1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,340 G'day and welcome back to Reality Check and as we promised you we're bringing you the full-length 2 00:00:12,340 --> 00:00:19,460 interviews with all of the interviewees in our special investigation into UAP crash retrievals 3 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:25,740 and one of the three men who strongly backed the credibility of our primary interviewee 4 00:00:25,740 --> 00:00:34,180 Jake Barber in the story was Fred Baker and Fred Baker is a highly experienced former tier one 5 00:00:34,180 --> 00:00:41,000 operator who showed great courage to step up to back the credibility of our primary interviewee 6 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:49,180 Jake Barber. Fred is a legend in the U.S. Air Force combat control and special operations community. 7 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:58,420 He served with distinction in the U.S. Air Force's 24th Special Tactics Squadron that's the 24th STS 8 00:00:58,420 --> 00:01:04,860 which is like the U.S. Air Force Special Forces it's one of the elite tier one units in the U.S. Air Force 9 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:13,400 Special Operations. He retired as a Master Sergeant with 20 years in combat control. Combat controllers 10 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:20,740 are special tactics operators who specialize in air ground communication including air traffic control, 11 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:30,000 fire support and command control and communications including in covert operations. It's a measure of 12 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:36,160 how desperate some in the intelligence community are that in the wake of our UAP crash retrieval 13 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:45,200 investigation. They actually tried to denigrate a veteran of the caliber of Fred Baker. This is a man 14 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:54,960 who served his country with distinction. He has multiple bronze stars. In fact he's earned the bronze star 15 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:05,380 with valor. He has four of them, four oak leaf clusters. That's a big deal. He's earned multiple other 16 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:12,180 commendations and awards including a navy presidential unit citation with one oak leaf cluster. 17 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:19,380 And it's a measure of just how desperate and frantic the legacy program cover-up is right now 18 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:25,620 that the bad apples in defense and intelligence are calling upon their shills in social media 19 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:32,820 to attack a legend like Fred. It will backfire because the tier one community 20 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:41,060 is angry at how their comrades are being treated for telling the truth. Here's Fred Baker's story of 21 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:46,820 his work with Jake Barber. Fred, can you tell me within the constraints of what you're allowed to 22 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:54,820 tell me, what's the story of your service? I joined in 2000 in the United States Air Force and went into 23 00:02:54,820 --> 00:03:00,660 the combat control pipeline and spent you know the majority of my, actually the entirety of my career 24 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:07,620 in special warfare. And you're a fairly well-known character in the social media community. You're a 25 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:15,220 very prominent commentator on special operations and you refer often to the unit which I take to mean 26 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:19,060 Delta Force. Are you able to talk about the fact that you were a Delta Force operator? 27 00:03:19,060 --> 00:03:26,260 I was not. I was strictly in the Air Force, although where I was we worked quite often with the Army and 28 00:03:26,260 --> 00:03:31,060 the Navy as well. Right, okay. And I think I know the name of the unit, the U.S. Air Force unit you're 29 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:36,900 talking about, but essentially it was a top special operations unit in the U.S. Air Force. Correct, yes. 30 00:03:38,020 --> 00:03:42,900 I understand also your family has quite an illustrious history in the U.S. military. Can you tell 31 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:50,420 me a bit about that? Quite a bit. Fighters and farmers, since the Revolutionary War. First Christopher 32 00:03:50,420 --> 00:03:57,860 Baker came over, was an indentured servant, was forced into the British Army, did not like them, 33 00:03:57,860 --> 00:04:05,220 deserted, and went to the American side and fought for the Americans under George Washington. And then 34 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:10,660 ever since we have fought in every major conflict in the United States. So you're obviously very proud of 35 00:04:10,660 --> 00:04:17,620 your service? Yeah, absolutely. I really like this country, so I appreciate that my lineage fought 36 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:26,740 for it. You've obviously left the military. When did you leave the military? In 2001. I'm sorry, in 2021. 