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Thank you very much for joining us.
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My son, I owe this to him.
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Well this is a remarkable story.
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So we were connected by someone we both know.
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I had followed this casually in the media, didn't know what to make of it.
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Your son died in November.
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You commissioned an examination by a forensic pathologist, independent forensic pathologist
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called Dr. Dinesh Rao.
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I have it right here accompanied by photographs that you took.
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And I don't think any honest person looking at this would conclude this was a suicide.
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There's an awful lot of evidence that it wasn't.
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I was actually shocked by it.
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So I want to get into the details of what may have happened.
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But I'd like to start, if you don't mind, by hearing about your son.
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Who was he?
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How old was he?
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What did he do?
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What was he like?
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Sure.
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Suchir was a prodigy.
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From birth we knew he was gifted.
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And for living he studied his master's, bachelor's in computer science from UC Berkeley, the
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top school.
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He had 4.0 GPA throughout.
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As soon as he graduated, he started working in OpenAI as a researcher, AI researcher.
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His first project was WebGPT, for which a fresh graduate, he took the lead role.
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And that WebGPT turned out into be CHAPGPT, an application.
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This was a publication of four people.
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One of them is Suchir.
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Following this, he worked at OpenAI for pre-training data.
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That means he was scooping up all the internet data, feeding to CHAPGPT's AI model.
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Following this, he worked on...
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Which is the fuel that it runs on.
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It needs massive amounts of data in order to become what it is, right?
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That's the requirement.
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Yes.
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It's an AI model.
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And for the AI model, there needs to be data fed.
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And this data is what everybody is saying is copyright data.
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That's what all the lawsuits are against.
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He was involved in fueling that data.
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He was directly involved in that part of the business.
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He knows inside out.
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Following that, he worked directly on the CHAPGPT application team itself under John
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Shkremen.
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In this team, he was vital.
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His former boss, John, claims that his role was vital in CHAPGPT team.
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And he did some kind of tuning and optimization made it very efficient.
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It's a significant contribution.
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But the irony is he was never acknowledged by OpenAI.
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And even after he left OpenAI, after his death also, no one has acknowledged him.
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Prior to joining OpenAI, he was so qualified.
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He was national champion in 2016 for computing Olympia.
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It means he was the top programmer of 2016.
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Following that, he went, he took a gap year at 17.
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He said he doesn't need a degree.
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Right after 12, he said, I don't need a degree.
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I don't need to go to college.
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He took up a job in Khora as software engineer.
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He was hired with $25,000 sign on bonus and a pay equivalent to a master's or a bachelor's
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holder.
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He worked there for a year.
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And then he joined UC Berkeley after taking a gap year.
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It took a lot of effort on parents and to persuade him to go back to college for which
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he was grateful throughout.
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In UC Berkeley, he represented UC Berkeley for ACM ICPC inter-college programming contest,
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the world contest.
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He went to China along with his team.
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It was in 2017.
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2018, he won $100,000 award for a TSA competition.
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This is for passenger screening algorithm, which TSA has implemented today.
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He was shining all throughout his life.
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Prior to this, at the age of 11, he got 680 in SAT.
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And then at 14, the paper he wrote makes me believe he's a prodigy.
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That science paper is about quantum computing, optimizing a CPU.
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And like he talks about VLSI design, that my friends claim they studied in their masters
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in electronics and communications.
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All these things make me believe he's a prodigy and he's demonstrated he had exceptional
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abilities.
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And it sounds like he did.
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So it's but and it sounds like from reading about it that he ran into trouble only when
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he began to question whether or not the data that was being fed to OpenAI was copyrighted.
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He never raised a voice when he was within OpenAI because he had concerns that management
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will not approve.
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And he started to question all these when chat GPT became profit making.
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As long as it was nonprofit, it was OK.
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He explains in his publication on suchi.net what his views are and why he believes this
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is copyright violation.
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And when he started after reinstatement of Sam Altman in 2023 November, November 21st
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was the day he got reinstated.
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I know it so well because it was suchi's birthday that day.
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He got reinstated.
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And after that, suchi started thinking about the copyright violation.
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And he did discuss with me, it's very unethical and he feels awful about it.
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And I said, yes, it's unethical.
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I agree with you.
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What's unethical is using copyrighted material, material owned by other people for your business,
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which artists work will be lost.
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Their means of living will be impacted.
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Yes.
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And also he did research and he published like how the stack overflow and then few other
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like maybe Quora, few other websites, the traffic is reducing.
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And he also made a publication in which he explains that the answer given by Chad GPT
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versus the answer given by stack overflow, how unscientific and inaccurate the answer
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is.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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When did he leave OpenAI?
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He left in August.
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Of 2024.
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Yes, third week of August.
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So recently.
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Very recently.
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When did he write his now famous paper about what the management of OpenAI was doing with
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copyrighted material?
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He, next day, he already had made up his mind prior leaving to leaving OpenAI.
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In fact, in July, he discussed with his UC Berkeley colleague that he want to do a startup
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and his friend expressed interest, his Demi Styler.
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And next day after leaving OpenAI, he went on interview with Canadian news media.
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We didn't know anything about it.
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Yeah, we just found out based on his call logs.
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He spoke to someone for 40 minutes after his passing.
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We called him and found out he was doing this.
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And it was next day after his last day at work.
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Who did he speak to?
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I'll get back to you.
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But he spoke to a reporter.
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Canadian news media that sued OpenAI.
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Canadian news media.
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Canadian news media that sued OpenAI.
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Interesting.
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On October 23rd, his interview was published in New York Times where he makes a very,
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very open statement and he calls OpenAI violates copyright data.
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On October 23rd, he was quoted in the New York Times saying that OpenAI violates
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copyright law.
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Yes.
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Stealing other people's material.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And what day did he die?
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I'm sorry?
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What day did he die?
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22nd November, but we found a body on 26th November.
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So he was quoted saying that OpenAI was committing crimes and a month later he was dead.
