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Hey friends, Peggy Hall back with you from the healthyamerican.org.

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I've got an image up here for you.

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Yes, these are burned trees and I've got the tree expert.

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You know Robert.

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He is a healthy American.

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I think Robert, this is going to be, this is your fourth time on the show.

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We had a little technical difficulties last time, but listen carefully to what Robert

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has to share with you.

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Robert, please tell everybody about your background and then we're going to look at images, his

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own images about fire.

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We're going to look at Canada.

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We're going to look at Maui.

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We're going to look at California and how all of this is going to help us answer the question

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natural or not.

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Tell us about what you do, Robert, and why this is your area of expertise.

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Why sure, Peggy.

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And thank you again for having me back to elaborate more on all these new fires.

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Yes.

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Let's see.

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Well, I've studied plants my entire adult life, 48 years and counting, and I've backpacked

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through the high Sierra, thousands of miles, climbed a lot of mountains while doing it.

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And on many trips, I had a scientific plant book in my hand.

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And so I learned all the wildflowers, ferns, shrubs, and trees, and was an arborist for

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20 years and certified.

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Now I'm not an arborist anymore.

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I just redefined myself as a forensic arborist because I've been studying so much of these

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fires and noticing patterns that didn't make any sense to me.

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Um, so I've got a long history in plant research, uh, hands-on and scientific, both.

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Um, and I wanted to start here with an old photograph.

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This is, uh, a mountainous area, probably mostly pines, fir, spruce, larch, things like

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that.

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This is the way a normal mountain forest fire looks.

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No exception, especially a firestorm.

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Needles are gone.

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Twigs are gone.

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Branches are gone.

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Trunks are half burned up and down the, the height of them.

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And very hard to get down the trail, stepping over logs and stuff.

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It's really no fun trying to hike through this stuff.

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Now this is a very old picture, perhaps the early 1900s.

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I've noticed they've scrubbed a lot of recent fire pictures off the internet.

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I can't find them.

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Everything I find nowadays has needles, dead needles everywhere, which is more on the unnatural

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side.

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So I wanted to find some of these old shots like this.

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And you can see, even see the tree trunks are convoluted, half burned through.

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This is the way a normal fire aftermath looks to me.

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And I've spent a lot of years backpacking, an awful lot, my entire life.

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So I know what the forest fires really look like.

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And Robert, you know what the trees look like.

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You know how the trees behave, which trees hold water, which are more like tinder boxes.

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I know you're, as we go through, you'll tell us more.

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The thing about scrubbing, they're scrubbing other information about house fires and those

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burn patterns so that we can't match those up with these more devastating images.

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So yes, please go on.

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Yes.

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This is old 1910.

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I'm not sure where.

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Um, but this is the way they look.

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No exception.

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If you hear of a firestorm, this is the way it should look.

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Twigs, branches, poles down.

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Um, so anyway, I wanted to include those because people on your last, uh, video that we did

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together, there was a lot of comments.

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What does a real aftermath look like?

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It's like, okay.

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This is great.

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That's awesome.

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I don't travel that much.

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So this is paradise.

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I believe it's 2018.

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This is totally unnatural.

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The forest fire forgot to burn the forest with a few exceptions.

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The homes are turned to white ash.

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Look at all the trees.

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They're either a light shade of green or light brown, but I can't say they're burned up.

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And that's the way they should look.

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How do you burn a house to the ground with huge amounts of heat and the closest trees

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right next to them, not burning at all?

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So this is a totally unnatural.

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And I wanted to point that the difference between the two.

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This is, of course, is a Santa Rosa also 60 to 80 foot ponderosa pine and white fir.

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They really didn't burn up that day.

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A few of their close to homes in close proximity, but these homes are missing.

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Also, I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, but look in the street, the plastic garbage

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cans.

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They didn't steal them away from your property in paradise.

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That's where they messed up.

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Somewhere along the line, they figured out that they can't leave materials laying around

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that should have burned or melted up.

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In paradise, it was the plastic garbage cans.

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They were everywhere in the streets, not melted.

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So I wanted to point that out because I just saw that the other day.

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Yeah, and at the same time, we see the glass melting in the cars.

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And in order for glass to melt, that is way over 2,500 degrees.

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Regular wildfires are estimated at about 1,400 maximum.

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This is Fahrenheit.

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So again, it just defies physics.

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Yes.

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And here's one of the 10 trader parks or mobile home parks that were completely burned to the

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ground in paradise.

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All 10 mobile home parks.

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And there's those darn trees that turned fireproof in the last 10 years or thereabouts.

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I think that's a perfect title for the video, fireproof trees.

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Yeah, and I've heard some people, even firemen, say, well, Ponderosa Pine are really fireproof.

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What world are they living in?

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Wow.

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And here's Santa Rosa.

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That's the first picture I ever saw seven years ago.

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And it didn't make any sense to me.

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Right away, the first thing I saw is there's trees everywhere, even between homes.

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And yet the homes are missing.

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And all I see is green trees.

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And that's an impossible thing to me, but it happened.

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This is what new technology has taken us to.

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I like how you put it that way.

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It's just amazing.

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Not technology to help us.

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That's right.

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This is paradise.

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The ground's just toasted.

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The ground's burned up, but the trees didn't burn.

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The rims, if they're aluminum or alloys, they're melting out of the car across the street there.

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And flowing down the dirt gutter there, what kind of fuel kept that aluminum flowing

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that far away?

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It's not near the car anymore.

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That's 1,221 degrees to melt that one.

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And who flipped this car upside down?

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I don't think we had some riots up here.

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Stunning.

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This is what's going on.

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And these aren't heavy winds.

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These are something else.

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If anybody's read Dr. Judy Wood's book about that day in September, 20-something years ago,

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cars were flipped upside down.

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And there was no crazy winds.

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Not enough to lift a 4,000-pound vehicle.

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Uh-uh.

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Somebody sent me this, and I looked it up and got some more.

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This is a bridge over a creek.

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There's your water.

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There's no combustible materials under it.

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And I'll bet there never was.

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Trees have leaves everywhere.

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What melted the tar between the steel girders?

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And what made those girders sway?

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Those temperatures are going way up high above a forest fire.

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There's not enough combustible materials anywhere near this bridge to do that kind of melting,

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making them sway like that.

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And this was from the media.

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This is one of their pictures.

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It's almost like they're mocking us, isn't it, Robert?

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Like they are showing those images to see who is going to catch it or not.

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I've noticed that in a lot of their events that they orchestrate.

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I don't think that they're just, maybe some of them are sloppy, but I think they're doing that intentionally to mock people.

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Because there will be plenty of people looking at this who are not going to take the analytical eye that you have.

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And that's why we're doing this show for everyone here.

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I think if you were to take one of these girders by itself, put it in a 20-foot bonfire and use the hottest burning woods you can,

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you'll never achieve this melting.

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No way.

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And it's actually wet down here.

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He lives nearby.

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There's your sycamore in the background.

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Didn't burn the leaves on that.

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The metals are on fire, gentlemen, gentle ladies.

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Wow.

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I wanted to get up to Canada.

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This is on the internet.

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Easy to find.

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Same technology.

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Around here is hardly anything that could be combustible enough to get to the temperatures to melt this bridge.

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The metals were on fire, I'm sure of it.

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And it just collapsed the whole bridge.

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You can tell by the trees and foliage around.

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Not much burned.

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Maybe a little dead grass.

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There's no way that could ever compromise this bridge and drop it.

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And this is in Canada.

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This is Canada somewhere.

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I'm not sure where.

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And there's nothing around it that's even on fire.

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No.

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The metal's on fire.

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If I was there during the fire itself, all those metals would have a flame on them until they turn it off.

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That's what I've come to realize.

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This was really damaged.

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This is a giant train trestle above a river or a lake.

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Out in the middle, the railroad track has swayed and melted, basically, to move that far away from, you know, out of its alignment.

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And you look at this, the wooden railroad ties under it.

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They're not gone.

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They're a little bit burned, probably because they're in close proximity to all this steel.

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Even so, that would not be hot enough to melt those rails and make them twist and turn and bend outwards or inward.

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No way.

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I saw that and I couldn't believe it.

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What kind of fire would be out in the middle of the trestle anyway?

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It's probably 100 yards out.

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This was a huge trestle.

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And I've seen other photographs of Litton.

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I'm not sure how they pronounce it.

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Amazing.

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Wow.

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Make a giant bonfire.

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Have it burn for a month and put those railroad tracks in there.

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They're not going to sway.

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It's not going to happen.

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This is also up there.

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Multiple anomalies in here.

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The car, the windshields are melted out starting at 2,500 degrees.