37 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:33,380 2021. Correct, yeah. And since then you've been working largely with Jake? There was a stint there where 38 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:38,740 I was trying to go back into the normal world and took a normal job and it just didn't work out. 39 00:04:38,740 --> 00:04:48,420 I didn't like that atmosphere coming from where I was. And it just so happened that when I was 40 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:55,300 realizing this, that a phone call happened. And that's when I took a risk, took a leap of faith and 41 00:04:55,860 --> 00:05:03,300 met Jake. So Jake recruits people like yourself from the elite of special operations for the work that 42 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:10,020 he's been doing. Were you surprised at the work that you were being asked to do when you started 43 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:18,580 working with him? That's interesting. I would say, yeah, surprised. But at the same time, you kind of 44 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:23,860 knew that this kind of stuff was going on. We try to rationalize it. There's no way. Not within our 45 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:29,700 country. There's no way. But then you hear stories, especially in 2021. There's a lot of stuff coming out 46 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:34,180 then. I was like, that would be pretty cool if it did, though. You know, that'd make a good movie. 47 00:05:34,180 --> 00:05:40,180 And then and then it actually is. It was super interesting. Was there an aha moment for you when 48 00:05:40,180 --> 00:05:46,260 you went, oh, my God, this is real? I don't know. I think I'm still in that aha. I'm in the age part of 49 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:52,180 the aha portion of it. And hopefully it'll get rounded out and we'll have a good answer. But what do you say 50 00:05:52,180 --> 00:05:58,900 to people watching this, Fred, who are very skeptical and who might be thinking, there's no way you can 51 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:05,460 keep a secret like this? Secrets leak. Politicians blab. Everything leaks in the end. But this has been 52 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:10,820 kept very well, this secret, hasn't it? It has. I ask how many secrets individual people have that 53 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:18,180 nobody knows about. It's very interesting what you can do in the realm of national security and 54 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:23,540 patriotism and how far people will go to protect that and protect this institution, knowing that 55 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:30,180 they're doing the right thing. So when he contacted you and asked you to come and work with him and his 56 00:06:30,180 --> 00:06:40,180 team, was it a shock what you were being asked to do? It was, but it was a shock, but also because it 57 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:48,420 was what I was asking for. Leaving the special operations community like that feels like you're 58 00:06:48,420 --> 00:06:58,180 kind of dumping a gift off. You spent a large amount of your time being trained to do this certain level 59 00:06:58,180 --> 00:07:04,580 of things and then all of a sudden it's no longer needed. I feel like there are still work out there 60 00:07:04,580 --> 00:07:10,740 to be done that need people like us. And that gift, I wouldn't say it's getting wasted, but it's 61 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:18,180 just not, it's getting shelved. So I'm very happy that it happened. Surprised, yes. But it felt like 62 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:22,820 all the childhood dreams were coming together. What do you say to people who might be saying, 63 00:07:22,820 --> 00:07:27,940 watching this, there is no way this can be kept secret. This can't possibly be true because it's just 64 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:39,220 so crazy. UFOs, retrieved craft. It sounds insane. Maybe, maybe it sounds insane. I've never had that 65 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:45,620 moment. I'm very open. I'm very, very aware that I don't know everything. I think it's safe to say 66 00:07:45,620 --> 00:07:53,220 that we don't know everything. Humans are really good at one thing and that's debunking ourselves. 67 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:59,940 We think we have something solved and then years later we figure out that was it and that was not 68 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:04,740 correct. That was completely wrong. Had you ever seen anything anomalous during your time in the 69 00:08:04,740 --> 00:08:12,580 military? Yes, I have. Just one that I can remember. Not associated with anything, but being in Afghanistan, 70 00:08:12,580 --> 00:08:16,820 you know, it's super dark out there. Guys talked about being able to see satellites. Like, oh, cool. 71 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:22,740 And just one night coming off security, I looked up and I saw, oh, it's a satellite. It was not flashing. 72 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:26,580 It was steady movement. I was like, cool. I've never seen a satellite in my life. 73 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:32,180 And then it just stopped. And then I did a half circle and then it just shot off. 74 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:37,860 And I had no idea what I just saw and I didn't tell anybody until a couple days later where the 75 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:43,780 guy that relieved me was on his night vision and we were sitting in the campfire and he started 76 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:49,700 talking about this thing that he saw and I said, I saw the same thing. So very happy that I wasn't 77 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:55,220 losing my mind and he saw the same thing. But that was my first and probably my prominent experience 78 00:08:55,220 --> 00:09:00,180 when I was in. I saw some other things that I don't really believe were alien, if you will. 79 00:09:01,220 --> 00:09:07,300 One of the things that I think a lot of people will have trouble believing about Jake Barber's claims 80 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:17,220 isn't the fact of a retrieval program, but the concept of people being able to psychically, 81 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:26,420 psionically engage with technology. Have you seen that kind of psionic engagement with craft? 