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That's not just it.
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On November 18th, New York Times named my son as Custodian Witness.
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Custodian Witness is very, very important.
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He had the documents against OpenAI.
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That was on 18th, 22nd.
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He just came back from vacation from LA and Catalina Island the same night.
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They have attacked him and killed him.
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Tell us about what the New York Times wrote on November 18th.
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He had these documents.
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What were the documents?
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We need to get the documents from New York Times.
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It's a sealed document.
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It's not open for public, but we need to become like the estate administrator.
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My husband will be the estate administrator end of this month.
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Then they will go and acquire the data, what documents they were.
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At the moment, we don't have information.
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But you know, because you read it in the New York Times, that your son had given
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Journalists papers that he says implicated OpenAI in crime.
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Yes.
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And also on December 2nd, Suchir had an interview planned with Associated Press, Matt O'Brien.
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On December 2nd, Suchir did not attend.
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Third, they called on his phone.
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By then we had his phone.
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My husband took a phone call and he found out that Suchir wanted to take legal action against OpenAI.
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He wanted to give the witness.
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By then, this news was not out yet that Suchir was a custodian witness, but we got it.
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Then all we did was hurrying up the second autopsy, private autopsy moment.
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We heard that this was his initiative and he didn't make it to do that.
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So to bottom line it, it sounds like your son, who's your only child, by the way, and I'm really sorry about that.
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Your son was in a position to threaten, really threaten, OpenAI.
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Well, it's not his intent was not to threaten.
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He just cared about people. He cared about humanity.
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He writes in his article in New York Times, as well as the publication.
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He believes the way the AI is currently without any regulation is a harm to humanity.
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He stood up for a cause and he lost his life for a cause.
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He's a martyr.
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Obviously, he's a martyr. And then he never hesitated.
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He took his put his life at risk.
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So the official cause of death is suicide.
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You're his mother. Clearly, you spoke to him a lot.
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Did you get any indication that he was depressed?
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No, he just came back from vacation. He had a very active lifestyle.
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When we had his memorial service, many of his friends came and they gave the details of when they met him
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and how many times they met him after he left.
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He was visiting family. We were going out for dinner, lunch.
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He was fine. And more than anything else, he had concrete career plans.
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Yes. And interviews scheduled and he had things on his to do list.
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Did he ever suggest to you, say to you that he felt his life was threatened? Was he worried?
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He had concrete plans. He wanted to do some work for humanity.
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That's the last day when we spoke.
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Last conversation with Suchir in person was that he had a nonprofit in mind and he didn't want to take the salary for his work.
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He said, Mom, I have enough resources. I don't even need to get paid.
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I want to serve humanity.
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And he wanted to work in neuroscience and machine learning combination using that.
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Using that, I think I've seen on his desktop one of the projects for future of Doctor Visit.
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Since we haven't unlocked his email and laptop yet, we have to discover that.
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But we know he discussed with me. It's a one year plan.
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He said, give me a one year time. You'll know everything.
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Did he ever talk to you about Sam Altman?
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Did you ever talk to your son about Sam Altman?
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No, we refused to.
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You refused to?
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We refused to talk to Sam Altman.
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But did your son ever talk to you about Sam Altman?
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Did he ever say anything about Sam Altman?
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Not to me, but to his friends a lot.
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When he was in Catalina Islands, he spoke a lot against him.
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He literally didn't like him.
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In fact, I've seen his chat log saying that he wanted to work with Annie Altman in her nonprofit work.
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And that would be Sam's sister who was accused him of sexual abuse.
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Really? He wrote that down?
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Yes. So he knew what personality Sam Altman had.
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And his main concerns were the lies.
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The lies?
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The lies that Sam Altman used to lie.
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He was lying a lot.
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And my son is very ethical and he couldn't stand it.
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So the time, if we could go to the timeline around your son's death.
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So he goes to Catalina Island with friends.
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Yes.
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To backpack? To camp?
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Backpacking, yes. November 16 to November 22.
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There were five guys who went and my son was one of them.
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All these are his middle school and high school classmates.
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Some of them are his best buddies.
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We spoke to every one of them when they came back.
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And everyone gave an image like he is upbeat.
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He was very happy.
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He celebrated his 26th birthday on 21st November, the day before he died.
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What more do we need to give an account of his happy mood?
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Exactly. And if you, you know, at a certain age you know people who have killed themselves.
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And typically, you know, the suicide follows a morose period of isolation.
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The person sitting alone in his apartment drinking.
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He died the night he came back from a camping trip with his high school and college friends.
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Yes.
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Our attorney, he came to his apartment with us.
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And the moment he inspected his apartment, he said he had fresh supplies ordered.
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He has so many packets unopened.
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This doesn't look suicidal at all.
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So, and the photographs that you took, which we'll get to in a minute.
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You know, I just want to say this is not the first time I've been contacted by a family saying, you know,
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our child is ruled a suicide, but we think it was a murder.
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I mean, many people have claimed that.
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I've never seen anything like this before.
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This is, I think, again, to any fair person suggests that he was murdered.
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But let's get to that. So what do you know?
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He came back from Catalina.
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And if you don't mind telling us what you know about what happened then.
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He comes back that evening to San Francisco.
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He came around like 11 o'clock. He texted me.
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His flight is taking off. That was on 22nd.
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And then 4.54, he texted saying that it's pouring in San Francisco.
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And when he got off Uber, leasing office manager,
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he has apparently seen Suchir coming off with big suitcase and other things.
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And then Suchir said, yes, I'm coming back from LA.
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That's somewhere between 1 to 2 p.m. that day.
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And then he spoke to dad at 7.15 p.m.
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He was very happy.
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And Balaji said, like, shall we go to CES in Las Vegas in January?
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Because it was raining here.
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Dad brought up the concept that, you know, weather will be great in January.
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And Suchir said, yes.
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And dad gave him a birthday gift.
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Gave him a birthday gift.
