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The Hidden Universe, an investigation into non-human intelligence with Anthony Peek.
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This is going to be awesome, ladies and gentlemen.
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Thank you very much for joining me this edition of Leap Project.
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I'm your host, Rex Baer, and I've known Anthony for about 10 years now.
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We've actually done several interviews together, and I'll leave links in the video description box for our previous shows.
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The first time we had a discussion was about 10 years ago with an alternative website platform that had a roundtable group discussion.
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I was one of the co-hosts. That was a lot of fun.
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And he always brings it. Every time we talk, it seems to go to the next level.
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If you haven't heard of Anthony before, let me give you a quick introduction.
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Anthony Peek is rapidly developing a reputation for being one of the world's most original thinkers in the study of altered states of consciousness,
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non-human intelligences.
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His work focuses on finding scientifically based answers to the great mysteries of human consciousness from near-death experiences to the reality behind encounters with extraterrestrials and non-human intelligence.
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So today we're going to talk about his latest work, The Hidden Universe, an investigation into non-human intelligences.
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But almost forgot, let me share with you an intro to the hidden universe and investigation into non-human intelligences from aliens or ghosts to the Jinn, fairies and UFO abductions.
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This book is the most comprehensive and enlightening survey ever made on encounters with the others.
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This book continues Anthony Peek's work in developing a completely original model of reality based upon an amalgamation of ancient belief systems, subjective human experiences.
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Of the extraordinary and the latest discoveries of neurology, neurochemistry, quantum mechanics and cosmology.
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This model proposes that consciousness, far from being simply an accident of evolution, is the actual root source of the material universe.
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It suggests that at its most basic level, everything that is seemingly physical is rendered into existence by consciousness.
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Check out Anthony's website, AnthonyPeek.com. Subscribe to Mr. Peek's YouTube channel.
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I'll leave the links specific in the video description box.
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Let's rock and roll.
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I'm also recording it. So, Anthony, it is an honor to speak with you. Thank you for being a guest on the project. I love the hat. How the heck are you?
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I'm really well. I'm really well. And the fact that both of us are wearing matching hats certainly says something. Is this synchronicity? Is this superposition? Is it spooky action at a distance? Who knows?
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But we're wearing the same hats, slightly different color. But other than that, yeah, because I was sent a lot of nice freebies by Julian over here in the UK.
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And I've got the baseball cap and various other things in the snood. So it's really cool. Really good.
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I wanted to talk about that. So that's actually another matrix thing. The super positioning thing here.
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One of the first questions that I had lined up for you is you talk about the others. And they seem to be everywhere and anywhere.
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Yeah. What are they, man?
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Well, that's the billion dollar question. And in my latest book, I try to come up with a concept I call the agregorials.
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And what I'm putting together is a hypothesis to suggest that they are part of us and not part of us in the sense that we create them.
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And they they use our intelligence to bring themselves through from somewhere else.
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Now, the one thing you will know about my work, having read it, and I know people who read my work will say this, there is nothing but nothing I ever write that is not backed up by pure science.
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I don't mean by speculation. I do not mean anything of that sort. I mean, literal academic papers and research.
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So whenever you read my books, you will have page after page of references to academic articles.
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I very much take the approach of saying, what does the science tell us about this? And then take it from there.
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And there's developing a lot of information here at the moment to say about what these what these entities are, how people communicate them, what kind of circumstances do they communicate?
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And we can talk about this over over a period of the next two hours.
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But to me, there's the strong evidence that these entities have been with us for an awful long time since the beginning of time, really.
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They're part of us, you know, from Tulpas to, you know, because this is what magical traditions have always been about.
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It's been been actually creating these things in one way or another.
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That was actually another question I was going to ask is how far back with the research that you've done with this subject?
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Like, when did they start writing about it? Or do we have evidence that they start?
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Well, it's more than writing about it. It is depicting it. It's cave paintings.
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And I was intrigued to discover that around about 2017, I think it was there were excavations being done in northern India and they discovered a cave that hadn't been open for ten thousand years.
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And inside the cave were cave paintings and the cave paintings depicted creatures with large almond shaped eyes, two slits for a nose, slit for a mouth and two holes for a nose with large bulbous heads.
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Now, this was in northern India. At a similar time, there were there were a group of cave paintings down in the Draconsberg Mountains in South Africa, which Graham, Graham Hancock talks about.
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Okay, called the Junction Shelter. Within these cave paintings, they depict exactly the same creatures.
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Now, the reason I was particularly intrigued by this, I don't know if in my last interview I discussed my mother's experience.
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You did, but could you refresh us again on that?
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Okay. Okay. My mother is somebody who was somebody that wasn't interested in any shape or form with anything weird or unusual. You know, she really just she didn't do this.
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But one evening she phoned me up and she had been walking on to the village with my aunt.
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And she was brought up on a comparatively isolated village in the northwest of England.
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And she phoned me up and she said, Tony, I've just had a really strange experience. And I said, what? And she said, well, I was coming home, your aunt lent down to tie her shoelace.
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And as she lent down, I looked over her head and I saw her over Price's Factory, which is a local factory up on the world that my father used to work out, which is closed years ago.
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And she said she saw what she described as a cloud of smoke. And this cloud of smoke was moving around in a vortex and then shot off towards North Wales.
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Okay. And she said, Tony, what did I see? And I said, well, Mom, I don't know. Now, the interesting thing and the important point about this, and it's central to my overall hypothesis here, is that my mother lost her eye with malignant melanoma about 15 years before.
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And she was developing cataracts in her good eye. So effectively, she was partially sighted.
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So whatever she was seeing was partially an external reality and also part of her.
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Okay. Now, what is intriguing about this, when I posted this on Facebook, soon after it happened, I had a message on Facebook from a friend of mine called Morrigan Howkins.
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And she had been traveling on a bus that day on the A41 road on the world, crossing something called the White Bridge between Bromwell Pool, where this happened, and a place called Port Sunlight.
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And she saw the UFO. She saw it fly over the bus and a lot of other people saw it because they looked at it.
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Okay. So there was something out there in three dimensional consensual reality that had been seen.
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So whatever my mother saw was out there. Now, she then, my aunt stays overnight, and then the next day after the day after, two days afterwards, sorry, she phones me up in the morning, and she's in a state of hysteria.
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And I said, Mom, calm down. What's the problem? And she said, Tony, you know the way I live alone, you know the way I always close my bedroom door, I'm very, very sensitive to the fact that, you know, what's happening, and I'm on my own.
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She wakes up in the middle of the night and she's in a state of sleep paralysis. Now sleep paralysis, as you know, it's like REM intrusion, it's the way in which the body paralyzes you to stop you damaging yourself when you're in a dream state.
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So it literally paralyzes the limbs so you don't thrash around, damage yourself and damage other people when you're having a nightmare.
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So you can't move, but sometimes you wake up in this state, and you feel like there's something sitting on your chest, it's been known for years, it's known as the hag, it's a standard trope within esoteric traditions, and within out of body experiences, lucid dreaming and everything else as well.
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But she said that she looked towards the door and she noticed something strange, she noticed that the door was open.
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Now not only that, but as she was watching the door being open, the door was open. She noticed three spindly fingers come down the edge of the door, and this entity pop its head round, and her description was quite precise.
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She said it had huge black insectoid eyes.