82 00:09:26,420 --> 00:09:35,300 I believe that I have, yes. What did you say? So we did conduct an operation that we're using 83 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:42,900 those assets, human assets, conducting an experience to see if what they were claiming was true. 84 00:09:44,660 --> 00:09:51,700 And we were able to get pretty close to a 90% solution that this can be done. 85 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:58,340 And just too many coincidences. What would you say to the debunkers who would say 86 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:02,100 you're clearly letting your eyes play tricks with you? Come on out. 87 00:10:03,940 --> 00:10:11,140 Come on out. We'll show you. I mean, I am dead serious. I'm not, I am a very open individual. 88 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:15,620 I like that. I don't know everything. I like learning new things all the time. 89 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:23,700 But with my job, I'm very intimate with all of our aircrafts that exist that we know of. 90 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:29,540 This was nothing in comparison. And on top of that, I got an extra little bonus 91 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:33,780 of something that I didn't actually see, but it recorded very exciting. 92 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:40,740 I actually suspect a lot of people are ready for the idea that there is a non-human intelligence. 93 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:47,780 Let me ask you that question. Seeing what you've seen, do you believe or do you know that there is 94 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:50,420 a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet? 95 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:57,860 Well, I don't know for sure. I think it's healthy to have a bit of skepticism there to not lead you 96 00:10:57,860 --> 00:11:04,420 down this, you know, fairytale path, if you will, if there is such a thing. But there's absolutely 97 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:10,980 something going on that we're unaware of. And when you do interact with these things, they play with 98 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:18,580 you or they show you, do a showcase or air show or whatever. They are interacting with us. 99 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:24,260 So let's go through the other objects that you've seen. Have you seen triangles? 100 00:11:24,260 --> 00:11:24,900 Yes. 101 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:25,540 What have you seen? 102 00:11:25,540 --> 00:11:34,260 So I was working with a friend of ours now, an asset, psionic acid. And he asked me to come out. 103 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:36,980 I've never done anything like this before. He met me. 104 00:11:36,980 --> 00:11:40,180 So this is outside of work? It's not a military related thing? 105 00:11:40,180 --> 00:11:46,820 No, no, no. We were both out of the military at the time. This is shortly after I met Jake. And he 106 00:11:46,820 --> 00:11:53,220 recognized me from Instagram at this other thing. And he's like, hey, come on out if you want to see 107 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:57,940 this. So I'm like, okay. Of course, I had to convince the wife that, hey, I'm going to go do this 108 00:11:58,580 --> 00:12:03,380 weird thing, you know, all night. I won't be home. That was the hardest part. 109 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:11,460 And then so we went out there and he's walking me through how to be able to summon them. And 110 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:17,780 and again, it's going through that. It sounds okay. This is getting kind of weird, but at the same 111 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:22,420 time, very open. Let's try it, whatever. And he's explaining how to do this. And I'm like, yeah, 112 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:29,060 I'm not going to, I'm going to mess this up. There's no way. Very, very positive emotions, 113 00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:34,820 very loving emotions. So you're projecting love to whatever the, that's the way he explains it. 114 00:12:34,820 --> 00:12:39,140 Correct. Yeah. Or that's his method of how he does it. I mean, forgive me if I, if I indulge this 115 00:12:39,140 --> 00:12:43,860 a little bit, but I mean, you're a special operations soldier by training, you know, special 116 00:12:43,860 --> 00:12:50,420 operations soldiers don't generally talk about projecting love. It's quite cool. Yeah, it was very, 117 00:12:50,420 --> 00:12:53,700 again, I thought I was going to mess this up. I thought I was going to fail the whole thing. 118 00:12:55,380 --> 00:13:01,060 I haven't, I haven't tapped on that side of me for a very long time. So I thought for sure, like, 119 00:13:01,060 --> 00:13:05,700 yeah, this is just going to be a waste of time. But yeah, that's who he asked. And it's like, 120 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:11,460 all right, look, well, I'll try it. You know, I'll, I'll try it. And very glad I did. It was, 121 00:13:11,460 --> 00:13:16,180 he also mentions that they, it's very different for everyone, obviously, but they give you what 122 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:24,740 they think you need. So I was a very impatient person. Uh, I can be patient when the mission 123 00:13:24,740 --> 00:13:28,420 dictates it or whatever, but most part, I'm just really like, let's, let's do this, let's do this. 124 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:31,380 And all night, it would just keep me waiting. And then something would show up 125 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:36,100 and it would pick me up and pick my interest. What was that? And then hours go by again, 126 