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But to make the windows flow, it's going above 2,500 degrees.

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A little bit of aluminum.

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No, no aluminum here melted out.

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These are all steel rims.

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The one that caught me the most is the rim on that piece of plywood.

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The tire completely burned off of it.

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All the rubber's gone.

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And you see slinky-like steel belts in a coil.

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Why did the plywood not burn more?

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It's a perfect circle where the rim was on fire.

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And then it just goes out.

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Unbelievable.

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This is wood.

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This is your main combustible material for forest fires.

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Wood didn't want to burn except when it was in close proximity to the metals.

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As of yesterday, I've done 109 trips now.

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And I analyzed another trip, a forest fire out of San Jose, California.

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More of the same stuff.

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An entire forest burned up, but mostly at ground level and trees burning from the inside out.

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So, Robert, are some of these cars and everything still there at some of these scenes?

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I wouldn't know in Canada.

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Oh, this is still Canada.

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This is a...

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That started out to be Canada right there.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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The two bridges.

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Right.

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Here's one of my pictures.

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This is what your windows look like.

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They melt and fall in onto the dashboard, what's left of it.

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Every single window in 109 trips.

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Every single one.

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No exception.

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And if you talk to a fireman about that in the city, they'll tell you they've never put a car fire out, at least before the last seven years or more, where the windows have melted.

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They don't melt out.

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They might shatter, break, something like that, or fall out.

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They do not melt.

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More of the same in Canada.

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Some melting of your rims here.

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Windows are gone.

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Just wanted to show what's left.

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Only the metals are left.

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I don't see partial burns with anything else in these cars.

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Just metals.

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Meanwhile, the forest is dead, but I can't say it's burned up.

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And so that's what I'm finding.

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This is Canada also.

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House is missing.

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A whole forest, untouched.

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And look on the ground there.

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You see some garden hose.

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I see that quite often.

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If I get to the fires fast enough, the rubber hosing won't be burned or melted unless it's in close proximity to the spigot or the home.

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Let's connect the dots for the folks here a little bit, friends.

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Think about when you're using an appliance at home.

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I don't personally use that, but it's that microwave oven, right?

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You can put your whatever you want to heat up, your soup or whatever it is, in a plastic container.

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You're supposed to use plastic.

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You're not supposed to use anything with metal.

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That will start a fire because those are electromagnetic fires.

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And the other thing, Robert, that I think it's worth mentioning to remind folks is that these kind of electrical fires cannot be put out with water.

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And I believe that's exactly why they gave us the cover story in Lahaina, that the water was turned off.

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All right?

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I'm very skeptical by nature.

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It's a perfect cover story to say, well, we didn't have any water.

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Otherwise, people would see that water splattering and sparks flying, and it would be, if I can use the expression, a dead giveaway, that it's an electrical fire.

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You don't use water to put that out.

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So rubber, I'm sorry, plastic does not melt in a microwave, but you certainly don't want to put any metal in, and you can't put out those electrical fires with water.

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If I were bringing in a case to court, these would be the pieces of evidence that I would focus on.

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So please continue with your eagle eye here.

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And so trees are left here, and the house is just completely missing.

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I don't think the forest fire came from the forest.

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I think the houses were on fire first.

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All the houses are just left with metals, and rarely anything else, unless it's out in the yard, and that's where we'll find our plastics, rubbers, synthetics, like the street sign down here on the right.

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I believe that was there before the fire even came.

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Forest kind of looks dead everywhere, but I don't see it burned up, not like those first pictures I showed.

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Just the metals.

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The homes are gone.

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I'm going to get into materials here in a second.

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That swimming pool, I can't tell if it's metal or plastic.

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I think it had a plastic liner, and half of it survived.

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Even the forest here, dead?

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I can't say it's burned up.

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I just found this one.

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I'm looking at the forest more than anything.

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All behind this two-story house is forest, even to the left.

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Perhaps there are ponderosa pines like our Sierra in Nevada.

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Is this Canada, or are we back in California?

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No, this is all still Canada.

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This is still Canada.

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Wow, because it looks like California destruction.

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Yeah, it does.

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There's no difference anywhere in the world.

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Wow, here's another car.

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Every car looks the same.

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Here's another home that's gone.

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All the trees are in the whole perimeter, untouched.

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Can you go back to the one?

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The paper didn't burn, Robert?

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I don't think we saw that one.

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Yeah, this is crazy.

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Single-page paper wouldn't burn up in a fire, and things are black all over.

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It's the wrong flame.

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Sometimes it gets singed a little bit.

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I believe that's all from ambient heat, from the ground that has moisture, or these twigs

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that have moisture in them, because the liquids in the tree limbs are on fire.

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That's actually the fuel source, is the water and liquids inside of these limbs.

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An amazing thing.

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Much when you heat up your soup in the microwave oven, they tell you, be careful, because it's

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hotter on the inside, or the center of it, center of the mass.

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And here's another house missing on the left, and the whole forest appears to be dead, but

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not burned up.

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I want to get into materials.

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On your right is a shed, untouched, a plastic swimming pool.

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I find a lot of these simple plastic swimming pools untouched, unless they're really, really

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close to metals.

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A horrific firestorm that took the windows out of this van and melted them, and the building

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behind it is missing, but here's that plastic swimming pool.

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So I'm going to get into some of these materials now, just like in California.

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A home's gone.

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The kids play structure in the back with the swing chains hanging.

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There's wood and a plastic roof, and it just didn't want to burn.

336
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There's your normal wood fire, but this fire doesn't like wood.

337
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Amazing.

338
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This is also in Canada.

339
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This is still in Canada.

340
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The little kid's plastic dollhouse just doesn't want to melt.

341
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It's microwave safe.

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Almost like they're showing that to us on purpose.

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It's hard to find these photos, actually.

344
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Here, all these homes are missing.

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There's a bunch of chimneys.

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The forest is dead, but not burned.

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Here on the fence line was the important part.

348
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The boards that fell on the ground, they burned only where the nails are attached to them.

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You see the black marks?

350
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Okay.

351
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Amazing.

352
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Yeah, so you do see those.

353
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Okay.

354
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That's the only place it burned is where the nails work.

355
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Same as all the fire aftermaths in California.

356
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Here's a swimming pool that did have metals around it, even little pieces.

357
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So that one burned up.

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The tree to the left?

359
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Not really.

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Here's your aluminum rims.

361
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The windows work on.

362
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The buildings scrap metal, and all I see is trees.

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Pines at that.

364
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Pines burn up very quickly when they get heat put on them.

365
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Amazing.

366
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What kind of fire forgot the trees?

367
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No forest burned here.

368
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A few little trees, but mostly these buildings burned up because of all the metals in them.

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Again, no grassland to bring the fire to this area.

370
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In the background, a few trees burned, mostly because there's buildings there.

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The organics aren't burning unless they're very close to metals or a creek, and we'll get into that a little bit later.

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So here's Maui.

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This is the famous banyan tree, a giant ficus.

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You notice every side of this tree has burned up, and there's only metals left.

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The building, right in front of it, the roof's gone, the window's gone, the terracotta roof is gone.

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And there's the tree.

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It really didn't want to burn up.

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It should have been completely wilted and burned at least the leaves, and there it is close up.

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And maybe a little bit of leaves, but look at that building, completely toasted, leaving stonework, cement, and not much else.

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So that was something else that woke me up when I saw that.

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Even the palm trees around the area, they're very wilted, but they didn't want to burn up.

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Palm trees burn very quick, especially if they have dead leaves on them.

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Yeah, there's your ficus.

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I hope it survives.

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Here's some residential there in Maui with a giant tree on the right.

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I'm not sure what it is.

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It could be a silk tree or perhaps another ficus.

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00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,360
There's many species of ficus.

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All the homes completely gone.

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I've not seen a partial burned house yet.

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They always look like this.

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And all the cars look the same, too.

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There's no exceptions.

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And I can't find the plastic garbage cans.

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For some reason, we don't find those.

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00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,740
Down at the street level, same scenario.

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Trees are left.

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And I don't know what happened to that sign that says speed bump.

399
00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:16,960
Why that was caught on fire.

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00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,480
That's metal.

401
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Crazy.

402
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:20,940
Windows missing.

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All the paints off.

404
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,420
Everything non-metal is just gone off these vehicles.

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00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:29,180
Even underneath the trees to the right.

406
00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:30,800
That one looks like a pine tree.

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00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:33,580
And the pine tree did not burn up.

408
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This was an important picture I found of Maui.

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The house is missing.

410
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,320
The eucalyptus tree behind didn't burn up.

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A little black on the trunk, but the leaves are still on it.

