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present the second of two sessions recorded
at home with antony peak inspired by his

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cheating the ferryman the revolutionary
science of life after death is their life

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this age-old question has plagued humankind
from the moment we became self-aware but d...

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after death one that brings together ideas
from ancient philosophy neuroscience quant...

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and consciousness studies and manages to
explain a number of seemingly mysterious

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such as precognition deja vu synchronicity
near-death experiences and out-of-body

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is their life after death which introduced
his revolutionary model since then he has

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more evidence using new studies by
world-leading researchers theories from th...

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hawking carl yung and hugh everett together
with testimonies of near-death experiences

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and precognitive experiences which give
everyday clues to our immortality

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rather than in conflict with our present
understanding of how the universe works

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so folks hello and welcome once again to
leave your lives freedom i'm here

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at home with antony peak and this is the
second session of our discussion about

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up at session one just click on the link on
the information page for this talk leave l...

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dot com you find the link towards the bottom
of the page however this section can be

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independently so i said at the end of the
first session we're going to get into the

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again into the fascinating realms of quantum
physics you know we we danced around this

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shall i call it i like that word a lot i
prefer to aspect you know i find myself in

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talking about the many different dimensions
of these selections but yeah the nature of

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use the idea or the phrase rather scaffolding
in that the 3d5 sense reality that we're

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here that time and space function as you know
at the their metrics we can use that are y...

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very even human constructs in some way to
make sense of this experience you know we

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nonsensical and scrambled so we need that so
i don't know how you'd like to kick off a

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on the fundamental nature of time and space
in terms of the cheating the fair man

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you know the core of your new book well i
suppose i'd like to open with one of the

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way of making sure that everything doesn't
happen at the same time and there's a deep

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there because of course einstein also said
that time is an illusion but a very very

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and of course i'll end up with my three
quotes by also quoting saint augustine who

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about it and then suddenly you find it isn't
now of course time is the is is another

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spacetime and it is the framework by which
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einsteinian physics um what happens is that
when you get towards the speed of light ti...

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are aspects of the same thing so suddenly you
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about what is really taking place now is time
something that is clock time and you look ...

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clock and you see a thing a hand moving
around but that's geometry it's not time a...

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thing i know that is measured by itself you
can only ever have a minute of a minute an...

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know whether your minute is the same as my
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and everything else as well and i spent 380
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to understand what time wasn't at the end of
it i was like saying to go augustine i i

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about space when you think about space what
do you think about what do you think about

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absence of things space space is something
that is between objects and Ernest Mack who

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was a very famous german um physicist um
argued that if there were no objects in sp...

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and one of them disappeared what would happen
to the space

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around the other planet the planet that had
disappeared it would disappear literally

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because space is absence of things and it
used to be that the um the original

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but it's more complex than that you know it's
it's not just the container

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and it's not just empty recent discoveries
have found that when we think of empty spa...

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actually got is something called the quantum
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the zero point field that seems to fill space
and time as if it's kind of almost you kno...

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old principle of the the luminiferous ether
the idea of there's the substance that lig...

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through to get from the sun to the earth and
this is where the big questions start to lie

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look at human life in terms of time and it
comes down to um the concept of the lingus

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is a hindu concept called the long body and
how i'd give the analysis of this is i say

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your retina scans 24 images a second which
like a cartoon you then get the feeling of

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but just imagine a creature that's critical
fusion facility is an hour so if you it's

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having a stop motion camera in a room and you
have the exposure open for a minute so in

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as they walk around the room but that's no
more the correct viewpoint than our viewpo...

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all arbitrary depending upon how you view
things so then imagine the critical fusion

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year and imagine that a creature whose
critical fusion facility is a year looking...

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would be a corkscrew as the sun itself moves
towards alpha century so it'd be like a

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two spirals going around each other and then
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eight to nine feet would just be this mass of
protoplasm as people walk into each other and

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wander around so suddenly the idea of space
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now then you can imagine if somebody was able
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life your whole life in one image and what
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like a snake and it get bigger and bigger and
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your life is one slice and this is called
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an event at the national theater about 12
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by j.b priestly and one of the concepts of
time in the conways is how time works it's...

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clever play check it out if you can and
indeed if you're interested check out my b...

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what the the director did i think it was a
ghoul group of ghoul and what he did was h...

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central actress and she was leaning against a
fireplace and she was wearing this beautif...

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edwardian dress and what they did was they
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dressed in exactly the same way as the
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all standing in slightly different positions
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them you had the illusion of movement and he
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and it was an extraordinary effect and this
very much backs up the theories of somebod...