00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:42,100 and then something pop up like, what is that? And it kept doing that all night until the very end 127 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:48,020 when this triangle showed up. And that was only part of it. That was definitely the grand show. 128 00:13:48,020 --> 00:13:54,260 But what did you say? So I had just witnessed something that was unbelievable to me. And I 129 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:58,340 turned to talk to my friend. I was like, that was unreal. What did you say? What was it? 130 00:13:58,340 --> 00:14:05,380 So the very, uh, the beginning of the show, if you will, uh, this thing popped up way out in the 131 00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:11,620 atmosphere and it started to fall. And it felt like if you'd imagine putting a pebble, a really 132 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:15,460 small pebble in the water, and it just kind of flutters down. That's what it was doing. Just 133 00:14:15,460 --> 00:14:21,460 fluttering down. And as it got closer and closer, it get brighter and brighter. And when it hit the, 134 00:14:21,460 --> 00:14:25,620 the very bottom of its movement, it was the brightest thing out there. Just imagine 135 00:14:25,620 --> 00:14:33,620 brighter than any star you've seen out there just lit up. It did that for, you know, a millisecond, 136 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:37,380 and then it dimmed back down. And it did the same movement all the way back up into the atmosphere. 137 00:14:37,380 --> 00:14:41,140 So clearly operating under some kind of intelligent control. 138 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:45,300 Right. It did that three times. And, uh, 139 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:50,500 That is pretty incredible. My jaw was on the ground. And the, the whole, I'm saying this out loud now, 140 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:57,860 to my, to all of us, like, how do you fake this? Because I couldn't believe it. I said, how do you 141 00:14:57,860 --> 00:15:05,140 fake that? There's no UAV or, or anything that does it. There's no light array. How do you, the whole 142 00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:09,540 time, I'm just saying out loud, how do you fake this? How do you fake this? I couldn't believe it. 143 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:14,500 And that's when I turned around to him. I was like, I don't understand. Like, how do you, and he's like, I told you, bro. 144 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:20,660 This is, this is what it is. And then he's talking to me and then he stops. He said, oh my God, 145 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:26,980 it's the mothership. He said he's only seen it two other times. And I turned around and that's when 146 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:33,780 this massive triangle was in the sky. And please don't ask me to figure out how big it was or how 147 00:15:33,780 --> 00:15:41,300 far away it was. It was just, uh, it was huge. Like hundreds of feet? For sure. Probably more. 148 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:48,980 It was football field size? Bigger. Multiple football fields? For sure. Wow. How far away? 149 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:56,660 I couldn't tell you. Uh, I was so, I had already been shocked and all with this one little thing. 150 00:15:57,380 --> 00:16:01,540 And then now they presented this massive thing with other little things going on as well. 151 00:16:01,540 --> 00:16:09,220 Like what? So the triangle itself, it was moving, uh, it was moving west to east very slowly. 152 00:16:09,220 --> 00:16:16,180 The lead point of the triangle was very bright with the two ends, uh, dimmer. 153 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:19,860 So there are lights. Correct. There are lights on the, on each of the points. 154 00:16:19,860 --> 00:16:26,500 Uh, do they glow? No, they're, they remain the same, uh, the same brightness the whole time. 155 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:32,900 Uh, they were, they were white with a little hint of orange in there, but mostly white. 156 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:36,500 Is there a light in the middle? Sometimes on the triangle, there's a light in the middle. 157 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:43,460 No, there was nothing in the middle. Noise? No noise. It had, uh, it had little minions, 158 00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:48,820 if you will, flying all around it. Orbs? Yep. Orbs. It would have been the same orbs 159 00:16:49,380 --> 00:16:53,060 you know, that we see all night that just kind of float around the sky. Sometimes they pull, 160 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:57,780 sometimes they just remain the same and move. Same ones, but now they're spiraling around this thing. 161 00:16:57,780 --> 00:17:03,780 So I'm really interested to ask, did you at that moment, obviously I think I would have had a feeling 162 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:10,580 of awe, but did you have a sense of some kind of psychological contact, psychic contact with the object? 163 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:18,420 I mean, I, I don't know because I was so paralyzed with what I was seeing. I just could not, again, 164 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:22,900 saying out loud, how do you fake this? I could not comprehend what I was seeing. 