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She had two holes for a nose and a slit for a mouth and she said it looked at me and realized I was awake, and it dodged back. It was aware of the fact I was seeing it.
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And she said, Tony, what the hell was that? Now, putting two and two together, she sees a UFO and the very next night, she has an encounter with a classic gray.
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Okay, now the image she described there is exactly the same image that was found in the junction shelter. It was exactly the same image that was found in these cave paintings in northern India.
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So clearly whatever this is, it's some form of archetype, it's some kind of image that carries us through.
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Now, if you then, I then spoke to my mother and a few days later, I'm talking to her, I visited her and I'm talking to her.
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And she turns around to me and she says, the children that sing when I'm shopping, they've stopped singing, they don't sing as much anymore.
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And I said, Mum, what children? And she said, the children, they sometimes come in the house as well. And she said, they're not really children, they're little people.
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And they sing to me, they have this high pitched sound they make. And I thought, are you letting children in here, Mum? And she said, no, no, no, they're different to that.
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She said, they're like small people. And she said, but they're not as friendly as the old man in the kitchen because he smiles at me. And I'm going, what, you've got an old man in the kitchen?
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And she said, yeah, yeah, he never speaks, but he's very friendly. Now, I know from my writings and my own research in terms of unusual psychological states, I immediately drew two and two together.
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And I said, she's partially sighted, she's elderly, she's developing what's called Charles-Bonnet syndrome.
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Charles-Bonnet syndrome is a known effect where the visual system, because it's not seeing things properly, it starts to confabulate imagery in the external world.
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And it's normally figures, it's people standing around, it's people looking at people, it's a hypnagogic imagery, you know, that imagery you get just before you go to sleep or just before you wake when you see faces in profile, where you hear whispering voices.
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It's called hypnagogia just before you go to sleep and hypnopompia just before you wake up. Again, these are known psychological effects. There's nothing here I'm not saying you won't find in the standard book on psychology.
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So Charles-Bonnet syndrome was something isolated by, interestingly enough, somebody called Charles-Bonnet, who was a Swiss doctor, and he discovered that his uncle, a guy called Charles Lewin, started describing to him, he was seeing people, women with wonderful flowing hats and things, but there was nobody there.
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And Charles-Bonnet decided that this is something that's related to somebody getting old. It's usually with elderly people and normally people with partially sighted.
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So I managed to get my mother to go to the doctor and the physician she went to see, self-evidently, had never heard of Charles-Bonnet syndrome because I said, look, this is what she's seeing, and I suspect it's Charles-Bonnet syndrome.
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The doctor looked at me as if I was mad and said, I've never heard of that. I said, well, I suggest you check up on it because we don't expect doctors to know everything about everything.
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And she said we subsequently got a diagnosis because Charles-Bonnet syndrome can be a precursor to Alzheimer's disease. And I was right. We then got the diagnosis and she said Alzheimer's disease.
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Now, the reason this is happening and the reason she was experiencing this is something quite fascinating.
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Alzheimer's disease is caused by things called amyloid plaques. These are bodies that what they do is they get into the brain through the bloodstream, they get into the brain.
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And what they do is they literally explode the neurons of the brain.
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Now, they particularly attack things called the microtubules. Now, microtubules are very, very tiny bits of protein.
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And they are the protein that hold together the neurons of the brain because, you know, neurons of the brain can be very, very long.
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Some of them can be feet long. Okay. And they need structure. So just like you'll have a structure to a house, these are the things that hold it together.
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But the amyloid plaques hit these and they destroy them. They stop them functioning effectively.
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Now, there's a guy called Stuart Hammerhoff, who's professor of an East theology at the University of New Mexico, Arizona.
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I'm sorry. It's Arizona. And he has been working with a guy called Roger Penrose, who recently won the Nobel Prize for physics in the UK.
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So this is a top mathematician, top mathematician guy. And Hammerhoff and Penrose have been developing something called a theory about how quantum effects bring about consciousness in the brain.
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It's called orchestrated objective reduction or ORC-OR. Okay.
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Now, they say that what is taking place is that consciousness is drawn up from somewhere else from the quantum field by the microtubules in the brain.
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Now, I'd argue that the microtubules act as a kind of a reception signal, like a television reception signal.
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And these are the things that bring in the signals from elsewhere, because they know that microtubules are quite strange structures.
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They give off single pulses of electromagnetic energy. And the single pulses join together from either side of the microtubule to cause interference patterns like holograms inside the microtubules.
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Now, I've argued, as Rick Strassman has argued and other people, that all these things together, working together, create what we consider to be external reality.
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They create this external hologram that we consider to be reality. Okay.
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Now, when the microtubules start to get damaged by the amyloid plaques, this is what then brings about the opening the doors of perception, which was one of my previous books, opening the doors of perception.
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And all my previous books, I do the neurology of this. So what I think is happening is that, do you know the way, in 1954 Aldous Hoxley wrote his book, The Doors of Perception, and he wrote the book because he'd had influence.
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He'd taken hallucinogenic substances, which have been brought down to him from Canada for him, and his experience was so powerful, he realized that certain substances open up the doors of perception.
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They allow us to see the reality behind the reality. Now, again, the doors of perception is taken from the Orgas of Innocence, which was written by William Blake.
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This is a William Blake poem.
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And William Blake says, If the doors of perception were open, we will see the world as it really is infinite. Okay.
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So, rolling back now to my mother's experience, what I think happens when the amyloid plaques attack, they destroy the brain's ability to filter information.
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To act as what Aldous Hoxley and C.D. Broad, an English philosopher, called the reducing engine. The brain reduces what is out there or what is available to our perceptions.
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It reduces it right down to allow us to function effectively within this world.
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So, for instance, you never hear, you're talking now, we're talking now, you're hearing my voice, but there's probably a sound of traffic, there's all the other things around you, but you don't hear them.
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This is because this is how we need to function. But when the doors of perception are open, suddenly they get wider. Now, I'll finish this monologue in a second because then we can apply what was happening to my mother and her experience of the entity.
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Together with young children.
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Young children have what's called quasi-corporeal companions. A guy called Michael Halliwell wrote a book a few years ago, and he cited the term quasi-corporeal companions.
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What quasi-corporeal companions are, are when children have these mythical friends that they have that they see. Because children see these things all over the place.
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They are, their minds are open. Why are they open? They're open because the neurons of their brain haven't been myelinated yet. Myelination is in the neurons of the brain, it's the insulation of the neurons.
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And when the neurons get insulated, it breaks down your ability to open your doors of perception, it reduces you down.
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I also argue that it's to do again with the myelination of something called the corpus callosum, which is the thing that holds the two sides of the brain together.
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So young children have this experience and elderly people have these experiences. They're the same experience. You know, and in my Bicings, I think I'm the only person that suggested this.
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That neurologists need to be looking at this because again, as a finishing point, a friend of mine called Maggie Latorel has written a book called The Gift of Alzheimer's.
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And in The Gift of Alzheimer's, she describes in detail her mother's deterioration into Alzheimer's disease. Her mother was starting to develop precognitions.
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She was seeing visions. She knew what her daughter was up to, although her daughter lived 250 miles away.
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Intriguing. So I do the neurology of this, and I believe these entities are around us all the time, but our brains are locked into, as Plato said, we are locked into the, we're seeing the shadows on the wall.
