular culture, we have our sports teams, our musicians, people like me that are into politics, and we root for one team versus the other. 487 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:44,980 All of that would be muted somewhat in the context of a greater truth. 488 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:54,680 People of faith would be challenged to look more closely at the faith, not believe what they believe because it's what they're taught when they're young or they've gone through a bad experience in life and had a conversion experience. 489 00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:03,940 But no, we better think very seriously about God, our mortality, our place in the universe, because it's a bigger, more complicated universe than many of us think they know. 490 00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:12,360 Now, there is a splendid anarchy in what Jake is proposing you guys do. 491 00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:14,540 It's called Skywatcher. 492 00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:16,140 Tell me about it. 493 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,180 Well, I think it's unique. 494 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:25,040 I do know there are some other people trying to attempt similar things in the Galileo Projects and other stuff. 495 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,380 There are people trying to collect evidence. 496 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,620 Evidence is exactly what you need, and it can't be imagery. 497 00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:33,020 There is imagery now that we know is true. 498 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:40,400 It's collected by military organizations, and there's demonstrable flight characteristics moving in and out of the atmosphere, in and out of the ocean. 499 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:42,340 Things can't move like that. 500 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,140 But you're doubting Thomas's are going to say, hey, that's probably propaganda. 501 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:48,000 It's misinformation. 502 00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:49,760 It's CGI. 503 00:40:49,760 --> 00:41:04,440 If you get tangible, physical evidence, you can send craft or biologic samples to multiple universities and higher learning institutions, then there's no longer. 504 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,820 You can't doubt it anymore. 505 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,700 People would have to take a hard look at that point at the truth of the subject. 506 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:17,940 You talked earlier about the issues with compartmentalization, meaning that it's very hard to know how big the program is. 507 00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:19,740 Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. 508 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,720 But there's another problem, too, isn't there? 509 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:26,800 Because good science depends on peer review and sharing ideas. 510 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:36,800 And my understanding is that there are materials science breakthroughs that haven't happened because people's secrets are so more part-neutralized. 511 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,920 Unwillingness, yes. 512 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:39,100 Yes. 513 00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:42,800 I mean, the great thing that could happen is... 514 00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:50,320 I mean, I'm so excited by Skywatcher because there was one of the greatest periods in American history was the Apollo moon program, 515 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680 where we said, you know, we will send a man to the moon. 516 00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:53,160 Yes. 517 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,440 And we did. 518 00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:54,920 Mm-hmm. 519 00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,200 The potential behind what Skywatcher can do is incredible. 520 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:03,420 Well, it might force the hand of some of the bad actors. 521 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,840 If you produce physical evidence and technology as a result of that physical evidence, 522 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:17,280 there is physical evidence and technology already in the hands of certain organizations, both public and private. 523 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:25,000 If you produce that evidence, you're kind of forcing them at this point to kind of get in a disclosure arms race. 524 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:28,320 Well, yeah, you know this and you know this, but we know this and this. 525 00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:35,860 So at some point, it would be mutually beneficial for everybody to finally put all their cards on the table. 526 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,840 I think they'll be forced to do so. 527 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,020 I'd be very surprised, Don, if the Russians and the Chinese aren't already trying to do the same thing. 528 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,520 Oh, they are. 529 00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:44,300 Yeah. 530 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:53,580 So as David Grush said to me when I interviewed him in 2023, there is a secret Cold War going on about this technology. 531 00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:54,020 Absolutely. 532 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,020 And again, for good and bad reasons on both sides of the equation. 533 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,760 But Skywatcher, in particular, I like the involvement of Dr. Nolan. 534 00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:02,700 We have psionics. 535 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,640 We have technological assets that most people don't know exist. 536 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,380 The dog whistle. 537 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,440 The ability to contact and collect tangible evidence. 538 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,860 It would be the game changer. 539 00:43:20,860 --> 00:43:24,160 I believe in your interview with Lou, he said it's not an event, it's a process. 540 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,940 We may go from a process to an event. 541 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,140 That is a game changer. 542 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,600 And right now, unfortunately, we're on the precipice, possibly, of World War III. 543 00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:39,580 We have multiple hot spots around the world, which we seem to, as a species, be determined to destroy ourselves. 544 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,200 We probably need a game changer event. 545 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:48,860 We need something to make us stop and reflect and work collectively to a greater good. 546 00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:54,380 I appreciate that some of what you've seen is classified, for good reason. 547 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,900 That's completely cool. 548 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,240 What I'm looking for here is the excitement. 549 00:43:58,740 --> 00:43:59,920 The aha moment. 550 00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:05,860 I'm looking for that moment when you suddenly realized, oh my God, this is real. 551 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,580 Can you give me a sense of that emotion? 552 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:21,240 Well, you think it'd be wonder, but it's more like, I wonder what those who are involved with all of this are going to do with this. 553 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:25,860 Where, I don't know, what's an event you could explain and compare it to? 554 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:27,180 I don't know. 555 00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:29,500 Let's say I'm from the country. 