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Hello everyone, I'm Tracy and I'm here with Shane and our special guest Robert Brame.

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He is a forensic arborist. He's been studying plant life for over 50 years. He's visited 43

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fire aftermaths and has taken 121 trips to these locations and been studying plant life for at

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least 50 years backpacking all over the country and studying these fires for seven years. So

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thank you so much, Robert, for being here. Before we get started, please subscribe if you haven't

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already and like, comment, and share this video so we can let as many people know what's really

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going on here. So with that, I'll introduce Robert and welcome Robert. Well, howdy, how are you doing

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today? Very good, thank you. So share, share with us the information that you've collected and I know

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you're familiar with, you know, kind of what I've been reporting on. Right. So, and I know you have

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a lot of great images, so I'll let you. Yeah, out of all these aftermaths, these 43, perhaps three or

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maybe four were natural occurring fires that we know of that I might have seen somewhere in the

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high Sierra. Generally, in 50 years, backpacking the whole Sierra at all elevations, maybe I've seen

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one forest fire and it never chased us out of the mountains. Now, they shut down the Pacific Crest

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Trail, close huge areas, and burn up to a million acres statewide. Every year, it's the same thing.

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So it piqued my interest seven years ago when I saw some pictures of Santa Rosa and they didn't make

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sense to me. Anyway, my background is studying all wildflowers, ferns, shrubs, vines, and trees.

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And mostly natives, but in the last 33 years, everything imported to California, I've learned

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a great deal of plants. That's what I've always done. So I'm going to share my screen here.

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Does that fill up the page well? So I like to start with this photo because people are wondering

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what a real forest fire looks like. People in the city have no clue. This is common for a horrific

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firestorm. This is what's left. They all look like this. There's nothing left. Perhaps this was a year

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or two before because the plant life's growing back already. But it burns the twigs, the needles,

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the branches, even the trees will burn down, sometimes to a low stump or even a hole in the

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ground. This is what a common one looks like to me. Not like this one. This is, there'll be some

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photographs in my showing here that are from the air. None of those are mine. They're all from various

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people. I just borrow them off the internet. This was the big coffee park fire in Santa Rosa.

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In 2017, where 4,700 homes were turned to white ash. Incidentally, when I get to these locations,

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it's rare I find any blackened wood. Normal house fire, put them out. There's always a degree of

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black and carbon. And here, no. I've been to a lot of aftermaths now. And none of them had a house

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that had any, well, it was almost all white. Rare to find black.

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Why is that? Why is everything reduced to white ash versus?

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Well, I'm going to have to say it's because of the extreme heat. But that's my educated guess. It's a

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different kind of flame. To me, these are microwave-based flames. It's in that arena. I don't know the

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composition of these flames, but they don't work very well in organic material. The organic material

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dries out, turns a light shade of green, maybe even brown, but it never really burns up like a normal

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forest fire. Unless it's in really close proximity to any metal or even water, like a creek, riparian

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corridors. I've noticed those trees will be decimated also. And I believe that's just the water is a

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conduit for these electrical weaponry, for lack of a better term. I mean, here's Santa Rosa. This was a

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firestorm. They told the public the fire was moving eight or nine football fields a minute.

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And look at the trees. Why aren't they missing along with the houses? Many of these are pine

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family relatives. Eucalyptus against that road there, or whatever that is against the road.

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Those are eucalyptus back there, the round ones. Those are so flammable, a cigarette lighter in your

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hand can light those on fire. A green leaf, light them right on fire. And I've not seen that in all the

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aftermath. I don't find eucalyptus trees burned up. That's some street.

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Is that why in Maui, the boats, is that why you think all the boats burned on the water?

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Yes. Whoever's directing these weapons, they might go to the right or left farther than they need to

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or whatever. But that's what I believe got the boats. I don't believe flying ashes went out there

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and lit these boats on fire. I believe there's a lot of metals on the boats. And that's actually

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what was combusting. The reaction that the microwave technology has on the metals, whether

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they're ferrous or not. I don't believe they're flying an ember story at all. Yeah. This is another

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one of Coffee Park. And you just take a good look. Show me the burned trees. Show me the forest fire.

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Incidentally, most news channels are deleting the word forest now. They just call them wildfires.

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Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. But this is the first one I ever saw seven years ago. And the first thing I saw

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is, well, why are these trees like this? I was going to hike up there in one of the hills. And this came up

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on my Google images. Showed my brother. We talked about it. Nothing made sense. So I went up there

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two months later and my eyes fell out of my head. Nothing was normal. I was up there eight hours

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for a good year. Santa Rosa right here too, right? What's that? Is this Santa Rosa?

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Yes. Santa Rosa, the Coffee Park area, a big development. Somewhere in the next six months or

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a year, I finally found a video where somebody saw what I did. That's John Lord, the fire captain,

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and Matt Dakin. They analyzed paradise three different times and did five videos with Shelly.

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All three are friends or mine now. And sadly, sadly, we lost John Lord about two years ago.

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Various problems with his health. Two great people. Together, they have 60 combined years of fire

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service, both fire captains. Yeah. And that's seven years ago. So I started studying materials.

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What are the melting points of all these materials? And I saw auto glass approximately

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melt out at 2,500 degrees. And that's to start melting. To actually flow like this and go down

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on the street or inside the car, perhaps it goes up higher to 2,700. Not sure. Yes.

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The two fire captains told me in their combined 60 years, they've never, ever seen a window melt out.

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Incidentally, every fire I've been to, all these 120 trips, not one window has been intact. Every single

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one has melted out. No exceptions. Same with the aluminum rims or alloy rims. They melt out at 1,221

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degrees and perhaps more to flow down the street. I have this piece at home and I think they were a

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stack of aluminum or alloy rims. Probably two in this one because I can barely lift it.

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Kind of a pretty grotesque looking thing. These things will flow 20 or 30 feet from a car

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when there's nothing on the ground to keep them melting. That's a high temperature,

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but they keep flowing right across the dirt. Amazing. And every aluminum and alloy rim I've seen,

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without exception, they've all been melted to some degree. Is it possible that maybe the ground is

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also causing the melting or you think it's the actual metal itself that's being... The ground

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itself? I think the ground would be more fused everywhere and I would have seen more signs of

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that because there are metals present in the parent soil itself. It's like miners. They start digging up

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and they can find all the different elements in a cup of soil. But I think you'd have to have

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higher amounts of one of the metals in the soil, you know, a deposit, if you will, where it might fuse

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and turn into a melted puddle in the ground. I think there's not enough of it in one area.

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So who knows? This is the Kincaid fire aftermath where they burned a 20,000 square foot winery to the

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ground and left the metal roof and the rock walls. It was a half mile away from the fire. The fire was

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over on the mountainside. This building is in the middle of a vineyard. There's nothing there to

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burn. And around the perimeter, I found these homes and cars and such. You'll notice any of the photos

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I took. The trees didn't burn. It doesn't matter what species.

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And then something else, the door handles. Can you explain why the door handles are always missing?

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Yeah, they're always melted out and just gone. I'm not sure of their composition. Were there a type

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of metal? They must be a light gauge of metal, but I don't know what they are. They're always missing.

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I've never even seen where they go. I think they're just, I don't know, maybe drip on the ground into a

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tiny puddle or they just disappear. These weapons are very powerful. You can't even tell what this car

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was. It looks like a T-top. Yeah, that's about all you can tell. Just amazing what's going on. And everywhere

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in the background, the forest didn't burn. Uh-uh. And these are valley oaks back here.

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Took Deborah Tavares, I always refer to her as the great Deborah Tavares, took her aftermath with her

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husband, Lou, that photographs everything. And also my friend, Matt Dakin. A couple of houses here and a metal

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shop in the back, just gone. The forest is primarily valley oak, blue oak, and California bay, which is a

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very combustible leaf. I can light them on fire again with a cigarette lighter. They didn't burn.

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Boy, this was a terrible one. There's a bay tree right there. The bottoms will always be burned right

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at ground level. No reason for that. Grass couldn't do that. Uh-uh. Right. A lot of flames to do that.

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Now they're being cooked right where they're at. This was an entire bay forest and I couldn't find one

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leaf burned. And somehow the leaves turned black. You'll notice the bottoms of these little suckers

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here. They're black. I don't know if that's a slow cook or what, but I showed my kids on a barbecue,

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little barbecue, we're going to do some hot dogs. And I went down and made a stick for marshmallows

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because these have straight sticks. We pulled off 10 or 20 leaves, made our stick, took the leaves over,

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put them in the barbecue. I said, stand back. In seconds, the whole thing went up. That's what

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bays do. Very flammable oils. Almost every tree here is a bay. They didn't burn, but the ground did.

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Flames everywhere. They couldn't ignite a bay tree. My eyes fall out of my head every time I see these

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pictures. This is the Carr fire. I don't remember how many years ago, five or six, out of Redding,

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California. It was a large fire. I can't tell the species of all these. Some are eucalyptus.

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Perhaps the rest are oaks. Even in the grass fire, they're hot enough to turn trees brown for at least

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20 feet in the air. Didn't happen that day. Houses and outbuildings here are burned to white ash again.