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But under certain circumstances, when we take DNT, when we have experiences, when we see entities, the doors are open suddenly and they can come through, if that makes sense.
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It does. And you actually just, I was, it took me, as I'm listening to you, I'm like, okay, I got to write down the way to ask him the next question, because it's a deep question.
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And you answered a lot of it there towards the end when you said you think that there's a lot of these beings around us, but we don't see them necessarily because of the limitations we have in our body.
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So this is what I wrote down. This is the way that I wrote down the question.
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I think it's awesome, Ed. So many people are complimenting the hats in the chat. It's awesome. And Julian's in there. He's like, yes, yes. So Julian, man.
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Brilliant. Thank you.
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Oh, it's awesome.
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Okay, go on then.
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Okay. And you know what I respect about you, Anthony. Remember 10 years ago when we did that first interview when I was doing, it was a co-host for GLP and there was, you know, it was a great interview, but you made, you said, look, man, I'm about the science.
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I'm not about the conspiracy thing. You know, you made that very clear. But, and you always make a point to show that I think that's super important. Unfortunately, the word conspiracy just means two or more people behind closed doors plotting something that might be nefarious, but it's been turned into like, you know, woo woo kind of stuff.
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And I get it. I totally get it. So I love how you bring the science to the equation because I'm about science too, man. I just, I think. So this is my question. Do you suggest it is a byproduct or side effect of the brain and nothing more or the unveiling of the spirit world? And I think you describe that towards the end of that.
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I think the answer is going deeper. I think at the moment, we have my new book, I'll be describing this in great detail because what I do is I drill into cosmology and I drill into quantum physics.
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And by drilling in, I don't mean that I have a vague idea what these things are. As much as anybody can understand quantum physics. And of course, nobody even Richard Feynman said, nobody really on anybody who claims they understand quantum physics hasn't understood it, which again, Niels Bohr said that.
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But if you look at the pure evidence of what quantum physics is telling us about the true nature of reality, you start to find that reality evaporates solid reality isn't there, you know, that isn't anything solid.
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The only reason that you don't fall through your chair is because of electrostatic repulsion when the atoms of your backside are like a magnet repelling the the the chair and the atoms in the chair and the molecules in the chair.
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So, you know, people believe that this is this is physically real. It's not real in the same way that we believe reality to be, you know, we process information externally and our brain creates this internal model of what external reality is.
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People who believe that there's a one to one relationship between external reality and what they perceive are actually known technically by the scientists as naive realists.
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There's literally they're naive because they don't fully understand and they shouldn't. Why should they? They everything seems solid. It seems real.
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But in the new book, I'm going to be going into this and saying, but if we start drilling down into the behavior of subatomic particles, the particles can be in two places at the same time, the particles can tunnel between places.
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The reason the sun shines is because of something called quantum tunneling, which means that an object, if there's enough subatomic particles banging against a barrier, statistically, a very small amount of them will end up the other side of the barrier.
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They will appear the other and this is how the sun shines. This is how hydrogen is changed into helium.
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So what we're discovering now is that the universe works in a far more curious way and any any physicists that make these wonderful statements saying we understand it all.
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They don't anybody who really knows knows we don't. Okay. So the question is, what is really going on here?
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Now, a guy called David Bowme, who was an American physicist who fell foul of the McCarthy witch hunts in the 19th 1950s, ended up at I think it was Birkpeck College in London.
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And while he was there, he came up with something he called the explicate and implicate orders.
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Now, he worked with Oppenheimer. He knew Einstein. This guy, this guy's big hitter. Okay.
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Massive picket. What he said was that if you look, the smallest possible bit of space you can have is something called the plank length.
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Okay. It's absolutely ridiculously tiny.
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Then you have the smallest thing that we can see with our most powerful microscopes and by powerful microscopes, I'm suggesting things like the Large Hadron Collider because effectively what it is is a bloody big microscope.
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There's a level of around about 14 sizes of difference between the smallest thing we can detect and the smallest thing that is possible.
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Now, that is as big a distance as it is between the tiniest subatomic particle and the universe.
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So there's this whole area of size that we have no idea what's going on.
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Now, what Bowme said was this is where quantum physics starts straightening out and becomes normal again.
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It's what Einstein called hidden variables.
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It's the idea that we see all the effects of quantum physics and they don't make any sense.
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And they don't make any sense because we haven't drilled down far enough into them.
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And there will be a logic when we get further down into them.
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So when we see, for instance, we see subatomic particles being in two places at the same time.
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It's a fact.
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Now, as even Richard Feynman said, what about positing the idea that a lower level of reality,
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two subatomic particles are actually one subatomic particle that we're seeing as two.
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And at a deeper level of reality, they're a singular object.
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Therefore, they can communicate instantaneously something called spooky action of distance or superposition.
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Because if you take two subatomic particles and you entangle them,
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you put them in a superposition, you can get a superposition.
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So you take two particles and you entangle them, you put them in the same subatomic state.
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Then you spin one off thousands of miles away and you spin another off thousands of miles away.
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If you detect one, you instantaneously make the other one change its spin.
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Before they're observed, their spin quality, all subatomic particles have something called spin.
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And there can either be spin up or spin down.
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But you don't know until you've observed a subatomic particle whether it's spin up or spin down.
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And quantum physics is quite precise.
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He's saying that an object has no qualities of existence until it is observed or measured.
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So until it's observed, it's neither up nor down.
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When it's then measured or observed, the one over here sees itself as being spin up.
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And the other one over here immediately knows it should be spin down.
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That's called spooky action at a distance.
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It has been proven time and time again.
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And I'm going to talk about a guy called Anton Zeilinger at the University of Vienna that's doing this work.
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Okay?
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So what this means is that we are interpreting the physics that we're seeing based upon...
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I use the analogy, you know, when I was at university, I did a course on the history of science and everything else as well.
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And sociology of scientific thought.
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And they then changed into a new scientific belief system.
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Okay?
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The guy called Cohn came up with it.
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And the idea is that at medieval times, the medieval scientists, they could explain everything in the same way that we could explain everything, using their worldview.
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For instance, they explained the retrograde motion of the outer planets by something called epicycles because, of course, they believed the outer planets were the outer planets.
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And they also called them something called epicycles because, of course, they believed the earth was the center of the universe and everything that rolled down the earth, including the sun.
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So in order to accommodate, they came up with what they called epicycles, which are the kind of the idea that the planets sort of revolve backwards on themselves.
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They considered it worked.
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But, of course, it didn't because they were looking at it in the wrong way.
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And it was only when Copernicus came along and Kepler and everybody else and it all changed.
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And then suddenly we saw the universe as we think it really is now.
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But the problem is we're doing it still.
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For instance, there is something called inflation.
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Now, inflation is the weirdest thing you can imagine because there's a problem with the Big Bang.
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You talk to quantum you talk to cosmologists.
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They don't like talking about this.
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But the observation of how the universe is at the moment in terms of its state, the way it seems to be in all directions, the same cosmic energy is coming down, the same temperature.
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I think it's something like 2.4 degrees Kelvin.
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So it's 2.4 degrees above absolute zero.
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And the temperatures everywhere in any direction you look, it's the same.
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Now, if the Big Bang started at one point and expanded outwards, there would be difference in temperatures.