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Birthday gift. Because 21st was his birthday.
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He said he'll send him cash, just a token of love.
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And Suchir accepted it.
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And that's the night he died.
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That day he died.
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So his last conversation with his father was what time, roughly?
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That's the last conversation.
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That was the last conversation.
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I called the next day, 12.15 p.m.
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Phone rang once and it went to voicemail.
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When did you learn that your son was dead?
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That was on 26th.
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25th I went to his apartment, knocked on the door.
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No one opened.
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I called a dispatch.
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Unfortunately, it took a day of effort for us to get his apartment open.
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25th they went and they didn't even call me back.
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What happened?
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Apparently they have gone and knocked on the door.
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They didn't bother to open the door.
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They just said, okay, nobody's opening the door.
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And they went back.
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Security guard from the apartment complex says he saw the fire truck and the ambulance and the police.
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And they went back.
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5.30 I waited, waited and waited.
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And 5.30 p.m. when I called on Monday, 25th, they said, ma'am, unless you are here, we cannot open the door.
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Next morning, I went to Union City Police Station.
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That's where we live.
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And filed a missing person complaint.
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I waited for one, one and a half hours.
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But both the parents, me and my husband, we started calling all the hospitals in the San Francisco area
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to see if he may have had an accident, why he's not responding to us, what happened to him.
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The moment we found that he was not in any of the hospitals, we took a deep breath.
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Okay, he's safe.
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But when we went to his apartment, one o'clock, I went to San Francisco and the dispatch came at one o' nine.
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Until four o'clock, we were not told anything.
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And then you got a call from the city?
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No, that was not how it went.
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One o' nine, two people, two officers came and they went with the leasing office manager, leasing manager.
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And I'm waiting outside.
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They didn't allow me inside the premises.
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I'm waiting outside the complex.
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Then one, one, three, they have seen apparently.
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That's what the report says.
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They've seen the body.
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Within five, ten minutes, they came out and they told me, no, we didn't enter.
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We were waiting for two more officers.
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We have a security protocol.
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We cannot go inside.
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Around two o'clock, two more officers came.
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But they knew your son was dead and they lied to you.
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They didn't tell at what moment.
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Two o'clock, they have a protocol.
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I don't blame them.
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Two o'clock, two officers came.
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They went inside.
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Twenty minutes, they came back and said, we're waiting for two more officers.
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We have security protocol.
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We can't go inside.
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And they said at two o'clock, they said, ma'am, you can go back home.
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We'll inform you in five to six hours.
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I said, I'm not going anywhere.
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They told me it's going to take some time for the next two officers to come.
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I said, let it be.
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Please give me the phone number.
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I'll contact them and find out if there's any way we can expedite it.
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My son's safety is in question.
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I cannot wait any longer.
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And then at three twenty, I saw a big white van coming and my heart sank.
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So they knew as they were speaking to you that your son was dead, but didn't tell you?
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They didn't tell.
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That's disgusting.
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That's inhuman.
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Sorry.
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It is.
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It is.
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And you know, they're asking me to go home.
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And how I knew my son was dead is looking at the white van.
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At that moment, I knew ambulance didn't come.
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And instead of even then, I was optimistic.
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OK, maybe ambulance wasn't available.
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They sent another van.
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And when I just saw a stretcher that came out, I went and spoke to the officers who
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were the medical examiners.
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They said we have a dead person in the apartment.
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I'm so sorry.
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That is really, I mean, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that
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was all by himself. And it's a suicide. And how long it took, can you believe it? 40
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minutes to investigate, 40 minutes to determine the cause of death. And at 4 o'clock, they
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gave me the keys for the apartment and they say you can collect the body tomorrow. Like
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right from that moment, I see fall play, proper formalities were not followed. And the next
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day they released the body within 24 hours without doing the complete autopsy. They
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removed the bullet. They did a CT scan. This returned the body to us. Then we just checked
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with the funeral home and we discussed with them. And then they also said, looks like
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doesn't seem normal. There's something very unusual here. You should do a second private
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autopsy. That's the funeral home suggested that. Yes. And even we were thinking, both
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of us were also thinking funeral home also suggested we were shattered, obviously, right?
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We were completely shattered. We just didn't know what's going on and seeing our son like
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that. And they said, like, his eyes are gone with the gun wound. Don't see his face. We
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couldn't see him. But the fact that the funeral home, which, of course, sees dead bodies
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every day, said to you, this doesn't look right. Doesn't look like a suicide. We recommend
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that you get a second autopsy, a real autopsy. That's amazing.
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Actually, the way it's, they didn't look at the body. They didn't look at any evidence.
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But the way the information was given to us and the way the procedures and policies need
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to be followed and norms were not followed according to them. Before they received the
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body itself, they said, this doesn't look normal. And we addressed the concern that
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it could be some foul play here. And we knew from the very moment we heard the news, we
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know it's not suicide. Next day, in the death news, and I'm shattered, was calling police,
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calling medical examiner, coroner's office, homicide unit. We've done everything we can.
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So tell me what you know about what's been proven from the CCTV, from the surveillance
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footage about your son's last moments. Is there any evidence anyone came in or out of
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the apartment?
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No, actually, even when our attorney concluded it's a suicide, even at that moment, I mentioned
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to the attorney, look, there are three entrances to this building. One of them is gated. It
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has CCTV. Other two entrances don't have CCTV. And why are we ignoring that nobody came
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in, nobody went out? And also what we just recently discovered is his packages are missing.
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His roommate or no, his, you know, neighbor in the apartment complex, he mentioned that
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in the, they have a shared package room, they have a shared bin or basket or something.
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He's seen Suchi's package until December 31st. He reached out to me through Twitter on the
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ex-platform. When I tweeted, he found out I'm Suchi's mom. And he said, have you picked
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up Suchi's packages? I don't see that after January 1st. Those packages are missing. When
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I talked to that neighbor, he said, like, it's very common that packages get lost.