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Trees might be dead, but they're just a light shade of green. To me, they're a vegetable in the

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microwave being cooked, sucking the water out of them. That's just my idea. It's only a grass fire

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here. You can tell this was just grass. And it might even have been kept up with a tractor, lawnmowers,

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weed eaters, whatever. And they took all these buildings around, away.

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So those were homes?

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Homes on the left and in the background. Possibly it's a ranch with a few outbuildings and a home

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to your left. I'm not sure. Telephone poles always burn at the bottom. A lot of times they're just

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hanging, like in paradise. They're hanging from the wires. Telephone poles are not in brush.

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They're in gravel, cement, side of the road. There's not much around them. Yet every time I see them,

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they're hanging or burned at the bottom.

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We saw that in Maui, too. Those are the first things to go, the power lines.

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Yep. This is back to that Kincaid fire. Finding out many trees are cooking from the inside out.

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These were probably hanging over the road, and one of the crews came out and said, all right,

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we got to get rid of it. This one does have a small opening, but most, they're burned on the

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inside, and there's no hole to get a flame in there. And the outside's okay. You look down below,

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it's not even black. Right. That's like backwards. Usually I say, everything that should burn in

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these fires doesn't, and everything that shouldn't burn does. It is backward. Everything's backward.

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Doesn't matter what the species is, they'll be burned from the inside out. Generally,

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the ones that hold the most water, and I mean really liquidy water, the extreme waters are the

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water lovers are the worst, but the oaks, they hold a ton of water when I cut them down. Water will

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spurt up one inch out of the trunk. Well, water in a microwave heats up the bastard in Chile.

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And the pines are doing the same thing, but at a slower rate. They're more combustible. The sap

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will ignite at 193 degrees. And the pines aren't burning. Uh-uh. This was a split rail fence in the

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Kincaid fire that somebody built. These were pretty tall, seven, eight feet, kind of a homemade thing.

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The only place they burn is at the ground and wherever the metals were. The backside of this is

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burned because of the T-post they hammer in the ground. But I got the nails. I find this

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everywhere. Yeah, I've seen this many times. The minute I see it, there we go. What fire does

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that? A normal fire would burn the post from the bottom up, not skip spots. No, they favor the

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metals, of course. Right. Those are elm leaves on the ground. I can usually tell a plant the minute

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I see it. These all come from various fires. I just had to show how many of these I see. I've got

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over a thousand photos. Easily. Whether they're painted or not, the same thing happens. Guard rails. This is

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just one of the better ones. The ground burned. And you know, in a guard rail, there's nothing under

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them. You're lucky to even find them in grass. It's gravel. It's dirt. There's nothing there to

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warrant this kind of burn. No way. And especially around a bolt. Uh-uh. That one's not mine. And

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they want to see it's a lightning strike. Uh-uh. I've seen plenty of lightning strikes in the high

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Sierra. They hit the tree, go right to the ground. Sometimes they go out. They're so instantaneous.

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Or they're on fire. They don't cook from the inside out. That one's on the media.

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I want to say three or four years ago, we had the entire San Francisco ridge lines on fire,

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every side of the bay. This was the Mount Hamilton or Diablo range from Livermore, California

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down to Pacheco Pass. And most of the range east and west from San Jose to Tracy. They really burned

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the whole range. These posts, this one in particular, this is six months later, I guess.

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Spring has already passed. It's either May or June. Nothing regenerated under it. No weeds, no grass,

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no tubers, bulbs, rhizomes, rootstocks, corns, no underground seed structures of any kind.

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How did that happen? I believe that pole got so hot, it sterilized the soil. And that's just a guess.

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Whereas a few were like that, others weren't. And so, I don't know, some get hotter than others.

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But that's amazing because seeds can be, you know, three, four inches in the dirt and wait years

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before they come up. The same with your rootstocks. A lot to say about this. This is your big one

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from Berryessa. I can't remember what they call this. It was 70 lightning strikes. They merged them all

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together and they burned from Highway 80, Vacaville, all the way to Calistoga. It's an hour's drive.

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This is Fremont Cottonwood. You've probably heard me talk about this. To me, it's the largest water

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holding capacity in the whole western United States. Nothing beats it. It's in the Willow

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family, king of the Willow family. They can easily be four and six feet in diameter. There's one in

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Carson City, Nevada, probably 15 feet through. They have to be in a spring, lake, creek, riverbank.

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They have to have those roots going right in the water or they won't get very big. This thing was about

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four feet in diameter. In a spring, it fell over, burned from the inside out, and not one leaf burned.

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Oh, yeah.

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I got reports that a week after, the roots were still like coals in the ground.

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That's scary.

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And I was told that's how, that's what happens.

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Not to this guy. This is an extreme water lover. And there's nothing flammable about it

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except the leaves if they're dead. Yeah, that would be your pine family, mostly, or eucalyptus

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or bay, to burn like that. But this guy, no way. And this was a healthy one. I could tell.

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Looks like lightning hit it for an hour. I've never seen anything like it.

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So the Willow family with the cottonwoods, poplars, and aspen at high altitudes. It's a direct relative

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of this. I won't have a picture of that aspen. But the Caldor fire that went to South Shore Tahoe,

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that area, between Highway 50 and 88, the Caldor fire, where they put a father and son in jail,

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that reported the fire. Oh, wow.

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Up there, there was aspen in a couple of high sub-alpine areas. And I got out and analyzed them.

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A few were cut, a few broke. They burned internally again. This is 8,000 feet. You don't see fires up

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there. It's so rare you wouldn't believe it. It's consistently cold, right? That's right.

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Your temperature's low. The combustibility rates. There's no grass like this one.

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This is Isletown. It's a little community with, I don't know how many mobile homes. It's on the

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confluence of the Sacramento and Macaulay River. And it was burning, I think, three years ago. And I

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thought, I'm going to go up and take a look. Hour drive, I get up there, and the firemen were there,

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but they weren't keeping people out. There was even little flames out here. This was a mulberry,

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a direct, well, mulberries and fig trees, same family, both have white juice, a ton of water.

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I've never seen them like this. The bark flew off. It burned right down the middle.

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And it was, they were in lawns because all the coaches had these mulberries for shade.

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The lawn's gone on this one. It just looks like lightning hit it for an hour or something. I've

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never seen them like it. Holds a ton of water. When you cut them down, careful which way you're

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holding your chainsaw, you know, when you slant cut, it'll drip all over you, soak your pants.

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But here, and it wasn't a dead tree. If they tried to pull that, it was all rotten and hollow.

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Uh-uh. Same place.

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A mobile park. I feel like I hear a lot of mobile parks being burned. Have you noticed that?

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That's right. They're targeting the poorest of people that don't have the assets to rebuild.

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Generally, they're older. A lot of them are 55 years old and more, those communities.

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And what do they have to do? They've lost everything. They have to go back to the city

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and live in a stacking pack, rent a one-bedroom place, and maybe go back to work.

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Paradise had 10 mobile home parks. All 10 were eliminated. Very few in those missed their coats

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somehow. And I went up there three years after the fact, and I still found evidence.

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Here's the same mobile home park. 19 of these mobile homes burned up. The trees,

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oh yeah, that last mulberry did. Eucalyptus were there. They didn't burn.

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Here's a coach. This is the way in. You go up the steps, open the door, and walk inside.

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This is the only wood on the property. It refused to burn. And we got huge flames behind it.

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Another one. This is my famous one, especially with all the other materials around it.

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On the side of the coach, that's the door frame to walk inside. On that side, the wood didn't even

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turn black at all. Shows you we're dealing with a different fire. I wish I knew the composition of

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these flames, but it doesn't recognize the organics. The wood should have been black or it should have

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been burned. I mean, normal fires. That stick is plastic probably, and it's not melted.

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I can't speak about the stuff in the foreground, but I don't think they just brought that in there

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and hung it on there. You know, the cord, the gas can, and all these others.

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Right. It looks like there's plenty of plastic in this photo that's intact.

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Yeah. So, you know, I can't talk about this stuff if I don't know, but there's that deck.

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Uh-oh. That doesn't happen. I don't care if they think the wind's blown the other way.

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They pulled that one on me. On the background left, that's eucalyptus, silver dollar eucalyptus.

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Just as flammable as the blue gums. They refused to burn. And there's the fireman back there.

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I talked to them when they had a lady. She was the boss. She didn't know what she was

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talking about at all. And she was the experienced one. Um, the same year that burned the whole

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Bay Area, three or four years ago now, they took away Big Basin State Park where we have

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a lot of redwoods. Here's the outskirts of the park. I'm standing on Highway 1 with the

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Pacific Ocean behind me. And here's a grove of blue gum eucalyptus. Smaller ones, kind of

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narrow and overcrowded. Fire went right through them, right under them, leaves are on the ground.

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It did not ignite. This was shock treatment when I saw this. Um, this should have gone

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up in a horrible inferno and left nothing is the oils, even in the trunk. Um, years

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past, we cut down a big three foot blue gum eucalyptus, take everything away. And the stump

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would ooze the oils up out of it. My friend was a cigarette smoker. He'd take that cigarette

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lighter and light the stump on fire. Just the oils. The whole thing instantly would be

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blue flames. That's the, of course, the sap or oils, but these leaves, a cigarette lighter

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in hand starts these. Unbelievable. It doesn't recognize the organics. Um, that blue flame

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also indicative of, um, that was just the starting of it. The whole stump was blue and then higher

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up, it turned into the normal, uh, yellows and orange. This is up in Calistoga, right next

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to town. A house was missing to my left and here's a soil bag. It had still had soil in

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it. I moved a little bit to see if they put it there. No, there was no leaves under it.