165 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:29,540 It was a solid object? Yes. Okay. Let's think of the skeptical debunker arguments. Could it have 166 00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:36,500 been some kind of temperature inversion in the air? Was it a cold night? It was a cold night. Yeah, it was. 167 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:41,700 So was it a clear night? Could you? It was absolutely clear, yes. So is it, is it possible that what you 168 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:48,580 were seeing was some kind of optical illusion? If it was, we were sharing it. There were two of us that shared 169 00:17:48,580 --> 00:17:54,980 that optical illusion. Your colleague, the psionic assist, had told you that it was coming? Yes. 170 00:17:56,020 --> 00:18:01,860 Throughout the night, he said, this is a good sign. Everything that we saw like this is a good sign. 171 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:10,900 It's going to be a big night. So as we know, and as Jake has disclosed, this is what has been happening 172 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:18,660 secretly in various secure installations around the United States for apparently quite a long time. 173 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:28,580 I find it sad that the knowledge of this has been kept from humanity. It's beautiful. I mean, I don't 174 00:18:28,580 --> 00:18:34,180 want to sound like a hippie or something, but it's fantastic. The idea that it's possible to psychically 175 00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:42,260 connect with an intelligent entity of some kind. Correct. And I think it's going to lead, 176 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:47,700 maybe potentially we haven't talked about, maybe it leads us back to the way we were when we were in 177 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:52,740 touch with ourselves. Well, let's talk about that. I mean, do you think, I mean, I think for Jake, 178 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:59,300 if I can speak for him, it's clearly been quite spiritual. It's been a transformation of awareness. 179 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:04,340 Has it been the same for you? Yes, there have been a lot of moments like that where I, 180 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:12,580 where I've been on my hands and knees begging for help. And then it happens. It shows itself. 181 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:16,420 And it's just confirmation. It's telling you, you know, I'm not going to give you the answer, 182 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:24,100 but we're here. Or maybe it's telling me that you can do it. You can get it. What would you say? I mean, 183 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:29,460 one of the criticisms that's being made is that there are people in various arms of the military 184 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:34,740 who believe that this is demonic, that it's evil. I really don't know, but I've had that conversation 185 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:41,380 with a friend who is spiritual, religious. I was speaking to him about, I'm sure we'll get to it 186 00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:47,860 later, but things that I was seeing in my sleep or having visions or whatever it is. And they were 187 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:51,940 telling me that those are demons. You got to stop. You got to stop. Because I'm telling them, 188 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:57,060 I don't know what to do with this. And like, you have to stop that. Now, with me personally, 189 00:19:57,060 --> 00:20:02,580 I'm having this battle of, you know, are they benevolent? Are they benevolent? I don't know. 190 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:10,260 Or are they indifferent? I couldn't tell you, but there is definitely a positive sense there for 191 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:15,220 the most part with them. When you interact, when you get that, you get that interaction, 192 00:20:15,220 --> 00:20:21,700 you get that verification, there's not a sense of dread. It's very much a, this is the answer 193 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:27,060 for us. Which begs the question, is there something that you think perhaps humanity has 194 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:32,740 lost in our technological civilization that means that it's been hard for us to learn how to connect 195 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:39,300 in that way? Absolutely. I mean, we have things to communicate with each other, as basic as written 196 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:46,340 language all the way to technology. Now I can send a photo across the universe. For lack of a better term, 197 00:20:46,340 --> 00:20:52,580 makes us lazy. You know, we don't exercise that specific muscle for long enough, it becomes useless. 198 00:20:54,420 --> 00:21:00,500 If we don't use our consciousness and our mind in that capacity for God knows how long, 199 00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:04,660 who's to say that we've lost those skills, but they could still be there. 200 00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:07,300 What do you think about the fact that this is being kept so secret? 201 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:12,020 I mean, it would make life a lot easier, right? We wouldn't be very dependent on much 202 00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:19,540 when it comes to what we are now. But is it a good thing that the public doesn't know about this? 203 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:24,500 I think people have a right to know that we're not alone. Yeah, I think they have a right to know, 204 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:31,860 then they have the option. They can choose to venture on that or just completely ignore it or 205 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:37,220 whatever, but it's still our choice. Like we should have the option of whether I want to pursue this or not. 206 00:21:38,020 --> 00:21:44,340 So let's go to one of the stories that Jake's told us. Jake Barber has told us how 207 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:55,780 he was advised that there were high value targets, Panasonic tough books containing highly sensitive 208 00:21:55,780 --> 00:22:04,820 information which had been stolen from the program. There was an order out to recover them at all costs. 