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In September, they received a notification that if you see so-and-so man, then let us
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know. And that tells us a lot about the security. And, you know, like, there's a compromise
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of key, there's a compromise of entrance. All of these need to be investigated, obviously,
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when there is a murder.
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So let's get to the reason that I am anxious to do this interview, which is this report
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that you commissioned, Dr. Dinesh Rao, and it contains his analysis of the condition
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of your son's body based on an autopsy, I believe. And it critically contains seven
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crime scene photographs that you took in your son's apartment. Is that correct?
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That's right. There are seven evidences that were very critical, which has not been picked
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up by the authorities. Within 40 minutes, they concluded they haven't even picked up
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critical things like a bag with blood that has my son's saliva in it. They haven't
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picked that up. And how could they miss haze falling all over from the wig?
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Right. So that's what I want to get to. So the two things that jump out to me, the first
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thing that jumps out, and it's very obvious from the photographs that you took, is that
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there's blood all over the apartment. So the official explanation is that your son shot
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him, and I'm sorry, I know this is hard, but I think it's important to go through this.
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The official explanation is your son shot himself once in the head, and the bullet entered
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the brain stem and extinguished life immediately.
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Can I say something there?
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Yes.
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It didn't touch his brain stem at all. It didn't even touch his brain. And the angle
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is downwards.
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Yes. I'm saying the official explanation is he shot himself once in the head, he died.
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Yes.
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But these photographs show that that's not at all what happened, because there's blood
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all over the apartment. There's blood on the door, on the floor, in the bathroom. There's
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blood everywhere. So that right there, just employing common sense, tells you that the
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person from whom that blood came, your son, presumably, did not have a fatal brain injury,
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at least when he was bleeding. I mean, this is something that was going on in the apartment,
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right?
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Yes.
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The second thing that jumps out is that there is a tuft of hair that's not hair. It's from
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a wig.
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It's from a wig, and there's a clip scene.
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Okay, so tell us what that is for people who don't know. It's part of a clip-in wig.
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Like there's some kind of plastic band or something that fits the wig on the head.
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We can see that coming out behind the door.
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Yes.
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And that's obvious evidence that no crime scene investigators or police can miss. They
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just ignored everything that showed murder, and they picked up everything that showed
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a cover-up suicide.
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But how could they ignore? So your son did not, I mean, he was a 26-year-old man with
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short hair from pictures. He's not wearing a wig, correct?
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No, no, no, he is not. And these hairs are not his. This investigator's analysis looked
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at the hair from the autopsy pictures, but my son's hair, and this hair, this is not
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his hair.
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And the portion of the wig, the clip-in wig, has blood on it.
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Yes.
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Okay. So as a non-forensic investigator myself, I look at that and I'm saying, that's a,
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well, where did this come from? And there's blood all over the apartment. Right there,
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I would say this is, you know, maybe it's a suicide, but you're going to have to tell
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me how, because that, you know, what is that?
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It's not a suicide. It's a homicide, obviously. We have enough reasons to believe that.
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One is coming from the private autopsy. It's not a suicidal angle at all.
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So you said that, and let me let you explain. It's not a suicidal angle. So you had the
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crime scene, your son's body was taken away. It was evaluated in some way by the authorities.
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They say this is a suicide. You have like a real autopsy done by Professor Rao, and
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he says, what about the bullet angle? Will you explain that?
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The autopsy was done by Dr. Joseph Kohan. And he says two things. One of them is the
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bullet angle is going downward, about 30 to 45 degrees downward. It's been shot here.
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It's missed the brain. Second thing is there's a head injury on the left side of the head.
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In fact, I spoke to the medical examiner's office, the executive director. I told him
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there's a head injury, the sign of struggle in the bathroom. He just declared that I'm
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the decision-making authority of the state of California. I decide the cause of death.
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And when I brought up we'll have federal investigation, there was a momentary setback in his voice
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on the phone, but still they're holding on to suicide.
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So Dr. Kohan's autopsy, and this is grisly, I'm sorry, but shows, demonstrates, proves
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that the bullet was fired at what angle?
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Yeah, it's downward angle, that someone cannot shoot themselves.
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Right. So in other words, if this were a suicide, your son would have had to have held the
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gun to his forehead coming down.
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He was made to sit. If you look at the same thing, like the victim was sitting down,
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he was made to sit, someone standing, he shot him down. In fact, like Balaji and I, my
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husband and I are going to create a virtual reality. Once we get all the evidence, we'll
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create a virtual reality video and present it to court what exactly happened to him
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at that moment.
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You also said, if I heard you correctly, that he had another head injury not caused by
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a bullet.
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Yes.
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Can you tell us about that?
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Actually, it appeared to us that from his fallen toothpick and blood in the sink and
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all that, it appeared around 10-ish because 10-10 is his last browser history on the
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desktop. He was brushing his teeth before going to bed. He was attacked from behind
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on the head. That's where this fallen dustbin, this fallen toothpick and his earbud has
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fallen in two different directions because of the head impact. And we believe after that,
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he was either electrocuted or he was, you know, like he was paralyzed from the head
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injury. And then he just, they just held him up, made him sit and shot him. But also,
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we know that, that we are waiting for further report, but that may not be the cause of death.
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The gunshot wound is not the cause of death. And probably they might have suffocated him.
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We don't have any details of that cruelty, but we are waiting for further reports from
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CT scan.
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Why do you believe the gunshot was not the cause of death?
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Because it's not touched the brain. It only causes, makes him unconscious.
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So the autopsy shows that the bullet did not touch his brain.
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Yes. And also since I called the apartment on 23rd at 12.15 PM, it rang once and it went
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to voicemail. That makes me believe the killers were still there in the apartment. Again,
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we need to verify all that. We can do something called geofencing. Through that, we can figure
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out who was there, who was visiting that complex and all that information. That's exactly
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why we need thorough investigation.
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You certainly do. You said your son's last browser record is from 10 PM ish.
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10 PM.
