1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,560 now we have a video presentation as anybody won't see what the weirdness of the fires out in Hawaii 2 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,280 strangeness in terms of how fires operate normally and then how they happen there or 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,360 things that were happening in California a while back we've got a presentation if you guys are 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:32,920 ready by Robert Brame if the houses burn but the trees do not is it really a forest fire stay in 5 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:39,040 your seats watch this and we'll be right back afterwards welcome everybody my name is Robert 6 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:47,220 I'm a forensic arborist and I've studied the plant kingdom for 48 years generally in central 7 00:00:47,220 --> 00:00:55,860 California from sea level to 14,000 feet I've studied the trees ferns shrubs vines and all the 8 00:00:55,860 --> 00:01:01,760 wildflowers this is something I've done for a long time I've also summited over 130 mountains 9 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:08,940 and I cook on the campfire for all these years that's it's more fun to have a fire around so I 10 00:01:08,940 --> 00:01:15,000 burned pretty much all the different types of trees throughout the state and what I saw about seven 11 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:23,700 years ago on the internet was a picture of Santa Rosa I was designing a hike up there and I saw this 12 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:30,660 picture from the air that didn't make any sense to me I have a background in knowing all the trees in 13 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:37,580 the entire state of California and seeing plenty of fire aftermath and I'd never seen anything like 14 00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:43,680 this where the houses are missing and turn to white ash yet the trees are still there the last seven 15 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:51,500 years this is all I've been studying and I'm going to share all these photographs so everybody can get 16 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:59,320 up to speed on what I see and discover what's going on with our forest and why they're burning all our 17 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:06,520 homes down but leaving the trees so let's get started I'm going to start with pictures of the forest 18 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:14,740 this is Santa Rosa California where 4,700 homes are just missing they're not even turned black the 19 00:02:14,740 --> 00:02:21,000 houses are white ash but yet the trees are still standing and most of them are green to me that's 20 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:29,540 impossible this is what I'm finding all throughout California the houses are missing every time I never 21 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:37,520 see a partially burned house no half houses they're either completely gone or they're untouched yet I find 22 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:51,260 trees everywhere all species in the last seven years I've analyzed 38 fire aftermaths and taken 107 trips 23 00:02:51,260 --> 00:02:58,940 to all of them out of all those 107 trips I believe only three that I analyzed out of the 38 24 00:02:58,940 --> 00:03:07,940 were actual forest fires where the trees burned up the rest of them were something else this is the giant 25 00:03:07,940 --> 00:03:17,600 fire we had in Paradise California where 15,000 homes approximately were taken away but yet as you can see 26 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:26,100 the forest remains the trees are probably dead but they are not burned up very few are burned up and yet 27 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:33,720 houses are just missing I've probably put 10,000 miles on my feet backpacking through the whole Sierra Nevada 28 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:40,820 at all elevations I know every tree in the state I know which trees burn and I've seen plenty of fires 29 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:50,320 the aftermaths where the forest is just gone leaving poles half stumps limbless sticks 100 feet high 30 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:58,420 nothing ever remotely close to this this is to me was impossible so it piqued my curiosity and I started 31 00:03:58,420 --> 00:04:09,340 looking into it more this is from a drone looking down at Paradise these are 60 to 80 foot ponderosa pines 32 00:04:09,340 --> 00:04:16,320 the number one pine tree in California that burns more often than any other species and by far 33 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:24,480 our whole Sierra Nevada has ponderosa pine in it plus many areas in the coast range the southern areas 34 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,580 by LA and up north towards Oregon these trees are not burning up 35 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:38,220 I'm noticing many of these fires are burning a lot of homes and businesses down in the lowlands 36 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:46,540 this is uh Santa Rosa also the same fire the McDonald's at the top the gas station to the right 37 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:52,700 and jack-in-a-box to the left these are all newer construction buildings they don't have a lot of wood 38 00:04:52,700 --> 00:05:01,420 showing they're mostly plastics metals slate granite metals all kinds of other materials yet all three are 39 00:05:01,420 --> 00:05:09,320 just missing and leaving piles of metals yet the trees around them all are light green some are a 40 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:15,580 little bit brown but they're not burned up what kind of forest fire forgets to burn the forest oddly all 41 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:21,360 three of the trees in this area are in the poison oak family Chinese