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There isn't. That doesn't make any sense.
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Nor does the fact that the universe has expanded far further than it should have done in 13.8 billion years or whatever it is from the Big Bang.
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So in order to accommodate this, like the epicycles, they come up with something they call inflation.
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And the idea is in the first billionth of a second, the universe expanded from nothing.
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Reminder, the universe expanded from a place of nothing.
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There was no time.
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There was no matter.
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There was nothing.
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So how it even started when there was no time is a massive conundrum.
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But it expands outwards at hundreds of times the speed of light.
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They don't know how it did this.
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They have no idea.
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But in order to make what they are seeing now make sense, they come up with this wild idea called inflation.
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Alan Guth came up with it.
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And everybody just accepts it.
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The scientists just accept it.
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That the speed of light, you know, because of course, space is not physical.
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So space is not constricted by the matter that comes.
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It's matter that can't travel any faster than the speed of light.
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But space supposedly can.
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But what was space expanding into?
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Space was expanding into nothingness.
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Okay.
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And it seems to me that they make up these just so stories.
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And to make up what they see, like dark matter, 94% of the universe seems to be missing.
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And the reason it's missing, they think it's missing, is because of how galaxies revolve.
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Galaxies revolve in completely the wrong way.
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That if they, as if the amount of matter that are in them.
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So they realize that 94% of galaxies, the matter or whatever is in the galaxies, is missing.
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So they come up with dark matter.
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They don't mean dark matter is dark because it's dark.
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It's because they don't know what the hell it is.
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They have no idea what it is.
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But they come up with these just so stories.
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It's like how the, I don't know, how the donkey got its tail.
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It's the same kind of made up stories.
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They're all suffering from hubris.
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They don't want to admit that they need to go back to square one.
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You know, there is in England, there's a guy called Heath Robinson that used to be a guy that used to do these wonderful contraptions and drawings.
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I call it Heath Robinson science.
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You know, I met up with a top quantum physicist at UMISS.
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University of Manchester.
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One of the youngest professors in quantum physics.
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Jeff Walshaw.
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And Jeff and I were doing an event at the National Theatre in London.
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So we met up over coffee.
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And over coffee, Jeff just said in passing, of course, we know that every electron in the universe knows the location of every electron.
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You turn around and say that to the man down the pub.
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They'll say, oh, come on.
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That can't be true.
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But these scientists are in denial of pressure.
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They're in denial of deja vu.
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They're in denial of telepathy, remote viewing.
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And yet they're quite happy to believe that the universe expanded thousands of times the speed of light for a few seconds just to accommodate the maths.
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You know, this is not science.
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It's scientism.
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And in the new book, I'm going to be blowing this to pieces.
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I'm going to be really taking this apart and saying, come on, guys, you know, really be truthful here.
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Stop pre-existing.
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You know, really be truthful here.
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Stop pretending that you actually know when you don't.
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You have a model of understanding.
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And David Bohm, I think, is the guy that I'm going to be really pushing his work because I think that Bohm really gets it now.
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So where are these entities then?
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Well, if the universe is not what it seems and physical reality is not what it seems, does it mean that consciousness is not what it seems?
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Because the great mystery of modern science is called hard problem of consciousness.
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Hard problem of science is how inanimate matter in your head, atoms and molecules reacting in fields create Rex, create Tony, create Julian and all those listeners out there.
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Something's going on in your head and it's not your brain cells.
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It's something greater than that because inanimate matter cannot create consciousness.
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And David Chalmers in 1999 stood up at the University of Arizona and made this statement and said, you know, we have soft problem of science, how the brain works.
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But the hard problem is how something as ephemeral as consciousness, all your hopes, all your dreams, the qualia, the taste of a curry, the color red.
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These are all things that your brain create.
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They are not out there.
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And the amount of times I get arguing with people when somebody says, of course, red is out there.
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I've got a red book.
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Well, no, you haven't.
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You've got a book that's surface is bouncing back the electromagnetic spectrum and the white light.
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It's bouncing back just the red part of that wavelength.
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It's a wavelength.
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It's not a color.
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It's just like there's no such thing as taste.
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You know, in the matrix, they say this, don't they?
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But the taste of chicken doesn't exist out there.
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Pain doesn't exist out there.
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You can't share pain with anybody else.
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So why isn't pain an hallucination?
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Say that to scientists and they'll go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, it's different.
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No, it's not.
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It's something that you personally feel that you can't share with anybody else, which is exactly the definition of an hallucination.
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So we need to start really thinking about it.
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And I think that's a great point.
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You can't share with anybody else, which is exactly the definition of an hallucination.
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So we need to start really taking apart.
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And this is why I get quite annoyed with these new age wackos that come in and they make these huge statements and they get crucified.
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They get shot down and they get shot down because they don't do the facts.
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They don't do the research.
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They don't.
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They do their research in a way that they reinforce their beliefs.
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You know, this kind of echo chamber thing where you research things because it supports what you believe in.
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What you need to do is to go back and turn around.
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And when a quantum physicist turns around to me and says, you know, well, you know, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle says this.
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I know enough to turn around and say, no, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle doesn't say that.
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It says this. And you watch them and they'll go, oh, wasn't expecting that.
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Wasn't expecting a non-physicist to understand Heisenberg's uncertainty principle because we are we are the the magical people.
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The magical people that understand all this.
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And it's kind of hidden.
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You know, you don't you don't get discussions on quantum physics.
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Now, going back to my point, then.
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So these entities, I believe, are quasi brain generated.
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But they but to make one final point, and this is the intriguing one, if the universe started from a point particle, a point something infinitesimally small, so small it didn't exist.
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And everything that we have in the universe came from that that singularity.
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That is crazy in the first place. Well, let's not talk about this.
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I'd argue that what is happening is that was when the program was switched on.
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There is nothing on your computer screen until somebody switches the program on.
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That's what happened with the Big Bang. It was switched on.
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OK, so it's switched on and it comes out when it's a point particle.
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Every single subatomic particle in the universe was one single particle.
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Every atom of your body, every atom of everybody else's body was all together in one point particle.
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What did I say before? If you entangle particles, they can communicate instantaneously.
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I believe the whole universe is entangled.
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There is no out there. There is no in there.
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The human brain creates this illusion of space, the illusion of time.
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In order for us to function within this, whatever it is that we're in, I call it the Bohmian IMAX.
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OK, and the entities are out there.
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The entities are part of this.
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And again, as a final point, I believe that the entities can use certain ways.
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And if we get touching on it, I'll tell you about the neurology, because I know your guest yesterday was talking about the pineal gland.
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OK, I'll be talking about the pineal gland in a different way.
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I can talk about the pineal gland as to how the pineal gland works, what neurotransmitters work within the pineal gland and what the pineal gland is really doing.
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And believe me, it is far more exciting than anything you can believe.
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Well, I think we need to go there.
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And I would just like to prime that with the past couple of days.
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Like you said, we've been doing podcasts on the pineal gland.
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And I had a great guest on yesterday, Mr. Jimmy Jones, where he was good.
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Yeah, I saw him.
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You know, man, that guy is really enlightened.
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You could just tell by his energy something truly magnificent happened to him and it changed his perception and reality.
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I think that's beautiful, man.
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And but also the day before that, I had a guest on where he Mika Dank, where he showed how in the Bible in Genesis 3230, Jacob wrestles with an angel of God.
