1 00:00:05,339 --> 00:00:11,539 I'm very excited about our program this week. This is something very different for me 2 00:00:11,539 --> 00:00:18,739 As you all know, a lot of times I'll just do a solo show, go up there, or when I do hav... 3 00:00:18,739 --> 00:00:27,300 It's usually more straightforward, UFO, UAP conversation, but I like to stretch things... 4 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:49,219 And my guest today, Anthony Peek, is absolutely one of these people. 5 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:10,980 He's acclaimed author, I think of something like 11 or a dozen books. He's a researche... 6 00:01:26,859 --> 00:01:35,620 He has attended the London School of Economics. He has been focusing his whole 7 00:01:45,480 --> 00:02:01,480 He knows a lot about Aldous Huxley and he's talked about opening the doors of percepti... 8 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:22,699 Thank you, Richard. What an introduction. I just hope that I can actually fulfill the 9 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:47,680 You were great, by the way. I attended that. I was very interested in your ideas and we 10 00:03:02,460 --> 00:03:12,360 So I'm really, I'm glad and grateful to have you here. So with all of that out of the w... 11 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,520 And how about we just start from there? 12 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:34,599 Okay, well, I suppose been saying, what am I into? I suppose the argument is literally 13 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:58,319 But I will go as deep as I possibly can into the subject and as broadly as I possibly c... 14 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:15,199 The only way you can do that is to actually understand how they and why they come to 15 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:23,360 And it's a it's a it's a veritable rabbit hole because you end up following. I say I 16 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:38,759 And I sometimes believe that I'm guided by whatever that is to follow certain routes. 17 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:47,120 And sometimes I will be given little clothes that I need to follow down certain pathway... 18 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:06,240 And I'm delighted that, funnily enough, the person who wrote the forward for that book... 19 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:15,439 And Pascal is one of the leading up and coming researchers into alien encounters 20 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:32,319 And the areas that I've found from there, you know, alone has been so so useful. 21 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:39,000 So near death experiences, the similarities between near death experiences and alien 22 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,959 The similarities between near death experiences and out of the body experiences. 23 00:05:52,319 --> 00:06:05,240 I can just jump in. I get I get a very strong sense of really what we're getting into at 24 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:13,560 So there's there's a fundamental concept of reality that people some people will have, 25 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:28,759 And then there's, of course, a whole other school of thought. 26 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:37,160 I've gone back and forth here between these ideas. My whole life, Anthony, this is the 27 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,160 There, you know, there's relationship to space time. 28 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,360 What is this reality within which we find ourselves? 29 00:06:53,360 --> 00:07:03,839 And this is, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, fundamentally where you are finding 30 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:32,500 And and I know that this is important in the whole broader context of of what interests 31 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,620 We're talking about a fundamental conception of reality that you you have. 32 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:59,560 Well, I think that I think just even using the grammar I just used, I think, you know... 33 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:09,660 What is the concept of continuity in terms of our own lives and our own perceptions? 34 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:19,100 And indeed, the huge question, I think it was in nineteen ninety five, a young Australia... 35 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:28,579 They have the University of Arizona. They have an annual event on consciousness and ... 36 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:46,159 We've got that fairly well, but about, but the major question is not that the questio... 37 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:55,080 which effectively, as I said in my last book, which is when it comes down to its electro... 38 00:08:59,899 --> 00:09:08,500 There is something here that magical, magical happens, you know, that suddenly 39 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:17,100 Now, they would argue or the materials reductionists argue that are now the 40 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:21,620 They argue that literally we are fooling ourselves into thinking we're even conscious. 41 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:35,200 That is an extraordinary thing to believe because in order to be fooled, you were of 42 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,200 When they do a magical trick, they, they, it's an illusion. 43 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:48,799 They create that the person's being tricked, but the person has to be consciously aware... 44 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:56,779 That's a really good way to look at it. 45 00:09:56,779 --> 00:10:05,480 And although Daniel Dennett, you know, who's, who died recently, he wrote a fantastic bo... 46 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:11,559 which he doesn't explain at all. He has all these kind of plates of hand to, to argue it. 47 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,740 But the thing is that consciousness is something that seems to be everywhere. 48 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:31,559 The people that will be listening to this and watching this interview and this discussio... 49 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:40,000 And I argue that when consciousness is get together in a collective form where they 50 00:10:49,899 --> 00:10:54,059 And I call that particular concept the editorial. 51 00:10:54,059 --> 00:11:01,620 And I called it that because it seems that the collective consciousness is greater th... 52 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:05,519 And I'll give an example of this of just how curious this can be way back. 53 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:20,759 Which they called, which they called Richard Ailsford. 54 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:26,860 What happened was they were quite fascinated by Ouija boards and they were quite 55 00:11:26,860 --> 00:11:30,340 You are unconsciously moving the glass supposedly, right? 56 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:35,159 But once you get sentient messages, how is it that the messages seem to work? 57 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:43,679 So what they did was they literally created a fictional character called Richard Ailsford. 58 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:53,360 They argued that Richard Ailsford was a British noble, English noble living in the 59 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,639 He was a Roman Catholic, therefore he was outside of society. 60 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,019 Oh, this is a fictitious creation of this. 61 00:12:07,019 --> 00:12:09,419 It was completely fictitious. This never happened. 62 00:12:09,419 --> 00:12:14,379 The only thing that was correct was the location of the castle, otherwise it was 63 00:12:14,379 --> 00:12:17,220 But the entity started manifesting itself. 64 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:20,480 They started actually making contact with Richard Ailsford. 65 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:26,039 And Richard Ailsford started manifesting really strange things like table turning. 66 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:34,679 you will actually see an interview they did up on TV in Toronto, live television. 