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And I believe it was half dead already on the tops.

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00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:52,540
Many trees will have problems like that.

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But in the foreground, the plastic garbage can on the left.

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That's the only one I have found in the whole city and all the photographs I've looked at.

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00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:09,620
They did a good job of getting rid of all the plastics, evidence rolling around that they don't want the public to see.

417
00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:11,460
That's right, Robert.

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Can you tell us about the eucalyptus trees in general?

419
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,060
And folks that are just hopping on, Robert is an expert.

420
00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:21,100
He's an arborist.

421
00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:23,380
And he's actually a forensic arborist.

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00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:34,480
He can look at the burn patterns that we see and that can give us evidence so that we can conclude whether or not these wildfires are actually wildfires.

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00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,400
We can draw conclusions from the evidence as to whether they are natural or not.

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So what you're saying, Robert, and what you're telling us, it doesn't add up, does it?

425
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,500
No, it doesn't.

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The most combustible leaves I know of are eucalyptus leaves.

427
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:56,800
There may be others, but the eucalyptus leaf is you can light it on fire with a cigarette lighter in your hand.

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No exception.

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00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720
And these look like blue gum eucalyptus.

430
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,140
If not, they're very close sister species, if you will.

431
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:12,540
You put these in your campfire, a little tiny campfire, and they're just exploding with flames and you've got to back up or you're going to get burned.

432
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,840
That's the way they are.

433
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:18,040
Back in 1992, we had a fire in Berkeley and Oakland, California.

434
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It burned down thousands of houses, I believe.

435
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:27,460
But all the eucalyptus burned to the ground, leaving blackened poles or worse, less than that.

436
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:37,940
But in the last seven years, I've not seen one burned up eucalyptus leaf anywhere in lower California, below the snow line.

437
00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:39,760
These trees are subtropical.

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They won't grow up where the snow is.

439
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,460
They would freeze.

440
00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:44,520
I've looked everywhere.

441
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:50,120
I can't find them burned up, even when the leaves are hanging onto the ground where the fire was.

442
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,200
And I've got a picture of that coming up later on.

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Amazing.

444
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Thank you.

445
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,560
And the plastics, if they're away from metals, they're not touched.

446
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,220
The fire doesn't recognize the plastics.

447
00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:07,640
Only your metals are on fire and anything in very close proximity.

448
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,320
So if the plastic was closer to that car, it probably would have melted out.

449
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:23,820
But I believe they're getting in before the fire or right after, before the public comes in, and taking all of your materials off your property that should have burned.

450
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,820
The wood fence next to the plastic garbage can.

451
00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:27,740
That's wood.

452
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,980
It didn't want to burn up, really.

453
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,440
That's a really good point, Robert.

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You know, they covered the city, many parts of the city, with those screens.

455
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And did not allow people in.

456
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,220
There were so many questions as to what they were hiding.

457
00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:43,360
They said they were smoke screens.

458
00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:43,760
Yeah.

459
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,080
We use that expression, smoke screen, to hide something or to, yeah, to obscure something.

460
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,760
And who knows what they were doing behind those screens.

461
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:54,480
Yeah.

462
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,440
My brother researched it very well.

463
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,080
And he says that screening was pretty tall.

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I think it was seven feet, maybe more.

465
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But it was 17 miles of screening.

466
00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:06,240
Did they just go down to Home Depot and find it on the island?

467
00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:09,540
Or were they prepared way beforehand?

468
00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:12,260
And why would they put that up anyway?

469
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,260
That's a first.

470
00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,160
They're just hiding evidence.

471
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,220
They don't want prying eyes with cameras to take pictures and put it out there on the internet.

472
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,400
Well, look at the, in this picture, look at all the grass that's unburned.

473
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,660
We were told that it was a grass-fed fire.

474
00:24:29,660 --> 00:24:31,980
Look at this.

475
00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:33,540
All the trees look wilted.

476
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,940
I can't see they're burned up.

477
00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:38,040
Some down in the foreground that are very close to the buildings.

478
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,100
Yes, those are burned up.

479
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:43,100
But a forest fire that just doesn't want to burn the organics.

480
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,320
The palms on the left.

481
00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:46,200
Everywhere you see is green trees.

482
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520
This is like every aftermath that I've analyzed.

483
00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:50,600
No exception.

484
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Yeah, your lawns.

485
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:55,380
The only thing burning is houses.

486
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It's forgetting the organic material.

487
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,140
And I believe it doesn't recognize organics as fuel.

488
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:03,480
It's a different flame.

489
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,500
And Robert, you've studied over 100 fires.

490
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:12,320
38 different fires and 109 trips since Sunday.

491
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,260
Okay, 109 trips.

492
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,760
That's so, I don't know anyone that comes near your level of investigation or expertise on that.

493
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:26,140
Yeah, just the other day I did another hard hike for the day and all the trees were cooked from the inside out.

494
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:27,820
Amazing.

495
00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:29,340
109 trips now.

496
00:25:30,620 --> 00:25:40,500
And only 35, I'm sorry, only 3 out of the 38 I deem were natural occurring wildfires that burn the trees up like they should have.

497
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:43,160
The other 35, they were something else.

498
00:25:43,820 --> 00:25:45,340
Directed energy fires.

499
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,500
That's what I call them.

500
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,380
Wow.

501
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:49,280
I wanted to talk about the boats.

502
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,740
Yes, flying embers can fly all over the place.

503
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,580
Yeah, they're going to, I guess they're going to fly 100 yards out in the water, hit the boats and burn those up.

504
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,320
To me, that's a lie, a distraction.

505
00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:03,600
Most of these boats nowadays are plastics and metals.

506
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:11,100
And I believe their weapon, if you will, attacked the boats also and made them look like this.

507
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,960
I don't believe flying embers went out there.

508
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,880
Same with this one at the bottom.

509
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,880
I think somebody told me this is the glass bottom boat that people like to go out in and see the fish.

510
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:21,480
What happened to that?

511
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,880
Anchored way out here.

512
00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:25,240
Where's the closest flames to it?

513
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:26,220
100 yards?

514
00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:33,120
So, to me, that's very fishy, how boats would catch on fire way out in the harbor.

515
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,180
And I have another picture here.

516
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:37,520
This is from California.

517
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,060
This is part of the Carr fire up in Whiskey Town Lake, a reservoir up by Redding, California.

518
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:47,400
The other side of the lake appeared to be burned up pretty well.

519
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,660
And this side, all the trees are dead.

520
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,920
But why are the docks and boats burned out in the middle of the lake?

521
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,600
And the wood, the docks are kind of still there.

522
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,520
But the boats wanted to catch on fire instead of the docks.

523
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:02,860
And I have a close-up of this also.

524
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,900
This is out there.

525
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:09,380
This could be over 100 yards away, and it just affected the boats.

526
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,120
The wood docks are kind of intact, maybe a little singed.

527
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,640
And I've seen this years ago when this happened.

528
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:17,820
These aren't flying embers.

529
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:18,580
That's just a lie.

530
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,900
Look at the forest behind it.

531
00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:23,360
It's ponderosa pine, digger pine, or gray pine, they call them now.

532
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,480
And knob cone pine, one of your closed cone pines.

533
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:33,680
A very, all three of those together in their habitats burn up like crazy when a firestorm comes through.

534
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,980
These are upper foothills or lower coniferous zones where these are the most intense fires you can get.

535
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,720
But intense, it didn't happen.

536
00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:42,960
The forest is still there.

537
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:45,220
Dead but not burned up.

538
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,040
Robert, I need to, can we stay on that picture for a moment with the boats?

539
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:57,360
Because I had a commenter who said, when I brought this up in the early days analyzing what was going on in Lahaina,

540
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:03,980
and a couple of people were pushing back or questioning and saying, well, these were made out of fiberglass.

541
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Well, fiberglass is not combustible.

542
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,840
And I just want to state that on the record.

543
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,500
So a lot of boats are made from fiberglass.

544
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,300
And some are made from wood.

545
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,380
But more often than not, they're not really made out of wood.

546
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:22,440
And if they were, why, as you pointed out, why would this dock, which is a wooden dock, be untouched?

547
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,260
That's right.

548
00:28:23,380 --> 00:28:28,640
If that is fuel, that's what fires consume in order to stay alive.

549
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:36,100
Water puts fires out, except water does not put out electrical fires or electromagnetic fires,

550
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:38,800
which is why you would never put fire.

551
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,680
If your microwave was sparking and flaming, you don't put fire on that.

552
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:46,040
It actually causes it to spark and jump.

553
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:52,020
So we're letting the viewers draw their conclusions from these facts that you're so clearly presenting.