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That was there. The tennis shoe was there and you can see the black. There's black everywhere.

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All these recent oaks and these other leaves fell after the fact, you know, that's all at the same

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location, a cushion for your chair. I pick them up and I move them all. Just, I got to play devil's

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advocate. I don't want to make anything up. Now back to big basin. They wouldn't let me go in the

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park for two years. And now of course, to go in there, even for the day, you have to get on the

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computer, get a day use permit to go outside and play, or you can't go. You can't show up and pay

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the ranger. Nope. Same with backpacking permits. Here's a pile of, you know, redwood trees. To me,

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these are toddlers. This is the tallest tree on the planet, coastal redwood. And when you look at

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the cuts, this is very important. These are 90% dead. They should not have that heartwood. The dark,

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dark area is the heartwood, non-conductive tissue. The white is the sapwood, the live tissue. I've cut

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down trees this size, you know, forever. You're lucky to find any brown in them at all at this age.

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Maybe a tiny little square inch in the middle, dead center. That would be your heartwood. It shows

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me these things were cooked from the inside out. I don't know what, at what rate, whether it was five

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minutes, an hour, or eight hours, but they're cooked from the inside out. And these are toddlers

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when it comes to redwoods. These are maybe, maybe the big ones 100 feet. That's it. And the small ones.

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And I'm finding log piles like this all over. So I'm photographing them. Heartwood and sapwood

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ratios are simple things for arborists. Anybody should know this. The whole background has leaves.

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Dead, but I can't see they're burned. These are the roads going around Big Basin State Park.

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I went to all the homes with my brother. Four or five trips down here. Perhaps this is a year later.

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They're suckering back from roots and lower trunks. A home here is missing. And here's their plastic

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swimming pool. Blue tarps. Some other stuff that's all plastic around here.

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Refused to burn. I think the canopy on your left that collapsed probably had

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metal bolts here and there, and those were on fire. Same property of one of these nice canopies

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with your glass table underneath. Burned everywhere. Not that. And your media giants will always tell you

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the flying embers. Well, where's the holes in this canopy? Right.

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All they do is lie. And all the redwood in the background. They are fire retardant,

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but when a firestorm comes through, it doesn't play favorites. It burns every leaf on them.

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I've used to backpack in the Big Sur area, way in the back country. Once in a while, a natural fire came

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through. It left black poles, limbless, for the redwoods. Then they'd sprout out. Regrow.

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Not so in this fire. No, the trunks are black, and I want to say that's because of liquids

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inside the inner bark, the cambial fluids, if you will. And they're igniting because of the liquids.

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Okay, back to the mountains.

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Robert, real quick, you know the famous banning tree in Maui? They said it burned, but that it's

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it's going to come back. I don't know. I'm not sure. I've heard a lot. I wish I could analyze it.

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Does the banning tree a lot of liquid inside? It does. It's a fig. It's a weed. It's a ficus.

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You know, like our edible figs. That's all it is is a ficus. They grow fast. It's a soft wood.

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They hold a lot of moisture. And it's probably cooked from the inside out and made a whole bunch

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of heartwood, like those redwoods. How much? I don't know. Because the fire was on every

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single side of it burned every building. And that tree looked dead. It's probably cooked

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everything throughout. It has a degree of heartwood. So as it regrows and grows out,

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heartwood can't flex like sapwood in the wind, move around with the wind. It's dead tissue. So when

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it gets too heavy on the ends with new growth and a little bit of wind, they just break. And I fear

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that might happen. One, two, three years down the road, it grows out, gets more weight. It can't sway.

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They just get too heavy and limbs break off. And we'll see. I hope not, because I hear this is

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a beautiful tree. But that's what I see with these things. When there's too much heartwood,

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even residential stuff I do. When there's too much heartwood, somebody's trimmed the

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tree way too much, then it grows back out like an old apple tree. It hollows out. First it gets

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heartwood, it hollows out, and pretty soon there's a giant hole in your apple tree. That's just common.

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There's a group that wants to completely remove the banyan tree because they think it represents

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colonialism. But there might be another reason why they want to get rid of that tree. What's in their

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brain? I say leave it, cordon it off so a branch can't hit somebody. Right. And watch it. Just watch

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it. The easy way out is remove it. That's the easy way out, always. I was told that the tree, 75 to 80 percent of

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it has survived. But they are going to have to cut away about 20 percent of the tree. But it is

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allegedly going to mostly survive. But yeah, they will cut about 20 percent of it. And that hurts it.

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Yeah. Because you cut off X amount of green that corresponds directly to the limbs, the trunk,

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and the roots. So it dies back more when you cut that off. It doesn't have the green to sustain good

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health. Oh, boy. Terrible. This one, I came off of Highway 99. I had to go up to the Shaver Lake

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area. That gigantic fire that almost went to the crest of the Sierra south of Mammoth. Shaver Lake,

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Huntington Lake. This would be the southern fork of the San Joaquin River system. Another gargantuan

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fire. I think it was February. But I went up to the first area I could. And this is all I had to do,

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go to the first house. The windows were melted out. The tires were melted out.

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There was some plastics here. The trees were dead and some kind of burned. But

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this is, it was, that's the only one I kept for that fire. But there was a bunch of cars like this.

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The houses were gone. It was the same stuff. Exactly. So I didn't go any farther. Big fire.

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I can't remember how many homes they burned. And there was a lot of plastics here with the snow

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on them. I had to brush them off and take pictures. But I wanted to go, I don't remember the name

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of it. But Shaver Lake on Highway 168 up there. They gave it a three digit, you know, like LNC or CBS or

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whatever. They give them those numbers now. And then now I'm seeing snow. There was also a fire where

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it snowed during the fire, the Smokehouse Creek fire. It either snowed during or immediately after. The

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Texas one, the Texas panhandle. Oh, all the private cattle ranches. Oh yeah. That worked out real well

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for them. They were cooked as poor cattle. The Russian River comes in. It goes out to the ocean

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north of San Francisco Bay. Back in there, there's an area called the Armstrong Redwoods State Park.

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And there was a fire up there that burns somewhere near Lake Sonoma over the ridges to that

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Armstrong Redwoods Park. I took all the roads I could for a day.

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I came back in here and I find this stockpile of plastics that they're getting ready to take

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off the property. If you get there quick enough, you'll find these. You notice everything here

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didn't want to melt or burn. They've collected other stuff in those black bags. I don't know what.

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But all the garbage cans, all this fencing, all these plastics. If you get there quick enough,

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you can see what's going on. Same fire, I see this chainsaw. I think I have that model.

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In the back of this pickup truck, the window melted out at 2,500 degrees. All the tires burned

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completely, leaving the slinky-like steel belts. Wasn't it hot as heck? Well, of course it was.

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The plastics. That plastic should be gone completely down to the metals. It didn't happen.

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That was an amazing when I looked in that truck. I couldn't believe it.

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Yeah. A cigarette lighter. If you had enough fuel, you could probably melt the plastic. No problem.

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It had a little damage, but from what happened to this window and these tires,

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you don't burn a tire that quick. But with these fires, perhaps they do. I don't know.

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Yeah, that was damning. Over on the border of Nevada, south of Topaz, which is Nevada,

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where they can gamble. You're on Highway 395, the highway that goes up the eastern side of the

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Sierra Nevada. A community called Walker in the Walker River system. Here was a metal shop. The

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house to the right is missing, but it's the metal shop I wanted to look at. Whatever metal workers,

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what he did. All this metal got superheated. And oddly, the tree on the left is a pinion pine,

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the pine nut of commerce that we eat. Those are kind of more flammable than most pines.

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Their high desert, along with their juniper, juniper pinion woodlands. When a fire comes

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through a natural fire, it burns them up completely. It didn't happen this day. And I think there was

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flames all over the place. No pinion. And that's a good sized pinion. They usually don't achieve that

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height. It's rare. Oh, that was scary. Same place. That's just in the foreground, all the tires. That's

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the way your tires look like. And also, Robert, we've noticed that a lot of metals will instantly

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rust. And I noticed a lot of those metals. And you had the reasoning for that. I didn't know. I

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just thought heavy dew or rain, and they'd rust right away. But it's something else.

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Yeah, this rust seems to occur rather instantly. As soon as the fire is passed, it seems like the

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metal is in this state. And it would take a period of time for it to oxidize naturally,

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according to a chemical process. However, it looks like there was perhaps some sort of electrolysis

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that took place that actually rusted these metals almost instantly. Wow.

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Yeah. Yeah, I had no idea. It was above my pay grade.

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There was kids toys all behind here by the house, plastic toys everywhere. But I didn't want to

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overload you with too many photographs. So there's what you see. What's left of the tire. Usually,

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I don't even find this much. I can't even find the black usually. That's the way I find almost

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99% of my tires. Then I find this. In this, I'll say, in the same areas. It could be a hoarder of

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tires in the backyard. 100, 200 tires. And there'll be one untouched. Just like that. Polyester cord.