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arguments time is not what we think it is
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else is absolutely i mean lots of people
would have experiences of time that would

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period worked usually slowed down that tends
to be the speed up is also possible the

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in there my favorite quote is grab your marks
time time time flies like a banana but fru...

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like a banana but fruit flies like a fruit
like fruit something like that i'll look a...

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saying about common one being time flying
we're having a good time and the other sid...

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there for 10 minutes but it feels like a week
now in our interview around a labyrinth of

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which again people will find linked up here
that's out but time flies like an arrow bu...

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like a banana so so the other side of what i
was saying was you know you're sitting in ...

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waiting room we need to be drilled you're not
going to be there for 10 minutes but it feels

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i remember telling you about experience i had
car crash and it was a high speed car cras...

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i lost control of the car and went into a
spin 360 degree spin i did multiple 360 sp...

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crossed the central reservation into the
oncoming traffic collided with the car com...

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i went through a fence at the other side of
the road and into a far less speed and

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the car came to rest and that was that but i
clearly remember the experience

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came to rest and that was that but I clearly
remember the experience of when

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it happened I just remember I could see what
was happening with the car I just

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remember going no no no no because I thought
I'm gonna die and then the

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car just flipped around as soon as it starts
flipping perception of time

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ballet dance and I had time to think of I
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there's a car coming the other way come
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not going to be able to stop I'm out of
control there's nothing I can do right

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again a car is going to hit me shortly it's
almost only maybe I'll get past the

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car and into the feeding before he reads oh
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don't know if I'm hurt bang the fence and
then all the grass the long grass

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coming up around the windscreen and
eventually car stopped and I was sat

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there and I just noticed that the radio was
still in the car the engine had cut

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out but the radio was still playing and I
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all of that felt like it happened in the time
that I just described it yeah it

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was maybe what three or four seconds it was
literally you know the car or bang

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bang bang through the fence that was it you
know but all that really felt to me

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like it was happening in slow motion and it's
a cliche but that's what it felt

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like so I thought it was worth recounting
that and maybe people listening to this

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and in your current book you mentioned the
experience of someone climber having

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a fall and I had a little miniature version
of that didn't come to any harm

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but I was in Cumbria walking along I say
walking along a rock face it was only

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maybe the drop was maybe seven or eight feet
and I slipped the top and fell off

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at a slight angle and I slid down that went
on my back and slid down on my back

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and landed on rocks below my back completely
on the hurt but as it went

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down I'm ever thinking again this is it oh
that didn't hurt when I fell over I'm

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sliding down this but I know it's down below
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gonna fall and see it's just some rock and
then I remember thinking oh my jacket

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go back to the B&B and clean up. I don't know
what this happened to me then I went

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bang on to the rock and it took about two
seconds so my brain is almost like a

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dream sequence my brain has been able to
process all this stuff and have a

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completely different experience now if that's
possible then map that onto some

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of the extreme experience you talked about
people you know in terrible road

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accidents and what happens to their people
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phenomena that you detail in the book and but
if you even had an inkling of

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time dilation like I have and you have then
you can begin to make room for that

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in your own experience and this is what I
think your book is so good at it's

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pointed to experiences that I think a lot of
people can relate to but for some

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reason they don't make the bleep you don't
say okay I hold that experience if

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that's the case what does that say about time
and space and their place in our

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perception reality I think you're quite right
there and it's it's something that

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has long fascinated me this whole
undistressed time dilation and in the

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the initial book in 2006 I very much put it
down to the glutamate flood and I

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argued that in times of great stress the
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there's been parallels drawn between the
effects of glutamate in the brain and

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the the recreation will now recreational drug
ketamine and people who take

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ketamine tell me that they have the similar
sensations of time slowing down

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but I think it's more complex than that I
think that probably what is taking

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place here is it's a release of undogonous
dimethyltryptamine in the

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into what an associate of mine Beach Barrett
calls metatonin which is in

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dogonous DMT and the DMT then puts you into a
completely different perceptual

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time frame and clearly it is some kind of
survival mechanism because you had the

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rather than being in a car crash you would
have had time to calculate your

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next move if somebody was attacking you or
something like this so you can see

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the evolutionary purpose behind behind that
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argument to say well as I said earlier on in
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an argument to say that what happens is that
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remember I was discussing about mountain
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them and this is such a common occurrence
people the amount of people

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that have spoken to me that said they have
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interestingly enough people also experience
this of people who experience

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temporal epilepsy people who experience
migraine and various other things so

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something that I've long been fascinated with
as well time slips you know when