67 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,200 And there's table turning. The table is moving around the studio. 68 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,519 Now, the argument is, what were they creating here? 69 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:46,039 And I'd argue what they're creating is something known as a tulpa. 70 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:54,320 Tulpas are thought forms that are very much part of the Buddhist bond tradition of Tibet. 71 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,639 You can manipulate reality and bring them into reality. 72 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:04,399 Bring them in, but also it sounds like create them. 73 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:06,980 And create them. All they all create them. 74 00:13:06,980 --> 00:13:13,480 Or, and this is the interesting thing, all they use your anticipation of them to come 75 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,759 In other words, it's almost like bootstraps. One thing is creating the other. 76 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:22,080 And this is because I argue that consciousness is prime. 77 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,000 is actually consciously created a bios collectively. 78 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,480 And the quantum mechanics of this is powerful. 79 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,279 There's something called a twin slit experiment, which I won't have time to go 80 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:44,279 but I will be going into great detail when I do my research. 81 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,280 I'm going to have time to go into detail in, but I will be going into great detail when... 82 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Physics 101 on Thursday, on the Thursday before the break, before Contact in the 83 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:57,960 they've known since effectively since 1925 that there's a direct relationship between 84 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:12,120 come into existence at the act of observation, before they are observed or 85 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,560 exist as a statistical function, a mathematical function, the function of 86 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:21,560 particle will be in a particular location or another. But until they are measured, the 87 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,320 literally it's called collapsing the wave function, into a point particle in a 88 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:40,120 Now, the mystery here is, is that these subatomic particles, such as quarks and 89 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:46,200 photons, these are the building blocks of physical reality. Without these objects, 90 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Now, again, for instance, I argue, and I say to people, when you think there's physical 91 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,440 out there, and you think there's a one-to-one relationship between what is out there and 92 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:13,720 you perceive, the term used by our consciousness studies people is naive 93 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,480 believes there's a one-to-one relationship between what you see and what is really ou... 94 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,040 What you think is external reality is a model that is created by the visual cortex, 95 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:35,240 right in the darkest part of the brain, from information that has been given to it by the 96 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:41,080 optic nerve, by the retina, and everything else. And it creates from that information 97 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:55,800 information of photons hitting the back of the eye, the retina. And the retina create... 98 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:02,840 which is postage stamp sized and inverted. And the visual cortex in the darkest part ... 99 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,519 takes that data and information, and from an inverted image that's postage stamped and 100 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:23,000 you. I'm sorry, let me ask you. This is fascinating. You explain this really well,... 101 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:33,720 But if we're creating this reality from our own connections, cognition, somehow how ou... 102 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:49,800 don't we still have to correspond with an external reality well enough or will die? 103 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:55,400 we live in an environment. And so whatever it is we're creating, doesn't it have to 104 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:03,000 conform to a great extent with a larger, can I say, physical reality? Or am I wrong here? 105 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:13,320 because we interface with it and we react to it and we need it. We need the air to 106 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:19,320 these kind of things. But the fact that we think, for instance, I use the argument th... 107 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:26,039 I have a term I use, which I call electromagnetic chauvinism. And by this, I 108 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:41,240 Now, the way we see color is literally because photons of light and photons 109 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:47,480 mystery, because photons have zero mass. So they have no extension in space, 110 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:53,720 and can only ever travel at the speed of light. Think about that for a second. At t... 111 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:06,920 Now, on top of that, these little tiny things sometimes are a wave and sometimes are a 112 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,800 And it depends on whether they are observed, whether they're a wave or particle or not. 113 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,880 So this is when we start getting, it's really weird. And then I say, right, okay, so red is 114 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:22,279 literally when we see red, it's because a certain vibration restraints of the 115 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:34,120 Yeah, but there's no red out there. Now, we then say, okay, well, what are we perceiving? 116 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:40,440 Well, let's use an analogy here. The electromagnetic spectrum, effectively, whi... 117 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:46,360 visible light is the part we can see, runs from gamma radio waves to gamma rays. 118 00:18:53,640 --> 00:19:00,200 that long line, imagine it's the Mississippi River. And the Mississippi River starts in a 119 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,720 small lake in Minnesota and travels down the center of the states down to the Gulf of 120 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:15,640 If the equivalent size of that, what we think is the visual world with all its color and 121 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:27,079 And that's it. And that's it. So we believe that that is everything that there is. 122 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:34,440 Now, we know, for instance, from there was a very famous academic article written many 123 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,800 called what it's like to be a bat. And, you know, you have to think, well, the bat see... 124 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:45,480 out sound and builds up a picture of the external world from how sound bounces back. 125 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:57,559 The bats don't bats would argue that our world view is far more is just as real. 126 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:01,880 So it's how we understand reality is out there. Now, on top of that, 127 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:07,160 there is more and more research being done at the moment, suggesting that the external 128 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,000 reality we perceive out there, whatever it may be, where it's made up of quarks, 129 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:22,440 reacting in electromagnetic fields with photons. And there is that's all there is ... 