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I believe there's one steel core right on the edge. One wire to hold it like the bead to hold it on the

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rim. Other than that, these are unaffected. They're not melted at all. And I'll pick them up to see if

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they've been sitting in the dirt. There'll be a ring in the soil. They've been there the whole

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time. No metal. There's your microwave technology. And I've seen that everywhere.

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This is north on 101 by Ukiah, a little town called Calpella. They had a fire there. I want

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to say it was called the Hopkins fire and also near Lake Mendocino. And I walked all over, spent a day

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there. And months later, they put a homeless person in jail and said he did it. Oh, no, no, no. I've got

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heaps of evidence on this one. This is a parking block, homemade, painted red, probably 20 feet long,

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if not more. Every eight feet is where they attach it to a post going in the ground.

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Every one burns only where the bolts are. I have more, but I only put two here.

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Have you noticed that certain colors tend to be less affected? Only the blue. And that's just since

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Maui. And I look back at my photos and I have a lot of play structures and little kids plastic blue

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swimming pools. Blue. So that one's a newer one for me since Hawaii. I've had to

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do that, double check all these old photos. But you've seen that other places. That's a kind of

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thing. Yeah. Yeah. And even in Maui, you look hard enough, I found a play structure and the

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homes were gone. Here's this nice plastic, good size one, too, for a lot of kids. It's in one of

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my videos with Michelle, I think. So there was a so there's a homeless guy they put in jail and threw

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the book at him. I think he's even convicted. Now, this is up at Redding, California. The next fire

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was the Fawn Fire, F-A-W-N, I believe, like the deer. And I happened to go up there on the way to Oregon.

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And anomalies everywhere. Here's a fence line. They all look like this.

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Burned at the nails, burned at the ground. Eucalyptus were up there. It's not that cold of a

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habitat. Eucalyptus are subtropical generally, but they can live in Redding. It doesn't get quite

366
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that cold. They put a lady in jail, Alexandria something, blonde lady, and she was backpacking and

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threw the book at her. I've talked to her lawyer. He wasn't interested in me at all.

368
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Incidentally, he worked for the feds down out of Modesto or Oakdale before he got the job up here

369
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as a public defender. I don't trust these people. So here's that photo. There's a better one that

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might be on the front of my book when it comes out or that one. I like them both. What kind of fire can

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do that? And it's still there. I've been by there twice. This is the same fire. I talked to a

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gentleman that redirected me up this hill. His whole two-story house is missing. I don't see

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one burned tree. There's ponderosa pine, black oak, white oak. There's a deodar cedar to the left

374
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there a little bit. That's pine family from the Himalayas. And a digger pine on the left,

375
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the big multi-branched one. Nothing wanted to burn that day, just the house.

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There's an anomaly. Something else we've been noticing is there's no toilets or bathtubs.

377
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Or windows. The glass I can't find. Right. Yeah. So I just wanted to throw out that aluminum does

378
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start melting at about 1221, like you said. Glass starts to melt at about 2500. But porcelain,

379
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the melting point is much higher than even that of glass. Really?

380
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Yes. I haven't looked that one up. Oh my gosh. Kind of like that day 22, 23 years ago in New York,

381
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where they couldn't find a piece of a toilet. That's right. My girlfriend saw this one. This is,

382
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this is a tall post, perhaps five or six feet high, and way up high, eye level. You can tell

383
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:13,860
the way I'm shooting. Here's this, just the nail area burn, big basin again, the redwoods over on the

384
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coast. She saw that. Boy, I had to get out of the car. Incidentally in big basin. There's two kinds of

385
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alders there. Another very extreme water loving family is the alder family, which have the birch

386
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in them also. And most of our birches are all imported and they're put in front yards, these

387
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white ones. We do have one in California on the eastern side of the Sierra called water birch,

388
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with a brown trunk, small thing. But alders and birch, the alder trees in big basin, they were dead

389
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and they didn't turn black. So much water in me wouldn't believe it, an alder. And again,

390
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they have to be planted right next to a creek, spring, lake, whatever. Because I looked around,

391
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all the redwoods were kind of brown and I saw the alders. First thing I was looking for is the

392
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stream water lovers. That tells me a big story right there. So they burned that park. North of

393
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the mountain, Mount Shasta was a fire. I don't know the name of it. It burned a motel to the ground.

394
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And here's this board full of nails. It was laid on the ground. You can see the print. I picked it up

395
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just so I could show the picture. What really burned? The nails on that board. This is north

396
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of Weed, California, perhaps 15 miles or 20. They burned a motel to the ground. I want to say two

397
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years ago in the San Francisco Bay area where the Sacramento and San Joaquin rivers meet,

398
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in the Benicia area, they go through the strait there. There's a little place called Port Costa,

399
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where the transcontinental railroads used to be floated across in the 1800s. Where they come out,

400
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there's a little park there with a whole grove of blue gum eucalyptus. And anytime there's a fire

401
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near me, I'm going to go look at it just because. And 100% of them have been like this. This little

402
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guard rail is a park guard rail and actually it's all wood. There's no metal here. The cross member,

403
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:59,780
the long ones, and the post are all wood. And each one was burned like this where the screws were.

404
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And there's the grove. Benicia on the far left. The ground's on fire. The trees turn brown.

405
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They refuse to ignite. And oddly, there was some baby elderberries up here,

406
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which are very deep rooted in water lovers. They were toasted right at the ground, one or two inches

407
00:38:16,340 --> 00:38:20,580
up. But this thing should have been hell on earth. There should have been flames everywhere. Didn't

408
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happen. Have you noticed other places like when there's a lake or something that the boats are often

409
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destroyed? The only one I saw, it was on pictures, was the car fire at Whiskeytown Lake, which is west of

410
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Redding. There's a wooden dock going all the way out to the boats out in the middle. The wooden dock's

411
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okay. The boat's out there. Wait, I'm talking 100 or maybe 200 feet out on the water. The metal boats were

412
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all half burned and melted. And you'll see those on the internet. Like, I saw that. That jumped out right away.

413
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This is going over monitor paths, Highway 89 coming down to 395 where Topaz is. And I noticed there had

414
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been a fire. I looked out of my window. I saw that. Had to go up on the hill and get close. The barbed wire

415
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perhaps moves up and down with the wind. But why wouldn't it burn consistently from the bottom up?

416
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:14,820
No, it's the wires. If there's a lot of wrapped barbed wire, that's usually where the worst burning

417
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:22,980
is. Sometimes one strand around it will not ignite it. But still, the burn pattern doesn't make sense.

418
00:39:23,780 --> 00:39:32,340
Do you also find that where you see these wirings, that wire will conduct heat for long distances and

419
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even go into a building? I'm thinking about the Pentecostal church that had that beam that was burned,

420
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but the rest of the church was still okay. So we're thinking the wiring that was going

421
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through the ceiling is what was bringing the fire. Yeah, I believe that there was

422
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external induction induced through the wiring of that building. And there was resistive heating

423
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that heated it up and caught the surrounding area on fire, but only for a couple of inches in each

424
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direction. There was a cable on a railroad trestle. I don't remember the fire.

425
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:12,740
It's either Canada or up in Oregon, Washington, just not too many months ago. It's a railroad

426
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trestle. Here's this cable. The whole thing's on fire. You can find that on the internet.

427
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Yeah. It might also be why in Jasper, the

428
00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:28,980
the appliances bust. Oh, yes. Fort McMurray. Yeah. Fort McMurray had a lot of shorted appliances.

429
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But the house was okay. That was that. That's, is that the only Fort McMurray fire? About what,

430
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five years ago or? Uh, 2016 Fort McMurray, Canada. Yeah, that was the major fire that they had.

431
00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:43,380
Okay. Yeah. That's one of the ones I learned about. So many around the world I've learned about.

432
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:49,380
Um, here's more of the same. I see eucalyptus in here down on the bottom. I don't remember the exact

433
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location, but look at the heart would build up. That's way too much. On the far left up top,

434
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:59,620
you see little brown areas. That's more normal. Small amount of heartwoods. Yeah. That's just

435
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:04,580
arborist 101. These were starting to compost. So these weren't pine. No, these are like oak. Look

436
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at the little areas in the middle. All of a sudden they're black in the middle. Little holes are

437
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:13,140
starting. Now, these are oaks. Looks like most of them. Uh, I can't tell which species, but heartwood,

438
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:19,540
way too much. They're cooked internally. Now, here's our big Dixie fire. Almost a million acres,

439
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:25,780
Green, Greenville, California, took the whole town away, left one gas station and one food store.

440
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:32,820
You're going to guess who owns those. Um, took the whole town away. Oh my God. The whole forest

441
00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:37,460
is dead, but I can't say it's burned. The trunks are burned up. Oh, 70, 80 feet in the air. But look

442
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:46,580
at the needles. This is a ponderosa pine, white fir, red fir, probably a silver pine and could be a

443
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:50,660
Douglas fir in there. They didn't burn up. What kind of forest fire forgot the forest again?

444
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:56,580
Yeah. And they started clearing from the road a good hundred feet or more,

445
00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:59,140
every tree on both sides of the road to make future fire lines.