pistachio Peruvian pepper or 42 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:29,520 California pepper and African sumac none of them burned up and yet there's your how your buildings gone 43 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:37,280 at the top of the screen is highway 101 six lane freeway the fire came across the freeway and just attacked 44 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:47,640 the buildings that's kind of a weird anomaly this is the fawn fire about three years ago I believe in 45 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Redding California where they put a lady in jail and are framing her and saying she's the one who started 46 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:02,280 this fire incidentally around the state there's five or six people that they've labeled arsonists 47 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:09,160 and put them in jail for doing these uh starting these fires none of them have started these fires 48 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:15,140 they don't have the aptitude to even begin to start these fires in their wildest dreams 49 00:06:15,140 --> 00:06:19,800 I talked to a gentleman here at this house I couldn't let him know what happened 50 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:26,920 this is a two-story house that's just gone and in the background you have a digger pine on the left 51 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,400 the next tree is the skinny one is a deodar cedar from the Himalayan that's in the pine family 52 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:39,880 a black oak another digger pine and a ponderosa pine all these are dead but they're not burned up 53 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,800 and if you look in the background brown trees everywhere holding their needles 54 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:52,080 this is last year in July August near Yosemite the western side of Yosemite is a town called 55 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Mariposa there was a fire there called the oak fire and I saw foul play on the computer screen when I 56 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,020 saw the pictures so I went up there and spent the whole day again the ponderosa pines are the tall 57 00:07:05,020 --> 00:07:12,640 ones there's a few white furs in there and the oak trees are a valley oak black oak and maybe there's an 58 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:19,480 incense cedar in here the only trees that burned were in close proximity to these mobile homes or 59 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:26,360 homes the homes are just gone leaving metals and the forest is dead but I can't say it's burned up 60 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:33,380 and this is everywhere I go another picture of the same unless the tree is really close to the homes 61 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:34,520 they're not burned up 62 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:45,520 this is our biggest fire we've had in years I bet three years ago by the Mount Lassam the volcano in 63 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:53,200 the Cascade Range there's a town called Greenville this fire was approximately a million acre fire by 64 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:59,240 itself and if you look in the background none of the trees are burned up those are ponderosa pine 65 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:06,620 white fur and perhaps red fur and incense cedar the town itself is missing all they left is one gas 66 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:13,100 station and one food store get your groceries from the rest of it looks just like this I walked every 67 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:22,200 street in that town and it all looks the same over on the 395 corridor that's the freeway that goes down 68 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:29,200 the eastern side of the Sierra Nevada between Lake Tahoe and the Los Angeles area this is a town called 69 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:35,980 Walker on the Walker River system it's kind of a real flat area where it can flood sometimes from the 70 00:08:35,980 --> 00:08:42,840 river and they put mobile homes and small houses out here a fire came through and burned this garage to 71 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,480 the ground leaving all the metals the man was a metal worker he had a metal shop with all kinds of 72 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:54,460 drill presses and lays and such like that it must have got extremely hot heating this thing up but 73 00:08:54,460 --> 00:09:00,440 yet to your left is a pinion pine that's the pine nut of commerce that we eat the number one pine that 74 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:08,180 used on the planet there it is pine family hanging over the building but it did not burn up those should 75 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:16,340 burn up pretty darn quick this is back to Greenville by Mount Lassen the town's missing the trees are dead 76 00:09:16,340 --> 00:09:24,180 but I can't say they're burned up along Highway 89 which connects Mount Lassen and Shasta with Lake Tahoe 77 00:09:24,180 --> 00:09:31,100 it's a high Sierra back road here's where the Dixie fire came through it didn't burn any trees although 78 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:37,080 the trunks are black the main growth layer of all your trees is your cambium layer and that's where all 79 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,680 the cambium fluids are they're just inside the bark the outer bark and that's where your moisture moves 80 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:49,040 the quickest to the top of the tree to feed the needles and or leaves and keep it healthy 81 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:56,860 so it moves fairly quick and that seems to be what's igniting the trunks turn black because of 82 00:09:56,860 --> 00:10:02,760 