130 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,160 And we quarks are so nobody's ever seen a quark. They are incredibly tiny. 131 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:34,680 So clearly, there is something really strange going on here. Now, it seems from the 132 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,480 that's been going on in recent years, is that everything effectively is data. Everything is 133 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,759 your laptop processes data to create the three dimensional world when you put on a 134 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:55,720 reality headset. There is no difference. Now, I then argue to people and people say, well, 135 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,800 you know, reality is consistent and reality is out there. Well, I'll guarantee that if... 136 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:08,279 three if I put a VR headset on your head, and then you had tactile feedback from your 137 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:18,120 previous memories clear of the fact that you are living in this reality. That simulated 138 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:22,680 would be just as real. And indeed, we go into a brain created simulated reality every night 139 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:29,880 when we dream. Now, that reality is just as real. It's just a tangent. It's just as 140 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:36,599 just as perceptive. And the only reason that we believe that is hallucination is purely 141 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:48,039 that in out of body experiences have had shared experiences. Sure. And you hear peo... 142 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:52,360 about their ayahuasca experiences, which by the way, I've never done hallucinogens. Bu... 143 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:58,920 something that you study. And I am aware that there's an entire array of conversations 144 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:05,000 people in those communities, the DMT community about these shared visions. 145 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,800 major researchers in this area, together with one or two other people that I've done 146 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:21,000 with in the past. And some of the research they're doing at the moment at Imperial 147 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,840 and also the research that's being done at the University of Sussex, quite close to 148 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,000 live here, they're finding out some extraordinary things. In fact, what they'r... 149 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:39,240 people to fMRI scans and everything else to find out what was happening in the brain w... 150 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,880 starts hallucinating using psilocybin. And what they were expecting to discover was t... 151 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,960 the brain link more, you know, the different areas of the brain would light up and link. 152 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:54,840 psilocybin does the opposite. It switches the brain off. It stops the brain being 153 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:09,160 argument that the brain is an attenuator. The brain is there to take information out, 154 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:16,840 not put information in. And it takes it out from out there somehow. Yeah, in other wor... 155 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,800 again, you know, I'd leap from subject to subject, here's some of my apologies. But 156 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,360 Autism is when somebody, I have a term with my book, Opening the Doors of Perception, ... 157 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:38,039 something I call the Huxley and Spectrum. And the Huxley and Spectrum is effectively tha... 158 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:45,880 all human beings, we all have perceptual fields where our senses tell us things. 159 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,400 But some people have broader perceptual fields, like people when they acquire auti... 160 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:05,800 things, what they do is they stop the brain's ability to stop the signals coming in. 161 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,640 for instance, we know from autism, autism. Forgive me, to stop what signals from comi... 162 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:19,880 sure I'm following. The overall signal field that is available to us is far, far greate... 163 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:32,280 ways. There are perceptual fields that we just cannot see or hear, but it doesn't me... 164 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:38,039 not there. And what happens is that with individuals, for instance, with them, 165 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:44,119 with Alzheimer's, what takes place is that the neurons of the brain are effectively 166 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,880 stops the neurons being effective. But I argue that by doing that, they literally s... 167 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:02,119 neurons abilities to attenuate the reality that's coming in. So when somebody like my 168 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:08,519 she started experiencing the most phenomenal things. I have friends of mine who have 169 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,680 their brain and how their brain are constructing things, they're seeing things... 170 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,960 these things aren't real. It's just we can't see them. When you say attenuate, could 171 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:30,759 be filter? That's what it sounds like. They're filtering out. The word attenuate,... 172 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:45,400 arguing this 120 years ago. But the idea is that really that's Berkson. I don't think ... 173 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:51,079 about Henry Berkson, but that was his concept. Oh, totally. His work was absolut... 174 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:56,680 He was so far around Berkson. You know, I have to check that out. So this is very 175 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:08,360 thought, this is fascinating, is that these things that we are inclined to call 176 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:15,640 whether it's schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, autism, that essentially it sounds like wh... 177 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:34,360 but which now can break through more than ordinarily. That is absolutely it. 178 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:39,079 Now, for instance, last year, so contacting the desert, one of the people that came to 179 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:54,119 His art is just extraordinary. And he has temporal lobe epilepsy. And he has had 180 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,519 lobe epilepsy or perceived temporal lobe epilepsy since he was about six years of age. 181 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:05,880 And all his art is influenced by his TLA. And he has the most extraordinary experiences. 182 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:19,320 which I would argue is his daemon, which is his spirit guard, which is called Karol. 183 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,759 I want to come back to the idea of a daemon, but we'll put a pen in that to keep going. 184 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,680 So he's, he's, you know, he's told me, you know, that he perceives the world in 185 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,440 different ways. And I know people, I'm a classic migrator, and I know when I'm in a... 186 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,280 I have a migraine, I see the world differently. I see colors differently. I s... 187 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:54,680 be as far as I'm concerned. So what is taking place here? And is it that depending on ho... 188 00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:01,160 are attuned to the reality around us is how our reality is molded? So in which case, w... 189 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,160 reality really made of? And the, the arguments going forward is it is literally 190 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,920 It is, I mean, for instance, there's been research done now at the Perimeter Institute 191 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:24,840 in Ontario. There's a guy called Craig Hogan and his team. They're looking for the 192 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:34,360 Oh, that's right. The pixelation of space. Because we know that space is not continual. 