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people find themselves and it happened to me
I had an extraordinary experience

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in 1984 I was traveling around Turkey and we
got to a place called Miletus

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river called the Menderis and the Menderis
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meander from it's a big river valley and the
river meanders down and we were

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wondering around the ancient site there was
only about four or five of us and I

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broke off from the group and I felt
disassociated yeah I felt what Jenny

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Reynolds would call the orc factor I just
felt strange and I wanted to be away

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onto the roof for some reason and I sat on
the roof and I'm looking out over

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the river valley the front river plain going
down towards the sea and

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there was a hill in the middle of the river
plain and suddenly the air seemed

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to shiver around me and this absolutely
happened to me suddenly the the river

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look I could see was an island and I'm
shaking my head and there's this kind of

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silent buzz a silent feeling a buzzing
electricity in the earth and then I

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swear I saw the front of a Greek tyrene come
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and everything shimmered and it disappeared
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magazine and they had a travel section and in
the travel section somebody had

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the guy had written and he said he said I was
at Miletus recently and I had the

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most peculiar time-slip sensation exactly so
somebody else had had in the

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same location because I checked up the
history and I was seeing Miletus as it

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mentioned earlier with the last session
because what you just described is

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also like that scene in The Man in the High
Castle yes seeing Los Angeles as it

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was in a different time period and if we're
talking about time or sort of

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illusion it isn't because we have some kind
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passing linear time so it's not an illusion
in that sense but it's not as it

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appears to be so that given so there's if
there isn't time if there isn't past and

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present in that linear sense that we're
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even the time so everything it doesn't happen
at once basically that's why we

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have time but in that context if you were
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or as it still is but but in that that is a
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never-ending now in that case what happens to
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nested and stacked like that if our way of
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what we call the near time that can account
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be accessible in certain circumstances and
it's quite an important point here

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about one of the other areas of quantum
physics I discuss and it's something

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but very very intriguing and in this model it
argues that there are two forms

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of waves time waves or even just waves of
electromagnetic energy called advanced

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and retarded waves and advanced waves go from
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retarded waves I think I never always never
know when I get this the right

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going backwards in time so there are two
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one going backwards in linear time and I
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the two of them intersect where they where
they hit each other now if you take

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two waves and you put them together and you
overlap overlap them you get what's

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called an interference pattern which is again
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science more and speak to people that really
know about this but for an idea

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let's assume that the present moment is
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advanced waves and retarded waves coming by
the way the guys coming up this

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guy called John Kramer if anybody wants to
read it and the present moment is

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literally just that interface and it doesn't
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more clearly about what we talk about time
flow and it's a very important

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point Marcus Aurelius used the term time is
like a river but the counter

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question is well if time is like a river how
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measure a river you stand by a river bank and
the river bank can tell you

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which direction the river is flowing and what
speed it is but imagine there's no

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river and it's flowing but what's it flowing
against what is the measurement

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tool it's not clocks because clocks are not
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argument was and it's a very clever argument
put together in 1927 by an

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Irish aeronautical engineer called John
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onto this time which he called time two and
time one moves against time two and

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time two moves against time three and he
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that each of us has a conscious awareness in
each of these times so there's a

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Greg that exists in time one which is you in
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then there's another Greg in even broader
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precognition and JW Dunn explained
precognitive dreams this way in his

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book his book an experiment with time and he
argued that this is how we

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recognize things in dreams because when we
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interesting than we first understand it to be
now if there's better embedded

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times this would explain why sometimes you
can flick within times your

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perception is in the present moment what
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time but you can move within time now of
course as you know Philip K. Dick in

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discovered that he in fact time had stopped
in 70 AD when the the temple

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was destroyed by the Romans after the
Maccabean Rebellion and that time stopped

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stopped then and he in fact was somebody
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sequences but who's to say that we're not a
myriad of characters in our dreams so when

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dreams are you actually dreaming the life of
somebody else that's living in a different

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the example of either which Robert Monroe
encountered when he was in his out-of-body

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experiences and I'll always love the tale as
you know Robert Monroe was a world-famous

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experience where there's a series of books on
it was a businessman that had a series of

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out-of-body experiences but what used to
happen to him he'd go into an out-of-body

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either and literally he would just drop into
this guy's body in the most peculiar of

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he'd suddenly go to sleep and suddenly he'd
be looking at this guy's eyes and there wa...

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incident which was humorous beyond words
whereby he finds himself in this guy's bod...

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the middle of a business deal and he's got
these guys sitting in front of him he's

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about so he starts rambling and he said he
said that either his wife was looking at h...