the liquids which doesn't make much sense I will get into that a little bit later but that's all I find 83 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:09,540 burned is the trunks no needles are burned I would say that's impossible but there's your picture even 84 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:15,940 with needles hanging very very low to the ground same here that's the oak fire out of Mariposa 85 00:10:15,940 --> 00:10:23,580 young ponderosa pines needles almost on the ground they didn't ignite the needles have fallen off but 86 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:30,780 that's you know a month or two later big basin state park is a park south of San Francisco which is 87 00:10:30,780 --> 00:10:38,180 created because of the redwood trees that were reside in that park about two years ago they burned the 88 00:10:38,180 --> 00:10:44,560 whole park up and shut it down for two years I'm standing by the ocean the oceans behind me I'm on 89 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:51,860 highway one our coastal highway in California this is a grove of blue gum eucalyptus arguably the most 90 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:59,340 combustible leaf I know of I can light these on fire when they're green with a cigarette lighter in my hand 91 00:10:59,340 --> 00:11:05,540 and I better be running pretty quick that's how fast these things will go as you can see not one leaf 92 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:12,520 burned the fire went under them burn the trunks again but left the leaves alone that was one of 93 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,700 my most damning photos I've ever taken this is your same grove two or three months later when we got 94 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:22,840 some rainfall and the grass is growing but you'll notice many of these trees did not regenerate 95 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:29,820 now a eucalyptus tree especially this species I can cut it down and it grows back every year I could 96 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:34,740 cut it down it grows back there's one in the middle over there a little ways over that has some green 97 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:41,220 rest they're pretty dead that's another anomaly that I've never seen 98 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:50,460 this is uh your douglas fir tree tallest of the pine family up in calistoga the wine country and 99 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:58,140 here's a very flammable douglas fir in you know needles touching the ground it would not ignite 100 00:11:58,140 --> 00:12:05,040 this is also the redding fire of the fawn fire they called it and there was a grove of eucalyptus 101 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:13,000 here same anomaly leaves refuse to burn another very flammable leaf happens to be in the laurel family 102 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:20,300 along with camphor trees and avocado trees this is a california bay tree I can light this on fire 103 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:25,260 with a cigarette lighter and when I'm camping backpacking in the lower areas of california 104 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:30,620 and my fire is getting low and it's time to go to sleep I will cut off some leaves put them in my 105 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:36,500 little fire and instantly they will ignite and I'll see the whole area a very combustible leaf 106 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:42,080 takes a little bit of heat once it goes it's amazing how fast and how much light you will get 107 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:51,920 to this day I've not seen one leaf of a bay or eucalyptus burn in all of my trips to these 38 aftermass 108 00:12:51,920 --> 00:13:00,640 not one leaf and that got me analyzing trees that hold the most water and most of those happen to 109 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:06,400 be hard hardwoods like this walnut this is an english walnut in an orchard the ground out there 110 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:15,440 has almost zero combustibility the grass in the background is just an inch high they run cattle out 111 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:22,200 here cattle eat the grass down to the nubs the hay truck has to come out throw hay off to feed the 112 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:28,880 cattle so how could this tree burn at the bottom all the way through and from the inside out that's 113 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,780 nearly impossible nobody stacked firewood against it this thing is hollow and when I cut a walnut tree 114 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:40,980 down plenty of water comes out this isn't the oldest tree in the forest that happens to have a lot of 115 00:13:40,980 --> 00:13:47,320 heartwood or rot or a hollow cavity these are young vigorous trees and incidentally the leaves didn't 116 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:57,440 burn again so I'm seeing trees all over burn from the inside out this was a California bay tree 117 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:04,820 the tree they took away because it was hanging over the road and it was dead up top and this is what I 118 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:12,460 found hollow burn from the inside out as well as this one 10 or 20 feet away there was no hole to 119 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:20,660 get a fire inside of these things but yet there they are burning internally this is a blue oak blue 120 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:26,940 oaks have their own forests at lower elevations just above your San Joaquin plain where it's all grasslands 121 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:33,280 the next comes the blue oaks they're very hardy very strong a smaller oak tree and here they are 122 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,900 