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And what was he looking at? Do you know?
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I think he was looking at a black cat or something. Because last time in Swachhri
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and I met, a cat was going in front of me. And then I told him it's a superstition. And
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then he was looking at neuroscience topics. And he logged into a website for the, you
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know, for the startup or something like that. He logged into a website and he was doing
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some research.
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So he wasn't looking up, how do I kill myself?
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No, that's the first thing that we look for actually.
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Of course. Of course. Of course. I mean, killing yourself is a profound decision. People,
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there are signs.
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And can I say something? It doesn't add up. If he's so brave to go to news media, to
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be a witness, he's so courageous. How does someone so courageous do a cowardly act?
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It doesn't add up at all.
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What doesn't add up is there's blood all over the apartment. And there's a piece of
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a wig on the ground covered in blood. That's not his wig. And, you know, you don't need
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to be a detective to imagine that if someone's going to commit a murder, he might be wearing
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a wig as he goes into the apartment. So that right there, considering your son didn't
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wear a wig as a 26 year old male.
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Hairs were not his. That's also another thing.
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What weren't his?
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Those hairs were not his hair. We have the picture of his hairs. His hair is fallen down
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in the bathroom sink. That is different from the wig in the hair in the wig. His original
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hair has been found on the floor. They might have strangled him by his hair or something.
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His hair has fallen down. That hair versus the wig hair are different.
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Did anybody hear anything in the apartment? Did anyone hear the gunshot?
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No.
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No one heard anything?
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No one heard anything.
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And two entrances into the complex have no surveillance cameras?
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Yes.
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Wow. It makes the hair in your arms go up.
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Yeah, it's a lot.
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Yeah. Again, I've been involved in many stories like this, more than five, and I've never
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seen one like this.
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This brutal.
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It's unbelievable. So what's unbelievable is it's so obviously not a clean cut story.
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I mean, you wouldn't walk into an apartment with blood splattered everywhere and see a
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man on the floor with a gun in his hand and say, oh, it was a suicide. Well, how did
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the blood get in the bathroom? He shot himself in the head. Like that doesn't even make
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sense.
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It was a cover up, right? So they picked up what they want to pick up. We don't know
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if they have been instructed to do this beforehand.
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So, okay, let's thank you for describing all of that. And I'm sorry. I know it's awful.
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Yeah.
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But tell me how the authorities responded, if you don't mind.
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The authorities have been very indifferent. In fact, we hired an attorney, a senior attorney.
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He wrote to chief of police, city administrator, chief medical examiner, executive director
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of medical examiner. He wrote very clearly a couple of points. One of them is he was
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not suicidal. Before making a decision of suicide, they need to take his mental state
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into account.
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Yes.
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He has happy pictures. They shared the pictures. He just came back and he said, talk to four
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of his friends who accompanied him. And he also said the autopsy information in that
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letter. The autopsy report says that this is the angle of gunshot. It doesn't look
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suicidal at all. A doctor described this as atypical, abnormal, worrisome angle. We wrote
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all of this to them. We just had them to reconsider it and do the investigation. Chief of police
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apparently has agreed to do investigation, but medical examiner stopped it. He said,
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no, this is suicide. And the attorney came back and said what they said was, oh yeah,
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the angle looks different. So what? It's a suicide.
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A man shooting himself in the forehead from a downward angle. I'm not even sure if that's
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possible.
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But we are going to demonstrate that. We just ordered a dummy gun. We're going to create
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a dummy of his size and we're going to demonstrate using the VR. We're going to demonstrate
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to people it's not possible.
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Who is the medical examiner who refuses to reconsider a pretty obviously silly explanation
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for this?
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His name is David Hellman.
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David Hellman is the San Francisco medical examiner.
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But he has been covered by David Sewell, who is the executive director. Every time we call,
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it's him. And even the news report is given by David Sewell. There's no foul play there.
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David Sewell. And who is David Sewell?
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He's the executive director of medical examiner's office. He is the one who's holding on to
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suicide despite of seeing all the evidences. He wants to declare it only suicide, nothing
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else.
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What does he make of the bloody wig and the blood splattered in the bathroom when your
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son was not found in the bathroom? Like how does he explain that?
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He didn't want to listen to it. He didn't want to pay attention to any of the things
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that we were saying. And you know the worst struggle here is the first attorney, he was
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reluctant to help us. When he said, when medical examiner's office said suicide, he didn't
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want to fight because they have been threatened obviously. Then we hired a second attorney.
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He got a crime scene investigator and our attorney said, we'll give you explanation of every
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blood mark. And he came back this Monday and he gave explanation. None of that explanation
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he gave corroborates to what happened in the apartment based on what we see. That means
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even the crime scene investigator was bought. He gave inaccurate results. If both the attorneys
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are like this, then where do we go? We definitely need some serious help here from the authorities.
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Okay, so the authorities would begin with the mayor of San Francisco.
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Mayor of San Francisco. Actually, Sam Altman is on the transition committee for the new
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governor. He's the friend of the new mayor. Sam Altman is a friend of the new mayor.
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Yes.
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Okay, so let's move up. Then you go to the governor of California, Kevin Newsom.
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We're trying to. We are first trying to meet the district attorney of San Francisco, DA
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of San Francisco. We probably are going to get an appointment sometime next week or
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later this week.
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It's mid-January. Your son was killed in November.
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We're not been getting any appointment. We wrote to everyone. We wrote to Rob Bonta.
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We wrote to DA. Like we didn't get any appointment from any of them. Five weeks were wasted
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by our first attorney. He does nothing. He just keeps prolonging, prolonging, prolonging.
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He wasted five weeks. Then we hired a second attorney. It's been almost two weeks since
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we hired. But now like we just didn't trust any of these people. We got a report from
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someone else. And now we're coming to media because these people like none, neither the
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authorities nor the attorneys are helping us.
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This needs to go to the Department of Justice, I think, in the Trump administration.
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I did write.
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You did?