193 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Like the, you break reality into these, these tiny but somewhat indivisible bits at the 194 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:53,240 level. Is this what you mean by? Yeah, because the term "quanta" is Latin for, fo... 195 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Yeah, okay. And effectively, when in 1901, Max Planck stood up and made his famous 196 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:12,360 is not continual. Energy comes in tiny packets, which explains a lot of the probl... 197 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:18,759 with black body radiation, other things they had in the 1890s. And they solved that. Bu... 198 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:25,800 they suddenly realized that physical reality is not continual. It's, it doesn't flow. 199 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:37,640 many years ago, he said, well, why shouldn't, why isn't time quantized as well? So if ti... 200 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,600 quantized, that means there's one moment here and one moment there. So what is between, ... 201 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,920 when you pointed, I wrote a book called The Labyrinth of Time a few years ago, and I'll 202 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,600 be doing a talk on time. So the idea is that it is the act of observation that actually 203 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,120 you know, frame by frame by frame. It's what the great David Bohm, Professor David Bohm, 204 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,880 quantum quantum physicist argued, it's called a hollow movement. And again, all these 205 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,200 I'm quoting, David Bohm was considered to be, I mean, David Bohm worked with Einstein. 206 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:22,920 And he was trying to understand why certain quantum physics effects happen. And he 207 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,360 standard model of quantum mechanics, it doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't, 208 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,080 there are two types of science at the moment. There's effectively quantum mechanics, whi... 209 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:46,120 certain calculations that use and certain formulae. Then you have cosmology, the ver... 210 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,720 plug in the formulae for cosmology, you get infinities, it doesn't work. So seemingly, 211 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,800 as Einstein said, at a deeper level of reality, it all comes together, but we're ... 212 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,000 So what we're doing, we're almost like seeing the tips of icebergs. And we're calculatin... 213 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,160 because that works for the very small, that works for the very large. And what Bohm said, 214 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:26,039 order is where quantum mechanics and cosmology come together. So Einstein's wor... 215 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:31,400 work, and it comes together. But it all comes down to data. It all comes down to 216 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,080 It all comes down to information processing. And it's only these days now that we are now, 217 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,480 because we are aware of the power. And with AI, this is going to make it even more 218 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,240 because we're going to be able to model the most amazing things. Now, pause that thoug... 219 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:04,360 second, that we could model virtual realities, and we could model a planet or ... 220 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:10,519 out of the information we have. Could they have already done that? And this is what 221 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:25,160 simulation in Lee Smolin. Various other people have come up with this idea. And it 222 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,320 sense. And of course, if we can discover if Smolin, if Craig Hogan and his associates 223 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,120 can find the pixelation of space, we're on our way. We're suddenly finding, yeah. 224 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:48,280 Like, it's a very... I don't know if it's properly falsifiable, but that doesn't mea... 225 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:54,600 There's a lot of logic to it. I have to concede as well. I say concede because I 226 00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:03,640 believe in sim theory. I don't want to have this... I don't like the idea that we are 227 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,120 philosopher stating that we are thoughts in the mind of God? Exactly. How is it any 228 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,200 that, really, when you get down to it? Exactly. In my new book, I have a whole 229 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,880 You know, the idea in Vedanta, for instance, the Indian philosophy, argues that we're all 230 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:32,200 effectively in the dream of Brahman. Yeah. And of course, the argument is that I'm al... 231 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:44,200 Julian Jeans, who was a big... I'm sorry to interrupt you, Anthony. Pandeism. So, 232 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,280 God is everywhere. Is that essential? Everything is God. God is an information 233 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:56,120 Yeah, yeah. Okay. And we are emanations of that information field. And again, the lat... 234 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:02,120 that's been done in the holographic argument seems to suggest that there are levels of 235 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,119 I can never prove this, but I have the concept of the Edalon, which is a singular 236 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:19,480 that exists for one life and then dies. Then we have a daemon, which is the consciousne... 237 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:25,320 that, which lives multiple lives and uses that information to feed into the day in t... 238 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,720 how the Edalon behaves within this environment. It's like your game player. 239 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,760 can make is already programmed into the game. Yes. So, you live your life for the first 240 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,200 and then you get to the end of that life and you die, just like an on-screen sprite whe... 241 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:54,200 a computer game. It lives just once. And then, like, for instance, Lara Croft, stop 242 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,480 Lara Croft pops up. It's an Edalon on screen. The game player takes Lara Croft down into... 243 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,200 one life and has information he didn't have before or she didn't have before, which sh... 244 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,599 manipulate the new Lara Croft to not go into that room. Now, I argue this is what happe... 245 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:20,840 because I'm sure you have had that experience, and I know so many other peopl... 246 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,880 experience. You meet somebody. I know this person. I know they're going to be importa... 