446
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There's the town. I traveled a lot on this fire footprint. I couldn't believe it,

447
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:11,540
how huge it was. Um, all the trees are dead in the picture, but I can't say they burned up.

448
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:16,900
And here's your city anomalies everywhere. Uh, whoever it was, they took all the plastic garbage

449
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:20,740
cans and got rid of them. So nobody would see the evidence, but I found some brand new ones in

450
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:25,860
somebody's yard with brand new numbers and writing on them. So they did have garbage cans. One of my

451
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:30,260
questions that I asked the public always, uh, if they have that service, they're quick to get in

452
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:38,580
there and get rid of items that should have burned. Um, so that was the Dixie fire, which burned almost a

453
00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:44,820
million acres. And in contrast, I'm sorry. We noticed, uh, recently it's been a lot harder to

454
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:50,580
find those types of, you know, images or video. I just feel like in the short time I've been looking

455
00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:58,020
at it, there's very little to find. They're quick. There was a lot of information. They make sure they

456
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:02,260
keep the public out and say, you can't come back to, we make it safe. Meanwhile, the trucks are coming

457
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:07,140
in empty and they're going out full. It'd be nice if people saw them, followed them, see what they're

458
00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:10,820
dumping, where they're taking it. Somebody's doing this work and they're keeping their mouths shut.

459
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:16,660
And I've caught them in here. I'll show you a pile that's coming up. Oh, here it is. Okay. This is

460
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:23,300
the Oak fire, Mariposa, California, where they put a whole diabetic man that's 71 years old that can

461
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:28,580
hardly walk, who's land rich. He owns a lot of property. They grabbed him and put it in jail at

462
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:34,580
gunpoint. And I happened to go there and analyze it. One of my best days of analyzing, I drove 140 miles to

463
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:40,420
Mariposa and spent the whole day and came home late. It's the same thing. They put this old guy,

464
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:45,700
Edward Wakeerman, in jail. And Tuesday, they had a court case for him to say, hey, should we give him

465
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:52,420
bail or not? It was all about his bail. And they have zero evidence on him. They say they have all

466
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:57,700
kinds of evidence. They never showed any of it. He has 16 felonies against him for this fire that he

467
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:03,540
couldn't have started in his wildest dreams. This board is in my garage now. Since it fell outside in the

468
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:09,700
public area, I figure I'm picking up litter. See the nails in it. There was nine burn spots. Each

469
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:12,900
one had a nail, and I moved it around to take better pictures, and the nails kept falling out.

470
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:17,860
There's still four nails in it. What kind of fire is this that this old gentleman started?

471
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:22,500
It's damning evidence. It's going to be in my book, and his name's going to be in my book too.

472
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:27,300
And these trees with leaves to the ground, they don't want to burn. The water tank up there on the hill

473
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:32,820
melted. And I walked up there, actually looked. There was metal pieces in the areas where they

474
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:38,660
caved in. Little metal fittings and elbows for the water. I've been trying to contact these people

475
00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:42,340
every time I go up now. They've cleared it off and put a mobile home in there. I've left them notes.

476
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:46,020
I think they're afraid to get involved because that board was in the street.

477
00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:50,420
Another property real close. Or is it the same truck? Real close.

478
00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:58,180
Oddly, the people that have that burned up property. The only tree that burned was a

479
00:44:58,180 --> 00:45:02,980
Lombardi poplar, a little five, six-inch diameter poplar, which is an extreme water river down by

480
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:07,700
the road. It burned just at the very bottom. And they removed it and got rid of it.

481
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,540
Was this green piping? Was that there, you think?

482
00:45:11,540 --> 00:45:17,620
No, that's just, you know, contain the area, keep the pollutants from draining down into the

483
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:24,100
watershed. Cosmetic. This was behind a container freight. Oh, inside the container freight,

484
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,820
you wouldn't believe it. Everything looked like just fried completely. Everything in that metal,

485
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:34,260
because they're metal. This was behind a container freight, everything on the property they could find

486
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:41,380
to be hauled away and take, you know, disposed of. Look how many plastics, the little pots,

487
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:46,900
the garden hose, the PVCs, the chair. Whoever collected it and put it here,

488
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:54,020
they probably didn't work the day it was taken away and nobody saw it. Why? Oh yeah. It's not

489
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:59,780
the homeowner. Uh-uh. I don't believe that. There's a B&B up there. And I keep calling them and there's

490
00:45:59,780 --> 00:46:04,820
no answer. I believe their place burned to the ground. It's up a dirt driveway, so I couldn't see

491
00:46:04,820 --> 00:46:09,620
the house. But right here, this is still here on the street. It burned where the bolts and nails were.

492
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:14,180
Big sign. That's another, that's another commonality I'm hearing, like little bed and

493
00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:20,180
breakfasts and a lot of motels. And motels. Targeted. Well, you know who owns all the motels

494
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:27,140
in California? The Mosquito Fire, east of Auburn, California on Highway 80. I saw some pictures,

495
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:32,820
drove up there, crossed the new bridge, the Forestdale Bridge. And most of the roads were open and

496
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:38,740
they didn't take everything out. So here's a predominant ponderosa pine forest. Little short ones and

497
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:43,620
everything. Where the flames are in the needles, they refuse to ignite. And here's your cars. This

498
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:47,060
is a dirt parking lot. I don't believe there was ever grass in it. You know, anything combustible.

499
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:49,940
Same stuff. The rims are melted. The windows are gone.

500
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:57,220
And oddly, down on the left, those are black oaks. They're more of a coniferous zone tree that'll grow

501
00:46:57,220 --> 00:47:02,820
up to perhaps 7,000 feet. And they'll grow up, some of them 100 feet tall. They'll be in Yosemite

502
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:07,860
Valley and compete with the conifers. They hold a ton of water. Those are the ones that burn down there

503
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:13,780
on the left. Smaller leaves are gone. I'm sorry. Let's say they wanted to clear, let's say they

504
00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:21,460
want to clear a fire, a forest to, you know, do something with the land. Would burning it be a much

505
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:28,580
easier process versus doing it without burning it? You'd have to be careful because to burn it,

506
00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:31,940
you have to get the fire up in the canopy and you don't want it up in the canopy.

507
00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:38,980
It turns into a firestorm. It starts spreading to other trees. I don't know. The best is to log it,

508
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:43,700
make profit on it, and pull the stumps out or whatever with tractors. Knock them down,

509
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,900
get them on the ground. If you're going to burn them, put them in slash piles and do it in winter.

510
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:53,540
They have whole tree chippers nowadays. If the tree's not big enough to use for lumber,

511
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:58,020
they knock it down. The thing picks it up, chips the entire tree. And this is all the way up to

512
00:47:58,020 --> 00:48:04,020
like 28 to 30 inches. The whole tree goes right through the machine. Yeah, I don't know. There's

513
00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:12,900
different ways to do that, but let's hope we never see that day. John Lord and Matt woke me up to this

514
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:17,700
one. This is your Caldor fire. Way down the left in the background, you see some blue. That's Capos

515
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:23,620
Lake. We're almost to Carson Pass. This is a sub-alpine belt. Those are all Aspen. And I found

516
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:30,180
anomalies, of course. But John Lord told me about the pipes. Perfect timing. During the fire and where

517
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:36,740
it crosses the road, they have the old metal pipes. They pulled 11 or 12 out on this road and

518
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:42,980
replaced them with a plastic pipe or smith. If it's a bigger creek that comes through, they need to

519
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:49,060
make a big smith pipe in there or a square one. And I'm finding this all over now. Big Basin did it.

520
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:53,780
Darnell's fire did it. Salina's fire did it. The Caldor right here and Paradise.

521
00:48:54,900 --> 00:49:00,260
Paradise also. And I tracked down where the pipes were. There's one gas station at Kirkwood Ski Resort

522
00:49:00,260 --> 00:49:06,340
on the main road, Highway 88. There behind it are the 11 pipes. And I've seen this. I'm taking note of it.

523
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:11,380
I guess they don't want the road to collapse when a diesel truck goes over it because these pipes are

524
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:19,220
probably compromised. Up north in Weed, California, there was a fire called the Mill Fire because it

525
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:25,300
started at a lumber mill. And this one killed three people, burned their homes to the ground.

526
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:31,300
They couldn't get out of their homes. And it was the same thing. I spent two different days up there

527
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:35,460
analyzing this and it's the same thing. Just a nightmare.

528
00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:42,820
Here's your corral fire. This is June now, this year. Highway 5 is right here. This is the ramps.

529
00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:46,100
And here's your eucalyptus. It's down in the flames. Refuse to burn.

530
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:51,220
There's the boards. I'm just putting one in here. There's many boards like this everywhere where

531
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:57,860
only the screws or other fasteners were on fire. And Shane, we did this one, right? Did we report

532
00:49:57,860 --> 00:50:03,780
the corral? Yeah, that was June 1st. Yeah. And it started up the canyon at the Lawrence Livermore

533
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:08,580
lab. They have two labs. One's on this side, on the Tracy side. I drove up the road. It started

534
00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:13,300
right next to their building. Yeah. Where they make the trillion watt laser and whatever else they

535
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:18,180
have. And across the street from their lab was a Fremont Cottonwood. I wish I brought that picture.