554
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:59,820
Yeah, fires don't blow embers one or 200 yards and just keep on going, retaining their heat.

555
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,460
And then all of a sudden burn something up like this.

556
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,140
Several years ago, we went to the Lake Berryessa fire.

557
00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:09,300
They call it a complex because they merged multiple fires.

558
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,940
And they burned everything from Calistoga in a winery all the way down to Highway 80 by Vacaville.

559
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,400
But at Lake Berryessa, I analyzed some of the harbor boats and boats in people's driveways.

560
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,120
They had aluminum boats with nothing around them.

561
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,580
The aluminum was melted onto the ground.

562
00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:31,020
Like, what kind of fire embers attack aluminum boat?

563
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:34,240
And I have pictures of those, but I didn't put them on here.

564
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,980
Yeah, it's not combustible material.

565
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:38,580
Fire needs heat.

566
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,600
It needs fuel and it needs oxygen.

567
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:47,860
And this is so strange because it's not the type of fuel that a forest fire feeds on.

568
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,280
That's right.

569
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:50,200
You're exactly right.

570
00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:52,660
Water would be a conduit for electrical currents.

571
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,100
There you go.

572
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,340
This is supposed to be also over there in Maui.

573
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,440
This guy's doing some work here.

574
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:07,740
Whatever buildings these were, all that metal, when you superheat it with microwave technology, it burns to the ground and leaves nothing but white ash.

575
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,800
But yet, here's a full-grown forest all the way around it.

576
00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:17,740
I think there's some brucia pine from the Mediterranean, some type of eucalyptus here, and several others.

577
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880
They're dead or appear to be dead, but they're not burned up.

578
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,120
And look at what he's got.

579
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,620
He's got an unsinged, healthy tree limb that he's carrying around.

580
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,820
That's not even burned.

581
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,960
It's not even singed.

582
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:39,220
I find this photo almost like a mockery, as though this was allowed to be viewed by the public.

583
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:46,580
And they're hiding things like this, to my interpretation, in plain sight.

584
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:53,780
Like, these leaves are unburned, the tree limb looks, I don't know, like it was snapped off or sawed off or something.

585
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,320
What do you make of that, Robert?

586
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Yeah, I don't know why he's even wasting his time doing this.

587
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,580
It's like a staged photo.

588
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:07,460
To me, you're bringing a tractor and you clear off the entire lot, cut all the trees down that are dead, and start rebuilding.

589
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,860
I don't know what he's doing this for.

590
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,320
Yeah, exactly.

591
00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:14,160
I think they're just sloppy.

592
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,380
Yeah.

593
00:31:15,380 --> 00:31:18,080
They don't see everything that I do and other folks.

594
00:31:18,580 --> 00:31:18,700
Right.

595
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,460
This one jumped out to me.

596
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,500
Hardly anybody keeps palm trees up perfectly.

597
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:26,600
There's always a dead leaf hanging straight down.

598
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120
If you look around, the ones hanging straight down were probably dead.

599
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,240
These ignite in a second, like grass.

600
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:33,220
It's just a big grass.

601
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:34,660
That's all a palm tree kind of is.

602
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:38,880
Cigarette lighter in hand will burn up the dead leaves hanging straight down.

603
00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:41,620
As you can see, trunks are black.

604
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,960
I don't see any dead organic material.

605
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:44,740
None.

606
00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:48,400
So where did the heat come from to do this to this car?

607
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:51,320
Rims, windows, engines.

608
00:31:51,320 --> 00:32:05,180
And many times when I look in these engine compartments, if they have intake manifolds on top that are aluminum or alloys, they're melted out, leaving the cast iron stuff down below or whatever it's made of, the lower bottom block and the axles.

609
00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:09,860
I mean, to get these temperatures and to melt the window out, it's well over 2,500 degrees.

610
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:11,280
That's just your melting point.

611
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:14,760
This can go up to 3,000 and possibly even more.

612
00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:18,640
And I don't know how long, how long this vehicle is on fire.

613
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,460
I'm not aware of that yet.

614
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:22,840
You know, Robert, that's such a good point.

615
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:35,500
And I really want to underline this, that you said there's no evidence of organic materials, meaning things that are combustible, the plants and the debris and all of that.

616
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:43,600
So what people say and how they got swept away with their emotions is that, well, the fire was so big and so fast that it just blew through the town.

617
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,640
But friends, fire doesn't blow.

618
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,400
It has to consume something to stay alive.

619
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:50,280
It must have fuel to stay alive.

620
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,080
So where is the fuel?

621
00:32:52,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Are you telling me that the cement blocks of this home and the, I suppose the rubber tires can burn, but again, that's in a limited area.

622
00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:04,420
How did it get here?

623
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:06,300
And where did it go after this?

624
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:15,480
If it didn't consume the available material, the combustible, ignitable material, it's still standing.

625
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:22,380
And there's no evidence of these, you showed us the natural firefighter aftermath in the very beginning of our presentation.

626
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,920
It doesn't look like this at all.

627
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,880
No, it sure doesn't.

628
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:28,100
Go ahead.

629
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,920
I was going to say these fire investigators that are on the scene.

630
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,540
There were some from the federal government.

631
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:37,480
The police department of Maui is investigating it.

632
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:39,060
I suppose they think it's arson.

633
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:52,200
This is, to my view, not the result of an arson fire from everything you're teaching us, Robert, about the behavior of trees, how combustible they are, the evidence that's left behind.

634
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,080
This picture right here, like you say, it just, it's worth a thousand words.

635
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Yeah.

636
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,820
And I've seen lots of comments attacking me saying, well, this isn't a forest fire.

637
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,680
It's a house fire.

638
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,480
Oh, I didn't know house fires just jump over the trees and only burn houses down.

639
00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:14,620
Like you said, trees and organic material has to fuel the fire or it stops.

640
00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:16,420
It can't just keep going.

641
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:27,880
You know, they're scrubbing the internet because years ago when I was studying the car fire and even previous to that, because we had fires in Laguna Beach, like back in the 1990s.

642
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:34,720
And it was much more difficult to do research back then the internet was until, you know, there was, I don't think there was Google, I don't know.

643
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:50,900
But, but back in the day, I did try to research fire behavior and, you know, they're scrubbing a lot of the fire department training videos, but I want everybody to try to find a video or a textbook related to house fires.

644
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:58,500
If you're telling me this is a residential fire, in a residential fire, even in a wooden house, the frame is still standing.

645
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,740
You're going to, it's going to be singed like those trees you showed us, Robert, because that's what it is.

646
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:09,300
It's wood, but you're still going to have a sink and a toilet and a fireplace.

647
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:10,620
You're going to have bricks.

648
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:14,160
If the house was built with bricks, you're going to have some roofing materials.

649
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,660
That's why these roofing materials are used to protect the home.

650
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:24,580
So in, you know, 20 years ago, you could see videos that showed you how house fires burned.

651
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:26,680
This is not consistent with a house fire.

652
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Right.

653
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,740
There's no blackened wood anywhere.

654
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,340
It's rare for me to find blackened wood.

655
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:33,780
On the far left, there's one piece.

656
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:38,040
I just saw here on the far right is a fence.

657
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Didn't want to burn that day, did it?

658
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,780
Nice wood fence.

659
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:46,400
And next to it, either is there some type of bamboo or a dracaena, which is in the agave family.

660
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,700
Uh, those are short and there's always some little dead leaves.

661
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:51,580
They just won't burn up.

662
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,320
Now, bamboo is one of your tallest grasses and there's always some dead involved in there.

663
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,060
And I've seen the bamboos up at Kincaid Fire in Santa Rosa.

664
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,640
They didn't want to burn up.

665
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,240
Amazing.

666
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,100
Um, that one was really nice and clear.

667
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,080
So I had to keep it.

668
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,040
And everybody's probably seen the Jeep on TV or wherever.

669
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:16,060
Did they look at the rims and the hood, the windows, where the heat source come from to do that?

670
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,660
And they always say, well, the gas, the gas exploded.

671
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,600
No, if a car exploded, it'd be in pieces.

672
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,160
There'd be big old areas bent out and ripped out.

673
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,400
I've not seen any cars in chunks yet.

674
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:27,860
Nowhere.

675
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,360
Um, the gas might even still be in it.

676
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:32,020
How about that?

677
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,280
That would be something to investigate.

678
00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:35,500
Excellent point.

679
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:38,980
I don't know because I don't crawl under there, but look at your aluminum rims.

680
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:41,640
What melted them five feet from the Jeep?

681
00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:46,300
Where's the fuel to keep it melting at 1221 degrees?