209 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:08,580 Were you involved in part of that operation? 210 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:09,300 Otherwise, yes. 211 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:14,820 What were you involved in? What was the part of the operation that you were involved in? 212 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:19,620 More specifically, excuse me, more specifically to what you just said, to recover those assets. 213 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:26,260 So there was an operation where very high up in the Sierras, two hard drives were recovered. 214 00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:30,180 Were you part of that recovery operation where one was found in the bottom of a lake? 215 00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:36,740 Uh, no, I was, I did recover two assets, but a different location, yeah. 216 00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:43,700 Right. But obviously without going into detail, and Jake doesn't want us to go into the detail of 217 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:51,540 what ensued, but it was a dangerous operation. Um, there was concern, wasn't there, that perhaps 218 00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:54,580 you guys have been compromised in some way? 219 00:22:55,780 --> 00:22:59,940 Yeah, there were, there were things adding up that did not make sense. 220 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:00,580 Were you worried? 221 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:10,580 Not as much as Jake was, uh, but that's due to ignorance. If, once I, once I saw that he was concerned, 222 00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:18,020 uh, then yes, absolutely. It's always a very difficult thing for any whistleblower to come 223 00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:22,820 forward to speak about things that are highly sensitive. But can I ask you this? Do you think 224 00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:27,620 Jake Barber is a patriot? Oh yeah, absolutely. Do you think he loves his country? For sure. 225 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:32,100 And do you think his motives are pure for why he's speaking publicly? Yes, absolutely. 226 00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:38,500 There's a thing I, I know a lot of special operators talk about that, you know, there are certain 227 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:43,860 types of men who you would want watching your back in a tight spot. Is he one of those guys? 228 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:50,180 Absolutely. Trustworthiness is one of the top things that, uh, we're looking for. In fact, 229 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:58,180 we would take a mediocre performer with high level trust over individual has no trust but is a top 230 00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:08,180 performer. He's a credible person, authentic. Correct, yes. So, a decision was made by Jake 231 00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:14,020 that he wanted to go to, and we're not naming the private aerospace company involved, 232 00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:22,020 but he wanted to go to the private aerospace company's director of security for whom this 233 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:28,660 operation had been done to recover these Panasonic Toughbooks. Were you part of that operation where 234 00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:31,860 the meeting took place? I was, yeah. What was your role? 235 00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:41,060 My role was to, uh, locate the individual, uh, to confirm his location, excuse me, to confirm their 236 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:50,340 location and, uh, build up a package for us to pursue them and eventually meet them. 237 00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:55,620 So, you can verify basically, and that's all we're trying to do here. You can verify that that meeting 238 00:24:55,620 --> 00:25:03,940 took place. Correct. Are you satisfied that there is still a, an open question about who was 239 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:08,260 responsible for what happened? That, I mean, let's, let's call it a dangerous incident? 240 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:15,220 I believe there, I don't know if we'll ever get that answer, so yes, it's still open. Yeah. I mean, 241 00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:24,180 it's legitimate though to be concerned that the safety of Jake and his team was in question as a 242 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:32,340 result of what had happened. Yeah, it's, it's pretty unsettling that it can get that far that someone 243 00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:39,220 can ask you to do something just for the mere fact of setting you up for something else. So you feel 244 00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:46,260 you guys were set up as well? It seems to look like that way. There, there is, again, a lot of coincidences. 245 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:52,180 Do you think it's possible somebody wanted you guys dead because you knew too much? I don't know 246 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:58,980 that. I can't confirm that. So you were also part of an operation where, as Jake has described it, the 247 00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:05,940 question was, has a whistleblower that's got these tough books gone to the disclosure advocate on UAPs, 248 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:13,060 Dr. Steven Greer. What was your role in that operation? Just merely transferring information to 249 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:19,540 to and from. Right. So you met Dr. Greer and conveyed information to him? I did, yes. Right. 