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Yeah. We haven't heard yet because it's only been a few days. We did write to them.
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Has anybody in a position of authority in the state of California said to you, boy,
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this needs more investigation? It doesn't look right.
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Everybody is suppressed. No one has come in our favor. In fact, even our attorneys,
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whom we hired, have been made to tell us a suicide was every day from every different
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angle. That is a push for us that it's a suicide. But we parents, we know and we want
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to fight for justice for our beloved son.
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But I don't understand on what basis. So your son had just come back that day from
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hanging out with his buddies. Okay. So which is like a happy thing. No evidence that he
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was suicidal whatsoever and tons of forensic evidence that he was murdered. So on what
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grounds are they saying it's very likely he killed himself?
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Okay, that's because of the cover up. Remember, like there was a gun near him. He owned
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a gun and they put a shell casing and four bullets near it. They made it look like it.
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So there are both the evidences, right, for the medical examiner to pick up. He picked
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up the one that looked suicidal. He ignored the one that looks like homicide. That's
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what it is.
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So now to Sam Altman. What contact with Sam Altman have you had since your son died?
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We contacted HR for 401k plan details. Until then, no one from OpenAI ever contacted us.
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They gave the PR report that they are supporting the family. How? Suchir obviously put parents
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in his emergency contact, right? They got the death news on December 13th. They made
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no attempt to contact us. And when we reached out to HR, Sam Altman said he wants to talk
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to us. By then we already knew Suchir was, you know, his presence or his living would
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have been a threat to AI industry in general. I wouldn't want to name one company, but
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eventually it's going to expose everything, right? So we didn't want to talk to Sam Altman.
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And then they said we provide employee assistance program. Though he was a former employee,
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we said we have medical insurance. We don't need it. Then they pushed us saying we want
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to get you on a Zoom call ASAP to go over his stock options. Then our response to that
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is why are you in a hurry? We are not. We've lost our son. We're grieving. Money is not
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important to us. Please talk to a private attorney. And we had a private attorney talk
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to the HR. This is our only- They wanted to talk about his stock options? Yeah. That's
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why they wanted to get us on a Zoom call.
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Do you think, do you believe, you can't know, I guess, but do you think that Sam Altman
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was involved in your son's death?
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We don't know. We need to investigate it. We can't, you know, we can't say anything
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at this time. But one thing I know for sure is if he was deposed, there are a few organizations
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who could have been impacted for that matter. Like there are a lot of AI companies which
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violate copyright law. And we don't know what OpenAI wanted to hide when my son deposed.
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What was the wrongdoing that he would have brought up? Not just the copyright law. That's
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exactly we need FBI to investigate thoroughly. Was there any criminal activity? Was there
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any illegal activity? We don't know, right? Why? Why would they silence him? What would
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he have spoken? If it's just the copyright law. Do you think these big organizations
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like Microsoft and OpenAI care? No, they don't care about it, right? Because they have money
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and power. What else was involved in the deposition, in the testimony that took my son's life?
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We need thorough investigation.
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So you haven't seen those documents. You don't know.
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Okay, there are two things here. One is the custodial documentation, right? The second
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thing is his own statement. His own statement we heard from few former employees of OpenAI.
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There are certain wrongdoings there.
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Like what?
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We can't say something that someone shared, right? So I would want to keep it more, you
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know, just an overview that something like that. So that is the reason they're hiding.
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And you know what? If we come and tell openly our life could be at risk, but we are taking
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the risk and coming out and telling publicly that's the reason our son was killed, because
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he knew something that was going on. Keeping in mind, he was feeding the data, right?
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Pre-training data. So he knows.
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So to be clear, you think this is not simply about OpenAI stealing copyrighted material.
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There's more than that.
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100% sure. Because copyright data, obviously, my friends and I were all talking, these
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companies, they get many lawsuits like this, right?
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Sure.
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Do they really care about it? No.
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What is the kind of thing they do care about? What kind of crimes do you think they would
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kill someone over?
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Stealing some data that could cause a violation, possibly. They might be stealing some data.
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From the US government, from other governments?
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Anyhow, something like that. Maybe government is involved, we don't know. We're speculating.
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That's just a remarkable story. Do you think that we will find out? Like, how will the
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rest of us find out what your son testified to?
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That's exactly why we call out to President Trump to do a thorough investigation. We want
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the FBI director to be assigned to investigate this. This is not just about copyright. This
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is about a lot of other things that are going on that could cause harm to society potentially,
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not just my son's death. There's something harmful that needs to be evaluated and thoroughly
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investigated. That's exactly why they're covering up a suicide. Why do you think medical
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examiners, the executive director would come and tell? Why do you think nobody gives us
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appointments? Because there's some kind of foul play and there's strong power behind
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medical examiner.
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So you're saying that AI itself poses a threat to the world and that your son understood
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this.
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Yes, he understood it, but he was keeping in mind that's one aspect. The other aspect
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is he knew everything open AI does. And he might have actually felt overwhelmed by what
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kind of activity he got involved in. We know that he spoke to a copyright attorney, which
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is again a cover up, we suspect. And what Matthew Butterick told us on November 29th
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is, yes, I met with your son. He's a very brave man. So, he told us what open AI did
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to him. He didn't say anything beyond that. That day, he said, I live in San Francisco,
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LA. I come to San Francisco quite a few times and I'm going to talk to you next time when
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I come. And then he's been silenced. He's not telling us anything. We had our attorney
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call. Even then, apparently, he did not say. So, if we depose him, he's going to spill
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out everything. And also, we suspect he's Sam Altman's friend and he's played against
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our son and has indirect involvement. We don't know.
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Wow. There was a moment where Sam Altman left his own company or seemed to leave his
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own company for a few days. You may remember this. What was that? Do you know?
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Sam Altman was fired. This was because of AI safety issues. The board of directors for
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open AI from the nonprofit side, especially one called Ilya Sestov, he and others, excuse
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me, fired Sam Altman. And then all the 700 employees, including my son, wrote a letter
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or a momentum saying that if they don't reinstate Sam Altman, they're all going to resign.
