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The philosophy of science, like any
philosophy, is about the assumptions

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of viewing reality.

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Within the academic world today, the
assumption is that consciousness, we don't

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what it is, but it's probably something
produced by the brain, in which case it's

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limited to your ordinary senses.

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and all the rest not possible.

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But since we know that it is possible, that
means that some elements of our world view

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today, based on materialism, are simply
wrong.

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And so the reason why I wrote the book
"Supernormal" and then wrote the book "Rea...

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to look at other world views that have been
around for tens of thousands of years, we

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And within the esoteric world views, all of
these phenomena we're talking about now

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are easy to understand, because that's the
way the world is.

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So I think what's happening is science as a
method is really powerful.

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And it's slowly moving in the direction of
saying, "Oh, well, okay, the world is not

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the way that Newton was describing.

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But over the course from the 20th, over that
hundred year period, our understanding of

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what material meant radically changed, as did
our understanding of space and time and

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all of these very fundamental things, they're
totally different than they were a hundred

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years ago.

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And more importantly, they're different in
the direction that make them more and more

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compatible with the experiences that we're
talking about.

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And if you keep going on that arrow, I think
we'll eventually begin to converge more and

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more with some elements of the esoteric
traditions.

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And the way we're going to do that, I would
predict then is that there's something about

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consciousness, which is way more important
than we had previously thought.

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It is not part of physics today, but I think
in the future it will be.

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you alluded to in, and I'm not sure which
book it was, with the evidence that we have

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for paranormal abilities and comparing it to,
I believe, smoking.

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Am I remembering this correctly?

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Or for the dangers of smoking, am I citing
that correctly?

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Something along the lines of the evidence or
the amount of knowledge that we now have

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based on what you've found, the studies that
have been run, we have so much more evidence

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how bad smoking is for us.

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You might be referring to a comparison of the
effect sizes in the experiments that we

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do now as compared to the effect size of
aspirin.

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So with aspirin, we know that if you take an
aspirin, it will help prevent the second

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heart attack.

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The effect is real.

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It's really small.

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It's a tiny little effect.

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So it won't help everybody, but on average,
over a long term, yeah, it does something.

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So by comparison, then one of my books I
mentioned that the effect size for what we

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the laboratory in terms of telepathy is way
bigger than what we accept with aspirin, even

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Well, now we do, but it took 100 years after
people were using aspirin to figure out why

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does this thing actually work?

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Well, it's similar then to we don't exactly
know why any of these psychic phenomena work,

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but we can demonstrate that they do work.