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what's wrong with you and then he found
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interesting this could be almost the parallel
with temporal lobe absences when people have

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temporal lobe epilepsy and they have absences
or the idea of drop-ins that you have in

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you know or a medium suddenly has a drop-in
spirit that just comes in from nowhere cou...

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about I'm not sure if the phenomenon has been
given a name but the one that sticks in my

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without being able to recall all the specific
details it was somewhere in a big city in ...

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in modern times um a can't remember even if
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Victorian era just decades gone by and just
somebody just thinking this is a is this a

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drinker is this a homeless person why are
they dressed like that there's somebody wh...

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you know they just appear to not know what's
going on and the story you know that the

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the same well that you know that place is
different now blah blah blah so they appea...

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they appear to something like you know jumped
forward in time again experiencing the cit...

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as they would see in the future and that's
why they're so confused but this particula...

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they looked into and they got this person's
name and details and they looked up the

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were complete at this point because it's
starting up I think with industrialization

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almost a rural existence you know we had a
census and things like that yeah so they h...

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and say yeah look we have this person this
name this address in the 1920s and they

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never to be seen again so you have to look
that up but that's one story I remember

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and it's documented and if you want to say oh
well you know what does that tell us well ...

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example who give detailed accounts of past
lives and they then verify details in thei...

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they could not possibly know you know a
little child of five or six saying I was t...

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this place in this time and I did this and I
did that and researchers you know there's

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of these across the world they've gone into
it they said yeah that checks out there's ...

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particularly like that one it was it seemed
like a form of time travel it's very

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that somebody that I've been interviewed by
on a number of occasions and he's intervie...

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a guy called Paul Lino who is a ghost
researcher in Rhode Island in the States a...

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particularly interesting stories of one of
the events he was involved in was the trap...

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where there was supposedly ghostly activity
in the the the I think it was the basement...

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and he and him and his team investigated this
and they could see children moving around

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of a picture a kind of film spread and the
kids could see them and they were looking ...

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waving at them and they realized that it was
a it was a time slip they were actually

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was doing an investigation and this is
extraordinary he was doing an investigatio...

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somewhere in I think it's New Hampshire and
there's a particular village in New Hampsh...

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particular hauntings take place and him and
his team were there and they were surround...

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sound of horses moving and cart carts moving
and people talking to each other in this

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some notes of the sound of the language but
they discovered the language was Welsh so

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research and lo and behold there was a Welsh
speaking community in that area in about

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1760s so again we have these kind of time
capsule traps where people can either move...

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is which is discussed there's there's mrs.
mobily and Jordan in 1903 or 2004 I think ...

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they had the time slip in the tweedery
gardens at Versailles all of these suggest

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slip within and out of the weavings of time
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suggested that the reasons why these time
slips happened there is it's underneath is

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the railway lines come from it's in the in
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because somebody contacted me after I made
that statement and they were an engineer a...

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yes literally under Boll Street is where all
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Boll Street and they will see it completely
differently there's so many elements you know

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for some people walk down and they'll see the
shops as they were in the 1930s and it's

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just once but on many many occasions so what
is taking place there and then you have th...

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and him and his friend finished the the shift
as a fruit pickers and they drove about th...

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miles to the local pub and they got to the
local pub so they left work at 3 10 minute

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3 it was the time when pubs were open all day
went into the pub bought themselves a pint

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did the same thing and said how is it six
o'clock where had they gone what had happe...

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there they'd been snatched by aliens but they
both swear and Richard you know is a groun...

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he said I have never been able to explain
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and again I think these are clues to
something very intriguing I think I find i...

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through interviews and these general topics
like throwing in pop culture references an...

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TV series that went out in the late 70s one
of the best bits of television ever made i...

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and from the golden days of your television
is it was a challenging medium something t...

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make you think it TV series called sapphire
and steve oh yes you might remember they d...

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deal with the time anomalies time slips and
all sorts of high strains shall we say so ...

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are not familiar with sapphire and steve
check that out many of the episodes are

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one thing I didn't quite get on to earlier I
think in the last session was

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what's going on and how whether we're really
attuned to that or not you know will vary

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person to person and but can we say that even
group phenomena like that you know there's

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gentlemen you experienced that time slip or
another you know the daemon being an

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of breadcrumb trail perhaps and suggestions
that you know this this experience you're

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is not what you think it is yeah and if so
well is there a purpose for that are we be...

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you know encouraged towards something are we
just being played with is it there's there...

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with us it's literally like you know like
it's a series of clues nail on the head

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hit the nail on the head there that concludes
part one of our interview part two will be