536
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:22,820
The one that holds the most water. And it burned down one house. Because that was a small one,

537
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:28,580
right? Do you think they're testing something or? I have no idea. This is another blue. This is either

538
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:36,020
nickelized or it's one of the other eucalyptus. Didn't burn right in the flames. There's anomalies

539
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:42,580
everywhere on that little fire. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I do believe the Tracy fire did start at,

540
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:47,140
or the corral fire in Tracy, California did start near the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories.

541
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:52,100
And allegedly there was a controlled burn the day before. And the firefighters were supposed to have

542
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:57,540
been there until the next day, but then they left and the fire got out of control. So it seems like it's the

543
00:50:57,540 --> 00:51:03,540
same fire. Huh? Yeah. I saw the cars in the background. I zoomed in with a big 800 millimeter.

544
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:09,380
The cars were the same on this property where the house is. I've gone back two or three times to try

545
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:14,420
to meet the family that lives there. It's a husband and wife. I want, I just want to see how that's going

546
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:20,660
with their insurance and everything. Yeah. Do you find that a lot of the people that lost property and

547
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:28,420
vehicles, um, know that there's something not right or, um, some of my talks up in Santa Rosa,

548
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:33,700
people have come. I just had one. Um, they've come and they've lost their homes and they knew about it.

549
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:38,020
And many of them knew about it only through me. It's new to me, but that's what they've said.

550
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:44,340
Um, not, not all over. Cause I'm selective who I talked to.

551
00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:50,820
Uh, cause I don't think I'm a crazy kook. If I tell them what the camera real, we spoke to maybe

552
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:55,620
four or five groups of people. And I was worried that they were going to say, you're just, you know,

553
00:51:55,620 --> 00:52:01,220
one of those conspiracy theorists, or that sounds crazy. No one said that they all thought there was

554
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:09,060
something good miss. And every time we, we mentioned Maui, they were like, yeah, that's is a good,

555
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:14,260
that is a good one. I've used that one. And they say, oh, he had the corral fire. There was a

556
00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:18,420
investigator there, how fire, and he acted like he knew it all. He had 20 years experience. And I,

557
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:23,380
I said, well, I got 50 and, uh, I shut him up quick. And I said, well, what do you think about

558
00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:28,500
Lahaina? And he, and he actually said, yeah, there is something strange going on there because it's right

559
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:35,700
there in the public eye. Many vacationers go there. Um, let's see. We're at the park fire up north

560
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:40,580
now, north of Chico. I believe this was just a few months ago, right? That's right. And here's

561
00:52:40,580 --> 00:52:44,900
ponderosa pine, the straight ones. The curved ones are digger, gray, or bull pine. They have

562
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:49,300
lots of names for them. They don't want to mess with the digger Indians because they choose to

563
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:53,380
dig up bulbs and eat them. So they don't want to call them digger pines anymore. Well, I still call

564
00:52:53,380 --> 00:53:01,220
them digger pines. Um, so you're in a upper foothill or lower pine belt here, very flammable areas.

565
00:53:01,220 --> 00:53:05,060
And no, they're not burning. And look in the background. Chunks of metal everywhere.

566
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:10,500
I tried to get the clearest pictures. Same thing. Oh, and this is where they caught the guy. Oh,

567
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,820
he was terrible. There was a lady on TV. She was crying and said, why would he light it on fire? And

568
00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:20,020
I watched him push it down the hill. Oh yeah. Me, she's a crisis actor. There's the car. That's it.

569
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:27,300
If he pushed. Yep. If he burned it, why are the windows melted out? Right? Yeah. I have questions.

570
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:33,300
Yeah. No, it's just a, it's whatever. Distraction lie, whatever. Yeah. This is the park fire. I've

571
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:38,420
got several in here. Homes are gone. And here's your ponderosa pine over on the right and ponderosa

572
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:44,260
pine and there's 22 pines in California, 22 species. The number one or most prevalent

573
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:49,220
pine in the state is a ponderosa pine there. We can find them in all our, almost all our mountainous

574
00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:54,980
ecosystems throughout the whole state. And it burns more often than any other tree that because they can,

575
00:53:54,980 --> 00:54:00,580
you know, they're in all these mountainous areas and I'm finding them dead, but not burned.

576
00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:05,460
Maybe the needles fell off. The twigs won't burn tiny little twigs. If anybody's ever seen a real

577
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:10,100
forest fire, the twigs go right behind the needles. You know, or a Christmas tree.

578
00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:16,180
Something that I find really hard to believe in Camarillo, I got footage and this was the day

579
00:54:16,180 --> 00:54:22,820
after the fire shortly after the melted aluminum was on top of dried leaves.

580
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:23,780
Yep. Yep.

581
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:25,620
The leaves weren't burned.

582
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:30,500
I'd like to talk to some smart people about the composition of the flame itself.

583
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:31,620
Right.

584
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:33,060
That's way, that's way above me.

585
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:35,380
And those were also eucalyptus actually.

586
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:35,700
Yes.

587
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,380
The worst one you can get.

588
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:38,340
Right.

589
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:42,820
I've found several aluminum boats like this at different aftermaths. Sometimes they're just gone

590
00:54:42,820 --> 00:54:49,860
and there's the chain holding onto them. It'd be a fun test is to put some firewood in the boat

591
00:54:49,860 --> 00:54:55,060
and start on fire and just see what happens. There's a lot of tests that I'd like to do.

592
00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:59,860
Yeah. And this one looks at really high elevation where it can't be that hot.

593
00:54:59,860 --> 00:55:02,420
This has got some oaks in here, so this isn't that high up.

594
00:55:03,460 --> 00:55:08,100
Not sure what elevation that park fire achieved. It might kind of the three to 4,000 feet, but I don't

595
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:13,860
think much, much higher. There's a lot of oaks in here and a Ponderosa pine.

596
00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:17,300
It's a lower pine belt starting to get, that's starting to go up. It might be 3,000 feet.

597
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,860
And I don't know what that thing was. Was that a camper, a mobile home?

598
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:24,100
I don't know. There's the, yeah, there's the ladder going up.

599
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:27,460
This is the way I find them all.

600
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:33,860
Same, same fire, a digger pine again, and the back's either a redwood or a deodar cedar.

601
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:38,100
Wow. What's that on the ground?

602
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:44,580
Looks like a fake wall made of different material, not brick. I don't know.

603
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:48,020
Same old things, the windows, the rims.

604
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:57,540
Yeah, I don't know how many more of these, I got some more. Okay. Just amazing. I made my own term

605
00:55:57,540 --> 00:56:01,940
up with the alloy or aluminum rims. Sometimes they're melted out, other times they're chunked out,

606
00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:06,900
but there's not much melting. They're falling off in these big chunks like they got brittle

607
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:11,060
and then just kind of fell apart. And that perhaps that's the alloys. I don't know.

608
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:14,900
I do think that's due to the cut, the different compositions of the other metals. Yeah.

609
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:20,100
Yeah, I would agree. So we're finding all these identical. Once a while, I'd have to look through

610
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:26,420
my area, my photos. You will see half a vehicle burned and it's perfect in the front or the back

611
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:30,980
with the door. I mean, the fire did not overlap at all. Like Judy Wood's book. There's a few of those.

612
00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:34,980
Like, it didn't overlap. Some odd stuff. That's the same one.

613
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:37,060
Have you found blue cars that were

614
00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:42,660
untouched? Offhand, I can't think of any offhand.

615
00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:47,940
No, I haven't been to one in a while since I learned about the blue.

616
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:52,660
Mm-hmm. Here's your whole ponderosa pina. They're thinner. They're browner, but

617
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:59,220
yeah. These are mostly oak trees in the back. At that elevation, it would be canyon live oak or

618
00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:07,300
interior live oak. Oh, yeah. Another house. Still the same. We're going to hit Southern California

619
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:14,580
here in a minute. Amazing here though. After a forest fire I've seen, the twigs are gone right behind the needles.

620
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:22,340
Yeah. Yeah, some beautiful places in the mountains. I think we're going to Southern California now.

621
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:26,340
I don't tell everybody where all my favorite mountain spots are.

622
00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:33,300
Okay, we're gonna go to the mountain fire now. You've probably seen many of these already. I will

623
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:40,180
see swing sets like in the back with all the seats made of plastic or rubberized, but the chains are all

624
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:45,060
stainless steel. The bolts that hold them together, there's nothing there that would rust. So I won't,

625
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:50,980
I won't see the plastic chairs or seats melted. This is all over the place. Swing sets are

626
00:57:51,860 --> 00:57:57,380
pretty much untouched. So it's something to do with the stainless steel, the way they're,

627
00:57:57,380 --> 00:58:03,060
it's created, you know. A metal person could have a better answer for that, but I'm seeing this all over.

628
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:09,940
Uh, swimming pools too, that are the plastic doughboy ones. They'll have a lot of stainless steel and

629
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:14,580
those will not heat up in that area. So some, something to do with the lamination process.

630
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:19,620
Trees everywhere. None, none of them catching fire. Perhaps you've seen this one.

631
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:25,300
I can't tell. I think that's a beef wood in the back from Australia. Some palms.