682
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:48,180
What, where'd it come from?

683
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:49,000
Not those trees.

684
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,140
And many of these cars are sitting by themselves.

685
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:57,540
So I guess this is your main street down the coast there by the ocean.

686
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:59,240
Every car is the same.

687
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,820
The paint's always gone.

688
00:37:00,820 --> 00:37:02,380
It doesn't matter where I go.

689
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,580
They all look the same.

690
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,420
Very, very sad.

691
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,380
Um, the background here is what I wanted more than anything.

692
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,940
Those are all eucalyptus back there.

693
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,500
Most combustible leaves on the planet, but they didn't want to catch fire.

694
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:19,900
So the forest didn't burn the town and the town didn't burn the forest.

695
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:22,620
Perfectly stated.

696
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,660
There's, there's one black four by four, I guess, right there.

697
00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:29,480
And perhaps the fire department gets there early or not.

698
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,740
There's a partial house.

699
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:33,380
I really, I rarely ever find a partial house.

700
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,880
So possibly the fireman did get there and get it out.

701
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Um, there's been a ton of talk about the blue.

702
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:43,080
I can't elaborate on the blue itself.

703
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,680
Um, but this is synthetic.

704
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:48,920
This whole building is burned down to metal.

705
00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:50,760
The palms, they didn't want to burn.

706
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:53,100
Why didn't this synthetic burn?

707
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,720
And where are the flying embers they talk about every second?

708
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:56,860
Where are the holes?

709
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:58,380
It's very doubtful.

710
00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:59,680
These are made of asbestos.

711
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,280
I've never heard of umbrellas made of asbestos.

712
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,760
Well, these days they're telling us that asbestos is flammable, right?

713
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:08,100
Yeah, sure.

714
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,840
You can, uh, have a four, you know, have a, a fire in your fireplace and put a couple of

715
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,200
bricks and some red tile roofing on it.

716
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,080
And yeah, apparently that's fuel these days.

717
00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:21,920
And you can get a flying ember to go a hundred yards out into a harbor and burn a boat up,

718
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,840
but it can't go 20 feet to burn up a thin synthetic.

719
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,660
This is backwards world.

720
00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:28,600
That is such a great point.

721
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,620
This is one hard to find.

722
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:34,320
Cause like I say, they're stealing all of your stuff off your property.

723
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:37,320
When they tell you, you can't go in there until it's made safe.

724
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,020
The safety thing, they put, they put that in everybody's eyes, put it in your brain.

725
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:41,880
You think, oh, safe.

726
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,240
Okay.

727
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:42,740
That's good.

728
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,220
No, they're stealing everything off your property.

729
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,360
They didn't see this one for whatever reason.

730
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,380
I don't know if a drone got in there or what, but maybe it's melted a little bit,

731
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:53,420
but this should be a pool of plastic.

732
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:58,820
So there's the plastic that I always look for right on the computer.

733
00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:02,240
The tree probably burned at the ground level and fell over.

734
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,360
What would burn it at the ground level?

735
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,060
That's where I say the ground itself is on fire,

736
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:14,260
either from the metals that are in it and or the moisture content in the root system and in the earth.

737
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:15,480
There's always some water.

738
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,200
I had to get back to some of my photos to just make comparisons.

739
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,160
These are the plastics I found at Greenville, California by Mount Lassen, the volcano.

740
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:30,280
The only plastics I found in town, I walked every street I could in town.

741
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,600
This was behind a wall where you couldn't see it from a truck driving by.

742
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,240
So they didn't take it away.

743
00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:37,660
Well, I find it.

744
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,560
There's a little bit of metals in here.

745
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:41,880
So some of this plastic did get melted out.

746
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:44,200
And of course, all the homes are gone.

747
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,320
This was in paradise three years later.

748
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,660
I moved the dog igloo and sure enough, underneath of its dirt, it's been sitting there.

749
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:53,420
I found the other anomalies in paradise too.

750
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,780
Even three years later, one vehicle was down a hill.

751
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,800
They didn't see all the windows were melted out.

752
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Pretty much knew what I was going to find there.

753
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,100
I have a curious story of a lady up there.

754
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,140
She was a rock hound.

755
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,960
Her and her husband were cleaning up their property so they wouldn't get a ticket for

756
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,340
having a fire danger, even though their house was gone.

757
00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:14,420
They're weeding and cleaning up and they're in their 80s.

758
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:18,320
She said she had a rock garden in the back with lots of weird quartz crystals.

759
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,740
She went to look at them and she saw them before they kicked her off her own property.

760
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,460
And the quartz were melted and partially turned to dust.

761
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:31,460
Quartz is rocks, maybe glass, but it's rocks flat on the ground.

762
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,760
They were melted and half like chalky.

763
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:38,360
I heard that and I wanted to get a picture, but they took the rocks away.

764
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:39,340
Amazing.

765
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,320
Amazing.

766
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:41,640
Scrubbing all the evidence.

767
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:42,380
Yeah.

768
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,820
And some of them get lazy like this one.

769
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:46,380
Maybe somebody called in sick.

770
00:40:47,060 --> 00:40:49,020
Three or four houses or cabins here were gone.

771
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,780
Here's the two tallest trees in the world, the coastal redwood and the Douglas fir with a P22 on it.

772
00:40:55,780 --> 00:41:02,620
They collected all the plastic from the homes here, bags, fencing, the weird little cart there.

773
00:41:03,020 --> 00:41:04,300
Everything you see here should have burned.

774
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,280
Wood in the back behind the plastics, even across there, the tarps across there.

775
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:10,680
Those were there before.

776
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Everything else is burned up.

777
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:17,340
But the trees of Douglas fir is the tallest of the whole pine family.

778
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,960
And of course, the second tallest tree in the world.

779
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,380
It's flammable like a pine.

780
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Didn't burn that day.

781
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,380
But here's your materials.

782
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:26,600
I found this.

783
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,620
The Lake Sonoma area.

784
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:29,860
That's amazing.

785
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:30,580
Incredible.

786
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,460
I don't know where this one was.

787
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,060
I've seen it before and I found it finally.

788
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,140
House is just gone.

789
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,220
Here's your plastics everywhere you look.

790
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,120
And I don't believe somebody just collected them and put them there.

791
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,560
Uh-uh.

792
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:42,480
All your trees are wilted again.

793
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:45,520
A sycamore on your left, which holds a ton of water.

794
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,660
It's usually in your riparian corridors by creeks.

795
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:52,160
On the drought-tolerant side, sycamore, even though it loves water and it holds a ton.

796
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,940
I wish I could go there and see the trees.

797
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,640
Here's your plastics.

798
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:57,360
Oh, boy.

799
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Untouched again.

800
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:00,060
Even on the table back there.

801
00:42:01,140 --> 00:42:03,220
And the garden hose coming from the house.

802
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,780
The garden hose is burned at the spigot because the spigot's on fire.

803
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:07,900
It's metal.

804
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,180
This is an old one.

805
00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:11,140
I believe it was Santa Rosa.

806
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:12,780
I'm sorry it wasn't clear.

807
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:15,980
Here's my big basin trip.

808
00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:20,040
In California, we have a state park south of San Francisco with redwoods everywhere.

809
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,740
They took the park away from us for two years.

810
00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:24,900
And all the redwoods, they say, burned up.

811
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Well, they didn't.

812
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:26,720
The trunks were black.

813
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,720
The needles didn't burn.

814
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,880
And down here by Highway 1, out of the redwood zone, it's still park.

815
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,960
But this is a grove of blue gum eucalyptus that I spoke about before.

816
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,200
Arguably one of the most flammable leaves on the planet.

817
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,040
As you can see, they're touching the ground here and there.

818
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,660
The grass burned by them.

819
00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:46,080
Turned the trunks black.

820
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:48,020
Didn't burn one leaf.

821
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,260
Let me show you what a cigarette lighter can do.

822
00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:53,680
I'd better be running if I let these on fire.

823
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,600
So we have the wrong fire.

824
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:56,820
The wrong type of flame.

825
00:42:57,020 --> 00:43:01,200
I don't know the exact components of the flame.

826
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:02,880
But this is not a normal flame.

827
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:05,260
Unless those trees would be gone and be sticks left.

828
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,920
I had to get to this one.

829
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:10,920
Here's your two tallest trees again in the world.

830
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:14,800
Coast live oak and Douglas fir of the pine family.

831
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:18,580
Notice the middle of the trees are a different color.

832
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:19,400
Some are red.

833
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:19,980
Some are dry.

834
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:21,420
That's the heartwood.

835
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:24,560
The non-conductive dry tissue or dead.

836
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,160
The live tissue.