247 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:36,519 gives you information. And I also argue that the communication field between the daemon 248 00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:42,680 Edalon depends on how far along the hooks the inspectorum you are, how open your doors of 249 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,519 perception are. So, for instance, my friend Myron Dial who has temporal epilepsy, his 250 00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:52,760 imminent in his life because the communication channels, his doors of 251 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:07,559 this is what Socrates talked about, that was his inspiration and that he was guided by 252 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:15,880 Would you say that the daemon is, maybe this is what I thought that I understood from you, 253 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:22,680 the daemon is essentially us, but from a different time. Is it a timeless version 254 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,720 Now, I then argue that, and I cannot prove this, whereas the daemon Edalon stuff, I d... 255 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:42,360 of this, I do information from split brain operations, for example. So, there is 256 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,720 evidence of this. I mean, you were talking earlier on about the way in which 257 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:52,760 developed and paleoanthropology. Before we began recording, and I wouldn't mind comin... 258 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:06,360 mind. Yes, vaguely. Jaynes argues that there is the voice in your head that I argue is, 259 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:13,159 the daemon. But I argue that what may be above that, there may be something greater 260 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:22,360 daemon behind the daemon. And I call that the uber daemon. And the uber daemon is my 261 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:34,760 And I argue this is why, for instance, when people have hypnotic regression and go back 262 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,800 to other lives and previous lives, they're not going back to a previous life they hav... 263 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:46,600 they are attuning into a huge field of information that contains all of everythin... 264 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,159 you go in and suddenly you're attuning, you're being a 14th century French peasant... 265 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,960 hypnotists who do hypnotic regressions. And they are convinced that my argument is 266 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,840 They believe you attune into. And of course, this is the Akashic field. Yeah, yeah. 267 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,519 Akashic record. Exactly. But I'm not using the Akashic field in its terminology that ... 268 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:17,960 think people like Blavatsky. I'm using the Akashic field in the way it's used by peop... 269 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,480 Laszlo is being nominated for the Nobel Prize Prize and he's an interesting, very 270 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,360 And it was fascinating because Laszlo approached me about 10 years ago to say 271 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,840 person on the planet I want to write this book with, which I thought, wow, wonderful... 272 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:43,320 Because Laszlo and I get each other, I get his model. And Laszlo again is arguing tha... 273 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:54,519 It's the zero point field. And the zero point field is an information field that contains 274 00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:00,600 everything. So when you're living your period of lives, when your Edelon lives a single 275 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,680 all that information is being drawn from the zero point field. And the zero point field is 276 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:21,559 say I'm very intrigued by everything you're saying here. And I'd like to, if I may try to 277 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:28,600 repackage this in a sense, I feel that this direction you've gone, I mean, I can imagine 278 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:36,280 within the fields of like neurology and brain science. This is a very obviously highly 279 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:46,519 high level neurologists who would probably want to disagree with a lot of the things 280 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:52,360 have said and argue. They have tried in the past. Absolutely. So, but here's the thing. 281 00:39:52,360 --> 00:40:00,600 Well, the reason that I side with you over them, even though I'm certainly not 282 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,519 that I think they are not looking at. And the problem that, as I see it, that you're 283 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:20,280 is the fact that our reality, particularly when you get into things like space and ti... 284 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,760 causality, that there are things about our reality that cannot be explained in the 285 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,400 at a much lower level of sophistication than you, but I've seen this as well. 286 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,800 Just a few months ago, when you graciously participated in an event hosted by my wife, 287 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:53,960 Tracy, an online event, one of our guests was Russell Targ, famed remote viewing scientist, 288 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,519 all of them talked. 289 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:21,599 And I don't want to derail our conversation here, but I will just say this concept ble... 290 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:46,599 But the other side of that, as I learned from these individuals of retro causality, whic... 291 00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:07,599 I don't have a problem going into these areas now that you are going into, because I thi... 292 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,599 I want to, I don't want to just keep citing it happened to me. 293 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:46,599 Okay, because for instance, if there's any, any, any people out there thinking this gu... 294 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:13,599 Okay, we know from the work done by Dean Raiding, which I when he was working, I th... 295 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:50,599 And there's a guy called John Kramer, Professor John Kramer, who years ago came ... 296 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:09,599 What they found is that waves can be going forwards in time, which I think are advanc... 297 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:19,599 And this is how it happens. Retarded waves are going, I can never remember which one ... 298 00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:35,599 If there are waves coming backwards in time, and there are waves coming forward in time 299 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:42,599 This is what happens when you put waves together, you get what's called an 300 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:58,599 I also argue with together with Philip K Dick the idea that orthogonal time, there is a 301 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:02,599 And again, this is all to do with physics. 302 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:20,599 But an even better explanation for recognition is even simpler. You know, I v... 303 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:30,599 One of the most well known psychic phenomenon that people have that science still cannot 304 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:49,599 He explained when you see things and the way they may repeat because information crossi... 305 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:54,599 But there was a guy called Akira O'Connor at the University of Leeds in 2017, I think i... 306 00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:12,599 That can't be explained using the visual pathways argument of Efron. So suddenly it... 307 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:18,599 You're seeing the future. You've been this place before and you have lived this momen... 