1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,420 Well, now is your chance to be absolutely clear about this. Are you saying you did not go into 2 00:00:04,420 --> 00:00:12,060 that building to try to stop the certification of the accurate 2020 U.S. presidential election 3 00:00:12,060 --> 00:00:16,360 result? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I did not go into the building for that reason. And the fact 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,760 that you still think that I did just shows how distorted the media lens actually is. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,340 On that point, Jay. No, Jay, Jay. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,960 That's never been my intention. I'm just literally looking at what you pleaded guilty to. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,500 That's what I'm going from. You pleaded guilty to unlawfully obstructing an official 8 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:38,480 proceeding, i.e. the certification of that. But didn't the Supreme Court just say that that 9 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:43,020 is not a practical application of the law whatsoever, and that the government was 10 00:00:43,020 --> 00:00:49,100 bending the law to gain convictions out of people? Give us your reaction to being pardoned 11 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:55,420 for that day by President Trump. It feels just like it should. 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,560 Go on. 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,040 I don't think that pretty much says it all. 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,320 Describe your emotions when you heard. 15 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:14,160 I think I heard, I got the news from my lawyer when I was at the gym, and I walked outside 16 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,560 and I screamed freedom at the top of my lungs and then gave a good Native American war cry. 17 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,980 And did you expect him to follow through on what he has promised on a number of occasions 18 00:01:25,980 --> 00:01:27,240 through the campaign trail? 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:34,180 I expect Donald Trump to be a man of his word like he has been for decades. And that is a 20 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:39,120 track record that we don't have with pretty much any politician in D.C. for the most part. 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,440 Very few have that kind of a record of saying the same things and doing the same things, 22 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,100 which are pro-American, for over 30 years. 23 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:53,580 You wrote on X after you'd heard the news. Thank you, President Trump. I'm going to buy some 24 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:58,960 mother effing guns because presumably now your record has been wiped clean. You are allowed to 25 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,280 buy guns again. Is that what you're going to do? Have you gone out and bought them already? 26 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Oh, yeah. Well, I want you to think about something. The mockingbirds in the media and the government 27 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,300 demonized me. They made me social pariah. They attached things like QAnon, conspiracy theorist, 28 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:23,420 white supremacist, insurrectionist, racist, homophobe, terrorist. They attached all those labels 29 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:30,260 to my image. And then they imprisoned me for 27 months, 10 and a half in solitary confinement. 30 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:36,080 And then they released me to the public as social pariah without the ability to own a firearm. 31 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,000 So I can never really actually bring in a gun to a gunfight. I always have to bring a knife 32 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,020 to a gunfight. And you do realize how wrong that is, right? 33 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:46,740 Jay, you pleaded guilty. 34 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:56,160 I pleaded guilty. So is this how we do things in England, I see? Yes, yes. You can't see, 35 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,040 you know, the forest for the trees, my dear. Hmm? 36 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,500 Why did you plead guilty then? 37 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Have you ever been in solitary confinement before? 38 00:03:10,180 --> 00:03:11,620 Tell me why you pled guilty. 39 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:17,220 I'm asking you the question, dear. Have you ever been in solitary confinement? The answer is no. 40 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:23,840 Have you ever had the media and the government simultaneously mischaracterizing your involvement 41 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:31,580 in some sort of a politicized travesty that is being used to actually circumvent the law and 42 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:36,440 certify an election that in every way, shape and form has all the hallmarks of a regime change and 43 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,760 corruption? I mean, you've never been in my shoes. You don't want to be in my shoes. You're too afraid 44 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,460 to be in my shoes. That's why you're behind the camera that you're behind and I'm behind the one 45 00:03:45,460 --> 00:03:50,180 that I'm behind. And that's why I'm asking you to give me an insight into why you pleaded guilty. 