837
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,800
The sapwood is around the perimeter.

838
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,040
And most of them, it's a white shade.

839
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:30,780
A lighter shade.

840
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,320
That's what's the live tissue.

841
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:35,120
The biggest one here is only three feet across.

842
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,740
Why is there 50 to 80 percent heartwood in these baby trees?

843
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:45,840
The way they're showing the heartwood here, these would be 10 or 15 foot diameter redwoods to have that much heartwood.

844
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,960
These are less than 40 years old and they're over 50 percent heartwood.

845
00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:53,140
Tells me they were cooked from the inside out.

846
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:56,220
And the cracks, those are recent, the tiny cracks.

847
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:58,740
A normal one's up on the far left.

848
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:01,880
A little bit of brown in the middle and most of it was sapwood.

849
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:02,940
That's a normal one.

850
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:05,100
That's the stuff I cut every single day.

851
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,020
These other ones, they were cooked from the inside out at what rate, I don't know.

852
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,080
But they might be all set to go to the lumber mill.

853
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:14,820
They dried very efficiently.

854
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,100
I think these end cracks are just from sitting for a week or two.

855
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:19,420
They dry up pretty quick.

856
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,040
But to me, they're going off to the lumber mill and somebody's going to make profit off them.

857
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:31,480
That's amazing, Robert, that that is just factual evidence that you are seeing.

858
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,740
Any arborist should know this in a second.

859
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:34,880
Wow.

860
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,600
This is simple stuff.

861
00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:37,500
Amazing.

862
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:40,620
The sapwood on the perimeter, the heartwood or dead tissue is in the middle.

863
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:44,320
These are acting like in human years, an 80-year-old.

864
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,440
In redwoods, of course, it might be 1,000 to 1,500 years old, but that's way too much heartwood.

865
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:57,520
So when you talk about being cooked from the inside out, we know that, just a reminder,

866
00:44:57,660 --> 00:45:00,920
when you're heating up your food in the microwave oven, that's exactly what happens.

867
00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:01,700
That's right.

868
00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:04,700
Here's one of your giant bluegums up in the Kincade Fire.

869
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:06,360
I'm standing on a paved road.

870
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:13,820
This thing was seven feet tall on its side, 130 feet long, no leaves burned up, cooked from the inside out.

871
00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:18,820
And I've never seen a cavity in a eucalyptus tree, any species, and I've never seen a hole.

872
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,420
Even coming back years later, where I saw a tree, I cut a limb off.

873
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,440
There's never a hole.

874
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,500
They compartmentalize their wounds well and make heartwood.

875
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,780
So there's not, you can't say flames got in the inside through a hole.

876
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,060
That doesn't happen.

877
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,400
33 years of doing tree work.

878
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,000
What is likely here is this metal post to the right, the T-post.

879
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,760
There's one behind the trunk touching it.

880
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,780
I'm wondering how hot that metal post got to do this damage.

881
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:48,120
Also, this is cattle country.

882
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:55,600
The cattle truck has to come by and throw hay over the fence because there's cattle have eaten the grass down to an inch tall.

883
00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:59,620
So where's the combustible materials to warrant burning this thing up?

884
00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:03,180
You could walk through a gas fire, a forest fire like that.

885
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:08,640
If it's just one inch grass, put on your, whatever they call them, your fire gear and walk right through the fire.

886
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,020
And on the other side, it's out.

887
00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:11,700
Better have a mask on too.

888
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,760
You get to breathe the smoke.

889
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,960
But one inch grass doesn't put out giant flames to do this.

890
00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:17,980
That's impossible.

891
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:22,720
So your liquids were on fire in this eucalyptus.

892
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:26,900
And they are a very flammable oil inside the eucalyptus.

893
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,080
But this one was damning.

894
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,780
The next time I went up there, it was gone.

895
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:32,660
Even the stump.

896
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,100
They took the stump out.

897
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:34,920
Wow.

898
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:36,140
Yeah.

899
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,240
Amazing.

900
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:41,120
And that's where up there I'm finding trees that hang over the road.

901
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,580
They quickly cut them down.

902
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,000
And I see the stumps.

903
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:45,540
Why are they cooked from the inside out?

904
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,760
These aren't old trees that would have a whole bunch of cavities or heartwood.

905
00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:50,540
Uh-uh.

906
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:51,880
It's not like that at all.

907
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,360
That's the mulberry.

908
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:57,080
Lots of liquid in there related to your figs or your ficus in Hawaii.

909
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:58,560
The big one, the banyan tree.

910
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:00,920
They both have white sap for juice.

911
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:01,980
A lot of it.

912
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,340
You cut them down, they're dripping everywhere.

913
00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:06,340
Why did this burn from the inside out?

914
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,720
And the bark flew off of it.

915
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:09,480
Grasses didn't burn.

916
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:11,640
It was all about the liquids.

917
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:13,820
That was a mobile home park.

918
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,900
So I'm seeing this everywhere I go.

919
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,340
This is a young blue oak at the Oak Fire, western Yosemite area.

920
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:24,980
This was the mosquito fire on the way to Lake Tahoe on Highway 80.

921
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,600
No trees burned up.

922
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,140
Uh-uh.

923
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,360
Some black oaks on the far left, I think they hold so much water in them.

924
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:33,360
Those appear to be burned.

925
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,980
And all the ponderosa pine here, that's mostly what I see.

926
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,300
And there's a young sugar pine in there.

927
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:41,960
They didn't burn up.

928
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:43,860
Needles touching the ground.

929
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,440
They refused to burn.

930
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,840
And look at the vehicles.

931
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,080
Rims melted out.

932
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Windows.

933
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,640
Same thing.

934
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,300
And the tires was very important to me.

935
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:55,380
It's one of the key features.

936
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:57,040
There's your steel belts.

937
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,560
I never find rubber.

938
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,180
Ever.

939
00:47:59,580 --> 00:48:01,980
The rubber is always gone in their steel belts.

940
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Or I find a tire, maybe one out of 200, like this.

941
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:07,200
Same area.

942
00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:11,980
And to be played devil's advocate, I pick it up to see if somebody rolled it there.

943
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Nope.

944
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:13,900
There's a ring in the soil.

945
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:15,340
It's been sitting there for a long time.

946
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:17,120
Why didn't this rubber melt?

947
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,860
Then I see that.

948
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,360
I change lenses and put a close-up lens on my camera.

949
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:22,720
Polyester cord.

950
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:24,080
So that struck a nerve.

951
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:30,320
I guess there's one steel cord around the edge, a bead to hold it on the rim.

952
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:34,160
But maybe not enough metal to get that kind of melting.

953
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:40,900
It's one or the other, like that, untouched, and I find the label, or it's just gone.

954
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:43,680
Sorry, rubber.

955
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:45,660
The polyester would tell us it's plastic.

956
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:46,720
Yeah.

957
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,100
Okay.

958
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:54,340
It doesn't have enough metal to ignite because the metal is on fire, and that's why the rubber is always completely gone.

959
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,040
Here's your big basin state park around the perimeter.

960
00:48:58,220 --> 00:48:59,440
I looked at every house I could.

961
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:04,480
Trees are, some are dead, some are not, some are regenerating, but the needles didn't burn.

962
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,020
Uh-uh.

963
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,840
There's a house to the left that's missing.

964
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,600
There's a plastic swimming pool that didn't burn, and here's those good old canopies.

965
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Where's the flying embers?

966
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,420
I don't see a hole in that one either.

967
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:16,720
Huh.

968
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:17,840
Flying embers.

969
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:20,860
And, of course, this one's one of my most famous.

970
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:24,060
The mobile home park out in our California Delta.

971
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:29,180
Isleton, it's called, on a confluence of the McColumney River in Sacramento.

972
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,660
Nineteen of these coaches burned up.

973
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:34,060
The trees were half-dead looking, but they didn't burn.

974
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,840
But here's the wooden porch going into your door of your mobile home.

975
00:49:39,260 --> 00:49:40,380
That's the door frame there.

976
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:46,020
Why didn't the only wood on the property burn, especially on the side of the coach?

977
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:47,420
It's not even black.

978
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:50,240
And there's some other materials here in the foreground.

979
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:54,160
It shows you the metals are on fire.

980
00:49:55,780 --> 00:49:56,260
Amazing.

981
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,800
Damning photograph.

982
00:49:57,940 --> 00:50:00,000
And they didn't just put it there for the photograph.

983
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,560
This is going up your two or three steps, opening your door, and walking your mobile home.

984
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:07,540
What kind of fire forgets to burn the wood?

985
00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:13,500
And that one's still there, up in Redding, where a lady's in jail for two years now.