burning from the inside out again with hardly anything on the ground rocks some dirt there's 123 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:47,320 no way that fire could get in there and all the leaves again are not burned another blue gum 124 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:55,060 eucalyptus this one was perhaps 130 feet tall this giant thing fell over it's seven feet tall if I stand 125 00:14:55,060 --> 00:15:01,860 next to that giant cavity and oddly the biggest burned area was at the base where you see the metal 126 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:07,540 T post hammered in the ground holding this fence there was actually one of those posts behind the 127 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:14,580 stump touching it I'm starting to think okay the steel post got super hot and did this kind of damage 128 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:23,100 I've never seen to this day any cavities in a eucalyptus tree in uh 33 years of doing tree work 129 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:30,360 zero cavities they compartmentalize their wounds very well seal it off and there's no cavity but yet 130 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:36,120 here's this gigantic hole and around it there was not enough combustible material to warrant this 131 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:46,620 kind of burn this is a madrone tree also over there in the oak fire by mariposa a madrone tree is in 132 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:53,040 the blueberry and cranberry family this thing holds a ton of water it's a north-facing slope water lever 133 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:59,620 that holds so much water you can't believe it and there's a creek below it also your manzanita happened 134 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:04,800 to be in this family and although it's very drought tolerant if you cut a manzanita open tons of water 135 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:11,020 pours out so here's your madrone burned from the inside out in the background you see leaves and 136 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:18,360 plants dead but not burned so I'm finding the water loving or highest water holding capacity trees 137 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:28,420 are the first to burn and from the inside out this is a cypress tree in a north area santa rose I believe 138 00:16:28,420 --> 00:16:36,160 not my picture nothing's on fire anywhere except the inside of this cypress tree same with this one 139 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,020 these were not lightning strikes they're a little bit different a lightning strike will put a stripe 140 00:16:41,020 --> 00:16:47,560 from the top of the tree to the ground and splay it open leave a stripe it doesn't go inside the tree 141 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,300 and burn it from the inside out I've seen thousands of lightning strikes all over the high sierra they 142 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:58,820 don't look like this this one has greenery everywhere where the fire come from I have a lot 143 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:04,520 to say about this tree this is back in the town of Walker California this is probably the largest 144 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:11,320 water holding capacity tree in the western United States it's a Fremont cottonwood they can grow at least 145 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:18,860 80 feet tall 6 to 10 feet in diameter and there's a few of them that are 15 feet in diameter this is related 146 00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:24,220 to your willows and your aspen at higher elevations if you cut it down water is gushing out of this thing 147 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:30,900 everywhere it has to grow in a creek area where there's a creek a lake a spring or a river there 148 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:37,040 has to be a water source if they or they start dying back immediately so this isn't a riparian corridor 149 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,420 all the river rocks around here are rounded because they move every so many years they move down the 150 00:17:42,420 --> 00:17:48,840 river rolling their way around there was nothing on the ground this fires could have burned but yet 151 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:54,960 the tree burned one whole side and into the heartwood exposing the middle of the tree and 152 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,880 there's just no combustible materials to warrant this kind of burn I see this all the time now it's 153 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:07,120 the first anomaly I look for I go to the wildfires and I find a creek area and I start looking for 154 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:17,700 madrone maples cottonwoods willow trees alders anything that holds a lot of water and I see what kind of 155 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:24,480 burn patterns they have this is back to that walnut orchard where you even see little grasses around 156 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,260 they're not burned the little grasses in the distance they're not burned what could burn through 157 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:35,540 a walnut like this what I'm finding out in the last couple years of my seven-year journey exploring this 158 00:18:35,540 --> 00:18:43,700 I'm finding out what I believe is the ground itself is on fire the after effect are the trees burning 159 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:50,960 from the inside out anything with that holds a lot of water is what burns from the inside out your pines 160 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:57,740 burn from the inside out but at a much slower rate because they're sappy and I think it's something to do 161 00:18:57,740 --> 00:19:03,920 with electrical currents and the