250 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:23,300 And can you tell me what happened on your return from that exchange of information? 251 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:28,900 Yeah. So it was interesting. So this is a simple drop off, you know, here you go. Nice to meet you. 252 00:26:29,620 --> 00:26:34,900 Be on our way. But he actually took an interest in me. I don't know if it was me specifically, but 253 00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:39,220 potentially Jake and our group, and he just wanted to pry a little bit, but he, 254 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:44,420 he, uh, asked me some questions and we had a little bit of a conversation and went our separate ways. 255 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:49,460 And, uh, I drove straight home and there was about six hour drive or so. 256 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:56,180 Um, and when I got home, everyone's in bed and, and obviously I'm tired, but I was not exhausted. I had 257 00:26:56,180 --> 00:27:01,620 enough energy left to get something to eat real quick, get a shower, get to bed. And 258 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:09,780 as soon as I laid down, I, as soon as I laid down and closed my eyes, I was in something. 259 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:19,220 It was, it was very interesting because I was still very aware of my surroundings. I could hear 260 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:25,620 the fan going. Uh, my wife's sound machine was going. I could, I knew that I was in this moment. 261 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:32,580 I was not asleep off in dreamland. And I was immediately as soon as I closed my eyes, I was in 262 00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:38,100 this thing and it very much, it was black and white. It looked like if you were running a hundred miles 263 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:43,380 an hour through the woods, just black and white branches going all over the place. And I could 264 00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:49,460 feel that I was there and I was very excited, but somewhat confused. And then all of a sudden 265 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:59,380 this white circle, uh, showed and it just started opening very bright white. And it felt like I was 266 00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:06,340 pushing through something and I was getting really excited. And then when I came through, 267 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:16,020 I saw this little boy that was in like 1920s, 1930s garb, the, the, the coat, all wool coat with the, 268 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:22,100 the vest and tie. He had the wool shorts. He had the, the ankle high boots on, had that floppy cap on. 269 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:26,420 I'm like, Oh, this is cool. This is really awesome. And he's, he's looking right at me. 270 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:35,060 And I actually focus on his face and he's terrified of you, which terrified me. And I could see the 271 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:39,940 background. It's a, it's a dirt road with the street corner, like a T intersection. 272 00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:45,380 So this isn't a dream. No, I was there. It's real. I was absolutely terrified. 273 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:50,660 Have you ever heard of the term remote viewing? I have. Yes. Have you remote viewed? 274 00:28:51,540 --> 00:28:58,740 Not that I know of. I'd like to have an answer on that thing, but, uh, no, I, I, I haven't 275 00:28:59,620 --> 00:29:04,500 officially tried. No. So it raises the question. What was it about your meeting with Dr. Steven Greer 276 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:10,260 that prompted that experience? Was there a, was there a correlation or causation? I didn't, 277 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:15,700 I didn't correlate any of that. Uh, I just had this thing happen to me. And then the next morning, 278 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:21,780 I'm trying to try to reason with it. And I, and I just, you know, brought it up to Jake, 279 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:28,020 texted him about it and said, do these two, would these two come together at some point? Like I, 280 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:31,060 there are two separate incidences, but I feel like there's something going on there. 281 00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:39,540 Now, I understand you're part of the Skywatcher team that's going to try to provide the service 282 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:46,180 that's being done secretly in the military in private enterprise. Correct. Yeah. Are you excited 283 00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:51,700 about that? Always. It's always exciting. It's always something different, but yes. From what you've 284 00:29:51,700 --> 00:30:01,060 seen, will it work? It seems so. We've had, we had some pretty good luck, if you will, so far. But, uh, 285 00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:06,260 uh, interesting enough, it seems that a lot of these things that people are talking about is true. 286 00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:14,900 The implications of what you're saying though, Freda, absolutely mind-blowing. Good. Good. Let's do it. 287 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:21,300 Let's rattle this thing up. Get us out of this, uh, you know, day-to-day mundane stuff and let's get 