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And at the next day, when he finally finishes wrestling with an angel of God and he prevails, he he says it was in he met him in the pineal.
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And there's a location in Israel in the Middle East that's actually called the Puneel.
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But he brought up the Puneel and the pineal, seeing the face of God and living to tell the tell.
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And pineal pineal gland.
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Hello.
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The connection there in the Bible.
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That's the connection there in the Bible.
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That's that's brilliant.
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He met the face of God in the pineal, but it's described as a place.
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But then you're like, wait a second there, man.
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And that made me question, are there entities that want to hijack our pineal gland because they don't have a connection to source anymore.
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So they kind of want to use us as the as the hookup.
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Well, I hope I hope your guests actually reference where he probably got that from.
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Did he mention Joel Baxter?
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No, Joel Baxter.
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Joel Baxter is a rabbi that lives in
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Manitou Springs in Colorado.
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And around about 12 years ago, he wrote a book called The Dragon in the Torah.
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And in it, he discusses in great detail about the links between DMT pineal gland and the Old Testament, particularly the Torah.
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OK, now I then included that very pineal story in my own book.
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Would have been the infinite universe, probably about 10 years ago, something like that.
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And the link between pineal and pineal and the idea of Jacob's Ladder as well and the links there to it.
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OK, so the pineal source is quite an interesting one, but we can stretch it maybe sometimes too far just because a word sounds like a word doesn't mean it is.
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You know, the reason they called it pineal was because it looks like a pine cone.
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OK, so a word that happens to be in in Aramaic or in Latin into Greek, you know, it doesn't mean because it's Latin, it's Greek.
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You know, it doesn't mean because it sounds like it.
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It's the same thing. And an awful lot of people get carried away.
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It's like numerologists.
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They get carried away with numbers to such an extent they make links, then there's no links to be made.
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There isn't, you know, but there is an interesting point here with the whole pineal concept.
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Now, the pineal gland is intriguing in many ways in the sense that it is the only there's one.
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There's a couple of undivided things in the brain, but it's the main one.
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So if you take the brain, you take the top off the skull of a dead person, open the brain, split it apart, you will find the pineal gland in the center.
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OK, and it's very small.
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And yet there's something strange about it because it takes so much of the blood.
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It needs to be energy all the time.
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OK, now what is curious about the pineal gland is that at the 49th day of gestation.
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It is located at the back of the throat within the womb, the baby as it develops.
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It's in the back of the throat and the pineal gland and the pituitary gland are one single unit called the epithesis.
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OK, now the epithesis then moves from the 49th day of gestation and anybody who's out there, you know, 49th day of gestation.
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It's when the spirit is supposed to enter the fetus and everything else as well.
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So there's a link there.
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It then starts moving back to the center of the brain.
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It moves up to the center of the brain and the pineal gland and the pituitary body split into two separate things.
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They leave something called Rathke's pouch or Rathke's cleft, which is a little cleft at the back of the throat.
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Why I'm mentioning this is that if you look up in terms of certain moods, these are kind of techniques people use to to get into altered states of consciousness.
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There's something called the Kehkara moodra.
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And the Kehkara moodra is people in India and people in the West do this as well, where they train themselves to place the tongue at the back of the throat.
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So you train yourself to lift your tongue up and link to the back of the throat.
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So you go into a state of meditation and then you do this.
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And people claim that there's a kind of an acidic taste they get.
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There's this kind of taste at the back of the throat, which sometimes people call it soma, ambrosia, various terms.
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The question is, this seems to be hallucinogenic and it seems to facilitate a person moving into an altered state of consciousness.
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This is intriguing because Rathke's pouch, it can mention the scenario.
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The pineal gland is there supposedly for one purpose, and its purpose is to generate a substance called melatonin.
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Now melatonin is the substance that makes you go to sleep at night.
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It's something that makes you feel drowsy.
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Now, how the pineal gland in the center of the brain knows that it's getting dark outside is really, really fascinating.
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It sits above something called the optic chiasma.
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It's where the optic nerves from both eyes go into the brain and they cross over at one point to feed the different areas of the brain at the back of the head, the visual cortex.
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At the point they cross, the pineal gland sits directly above it.
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Why does it do that?
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It does it for one reason.
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The pineal gland is an ossified eye.
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It's light sensitive, which means it is sensitive to the fact that there is no signals of light going down the optic chiasma.
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It's going down the optic nerve, which means it knows it's going dark.
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And when it knows it's going dark, it then starts generating melatonin.
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Now within the pineal gland, there's something called pineal sand.
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They're crystals.
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These crystals are piezoelectric, which means that they can be stimulated to create electromagnetic energy.
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Okay.
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Now, why are they doing this?
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Well, I think they're doing it for a very good reason.
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I believe what is taking place is that melatonin, if you look at the chemical makeup of melatonin, it's very similar to another substance, dimethyltryptamine.
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And with just a few changes of a few of the molecules, the structure you can create from melatonin, DMT, dimethyltryptamine.
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Now a guy called Beach Barrett down in Asheville in North Carolina has been working on this with Rick Strassman and the idea of doing the way these chemicals work.
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Okay.
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So the chemicals, they work together.
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And I think what happens is, as Rick Strassman has said, DMT is our reality modulator.
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It's what creates out there.
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It uses the inner visions and it creates this illusion of an external world out there using probably the holographic principles of the microtubules.
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Again, I think I'm right in saying I'm the only person on the planet doing this.
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There may be other writers doing it.
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I don't think there are.
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And if there are, I put my hand up to them and say, you got there first.
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But, you know, I don't think anybody's quite joining the dots in the same way I am.
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It's not being vain.
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It's just a statement of fact.
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Okay.
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So the melatonin is then creates DMT, which Beach Barrett calls metatonin, which is endogenous internal generated DMT.
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I think that is what people taste when they have Cacarda mudra.
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They're tasting the DMT.
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Now, if this is the case, this brings sort of some very interesting facts.
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The first one is if you go and look out in the press and most people will turn around and say, DMT, yeah, we agree.
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DMT is in the body, but it's never ever been found in the brain.
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And they will make these statements.
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Why they make them.
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I don't know.
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They should do their bloody research because DMT has been found in the brain of live mammals.
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In the past, a girl called Jimo Borgigin in 2017 at the University of Michigan found DMT in the brain of live rats, which means DMT is a neurotransmitter.
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It's a neurotransmitter for one reason.
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It works with something called the trace amine associated receptors in the brain.
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Okay.
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The TARS receptors.
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And they don't know why the TARS receptors exist in the brain.
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They do now.
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It works with DMT.
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Coming full circle now.
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DMT.
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When it's taken endognously, I have a group of friends who are doing real leading edge research at the moment into DMT and DMT entities.
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But at Imperial College in London, you know, the guys I work with.
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These are not, again, people who are just reinforcing each other's ideas.
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These are postdoctoral researchers.
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They are neurologists.
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There are neuro chemists.
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Okay.
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And they're testing this.
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And one guy, and I probably told you this last night, I keep getting this wrong, don't I?
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One guy was telling me, who's been on my own podcast, by the way, was telling me that, have I told you this one before on the show, by the way?
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No, you have not.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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Get this.
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Get this.
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And this is where it comes down to the entities.