986
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:14,400
Yeah, September.

987
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,460
She didn't start the fire.

988
00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:18,380
The nails are on fire by themselves.

989
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:19,460
She had nothing to do with it.

990
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:22,000
She was an innocent victim in the wrong place.

991
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,520
It isn't happening all over.

992
00:50:23,620 --> 00:50:30,640
I don't know about other states, but I've taken note of five or six people in California put in jail for something that's way beyond them.

993
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,980
That's the oak fire also.

994
00:50:33,140 --> 00:50:37,260
There's a tiny nail or brad nail at every blackened spot.

995
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,620
That one was damning.

996
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,400
I saw that and I moved it around to get a better picture.

997
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,180
I put it on the pavement and stood it up.

998
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:45,800
But you can see a few nails.

999
00:50:45,940 --> 00:50:47,280
They were falling out as I moved it.

1000
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:52,560
What kind of fire attacks individual nails and goes out between them?

1001
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,360
My girlfriend saw that one.

1002
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:56,940
Yeah.

1003
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,940
Anyway, that's where I'm going to stop with that.

1004
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,820
Some mountain experiences.

1005
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:04,540
Oh, that's beautiful.

1006
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,380
Now, this is what our nature should be like.

1007
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:09,420
Yeah.

1008
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:10,960
Without all of the...

1009
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:11,500
My whole life.

1010
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:14,060
That's 48 years of mountaineering in the Sierra Nevada.

1011
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:19,180
Oh, that's just beautiful, Robert.

1012
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:26,040
So, if we have any questions, I can stop the sharing here if you'd like.

1013
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:26,800
All right.

1014
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:30,180
Well, that's quite a compelling...

1015
00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:34,180
Yeah.

1016
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,540
If you can click off that there, Robert.

1017
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:36,880
Yeah.

1018
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,180
That is quite a compelling slideshow.

1019
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:44,840
And I just want to thank you for your expertise, for the clarity with which you present everything.

1020
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,180
People need to be aware of this.

1021
00:51:47,180 --> 00:52:03,100
There is something, as you know, called cognitive dissonance, where people find it difficult to set aside what they've always believed or what they've heard or what they were told or what everybody else thinks, even when they're presented with factual information, as you've done.

1022
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:09,000
And one thing that helps people break through this, I think, is when we answer the question, why?

1023
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,900
Why would they, whoever they are, why would they do this?

1024
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,680
What's the point?

1025
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:14,340
Why is it?

1026
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:16,040
We've looked at the evidence.

1027
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:21,800
This is not consistent with a natural wildfire or even natural house fires.

1028
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:31,340
We're seeing combustible material intact, and we're seeing non-flammable material, melted, scorched, singed, obliterated.

1029
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,500
So, those are facts.

1030
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:34,300
That's a reality.

1031
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:36,040
And then the question becomes why.

1032
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,340
So, I've got a list of things, but I'd like to hear from you.

1033
00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:44,240
Why do you think the bad guys, the evil doers, as I call them, what's their point?

1034
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:58,700
Well, this goes back to 1992 when all the countries got together at Rio de Janeiro and signed on to Agenda 21, the new, what do you call it, blueprint for the world for the future.

1035
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:03,380
Get everybody out of the countryside, move them into your mega stack and pack cities.

1036
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:05,220
Don't let you leave.

1037
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:11,500
If I guess you get to drive 15 minutes in any direction, then there's going to be a checkpoint probably.

1038
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:14,420
Take away all our nature completely.

1039
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,560
There won't be any more Yosemite or Lake Tahoe for anybody, and that's a hard pill to swallow, even for me.

1040
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,800
But I see it incrementally happening all over the Sierra and our coast range.

1041
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,420
Parks are making parking lots.

1042
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,680
When there used to be a dirt parking lot, they're shrinking them, so hardly any cars fit in them.

1043
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:39,600
They're making you pay more and more, putting no parking signs on all the main roads so you have to walk a long way to get to your parks.

1044
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,880
They're making you get on the computer to get a permit just to go to the park for the day.

1045
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:46,940
No money, just get a day-use permit.

1046
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:53,380
In the summer now, if you go to Yosemite National Park, even with my annual pass, I go in for free.

1047
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:57,140
Even then, I have to get on the computer and get a day-use permit.

1048
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,320
And many times you can't get it, I hear.

1049
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,780
They're doing that around the San Francisco Bay Area.

1050
00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:02,880
Mirror Woods is one.

1051
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:10,180
The island of Maui itself, the road to Hana, the big 10,000-foot volcano, day-use permit to drive up the road.

1052
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,440
So they're making it incrementally harder and harder to go out.

1053
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,920
Backpacking permits in the High Sierra, they're lessening the number.

1054
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:18,460
So you can't take as many people.

1055
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,020
They're closing areas, making you care.

1056
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:26,080
They're making you do many things to make it hard on you.

1057
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:32,460
And closing dirt roads, four-wheel drive roads, making areas off-limits.

1058
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:40,480
And the other day when I analyzed the fire on Mount Hamilton, they said you have to stay on trails and roads wherever you go in the whole park.

1059
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,360
It's a huge park.

1060
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:43,840
It used to be cattle everywhere.

1061
00:54:44,060 --> 00:54:46,300
And you have to stay on the dirt roads.

1062
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:53,420
So they're constantly putting more signs up, making more rules, making it hard on people to go out and enjoy nature.

1063
00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:56,660
And I'm seeing this everywhere, all over.

1064
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:59,860
And so that's what they want to do.

1065
00:54:59,860 --> 00:55:16,560
The World Billionaires, I call them, or Billionaires Club, have got together, band together, and made up rules, how they want to take over the planet, basically, and leave everything for them and keep us in these controlled megacities where they can do whatever they want to you.

1066
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,280
If they don't like you, they just flip a switch.

1067
00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:20,960
That's about all I have to say.

1068
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:22,160
I don't want to get into too much detail.

1069
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:27,160
Well, that's such an interesting perspective since you are a man of nature.

1070
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:28,680
You've had so many trips.

1071
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,940
You live and breathe.

1072
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:45,240
You know, this is your life, being in nature, studying these trees, doing all of the hikes, and then to hear that they're incrementally making that so difficult that people will get frustrated and they'll start to give up.

1073
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:46,880
Oh, I had something to add.

1074
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,240
Yes.

1075
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,200
What would you like to add?

1076
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,580
I've started doing desert trips, and across from Mount Whitney is the Inyo Range.

1077
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,660
There's 10,000-foot mountains straight across from Whitney on the other side of Lone Pine.

1078
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:59,320
And there's four-wheel drive roads going everywhere up there.

1079
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,060
So I bought the topographical maps so I could see where the mines were, the dirt roads, the wells, the springs, all that.

1080
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:07,300
I bought the maps, and I was so happy, and I looked at them.

1081
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:13,820
All the roads were taken off, all the trails, all the mines, all the wells, the springs, the waterfalls.

1082
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:17,860
There was one major road that went halfway up.

1083
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,040
Everything else was devoid.

1084
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:23,700
It was just a simple topographical map with nothing on it but the land.

1085
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:24,900
They took everything off.

1086
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,320
So you wouldn't know where to go and what to see.

1087
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:28,760
I bought 10 of these maps.

1088
00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:30,520
The whole area was like that.

1089
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,120
They deleted the information so you wouldn't know where to hike or see anything.

1090
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:37,780
And there's mines everywhere.

1091
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:40,780
There was not one mine on all of these maps.

1092
00:56:41,780 --> 00:56:44,080
They weren't of any use to me.

1093
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:45,560
That is amazing.

1094
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,180
That's U.S. Geological Survey.

1095
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:50,880
So there's your feds, another section of them.

1096
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:52,220
Taking things off.

1097
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:55,320
So in the future, was there ever even a mine or a road up there?

1098
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,360
Yeah.

1099
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:00,020
They're making a big case to get us out of the wilderness.

1100
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:05,500
And their key words, of course, is climate change, climate crisis, sustainability.

1101
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,560
Yes, sustainability.

1102
00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:10,120
Every time they open their mouth, they're lying.

1103
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:10,860
Yeah.

1104
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:12,320
We can find those.

1105
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,920
Yeah, sustainability, resilience.

1106
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:21,940
Of course, they want to do these smart cities, which are similar, not exactly the same as the 15-minute cities, although they can be combined.

1107
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:22,760
But we're seeing it.

1108
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,500
We're seeing those high-density buildings go up.

1109
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:28,580
We're seeing people that are not being allowed back to their homes.

1110
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,820
They're being told that it's so toxic that the land is not worth anything.