308 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:46,599 He's up in Seattle, and he wrote a fascinating book on deja vu a few years ag... 309 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:59,599 So the argument is that you are remembering something that has happened in your past 310 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:06,599 And that's where my cheating the ferryman argument comes in, because I argue that we 311 00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:12,599 And we are living in a simulation of our lives where we follow every track that we ... 312 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:23,599 And you make decisions every time or your daemon makes you make a decision every time. 313 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:28,599 Couldn't it be that they're actually all being played out simultaneously in some 314 00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,599 He became an aeronautical engineer and he had this incredibly vivid dream. 315 00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:08,599 And in the dream he was living on a French speaking Caribbean island and the locals c... 316 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,599 The volcano has gone up and people have been killed. 317 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:22,599 He wakes up the next morning with 4,000 people in his mind and a volcano and a Fre... 318 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:30,599 He waits for a few days and the newspapers come down from London and he picks up the 319 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,599 The whole main city of Sompierre was wiped out. 320 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:49,599 There was something called the Nui Andonte which is a kind of glowing cloud of poison... 321 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:51,599 Didn't kill everybody. One guy survived. 322 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:55,599 There was a prisoner who was on death row who was in a cell below ground level. 323 00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,599 When did this happen? When was this? 324 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,599 1903. 325 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:17,599 Now, but this is important as a caveat to this because Don was convinced about 4,000 326 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,599 And he said, and he said, yeah, you got it all right, but you got the number wrong. 327 00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,599 40,000 people were killed, not 4,000. 328 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:37,599 And he thought, well, so he went back to the original newspaper and he'd misread it. 329 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,599 And he suddenly realized something profoundly important. 330 00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:55,599 But his dream was being created by him remembering reading his own personal 331 00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:00,599 And suddenly he said, which means that we all have our own serial times. 332 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:09,599 And he argued that, and it's so clever, his argument, his argument is, how do we know 333 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,599 So you have something that is static that the river flow. 334 00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:25,599 But if you took the riverbanks away and it was only just the river, you wouldn't know 335 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:32,599 And he argues that's the same as time because time is the only thing we measure by itself. 336 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:38,599 So we can never, how do we know a minute has passed, a minute has passed what? 337 00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,599 So then he argues, this is because there's more than one type of time. 338 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,599 There are serial times, and each time is measured by the other time. 339 00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:54,599 So in other words, time two measures time one. 340 00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:59,599 So normal time is measured against time two, and time two is measured against time three. 341 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,599 But he then argued something fascinating, he said, not only that, but there is a versio... 342 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,599 And that person can feed information down to you. 343 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,599 He said the analogy is like a man on a train. 344 00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:21,599 You know, if you're in the compartment looking out the window, you just see the 345 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:30,599 But if somebody's on the roof of the train and can see in the front and the railway 346 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:34,599 And he argues that there are levels of us in different times. 347 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,599 And the inhabitants of time one is the Edelon. 348 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,599 The Edelon again is the greater Damon, right? 349 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:52,599 The Edelon is the. 350 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:54,599 The Edelon is the person. 351 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:56,599 Oversold perhaps something like that. 352 00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:57,599 The opposite, the opposite. 353 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,599 The Edelon is your game is lives one life. 354 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:03,599 It only lives one life and it dies. 355 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:06,599 I work in Avatar. 356 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:07,599 Yeah. 357 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:08,599 Okay. 358 00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:09,599 Edelon. 359 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:10,599 We are all Edelons. 360 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:12,599 We all perceive the world as Edelons. 361 00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:18,599 But some of us, people have temporal epilepsy, people have various other 362 00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:27,599 They perceive the world slightly differently because they can achieve a tune into the 363 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:46,599 Now, a Damon then can attune into the knowledge fields of the Uber Damon, which ... 364 00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:50,599 And then I then ended up by saying, and then something called the Godamon. 365 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,599 And the Godamon is the orane soft. 366 00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:54,599 It's Brahman. 367 00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:55,599 It's the. 368 00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:56,599 It's everything. 369 00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:03,599 It's everything. 370 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:04,599 This. 371 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,599 I'm fascinated. 372 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,599 I'm fascinated by this. 373 00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,599 Yeah. 374 00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:18,599 What you're, it seems to me what your work is doing is your. 375 00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:23,599 I think you're constructing. 376 00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:43,599 You're seeing an organization of reality that has explanatory power over some of these 377 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,599 That's what it seems to me that you're, you're really all about. 378 00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,599 I would argue that my hypothesis and explain every single extraordinary experience that 379 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:58,599 My brain broke a few times in process of you explaining, but I think I'm hanging in the... 380 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,599 And I have to just say, I think it is absolutely fascinating and we can keep going. 