556 00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:30,340 You're a kid. 557 00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:32,660 You get old enough to safely handle a weapon. 558 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,080 Okay? 559 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,280 So you're taught how a pistol and a rifle works, and it's very powerful, and it's an aha moment. 560 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:45,000 And then you think, oh, good Lord, if mishandled, I could kill myself or someone else. 561 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,500 That there is both wonder and weight with knowing versus believing. 562 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,760 I believe in God. 563 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,440 I have no proof. 564 00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:54,560 I choose to believe my particular faith. 565 00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:55,400 I believe in God. 566 00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:08,780 But when you know certain things exist, then you think about what is the weight of this in the hands of humanity, who has done both glorious and wonderful things throughout history and woeful and horrible things. 567 00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:28,160 So the wonder and the aha, yes, but seeing the craft, I'll tell you one thing is when I was briefed in on all of the, when I was read in on all of the differing types of craft, one thing that I did not know based on my personal experiences up to then, I'd had experiences before then. 568 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:50,000 But when exposed, and I don't think I can discuss exactly in detail these classifications, but let's say that some were actual craft, UAP, and others, in my mind, appeared to be more like an actual NHI, like an organism, like it's not, you wouldn't describe it as a ship, more like a well in the ocean. 569 00:45:50,000 --> 00:46:03,120 But these non-human intelligences are able to move about our natural universe, much like we walk around on land and, you know, whales swim in the ocean. 570 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:14,420 But there's another dimension too, literally metaphysically, that some of these entities seem to be trans-dimensional. 571 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,220 They can move in ways that, I mean, like they're there and they're not there. 572 00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:20,240 It's what David Grush said. 573 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,980 Well, yeah, but when you think about a thing that's there and then it's not there, okay, well, where did it go? 574 00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:30,800 Or did it move at such a speed I can't see it because I'm not a scientist. 575 00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:32,900 My mind's like, well, what is that? 576 00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:40,100 Well, when you see the classifications of it, I felt like a long time, do you remember the 1984 movie Ghostbusters? 577 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,520 Sure. 578 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:46,600 When they brought the guy in and hired him, Winston Zedmore, because paranormal activity had increased so much. 579 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,280 She said, first thing she says, do you believe in UFOs? 580 00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:50,400 Goes, yada, yada, yada. 581 00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:54,140 He said, lady, if there's a paycheck in it, believe whatever you want. 582 00:46:54,740 --> 00:46:57,680 And then he goes out and he starts seeing all this stuff. 583 00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:59,960 And then it's just his job. 584 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:05,280 And like every other job, it has some parts that are really cool and other parts that have you worrying and scratching your head. 585 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:20,220 Well, when you see how many different types of UFOs, if you even watch some of the documentaries on the phenomenon, you see a lot of different types of imagery that most of us involved with this know, yeah, that's legit. 586 00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:20,940 That's bogus. 587 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:28,700 Well, disregarding the bogus, there's so much diversity in the legitimate footage that is out there. 588 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,440 I kind of think that's my aha moment. 589 00:47:32,620 --> 00:47:36,700 When I'm not just doing a particular thing, I'm, hey, you show up here at this place. 590 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,620 This is your loadout. 591 00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:38,640 You do this, this, and this. 592 00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:39,140 That's great. 593 00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:49,020 Well, when you're read in fully to just how much is known, how many various types of crafts and beings, I would say, that's what I would refer to NHI as. 594 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:50,540 That's my aha moment. 595 00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:52,320 It's not getting handed the gun. 596 00:47:52,960 --> 00:48:01,160 It's told the details of this is a lot bigger thing than even you who has experienced and seen things on your own. 597 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,080 Buddy, it's bigger than you could even imagine. 598 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:11,680 The overwhelming sense I get from you and all your guys that have stepped forward this show is optimism. 599 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:13,680 This is incredible. 600 00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:14,300 Yes. 601 00:48:14,980 --> 00:48:16,280 Again, I'm a patriot. 602 00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:19,020 I'm a person of faith, and I'm worried for my kids' future. 603 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,680 This is interesting. 604 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,700 I like being interviewed. 605 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,420 None of it's more important to me than my children and their future. 606 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,700 And we're at a very, very dangerous time in history. 607 00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:33,480 You asked me about our government and how our own legislative branch is supposed to have oversight of things. 608 00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:35,060 It's failing. 609 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,620 It's non-existent. 610 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:43,940 When you have the only few people that seem to be read in are those who want to suppress and tell everybody else to shut up, nothing to see here. 611 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,200 Well, that doesn't give me hope for my children's future. 612 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:54,360 Or gives me hope as the people like Jacob who are willing to risk everything and say, yeah, no, not only is it real, I've been involved in it for decades. 613 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,620 It's at great personal risk to his health, his wealth, and his well-being. 614 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,380 It has cost, it could have cost him his life on a number of occasions. 615 00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:03,460 It's cost him his health. 616 00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:08,380 And now he's risking his entire life and livelihood to share this. 617 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:17,280 So I hope all those people that watch this and that they doubt, take into consideration what these men are risking to share this with you. 618 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,760 Why would they do that? 619 00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:22,260 There is a lot to lose. 620 00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:25,600 And the only thing to gain is the betterment of mankind. 