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So, they brought Sam Altman. They fired Ilya, who's an AI safety expert. And to be honest,
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few days after my son's death was announced, December 15, Ilya was seen in a presentation
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in one of the conferences. He had two security guards with firearms around him. He was so
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scared of his life. So, we are seeing a mafia behind all these things, honestly speaking.
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What were the safety issues that caused Sam Altman to get fired, do you think?
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We don't know if it's a safety issue or whatever. We don't have the details of it. Even my
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son doesn't know any of these things. In fact, he supported Sam Altman's reinstatement.
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Yes, you said that.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like a lot of AI safety people have been leaving OpenAI. If you notice their
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CTO, Meera, I don't know her last name. Their CTO also resigned. Many people have been
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leaving OpenAI, not just the researchers.
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Why?
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That's exactly what I want to know. Why? There's so many people to leave, obviously.
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There is something, right, that they're not happy about. Right? Only person who spoke
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against them was my son. The rest of them just quietly walked away. My son, he couldn't
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take it. He felt like, you know, he needed to stand up and tell the truth so some harm
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can be prevented. We need to investigate all this seriously.
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Did your son ever mention, during that period when Sam Altman left, that very brief period,
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there was a report in the news media that said within OpenAI, AI itself was being worshiped
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like a god. Did he ever mention anything about that?
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No, he didn't. Suchil didn't mention.
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And do you have any sense of what these harms are? I mean, clearly people are afraid of
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what AI can do, not just by eliminating jobs, which is enough to worry about, but there
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are other things that people are very concerned about. Do you know what they are?
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They are in my son's publication. Some of them he's covered. One of them is like less
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traffic means the loss of jobs. That was one of his concerns. I'm proud of him for bringing
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that up. He gave the graph, graphical representation of how the traffic is reduced to stack
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overflow and fuser website that are a means of living for people. That will be taken away.
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That's his concern. And also the accuracy, as I mentioned earlier in the interview, the
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accuracy of data. And also he says something called like the modulation index or something,
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0.5 versus 1.0. He tells in his article, if it's 0.5, the data in and data out are not the
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same. If it's one data in and data out are same. Most companies, including OpenAI use 0.5.
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That means the data accuracy is not maintained. That is his biggest concern. He being kind of
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like an architect inside, he knows in and out of chat, GPT. What happens next? If my son were
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alive, he was planning to bring a competition to OpenAI. He was working on a medical startup
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I even checked with him. How do you think it's a competition? Not directly. Mom, it's an indirect
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competition. He said he would have been a great humanitarian. He would have done a lot of causes
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for humanity with the concerns he had. We lost a great human being, not just my son, who would
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have made a big difference to the world. Now, what we want is we want justice. We want death
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sentence to the one who killed my son, as well as imprisonment for people who were behind it.
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We don't know who it is, but we want to know. And we want to know what my son stood against
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and take actions, at least in honor of him, at least do something that he stood for and, you know,
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let his soul be at peace. What happened to the piece of wig found on the floor soaked in blood
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in your son's apartment? Where is it? It's still there. We didn't pick it up because we want police
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to go and look at it. It's in the apartment right now? Nobody came to do the investigation.
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We have the apartment case. Nobody came to do the investigation. We have been requesting police.
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It's sitting there right now. Yeah. Still there. We didn't pick up anything because it's crime scene
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evidence. But no one's investigating it as a crime scene. No. In fact, like our attorney said,
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up to December 31st, these people will retain the apartment. In fact, we are paying the rent and we
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are maintaining the apartment as is because we want someone to come and investigate all these
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things with so much evidence. If medical examiner still calls it suicide, this is an ethical question,
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the regulatory question. So it's just sitting on the floor right now? Yes. It's the same place.
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We didn't touch any of that. This is a really crazy story. It is. Reality, right? It's not a story.
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It's how gruesome it is. And like you see all the bloodshot, like there was a fight and my son has been
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tortured. He didn't die immediately. And where can we go with various peace of mind for us?
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We can't, we just don't have any peace of mind. Our life is not normal at all. The only thing that could
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make a difference after the loss of our son is getting justice, punish the wrongdoers, protect AI.
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Did you know that California was this corrupt? Yeah, we know it's very corrupt. That's exactly why we're
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requesting FBI thorough investigation. We didn't speak to an agent, I think last Friday. We're waiting for
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that agent to get someone assigned, if you know, special agent or something. And we also know that there's
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a transition period in the government. Some may be moved, transferred, some may be leaving. So we just thought,
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okay, let's wait. Meanwhile, we did all the groundwork that we needed to do. We have the evidence. We are
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here in the media. We're telling the media now we want a new oncoming federal government to intervene
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because Newsom, we know Trump himself makes a lot of statements against Newsom. We don't trust, we wrote to
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Rokana. You talked to Rokana, a congressman from Silicon Valley. We wrote to him. No response from him.
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Many people tried to reach out to him. Not one, many people. No response from him. Because they're all inside, right?
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All this tech lobbying. Okay, I'm gonna, you know what? I'm gonna text Rokana right now. Please do. I'm going to.
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I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to text him, I'm going to
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initially we thought it's holidays time so he's little busy but even it's 14th of January today no response yet.
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Okay, I'm, I'm going to, I just texted him right now and I just sent him pictures of the relevant information and I hope that you'll try again.
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I mean Rokana is the Silicon Valley member of Congress.
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We don't believe in state government at all. We know how corrupt it is, especially in San Francisco Bay Area. It's very very corrupt.
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We don't believe in the system. Unless you know we change the governor, we won't believe anything will happen here.
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We need to go to federal and we also found out that he's protected under the Whistleblower Act as well.
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You found out what? I'm sorry?
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Whistleblower, there's a federal aspect as well.
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Yeah, he's a whistleblower, yes.