632
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:31,300
Yeah, that wasn't too clear. Sorry about that one. It's kind of hard to find these pictures. Like

633
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:35,700
they're going in there and deleting them. So you can't find the materials. It's usually a general

634
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:41,860
shot like this or the flames. It's still going. Nothing up close. And I zoom in. I look around the

635
00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:46,100
whole photograph and see if I can find something that stands out to me. There's your aluminum. What's

636
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:52,900
melting it this far away? What's keeping it flowing? Right. That has to be at least 1400

637
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:58,260
degrees. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Who knows how far above it's going? I know the temperatures aren't

638
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:03,460
reaching 4,000 because all your metals in the cars would start melting somewhere around that temperature.

639
00:59:03,860 --> 00:59:08,580
Yeah. Above 3,000, you're going to lose steel and other things too. Oh, that's what it is. 3,000. Okay.

640
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:15,700
Yeah. Wherever you look, you see the same thing. It doesn't matter which fire aftermath.

641
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:21,700
I wish I was down there to walk around. There's so much white ash in some of these photos. It looks

642
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:25,860
like the heat would have been really intense. However, it didn't reach very far.

643
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:32,420
Yeah. I have a house in the Kincaid fire I keep going back to. That's my piece of aluminum I have.

644
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:40,100
And Italian stone pines there turned a little brown. Camellia bushes around the house. The home's gone,

645
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:45,780
burned to the ground. And here's these camellia bushes, 12 to 20 inches from the home. And the leaves just

646
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:54,020
turned a little brown. Like, what the heck? I wanted to ask because in Maui, we have a lot of reports of

647
00:59:54,020 --> 01:00:01,220
a lot of explosions, like hundreds of bam, bam, bam. And I had a fire captain say that palm trees,

648
01:00:01,780 --> 01:00:08,420
because they have a high oil content or maybe it was moisture, he says that that will heat up and then

649
01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:15,220
explode. No, no, I'd say no. And we were thinking they were the propane tanks for barbecues and

650
01:00:15,220 --> 01:00:20,420
others. No, it's not those either. Those don't blow up either. No, what I think, and I'm just guessing,

651
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:26,660
this is the concussion of the weapon, breaking the sound barrier when it hits in different spots,

652
01:00:26,660 --> 01:00:30,580
like snapping your towel. It breaks the sound barrier. Different things. Kaboom.

653
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:37,460
And John Lord and Matt and I talked about this too, because they analyzed, you know, Paradise and Santa Rosa.

654
01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:43,700
They didn't see any tanks splayed open and blown up. And the cars. I've never seen one, you know, ripped open

655
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:48,420
somewhere by the gas tank. We think it's the concussion, breaking the sound barrier where it's

656
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:52,660
hitting different areas, whether it's out, whatever they're hitting. And that, that's just a guess.

657
01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:57,780
That makes sense because there's not that many, even if it were the propane tanks, there's not that

658
01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:04,020
many to cause hundreds and thousands of explosions. That's right. Something I notice very often now is

659
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:08,900
I try to find the creeks, the riparian corridors, whether the creek has water or it's just dry and the

660
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:15,140
water is subterranean moving down that valley. I will see all the water levers burn from the inside out.

661
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:19,780
And the fire will come up the bank a little ways, but stop, not come over the bank and build,

662
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:24,740
burn the mountainside or the, whatever it is, it stays along the, in the valley. And I've seen it go

663
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:29,060
a hundred yards or more. It didn't want to come out of the valley and it burned everything down there

664
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:37,060
and mostly water levers. And I have some pictures of that. Also, I analyzed the creek, North Fork Cache Creek

665
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:41,620
by Clear Lake, California. The North Fork doesn't have any lake on it. And I was going to backpack and

666
01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:46,820
there happened to be a fire. This is probably where the gulches, I've noticed the gulches at the bottom

667
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:53,940
are usually, I saw that in Kula and I saw that in Camarillo. The gulch is on fire, but the trees are

668
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:59,380
still, so maybe there was water collecting. Yeah, there's subterranean water because some of the

669
01:01:59,380 --> 01:02:04,260
willows there have to have water. So it's under the rocks and it's still flowing. But this creek runs

670
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:08,820
all year at Cache Creek, North Fork. There's pools that are six, eight feet deep, possibly more. And

671
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:15,780
I used to fish it and there's big fish. The fish are gone. The frogs, the turtles, the aquatic insects.

672
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:22,900
I look for everything. I'm versed in a lot of this stuff. I couldn't find any aquatic insect at all in

673
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:27,860
the creek. And it's already been two or three years past. And I thought that was odd. No fish,

674
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:33,940
no turtles, no frogs. And I'm by myself. So I see a lot. And it was kind of devoid of life. I'm going to

675
01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:38,180
start carrying a butterfly net now with a long extension tied to it. And I'm going to start

676
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:43,460
dipping around and see what's alive in these creeks. Because if an electrical current is going

677
01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:48,900
through the water, not much is going to survive that. But you would think some would come back

678
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:54,260
in a year and multiply. I know. That's the weird part. Because this was two or three years later.

679
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:58,420
The shrubs from seeing Othus and other shrubs had already grown up to three and four feet.

680
01:02:59,380 --> 01:03:03,220
So that was an odd one. I don't have an answer for it. But to me, it was devoid of life.

681
01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:12,740
Estabon Drive. I'm not sure if this went into the line or bridge fire. And of course,

682
01:03:12,740 --> 01:03:17,700
if you probably know, homes are burning from the top down. They're always hitting the roof.

683
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:22,660
So when people say the fires are coming up to the ground and we're being attacked from underground,

684
01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:27,140
I kind of don't go with that. The roofs always catch on fire first, especially when they're metal.

685
01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:32,100
And then the ground itself is on fire, I believe, because of the metals in it,

686
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:36,660
and the water content. And perhaps some of the sprays, but I'm kind of ruling out the sprays

687
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:42,340
from jets. Because if it was making the ground more flammable, the trees would be more flammable.

688
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:44,340
And a lot of them would die. It's not happening.

689
01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:51,780
You know, something I noticed with Camarillo, the houses and the burns, they were sporadic. They

690
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:56,340
weren't all clumped together. There was like a house here and then there was a couple of cars burned.

691
01:03:56,340 --> 01:04:01,220
Okay. Which I found interesting. Part of me says it's kind of

692
01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:11,220
like a shower head or your blender. You're turning it to frappe and stir and chop and hack and blend.

693
01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:16,740
It's a different head. And maybe it shoots out little rays all over or one big sweep,

694
01:04:16,740 --> 01:04:21,540
like Santa Rosa, where there was straight lines going through the football field at one of the schools,

695
01:04:21,540 --> 01:04:24,820
middle school or high school, straight line down the middle of the green field. Like,

696
01:04:24,820 --> 01:04:29,300
what does that? And the grass is green. I don't know if you can find those pictures anymore.

697
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:34,580
Who knows what type of shower head they're using. We're just guessing. We have no idea what the

698
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:38,980
delivery systems are. I do like the shower head analogy. It does seem to kind of fit.

699
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:45,780
Well, yeah, when it's missing certain things and scratching your head, I don't get it.

700
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:49,380
Now, John and I sat down. We had long talks before he passed away. And we thought, all right,

701
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:54,100
delivery systems, whether it's a vehicle, if it flies, if it floats in a ship,

702
01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:59,540
and we kind of rule out drones, but I'm never know. Maybe drones. I just don't know how it would

703
01:04:59,540 --> 01:05:04,580
have the firepower, but maybe. But we kind of think satellites. And that sounds far fetched, but

704
01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:10,420
because planes have to go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Satellites way up there.

705
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,460
But it's all guesswork. You know, we don't know.

706
01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:19,140
I do think it could be both. I do think that there are space based platforms, but the drone technology

707
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:23,860
could be more advanced than we're actually aware of. Yeah. Maybe big ones we never see.

708
01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:29,620
And some drones can do like an old fashioned fire. They just kind of torch. I mean, this is open

709
01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:35,540
information. They have these drones that just fire and burn down things.

710
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:39,300
I saw some of the helicopters doing backfires like, okay, that's the good guys.

711
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:45,940
So I think this goes into the line and bridge. They might be mixed in here. That one was pretty

712
01:05:45,940 --> 01:05:48,260
damning and actually a piece of blackened wood.

713
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:51,940
That's good. Surprising. And I see the fencing they put up here. That's the temperature.

714
01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:52,980
Yeah, I was thinking.

715
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:56,980
I like Maui. But there's your cars. Same thing again.

716
01:05:58,420 --> 01:06:01,860
Yeah, there's that fencing. They don't want anybody taking pictures and spreading it around the world.

717
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:08,260
I don't know how many I have left. I believe that, unless there was an earlier fire in this area,

718
01:06:08,260 --> 01:06:09,860
I believe that's still line.

719
01:06:10,580 --> 01:06:12,420
I believe this is the line fire. Yes.

720
01:06:12,980 --> 01:06:17,380
That's pretty clear. This is some type of a bridge. Well, it's all metal. I don't know what the surface

721
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:24,500
coating was, but like the, oh, I should have put it in here. London, England, in the parking

722
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:32,180
structure that was six or seven layers high, all cement. They had a small freeze fire. 11 to 1400

723
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:37,300
cars were fried and they're all on different levels with cement between them all. Right.