46 00:03:53,020 --> 00:03:57,380 I just gave it to you. But like I said, you can't see the forest for the trees, my dear. 47 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Explain it to me. Go on. 48 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,740 No. I am in no way, shape or form obligated to explain anything to you, especially now. 49 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,960 What do you mean, especially now? Because you're a free man and you've been part... Well, 50 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,100 you were released a little while ago. Not just that. I've been vindicated more than 51 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:21,560 once, dear. And the BBC now has its reputation in the gutter. You guys covered up Jimmy Savile for 52 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,000 years. You covered up the rape gangs for years. You guys got the Dorian Gray image right in front 53 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,300 of you. You got your own painting right in front of you. I mean, it's no offense. It's what you guys 54 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:36,920 deserve as an institution. I don't know if you're one of the people that covered this stuff up, but 55 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,080 I mean, you guys, you all know what you did over the last several decades. You know who you've been 56 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:49,000 protecting? I've spent years covering abuse of young women and young men as it happens. But 57 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,240 anyway, not long after you... I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. Did you cover the 58 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,760 rape gangs or did you help cover that up? Did you cover Jimmy Savile while he was doing all that 59 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,320 stuff to those children with special needs? Or did you cover the fact that Prince Andrew went to 60 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:08,840 Epstein Island? Not long after you were jailed, you said you regretted what you did, that you were 61 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:15,400 wrong for entering the Capitol building. And then when you got out of jail, it sounded like you 62 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,320 weren't remorseful or regretful anymore. Where do you stand now? 63 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:28,460 Holding on to regret or hatred or anger or depression is bad spiritual hygiene. 64 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:33,020 I regret nothing. I regret nothing. You understand? 65 00:05:34,180 --> 00:05:35,260 Would you do the same again? 66 00:05:35,580 --> 00:05:42,800 Because I'm a better man because of what I went through. Do you regret things that are hard that 67 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,320 you go through but make you a better human being? No, because they made you a better human being. 68 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,460 And in all honesty, if you think of my lack of presence there on January 6th, 69 00:05:52,460 --> 00:05:57,420 then what you'll find is that January 6th narrative no longer has an Achilles heel. 70 00:05:57,420 --> 00:06:02,680 So I was the Achilles heel of the January 6th narrative because the media made me one. 71 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:09,400 Because they lied. They lied in mass to billions of people. And then it came back to bite them in 72 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,400 the ass. What did they lie about? And how has it come back to bite them in the ass? 73 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,580 Lord, if you can't read the writing on the wall, dear, there's nothing I can do to help you. 74 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:20,980 Jake, I'm asking you. 75 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:23,460 Oh, and I'm telling you. 76 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,240 You dig what I'm saying? You can't figure this out on your own. There's nothing I can do to help 77 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,460 you, dear. There's nothing I'll be able to say to you. Do you understand? You can lead a horse to 78 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:40,020 water, you can't make a drink. You can lead a person to knowledge, but you can't make them think. 79 00:06:40,340 --> 00:06:43,420 I'm leading you to the knowledge, but it's up to you to think about it. 80 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:49,640 Donald Trump called you, all those who were convicted after January the 6th, called you 81 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:56,700 unbelievable patriots. I wonder if you also support the pardoning of those who were convicted alongside 82 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:59,740 you, but who attacked police officers, for example. 83 00:06:59,740 --> 00:07:10,060 Well, if they served their time, if they were in prison at the time, then they did their time. 84 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:16,800 They did their sentence. I leave it to the president's discretion, in all honesty. He's 85 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:23,040 the one that has the Department of Justice and the files at his disposal. He's the one that has the 86 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,940 large legal team. I don't have any of that stuff. I trust his judgment way more than I trust the 87 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:31,540 judgment of people like Merrick Garland or Joe Biden. 88 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,920 I wonder what you would think if people had tried to stop the certification of Trump's 89 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,200 win this time around. 90 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:43,000 I didn't try to stop the certification. That's the thing you people just don't seem to understand. 91 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,740 I wasn't necessarily saying you did. I wasn't necessarily saying you did. I was just asking a 92 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:47,360 broader question. 93 00:07:48,580 --> 00:07:52,920 But stopping the certification was not in the best interest of any Trump supporter. We wanted there 94 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,020 to be a debate. It was in the best interest of the deep state. That's why I believe they staged the 95 00:07:57,020 --> 00:08:02,880 whole thing to begin with. In all honesty, that's about all the time I have, my dear. 96 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:07,380 Would you do it again? Would you do it again, Jake? 97 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,680 What kind of question is that? Do you mean like if I had the knowledge that I have now, 98 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,740 would I go back and do the whole thing all over again? Is that what you're asking? 99 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:19,880 Yeah. Yes. Is that it? Yes. 100 00:08:21,180 --> 00:08:24,960 If I had the knowledge I have now and I could go back, I would try to stop the whole thing from 101 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,920 happening. I'd go down to the Capitol before Trump was even on freaking stage and I would 102 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:36,740 hold sacred space. I would say a prayer. I would get everybody focused on God and God alone and not 103 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:41,440 easily provoked. Thank you very much for talking to Newsnight, Jake. We appreciate your time. 104 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,240 God bless. 105 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,240 God bless.