288 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:27,620 to the next level. And you think that's what we can do by doing this? Seems like we can. Do you know, 289 00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:34,100 it's funny, there have apparently been some people who've done the wrong thing, some bad apples along 290 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:41,540 the way in the course of keeping this incredible secret that we're not alone. But the thing I find 291 00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:50,820 is perhaps the biggest secret is the most exciting one. That it's possible for all humans potentially 292 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:57,460 to do this, but we can all learn how to do this. And it's fascinating to see how touched you are 293 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,460 and Jake is by what is obviously quite a spiritual experience. 294 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:10,100 It's very exciting. It's, it's, it's something that will change us for sure, uh, for the inevitable 295 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:17,220 future and probably in the right direction to get us away from, uh, starvation and war and need for this 296 00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:21,860 and need for that. But we're getting back on alignment to what our, maybe what our two purposes. 297 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:25,700 I mean, tell me if I'm taking this too far, but I mean, you're a warrior, you're a trained warrior. 298 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:29,860 You're an absolutely elite soldier at the top of the American military in your time. 299 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:39,940 There's a message here and it's fascinating because to hear a, a warrior talking about love 300 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:44,420 being the way that you communicate with these objects is just mind blowing. 301 00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:51,540 It took me a long time to realize it, but we shouldn't be fighting wars for the fact that we hate, 302 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:58,180 uh, a specific group of people, even if they're evil. It should be out of respect and love of what's 303 00:31:58,180 --> 00:32:06,820 behind us. So, you know, having experienced both as a, as a kid, basically knowing that I, I hated these 304 00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:12,820 evil individuals and we needed to kill them. That didn't set me on the right path. And it took me 305 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:19,460 too long to realize I, I shouldn't be doing this out of hate. I should be doing this out of the fact 306 00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:26,820 that I love these people, these innocent folks. And, and yes, evil shows us ugly head, but we can take 307 00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:33,540 care of that and continue back on our true purposes. You've got kids. I do. What's your hope knowing what 308 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:38,580 you know now about this phenomenon? What's the hope that you have for your kids? This is 309 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:44,900 probably one of my top purposes is for them. I want to give them a better life. Who, who parent, 310 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:49,940 what parent doesn't want the better life for our kids. And right now all I'm seeing is the same. 311 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:54,660 I'm going to give them the same life that I had, potentially going to war, having to pay rent, 312 00:32:56,020 --> 00:33:01,460 whatever it is, it's the same, same thing. So you told me that your family has a very proud history, 313 00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:08,020 right back to the revolutionary war in fighting as warriors for America. Is it your dream that 314 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:14,340 your child might be able to do this engagement with the phenomenon in a loving and peaceful way 315 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:20,900 and maybe break that mold? Absolutely. I don't want my kids end up where I, where I've landed. 316 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:26,900 And now I'm fighting another battle to get back to, you know, my humanity. Why have that? 317 00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:33,060 Why is that a necessary thing? Let's just give them the humanity that they should always have. 318 00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:41,860 Final question. I'm sure there are still people watching this going, these guys have all gone crazy. 319 00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:48,900 You know, he may be an elite soldier, but clearly he's nuts. This can't possibly be real. 320 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:58,260 What do you say to those people? I have to think about that one. 321 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:10,100 I don't think it's very far-fetched to, I mean, it's the, the movies that we all love to watch and the 322 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:16,580 books we all love to read is that happy ending where everyone is coming together, where everyone 323 00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:24,180 realizes that love is the way. And most of our religions are based on that and finding our center 324 00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:31,140 and finding a better world for us. Why is that crazy to think about? 325 00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:36,900 So there really can be a happy ending? Absolutely. And there should be. We deserve that. 326 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:46,100 Thanks for watching. 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