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He, they're taking DMT intravenously under control conditions under research projects.
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So it's completely legal.
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There's lots of them doing it.
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They're volunteers.
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He explained to me, he said, this guy, you know, he's a PhD guy.
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You know, he's an expert in virtual reality.
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He's doing some amazing work with virtual reality simulations in terms of what reality is and isn't.
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You need to get him on the show.
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Oh, Future of Gaming.
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I'm going to be doing this in the original location of Plato's Cave in Greece.
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My Greek publisher is facilitating this at the moment.
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This is really exciting news.
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OK, so this guy, he takes the DMT intravenously and he finds himself as you do, shooting out of your body.
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And he finds himself in what's called the DMT cage.
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It's this kind of location you find yourself.
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OK, and he's there.
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And as he's in this location, this entity with huge black eyes,
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standard grey, and it comes over to him and it looks him straight in the eyes and it pokes him.
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And it said, you should not be doing it this way.
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This is not the way to do it.
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It then fades back into the darkness.
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He comes down from the DMT trip and explains to his friends.
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He said, that was really weird.
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This entity really had a go at me saying we're doing this wrongly.
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Two weeks later, he goes back, takes the DMT, goes back.
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He's in the DMT cage.
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The same entity comes over again, recognized him and said, I told you last time, this is not the way to do it.
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And has he said to me, this means this entity was independent of him, because if it wasn't, it would be agreeing with him.
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If it was just a lucid dream and everything, but it wasn't, it was telling him off.
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And it remembered him, which means it has independence of thought.
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Okay.
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Now, if the entities in DMT have independence of thought, what does this tell us about the background?
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So suddenly, Terence McKenna, the DMT elves, what do they really mean?
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In opening the doors of perception and in my latest book about entities, I call them the Egregors.
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Okay.
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These beings are using this in some way to come through.
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The machine elves, they're part of us because they're joking.
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But I think that alien abductions, I think, and Whitley Strieber and I have discussed this.
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You know, Whitley is really intrigued by my hypothesis, because as he said, your hypothesis explains totally the whole principle of what he experienced.
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Now, again, you probably know Professor Jeff Kripal, who has worked with Whitley Strieber and has written a whole series of fascinating books.
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Jeff will be, we're under discussions as to whether he will or will not at the moment for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but has volunteered to write the forward to the new book, because he's so intrigued by exactly how I'm smashing through into something quite extraordinary here.
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And everybody, when they come across my work and read my work, there's this sudden light that goes on.
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For instance, there is another professor of psychology that's just recently read my first book, then listened to it on Audible, finished it and listened to it again.
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Because he messaged me and he said, my God, how do I not know about your work? What you're saying is absolutely extraordinary.
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And it's because I'm comparatively little known, and it's very sad in many ways that I was supposed to be speaking at Contact in the Desert this year and last year, but because of the COVID lockdown, I won't be able to make it, which is really sad, but I'll be involved in the, we're trying to do it online in some way.
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This is really important stuff, and it links everything in the book. I think everything from the work of Alastair Crowley to Ayywas to Strieber and his grays, right through going back through time, right back to Anunnaki, the role of the Anunnaki, the role of entities in that period, the role of the jinn within Islamic tradition.
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It all makes sense.
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It may not look like it's sense, but when you start to drill in, there is link themes, and they are there.
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And, you know, I just, I think I've tweaked it. I know it sounds vain, you know, people know me, I'm just an enthusiast, but the science backs it up. And the more science that's being discovered at the moment, for instance, do you know that they're actually doing research at the moment to find the pixelation of space?
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I heard about that.
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Yeah, Craig, Craig Hogan at the Perimeter Institute in Canada.
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They're looking for the pixelation of space, they believe that this is a giant hologram.
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But not only is it a giant hologram, it's a two dimensional projection of a three dimensional surface.
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This again is not madness. This is, this is something that Stephen Hawking, Gerald Tooft,
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and, one, Maldacana, these are names that you may not have heard of, but these are the top thinkers or were the top thinkers in the field.
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Vlakova Drell.
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Everything is digital.
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Everything is digital information. It's on and offs.
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What we think is reality out there isn't. It's information. They've recently discovered that information has, has mass.
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So information itself is the creative force, just like you go into a third person RPG game or you go into a virtual reality headset, the virtual reality you see in there.
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I mean, I've just been playing a wonderful game based upon Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland. It's absolutely incredible. But you're there. You're there. You're there in the environment.
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When you do virtual reality with a virtual reality headset with your earphones in and everything else as well.
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How would you know that this is not a virtual reality simulation in exactly the same way. And the answer is you can't. You've no idea. You don't know.
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You can't tell you're in the simulation.
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Very important point. When people turn around and say, oh, the whole idea of this being a simulation is crazy.
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Clearly have no idea about how neurology works.
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Clearly have no idea how people call consciousness researchers and consciousness studies people.
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As I said, everything you are conceiving now is created by your brain inside your brain and presented to you.
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It's it's a facsimile of what may be or may be not be out there.
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Now, this is this is a known fact. This is not for instance, the way you're seeing now is extraordinary.
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What's happening is, is that photons of light are coming off from your computer screen.
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Tiny little point particles that have no mass, by the way, photon has zero mass and travels only a few meters.
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Travels only at the speed of light. So from the point of view of a photon, now get this.
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It's timeless. There is no time for a photon and it doesn't exist in three dimensional space because it's too small.
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It's a point particle. But trillions of these are hitting your eyes.
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Now they're going through your aqueous humor in your eye from your and they're hitting your retina at the back of your eye.
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They are then converted. The signals they are carrying because it's what they're doing.
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They're carrying signals. And by the way, they're not the same photons.
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Photons hit electrons. And when they do, the electron changes its energy state and spits takes in one photon and spits out another.
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So whenever you think that you'll say looking through a window, you're not the photons you're seeing this side of the window and not the photons that are hitting the other side.
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That's known science. Okay. So whatever the energy is, whatever the imagery is, it then hits your your your your retina.
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Your retina is postage stamp size and inverted. It has a postage image and it's inverted and it gets turned into a electrochemical signal.
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It's not the same as the photon. It gets changed.
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That then goes back underneath the pineal gland and goes to the darkest part of your brain right at the back here.
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Okay. And it is there in the visual cortex that it's reassembled again.
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The signal is then reassembled to give you an image of what is out there.
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But there's no one to one relationship between what is out there on the image that it is creating inside your brain.
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And the same goes for sound. Sound is created internally. Taste is created internally.
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It is all created internally. You know, so when people say, well, don't be silly, people do not think deep enough.
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They don't go deep enough down the rabbit hole. When you really start digging deeply, the whole thing, you see the pixelation.
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It's like looking at an old photograph on a newspaper. The closer you get, you start to see the dots.
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And then when you see the dots, because get this latest research is also suggesting that time is quantized.
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This is extraordinary. It means that every bit of time is not related to every other bits of time.
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There are gaps between the bits of time. Okay.
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Now, this means that time is not what we seem to think it is at all, because, of course, we already know that physical matter, there are gaps between them.
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Energy does not come continually. They've known that since 1900.
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So there is something really strange about what we think is real and what is not real.
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Because suddenly we've got the idea that it's all just information.
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It's all it's all it's simulation is the wrong term.
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Simulation suggests it's copied off something else. But it is something that is far deeper and far more exciting.