water is a better conductor and the sap is a little bit slower 162 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:10,440 uh this is in the California delta on the confluence of the Sacramento and McCollumney river 163 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:18,400 it's a mobile home park I believe 19 or 21 mobile home park campers or mobile homes were taken away 164 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:24,360 they were just gone all that was left was the frames and this happens to be a mulberry tree 165 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:29,880 mulberry trees are related to fig trees they have white juice in them it's an easy way to tell the 166 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,600 family of plants they're in you cut them open there's white sticky juice everywhere like a fig tree 167 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:42,140 they both hold a ton of water in this white form and they're very hardy as long as they get their 168 00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:47,740 water this was a very healthy one I knew it looked like lightning hit it for an hour I've never seen 169 00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:54,340 anything like this in my life from the inside out again it was burned the bark flew off even the grass 170 00:19:54,340 --> 00:20:01,340 nearby refused to burn an anomaly that's just hard to understand 171 00:20:01,340 --> 00:20:11,320 this is a log pile on the outskirts of Big Basin State Park these are the two tallest trees on the 172 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,940 planet coastal redwood from the coast range of California and Douglas fir second tallest in the 173 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:23,420 world and tallest in the entire pine family if you look close you'll see the middle of these trees 174 00:20:23,420 --> 00:20:29,480 is dead we call that the heartwood some of them have cracks in it that's non-conductive tissue 175 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:37,680 dead around the perimeter closest to the edge is the sapwood that's the live tissue where your vascular 176 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:45,920 membranes are that transport liquids up and down the tree if you'll notice the heartwood is 60 to 80 percent 177 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:53,300 dead now you should not see that in these trees these are baby trees when it comes to these 178 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:59,760 two species the redwood can be 15 feet across in diameter and the Douglas fir can be eight foot in diameter 179 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,980 this heartwood is showing it like it's a very very old tree and these are babies when it comes to these two 180 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:12,540 so I figured out these things have been cooked from the inside out I don't know if it's happening quick 181 00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:19,080 or if it takes hours but they're cooking from the inside out because of the vascular fluids inside 182 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:27,820 another pile of Douglas fir and perhaps a few redwoods in there same thing some of this heartwood 183 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:35,760 is 90 percent that would be impossible unless they were in the wrong ecosystem here they get plenty of 184 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:41,820 fog moisture all that you'll notice in the background all the leaves are dead but nothing's burned up 185 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:49,000 so these trees are cooking from the inside out now I'm going to move on to materials this is an anomaly 186 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:56,200 now at these fires perhaps one out of two or three hundred tires look like this they're not melted 187 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:06,660 they're not disfigured huh then I see this on the label a polyester cord perhaps it has one wire going 188 00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:14,520 around the bead of the tire to hold it onto the rim other than that it's almost completely steel belted 189 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:23,580 cordless and then I find this this is 90 percent of the time this is the way our tires look steel belts 190 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:30,760 are left the rubber is completely gone I never find the rubber it's turned to carbon I guess even when 191 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:39,160 they're sitting by themselves on the street or out in the dirt this one no black nothing it's another 192 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:45,940 anomaly almost every aftermath I go to has fence posts that only burn at the ground because I really 193 00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:53,880 believe the ground itself is on fire and any of the metal hardwares the nail screws bolts hinges or other 194 00:22:53,880 --> 00:23:00,740 metal fasteners of some kind that's where most of your burning is happening the wood is burning as a 195 00:23:00,740 --> 00:23:08,060 secondary thing and only because of close proximity to the males this is your oak fire 196 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:15,540 right east of mariposa city which is on the west side of yosemite national park in california 197 00:23:15,540 --> 00:23:22,460 this was the top piece to a fence the only place it burned was where they had little nails in every 198 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:29,020 burn spot and if you look close you will see a nail at every burn spot I moved it around a little bit 199 00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:35,100 so some of the nails fell out but you can see at least three of them here now what kind of fire 200 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:43,560 burns like this not butane propane acetylene wood fires no it's something else and I've figured it out 201 