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There are two things here. One is wrongful death, one is a whistleblower.
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The whistleblower comes under federal because the lawsuit was filed in New York and he was a custodian witness.
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So we have a backing from federal government involvement. If it's just the state, corrupt state would fight against it.
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Since it is federal, they can overtake the federal aspect.
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We are writing to the Federal Trade Commission now, today or tomorrow.
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And we want them to do a quiet investigation of the case.
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We have a top attorney in whistleblowers that's helping us through one of Maine's contingency bases.
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We will work with him and bring the truth out.
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I mean your son was born in this country. You can't murder American citizens because they're standing in the way of your business.
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That is not allowed in this country. You can't do that.
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Imagine we are immigrants here and we came here, we raised our son, we were so proud of him.
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We don't expect this to happen in this country, in America.
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No, that's right.
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We don't expect this to happen. Like sense of security has been lost for me ever since.
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Do you worry about your safety?
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Potentially, now that we've gone so public, they may not target us.
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But there might be some kind of threat in terms of accidents or something like that.
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Potentially, indirectly, they could harm us that they cannot be caught. We suspect that.
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And I don't go out alone anywhere because I'm more vocal.
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So I don't go out alone for walk or anywhere. I always take my husband along.
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And we make sure if we go somewhere, we inform our friends where we are.
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We just keep letting people know. In fact, I don't want my family from India to visit me because it's a big risk for them.
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Has the New York Times called you to do this story?
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We called New York Times two days after we got his body. And we told, I think his name was, I don't remember his name.
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So we told him many times. They haven't even interviewed.
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They ignored it completely.
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And he said he'll get back. He will say he'll let us know what he can do. And he doesn't even take our call.
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What about the television networks? CNN, NBC, Fox? Is anyone?
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Nobody. ABC just relate the candlelight vigil that we had for Sushiran Milpitas.
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One point five minutes they relate of the vigil information. ABC News.
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Local.
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Now that we just received this evidence today morning, we probably might reach out to some of the news media.
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Now that we have this evidence, news media will talk to us. We want to take it much forward.
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For the third time, I just want to say this again. I don't think anybody, any honest person could look at this and say, oh, yeah, that's a suicide.
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We were hesitant because like they can try to manipulate the evidence or something like that.
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We were very hesitant. You know, like they can even attack the apartment, remove everything, clean up, you know, like some things, crazy things like they might cause a fire and then let the water sprinklers go on and it will destroy the evidence or something.
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That's why we were very quiet. We didn't go to media until we got this authoritative report.
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It's very scary.
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Well, I'm I'm grateful that you're making, you know, as much noise about this as you are and you're as aggressive as you are.
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Thank you for doing that. And I'm going to whistleblowers. Lives matter.
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We cannot lose it. Honestly, I was talking to my son. I expressed concerns about his whistleblower activity.
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But what I was thinking was he won't get another job because he's going against employer.
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Right. He kept assuring me he has his own plan startup plans.
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But taking his life is something that I never expected.
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This is not the first time two whistleblowers from Boeing were found dead last year.
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One of them exactly same way. Another one died in the hospital.
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They drugged him. This is America.
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Yeah. Thank you for this.
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We need to protect them. Most whistleblowers, we were talking to the whistleblower attorneys.
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Most of them, they don't even know there is support. There's not enough awareness going forward.
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We want to create awareness and help others.
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Not just that. There should be some kind of regulation, protection.
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And I'm sure we're going to talk to New York Times at some point of time and said, how did you put his life as trust?
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If he was a custodian witness, why didn't you give him protection?
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Why was he left alone? Right.
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What kind of protection did he have for speaking truth costing his life?
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Well, I think most Americans like you would not even consider the possibility you'd be murdered over something like this.
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You know, the penalty you would assume would be, you know, having trouble getting another job, but getting killed in your apartment.
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And your son, I know I've asked you, so I want to make totally clear.
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He never mentioned being followed or feeling threatened or anything like that.
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Actually, I do have some observation.
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After New York Times article came, he didn't want us to visit.
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He would come home and avoid me going there.
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And he would also come during the weekday, not the weekend.
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I want to investigate why.
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Was he already under some kind of someone was following him or something?
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I was about to demand him an answer, but he's no more.
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Like slowly, you know, like with an adult son, like how much can we push him each time we visit?
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I just made sure like he's eating well and he's healthy and he has strong plans.
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He has hobbies, all of those things.
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But this kind of information, why are you coming in the weekdays?
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I didn't get a chance to push him.
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He was going to come for Thanksgiving. And that's when I would question him.
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I thought he wasn't even alive till then.
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We didn't have enough time.
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Thank you for telling us this story.
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Thank you for hosting us.
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We want Americans to know what happened and why has the mean covered by news media?
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Why no one is talking about it?
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Why they want to repeat like parrots what medical examiner is saying?
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Why they don't want to stand up for truth?
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Why are we so sold out for these tech lobbies?
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Is there any regulation on the amount of money they can spend for lobbying?
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Right? It's indirect bribe, right?
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So they're all sold out.
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Can't we do anything?
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I'm an American citizen too.
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This is totally disappointing.
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A reporter came home.
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He took the pictures. He wrote the article.
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And when I mentioned OpenAI's name, there was so much fear in him.
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He was scared.
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He was scared.
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So the tech companies, they're controlling and they're turning out to be mafia.
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Controlling the government, controlling the news media.
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What more harm do we want from them?
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Do we public?
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Do we need to live in safety or do we need to live in fear?
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What are we doing?
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Why are we quiet now?
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Now that the innocent life is gone, we're seeing so much going on.
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Why are we quiet?
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Why can't we start justice for such a moment?
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Why can't we do rallies?
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Why can't we go on a non-stoppable movement until we get the justice, until we get the punishment?
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I'm calling out to all Americans to stand with me.
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We want to do rallies all over America.
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We want to do vigil all over America.
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And we want to enforce FBI investigation and punish the culprit.
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I hope this helps.