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And the entities are out there somewhere in part of that.
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So with the what you brought up a minute ago about this information that goes from out there and then we see it, but it has to go through multiple processes and different filters, etc.
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Gets flipped upside down and goes in the back your head. So there's no direct connection.
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I thought to myself, there have been descriptions for thousands of years of beings that can shape ship.
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And even the ancient India, they talked about the Anu Naga, which were the serpent that shape shifted into a into a man.
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And then recently I was in Utah. I was in a place called Moab, which has got talk about evidence and stone of a major catastrophe and possibly these egg gorgon beans.
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I mean, it's oh, wow. It's like heaven out there. Actually, it's more like Mars.
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But so I was out there recently and I found this old petroglyph.
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And it's called the Intestine Man. If you look it up in Moab, you just have an intestine man in Moab and it's about 40 feet up off the ground.
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And if you look at it carefully, it's one of the best petroglyphs I've ever seen as far as details go.
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I mean, it's like something out of a comic book. And it's if you look carefully, you'll see a snake inside of a man.
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And it says if the snake is shape shifting into a man, and I'm sure it has some spiritual significance.
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But the fascinating thing is the Hopi prophets talked about the the ant people and how they saved them.
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And they took them in our earth and they were the sky people.
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Ancient Babylonia, ancient Babylon talks about Anu as the sky god, the father of the Anunnaki.
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Anunnaki and Hopi means ant friends.
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So what I was wondering if what I was seeing was what the natives saw at that time, where there was actually these beans that that saved them.
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If it was some type of how do you describe it when you have that the Kundalini?
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Yeah, thank you. You don't have to talk about the Kundalini awakening or was it Anu, man? Was it one of these sky gods?
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And what they do is they mix these two together,
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and they make a brew and a tea.
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And apparently it's filthy tasting.
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But you drink it, and you have ayahuasca experiences.
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The interesting thing is that if you eat just the psychiatric viridas leaves,
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as many as you eat, you will never have a DMT experience,
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even though it has DMT in it.
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And it's for a very good reason.
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When it gets into your stomach,
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the stomach realizes that there's this substance in there.
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And it excretes something called monoamine oxidase.
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A monoamine oxidase is something that stops the hallucinogenic substance,
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the DMT, crossing from the stomach into the blood system
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and into the spinal cord and getting into the brain.
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It gets trapped in the stomach.
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So you don't have an experience.
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However, if you take it with the vine, Banisteriopsis cappi,
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Banisteriopsis cappi contains something called homiline, or homine.
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And that is known to be an MAO, monoamine oxidase, inhibitor.
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So when you take the two together and it gets into your stomach,
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the MAO comes out and immediately the MAO inhibitor that's inside the vine,
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the vine, stops it being effective,
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which then allows the DMT to then get to your brain,
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cross the blood brain barrier and put you into altered states of consciousness.
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Now, there are apparently, I've read something like 60,000,
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70,000 different plant species in the Amazon basin.
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Why did they pick these two, all of them?
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And mix them together.
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So they did the obvious.
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They asked the shamans.
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And the shamans said that many years ago, our shaman ancestors used to shamanic travel.
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And when they shamanic travel, they would go and meet entities that would normally be snakes,
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snakes and jaguars and various other things, but regularly snakes.
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And these entities would talk to them.
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And the entities said to them,
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If you want normal people to experience what you experience,
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and they took them into the jungle in the dream state and pointed out the vine
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and pointed out the leaves of the psychiatric viridas and said,
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put these two together and you will create a window and an opportunity
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for other people to open the doors of perception.
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Well, they didn't use that term, but you know, to go into the world of the shamans.
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Okay.
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Now, the chances of this is extraordinary.
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So clearly, whatever those entities were, they knew what they were doing.
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They were giving specific information that was used in this world in order to open up facilities
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whereby they can come through to our world as much as we can go through to theirs.
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Because when we're in their world, we are party to their world and we can be influenced by them.
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Now, one of the most fascinating stories was told by an Israeli psychologist called Benny Shannon.
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And Shannon wrote a wonderful book, well worth reading, called The Antipodes of the Mind.
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And he eats a book on DMT and ayahuasca.
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But he was told a story or I think Michael Harmer was told this story by an ice cream salesman in the jungle.
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But this guy was also a shaman.
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And he told the story and he said, imagine he told us from he said God had the secret of the universe.
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And he wanted to keep it a secret, but he didn't know where to hide it because he realized that mankind would evolve
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and would be intelligent enough to be able to use science to understand the mysteries of the universe.
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So God thought to himself, where shall I hide the secret?
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I'll hide it at the bottom of the ocean.
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Man will never get there. He'll never find it.
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And then God thought, no, he will invent submarines.
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He'll be able to get there. I'll place it on the moon.
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And then he thought, no, God, man will get spaceships and you'll go to the moon.
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And then he thought, I know where I'll hide it.
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I know where I will hide the secret of everything right in the center of the human brain.
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The pineal gland.
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Oh, wow. Wow.
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This is fascinating. Absolutely incredible.
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And, you know, I've got a question here in the chat from from Julian, actually.
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He wanted me to ask you, do you think that when I'm going to use code here a little bit,
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when they when they test you with that thermometer, like right at the third eye, you know, the pineal gland area,
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they test your temperature. Do you think that that has an effect on your actual pineal gland?
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Hmm. It's an interesting point.
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I don't know. I don't know effectively.
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Possibly, possibly, because, you know, there is it is in that area.
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But the thing is, it would have to go very deeply in in order to do that.
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So I think probably not. But it's it's an interesting point because the pineal gland parent can be affected by so many things.
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That who knows? You know, we do know that there seems to be an issue with calcification.
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I've never really found full evidence for that suspicion.
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But I'd argue that calcification possibly can actually make the pineal gland more effective, because, of course, calcification is crystals and crystals.
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We know a piezoelectric, which means it might facilitate it being more effective as a doorway.
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But no, it's a good point. I don't know, is my answer to that.
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OK. And it also depends on the type of crystals.
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Maybe there's certain crystals that have the opposite effect, the short circuit more, you know, depending on the you know, I just got the chills because Julian said in the chat, I'm glad you brought this up.
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He said, Rex, you got pulled off to on Salvia divinorum.
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And that's right. When I took Salvia divinorum for a shamanic experience, I did a few times, but two in particular, man, it's changed my life.
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I could really freak me out. And this one time I kept getting a shamanic experience.
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I kept so I took it. And for for about a minute, you can't do anything, dude, like you can't even move.
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You're like, oh, you know, and I was literally screaming, man.
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I was so scared. I'm like, ah, ah, ah, freaking out, screaming on the ground.
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And behind me is a Baba chakra.
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This this guy right here, this is a modern version of the Baba chakras like the will of its.
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Oh, yes. Not the color chakras. Yeah, the whale.
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Yeah, it's the will of life and all that. And it's got the different cycles and the different locations like the diva realm, the hell realm.
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And so I took it and I started to to go like it was almost like I was going on the will.
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And time seems like when you're on it, one second seems like it could be forever.
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Like time, you kind of lose track of time. It freaks you out.
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Like you think you're stuck in this pit, you're not getting out and you're there forever.
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But I I was told when I did it, I thought like I saw these guardians or I felt these guardians.