381 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:08,599 I mean, normally I try to do these for roughly an hour, but depending on how much 382 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:18,599 I'm quite interested in a few of these areas that you're going before we do close up here. 383 00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:33,599 I know that's not your, your number 1 area of research, but I know you've talked about i... 384 00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:37,599 And I'm because a lot of my audience is interested in that. 385 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:42,599 And I thought it might be interesting to hear what you have to say your perspective abou... 386 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:52,760 Okay, well, a little bit of history in that my initial interest in everything to do wi... 387 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:18,000 And I was also interested in ghosts and things like that, but I was interested in ... 388 00:55:51,320 --> 00:56:03,080 And I believe that in some way, the, the, the aliens we encounter are exactly the same 389 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:49,080 You know, literally. And of course, you can then extrapolate from that to shamanism an... 390 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:44,960 He's gone for five days and all of that saga. And he has a memory. Now, to me, that stri... 391 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:12,800 But it doesn't mean that it is necessarily a social construct in the idea of a fiction. 392 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840 They're slightly ahead of what we understand the world. 393 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:40,200 I'm actually not a believer in the airship mystery. This makes me a bit of an outlier 394 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:56,240 Yeah, I mean, I mean, for instance, I always found it quite strange. They have the hot 395 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:25,280 I'm a sociologist for training, and particularly the sociology of belief. So i... 396 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:38,000 I'm with you on that. There's, there is a definite, the whole psychosocial school of 397 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:48,520 Like, there's a lot of power to that. And it is, I certainly wouldn't argue against it ... 398 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:05,920 That's the same, you know, and I'd be fascinating. I'm really looking forward to 399 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:14,520 He's fascinating. Travis, I've known him for many years, and he's and Whitley as well, ... 400 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:36,160 And it sounds a little bit like along those lines, but let me just give you the 401 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:43,880 Yeah, no, very much. I'm a huge admirer of Kenneth ring. I say, yeah, I think, I thin... 402 01:01:53,280 --> 01:02:03,360 But as time has gone by, I've really come to understand and appreciate what he's had to 403 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:27,560 I mean, he was a French Sufi thinker. And again, the argument, you know, that there ... 404 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:45,840 But it, but Corbin was being quite precise here. He called it Mundus imaginalis, not ... 405 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:55,240 It's more imaginary as in the concept, mathematically of imaginary numbers. You 406 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:13,480 But of course, nobody knows what hallucinations are. Again, if anybody, you 407 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:19,600 And of course, that terminology means nothing. Hallucination, by definition, is 408 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:36,480 So you've got to be very, very careful here, because nobody knows, I mean, for instance... 409 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:48,720 And in this, he had a whole section on, we don't know how the brain projects into the 410 01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:02,120 So when we say we're having an hallucination of say, a UFO in the sky, that's been 411 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:10,440 It's been created by something, which means it's just as real because it's using your 412 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,840 And it imposes that on the external world. Sure. Sure. 413 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:30,280 I did an event in South End here in the UK three weekends ago, and there was a lady 414 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,120 And she said, so can you see those things? And there were objects flying in a line. 415 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:40,440 And then they started moving around. And then she said, I bet you think they are lights 416 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,440 And you can see them moving and then they move behind the clouds. 417 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,240 So they were things that were physically being filmed. 418 01:04:52,240 --> 01:05:02,440 But she said the terrifying thing was she was standing there with her friend and her fri... 419 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:10,039 which means how much are we co-creating this reality that other people can't see things? 420 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,360 One person can see this thing very clearly. The other person does not. 421 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:27,440 And it's, it's weird. It's been recorded many times. 422 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,160 So there's something more here than meets the eye. 423 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:37,240 And I think, you know, again, I keep using the idea of like waves on the sea, you know, 424 01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,240 In fact, there's this sea underneath where all the information is there. 425 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:48,320 And I genuinely believe that people like you and I and other people in this field will ... 426 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,840 We'll click all the pieces, the jigsaw puzzle will fit and we'll go, how can we not see it? 427 01:05:53,840 --> 01:06:02,280 And then I feel, I feel like you've gone a long, long way toward conceptualizing 428 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,520 I mean, some of these ideas that you're you're throwing out there, but I think tha... 429 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,400 And it seems to me that it's, it's making a lot of sense. 430 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:26,240 Thank you. I'm really, I'm just, to me, what's exciting is like we're on this jour... 431 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,920 I mean, fundamentally, to me, that's, that's really what you're asking. 432 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,000 What is, what is this? 433 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:53,200 And I just appreciate the fact that you're, you're trying to explore these very 434 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,800 I do, I've felt, I know we're going to wrap this up here. 435 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:14,160 But as the further I go down this little road of life, the more I tend to feel that ther... 436 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,079 And it doesn't mean that I don't believe in free will. 437 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:41,520 And I do think that there's this grand, like that's all been done. It's all done. 438 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:47,680 We're living through a process that in a sense, it's already been done. 439 01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,480 I mean, I would just very quickly say my overall life philosophy is I need to 440 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,640 I do this because I want to understand what's going on. 441 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,800 And if other people are reading my books and share my enthusiasm, that's great. 442 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,280 But it's me, Anthony Peake and my search. 443 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,119 Totally. 444 01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:18,119 It's like, what is more interesting for someone 445 01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:21,560 who actually cares than to ask questions like this? 446 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,300 Like, there's really nothing more fun. 447 01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:24,439 There's nothing more interesting. 