1111
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:50,220
And then comes eminent domain, which is the government's illegitimate, in my view, it's not really a right, but it's their illegitimate action by which they can say, we are going to take that land because it doesn't even have to be toxic.

1112
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,580
They can just say, we deem that we need it.

1113
00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:56,240
And I promise you that we are going to be seeing more and more of that.

1114
00:57:56,820 --> 00:58:00,880
It destroys – well, it's a takeover of the land, basically.

1115
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:02,220
It's a takeover of the people.

1116
00:58:02,740 --> 00:58:06,240
And then there's the whole kind of terrorism aspect where people are living in fear.

1117
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:21,140
You know, in California, there are so many people that are just under a constant state of dread and vigilance and anxiety because of fire season, which is so strange because it's not really a season.

1118
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,780
But they'll make you be afraid of this.

1119
00:58:23,860 --> 00:58:27,540
So you're constantly, you know, am I going to be hit next?

1120
00:58:27,540 --> 00:58:34,140
Then the insurance costs are out of sight so that you can't get insurance on your home.

1121
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,180
It will be more difficult to be a homeowner.

1122
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,440
And they are in California creating government insurance.

1123
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:46,340
And before you know it, that'll probably be the only insurance available.

1124
00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:48,460
And you'll have to pay what the government says.

1125
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:49,320
I agree.

1126
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,400
Yeah, there's so many side effects that this action results in.

1127
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,800
And sadly, the evildoers are rubbing their hands in glee.

1128
00:58:59,060 --> 00:59:07,520
It definitely promotes – I call it global swarming – this theory that we, the people, have something to do.

1129
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,300
And I'm like, yeah, we, the people, only it's you, the people.

1130
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:13,320
You bad guys are the ones that are manipulating things.

1131
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:13,840
Right.

1132
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,640
Also –

1133
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:16,020
Go ahead.

1134
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:24,140
Our Sierra Nevada here, our biggest mountain range in California, in the last seven to ten years, they've made fires everywhere and burned millions of acres.

1135
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:26,140
This year, there hasn't been any.

1136
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,180
And usually they do September, October, or even November.

1137
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:30,500
November 8th was paradise.

1138
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,220
So we still have this hot spell today, tomorrow, and the next day.

1139
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,400
And there'll probably be one more hot spell.

1140
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:42,860
So I have the feeling they're going to do a fire somewhere in our whole Sierra because that's what they do every year.

1141
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:50,040
And incidentally, when we were talking about Canada, in May and June of Canada, they burned over 20 million acres.

1142
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:54,080
And that's springtime up there with – you don't have forest fires in April or May.

1143
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,600
I've talked to many folks up there.

1144
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,840
And now they're up to 48 million and a half acres burned in California.

1145
01:00:01,940 --> 01:00:02,420
It's the record.

1146
01:00:02,540 --> 01:00:03,500
They've never had that much.

1147
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,240
And I've analyzed a lot.

1148
01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:06,200
People have sent me stuff.

1149
01:00:06,340 --> 01:00:07,380
It's the same thing.

1150
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:11,300
Many of the fires are set at the same time and in a line.

1151
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,520
If you look at satellite pictures, they're in a perfect line.

1152
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,180
Wow.

1153
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:16,980
No clouds in the sky, no lightning.

1154
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:17,720
How'd that happen?

1155
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,400
Same with the Australian fires a year or two ago.

1156
01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:21,980
There was this big line of them.

1157
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,520
So people need to study everywhere they can.

1158
01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:30,460
And I always say get into these places as fast as you can and take pictures of everything.

1159
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,260
Share them everywhere.

1160
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:32,720
See what they're bringing in.

1161
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,380
See what they're bringing out and find out who's the CEO of all these companies.

1162
01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:45,300
The water company, the phone companies, the sheriff, who's the top person there, your mayors, your governors, and everybody in high entities.

1163
01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:48,300
They're all told what to do, every single one of them.

1164
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,560
You're lucky if there's a good guy out there that actually speaks for the public.

1165
01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:54,020
And if he does, that's the one they're after.

1166
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:57,880
Now, people are always going to say, what can we do?

1167
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,740
And I do want to leave on a couple of notes.

1168
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:03,200
Give me a couple of ideas, Robert.

1169
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:03,800
What do you say?

1170
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,860
You're doing it right now.

1171
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,840
You're bringing education.

1172
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:06,920
You're informing people.

1173
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,420
Well, we need to group together.

1174
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Don't have a central leader.

1175
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,160
No captain of the team.

1176
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:17,300
Everybody shows up together at all your meetings, even to go into these places and analyze the place.

1177
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,180
Come in there with 1,000 people.

1178
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,280
Walk around into the line and take pictures.

1179
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,860
What are you going to do to 1,000 people or more?

1180
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,060
Everywhere you go, lots of people.

1181
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:27,200
And everybody has cameras.

1182
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,180
You have to group together, not one by one.

1183
01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:31,000
They just stop you.

1184
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:32,920
So that's the biggest.

1185
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:33,900
Strength in numbers.

1186
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:34,740
That's what I always say.

1187
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,140
And showing up at these meetings and sharing the information, it's very powerful.

1188
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:45,180
There were several people that gave testimony at the Build Beyond Barriers working group.

1189
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:51,240
And that was in Honolulu on Oahu.

1190
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,400
And here they were having a conversation about Maui, and they weren't even on Maui.

1191
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:02,240
And people came up, and they, at first, were not even going to allow any public testimony, which is illegal.

1192
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:03,700
So then they did.

1193
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:10,000
And then the woman who was in charge of this, who was appointed by the governor, illegally, I might, well, the appointment wasn't illegal.

1194
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,000
But the whole group was illegal because it was sidestepping the legislature.

1195
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,720
But what happened is she ended up resigning.

1196
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,800
Now, I don't know whether that was orchestrated or she was the fall guy or what.

1197
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,080
But the point is it brought so much attention in really on the national level.

1198
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:34,200
And what we've got now is we've got more and more people awake and aware and willing to go to these meetings to share videos like this.

1199
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,660
So thank you, everyone, for sharing this video.

1200
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,360
I will have a link to the previous videos that I've done with Robert where we talked.

1201
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:42,180
We did a lot.

1202
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:51,880
You did a lot of analysis on looking at California and what was happening and giving that as clues for Canada because it was happening right at the moment.

1203
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:52,860
We didn't have photos.

1204
01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:56,080
But if you're interested in this, I've got a fires playlist.

1205
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,880
I've got a Maui fires playlist, a separate one, and keep educating others.

1206
01:03:02,140 --> 01:03:03,960
And then, of course, be prepared on your own.

1207
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:10,000
If you see that danger is happening, you need to have your emergency plan.

1208
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,040
I've done videos on this.

1209
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:12,860
There are a lot of YouTubers that talk about preparing.

1210
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:17,220
Don't get stuck into the spin cycle and the sky is falling, but be prepared.

1211
01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:18,520
Have your go bag.

1212
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,660
Know where you can meet with others.

1213
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:22,260
Have some kind of emergency plan.

1214
01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:24,380
And I'm telling you, that's going to give you peace of mind.

1215
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,220
I do need to wrap up.

1216
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,720
I've got my next video coming up.

1217
01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:30,480
Thank you so much, Robert, for being on board.

1218
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:40,980
And let's bring you back in a couple of weeks when more and more photos are coming out, when we're seeing hopefully nothing happen anymore in California for this year.

1219
01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:48,680
I also believe that because our eyeballs are on these events, we've seen them in Greece.

1220
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,300
It's happening in other countries.

1221
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,220
More and more people speaking out.

1222
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:57,040
I am sensing, aside from Lahaina, a little bit of backpedaling.

1223
01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:59,400
Like, okay, let's regroup a little bit.

1224
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,280
We'll have to be a little clever next time.

1225
01:04:01,740 --> 01:04:03,020
So keep the pressure on.

1226
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,360
We've got to rattle their cages.

1227
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:21,920
And if anything, at the very, very least, we can ideally try to, those that are responsible for this, there would be nothing better than for them to repent of their evil ways and to walk away from this.

1228
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:24,400
Maybe even be a whistleblower for what's happening.

1229
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:25,920
That is what I would like to see.

1230
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,020
And that can really help bring that whole house of cards down.

1231
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:33,620
So signing off now, Robert, thank you, my friend, for being on board.

1232
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,100
We'll be back again soon.

1233
01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:36,540
Thanks, everybody, for tuning in.

1234
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,320
I look forward to seeing you in an upcoming broadcast, always over at thehealthyamerican.org.

1235
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:41,960
Take care now.

1236
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:42,740
Bye-bye.

1237
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:43,160
Bye.