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And I even remember seeing a spirit walk into the room and I thought it was a person, but it was actually a spirit or something.
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I don't know. But anyway, there are these entities when I did it and I kept going down and like the real depths and I felt like I was going into hell.
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But then I would come back out of it and it was kind of exciting.
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It almost felt like a ride, but it felt like a will.
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And I remember these these beans and one of them I think could have even been my grandma.
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But I call them my guardians because they told me when I did it, they said, don't come back here.
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Like in this trip, they're like, don't come back here.
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And I'm like, OK, OK, I won't come back. And I was starting to come out of it.
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And then I would start to go down again. I'm like, but it's so much fun.
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Like, don't come back here. Don't come back here.
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And to make a long story short, I wasn't I thought, you know, am I going to do this again or am I not going to do it again?
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Several months later, I decided I'm going to do it again.
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And remember, GLP? Well, the Godlike Productions, I used to get on that website a lot when they had the chat.
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Like, you could just go in there and you could talk your feelings and people like, well, I think this different stuff.
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I went on chat that night before I did it.
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And there was this guy on the chat that sounded like he was mentally retarded almost.
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And I felt really bad for him. I could tell something was up and people were making fun of him and was pissing me off.
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And he made a comment about how the like out of the blue, he brought this up.
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I didn't bring it up. You know, he said that he was like that because he took Salvia DeVinora.
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And he used to be he used to make used to make six figures. Happy family, happy life, super smart.
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He did that and messed him up. So he's like, now I live with my parents.
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You know, I lost my wife. So and and that was the same night I was going to do that again after these these things told me these these beans or guardians told me not to.
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I'm getting the chills just thinking about it. And then months later, I decided to do it again.
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Go on the chat out of blue. This guy's on there that's messed up. And then I'm like, no, I'm definitely not doing this again.
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So what are your thoughts on that? Well, the clue in Devinorum, you know, Salvia is again one of the hallucinatory
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and theogenic substances, these entheogens. And of course, the technical term for these is entheogens, which means God within.
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And it's it's it's putting you in touch with a deeper part of yourself, what I would call the daemon.
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And when you do this, the daemon will communicate you in with you, whichever is the most effective way to get the message across.
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So I'd argue that will manifest itself as your grandmother, your grandfather.
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When near death experiences, it manifests itself as the being of light.
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It will manifest itself as in some cases, Elvis Presley, even in terms of near death experiences, whatever it is that will make the person feel what is
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being said has importance.
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Now, with Devinorum, it's fascinating.
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The most fascinating substance I'm being told at the moment is five MEO DMT.
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And five MEO is a completely different experience to normal DMT.
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And I know about half a dozen people at least.
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And there's Dr. Martin. I can't think of his name now. He lives in Oregon.
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He wrote a fascinating book on it.
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Martin Ball, Dr. Martin Ball.
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And what it does is it's unlike DMT, which takes you to alternate states of reality and you meet entities with five MEO DMT.
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You become the universe. You you were tuning to the collective unconscious of the universe or humanity or whatever.
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Now, one of the developing points I'm making, I contributed a chapter, a guy called Kunji Mapsun wrote a book a few years or facilitated a book called
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.000
Pandeism and Anthology.
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And I'm really coming to the conclusion that we are as as Bill Hicks said, one single consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
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And there are levels of awareness as you go through and the entheogens facilitate that moving into the greater consciousness.
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There are levels of consciousness and we get broader and broader, the higher we go in terms of until we get to Brahman, whatever we want to call it.
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And, you know, as Bill Hicks said, you know that we are one consciousness experiencing self subjectively.
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It is something that Philip K Dick talk about various other writers have talked about.
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And of course, this is the central I would say the central secret of a lot of esoteric traditions.
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You know, they turn around and say even Christianity says it.
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Look for look for Jesus within look for God within look for the Buddha within what you're looking for is yourself.
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But it's not yourself. It's your higher self.
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And I would argue that we I call ourselves either loans.
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You and I are either loans.
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I would say that 90% of the people listening to this program are either loans.
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We are the ones we are the sprites within the computer game.
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We get born and we die.
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:09.000
The game is switched on the big bang.
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If you want the game is switched on and we awaken.
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We are born.
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We then live within it.
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And at the end of our lives, we die and we're switched off.
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But our game player, who's the guy the other side of the screen, the guy outside of linear time, the guy that's in orthogonal time, the real you and the real me is your game player.
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And I call that the daemon and the daemon is the game player and the daemon is the being that is that nag.
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It's your guardian angel.
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It's the person that makes you have pretty cognitive experiences.
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It's the thing that warns you.
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It's the thing that makes you recognize things when you have deja vu experiences.
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It's guiding you through.
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Now, people have said to me, well, if the daemon knows it's lived your life again, why does it allow you to make mistakes?
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And it does it for a very good reason, because it knows that that mistake may seem a mistake now.
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But in five or ten years time, it's positioning you to get you into a position you need to be in order to fulfill one of the avenues of what Jorge Borges called the garden of the forking paths.
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Jorge Borges was a Gnostic Argentinian writer.
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And he argued, you know, we're in a garden of the forking paths.
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Every outcome of every decision you can make is already programmed out there.
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I've discussed this in my books and my new book.
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I mean, going there to even greater detail again.
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This is not me talking about it.
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It's quantum physics.
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We know that this is the case.
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You either take the root of the many worlds interpretation of whoever at the third, or you take the implicates and explicit orders, or you take a Stephen Hawking's top down hypothesis, or you take John Kramer's interactional analysis.
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But they're all saying the same thing.
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They're all saying that what we think is time is not time in the same way.
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And everything is out there in potentiality.
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We create we collapse the wave function of this particular reality.
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I'm collapsing my wave function.
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You're collapsing yours.
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And we're overlapping at the moment.
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But our wave functions then go off in different directions.
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So inside the program is the outcome of every possible decision you can make and every other possible person's decision.
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So, for example, you could have been born in Uruguay.
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So, Rex, say your parents could have decided to have emigrated to Uruguay.
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And you could have been brought up in Uruguay.
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You could have been brought up in a universe where all these things are possible.
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In fact, in one universe or other, you'll have been born in every country on the planet.
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You'll have also been born in different years and different lives.
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And it's incredible.
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And it goes back through time.
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So all your parents and your grandparents all make decisions, which get your parents in places.
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And I argue that this is a huge swathe of information, all of which melds together to mean that every outcome of every decision you can make comes true in one universe or another.
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And your daemon literally is playing the game of your life, knowing that all these outcomes are out there.
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And all it will know is the games it's played in the past.
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It might have played your life game 10 times, 20 times.
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But there will be a point where it knows you died last time and it will try and avoid that.
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And it will help you avoid that.
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And when it does that, it then is in a position.
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It's now playing a new part of the game that it's never played before.
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So it can't guide you.
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And this is why when you get older, you get less deja vus.
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It's a known fact that as you get older, less and less deja vu experiences.
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Children get them all the time.
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I always enjoy talking with you. I always do. You bring out the best in me.
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Well, thank you. I always enjoy speaking with you. You bring out the best in me, too.
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And folks, was this awesome or what?
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So thank you, everybody, for being here with us.
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Hit the bell. Be well. And be the change you want to see.
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Thanks, Anthony. Thanks, Rex. Thanks again. Bye bye.