621 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:33,400 I would not myself have risked this if not asked to come forward and share this by Jacob. 622 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:42,600 People can't, they don't in their day-to-day lives realize what he's risking, as opposed to a normal asset. 623 00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:44,780 Normal assets are not millionaires. 624 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,480 They don't own multiple businesses. 625 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,280 One of their greatest allies is their anonymity, because if you're a person of means, everybody wants something. 626 00:49:52,280 --> 00:50:00,500 One of Jacob's greatest assets up to now is nobody meets him, thinks that he's a multimillionaire, that he's involved with all these things. 627 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,700 And other things, really interesting eventually. 628 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,100 He's a true renaissance man. 629 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,580 He plays music. 630 00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:08,720 He and I have had our share of bouts combatively. 631 00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:09,720 We do martial arts. 632 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,620 Very interesting dude. 633 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,960 He's got a very prestigious pedigree. 634 00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:17,060 He trained with me in the martial arts way back in the day, in the military and since. 635 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,700 But he's actually trained with world-renowned instructors. 636 00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:23,240 He's given up and risking quite a bit for this. 637 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:37,260 And if it wasn't for knowing his character and why he's doing it, I hope that the persons watching this would realize how much he's risking to share this knowledge. 638 00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:44,660 Now, one of the things I take heart from is that you've emphasized there are good people. 639 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,520 Very good people. 640 00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:49,680 In the military and the intelligence community who do want this story title. 641 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:50,440 Yes. 642 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,380 But there are bad people. 643 00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:53,720 There are malign people. 644 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,120 Yes. 645 00:50:54,580 --> 00:50:55,740 What are they going to try and do? 646 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,100 How do you think they'll respond? 647 00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:59,020 How do they respond to David? 648 00:50:59,540 --> 00:51:01,360 How do they respond to Lou Elizondo? 649 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,040 And because it's compartmentalized, I know some of these people. 650 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,160 I don't know a bunch of them. 651 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,340 So I have to do the same thing that your viewers will do. 652 00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,460 Well, is this person legit or are they full? 653 00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:13,120 It's hard to tell. 654 00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:16,040 I do know this, though. 655 00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:25,880 Those who are, all of those who are disclosing, the knee-jerk reaction is to discredit their mental health, to call them a liar. 656 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:33,400 I believe a high-level military official came out later and said, no, well, Elizondo was in charge of exactly what he said he was in charge of. 657 00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:35,640 You can believe what you want about everything else he says. 658 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,000 That was his position. 659 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,380 He did do that job. 660 00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:42,760 Well, these people are risking so much when they do this. 661 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:57,920 I think that that's the epitome of evil when you have members of your own community, your own military, your own government, your own private organization that are attacking you, engaging in character assassination, potentially having people killed. 662 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,620 That's a horrible state of affairs. 663 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,720 This isn't just a story about UFOs, is it? 664 00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:05,400 No, about human nature. 665 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:08,260 But it's also a story about restoring American democracy. 666 00:52:08,260 --> 00:52:19,580 Oh, you'd ask me about that, and that's very true, because I'm going to look at another historical event, the assassination of Kennedy. 667 00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:24,600 Okay, everyone knows that there are things which are not being disclosed. 668 00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:26,360 Let's use that as a metaphor for this. 669 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,000 Why? 670 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,700 Everyone involved is dead. 671 00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:31,900 You're not exposing anyone to individual harm. 672 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,720 Why are you still refusing? 673 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:46,080 Because if you don't tell the truth, if you're intentionally beholding that from the American people, you're talking potentially about killing a duly elected president for some nefarious reasons, then democracy does not exist. 674 00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:57,320 If you can just say, no, you're not allowed to know the truth of why this president and how this president died after all these years, why that's not been disclosed. 675 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,580 Now, we're not talking about humanity changing a bit. 676 00:52:59,620 --> 00:53:02,020 We're talking about the assassination of a president. 677 00:53:02,020 --> 00:53:05,300 Okay, why is that not being disclosed? 678 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960 An absence of complete transparency with the American citizens? 679 00:53:09,340 --> 00:53:09,720 No. 680 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:14,900 I believe the quote from one of the founding fathers is, you have a republic if you can keep it. 681 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:22,640 Well, now, if we don't disclose, and I'm going to go off on a tangent here, yes, we need to disclose about UAPs and NHIs. 682 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,340 We need to tell the truth about what happened to that president. 683 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,840 There are many things which are undisclosed, which need to be disclosed. 684 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:35,160 Or America's citizenry, it's not like we're losing confidence in our government. 685 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,800 We have no confidence in our government. 686 00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:42,820 And that's, I have friends who are hardcore conservatives and Republicans, friends who are hardcore Democrats and liberals. 687 00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:54,300 One of the few things everyone agrees with is that we're not getting the full story from our government, and our government's not always acting in our best interest. 688 00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:15,500 Unbiased and fact-driven news coverage.