724
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:42,340
And you look at the photographs on Google images and the cement's ground up like a rotor tiller.

725
01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:44,980
And all you see is the rebar inside. The rebar. Yes.

726
01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:50,100
Nothing could do that to cement. No way. A small grease fire. They did it. They had a little test kit

727
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:55,140
and they went out and said, let's try this parking structure. You see those pictures. Oh my gosh.

728
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:59,940
Yeah. A microwave beam could turn all those rebars into heating elements, basically.

729
01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:04,500
That's right. Unbelievable what that looked like. This could be the last one.

730
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:09,860
I noticed that one car is red. That seems to have kind of repelled it.

731
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:13,540
Red? Oh, yeah. You never know. Lights are there in the grill.

732
01:07:13,540 --> 01:07:20,260
We saw this in Chile. Yeah. So ever since Maui, I've noticed that especially blue, but also green

733
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:24,980
and sometimes red objects seem to have survived adjacent to other things that burned. And it does

734
01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:31,220
kind of match up with the tattoo removal clinic, which requires a second laser to remove red and a third

735
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:35,540
laser to remove blue. Very interesting. Yes. Did you go to Chile?

736
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:40,580
Uh, no, I haven't been there, but I have gathered a lot of the photos from the internet.

737
01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:48,660
There's plenty. I think I've done three videos on Canada, Chile, Texas Panhandle and Maui. My last

738
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:56,100
three, I think we're on those kind of last year, 2023, they burned 43 million acres of Canada.

739
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:01,620
That number is just gigantic. When I remember the Dixie fire that was close to a million acres,

740
01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:08,740
43 times that. That's a lot of acreage in 2023. And they're not stopping. They just pick a new

741
01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:16,740
country or a new state. Well, here you are, same scenario. Windows, rims, door handles, everything.

742
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:20,980
Beyond a doubt, it's the same thing. I don't know what this little thing was,

743
01:08:20,980 --> 01:08:24,580
maybe a little smart car or a golf cart, maybe. It looks like a smart car.

744
01:08:24,580 --> 01:08:31,140
Yeah. I thought it's small. And that rim kind of wanted to chunk out kind of weird stuff. And

745
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:38,820
there's your trees, no matter where you go. Terrible. Just terrible. Oh, I had another one.

746
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:43,540
Okay. You have fires coming. And where's the fire coming from? That's when I look up in the air.

747
01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:49,940
What was this, a Volvo? I don't know. This could be my last one. And I'll find the paper thin leaves,

748
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:55,860
like a Japanese maple. And that might be on the right here. Paper thin. And no, they're not going

749
01:08:55,860 --> 01:09:00,900
to burn up either. It doesn't matter what leaf it is. It doesn't matter what the combustibility rate

750
01:09:00,900 --> 01:09:07,060
is or nothing. That's it. That's my last one. I threw all those all together last night and today,

751
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,500
tried to do a little bit of everything.

752
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:13,620
A little bit of everything. Some questions that I know the audience would be very interested in

753
01:09:13,620 --> 01:09:18,500
knowing since you've been to so many sites and you've done so much research. Are there other

754
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:25,860
characteristics of certain areas that you find are more common, like the mobile home parks? Are there

755
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:31,460
other things that you're kind of noticing? Generally, it's a poor... Well, I can't say it's

756
01:09:31,460 --> 01:09:40,900
always a poor area, but the trailer parks, the mobile home parks. A lot of high Sierra areas where

757
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:44,820
private citizens own a lot of cabins, their second home, many of them.

758
01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:50,580
Clearing that all. It's patchwork throughout the whole Sierra every year. And the way they're doing

759
01:09:50,580 --> 01:09:55,060
it is in 10 years, there's not going to be any more Sierra Nevada forest the way they're doing it.

760
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:59,860
It's almost like they got a template and they've done a lot down at Lake Isabella too. I've been down

761
01:09:59,860 --> 01:10:06,180
there several times. But no rhyme or reason. Just cities, it's rare to burn a city unless it's the

762
01:10:06,180 --> 01:10:11,540
outskirts. Nowhere they would put a mega city. Like the wildland urban interface.

763
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:17,780
Right. I mean, Santa Rosa, those counties, Lake County, Sonoma County, and the other county,

764
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:22,340
they're attacking it for I don't know how many years. And always a lot of houses. The house counts

765
01:10:22,340 --> 01:10:26,980
are huge. And of course, backpacking my whole life, we never heard of forest fires taking houses down.

766
01:10:26,980 --> 01:10:31,140
They might go to a mountain pass road and get a couple cabins. And firemen are pretty good at it.

767
01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:35,380
They get it out quick. This is the opposite. How many cabins can they burn to the ground and not

768
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:40,020
the forest? But they're working the perimeter around the big cities that'll turn into stacking

769
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:47,620
packs. And even mountainous areas, Greenville, Paradise. They don't really care. They really

770
01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:51,700
don't care where they attack. I want to say it's usually poorer people, but that's the mobile homes.

771
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:56,180
A lot of those people are on fixed incomes, retired. They don't have a whole lot of money.

772
01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:59,700
And maybe a lot of them have dropped their insurance. Right. And that's right. I had

773
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:03,700
something else to say. I have a lot of stories to them. I have to share with you. It was our time.

774
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:09,060
Okay. Up in Paradise, when I finally went there about three years ago, it was three years after the

775
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:12,900
fact, there was an old lady and her husband and they're weeding their properties so they don't

776
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:17,780
get a ticket. Well, their house is already eliminated and they're weeding whatever is growing.

777
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:21,300
And I just I didn't tell her what's going on. And I said, uh, anything weird here? She says,

778
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,820
well, she's a rock collector in the back down the hill. She had a little rock garden

779
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,940
with lots of quartz and other things like that. Shiny shards of quartz and other weird rocks.

780
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:34,820
And she says, when she came back, they were all turned into a chalky substance.

781
01:11:34,820 --> 01:11:40,420
How about that? Like, wow, into a chalky. That's how she described it. Chalky substance.

782
01:11:40,420 --> 01:11:45,140
And then another time she comes back, it's all gone. They came in and took all these

783
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:51,860
rocks, if you will, off the property. And she had a wooden telephone pole out front,

784
01:11:51,860 --> 01:11:56,820
untouched, a short one, 25 feet tall, a little skinny, like no black on it at all. Nice,

785
01:11:56,820 --> 01:12:01,460
dry piece of wood with no sap in it. They're not burned. I find dead trees like that. They've been

786
01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:05,060
dead for years. Have you ever seen these materials being moved out?

787
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:11,060
Not moved. No, you'd have to get there pretty quick and watch and just be out of the fire area

788
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:15,940
on a main road and just sit there and watch every day with the camera. That's about it. Go to the

789
01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:21,300
dumps, follow them or something. I want everybody to stay vigilant and see if we can. Yeah. People

790
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:29,140
to watch them and get it out on the media. But one last question. Is there something that homeowners

791
01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:34,180
or you can do? I know a lot of people are going to paint their roof blue. Yeah. Is there something

792
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:39,940
that like if you feel like your area is at risk? I think all you can do is buy all these plastic

793
01:12:39,940 --> 01:12:46,820
sheds that Lowe's and Home Depot make. Just get plastic. And the white dog igloos. I make jokes

794
01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:53,780
about that, but I'm partly serious. Plastics is about all you can do or live underground. And I

795
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:58,100
don't know how deep you'd have to be. Well, I would say probably plastics and well-grounded

796
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:03,540
metals. I think it was possibly John Lord who pointed out that the carports that were well-grounded

797
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:07,700
were the ones that survived better than the ones that were more insulated from the ground.

798
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:09,780
Wow. Yeah.

799
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:14,180
When I went to Pinnacles, I had a picture here of Pinnacles. I went down there to have breakfast

800
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:18,980
and Denny's. I say this story often. I'm sitting down and I'll talk to anybody. There's two army

801
01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:24,580
guys with their outfits. I don't know what area. Army, I guess. Marines, maybe. And I walked over

802
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:28,420
with my portfolio of all my photos. And they're looking at me both set up straight and they kind of look at

803
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:34,020
each other. And one turns and looks at me and says, looks to me like military-grade weaponry.

804
01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:38,260
And I closed my book and sat down. And they left and I went to pay. And the lady says,

805
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:41,700
those guys paid for your breakfast. Wow.

806
01:13:42,260 --> 01:13:46,020
And that was something that's going to go in my book. So you don't know what these guys see.

807
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:48,340
They're sworn to secrecy and they get to operate stuff.

808
01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:54,420
And just give little messages. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Just dumbfounded when you hear these stories.

809
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:59,620
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you so much for your time, Robert, and your expertise and for all the

810
01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:04,340
work you do and all the traveling and everything. We really appreciate it. Hope you got enough.

811
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:10,020
Oh, yeah, definitely. I'm sure our audience is a lot more informed now because we get so many

812
01:14:10,020 --> 01:14:14,260
questions and I can't answer them. Yeah, I can either. I'm trying my best.

813
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:20,180
But thank you so much for your insight. And hopefully we can have you on again in the future.

814
01:14:20,180 --> 01:14:22,500
All right. All right. Good to talk to you both.

815
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:38,180
All right. Yes. Thank you, everyone, for being here. And we will see you all soon. Bye.