448 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,279 There's nothing more engaging to some of us, I think, 449 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:29,680 than to ask questions like this. 450 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,800 And you've really gone so far down this road. 451 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,039 I will definitely have links for people 452 01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:38,640 to check out your web page, which is Anthonypeak.com. 453 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,600 And I know you're very active on Facebook. 454 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,560 Are there any other ways that you have been a people 455 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,319 on YouTube? 456 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,039 Yeah, Instagram, and I also have my own YouTube channel, 457 01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:51,960 which is slightly in abeyance at the moment. 458 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,359 But you just search on YouTube, Anthonypeak. 459 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,640 I've interviewed a lot of very, very interesting people. 460 01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,199 There's around about 120, 130 interviews on there. 461 01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:01,640 Oh, indeed. 462 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:06,159 Really big search that are really 463 01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:08,520 pushing the envelope in various ways. 464 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,960 I am convinced that your work is of great interest 465 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:20,079 and a very important part of the overall conversation 466 01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:22,640 of what our reality is. 467 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,199 There's so many more things I know 468 01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:25,600 that we can talk about, Anthony. 469 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,960 I will just mention to folks that you, me, Tracy, 470 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,680 and a lot of other people will be at contact in the desert 471 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,680 in about a week and a half from now. 472 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,600 And that's actually not why we're doing this. 473 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,800 wanted to have you on this program for quite some time. 474 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,439 But we both-- we all will be at contact in the desert. 475 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,359 So anyone watching this, if you get yourself out there 476 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,920 at the very end of May and early June, go find Anthony. 477 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:53,880 Go find myself. 478 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,880 And Tracy will all be there. 479 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,560 Anthony, I know you'll be delivering-- 480 01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,359 you said four lectures? 481 01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:00,319 Four. 482 01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:04,640 I'm doing Physics 101 on the Thursday. 483 01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:09,920 Good grief. 484 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,600 I'm doing three, and I thought I was overworked. 485 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,279 Plus the panels. 486 01:10:13,279 --> 01:10:14,279 A bunch of panels. 487 01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:15,720 Yeah. 488 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:16,720 Yeah. 489 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,119 But so be it. 490 01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:20,560 I thoroughly enjoyed last year, and I 491 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,920 think it's going to be even better this year, 492 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,720 because we all know each other that bit better. 493 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,680 It's going to be great. 494 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,159 Absolutely. 495 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:27,479 Well, I don't know if there's anything else 496 01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,920 that you want to have in terms of final words. 497 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,359 All I can say is that for anybody 498 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,680 my anything I say for granted. 499 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,000 My overall philosophy is extraordinary claims 500 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,000 need extraordinary proofs, and that's what I work on. 501 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,239 So therefore, all my books, every single thing I say, 502 01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:49,720 is referenced back to academic papers. 503 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,760 Read the academic papers yourself. 504 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,560 Come to your own conclusions. 505 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,960 If I'm wrong, tell me. 506 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,640 Let me know. 507 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,199 And I will adapt and change, because ultimately, 508 01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:01,239 truth is truth, and that's what's important to me. 509 01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:02,760 Nothing else. 510 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,800 It's been a real pleasure, Antony. 511 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,319 I've really just enjoyed it. 512 01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:10,800 I believe that viewers of this channel 513 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,760 will also feel the same way. 514 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:13,800 I have a very strong feeling. 515 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,319 And perhaps we can do this again if you're free in the future. 516 01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:18,079 Absolutely. 517 01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,079 I think it'd be very happy to. 518 01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:21,880 Well, I want to thank everyone who's 519 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,960 been on this journey with Antony Peake and myself. 520 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,720 If you like this video, please hit the like button. 521 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,239 Select notifications so you don't miss future editions 522 01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,800 Subscribe to my channel. 523 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:34,680 It doesn't cost anything. 524 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,359 It does definitely help me out. 525 01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:39,359 And if you genuinely support what I do, 526 01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:41,520 go to my website, richidolomemembers.com, 527 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,600 or I have a lot of material there. 528 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,800 Some of it's for members. 529 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,000 Some of it's just wide open to the public. 530 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,239 Do feel free to check it out. 531 01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:49,800 I'm very active there. 532 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,479 Antony Peake, it's been a genuine pleasure. 533 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,800 And thank you again. 534 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,640 And to all the folks here, thank you for being here with us. 535 01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:06,479 Let's all keep fighting the good fight later.