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:50,060 that these are actually microwave fires that's the best conclusion I can draw and I've had a fire in my 202 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:56,760 microwave a bit of a tin foil on the top that I didn't notice from when you buy the thing and I heard 203 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:02,820 some sparks and stuff and I turn around and there's a flame in my microwave now I don't expect anybody 204 00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:09,400 to even try this but that's closer to what's really going on here than a wood fire that's not happening 205 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:18,080 these are some type of microwave based flames because only the metals are on fire and I have 206 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,820 plenty of photos like this where the nails themselves are on fire and the fire even goes out between the 207 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:31,140 nails a fire doesn't play games it burns the whole post drops the nails on the ground if it keeps going 208 00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:37,000 so the nails themselves are on fire and I'm finding this at every single aftermath 209 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,260 some of the same fires or different ones I can always find these 210 00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:48,060 I picked up that four by four just to show the nails because it was laying on the ground there 211 00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:54,940 then the fire went out didn't doesn't really care for the wood in the background ponderosa pine not 212 00:24:54,940 --> 00:25:04,600 really burned up this is a fence post near topaz lake california where they gamble it's right near the 213 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:11,140 nevada border I noticed there was a fire here oh maybe five six years ago or more and I saw this post 214 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:16,420 and I had to walk up and analyze it it only burned where the barbed wire was and then the barbed wire moved 215 00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:21,460 around from probably the wind swaying the post but it should have burned the whole post 216 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:32,580 more the same some leg screws here and the barbed wire a split rail fence made of one of our two native cedars 217 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:39,140 either red cedar from the coast or incense cedar from the high sierra those are our two native false cedars 218 00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:44,580 this is four or five feet in the air it didn't want to burn except where the nails are 219 00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:51,380 same thing on all these the most burned area is where the hardware is 220 00:25:55,460 --> 00:26:01,860 so you're finding these wherever you go at every aftermath the metal t post on the back that's where 221 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:07,780 most of your fire was it didn't want to go around the corner fire doesn't play favorites it laps right 222 00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:15,540 and left it goes everywhere it doesn't burn straight lines like that this is a parking block it's 223 00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:23,780 perhaps 30 feet long homemade it only burned where the bolts connected to the post that goes down and 224 00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:30,580 buried in the ground each one of these is different it's the same board nowhere else was it burned just 225 00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:37,460 the bolts how about that they backfilled it with some rocks for decorative purposes i never heard of 226 00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:43,940 a fire that attacks bolts but that's what happens when you have this type of flame it doesn't care about 227 00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:49,940 organics it likes the metal other ferrous or non-ferrous materials 228 00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:57,540 same thing here this is about five feet in the air up at the fawn fire out of reading also 229 00:26:57,540 --> 00:27:02,980 i don't know if i've said it but five or six people in california are in jail and they're framing 230 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:08,100 them saying they started these fires none of them could have started those fires and i've analyzed 231 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:14,980 every one that they supposedly started no this is something much deeper than a simple common wood 232 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:21,060 fire that we know of this is on sonora pass road the second highest pass in california going over the 233 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:27,380 sierra nevada a fire went up there and burned down a community called dardanelle anomalies everywhere 234 00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:32,740 this was a granite area where the river's right below there's nothing here to burn it's granite 235 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:39,460 rock but here the old bridge that we don't use anymore which was all metal and wood it burned up 236 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:44,420 and they took it all away they took every piece they could find but they forgot this piece there it 237 00:27:44,420 --> 00:27:52,100 is again the bolts and where did it burn where the bolts were nowhere else this is a wagon wheel 238 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:56,980 something decorative in somebody's front yard you'll notice the burning it just happened to land right where the 239 00:27:56,980 --> 00:28:05,540 bolts 240 00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:07,540 you 241 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:09,540 you 242 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:21,540 you